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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey thereon welcome Back, You have found The Book of

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Speaker 1: Joe Podcast with Me, Tom Berducci, and of course Joe

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Speaker 1: Medden and Joe.

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Speaker 2: We have a lot to talk about right now.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about injuries, like freak injuries because

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Speaker 1: Colton Brewer the Cubs got me thinking about this. He

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Speaker 1: broke his non pitching hand in frustration punching a dugout wall.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get into that. We're going to get

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Speaker 1: into one of the coolest cars ever made, and I

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Speaker 1: think both Joe and I have personal connections to the model.

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Speaker 1: But Joe, we have to start with the All Star Game.

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Speaker 1: It's coming up All Star Week next week, and I

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Speaker 1: would love to get on this podcast a guest who

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Speaker 1: has actually managed both the American League and the National

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Speaker 1: League in the All Star Game. They've only been ten

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Speaker 1: guys in the history of baseball who've managed both the

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Speaker 1: American League and National League team in the All Star Game.

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Speaker 2: Joe, you know anybody who can get on with that

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Speaker 3: That would be very interesting. I think if we could

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Speaker 3: actually nail that one down. The fact that two different

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Speaker 3: leagues at that time, separately different set of rules. I think, yeah,

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Speaker 3: both games counted or did the second game not count

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Speaker 3: regarding did not right, the second one did not count

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Speaker 3: regarding World Series home court advantage, that kind of stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think that'd be a great idea.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, if you know anybody from Hailton, PA with

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Speaker 1: that kind of experience, especially, that would be Hey, wait

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Speaker 1: a second. Of course we're talking about Jovin Street. He

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Speaker 1: has done it along with Sparky Anderson. I mean this

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Speaker 1: is these are luminaries, folks, Sparky Anderson, Dusty Baker, Yogi Bera,

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Speaker 1: Bruce Bochi's going to do it this year and join you,

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Speaker 1: Alvin Dark, Tony LaRussa, Jim Leland, Joe McCarthy, and Dick Williams. Well,

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Speaker 1: of course, you earn that honor by winning the Pennance,

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Speaker 1: and Joe is one of only ten to do it

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Speaker 1: in both leagues. And Joe, listen, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: your first one was like, but the players and managers

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Speaker 1: I've talked to have gone to the All Star Game

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Speaker 1: for the first time talk about that moment when they

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Speaker 1: walk into the clubhouse where it kind of hits you

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Speaker 1: that just the stars of stars that you're sharing this

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Speaker 1: something about the physical nature of getting all those stars

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Speaker 1: I've heard the same story from a lot of guys

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Speaker 3: That's very prescient, It's true, first All Star game. I

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Speaker 3: don't remember the exact order of things, but I do

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Speaker 3: remember having to be the lead guy as President Obama

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Speaker 3: then he filters through the entire clubhouse and walks out

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Speaker 3: the other door. So you know, you take the lead obviously,

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Speaker 3: I had to point. I mean, there was not a

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Speaker 3: replacement players. I remember choosing Sehn Figgins a little controversial

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Speaker 3: had been with them before. And sometimes, you know, the

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Speaker 3: spoils do go to the victors. Guys that you've had

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Speaker 3: And I felt that way, and I let them know

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Speaker 3: And so, yeah, it was all of that a little

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Speaker 3: I was, you know, watching all of that, just trying

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Speaker 3: And I did. That's it. And of course we won

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Speaker 1: That's great advice, especially in any kind of big moment

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Speaker 2: Was that game? Do you think different? Without anything on

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely? And just to backtrack a second, that game

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Speaker 3: Brother, I I'm telling you, man, and it's like this.

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Speaker 1: good to hear these players and not just learn about them,

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Speaker 2: Like you, Joe, I grew up watching those events, and

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Speaker 2: and that was cool. But it's a long time ago.

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Speaker 2: I get it. My question for you, Joe now is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you, but I have to say this, Joe.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it is still by far the best of

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Speaker 1: I mean, I understand nobody's taking four or five at

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Speaker 3: that moment. There's it's the pitchers go out there, they

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Speaker 1: The last couple of thoughts quick thoughts on the All

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Speaker 1: And as you mentioned, typically the things happen where they

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Speaker 2: Paul Skeens was named a National League All Star.

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Speaker 1: He has ten starts, and you've got a guy like

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Speaker 1: Again, this is the celebration of the sport and the

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Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy six, Mark Fidrich had eleven starts and

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Speaker 3: It's a different level. Like you said, he's a draw.

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Speaker 3: It's what the fans want to see. Urban has pitched well.

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Speaker 3: a little bit funky, and I would be somewhat concerned futuristically,

434
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Speaker 3: but to this point, I mean that stuff. Gosh, that

435
00:20:03,198 --> 00:20:05,238
Speaker 3: splitter was whatever the heck he wants to call it,

436
00:20:05,638 --> 00:20:07,718
Speaker 3: coming off his fastball, and his command is so good

437
00:20:07,758 --> 00:20:10,958
Speaker 3: and his arm is so busy behind him, and that's

438
00:20:10,998 --> 00:20:13,278
Speaker 3: what I'm talking about. So there's a lot going on

439
00:20:13,318 --> 00:20:15,918
Speaker 3: there with him. Yes, I think he deserves it. I

440
00:20:15,998 --> 00:20:19,078
Speaker 3: don't think it's just a fluffy thing putting him out

441
00:20:19,078 --> 00:20:22,238
Speaker 3: there for whatever different reason. He's that good. From what

442
00:20:22,278 --> 00:20:23,838
Speaker 3: I'm saying, he is that good. And again, these other

443
00:20:23,878 --> 00:20:25,558
Speaker 3: guys are going to get opportunities. People are going to

444
00:20:25,638 --> 00:20:28,038
Speaker 3: back up. The pirates are probably going to pitch Skeins

445
00:20:28,078 --> 00:20:30,758
Speaker 3: on a Saturday or Sunday so he can't pitch in

446
00:20:30,758 --> 00:20:33,478
Speaker 3: the All Star Game. I would absolutely believe that possibly

447
00:20:33,518 --> 00:20:35,678
Speaker 3: to be true. So all there's a lot of manipulation

448
00:20:35,798 --> 00:20:37,718
Speaker 3: is left to be done, and they'll be done. So

449
00:20:38,478 --> 00:20:40,678
Speaker 3: but your question was, is he deserved to be there?

450
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Speaker 2: And I say yes, I agreed with you one hundred percent.

451
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Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break here on the

452
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Speaker 1: Book of Joe podcast and we get back when good

453
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Speaker 1: pitchers and players do dumb things, weird injuries.

454
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Speaker 2: We'll talk about that right after this, Joe.

455
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Speaker 1: A lot of people might not know this, but in

456
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Speaker 1: a lot of ballparks, behind the dugout you might find

457
00:21:14,078 --> 00:21:17,158
Speaker 1: something like a punching bag for players.

458
00:21:16,718 --> 00:21:18,598
Speaker 2: To get out there frustration.

459
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Speaker 1: And I've seen it over the years where usually there's

460
00:21:22,798 --> 00:21:26,318
Speaker 1: also a toilet that's behind the dugout. And back in

461
00:21:26,358 --> 00:21:28,638
Speaker 1: the day they were made of porcelain, like most toilets,

462
00:21:28,758 --> 00:21:31,838
Speaker 1: until so many of them got smashed to pieces. Now

463
00:21:31,838 --> 00:21:34,878
Speaker 1: they're mostly stainless steel. But it brings up the story

464
00:21:34,878 --> 00:21:37,998
Speaker 1: of Colton Brewer a picture for the Cubs who punched

465
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Speaker 1: the dugout wall. Now, who's smart enough to use his

466
00:21:40,638 --> 00:21:42,958
Speaker 1: non throwing hand, his left hand. But still, you know

467
00:21:42,958 --> 00:21:44,518
Speaker 1: you're gonna be out for six to eight weeks. You

468
00:21:44,758 --> 00:21:47,278
Speaker 1: can't catch a ball, you can't field your position, You're

469
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Speaker 1: of no use. There's been a lot of weird injuries, Joe,

470
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Speaker 1: over the years. You know, things like Marty Cordova, the Twins.

471
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Speaker 1: Back in two thousand and two, we went into a

472
00:21:56,438 --> 00:21:59,918
Speaker 1: tanning bed and fell asleep.

473
00:21:59,718 --> 00:22:01,798
Speaker 2: He literally burned.

474
00:22:01,478 --> 00:22:03,958
Speaker 1: His face, and the doctor's orders were you got to

475
00:22:03,998 --> 00:22:05,758
Speaker 1: stay out of the sun now for a while. That's

476
00:22:05,798 --> 00:22:08,678
Speaker 1: pretty tough to do for a ballplayer, right, So he

477
00:22:08,758 --> 00:22:13,038
Speaker 1: went on the il I'm wondering if you've had players

478
00:22:13,078 --> 00:22:15,758
Speaker 1: who've done things like this, whether out of frustration or

479
00:22:15,878 --> 00:22:17,798
Speaker 1: just sheered bad luck.

480
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, this generation is there's nothing creative about

481
00:22:22,318 --> 00:22:24,838
Speaker 3: all this. I believe it was Johnny Orton, great catcher,

482
00:22:24,958 --> 00:22:27,918
Speaker 3: Jos still working, I think in the White Sox organization.

483
00:22:28,038 --> 00:22:30,918
Speaker 3: I love Johnny O. Johnny O's one but the best

484
00:22:30,998 --> 00:22:33,198
Speaker 3: receivers I've ever been around. I believe it was him

485
00:22:33,238 --> 00:22:36,238
Speaker 3: that after punch out, he took his might of him

486
00:22:36,478 --> 00:22:39,438
Speaker 3: him or Dante hit took his helmet and put his

487
00:22:39,518 --> 00:22:41,998
Speaker 3: helmet on his hand and then lunched the dugout wall,

488
00:22:42,278 --> 00:22:45,318
Speaker 3: thinking that the helmet would absorb the blow. But it didn't.

489
00:22:45,478 --> 00:22:48,598
Speaker 3: It did not. It's the break still occurs. So that happened.

490
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Speaker 3: I think it was j or Bisheer. Could have been

491
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Speaker 3: both of them. Then a picture in Double A in

492
00:22:53,638 --> 00:22:56,998
Speaker 3: the Texas leagu Rafael Piemantel great arm, great arm after

493
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Speaker 3: a game in Opasso. And for those of you that

494
00:22:59,558 --> 00:23:01,318
Speaker 3: may be listening that have been to El Paso, the

495
00:23:01,398 --> 00:23:05,478
Speaker 3: Dudley Dome God would have highlight court dis guise as

496
00:23:05,478 --> 00:23:07,718
Speaker 3: a baseball field or vice versa. We got beaten a

497
00:23:07,718 --> 00:23:11,078
Speaker 3: pretty big game. He went in there and appsolutely destroyed

498
00:23:11,078 --> 00:23:13,918
Speaker 3: a toilet with a bat. Oh my god. And that's

499
00:23:13,958 --> 00:23:15,478
Speaker 3: the thing is, these guys got to you know, He's

500
00:23:15,518 --> 00:23:18,158
Speaker 3: got to pay for stuff like that eventually. So yes,

501
00:23:18,238 --> 00:23:21,518
Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of guys do things under circumstances

502
00:23:21,518 --> 00:23:25,198
Speaker 3: where they get upset, punching walls or punching inside of

503
00:23:25,238 --> 00:23:28,758
Speaker 3: batting helmets into walls and beating up on toilets. It's

504
00:23:28,878 --> 00:23:32,558
Speaker 3: nothing unusual. Water coolers take the brunt of a lot

505
00:23:32,558 --> 00:23:34,358
Speaker 3: of this stuff. Paul O'Neill was very good at that,

506
00:23:34,598 --> 00:23:37,238
Speaker 3: all kinds of stuff. But yeah, that's in the punching bag.

507
00:23:37,558 --> 00:23:39,918
Speaker 3: We had it in Anaheim. This goes back to the

508
00:23:40,158 --> 00:23:43,878
Speaker 3: earlier days. Jimmy Abbott kind of dug on that, and

509
00:23:43,958 --> 00:23:47,038
Speaker 3: so did my man, Timmy Belcher Belch one of the

510
00:23:47,078 --> 00:23:51,558
Speaker 3: best baseball teammates and history of the game. Love Tim Belcher. Man.

511
00:23:51,678 --> 00:23:53,718
Speaker 3: All these guys needed some kind of an outlet at

512
00:23:53,718 --> 00:23:57,838
Speaker 3: different moments. So we was brought up. We need a big,

513
00:23:57,878 --> 00:24:01,798
Speaker 3: heavy bag. Heavy bag was hanging in the steps down

514
00:24:01,838 --> 00:24:06,598
Speaker 3: below the dugout in Anaheim for that purpose, which I'm

515
00:24:06,638 --> 00:24:09,638
Speaker 3: okay with. I mean, that's good because these guys get upset, man,

516
00:24:09,758 --> 00:24:11,518
Speaker 3: and they need some kind of a release. So you

517
00:24:11,558 --> 00:24:13,798
Speaker 3: want to make it as safe as possible. You'd like

518
00:24:13,878 --> 00:24:16,758
Speaker 3: to think that you wouldn't, but gosh, I mean, these

519
00:24:16,798 --> 00:24:20,198
Speaker 3: guys are really competitive. They care a lot about what

520
00:24:20,238 --> 00:24:23,958
Speaker 3: they do, and so sometimes this outlet is necessary. So

521
00:24:24,038 --> 00:24:26,878
Speaker 3: whatever we can do to make it a safer like

522
00:24:26,918 --> 00:24:29,958
Speaker 3: a safe room of sorts. But I'm here to tell you, man,

523
00:24:30,198 --> 00:24:37,038
Speaker 3: it gets loud and it's scary sometimes because guys get upset.

524
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Speaker 1: And they can get hurt, even when celebrating. It's not

525
00:24:39,318 --> 00:24:40,358
Speaker 1: just being frustrated.

526
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

527
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Speaker 1: Chris Coglan was a guy you had with the Cubs

528
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Speaker 1: when he was with the Marlins. You know, back in

529
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Speaker 1: the day. You probably remember this when pieing one of

530
00:24:49,878 --> 00:24:51,838
Speaker 1: the players was a thing. You know, you say out

531
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Speaker 1: the shaving cream pie and you smashed it in the

532
00:24:53,678 --> 00:24:56,518
Speaker 1: dude's face. Well, Wes Helms and the Marlins had a

533
00:24:56,558 --> 00:24:58,518
Speaker 1: walk off hit and it was Chris Coglin who was

534
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Speaker 1: in charge of the pie that night. So he comes

535
00:25:00,358 --> 00:25:02,198
Speaker 1: out to smash him in the face for the pie

536
00:25:02,958 --> 00:25:04,998
Speaker 1: and he did it with so much much enthusiasm he

537
00:25:05,038 --> 00:25:06,158
Speaker 1: tore his meniscus.

538
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Speaker 3: I didn't know that one.

539
00:25:08,518 --> 00:25:11,758
Speaker 1: Yeah, a great story of maybe not a great but

540
00:25:11,918 --> 00:25:17,238
Speaker 1: Lance McCullers was injured during an Astro's celebration when somebody

541
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Speaker 1: popped the cork of a champagne bottle and it went

542
00:25:20,078 --> 00:25:21,078
Speaker 1: right into his elbow.

543
00:25:21,678 --> 00:25:24,278
Speaker 3: I remember hearing about that. I do remember hearing about that.

544
00:25:24,558 --> 00:25:27,998
Speaker 1: And then remember Devin Williams with the Brewers they won

545
00:25:28,038 --> 00:25:30,798
Speaker 1: the NL Central, the usual you know, party going on

546
00:25:30,918 --> 00:25:34,838
Speaker 1: in the clubhouse, spraying champagne and maybe drinking a little

547
00:25:34,838 --> 00:25:37,478
Speaker 1: bit too much of it. Later that day he admitted

548
00:25:37,518 --> 00:25:40,718
Speaker 1: he drank too much. I got frustrated over something, punched

549
00:25:40,718 --> 00:25:43,398
Speaker 1: the wall and was unavailable for the next series.

550
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Speaker 2: In the postseason, be careful celebrating.

551
00:25:46,358 --> 00:25:49,558
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kendrey Morales, right, he jumped on home plate, home running.

552
00:25:49,678 --> 00:25:52,958
Speaker 2: Kendrew Morales broke his leg jumping on home plate.

553
00:25:53,118 --> 00:25:55,438
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I was gonna say it reminds me a great

554
00:25:55,478 --> 00:25:59,598
Speaker 1: story with Derek Jeter. You remember, of course, watching probably

555
00:25:59,718 --> 00:26:02,558
Speaker 1: the mister November home run, the walk off home run

556
00:26:02,878 --> 00:26:07,438
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, right right on November one, Jeter jumps

557
00:26:07,478 --> 00:26:10,158
Speaker 1: on home plate, walk off at Yankee Stadium, and this

558
00:26:10,198 --> 00:26:12,118
Speaker 1: is in two thousand and one in the World Series.

559
00:26:12,238 --> 00:26:14,078
Speaker 1: And then I remember watching him go out to his

560
00:26:14,198 --> 00:26:17,078
Speaker 1: position for the Game seven in the last inning, and

561
00:26:17,158 --> 00:26:19,958
Speaker 1: he's hobbling around and Jeter had fallen into the stands

562
00:26:20,038 --> 00:26:22,918
Speaker 1: chasing the fly ball against Oakland early in that postseason,

563
00:26:23,038 --> 00:26:24,958
Speaker 1: and I could tell he looked compromise. And there was

564
00:26:24,998 --> 00:26:28,158
Speaker 1: a wild throw by Mariette Rivera he couldn't catch, just

565
00:26:28,198 --> 00:26:30,398
Speaker 1: couldn't stretch too far enough for it. So I thought

566
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Speaker 1: he had hurt his hip or something falling in the stands.

567
00:26:33,918 --> 00:26:36,758
Speaker 1: I remember asking Derek, and Derek was always he'd always

568
00:26:36,758 --> 00:26:38,758
Speaker 1: give you the same answer. If there was something that

569
00:26:38,918 --> 00:26:41,198
Speaker 1: looked wrong with him, he would say, was I out

570
00:26:41,238 --> 00:26:41,758
Speaker 1: there playing?

571
00:26:41,838 --> 00:26:42,678
Speaker 2: That means I'm fine.

572
00:26:43,158 --> 00:26:48,078
Speaker 1: He would never concede any sort of physical compromise anyway.

573
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Speaker 2: I asked him so many times.

574
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Speaker 1: Over over the years about that play in Game seven

575
00:26:52,238 --> 00:26:54,838
Speaker 1: of the World Series. Turns out, when he did his

576
00:26:54,958 --> 00:26:58,078
Speaker 1: documentary just a couple of years ago, he actually admitted

577
00:26:58,278 --> 00:27:00,838
Speaker 1: he pulled the Kendre Morales when he jumped on a

578
00:27:00,838 --> 00:27:03,438
Speaker 1: home plate when he hit that famous Mister November home

579
00:27:03,518 --> 00:27:04,718
Speaker 1: run World Series.

580
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Speaker 2: He actually hurt his foot.

581
00:27:06,318 --> 00:27:09,078
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if something was broken there, but he

582
00:27:09,398 --> 00:27:12,118
Speaker 1: finally admitted and this is like two decades later that

583
00:27:12,198 --> 00:27:13,238
Speaker 1: he hurt his foot.

584
00:27:13,158 --> 00:27:15,358
Speaker 2: Jumping on home plate on that famous home run.

585
00:27:15,958 --> 00:27:18,238
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that became a thing, and you know,

586
00:27:18,278 --> 00:27:21,238
Speaker 3: front offices really wanted you to come down on that,

587
00:27:21,318 --> 00:27:26,558
Speaker 3: really discourage that. All this celebration. It's just a freak moment.

588
00:27:26,558 --> 00:27:29,678
Speaker 3: You brought it up. It's a freak moment. We're always

589
00:27:29,678 --> 00:27:32,518
Speaker 3: trying to guard against any kind of accident, and that's

590
00:27:32,518 --> 00:27:36,838
Speaker 3: what an accident is. Even sometimes the most innocuous moment

591
00:27:37,278 --> 00:27:40,118
Speaker 3: can turn out to be something Kendrick jumping up on

592
00:27:40,158 --> 00:27:42,558
Speaker 3: Hope plate and of course what Derek did. It's hard

593
00:27:42,598 --> 00:27:46,518
Speaker 3: to protect against everything. The punching a wall is different.

594
00:27:46,678 --> 00:27:49,278
Speaker 3: I think you don't really want to include that in

595
00:27:49,318 --> 00:27:53,158
Speaker 3: your routine regarding when things aren't going well. But it

596
00:27:53,558 --> 00:27:57,998
Speaker 3: is fluke. It does happen, happens to everyone, and it's unfortunate.

597
00:27:58,078 --> 00:28:01,638
Speaker 3: But yes, cut down on the really dumb things like

598
00:28:01,798 --> 00:28:05,238
Speaker 3: hitting walls, but other things are just gosh, it's just

599
00:28:06,118 --> 00:28:08,758
Speaker 3: the world's rotating. At that moment, you land wrong and

600
00:28:08,798 --> 00:28:10,798
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, it's because you jumped up a

601
00:28:10,798 --> 00:28:13,198
Speaker 3: little bit what you do all the time. Home Plates

602
00:28:13,198 --> 00:28:15,158
Speaker 3: could be tricky though. Home plates could be slippery. You

603
00:28:15,158 --> 00:28:17,838
Speaker 3: could get your spike and get caught. There's all that stuff.

604
00:28:17,878 --> 00:28:20,758
Speaker 3: So we had meetings to try to discourage that, and

605
00:28:20,878 --> 00:28:22,758
Speaker 3: for the most part, I think they've gotten away from that.

606
00:28:22,798 --> 00:28:25,398
Speaker 3: They kind of walk across home plate as opposed to

607
00:28:25,518 --> 00:28:26,198
Speaker 3: jumping on it.

608
00:28:26,598 --> 00:28:28,638
Speaker 2: I love the idea of meeting is to be careful

609
00:28:28,638 --> 00:28:29,438
Speaker 2: around home plate.

610
00:28:30,118 --> 00:28:31,958
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it was like, honestly, God, it's like,

611
00:28:31,998 --> 00:28:33,678
Speaker 3: come on, guys, I get it. You know, I want

612
00:28:33,718 --> 00:28:36,238
Speaker 3: you to celebrate. I'm all about celebration, as you know.

613
00:28:36,358 --> 00:28:40,318
Speaker 3: And so it's one of those things that I just

614
00:28:40,398 --> 00:28:42,838
Speaker 3: try to be smart about it. It's just like your kids.

615
00:28:42,878 --> 00:28:45,078
Speaker 3: I mean, you got to watch your kids all the time,

616
00:28:45,118 --> 00:28:47,478
Speaker 3: and the biggest thing about raising any kid is to

617
00:28:47,558 --> 00:28:49,838
Speaker 3: keep them from hurting themselves. That's the main objective as

618
00:28:49,878 --> 00:28:50,278
Speaker 3: a parent.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Joe, I got one we can all relate to,

620
00:28:52,638 --> 00:28:55,278
Speaker 1: at least those of us old enough to remember DVDs.

621
00:28:55,918 --> 00:29:00,158
Speaker 1: Remember how DVDs were packaged in a shrink wrap and

622
00:29:00,198 --> 00:29:04,038
Speaker 1: they were like impossible to get off. Remember that he

623
00:29:04,078 --> 00:29:07,558
Speaker 1: actually started inventing a tool to open the darn thing.

624
00:29:07,798 --> 00:29:11,518
Speaker 1: It was the most incredible invention ever by man, the

625
00:29:11,558 --> 00:29:15,198
Speaker 1: way they shrunk wrap DVD's, so it was like impossible

626
00:29:15,238 --> 00:29:17,518
Speaker 1: to get those darn things open. So there was a

627
00:29:17,518 --> 00:29:20,118
Speaker 1: picture named Adam Eaton who was going through the same thing,

628
00:29:20,158 --> 00:29:22,558
Speaker 1: got himself a new DVD, can't wait to bust it

629
00:29:22,598 --> 00:29:26,238
Speaker 1: out and play it on this DVD player. Can't get

630
00:29:26,238 --> 00:29:28,958
Speaker 1: the darn thing open, so he grabs a knife to

631
00:29:29,078 --> 00:29:33,038
Speaker 1: open it. You know what happens next, stabs himself, stitches

632
00:29:33,518 --> 00:29:34,118
Speaker 1: can't make.

633
00:29:33,998 --> 00:29:34,758
Speaker 2: His next start.

634
00:29:35,118 --> 00:29:36,958
Speaker 1: We can all relate to that, those of us old

635
00:29:37,038 --> 00:29:38,238
Speaker 1: enough to remember DVDs.

636
00:29:38,398 --> 00:29:40,958
Speaker 3: Did you ever see the episode of Curb when Larry

637
00:29:41,038 --> 00:29:45,958
Speaker 3: David goes nuts on a something wrapped in packaging hard plastic?

638
00:29:46,318 --> 00:29:48,078
Speaker 3: He does He takes a knife out on the kitchen

639
00:29:48,118 --> 00:29:50,638
Speaker 3: counter and starts stabbing at this thing to open it.

640
00:29:50,638 --> 00:29:53,758
Speaker 3: It's hysterical only because we've all done that, and that's

641
00:29:54,038 --> 00:29:56,958
Speaker 3: we've all done that. So the DVD rap a little

642
00:29:56,998 --> 00:30:00,358
Speaker 3: bit somewhat easier to get into than that. But check

643
00:30:00,398 --> 00:30:02,878
Speaker 3: out the Curb Your Enthusiasm episode where Larry used to

644
00:30:02,878 --> 00:30:06,558
Speaker 3: start stabbing this plastic container that they wrap around like

645
00:30:06,638 --> 00:30:10,358
Speaker 3: tools and things. That is absolutely impossible to open, and

646
00:30:10,438 --> 00:30:12,638
Speaker 3: you're just encouraging somebody to get hurt.

647
00:30:12,798 --> 00:30:14,318
Speaker 2: A couple more quick ones for you.

648
00:30:14,398 --> 00:30:17,318
Speaker 1: Wade Bogs Hall of Famer ones through his back out

649
00:30:17,718 --> 00:30:23,758
Speaker 1: putting on his cowboy boots. Famous one was in nineteen ninety.

650
00:30:23,798 --> 00:30:26,798
Speaker 1: I'm sure you probably heard about Glenn Allen Hill had

651
00:30:26,838 --> 00:30:30,238
Speaker 1: a nightmare. Now he had arachnophobia, fear of spiders. So

652
00:30:30,238 --> 00:30:35,598
Speaker 1: he has a nightmare about spiders. So he starts sleepwalking

653
00:30:36,158 --> 00:30:40,278
Speaker 1: out of fear with his dream about spiders, runs into

654
00:30:40,318 --> 00:30:44,798
Speaker 1: a glass table in his house, shatters the table and

655
00:30:44,838 --> 00:30:47,038
Speaker 1: now he's crawling on hands and knees to get away

656
00:30:47,078 --> 00:30:49,558
Speaker 1: from the spiders, and there's glass shards all over the place,

657
00:30:49,598 --> 00:30:51,998
Speaker 1: and he winds up cutting up his knees and elbows

658
00:30:52,558 --> 00:30:55,918
Speaker 1: and can't play iraq nophobia nightmare.

659
00:30:56,398 --> 00:30:59,798
Speaker 3: That's extreme. I know, Glenn Allen he was listen. That's

660
00:30:59,838 --> 00:31:02,638
Speaker 3: one of the strongest humans ever to play the game

661
00:31:02,678 --> 00:31:06,118
Speaker 3: with baseball. Great guys. There's a video of him hitting

662
00:31:06,118 --> 00:31:08,598
Speaker 3: that home un across the street on the roof. Oh yeah,

663
00:31:08,798 --> 00:31:10,998
Speaker 3: in Chicago. Oh my god. It's like the moment it's hit,

664
00:31:11,118 --> 00:31:12,638
Speaker 3: you know it's going to be the part of the stormer.

665
00:31:12,758 --> 00:31:15,918
Speaker 3: You've ever seen in your life. But that is unfortunate.

666
00:31:16,358 --> 00:31:19,198
Speaker 3: It's funny but not funny. But that's it. I mean,

667
00:31:19,438 --> 00:31:23,918
Speaker 3: different things happen. We all have our different hang ups, foibles,

668
00:31:23,958 --> 00:31:26,158
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call them. But we try to

669
00:31:26,198 --> 00:31:28,838
Speaker 3: protect as much as we can, but it's absolutely impossible

670
00:31:29,238 --> 00:31:30,278
Speaker 3: to protect completely.

671
00:31:30,798 --> 00:31:33,318
Speaker 2: How about Vince Coleman. This is a sad one too.

672
00:31:34,518 --> 00:31:36,718
Speaker 1: He turned out to be okay, but I mean listening

673
00:31:36,878 --> 00:31:39,798
Speaker 1: got he got run over by an automated tarp. Right,

674
00:31:40,118 --> 00:31:43,318
Speaker 1: First of all, an automated tarp? Really do we really

675
00:31:43,358 --> 00:31:46,398
Speaker 1: need that? But starts raining at the old Bush Stadium

676
00:31:46,478 --> 00:31:49,838
Speaker 1: turf field. Here comes the tarp. Coleman's out there doing

677
00:31:49,838 --> 00:31:52,398
Speaker 1: some pregame stretching, gets a run over and wrenches his

678
00:31:52,478 --> 00:31:54,158
Speaker 1: knee and can't play in the playoffs.

679
00:31:54,798 --> 00:31:59,318
Speaker 3: I remember that guy was His whole game was about speed.

680
00:32:00,518 --> 00:32:04,558
Speaker 3: His whole game was about speed. Remember that? Well, Vince

681
00:32:04,598 --> 00:32:08,198
Speaker 3: another good guy? Yes again, how do you protect against

682
00:32:08,198 --> 00:32:08,918
Speaker 3: all of this stuff?

683
00:32:09,238 --> 00:32:11,878
Speaker 1: Well, Vince Calemill, by the way, was also the same guy,

684
00:32:11,918 --> 00:32:13,798
Speaker 1: and you can relate to this Joe. He's got a

685
00:32:13,838 --> 00:32:16,278
Speaker 1: new golf club in the clubhouse, so he starts swinging

686
00:32:16,278 --> 00:32:19,638
Speaker 1: the golf club in the clubhouse and he smacks DWIGHTE.

687
00:32:19,678 --> 00:32:22,318
Speaker 1: Goodin in the shoulder good and can't make his next start.

688
00:32:23,838 --> 00:32:28,318
Speaker 3: But Rocco Follmer brat Fulmer was a big batswinger in

689
00:32:28,398 --> 00:32:31,078
Speaker 3: the clubhouse. He smoked somebody I can't remember who, but

690
00:32:31,118 --> 00:32:33,598
Speaker 3: we had to talk about it. Call him Rocco. Rocco,

691
00:32:33,878 --> 00:32:37,238
Speaker 3: do not swing your bat in the clubhouse. Guys would

692
00:32:37,318 --> 00:32:38,958
Speaker 3: do that kind of stuff. I mean, they get so

693
00:32:39,078 --> 00:32:42,238
Speaker 3: wrapped up. Really, you have to understand when these guys

694
00:32:42,238 --> 00:32:44,878
Speaker 3: get in like this, this freaky zone where they don't

695
00:32:44,918 --> 00:32:47,278
Speaker 3: see or know anything that's going on around them. And

696
00:32:47,278 --> 00:32:50,398
Speaker 3: that's exactly what happened to Brad. Great guy, loved him,

697
00:32:50,438 --> 00:32:53,198
Speaker 3: big part of the Angels winning the World Series the

698
00:32:53,238 --> 00:32:55,518
Speaker 3: two thousand and two. But he was a bad swinger

699
00:32:55,838 --> 00:32:58,558
Speaker 3: in the clubhouse. Please, all your kids listening, never do that.

700
00:32:59,078 --> 00:33:00,638
Speaker 1: I got one more for you. This is one of

701
00:33:00,638 --> 00:33:03,918
Speaker 1: my favorites. Dennis Martinez remember him president?

702
00:33:04,318 --> 00:33:05,798
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I think he's.

703
00:33:05,678 --> 00:33:06,918
Speaker 2: With the Expos at the time.

704
00:33:07,198 --> 00:33:08,878
Speaker 1: Back in the day, you know a lot of players

705
00:33:08,918 --> 00:33:11,758
Speaker 1: have to actually carry their own luggage to the team bus.

706
00:33:12,078 --> 00:33:12,758
Speaker 3: How dare they?

707
00:33:13,118 --> 00:33:13,318
Speaker 2: Yeah?

708
00:33:13,318 --> 00:33:15,758
Speaker 1: I know the idea today of doing that, forget it.

709
00:33:16,478 --> 00:33:18,998
Speaker 1: So he's taking his luggage out to the bus and

710
00:33:18,998 --> 00:33:21,158
Speaker 1: he goes to throw it in the bin and he

711
00:33:21,238 --> 00:33:23,758
Speaker 1: hurts his shoulder. This is a picture throwing his luggage

712
00:33:23,758 --> 00:33:25,518
Speaker 1: out of the team bus hurts his shoulder. The best

713
00:33:25,518 --> 00:33:28,638
Speaker 1: part is the Expos said he went on the il

714
00:33:28,718 --> 00:33:30,838
Speaker 1: with a case of samsonitis.

715
00:33:32,558 --> 00:33:37,318
Speaker 3: That's really good. I never heard that. That is outstanding.

716
00:33:37,838 --> 00:33:39,958
Speaker 3: I want to meet the man that coined that phrase.

717
00:33:40,158 --> 00:33:42,718
Speaker 3: He and I could work together very well. That's beautiful.

718
00:33:42,998 --> 00:33:45,718
Speaker 1: I think that was Rich Griffin, who was the old

719
00:33:45,718 --> 00:33:48,038
Speaker 1: PR director for the expos. He was also the one

720
00:33:48,118 --> 00:33:51,278
Speaker 1: with Dennis Martinez was matched up against another picture might

721
00:33:51,278 --> 00:33:53,838
Speaker 1: have been Pedro Martinez. He called it was an afternoon game.

722
00:33:53,878 --> 00:33:55,758
Speaker 1: He called it a too Martinez is lunch.

723
00:33:57,318 --> 00:33:59,918
Speaker 3: That's good stuff, man, But samonitis is hard to beat.

724
00:34:00,558 --> 00:34:03,878
Speaker 2: Samsonitis. That's air ful of samsonitis.

725
00:34:04,038 --> 00:34:04,518
Speaker 3: Beautiful.

726
00:34:04,558 --> 00:34:06,278
Speaker 2: Mante Hey, we're gonna take a quick break.

727
00:34:06,318 --> 00:34:09,478
Speaker 1: I promised you we would talk about a very cool

728
00:34:09,598 --> 00:34:12,478
Speaker 1: car that Joe and I both have in common. We'd

729
00:34:12,558 --> 00:34:15,358
Speaker 1: love to see come back someday. We'll talk about that

730
00:34:15,478 --> 00:34:29,278
Speaker 1: car when we get back on the book of Joe.

731
00:34:31,158 --> 00:34:33,238
Speaker 2: Joe, you're a big time car guy. How many cars

732
00:34:33,238 --> 00:34:34,518
Speaker 2: do you have these days?

733
00:34:35,318 --> 00:34:39,158
Speaker 3: I hate to say it, I'm just so pretentious. Up

734
00:34:39,158 --> 00:34:41,878
Speaker 3: in my garage my firehouse. I bought a firehouse in

735
00:34:41,878 --> 00:34:44,318
Speaker 3: Wolfsburg to store my stuff. It's a storage unit and

736
00:34:44,398 --> 00:34:49,198
Speaker 3: a car storage unit. Right now, there's six up there here.

737
00:34:49,238 --> 00:34:53,798
Speaker 3: I got Demand seven, Tahoe, eight, Chavelle nine. I think

738
00:34:53,798 --> 00:34:57,078
Speaker 3: it's nine or ten right now. There are some pretty

739
00:34:57,078 --> 00:34:59,558
Speaker 3: cool old cars. I mean, ranging from a fifty six

740
00:34:59,638 --> 00:35:03,758
Speaker 3: bel Air which is absolutely quick. The guy that build

741
00:35:03,798 --> 00:35:06,598
Speaker 3: out was in Phoenix did a great job with it.

742
00:35:07,598 --> 00:35:10,398
Speaker 3: My Chevelle. Joey was driving my Chevelle around yesterday day

743
00:35:10,398 --> 00:35:12,838
Speaker 3: before that. I have bob Aloo and blazon on the

744
00:35:12,918 --> 00:35:15,078
Speaker 3: back of my van. I have the cal State Fullerton

745
00:35:15,718 --> 00:35:19,918
Speaker 3: because my buddy Dug's leavette when in nineteen seventy six

746
00:35:19,958 --> 00:35:23,958
Speaker 3: years to drive me to practice at cal State Fullerton

747
00:35:24,078 --> 00:35:26,198
Speaker 3: when I first signed with the Angels in a nineteen

748
00:35:26,318 --> 00:35:29,238
Speaker 3: seventy six Dodge van and I was in search of

749
00:35:29,278 --> 00:35:31,798
Speaker 3: that thing for one hundred years. So I finally found

750
00:35:31,798 --> 00:35:34,398
Speaker 3: one on Craigslist. I found it on Craigslist of all things,

751
00:35:34,678 --> 00:35:37,158
Speaker 3: out of this little town outside of Pittsburgh. About it

752
00:35:37,158 --> 00:35:39,958
Speaker 3: at least ten years ago. And it's running. It's running

753
00:35:39,958 --> 00:35:41,838
Speaker 3: really well. Right now. I'm trying to get it tuned

754
00:35:41,918 --> 00:35:44,398
Speaker 3: up and set it up properly, and it finally getting

755
00:35:44,438 --> 00:35:46,998
Speaker 3: to that point. But yeah, I got some neat stuff

756
00:35:47,278 --> 00:35:50,878
Speaker 3: right up to my Hellcat. So yeah, I'm I. I

757
00:35:50,958 --> 00:35:52,958
Speaker 3: like bass cars when as a kid I could never

758
00:35:53,358 --> 00:35:55,478
Speaker 3: afford a new one. I didn't have my first new

759
00:35:55,558 --> 00:35:59,918
Speaker 3: car until I was twenty seven years old. I think

760
00:35:59,958 --> 00:36:02,238
Speaker 3: when I signed to scout and be a minor league

761
00:36:02,278 --> 00:36:05,678
Speaker 3: manager with the Angels, I was in Boulder, Colorado, and

762
00:36:05,718 --> 00:36:07,838
Speaker 3: that was the year they were giving them away. They're

763
00:36:08,318 --> 00:36:10,638
Speaker 3: le Ayacoca. They were giving those K cars away. I

764
00:36:10,638 --> 00:36:14,878
Speaker 3: think were K car was a TP TC three, little

765
00:36:14,918 --> 00:36:17,518
Speaker 3: Plymouth thing that I got. That was my first new car.

766
00:36:17,678 --> 00:36:20,718
Speaker 3: So I've always been infatuated with cars. My buddy Kas

767
00:36:20,798 --> 00:36:23,438
Speaker 3: and I used to drive around Hazelton and then Chevelle's

768
00:36:23,518 --> 00:36:26,678
Speaker 3: three ninety six and a three fifty three ninety six

769
00:36:26,718 --> 00:36:29,398
Speaker 3: with cal induction and ever since that was love at

770
00:36:29,398 --> 00:36:33,198
Speaker 3: first shift. You know, this Hazelton was a big Cadillac town,

771
00:36:33,278 --> 00:36:35,678
Speaker 3: a big Lincoln town. Used to be an argument which

772
00:36:35,718 --> 00:36:38,598
Speaker 3: is the better big car to own? So listen, it's

773
00:36:38,638 --> 00:36:42,398
Speaker 3: embedded and blazoned in my mind. I'm into it. I

774
00:36:42,398 --> 00:36:44,478
Speaker 3: don't apologize for it. I kind of love them.

775
00:36:44,598 --> 00:36:46,478
Speaker 1: I love the fact that you're a manager with a

776
00:36:46,558 --> 00:36:49,478
Speaker 1: starting nine of cars or ten if you count a DH.

777
00:36:49,838 --> 00:36:50,718
Speaker 2: So that's very.

778
00:36:50,518 --> 00:36:51,518
Speaker 3: Cool, I guess I do.

779
00:36:52,198 --> 00:36:53,918
Speaker 1: But I'm going to give you two words that are

780
00:36:53,958 --> 00:36:56,398
Speaker 1: just gonna make you smile. I know when it comes

781
00:36:56,438 --> 00:37:01,278
Speaker 1: to cars. Vista Cruiser. Oh yeah, I mean think about

782
00:37:01,518 --> 00:37:05,598
Speaker 1: the Vista Cruiser did something that it's really sort of impossible.

783
00:37:06,158 --> 00:37:08,398
Speaker 2: It made the station wagon cool.

784
00:37:08,678 --> 00:37:09,078
Speaker 3: Yeah.

785
00:37:09,158 --> 00:37:12,598
Speaker 1: Now, I know station wagons are gone right there, Dinosaurs,

786
00:37:12,678 --> 00:37:13,718
Speaker 1: I got one.

787
00:37:13,998 --> 00:37:14,718
Speaker 2: I know you got one.

788
00:37:14,838 --> 00:37:18,598
Speaker 1: I'm talking about production these days or the last two decades,

789
00:37:18,638 --> 00:37:21,998
Speaker 1: if you will. Uh, there's no way there's been any

790
00:37:22,038 --> 00:37:25,518
Speaker 1: minivan which basically replaced the station wagon that's been cool.

791
00:37:26,118 --> 00:37:28,598
Speaker 1: And there is no way that there is any s

792
00:37:28,718 --> 00:37:32,198
Speaker 1: u V which has replaced the minivan pretty much that

793
00:37:32,358 --> 00:37:32,798
Speaker 1: is cool.

794
00:37:33,398 --> 00:37:37,198
Speaker 2: The Vista Cruiser made the station wagon cool.

795
00:37:37,478 --> 00:37:42,238
Speaker 1: It is one of the most most incredible achievements in

796
00:37:42,278 --> 00:37:43,758
Speaker 1: the history of automobiles.

797
00:37:43,998 --> 00:37:45,718
Speaker 2: If I can exaggerate a little bit.

798
00:37:45,718 --> 00:37:47,958
Speaker 3: How many how many little windows are there up on top?

799
00:37:47,998 --> 00:37:48,478
Speaker 3: There is it?

800
00:37:48,718 --> 00:37:50,878
Speaker 2: Thirteen thirteen?

801
00:37:50,958 --> 00:37:53,518
Speaker 3: Yeah? People, these extra windows.

802
00:37:53,598 --> 00:37:54,998
Speaker 2: You had the skylight. Yeah.

803
00:37:55,038 --> 00:38:01,878
Speaker 1: Actually the inspiration Vista Cruiser was the observation cars on Amtrak,

804
00:38:02,638 --> 00:38:04,758
Speaker 1: and they thought, you know what, let's pile all the

805
00:38:04,838 --> 00:38:09,038
Speaker 1: kiddies in the car and everybody will have a quote

806
00:38:09,118 --> 00:38:12,478
Speaker 1: unquote Vista to look out on these long car rides,

807
00:38:12,518 --> 00:38:14,758
Speaker 1: because that's how you went on vacation. You didn't take

808
00:38:14,798 --> 00:38:17,558
Speaker 1: a plane to go on vacation. You piled in the

809
00:38:17,558 --> 00:38:20,718
Speaker 1: station wagon and you played games in the back of

810
00:38:20,758 --> 00:38:23,998
Speaker 1: the car and you were able to look out the

811
00:38:23,998 --> 00:38:27,558
Speaker 1: window and see everything. Thirteen ten windows around that Vista Cruiser.

812
00:38:28,078 --> 00:38:30,678
Speaker 3: Well, the Volkswagen bus came out with something, or they

813
00:38:30,798 --> 00:38:32,318
Speaker 3: think they might have been before that, like it was

814
00:38:32,398 --> 00:38:35,878
Speaker 3: twenty some windows on a I can't remember exactly number

815
00:38:35,958 --> 00:38:38,958
Speaker 3: on the Volkswagen bus for a bit, although I have

816
00:38:38,998 --> 00:38:40,878
Speaker 3: been in. I mean, Volkswagen buses are cool and all

817
00:38:40,878 --> 00:38:42,918
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff, but they're to drive them to

818
00:38:42,958 --> 00:38:47,558
Speaker 3: go somewhere. It's paint takingly, slow and annoying, but they're

819
00:38:47,638 --> 00:38:51,158
Speaker 3: they're absolutely cool looking. My van is a seventy six

820
00:38:51,238 --> 00:38:54,318
Speaker 3: Dodge and it could keep up the speed on a freeway.

821
00:38:54,358 --> 00:38:59,198
Speaker 3: My station wagon is an eighty five Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser

822
00:38:59,238 --> 00:39:01,158
Speaker 3: in it's not standing. I just drove with the Florida

823
00:39:01,278 --> 00:39:04,318
Speaker 3: Back eighty five, great air conditioning. I put a Bluetooth

824
00:39:04,318 --> 00:39:07,198
Speaker 3: stereo system in it. It's extremely comfortable. It's got kind

825
00:39:07,238 --> 00:39:09,318
Speaker 3: of like that blurre seating that's never too cold, never

826
00:39:09,358 --> 00:39:11,718
Speaker 3: too hot, and steers and drives really well. Actually I

827
00:39:11,758 --> 00:39:14,958
Speaker 3: got a speeding ticket in Virginia going down to I

828
00:39:15,038 --> 00:39:18,158
Speaker 3: was very proud of that. Actually, the cop we got

829
00:39:18,198 --> 00:39:21,118
Speaker 3: together and I admit it. I was wrong. And so

830
00:39:21,158 --> 00:39:24,358
Speaker 3: I got a speeding ticket in my station Wagon driving

831
00:39:24,398 --> 00:39:28,398
Speaker 3: from Hazleton to Tampa last winter. I thought that was

832
00:39:28,478 --> 00:39:30,798
Speaker 3: kind of a badge of honor for that particular car.

833
00:39:31,198 --> 00:39:33,038
Speaker 3: But it's wonderful. It's a three h five, I think,

834
00:39:33,078 --> 00:39:36,838
Speaker 3: with a Ford barrow, and it really drives well. So listen.

835
00:39:37,318 --> 00:39:41,478
Speaker 3: Convenience wise, the tailgate opens up both ways like a

836
00:39:41,518 --> 00:39:43,638
Speaker 3: door and then just straight out. The seat does face

837
00:39:43,678 --> 00:39:45,838
Speaker 3: backward in the back, but it is it's truly a

838
00:39:45,878 --> 00:39:48,718
Speaker 3: comfortable vehicle. I and and if you're going to load

839
00:39:48,718 --> 00:39:51,758
Speaker 3: stuff and unload stuff, it's so much lower to pull

840
00:39:51,798 --> 00:39:54,558
Speaker 3: things in and out of. I I listen, they've come

841
00:39:54,638 --> 00:39:56,758
Speaker 3: up with similar things, like the Dodge wasn't magnum a

842
00:39:56,798 --> 00:39:59,198
Speaker 3: couple of years ago. I like the Ford Flex a

843
00:39:59,198 --> 00:40:01,678
Speaker 3: little bit. It has that kind of a groove to it,

844
00:40:01,798 --> 00:40:05,038
Speaker 3: so it makes sense and it's very very easy to

845
00:40:05,078 --> 00:40:08,518
Speaker 3: transport stuff. Again, I think you know that there's been

846
00:40:08,518 --> 00:40:11,558
Speaker 3: an attempts, attempts to do bring back old cars in

847
00:40:11,598 --> 00:40:13,998
Speaker 3: new ways. You know, the Camaro I thought failed. I

848
00:40:13,998 --> 00:40:16,598
Speaker 3: thought the Challenger they nailed it. The charger is not

849
00:40:16,798 --> 00:40:21,318
Speaker 3: really as good. So I'd love to see somebody's depiction

850
00:40:21,518 --> 00:40:25,678
Speaker 3: or bringing to life an actual station wagon with all

851
00:40:25,718 --> 00:40:28,918
Speaker 3: the amenities of today that actually feels and works and

852
00:40:28,998 --> 00:40:31,638
Speaker 3: looks like a station wagon. Now, that would be cool.

853
00:40:32,158 --> 00:40:34,558
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they are doing that with the VW

854
00:40:34,678 --> 00:40:35,838
Speaker 1: Bus that you're talking about.

855
00:40:35,918 --> 00:40:38,518
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are the iteration to that. It looks pretty cool.

856
00:40:38,598 --> 00:40:39,238
Speaker 2: We'll see.

857
00:40:39,478 --> 00:40:42,998
Speaker 1: But you're right, the Vista Cruiser or the Custom Cruiser

858
00:40:43,558 --> 00:40:47,558
Speaker 1: would blow the doors off a VW Bus, not even close.

859
00:40:48,118 --> 00:40:51,638
Speaker 1: The original car had a jet fire rocket V eight

860
00:40:51,958 --> 00:40:53,878
Speaker 1: with two ninety horse power.

861
00:40:53,998 --> 00:40:56,318
Speaker 2: You could get it even hard at that thing. I'm

862
00:40:56,358 --> 00:40:56,798
Speaker 2: telling you.

863
00:40:56,918 --> 00:40:58,838
Speaker 1: If you thought you had a muscle car and you

864
00:40:58,878 --> 00:41:00,958
Speaker 1: pulled up at a light next to a Vista Cruiser and

865
00:41:01,038 --> 00:41:02,598
Speaker 1: you think you're going to just leave the guy in

866
00:41:02,598 --> 00:41:02,998
Speaker 1: the dust.

867
00:41:03,118 --> 00:41:05,238
Speaker 2: No, the reverse, this is going to happen. That thing

868
00:41:05,318 --> 00:41:05,998
Speaker 2: could move.

869
00:41:06,198 --> 00:41:08,398
Speaker 3: You could get hurt there. The other the other my

870
00:41:08,518 --> 00:41:11,278
Speaker 3: one of my most favorite vehicles that I have is

871
00:41:11,278 --> 00:41:15,198
Speaker 3: a nineteen ninety four fifty four SS Chevy pickup. I

872
00:41:15,238 --> 00:41:17,038
Speaker 3: was in uh So with the Rays. I was in

873
00:41:17,638 --> 00:41:20,038
Speaker 3: Port Charlotte and put to Gordon, and I thought I

874
00:41:20,078 --> 00:41:22,998
Speaker 3: needed a truck. So there was a bunch of several

875
00:41:23,158 --> 00:41:26,318
Speaker 3: like used old classic kind of used car lots around

876
00:41:26,358 --> 00:41:29,678
Speaker 3: that area. Was on a round forty one right Highway

877
00:41:29,678 --> 00:41:31,558
Speaker 3: forty one. So I'm driving down there and I just

878
00:41:31,598 --> 00:41:33,118
Speaker 3: pulling this place and I look in the back and

879
00:41:33,078 --> 00:41:35,198
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, I see this pickup sitting back there.

880
00:41:35,798 --> 00:41:38,678
Speaker 3: And I didn't even realize to what extent how valuable

881
00:41:38,678 --> 00:41:40,798
Speaker 3: these trucks were and how unique they were, and the

882
00:41:40,798 --> 00:41:43,318
Speaker 3: fact that there wasn't that many produced. I go back

883
00:41:43,398 --> 00:41:45,078
Speaker 3: there and I drive this thing. Damn, it's like a

884
00:41:45,158 --> 00:41:47,678
Speaker 3: it's a four fifty four. You know, it's really high

885
00:41:47,678 --> 00:41:49,958
Speaker 3: torque in the front end. It's really a light thing.

886
00:41:50,198 --> 00:41:52,598
Speaker 3: So once you get it going, it goes, it goes. Man.

887
00:41:52,918 --> 00:41:55,718
Speaker 3: So I bought it, and recently I had it totally

888
00:41:55,758 --> 00:41:58,878
Speaker 3: redone by this my son's friend out in Arizona with

889
00:41:58,918 --> 00:42:02,638
Speaker 3: this new deep black paint job and they redid the interior.

890
00:42:02,758 --> 00:42:04,678
Speaker 3: It's all original, but it's just it's been pricked up

891
00:42:04,718 --> 00:42:07,638
Speaker 3: a little bit. I love driving this vehicle. It is

892
00:42:07,678 --> 00:42:11,278
Speaker 3: the most comfortable, greater air conditioning, tremendous sound system. I

893
00:42:11,318 --> 00:42:13,318
Speaker 3: love this thing. And it's just talking about I need

894
00:42:13,358 --> 00:42:14,678
Speaker 3: to go take it out of the garage and drive

895
00:42:14,718 --> 00:42:17,238
Speaker 3: this around a little bit. It is, it sits high,

896
00:42:17,838 --> 00:42:19,598
Speaker 3: it's just and like I said, it's a kind of

897
00:42:19,638 --> 00:42:22,518
Speaker 3: a collector's item right now. The original sticker price was

898
00:42:22,598 --> 00:42:25,518
Speaker 3: eighteen thousand on it. Because the sticker is still in

899
00:42:25,518 --> 00:42:27,838
Speaker 3: the glove box. The original one you could get anywhere

900
00:42:27,878 --> 00:42:30,238
Speaker 3: from you know, thirty to forty to fifty thousand dollars

901
00:42:30,238 --> 00:42:33,598
Speaker 3: for these cars, these trucks anymore based on the shape.

902
00:42:33,638 --> 00:42:36,198
Speaker 3: And furthermore, it's only got sixty sixty one sixty two

903
00:42:36,278 --> 00:42:39,958
Speaker 3: thousand miles on it original from nineteen ninety. Loved this vehicle.

904
00:42:40,638 --> 00:42:43,998
Speaker 1: So I am a Vista Cruiser kid growing up. I'm

905
00:42:44,038 --> 00:42:47,678
Speaker 1: also one of eight kids. Wow, So it was rare

906
00:42:47,998 --> 00:42:50,998
Speaker 1: for all ten of us to go anywhere at the

907
00:42:51,038 --> 00:42:54,398
Speaker 1: same time. But when we could go as a group

908
00:42:54,438 --> 00:42:58,238
Speaker 1: anywhere it was piling into the Vista Cruiser. Now this was,

909
00:42:58,358 --> 00:43:01,238
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, the cloth seats show. The other option

910
00:43:01,358 --> 00:43:05,278
Speaker 1: which we had was what they called moroc vinyl. Yes,

911
00:43:06,758 --> 00:43:09,478
Speaker 1: and man, that was smoking hot in the summer. But

912
00:43:09,598 --> 00:43:12,238
Speaker 1: what I remember is, you know, it was an older car,

913
00:43:12,478 --> 00:43:16,158
Speaker 1: Vista Cruiser, and there was something wrong with the front seat.

914
00:43:16,278 --> 00:43:18,798
Speaker 1: Of course, it was not the bucket seats, the coach

915
00:43:18,998 --> 00:43:22,078
Speaker 1: style seats all the way across, and the driver had

916
00:43:22,118 --> 00:43:24,958
Speaker 1: to have the seat propped up by a baseball bat

917
00:43:25,038 --> 00:43:27,198
Speaker 1: that was wedged behind him. So if you were sitting

918
00:43:27,198 --> 00:43:28,918
Speaker 1: in the second row, you had to climb over the

919
00:43:28,918 --> 00:43:31,998
Speaker 1: baseball bat to get in. But as kids, it was

920
00:43:32,038 --> 00:43:33,998
Speaker 1: always a fight to see who would sit in what

921
00:43:34,038 --> 00:43:37,118
Speaker 1: we called the way back, right the third row. I

922
00:43:37,158 --> 00:43:39,718
Speaker 1: got the way back, and you know it was the

923
00:43:39,758 --> 00:43:42,038
Speaker 1: smart ones were the ones who called that quickly enough,

924
00:43:42,078 --> 00:43:44,558
Speaker 1: and that included coming home. You had to do two things,

925
00:43:44,678 --> 00:43:47,718
Speaker 1: call the way back and call the first shower, because

926
00:43:47,758 --> 00:43:50,398
Speaker 1: you know, eight kids taking showers after going to the beach.

927
00:43:50,558 --> 00:43:52,278
Speaker 2: If your last is it's not gonna be any hot

928
00:43:52,318 --> 00:43:53,158
Speaker 2: water left for you.

929
00:43:53,678 --> 00:43:57,198
Speaker 1: So what memories of that Vista Cruiser being able to

930
00:43:57,238 --> 00:44:00,238
Speaker 1: handle us going back and forth in that car. But

931
00:44:00,238 --> 00:44:02,638
Speaker 1: the coolest part for me was always the way back.

932
00:44:02,758 --> 00:44:04,278
Speaker 1: Always wanted to sit in the way back.

933
00:44:04,638 --> 00:44:06,558
Speaker 3: And you survived how many times you put that seat

934
00:44:06,558 --> 00:44:07,598
Speaker 3: belt on on the way back.

935
00:44:07,678 --> 00:44:11,278
Speaker 1: There were no seat belts, Joe, there were no seat belts.

936
00:44:11,278 --> 00:44:12,918
Speaker 1: I think the fact that we were wedged in so

937
00:44:13,038 --> 00:44:14,678
Speaker 1: closely made it actually safe.

938
00:44:14,998 --> 00:44:18,478
Speaker 3: You know, it was such an incredible time when we

939
00:44:18,518 --> 00:44:20,798
Speaker 3: think about it. You never wear a helmet when you

940
00:44:20,878 --> 00:44:23,438
Speaker 3: rode your bike. You never strapped into a seat belt.

941
00:44:23,718 --> 00:44:26,438
Speaker 3: And at that time, the dashboards were a lot right

942
00:44:26,478 --> 00:44:28,558
Speaker 3: prior to that, the dashboards were made out of metal.

943
00:44:28,878 --> 00:44:31,518
Speaker 3: Like if you see my I got this fifty nine

944
00:44:31,598 --> 00:44:35,118
Speaker 3: oh Camino and my fifty six belt Air, the dashboard

945
00:44:35,238 --> 00:44:39,478
Speaker 3: is absolutely beautifully painted metal. And there was never a

946
00:44:39,518 --> 00:44:42,278
Speaker 3: consideration they come to a quick stop. You know, there's

947
00:44:42,358 --> 00:44:45,038
Speaker 3: kids flying all over cars, and you know sometimes like

948
00:44:45,078 --> 00:44:47,838
Speaker 3: you know, your your mom or your dad might be

949
00:44:47,878 --> 00:44:49,798
Speaker 3: able to throw the arm out there in time they

950
00:44:49,838 --> 00:44:52,958
Speaker 3: keep you in that seat. But you never even thought

951
00:44:52,998 --> 00:44:55,998
Speaker 3: about it. You never did. It's incredible, it's incredible. Read listen.

952
00:44:56,198 --> 00:44:58,358
Speaker 3: I'm an advocate. I'm a big seat belt user. I

953
00:44:58,398 --> 00:45:00,718
Speaker 3: love seatbelts. I think it's great. But at the time, man,

954
00:45:00,798 --> 00:45:05,758
Speaker 3: we had no concern, no concern about that. At least

955
00:45:05,758 --> 00:45:07,238
Speaker 3: you would have like put a helmet on a kid

956
00:45:07,238 --> 00:45:09,558
Speaker 3: when they got in a car. But nothing, you know,

957
00:45:09,678 --> 00:45:12,278
Speaker 3: we just and you're bouncing all over the place. You're

958
00:45:12,398 --> 00:45:15,238
Speaker 3: very annoying to your parents. They're always threatening you as

959
00:45:15,238 --> 00:45:18,558
Speaker 3: you're driving somewhere to knock that off, and to pull over.

960
00:45:18,638 --> 00:45:21,158
Speaker 3: Don't make me pull over, don't make me stop. All

961
00:45:21,198 --> 00:45:22,678
Speaker 3: those things, man, hysterical.

962
00:45:22,998 --> 00:45:26,518
Speaker 2: The Vista Cruiser well done. First one was nineteen sixty four.

963
00:45:26,558 --> 00:45:30,038
Speaker 2: I think the last one was, yeah, seventy seventy seven. Yeah,

964
00:45:30,118 --> 00:45:31,038
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy seven.

965
00:45:31,078 --> 00:45:32,958
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I'm going to look into that now.

966
00:45:32,958 --> 00:45:34,598
Speaker 3: You got me, You got me, because that is a

967
00:45:34,638 --> 00:45:36,638
Speaker 3: beautiful vehicle. You're absolutely right.

968
00:45:36,838 --> 00:45:41,318
Speaker 1: And Builton, Michigan, good old US made and did about

969
00:45:41,358 --> 00:45:43,278
Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen miles per gallon.

970
00:45:43,438 --> 00:45:46,238
Speaker 3: That's a lot. I was talking about my four fifty

971
00:45:46,238 --> 00:45:49,878
Speaker 3: four that gets about ten miles to a gallon. My van,

972
00:45:49,918 --> 00:45:51,438
Speaker 3: I don't even know if it gets that much. That's

973
00:45:51,438 --> 00:45:54,598
Speaker 3: a three sixty. So listen, I know, I know a

974
00:45:54,598 --> 00:45:56,118
Speaker 3: lot of people are gonna be disturbed with all that.

975
00:45:56,158 --> 00:45:58,038
Speaker 3: And you want me to buy an electric car. I

976
00:45:58,238 --> 00:46:00,838
Speaker 3: really like to hear my car when I'm driving it

977
00:46:00,918 --> 00:46:01,438
Speaker 3: or my truck.

978
00:46:01,638 --> 00:46:02,398
Speaker 2: I love that too.

979
00:46:02,598 --> 00:46:05,358
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, you can get a faux

980
00:46:05,358 --> 00:46:09,358
Speaker 1: sound for your electric vehicle, but not the same I know,

981
00:46:10,518 --> 00:46:14,438
Speaker 1: no thing. No, the sticker price back in the day

982
00:46:14,518 --> 00:46:17,278
Speaker 1: and today's dollars would be about thirty thousand.

983
00:46:17,038 --> 00:46:18,598
Speaker 2: Dollars, okay, which is not bad.

984
00:46:18,638 --> 00:46:18,958
Speaker 3: I'd do it.

985
00:46:18,958 --> 00:46:20,878
Speaker 2: I think it went for about five thousand back then.

986
00:46:20,958 --> 00:46:22,678
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I would do it in a heartbeat. If they

987
00:46:22,678 --> 00:46:24,238
Speaker 3: came out with the new wagon that had all the

988
00:46:24,558 --> 00:46:27,318
Speaker 3: stuff going on, that would be my next purchase. Like

989
00:46:27,318 --> 00:46:29,878
Speaker 3: you said, I mean, we talked about this. No more

990
00:46:29,878 --> 00:46:32,918
Speaker 3: Sadansby and built the United States. Correct. Correct, the Melbow

991
00:46:32,958 --> 00:46:35,558
Speaker 3: was the last one. And I really like when I'm

992
00:46:35,598 --> 00:46:38,158
Speaker 3: driving around. Like yesterday, I drove down to Bethlehem, took

993
00:46:38,198 --> 00:46:40,878
Speaker 3: my grandson ice skating down at the ice drink at

994
00:46:40,878 --> 00:46:43,598
Speaker 3: steel they called Steel City Ice Creak. That's right next

995
00:46:43,638 --> 00:46:45,798
Speaker 3: to the old Bethlem Steel plant. And if you've never

996
00:46:45,838 --> 00:46:47,318
Speaker 3: seen that, you got to check it out. It looks

997
00:46:47,318 --> 00:46:49,958
Speaker 3: like something out of an apocalyptic movie. They do a

998
00:46:49,998 --> 00:46:54,238
Speaker 3: lot of concerts and stuff down there. Really lehigh University

999
00:46:54,318 --> 00:46:56,038
Speaker 3: up on hill. I took him to Sea Loafayette two

1000
00:46:56,678 --> 00:47:00,478
Speaker 3: beautiful really and I don't know if I remember ever

1001
00:47:00,518 --> 00:47:03,398
Speaker 3: seeing that before, but the wonderful drive. And to be

1002
00:47:03,438 --> 00:47:07,238
Speaker 3: able to do a drive like that in a refurbished,

1003
00:47:07,238 --> 00:47:11,518
Speaker 3: brand new, air conditioned, great sound system thing that looks

1004
00:47:11,598 --> 00:47:14,878
Speaker 3: like a Vista Cruiser of days gone by. Sign me

1005
00:47:14,958 --> 00:47:17,838
Speaker 3: up because everything else looks the same. We've talked about this.

1006
00:47:18,158 --> 00:47:21,118
Speaker 3: I'm driving back paying attention. Everybody's in the SUVs. There

1007
00:47:21,198 --> 00:47:24,878
Speaker 3: was a couple foreign make sedan's going by us, whatever,

1008
00:47:25,758 --> 00:47:28,678
Speaker 3: but everything is the same. I would dig on that.

1009
00:47:29,598 --> 00:47:32,718
Speaker 3: I'd wonder what the actual desires would be of the

1010
00:47:32,758 --> 00:47:35,918
Speaker 3: American public, but that would be something I would really

1011
00:47:35,918 --> 00:47:36,318
Speaker 3: be into.

1012
00:47:37,078 --> 00:47:42,078
Speaker 1: Highlight and automative design. Olsmobile made a cool station wagon.

1013
00:47:42,598 --> 00:47:46,318
Speaker 1: Why not tap into that vibe someway in today's market?

1014
00:47:46,918 --> 00:47:47,278
Speaker 3: Love it?

1015
00:47:47,358 --> 00:47:49,318
Speaker 1: I mean, Joe, it's time for you to take us

1016
00:47:49,318 --> 00:47:51,558
Speaker 1: home here to close out this edition of the Book

1017
00:47:51,558 --> 00:47:51,918
Speaker 1: of Joe.

1018
00:47:51,958 --> 00:47:53,318
Speaker 2: What do you got for us this week?

1019
00:47:53,638 --> 00:47:56,918
Speaker 3: You nailed it. You nailed it. You're talking about this

1020
00:47:57,198 --> 00:48:00,278
Speaker 3: the original concepts, these old cars that are timeless. They

1021
00:48:00,398 --> 00:48:03,638
Speaker 3: they never go out of style. I love universality. I

1022
00:48:03,638 --> 00:48:07,998
Speaker 3: love timeless kind of components, whether you talk about the

1023
00:48:08,078 --> 00:48:12,438
Speaker 3: composers of ancient times back Betoven, whatever, or the more

1024
00:48:12,478 --> 00:48:16,638
Speaker 3: present composers with the beatles or the stones, whomever. The

1025
00:48:16,718 --> 00:48:19,478
Speaker 3: timeless kind of stuff that never gets sold, that'll be

1026
00:48:19,518 --> 00:48:21,678
Speaker 3: on old these stations one hundred years from now. But

1027
00:48:21,878 --> 00:48:24,518
Speaker 3: this is from Herman Melville, and I love this quote

1028
00:48:24,558 --> 00:48:27,078
Speaker 3: and it speaks to everything we've talked about in baseball too,

1029
00:48:27,118 --> 00:48:29,998
Speaker 3: and you're talking about in cars and just society in general.

1030
00:48:30,078 --> 00:48:32,878
Speaker 3: It is better to fail in originality than to succeed

1031
00:48:32,918 --> 00:48:36,838
Speaker 3: in imitation. That's it. I mean, I've talked about saying

1032
00:48:36,838 --> 00:48:38,798
Speaker 3: this and everybody wanting to be the same and everybody

1033
00:48:38,798 --> 00:48:42,438
Speaker 3: copying everybody else's ways. I love this, and you know

1034
00:48:42,478 --> 00:48:45,558
Speaker 3: the prescient I mean, how does Melville think about this

1035
00:48:45,678 --> 00:48:47,598
Speaker 3: back in the day. You know, he's writing Mobi Dick

1036
00:48:47,598 --> 00:48:49,758
Speaker 3: and all this other stuff. But it's better to fail

1037
00:48:49,798 --> 00:48:53,118
Speaker 3: in originality than to succeed in imitation. I cannot agree

1038
00:48:53,158 --> 00:48:53,718
Speaker 3: with that more.

1039
00:48:54,118 --> 00:48:56,758
Speaker 1: That is so important, because sometimes I think we lose

1040
00:48:56,838 --> 00:48:58,878
Speaker 1: sight of that because we do want to copy so

1041
00:48:58,998 --> 00:49:01,718
Speaker 1: much in the society. And I would think good old

1042
00:49:01,798 --> 00:49:04,478
Speaker 1: harm would probably turn in as manuscript for more Moby

1043
00:49:04,518 --> 00:49:06,398
Speaker 1: Dick these days, and they turn it back to him

1044
00:49:06,438 --> 00:49:07,438
Speaker 1: and say, shorten it.

1045
00:49:07,438 --> 00:49:10,918
Speaker 3: It's too long, right right, like a brother version of

1046
00:49:10,918 --> 00:49:11,598
Speaker 3: the Book of Joe.

1047
00:49:14,718 --> 00:49:16,798
Speaker 2: That man, that's a lot of fun. Joe. Let's do

1048
00:49:16,838 --> 00:49:17,238
Speaker 2: it again.

1049
00:49:17,478 --> 00:49:20,158
Speaker 3: Thank you, Tommy, have a great week and have a

1050
00:49:20,198 --> 00:49:25,038
Speaker 3: great All Star Game two YouTube Bye bye bye.

1051
00:49:35,998 --> 00:49:39,198
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1052
00:49:39,438 --> 00:49:44,398
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1053
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