Speaker 1: Hey everyone, I'm Devin Simone and I am Davion Rogers,
Speaker 1: and this is MTV's official Challenge podcast. We beat, Yes
Speaker 1: it is. And this episode was called Don't let TJ Decide,
Speaker 1: but I'm also gonna call it Horacio Wakes Up episode
Speaker 1: because baby he finally was like, hold up, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: let me put Hurracio in it finally, which is good
Speaker 1: because I they just I don't you know, my boy.
Speaker 1: But we'll get to that. Let's talk about this episode.
Speaker 1: So first, we have the Challenge Daily calls off in
Speaker 1: the distance. It's the mini final. You know, those are grueling,
Speaker 1: those are long, Those are just a taste of what
Speaker 1: it's going to be when you actually make it to
Speaker 1: TJ's final. We have teams of four. We see some
Speaker 1: cutting of the ropes, we see some caring of heavy things.
Speaker 1: We see some people sort of gas out. We see
Speaker 1: some people really struggle with counting of squares. Just a
Speaker 1: moment for that. But ultimately we see team Michelle, Mariah, Kyland,
Speaker 1: and James come out. Also proof that you should never
Speaker 1: quit because Tyellow that was way in the back at
Speaker 1: a point they took the lead for a minute, So
Speaker 1: anything is possible. Like TJ says, don't quit. Then we
Speaker 1: get into voting and we see them vote in Hirasio,
Speaker 1: which is sort of shocking because we have Kylon, who
Speaker 1: is Hirassio's number one on the winning team, but it
Speaker 1: looks like it wasn't enough to say Arrasio. Then we
Speaker 1: have the House votes. Now we know how this goes.
Speaker 1: We know how TJ plays. TJ does not like two things.
Speaker 1: He doesn't like missmach shoes and he doesn't like to
Speaker 1: have to pick who's gonna go into elimination because y'all,
Speaker 1: couln't come up with the vote. I don't know I
Speaker 1: came up with mix mac shoes. But we're just gonna
Speaker 1: roll with it. And this is what happened. They go
Speaker 1: for a stale mate between Ed and he Manuel, and
Speaker 1: so ultimately that means it's left in TJ's hands, which
Speaker 1: is a bold decision, especially because we are still living
Speaker 1: in the chaos of it all. So who knows. Well,
Speaker 1: it turns out our mercenary is none other than the big,
Speaker 1: the bad, the swagtastic c T. He really doesn't even
Speaker 1: need an introduction. He just needs to do his little
Speaker 1: grunt and like a walk in and that's enough, but
Speaker 1: it's C and CT since he automatically gets to pick
Speaker 1: because he has the chaos, then he chooses. We thought
Speaker 1: it was gonna be Jah. You am surprised it was not, Jay.
Speaker 1: I know Day was very disappointed by it. I was
Speaker 1: disappointed too, but I respect what CT said, and ultimately
Speaker 1: he picks a soft looks like we should have paid
Speaker 1: attention back in algebra. I don't even know if this
Speaker 1: is algebra. It's probably technically not, but whatever. Either way,
Speaker 1: they struggled with the puzzle, but ultimately CT comes out
Speaker 1: on top the big winner. He is still the champ
Speaker 1: and the Champ of Champs for a reason. That means
Speaker 1: ten K is gone from the prize pot and now
Speaker 1: deep in CT's pockets, and ASoft is heading home, but
Speaker 1: not without a sort of heart wrenching, loving Hallmark movie
Speaker 1: of it All moment where everyone runs down and gives
Speaker 1: us off a big hugs. We even see lots of tears.
Speaker 1: TJ says quote, I have not seen the house this
Speaker 1: sad all season except Who. He was a close second
Speaker 1: because they were very sad. When Who he went shout
Speaker 1: out to Who, We Wow, it was a lot this episode. Day,
Speaker 1: I know you've been wanting to see the CT episode.
Speaker 1: How did you feel after seeing it? The math ain'
Speaker 1: math in? It ain't math in across literally a third splitzer,
Speaker 1: because what are we talking about? We have waited. CINC
Speaker 1: has been in all of the clips, all of them.
Speaker 1: I know all of the team. I know and hit
Speaker 1: did it even pick J.
Speaker 2: Now I get it as somebody who's playing the game,
Speaker 2: you trying to get this TENK and go home. I
Speaker 2: get it, CT, I get it, But you could have
Speaker 2: did this for me for the viewers know what.
Speaker 1: I agree, But I respected what he said, which is
Speaker 1: to me, it is the high road. Although the Pettimes
Speaker 1: still want to see it, and I want to see
Speaker 1: mainly because J has been running the season, so it's
Speaker 1: always nice to see someone kind of like have to
Speaker 1: get down and dirty then and they've been having everyone
Speaker 1: else see the dirty work. But I do respect the
Speaker 1: TT said. Look, I'm not gonna hold the grudge because
Speaker 1: you beat me. You beat me fair and square. I
Speaker 1: feel like that's the talk of actually a true champion,
Speaker 1: like a real winner, which is like, oh, I'm not
Speaker 1: making excuses for why you won. You won cool. I
Speaker 1: don't have a bendetta against you. Now, it doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that in future seasons we won't see c T take
Speaker 1: swipes it Jay at some point. You know, like we
Speaker 1: don't know what's gonna happen, but I can respect that
Speaker 1: He's basically like, look, I haven't been sitting at home
Speaker 1: holding this grudge. I'm gonna do something different. But girl,
Speaker 1: I did I wanted to see.
Speaker 2: Do you think do you think he was scared that
Speaker 2: that Jay may beat him again?
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I feel like because look, even
Speaker 1: though Jay beat him, I feel like Jordan would say this,
Speaker 1: even Nanners would say this, CT would say this. They're
Speaker 1: all chap well, no, no, no, But here's my point. Here's
Speaker 1: my point back up. My point is is that on
Speaker 1: a different day, it could be anyone. So you can
Speaker 1: have an equal level of champs, but ultimately sometimes it's
Speaker 1: just not your day. You get what I'm saying. It
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that that person is definitively better than you.
Speaker 1: It just means that, I mean, even look at Bananas.
Speaker 1: We saw they've showed a clip of the CT or
Speaker 1: the Banana's backpack moment, which is infamous, but we've also
Speaker 1: seen Bananas beat CT right, like as in finals, So
Speaker 1: any day could be your day or not. So I
Speaker 1: don't think and I don't think Jays proven himself enough
Speaker 1: to be a definitive CT slayer, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you beat him, great, but you're not Like, So, I
Speaker 1: don't think CT walks in there being like, oh, he's
Speaker 1: definitely gonna beat me, Like, I think that's given a
Speaker 1: whole lot of problems.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying when I when I when I say,
Speaker 2: do you think CT was scared? Meaning do you think
Speaker 2: CT was like, No, I came here to prove myself
Speaker 2: as a champ, and he's also said he had something
Speaker 2: to prove to himself that he still has it.
Speaker 1: So do you think he.
Speaker 2: Was like, you know what, there is a possibility that
Speaker 2: Jay might beat me, So let me not even dive
Speaker 2: into that.
Speaker 1: I'd like to think no, but maybe that's a possibility,
Speaker 1: or maybe he's saving it for season forty, like maybe
Speaker 1: he's hoping if it's going to be like a bigger moment.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know, but I do think, like
Speaker 1: I don't think CT's afraid of Jane. No, of course not.
Speaker 3: You know, I know that, but I.
Speaker 2: Think something was like maybe let me, let me let
Speaker 2: me we don't know what also, but it could but
Speaker 2: he also picks, and he picked us off though, who
Speaker 2: is not a wallflower?
Speaker 1: So it's not like he picked someone who's two feet
Speaker 1: tall and tiny. You know, it's not like he's like,
Speaker 1: let me just pick the small sky up there, like
Speaker 1: soft is not that And he knew nothing about us
Speaker 1: OFFT so for all he knows, a soft could be
Speaker 1: a stronger petitive competitor than Jay, And arguably a soft
Speaker 1: looks strong just in the jersey at least looks stronger
Speaker 1: and a little bit bigger than J. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think it was a let me pick who I
Speaker 1: think is gonna be the weaker person at all. Like
Speaker 1: I think a CT really was just like let's just
Speaker 1: try it out kind of vibe rather than but who,
Speaker 1: I know you had feelings for this episode, so we've
Speaker 1: got to get into let's start with your time outs.
Speaker 1: I know this is gonna be your role. Let's hear
Speaker 1: your day.
Speaker 3: CT.
Speaker 2: You were in time out because you wouldn't give me
Speaker 2: what I wanted, which was to pick J. I'm telling
Speaker 2: you my mouth was over here like watering to see
Speaker 2: J and CT go hit to hit it. You didn't
Speaker 2: give it to me, So I'm putting you in time
Speaker 2: out for that.
Speaker 1: Wait, is he a nominee or in time out nominee?
Speaker 2: And then also time out to Kyla. And I'm doing
Speaker 2: it because I have to be aware. Last time I
Speaker 2: gave Olivia time out for her lack of standing up
Speaker 2: for her friend Harafia, I have to return the paper
Speaker 2: and give it to Kyline because baby, you did nothing.
Speaker 2: You did nothing friend. All you did was stand there
Speaker 2: and say, you know what, You're right. I understand why
Speaker 2: you're saying that.
Speaker 1: You're totally right.
Speaker 2: You ain't very like I'm trying to be president, like
Speaker 2: kissing babies and stuff like. I totally understand why you're
Speaker 2: saying that, Like it's okay, I get it while you're
Speaker 2: saying that. And then the only thing that you did
Speaker 2: say in his defense is he's my only friend in
Speaker 2: the house, so I can't vote for him.
Speaker 1: And we get that, but come on.
Speaker 2: Kylin, you could have voted, especially since you came on
Speaker 2: the podcast and said Olivia could have did more.
Speaker 1: You could have did more too, sir.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm putting all them in time out, and
Speaker 2: they are stuck.
Speaker 1: When you put nominees and then just you know what,
Speaker 1: put them all in put it put them in a
Speaker 1: corner in time out. Okay, my honorable mention for a
Speaker 1: time Out. He doesn't get a nomination, but he's against
Speaker 1: novel mentioned. Kylon was just here last week talking about
Speaker 1: how it was misconstrued that he had flirted with Raven
Speaker 1: and that he did and they were just friends. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: it's like producers, listen to the podcast some I don't know,
Speaker 1: or the challenge God to do, because sure enough we
Speaker 1: see it of Raven grinding back in that thing up,
Speaker 1: throwing her Clappa's back on Kylon at the club. Look
Speaker 1: a little flirty to me, That's an awesomeish. That's that right,
Speaker 1: And that's all I'm gonna say. Now, my nominees for
Speaker 1: this week's Time Out. The first one is gonna go
Speaker 1: to Colleen wanting to give up, right, like I get it,
Speaker 1: And she kept saying, I don't understand what I'm doing wrong.
Speaker 1: And I understand this is just as an armchair quarterback,
Speaker 1: like I'm just sitting in the how I'm watching it.
Speaker 1: But when she's saying that, I'm like, grow, what you're
Speaker 1: doing wrong is you stop after every sway, like you'd
Speaker 1: go one direction and then stop and rest, and then
Speaker 1: you go one direction like keep moving, keep moving the
Speaker 1: rope until it eventually breaks. But also, you know what
Speaker 1: side note, this could be a really good strategy. What
Speaker 1: if when you're on a season like this, right you
Speaker 1: make it halfway through, you're on a mini final and
Speaker 1: you're in a team. What if you make your specially
Speaker 1: a season like this where they're trying to keep everyone
Speaker 1: who looks like a liability. In other seasons, you want
Speaker 1: to get out the liability because you might be paired
Speaker 1: with them or partnered with them or whatever. This time
Speaker 1: you want to keep the liability. What if the strategy
Speaker 1: is to sort of make yourself look weak because we
Speaker 1: heard Nari say, oh, I realized Colleen's not a threat anymore.
Speaker 1: So maybe if that takes the target off her back
Speaker 1: and then you skate to the final. Just a thought,
Speaker 1: I say, oh this bingo yatzi, I mean chest not checkers.
Speaker 1: I feel like that could be good strategies, but I
Speaker 1: don't think that's what Colleen's doing. So therefore she's a
Speaker 1: nominee on Timeout, and the other nominee is Jays smack
Speaker 1: talking because Jay's over here talking about how his team like, yes,
Speaker 1: we've got it. We saw this like puzzle, We're gonna
Speaker 1: get it. I can see the disappointment in Kylon's face,
Speaker 1: like all of this stuff at a time, and then
Speaker 1: they do it, and then TJ goes, that is incorrect. Boy,
Speaker 1: don't you know, don't count your chickens before they hatch.
Speaker 1: And then my final nominee would be raven in her math.
Speaker 1: I don't even need to explain it. You guys saw
Speaker 1: the episode. You already know pretty sure. What did she
Speaker 1: say was ten times forty. That's not four thousand, ma'am.
Speaker 1: That's not how that works. She's my nominee, and ultimately
Speaker 1: she is going to get my time out of the week.
Speaker 1: I love Dorry. I think she's so fun. I love her,
Speaker 1: but I can't. And then not even just her saying that,
Speaker 1: but when she was yelling at her team tongue about
Speaker 1: this is what I'm doing. I know what it is,
Speaker 1: and then Corey was like, but wait, He's like, but
Speaker 1: I know it's going to be higher than three hundred
Speaker 1: and ninety, and she was like, oh, because it was
Speaker 1: only four digits. I can't I cannot, So yeah, Dorry
Speaker 1: or Raven gets my time out this week, he gets
Speaker 1: your gold Star day.
Speaker 3: Oh go star.
Speaker 2: Goes up to the Wake it Up Committee because I'm
Speaker 2: telling you, the other side.
Speaker 1: Woke up this week and I'm yappy.
Speaker 2: So first of all, I want to give it to Czara,
Speaker 2: not for being on the Wake it Up Committee, but
Speaker 2: the way in that mini final how she jumped over
Speaker 2: that log. I don't know if you saw it, but
Speaker 2: it was given loura Croft and I was like, yeah.
Speaker 1: B you're a check raider.
Speaker 3: So good.
Speaker 1: It was so good.
Speaker 2: And so I also want to give it to Harassio
Speaker 2: for the conversation he had with Michelle. Michelle was like, hey,
Speaker 2: trying to like plant some seeds and have a conversation,
Speaker 2: and he like, man's in line. It has been drawn
Speaker 2: like save your breads, and I'm like he speaks people,
Speaker 2: He is speaking, Okay, So I'm giving it to him.
Speaker 2: I want to give it to Ed for many reasons.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go in and he's probably gonna be the
Speaker 2: one that actually gets it. I'm gonna give it to
Speaker 2: him because he said, oh did these people just forget
Speaker 2: about what Corey did?
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago. Liked that forget, like, like,
Speaker 1: why is he not like?
Speaker 2: And I thought that was so good to bring that
Speaker 2: up and that I also love the fact that he said, baby,
Speaker 2: I came here to play. So when he changed his
Speaker 2: vote and he said jay or yeah he said Jay,
Speaker 2: I said, come on, let's go. Let's go, because you
Speaker 2: know these people ain't got your back and so let's play.
Speaker 2: So when he did that and he made that made
Speaker 2: it a stalemate, I said, that's my guy. That's my guy. Also,
Speaker 2: even though Kylin is in time out and he gonna
Speaker 2: stay there, but I'm gonna make him a honorable mention
Speaker 2: from my gold Star because of the way that Kylin
Speaker 2: made sure to plant the seed to say, in this
Speaker 2: particular deliberation, if your name comes up, it's because it's
Speaker 2: a possibility that you are expectable. And when he said that,
Speaker 2: I said, Kylie, you better play them, damn scenes. I
Speaker 2: was so proud of him, and I thought that was
Speaker 2: a great move. But ultimately I think I'm gonna give
Speaker 2: it to Ed.
Speaker 1: There we go. I love it Ed the Labordoodle, and
Speaker 1: I have to agree with you a lot of that.
Speaker 1: My nominees for gold Star the first one actually is
Speaker 1: Jay's team strategy.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: I know that they didn't win, and I know he's
Speaker 1: a nominee in Time Out, but when he was like,
Speaker 1: and that's always so risky, right when you are like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna guess, But baby, it worked and it
Speaker 1: worked well. Very smart, great leadership by Jay. I also
Speaker 1: want to nominate Kyland because he's being the mastermind of
Speaker 1: making these moves. I love it and I agree with
Speaker 1: you when he said the you're either expendable. And then
Speaker 1: when Michelle doing her politicking thing, tried to go, well, no,
Speaker 1: there's other reasons, and he was like, you're talking about
Speaker 1: intention versus action, which is true. The intention may be
Speaker 1: I want to help my friend, but by you doing
Speaker 1: and following that intention, you're the action is saying, so
Speaker 1: you're expendable to me so that I can help my friend.
Speaker 3: He was right.
Speaker 1: I think it needed to be said. Shout out to Kyland,
Speaker 1: and then the other nominee for gold Star goes to Arassio.
Speaker 1: Because I don't know if you caught this our silent
Speaker 1: man all right, when James started talking Smack and Nurse
Speaker 1: and James were going back and forth. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you saw Horasio step off that platform and walk
Speaker 1: over to James like hey, now, hey, hey, you chill out. Now, Hey,
Speaker 1: I look I like a man that's gonna protect his woman.
Speaker 1: I get that Nuris is a firecracker, but I also
Speaker 1: understand her being upset and on fire for her man, like,
Speaker 1: I think it's warranted, especially when we see it keep happening,
Speaker 1: and her alliance doesn't seem to care about her feelings
Speaker 1: at all. They just want her to do things for
Speaker 1: them without actually thinking about other people, which I have
Speaker 1: strong feelings about with Es, but another day. Anyway, I
Speaker 1: like seeing Harasio step up unlike well, you know what,
Speaker 1: never mind. I like seeing hi I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: unlike James stepping up from Ryan. I like seeing Harasio
Speaker 1: step up for Nouris in that way. And he did
Speaker 1: it in a very respect like, you know, responsible way,
Speaker 1: but he kind of also let it know, like, hey man,
Speaker 1: you're messing with the wrong one. So I respect that
Speaker 1: so so so much, And so for that, my gold
Speaker 1: Star is actually going to go. It's really close between
Speaker 1: Odossio and Kyland, but I think for the sake of
Speaker 1: the game, it's probably gonna go to Kyland. Because I
Speaker 1: am excited to see these alliance and the dynamics shift.
Speaker 1: I think it's time. I think we're on the cusp
Speaker 1: of that happening. I think when everyone comes out of
Speaker 1: their tier fog, it's going to be really interesting to
Speaker 1: see where the pieces like, are you excited to day?
Speaker 2: I am so excited. I cannot wait to see how
Speaker 2: the rest of this plays out. Because Babe, the people
Speaker 2: that were sleep are up. They don't wipe the drool,
Speaker 2: the eye away, all.
Speaker 3: Of it up.
Speaker 2: I am excited about that. And I am also excited
Speaker 2: about this interview. Oh my goodness. So we are going
Speaker 2: to finally get our opportunity to talk to Corey's best friend.
Speaker 2: I get our opportunity to talk to a soft and
Speaker 2: I cannot wait. Grab your chips, your SODA's, your snacks,
Speaker 2: your water, coffee, tea, whatever it is that is your choice.
Speaker 1: It meet us right back here after this. All right,
Speaker 1: This week on the podcast, we have a very special
Speaker 1: guest who, according to this week's episode, is arguably the
Speaker 1: most beloved player in or who was in this season's
Speaker 1: Challenge House. Please welcome Asaft Goren.
Speaker 3: Hi.
Speaker 1: So I've got to know what why? Because we have
Speaker 1: not seen people shed a tear since this, since Frozen two.
Speaker 1: What exactly why what do you think it is about
Speaker 1: you that had people just so sad to see you
Speaker 1: leave the house?
Speaker 3: Well, I think that just I love people. I think
Speaker 3: my connection with people right now, I think the connection
Speaker 3: with people was the very important for me, just to
Speaker 3: have an experience, to share experiences with the people. You know,
Speaker 3: I don't want to I never like to do things alone,
Speaker 3: to see the world alone, and to go through adventures
Speaker 3: by myself. So maybe that's why I had a good
Speaker 3: connection with people, and it was a real connection. Was
Speaker 3: it was genuine of course, besides the Melissa thing that,
Speaker 3: to be honest, it.
Speaker 1: Wasn't Yeah what's going on with that? Oh yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: getting we saw you put some videos out recently, sir.
Speaker 3: That yeah myself because again, you know, I think again, listen,
Speaker 3: it's on my first TV show. I did over fourteen
Speaker 3: reality shows. It's totally fine. I know what I'm going to. Yeah,
Speaker 3: by the way, I've heard you've been to you went
Speaker 3: to you be on Big Brother?
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I have.
Speaker 3: I won Big Brother Okay, yeah back in Israel, so
Speaker 3: I was like, hey, we're okay, but uh, shit, I
Speaker 3: know these type of games. It's totally I know how
Speaker 3: it goes. And I'm a person that never I'm someone
Speaker 3: that never does something to you, even if you're not
Speaker 3: gonna do something to me, Like I'm not a person
Speaker 3: gonna turn my other cheek to you. I'm not working
Speaker 3: like that. If you're coming for me and you're coming
Speaker 3: from my family and friends, like I'm coming for you.
Speaker 1: So are you implying that Melissa was coming for you?
Speaker 1: Because it seemed like she felt betrayed by you and
Speaker 1: as if you were just watching it.
Speaker 3: It seemed a little bit that right, No, No, one
Speaker 3: hundred listen, there is a reason why for four weeks straight. Sorry,
Speaker 3: like more than that, people are trying to get Melissa
Speaker 3: and Big Tea out. I got nothing against them, by
Speaker 3: the way. I think they're honestly. I spoke to them
Speaker 3: a couple of times. They're they're they're great for me,
Speaker 3: they were very nice. But the moment I felt like
Speaker 3: betrayed by them, and the moment they they for me,
Speaker 3: they did some sneaky stuff, not only for me, for
Speaker 3: everybody against There's a reason people were one in one
Speaker 3: of them out is so I I did whatever it
Speaker 3: takes to do it, like I thought they had my back,
Speaker 3: but then I realized they're not going to be there
Speaker 3: for me. They try to ask me for names to
Speaker 3: they want me to go against an elimination when I
Speaker 3: had the power or the house had the power. They
Speaker 3: never followed through their word and they never really wanted
Speaker 3: to have my back, so they always try to go
Speaker 3: like they always try to get information out of me,
Speaker 3: but he wasn't genuine and yeah, so I went for that.
Speaker 1: And we see Corey come up and given, I know,
Speaker 1: we're kind of jumping around, but before we get into
Speaker 1: sort of the order of this epic episode, we see
Speaker 1: at the end, as people are shedding tears, everyone runs
Speaker 1: down to or most people run down and give you
Speaker 1: a hug goodbye. We even see Corey in that group.
Speaker 1: Now rewind some episodes back and we see this big
Speaker 1: blow up between you and Corey where you know, it
Speaker 1: seems that you feel betrayed by him and he's yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's sort of and we had him on the
Speaker 1: podcast and he's like, look, we were never that close,
Speaker 1: like da da da, So can you speak to that
Speaker 1: of what your expectation experience was around that friendship and
Speaker 1: how you know, did you guys reconcile in the house.
Speaker 3: Yes, of course, of course, Corey was one of my
Speaker 3: best friends before what happened, before it betrayed me and
Speaker 3: even after he got a forgiven let go sometimes even
Speaker 3: in this game, and yeah, he was one of my
Speaker 3: best friends. And by the way, people crying over me
Speaker 3: like this, I I'm sorry, I didn't remember that that
Speaker 3: they cried so much. But I guess he showed really
Speaker 3: the power that I had in this game, and I
Speaker 3: was under kind of under the radar because still people
Speaker 3: didn't think of putting me in to elimination until this point.
Speaker 3: Like besides Corey doing this mistake at the beginning, My
Speaker 3: there is some stuff that you don't see, is that
Speaker 3: I felt like I gathered the American team, like I
Speaker 3: was one of the ones who built it, like they
Speaker 3: were so divided at the beginning, and I was I
Speaker 3: even try to keep Chuancy in the game. Chauncey that
Speaker 3: in the very beginning. It didn't work so well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but at least you put in the effort. What
Speaker 1: are some of the other things, because I feel like
Speaker 1: when we were finished watching this episode, you also said
Speaker 1: you kept saying sort of there were things that they
Speaker 1: didn't show.
Speaker 3: There are things that they didn't know, many, so many.
Speaker 1: The theme of the podcast here is don't overthink, just overshare.
Speaker 1: So can you share some of the additional things that
Speaker 1: we didn't get to see as a viewer that you
Speaker 1: think a really important piece of information for the game?
Speaker 3: This Searon, Honestly, I think my commentary I had so many,
Speaker 3: so much funny commentary. Yeah, I mean CT was aiming
Speaker 3: for me for sure. I mean, I guess other child.
Speaker 3: I was talking to other challenges, other champs while there
Speaker 3: they came. I think Jordan was kind of pissed at me.
Speaker 3: He was throwing some jebs on Twitter. We knew each
Speaker 3: other before, but I was talking a little bit shit
Speaker 3: when he came. What else?
Speaker 1: So basically just a bunch of smack talking. They show
Speaker 1: you doing a lot of smack talking. We see a
Speaker 1: lot of the reads that go on in the daily
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about this week's competition though.
Speaker 1: When you heard that it was going to be the
Speaker 1: mini final, were you stoked by that? Were you a
Speaker 1: little worried? I mean you seem like someone who doesn't
Speaker 1: run from a challenge, like someone that's excited about, you know,
Speaker 1: going up against or doing something that could be challenging.
Speaker 1: So how did you feel when you found out it
Speaker 1: was going to be a mini challenge or minifinal? And
Speaker 1: then how did you feel when you realized who your
Speaker 1: team would be? Were you excited?
Speaker 3: I was? I was very excited. Of course. How many
Speaker 3: listen from someone who got eliminated their on the first
Speaker 3: episode on their first season. For me to run a
Speaker 3: mini final to get to this point, it was so amazing.
Speaker 3: I was so excited. My knee was my knee was
Speaker 3: kind of crap. I twisted my knee like if you
Speaker 3: one challenge one daily before that, and I was still
Speaker 3: I was like, no matter what, I have a chance
Speaker 3: to be part of this amazing mini final. So excited.
Speaker 3: You know. I even got a great team. Physically, not
Speaker 3: so much when it comes to numbers and Matty not
Speaker 3: very good and mad ye honest, high school drop left
Speaker 3: school when I was fifteen. Was never very good with numbers,
Speaker 3: better with spinning on my head and making music. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I was. So it was amazing for me, you know,
Speaker 3: regardless to what happened, regardless that I'm not in the
Speaker 3: game right now, geez, I'm so blessed to be part
Speaker 3: of this beautiful competition. Yeah, and do it again and again.
Speaker 1: Do you feel that you came in because your last
Speaker 1: season was total madness, right and a lot of these
Speaker 1: other challengers have come from more recent seasons. Do you
Speaker 1: feel that there was a that you had a disadvantage there?
Speaker 1: Did you feel like, what was it like during the
Speaker 1: off time? You know, where have you been training kind
Speaker 1: of keeping an eye out to come back to the challenge?
Speaker 1: Like what was your feeling coming into the house and
Speaker 1: seeing all these new people?
Speaker 3: Well, I wasn't really planning to go on the challenge,
Speaker 3: Yes I was. I love I'm a fan of the
Speaker 3: show anyway, so I would watch the show and stuff.
Speaker 3: But you know, time, like life goes on and I
Speaker 3: became a father, I moved back to the United States.
Speaker 3: I have my family hope, like me, my wife and
Speaker 3: my son over here. I have built a music studio.
Speaker 3: I'm a full time music producer. There's nothing to do
Speaker 3: with the physical. I'm a I'm part of the RuPaul's
Speaker 3: drag Race is a pet crew. So there's nothing really wow, Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's nothing really that involved, like too much of the
Speaker 3: like challenge oriented.
Speaker 1: But I mean you're very in shape, though is off.
Speaker 1: So clearly you're at least working because you there's not
Speaker 1: a muscle out of place. You clearly are very face. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and stay active in your day to day I'm guessing
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, ndred percent. But I mean, like just because
Speaker 3: you're like you're trained, that doesn't mean you're trained for
Speaker 3: the challenge. It's so different. So right, like you could
Speaker 3: see Chauncey, one of the fittest guys I've ever seen,
Speaker 3: on the challenge, Like, no, he wasn't ready for the
Speaker 3: challenge at all.
Speaker 1: Well mainly his political game play. But we've talked about
Speaker 1: Chancey P. Jordan about that.
Speaker 3: I think I got you. I got you. No, I
Speaker 3: always this point like, yeah, listen, I would go on
Speaker 3: the challenge even like even if I'm not ready physically
Speaker 3: or mansonally. I love this game so much, like I'm
Speaker 3: a fan. I'm a fan. And but again, I think
Speaker 3: what was different in you asking him why people are crying?
Speaker 3: I think when I left is I was I know
Speaker 3: how people have been playing this game, and people a
Speaker 3: lot of people have been playing this game from a
Speaker 3: perspective of like they're gonna do whatever he takes to
Speaker 3: get a call back, like I didn't give a ship
Speaker 3: and I still don't. Don't give me a call back,
Speaker 3: like I'm not looking for the call back I'm looking
Speaker 3: for for me. There's one season. I'm on. One season.
Speaker 3: I mean, do the best as I that I can
Speaker 3: for this season. Only whatever gonna happen right after that,
Speaker 3: well it doesn't matter even like, yeah.
Speaker 1: Living in very much in the moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't care if they call you again for
Speaker 2: another season or not.
Speaker 3: Listen, I know if they call me great, If they
Speaker 3: don't call me great, I'm sure it's going to be
Speaker 3: a great season regardless without me. They know how to
Speaker 3: do good TV. But again, if they call me again,
Speaker 3: I'll be happy. If not, I'll be happy to it's
Speaker 3: all good.
Speaker 1: Who do you specifically think played the game so far
Speaker 1: without giving away any spoilers, Who do you think is
Speaker 1: playing the best game right now? And who do you
Speaker 1: think is playing the worst game right now? You know,
Speaker 1: sort of physically but also really like politically and socially.
Speaker 3: Who I love how Jay's playing. He's being a little
Speaker 3: Jay started kind of like in a comfortable situation position
Speaker 3: and then he started like playing the game good. I
Speaker 3: love who else I think, Well, I think Kyland was
Speaker 3: doing whatever he takes to stay in the game. It
Speaker 3: was licking, was licking up as much as he.
Speaker 1: Could, licking up as much as he could.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god, yo yo.
Speaker 4: The moment Melissa laughed, the dude started licking up to everybody,
Speaker 4: it was so funny, like what's going on?
Speaker 3: Dude?
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, do you mean when he had the funeral,
Speaker 1: when he wore the shirt and was like that my
Speaker 1: relationship is dead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, even and stuff like it was hilarious.
Speaker 1: I have a question for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as someone who's played this game, I want to
Speaker 2: know your input on who do you think what would
Speaker 2: you consider a champ? Someone who orchestrates in the background
Speaker 2: and just kind of has everyone else to do their
Speaker 2: dirty work, or someone who actually gets into the pit,
Speaker 2: into the eliminations and fights to make it to the end.
Speaker 1: I know where you're going.
Speaker 3: I do both of them because I think the beauty
Speaker 3: in this game used to do both is the is
Speaker 3: the social part and also the physical part and and
Speaker 3: the to be brave and risky. It's all of that.
Speaker 3: You can look you can be a champ. You can
Speaker 3: literally be a champ without going through elimination right without
Speaker 3: doing without doing Like literally, look at Turbo at his season,
Speaker 3: he wasn't doing any He was winning some dailies, but
Speaker 3: he wasn't going through eliminations, or he didn't orchestrated any
Speaker 3: moves or planned anything. Right.
Speaker 2: Well, I played with Turbo, so I got to see
Speaker 2: some behind the scenes Withdeh one of the worlds.
Speaker 1: Turbo had a mouth.
Speaker 2: Turbo definitely had a mouth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I got you. So I'm saying I'll say
Speaker 3: both both. You gotta if you want to be a
Speaker 3: real champ, take some risks. And I think if you
Speaker 3: want to win this game, you got to take the
Speaker 3: risks you might lose in this game and in elimination.
Speaker 3: And of course it's fun to get the money to
Speaker 3: go through uh, throughout this through all this game, through
Speaker 3: a whole season without going into elimination. I wouldn't want
Speaker 3: to do it. I wanted to go through elimination. And
Speaker 3: whenever Cet was looking at me like I'm listen we
Speaker 3: were standing out there on the stage set, was looking
Speaker 3: at me like I'm double cheeseburger with fries on the side,
Speaker 3: it was aiming for me. I was happy. I was
Speaker 3: happy I wasn't. I wasn't scared. I wasn't And you
Speaker 3: know what, even if it would be a hull brawl
Speaker 3: or anything physical, I was down for that.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on the stalemate even happening? So
Speaker 1: before we knew it was CT, before we knew he
Speaker 1: was gonna call you, you know, there seemed to be different
Speaker 1: opinions amongst taking the route of the stalemate, right, So
Speaker 1: like Zaza was trying to warn everybody that, hey, TJ's unhinged,
Speaker 1: do you really want to put it in TJ's hands?
Speaker 1: And Corey who sort of took her up on that
Speaker 1: in the sense where he we see in the episode
Speaker 1: he's like, I don't want to be you know, like
Speaker 1: I don't want to be at risk because of a stalemate.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to remove my vote, which seemed like
Speaker 1: a smart play. And then Ed, because Ed is chaotic,
Speaker 1: Ed Ed the Golden Retriever the Labradoodle, was like, ah,
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and make a cast. Yeah, So what
Speaker 1: was your feeling about that? Did you want this is
Speaker 1: again before we knew it was CT, before we knewgu
Speaker 1: did you think it was smarter? Did you want to
Speaker 1: do the stalemate? Or would you at the time, did
Speaker 1: you think it was smarter to like have a name.
Speaker 3: First of all, Nourice was me and Nourice. We had
Speaker 3: an agreement that how she was my number one by
Speaker 3: the way, just letting you know, interesting, Okay, Nurice was
Speaker 3: my number one, Michelle number two. And throughout the season
Speaker 3: she always told me like we were the Fantastic four.
Speaker 3: She told me that I'm her number one, and because
Speaker 3: Michelle's number one is j so she got to have
Speaker 3: number one. But look, things changed. Of course, by the way,
Speaker 3: what happened was because of her she chose. She basically
Speaker 3: backstepped me and Jay. We had multiple meetings. I made
Speaker 3: sure that I'm always her number one until the I
Speaker 3: think the episode this episode, she was like, hey, you
Speaker 3: for sure my top three? What do you mean top three?
Speaker 3: I thought you you always told me I'm your top one.
Speaker 3: What happened? What change? Well?
Speaker 1: She started making out in dancing. What do you think?
Speaker 3: So hey, listen, Jay getting pissed on on Nourice. It
Speaker 3: makes it totally makes sense. And I'm telling you from
Speaker 3: behind the scenes. She promised us, She promised us like
Speaker 3: she she's never gonna break it. She said, always like,
Speaker 3: there's a game, and there's a there's life and there
Speaker 3: is game. There's friends and there is the game, and
Speaker 3: the game is different than real life. So she played
Speaker 3: the game and then she played us.
Speaker 1: So but well, as if you were watching it, it
Speaker 1: seems like like Jay and particularly Jay Michelle even you
Speaker 1: didn't create space for the fact that she clearly has
Speaker 1: this very strong bond with Hirasio. So it almost seemed
Speaker 1: like you guys expected her to fall in line and
Speaker 1: keep being your pawn or doing your work without making
Speaker 1: space for the same way people made space for Jay
Speaker 1: and Michelle's relationship. Right, So it's like, oh, I know,
Speaker 1: if I'm protecting Jay by default, I have to look
Speaker 1: out for Michelle because they're number ones and vice versa.
Speaker 1: It didn't feel like you guys were creating the same
Speaker 1: space for the Reese. I'm not saying that's right or wrong,
Speaker 1: but but I have a question around, you know, do
Speaker 1: you see how it might be perceived that way or
Speaker 1: do you guys feel in the house you were trying
Speaker 1: to at least be mindful of the fact that, hey,
Speaker 1: she looks like she's basically falling in love with herassio.
Speaker 1: Obviously she's gonna want to keep him safe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the answer is no. We always made sure
Speaker 3: that we always well, yeah, we made sure that everything
Speaker 3: is clear, and I always went and checked on her.
Speaker 3: I was even worried at some point, worried about what,
Speaker 3: like about her fall in love with Orasco and my my,
Speaker 3: you know where I'm standing in in there, like if
Speaker 3: I'm still her number one and stuff. So I kept
Speaker 3: asking her, So you're.
Speaker 1: Worried about yourself and her falling in love with Rosco,
Speaker 1: not worried about her. So you worried about you.
Speaker 3: I just want to make sure of course. Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: oh my god, she was trying. It's beautiful because now
Speaker 3: they were together, but she was trying hard for Rascio.
Speaker 1: Of course, do you blame her? I mean just meaning
Speaker 1: that if you go so when.
Speaker 3: You cared about Don't get me wrong, no, I.
Speaker 1: Don't mean like, I don't mean like whether or not
Speaker 1: you date him. I just mean like if someone you
Speaker 1: care about, you know, you start caring about or whatever.
Speaker 1: In the house. I mean, heck, we see half the
Speaker 1: house going hard for you in a way because of
Speaker 1: the emotions that they showed when you left. So like
Speaker 1: clearly they cared about you, And I'm sure you had
Speaker 1: some of those friendships going in, but some of them
Speaker 1: I'm guessing you made while in the house, right, Like
Speaker 1: people grew to love you and.
Speaker 3: I met everyone for the first time in the house
Speaker 3: I never met them before instead of ja Wow.
Speaker 2: So then what was this blood coming in with Corey then,
Speaker 2: because on your end, it seemed as if like that
Speaker 2: was like your friend friend for real friend Corey was
Speaker 2: like when he was on the Yeah, and Corey came
Speaker 2: on the podcast and he basically was just like I
Speaker 2: just met him. So I don't understand what this was about.
Speaker 3: What he said, I'm going to kill him. What are
Speaker 3: you talking about? You said that on the podcast. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna call him. No. No, me and Corey, we didn't
Speaker 3: just meet like we were friends. I love to do
Speaker 3: with It was one of the closest people to me
Speaker 3: in the game, you know what, one of the top
Speaker 3: two or three.
Speaker 1: Wait, but you're saying you didn't just meet but I
Speaker 1: thought you met everyone in the house like you met everyone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean in the game. Yeah, we were
Speaker 3: like two weeks, but you know, two weeks in the
Speaker 3: house is like like two months, right, two years? Yeah,
Speaker 3: come on, we all know that we've been there. It
Speaker 3: was still for two weeks, it was one of the
Speaker 3: closest to me, and still, you know what, even here's
Speaker 3: the thing, he had to admit that he made a
Speaker 3: mistake and the game played him a little bit, because again,
Speaker 3: it wasn't close to other people than me. It wasn't
Speaker 3: close to j to James, it wasn't close closer to
Speaker 3: Horacio Kylan. He wasn't closer to so many people, and
Speaker 3: then they chose me. I think it was the path
Speaker 3: of least resistance. That's why. That's what he thought. He
Speaker 3: didn't understand how strong I mean, like, how good politically
Speaker 3: I mean politically in the game. That's why you were listen.
Speaker 3: It happened. That's weird. He didn't say, and he didn't
Speaker 3: regret it. But anyway, I love him. I love him anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he made it very clear that he said
Speaker 2: that you said he was your best friend, but he
Speaker 2: said he never once said.
Speaker 3: You were his.
Speaker 1: Nah.
Speaker 3: Nah, that's a lie. Come on, that's a lie. Come on, Corey,
Speaker 3: that's a podcast. You have to tell the truth. What's
Speaker 3: going on on the podcast. You have to tell the truth.
Speaker 3: You don't have to play the game anymore. He does
Speaker 3: not see that's real life. Oh shit, I'm like listen,
Speaker 3: and Corey cried to me after that and and everything.
Speaker 3: He said that he's sorry the game played him and
Speaker 3: he lost himself and all that, and I hugged him
Speaker 3: and he told good for me. A week and he's
Speaker 3: courshed the beef right after. But of course, don't feel
Speaker 3: bad a Sotoff.
Speaker 1: He did that to us on the podcast too, and
Speaker 1: then afterwards was in Twitter beef with people like two
Speaker 1: weeks later, so so yeah, yeah, so he he, well
Speaker 1: he when he came on the podcast, he just said
Speaker 1: he realizes things that he didn't love that he did
Speaker 1: in the game, blah blah. But then he like doubled
Speaker 1: down on it on Twitter like a couple of weeks later.
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, he's hilarious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no beef. There's no beef with Corey anymore.
Speaker 3: There's no beef.
Speaker 1: Okay, we got to take a quick break, but we'll
Speaker 1: be right back after this. Is there beef between you
Speaker 1: and anyone in the house now, like after the game's over?
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, there's no beef. Listen, I'm after that game.
Speaker 3: Let's be in the game, of course. Let's by the way,
Speaker 3: what I'm saying on Twitter is just to listen. I
Speaker 3: have to speak up. I have to tell my side
Speaker 3: when the editing is not is not showing it. And
Speaker 3: and again.
Speaker 1: I admitted you talk a lot of smack in your
Speaker 1: talking heads right on your interviews.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like funny stuff. But but but but also
Speaker 3: explaining more of my side and the reason and the
Speaker 3: reasons for the reasons for my actions. But yeah, there's
Speaker 3: no bad block between me and or. Of course, there's
Speaker 3: a bad bab between me and Melissa, big T and Kyland,
Speaker 3: of course.
Speaker 1: But I didn't know it was a four situation.
Speaker 3: I thought it was just you.
Speaker 1: It's a new fantastic for I don't know.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's a vicious for Oh my god.
Speaker 1: How did it roll over to big T and Kyland?
Speaker 2: Is it like you and Kylon and them two, or
Speaker 2: like you have beef with Kylon as well?
Speaker 3: Well? Kylin twitter that he literally saw me and Melissa
Speaker 3: sitting down and I promise both of them that I'm
Speaker 3: never going to say her name because my wife will
Speaker 3: kill me. I never said that, yes, or I maybe
Speaker 3: said that that. I don't remember. And then I said
Speaker 3: it in it and honestly, listen, not hold on, not you.
Speaker 1: Going I never said that, and then going, maybe I did,
Speaker 1: and I just don't remember.
Speaker 3: Because I'm a human being. If I made a mistake, listen,
Speaker 3: there are stuff that I don't remember, and if there is,
Speaker 3: it happened, and you can prove it, I'm gonna say
Speaker 3: I'm sorry again. I'm a human being and a like
Speaker 3: if if you're not men or woman enough to say hey,
Speaker 3: there's there's a possibility that I'm wrong, you already put
Speaker 3: yourself in a place that you're a liar.
Speaker 1: So listen, did you tell her that I don't listen.
Speaker 3: I never told them both, sitting them both with them
Speaker 3: and telling them, listen, I will never put you in
Speaker 3: the I'll never said that. With me and Melissa, we
Speaker 3: had one agreement and that is on the day one
Speaker 3: of the show that if we hear each other's name,
Speaker 3: we're gonna let each other's know. Right. It was never
Speaker 3: next to Kylin And he's made making up stories. That's
Speaker 3: why I'm telling you. He was licking up. He tried
Speaker 3: to work with me, he said he he said he's sorry.
Speaker 3: He was planning to call my wife to tell her
Speaker 3: he's sorry for mentioning her.
Speaker 1: Wait, he said that.
Speaker 3: I was so close to me. Listen, I told him listen.
Speaker 3: He said, Okay, I'm gonna call your wife and I'm
Speaker 3: gonna say that I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm telling you. You
Speaker 3: can ask anyone you that. And that's something really happened.
Speaker 3: We were sitting outside and I told him, if you
Speaker 3: want to start a war with me, let's go. I don't.
Speaker 3: I'm not scared. I'm all out for that, and uh
Speaker 3: he said, listen, no problem. Was like, listen, you really
Speaker 3: want to you wanna finish that the whole beef with me,
Speaker 3: Call my wife and tell her you're sorry. He said,
Speaker 3: no problem, I'm gonna do it, and he really listened.
Speaker 3: Kylin didn't mention my mother. And I'm sorry for saying
Speaker 3: like I snapped because I thought I heard the word mother,
Speaker 3: so I thought he was talking about my mother. Again.
Speaker 3: I'm not perfect, especially when English is not my first language.
Speaker 3: But I heard the word mother. I snapped. But he
Speaker 3: did mention my wife, and he was going under my skin.
Speaker 3: I think that's how you say it. He got under
Speaker 3: my skin with this one, and uh, yeah, that's why
Speaker 3: I snapped. And it was very emotional. It was after
Speaker 3: my first wing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's and look, that's totally understandable people do that.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about this mini final. So
Speaker 1: we see the the first piece where you're like going
Speaker 1: against the rope, and we see you directing as though
Speaker 1: you were a conductor. I appreciate the representation of your
Speaker 1: music background there as you're directing them to.
Speaker 3: Try it, and you can see it.
Speaker 1: Cut the ropes on the bat and that.
Speaker 3: They did. They put some music they did. Okay, they
Speaker 3: did this one anyway. Yeah, you gotta orchestrate. Shit, Hey,
Speaker 3: you gotta have rhythm when you have to cut the
Speaker 3: rope and you have to do it in the as
Speaker 3: you need a team work to do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So how are you feeling about that challenge so far? Like,
Speaker 1: did you feel confident in your team that you guys
Speaker 1: were going to be able to, you know, take a
Speaker 1: win or were you were there any other teams that
Speaker 1: you were sizing up.
Speaker 3: Well, you're so exhausted and you're it's hot, You're so
Speaker 3: tired and humid and beautiful at the same time. Did
Speaker 3: you don't think about other people? You only think about yourself?
Speaker 3: You think about your team and to make them to
Speaker 3: keep them in the you know, in a in a
Speaker 3: in a good spirit. I always I was only worried.
Speaker 3: I remember, I was only worried about Olivia. So because
Speaker 3: she almost died, her cardio was wasn't very good.
Speaker 1: Oh, when she was gassing out, when she was tired,
Speaker 1: Yes she was. It looked like she was powering through
Speaker 1: it though, compared to Colleen, who really seemed to struggle
Speaker 1: in the competition. I mean, we even hear Naris say like, oh,
Speaker 1: now I realize Colleen's not the competition that I thought
Speaker 1: she was, whereas we see Olivia tired, but you know
Speaker 1: they show her power. Yeah, that she's she's a fighter.
Speaker 3: She Yeah, well, from what I remember, we could do
Speaker 3: it even way we can do it. We could do
Speaker 3: it faster if Olivia would just go on the trademills
Speaker 3: at least once a week. But she did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to tell her that there, And are you still
Speaker 1: friends with Olivia today?
Speaker 3: I'm good with everybody. I'm not in touch with so
Speaker 3: many people. Like here's the thing, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Some people are trying to get a callback and try
Speaker 3: to make like a like vacation friends and to stay
Speaker 3: in the like being a vacation alliance. Vacation alliance. Yes,
Speaker 3: that's how I think. That's how you say. I'm not
Speaker 3: a dad. I'm just a music producer who lives in
Speaker 3: LA and have with my family and I have a
Speaker 3: very simple life and nothing more than that. I'm just
Speaker 3: producing music for people and making music in my studio.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 1: Like, what was it like working with Hirasio, even though
Speaker 1: he's on the opposite side.
Speaker 3: It was good. Hey, I know his cardio is fantastic.
Speaker 3: It was fun. I knew. Well. I think this minifinal
Speaker 3: just exposed both of us for not being very good
Speaker 3: with numbers. Squares yeah, sheees, Yeah, we just we're just
Speaker 3: we're just not good with numbers. We might be good
Speaker 3: with cardio and running and physical stuff, but we're not
Speaker 3: good with numbers at all. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was a good showing up until that
Speaker 1: point though. I mean, you guys were powering. You guys
Speaker 1: looked like the team to beat for a very long
Speaker 1: time and looked and I know you said you felt
Speaker 1: like Olivia needs to hit the treadmill more or whatever,
Speaker 1: but you guys were powering through. Yeah, very very well.
Speaker 1: It wasn't until you got to the mental stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. I think this this minifinal exposed
Speaker 3: that a Rassio is not that competitor that everyone got
Speaker 3: he was. Yeah, he is very good with the physical
Speaker 3: stuff because he's an athlete. But listen, do you really
Speaker 3: got what he takes to be a challenge champion because
Speaker 3: it's not only physical. And hey, I'm not talking. I'm
Speaker 3: not trying to be a hater or something.
Speaker 1: Of course, not he's again, it sounds a little like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, he's he's great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds at I was just saying I'm not
Speaker 3: good with numbers, but hey, I guess is not good
Speaker 3: with numbers too. And I because a lot of people
Speaker 3: targeted in targeted Hourrasio and they thought he's like he's
Speaker 3: a threat. And listen, on the challenge. You gotta be
Speaker 3: good at both. You gotta be good with everything. You
Speaker 3: gotta be good mentally physically, numbers, math, literally everything puzzles
Speaker 3: and uh, if you're not good in one thing, hey,
Speaker 3: it'll be a disadvantage.
Speaker 1: For you in who are the people in order? Who
Speaker 1: would you say are the top three guys that you
Speaker 1: think have that combination of skill set like that you
Speaker 1: think are the best potential competitors in the house this season.
Speaker 1: So let's do your top three guys, and then I'd
Speaker 1: love to hear your top three women as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, okay, for sure, I would say for sure,
Speaker 3: for sure, J for sure. J is very smart j
Speaker 3: J manueal ed Yeah.
Speaker 1: And who your top three girls?
Speaker 3: Well, Burner, I'll say for sure, physical and Moriah and
Speaker 3: Geez I don't remember. Oh, what's her name? Raven? Raven? Who?
Speaker 3: I think Raven is a beast?
Speaker 1: Okay, So no one in the Fantastic four except.
Speaker 3: I think Michelle just lagging the physical stuff again, that's
Speaker 3: what I feel. Oh, Nourice good too. Actually, shit, I
Speaker 3: forgot I would put in the Reese number three or four.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: I would love to know.
Speaker 2: Let's take J out of the equation because I feel
Speaker 2: like JA would be your answer. So I just want
Speaker 2: to pull him out right now outside of JH. Now
Speaker 2: now that you're out, no spoilers, right now, that you're
Speaker 2: out of the game, who did you leave the game?
Speaker 2: Saying I hope this person wins.
Speaker 1: Take J out?
Speaker 3: Take J out? Who Corey friend? My friend? I had
Speaker 3: good friends. Hey, Emanuel is a brother. Ed is a brother.
Speaker 3: But when I really think about it, I want Corey.
Speaker 3: I wanted Corey to win. And from the from from
Speaker 3: the man.
Speaker 1: What said Corey above the wreck? Because you just said
Speaker 1: the other two of your brothers, So like, what about
Speaker 1: Corey was the thing that made you say I'm really
Speaker 1: rooting for him the most?
Speaker 3: Like, well, here's the thing. Corey made tons of mistakes.
Speaker 3: It's so real life, Like in real life, you're you're
Speaker 3: like life putting positions that you're got to be an
Speaker 3: idiot sometimes and if not, you're just a boring person.
Speaker 3: You're just like a machine. So it was acting like
Speaker 3: an idiot in this game, and it's okay. And he
Speaker 3: said sorry and he made mistakes. You got a lot
Speaker 3: of hate at the beginning, and then people forget forgive him,
Speaker 3: and then and I think, I want Corey to do
Speaker 3: that to win. If it's not gonna be Jay, I
Speaker 3: wanted him to do it.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. We get CT Finally we've been waiting.
Speaker 1: We've been waiting and waiting and waiting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was hoping. I was hoping this is gonna
Speaker 3: be physical stuff, but.
Speaker 1: No, you wanted to go head to head with CT.
Speaker 3: A hundred percent. What do you think, like how many
Speaker 3: times I have that the like the chance to go
Speaker 3: against the best of like the champ of all champions
Speaker 3: for real?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what you thought you beat him?
Speaker 3: Listen when I think, I think if it was a
Speaker 3: ball no like it would it would it would make
Speaker 3: me his girlfriend out there in the arena in like decades.
Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, but I'm up for the experience.
Speaker 3: I'm up for the for the challenge. I'm up for
Speaker 3: you know, I've already in.
Speaker 1: The windows draw. You just want to play.
Speaker 3: I wanted to play, and I wanted to have like listen,
Speaker 3: what if I win in a physical stuff? I don't
Speaker 3: know how, but you know, even though, like looking back,
Speaker 3: it's a great experience to go against a champion like CT.
Speaker 3: He has so much experience. You've been doing this for
Speaker 3: such a long time. And for me, like I grew
Speaker 3: up watching him like for real, ad to she I was.
Speaker 3: I used to watch a challenge back in Israel, like
Speaker 3: in some sort of like a weird Chinese website that
Speaker 3: you know, because it's not working in websites in Israel.
Speaker 3: So listen, I love this show so much and CT
Speaker 3: is one of the faces like of the show, and
Speaker 3: to go against him is a is an honor. So
Speaker 3: for me to go to go out like this in
Speaker 3: a math equation that, by the way, it took us
Speaker 3: over two hours in the arena. Really yeah, the math equations.
Speaker 3: We couldn't. We couldn't solve it for two hours.
Speaker 1: This is the It took y'all two hours to solve it.
Speaker 3: At least at least.
Speaker 1: I wonder why CT looked tired at the end. It's
Speaker 1: because it took.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, this is not the This is not
Speaker 3: the elimination that you want to go out against the
Speaker 3: champion like CT. Of course, for him who gives a ship,
Speaker 3: he won, he won, like But for me, I was like, hey,
Speaker 3: if I have to go against the champion of all champions,
Speaker 3: let me do something. Let's go and do something crazy.
Speaker 3: Let's go do let me break something.
Speaker 1: Stuck on the two hours of sorry, I just I like,
Speaker 1: I get I get the like prime numbers thing, I
Speaker 1: get the and you but you have the group. Also.
Speaker 1: We see Jay, who we know is smart, yelling, and
Speaker 1: we see like Ky yelling. But Jay isn't actually yelling
Speaker 1: anything helpful. He's just yelling clear's rooting for you and
Speaker 1: it was helping you a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So here's the thing, shout. You only see them at
Speaker 3: the first five minutes helping me kind of helping me. Like,
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've seen any elimination the house
Speaker 3: because we have to keep the ten thousand dollars. They
Speaker 3: all we all helping each other, right because it's everyone.
Speaker 1: Now Big Tea, we didn't see y'all helping on that one.
Speaker 3: Which one Big T. No, we even we screamed toil
Speaker 3: Big t on stop even to Big T to Melissa No,
Speaker 3: but Melissa definitely. No, we didn't scream anything. But I
Speaker 3: didn't give a ship.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, okay, got yeah, okay, And what was your strategy
Speaker 1: es off? Like did you pull all the numbers out first?
Speaker 1: Because we see you guys going back and forth, you know,
Speaker 1: like pulling out there's different.
Speaker 3: Like the numbers are. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I do
Speaker 3: know what Sorry.
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah oh really yeah, well we learned it.
Speaker 1: In school and like when we're young, but people don't
Speaker 1: remember that, like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I wasn't in school, but yeah, so I didn't know
Speaker 3: about that. I just tried. I tried to guess. I
Speaker 3: try to calculating in my mind.
Speaker 5: He took us so long, listen such a long time,
Speaker 5: and uh it was and he was boring even I
Speaker 5: think it's some point I was like, fuck this shit, Like, hey, CT,
Speaker 5: you want to you want to start wrestle or something.
Speaker 1: Why do you think CT picked you?
Speaker 3: I think because he doesn't know me. Of course he
Speaker 3: did a great it was right. He did a good choice.
Speaker 3: But he'll never pick J because he knew J would
Speaker 3: be him and he knows the other guys as well.
Speaker 3: I'm the only one listened from a from an outside perspective, like,
Speaker 3: he doesn't make sense that the production brought me back
Speaker 3: to the challenge. I was the only one who got
Speaker 3: eliminated on their first episode on their first season.
Speaker 1: No, you're not. You're the only one in this season
Speaker 1: that that's happened to you. But you're not the only
Speaker 1: person that that's happened to that's been invited back.
Speaker 3: No, no, on this season. I'm talking yeah, yeah, But like
Speaker 3: in general.
Speaker 1: It means they saw something in you back then and
Speaker 1: they wanted to bring you back for all that you
Speaker 1: contributed this season to the show, which was a lot
Speaker 1: You're definitely a key player and everything that was going on.
Speaker 1: If you when you come back, I'm not even saying
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna say when you get a call.
Speaker 3: Back, you even want to get a call back?
Speaker 1: Is there anything?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I was there anything you would do differently about your
Speaker 1: gat Like what did you learn from this season that
Speaker 1: you would apply to your future gameplay?
Speaker 3: On my future gameplay, I'd be honest with you. I
Speaker 3: feel like I did. I was. I learned a lot
Speaker 3: from Jay and Michelle because they know how to control themselves.
Speaker 3: I'm more of a I'll do what I don't give
Speaker 3: a shit. I'm like there there were so many times
Speaker 3: that I wanted to offer, like propose myself up for elimination,
Speaker 3: because I'm more of a risk taker and Jay and
Speaker 3: Michelle are more like calculated. They're like, no, the most
Speaker 3: important thing is to get to the finals and then
Speaker 3: do whatever the fuck you want, but make sure you
Speaker 3: get to the finals so you have a better chance
Speaker 3: to win the money in hell your family. I'm like, true,
Speaker 3: but like, where's the where's the fun of it?
Speaker 1: Like what you wanted a little chaos?
Speaker 3: I wanted a chaos and without Jan Michelle, I would offer,
Speaker 3: I would jump right in when Devin came.
Speaker 2: Well, you wanted the chaos and you got it, sweetie,
Speaker 2: you got it.
Speaker 1: You got it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yet I got it, and I'm happy. Listen, I'm happy.
Speaker 3: It's so good. It's so good. And by the way,
Speaker 3: fuck Devin, Fuck this dude, what fuck him?
Speaker 1: What do you do?
Speaker 3: Fuck him for? Really?
Speaker 1: There was some Twitter beef, okay, but explains that's coming
Speaker 1: from for the listeners who don't know what is there?
Speaker 1: What's your line? Why are you mad at Devin?
Speaker 3: He started talking shit about me on Twitter, saiding that
Speaker 3: I'm a fraud and it's kind of funny that because
Speaker 3: he said there's nothing to compare me in a soft
Speaker 3: and like that and that and that he said that
Speaker 3: my music sucks, which is I know he's a fan
Speaker 3: because I know he's watching, he's listening to my music,
Speaker 3: So thank you, Evan. But besides that, you bitch, like
Speaker 3: he knows he's part of the show for such a
Speaker 3: long time, and he knows that he never heard my
Speaker 3: side of the story. So being him getting involved in
Speaker 3: something that is not even I'm like and I'm like, chill, Devin,
Speaker 3: You're gonna get a call back.
Speaker 1: Chill, like, I think he knows he's gonna get a
Speaker 1: call back exactly though.
Speaker 3: I think that when I'm down, like, it's easier to
Speaker 3: people to go to go against me and to pick
Speaker 3: me as the as a villain or something which I
Speaker 3: don't give a shit like interesting, like, and I wrote
Speaker 3: him back, and I'm saying this for everybody to hear it.
Speaker 3: If I'm coming back, I only coming back if Devin
Speaker 3: is on the same season as I am is on
Speaker 3: the same season, and he's gonna agree that me and
Speaker 3: him were gonna go into elimination the first the very
Speaker 3: first elimination of the episode. I don't care. Let's go
Speaker 3: like the.
Speaker 1: Game is not usually set up that way, but I
Speaker 1: appreciate the positive spirit and outlook on that. What do
Speaker 1: you think is going to happen with your alliance next?
Speaker 3: With my alliance? I don't know, because it's kind of broken.
Speaker 3: The Reice kind of kind of stepped them in the
Speaker 3: back like Nourice stabbed our alliance in the back basically.
Speaker 3: And I understand the game is changing. It is what
Speaker 3: it is. But if they're coming for you, don't be surprised,
Speaker 3: like you know.
Speaker 1: If they're coming for the res next.
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know, I haven't been there, but they
Speaker 3: better go because if I would be there, I would
Speaker 3: go for the ree Yeah. Ok, yeah she she Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well everyone was very very sad to see you go.
Speaker 2: Was that at least comforting for you to know that,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm leaving this game with so much love
Speaker 2: still in the house even though you're not getting the money. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're still living with a lot of love and a
Speaker 2: lot of memories.
Speaker 1: How did that feel?
Speaker 3: It felt? It sucks, But at the same time you
Speaker 3: got to say, uh, you got to appreciate and say uh,
Speaker 3: to be grateful for the bad as much as you
Speaker 3: grateful for for the for the good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it did it warm your heart that people?
Speaker 1: Did it warm your heart in that moment to see
Speaker 1: people who some of whom we hadn't seen emotional all season,
Speaker 1: to literally tear up and run down to you. And
Speaker 1: even TJ said, you know, I haven't seen the house
Speaker 1: this sad this season? Like, did that in that moment?
Speaker 1: I know there was a lot going on probably in
Speaker 1: running through your mind, but did you feel like, did
Speaker 1: you feel the love they have for you in that moment?
Speaker 3: Yes? It warms my heart and it feels good, you know,
Speaker 3: every we all love, we all want to be loved
Speaker 3: at some point. And by the way, I'm getting so
Speaker 3: much hate, so much hate lately, and it feels good
Speaker 3: when I see people, when I see the rest of
Speaker 3: the the house, like, you know, being emotional and giving
Speaker 3: me love.
Speaker 1: And loving on you. Yeah, and I'm I'm glad that
Speaker 1: we got to hear that we don't we don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to be clear, we don't condone anyone hating on
Speaker 2: anybody for any reason, So that's not welcomed over here.
Speaker 2: So I do hope that you can get the love
Speaker 2: and appreciation from people online, in life and just across
Speaker 2: the board. We love you, and we thank you for
Speaker 2: coming to hang out with us on the podcast like
Speaker 2: you've been such a gem and such a treasure. I
Speaker 2: have a question for you. Where can the people find
Speaker 2: you on social fidose who want to sell you to
Speaker 2: send you love?
Speaker 3: Yes, you can find you at a S A F
Speaker 3: G O R E N A softogoran one on all
Speaker 3: social media. Hit me up free beats. I can send
Speaker 3: you some free beats if you want.
Speaker 2: All right, free beats for the people.
Speaker 1: Sure, well, thank you so much. Asoff and You were
Speaker 1: definitely a valuable asset to this season of the show.
Speaker 1: I am sure you will be asked back for sure, uh,
Speaker 1: because you brought it all and yeah it was. It
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been the same season without you. So hate
Speaker 1: that your time ended here, but I know that we
Speaker 1: will see you again, and thank you so much for
Speaker 1: coming on the podcast.
Speaker 3: Let yeah, thank you for the time. Guys.
Speaker 1: That was a great interview. So good. All right, if
Speaker 1: people day want to keep up on your maybe they
Speaker 1: just want to express their feelings about all the heat
Speaker 1: that was brought in this week's episode of the challenge.
Speaker 1: Where can they find you on social.
Speaker 2: You can find me on Twitter at day Davon Underscore,
Speaker 2: Instagram Davon Diane Underscore.
Speaker 1: And TikTok at Day Diane Underscore.
Speaker 2: You can find me in those places, Devin.
Speaker 1: Where can the people find you? Well, you guys can
Speaker 1: go to my website devinsimone dot com. That's Devin with
Speaker 1: a y simone with an ie. But if you scroll
Speaker 1: to the bottom you can see my socials. Instagram is
Speaker 1: where I'm most active. That's Devin with a Y Simon
Speaker 1: with an eye. It's all pretty consistent. TikTok Twitter as well,
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