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Speaker 3: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to another NFL episode of the

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Speaker 3: Action Network Podcast. I'm Matthew Friedman, the editor in chief

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Speaker 3: of Fantasy Labs. With me are two of the most

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Speaker 3: Chris Raymond. Sean is the Action Network director of Predictive

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Speaker 3: Analytics and one of the top end season fantasy football

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Speaker 3: rankers for the past half decade. Chris is a senior

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Speaker 3: editor and analyst at the Action Network and a co

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Speaker 3: host of the Action Networks show on Serious AXM Fantasy

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Speaker 3: Radio at nine am Eastern and joining us is one

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Speaker 3: of the titans of the industry. Evan Silva, the former

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Speaker 3: football editor of retal World and now the co founder

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Speaker 3: of Established the Run. His Matchup column for years has

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Speaker 3: been a must read weekly item. Evan thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks so much for having me back. I've been

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Speaker 2: a kind of quiet offseason, I feel like relatively but

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Speaker 2: things are about to start getting real real busy, real

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Speaker 2: real soon. Looking forward to it, man, But things are

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Speaker 3: It is fantastic to have you on the show. Speaking

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Speaker 3: of stuff changing fast, just today, we've released our customizable

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Speaker 3: fantasy football chieat sheet, which is powered by the projections

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Speaker 3: that Sean, Chris and I create. That was a big task.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to everyone on the development team who worked

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Speaker 3: on that tool, and now we get to relax a

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Speaker 3: little bit, just talk some ball and Evan, you are

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Speaker 3: definitely a guy who knows his football, so it is

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Speaker 3: good to have you here with us. Last week we

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Speaker 3: kicked off our position by position multi episode breakdown we

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Speaker 3: top twelve fantasy football quarterbacks by two thousand and nineteen

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Speaker 3: average draft position. Be sure to give that a listen

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Speaker 3: on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. A

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Speaker 3: rate and review would be appreciated. In this episode, we're

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Speaker 3: going to do two things. One we're going to discuss

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Speaker 3: with Evan his basic approach to the quarterback position in

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Speaker 3: terms of projections in fantasy strategy. And then we're also

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Speaker 3: going to do a full breakdown of all the late

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Speaker 3: round quarterbacks available in fantasy football drafts. Let's get started, Evan,

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Speaker 3: I want to kick it to you, and I'd like

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Speaker 3: to get a kind of big picture sense of the

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Speaker 3: way that you approach the quarterback position for fantasy football.

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Speaker 3: I'm imagining that you are something of a late round

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's real clear that a late round

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Speaker 2: draft just standard regular season long drafts. But the more

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Speaker 2: I've started to really get into daily fantasy and Bestball

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Speaker 2: League's larger field, high stakes drafts season long where you're

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Speaker 2: trying to win a big tournament, I've really started to

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Speaker 2: emphasize stacking my quarterbacks more with receivers or tight ends

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Speaker 2: that I've drafted. So, you know, if we get into

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Speaker 2: you know I'm more likely to take Ben Roethlisberger over

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Speaker 2: I think are a really interesting stack because they're both very,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an interesting approach to have the stacking of

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Speaker 3: What are the stats or the factors that you look

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Speaker 2: So I mean touchdown rate, mean regression is one of

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Speaker 2: We're looking at Aaron Rodgers. I think in particular his

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Speaker 2: He would have been last year's overall quarterback three in

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Speaker 2: He went from three point eight percent in twenty seventeen

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Speaker 3: All right, Evan, you mentioned there Aaron Rodgers as someone

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Speaker 2: So I'm in on the Deshaun Watson quarterback one overall camp.

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Speaker 2: First of all, he's shown the ability to score just

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Speaker 2: a rookie, Deshaun Watson averaged twenty eight Fantasy points per game.

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Speaker 2: his career when Deshaun Watson has played from behind, and

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Speaker 2: more this year they did last year. He's averaged eight

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Speaker 2: And I think that when you watch Deshaun Watson, intuitively,

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Speaker 3: Evan, great minds evidently think alike. I'm with you there

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Speaker 3: on the Deshaun Watson number one hype train, unlike I

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Speaker 3: should say Shawn Corner and Chris Raybond, whoever those guys are,

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Speaker 3: we all miss Evan. I want to get final thoughts

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Speaker 3: here on Kyler Murray before we get to the guys

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Speaker 3: going outside of the top twelve. Kyler Murray, I think

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Speaker 3: the most hyped rookie for fantasy purposes that we've seen

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Speaker 3: over the past twenty years. What are your thoughts on him?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I have him as my quarterback ten right now.

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Speaker 2: It's not super aggressive, but it's also not conservative. But

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Speaker 2: his skill set and like the quickness and the way

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Speaker 2: when you put him with an offensive coach whose team

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Speaker 2: Because that's your one big concern about the Cardinals offense, well,

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Speaker 2: the offensive line torpedo their potential at the skill positions

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Speaker 2: And people like to compare Cliff Kingsbury to Chip Kelly.

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Speaker 2: And one big edge that chip Kelly did have entering

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Speaker 2: twenty thirteen. But another thing that bothers me though, is

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Speaker 2: the comparison from Cliff Kingsbury to Chip Kelly is in negative.

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Speaker 2: We're not talking about team building or like building an

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Speaker 2: and Chip Kelly in his first year with the Eagles,

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Speaker 2: Cliff Kingsbury will learn from ship Kelly's mistakes and not

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Speaker 2: going trade away the next year you trade away Murray

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Speaker 2: demise of the Eagles under Chip Kelly, trading away all

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Speaker 2: the good players. It was not chip Kelly's offense.

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Speaker 3: That was so awesome. I feel like we could just

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Speaker 3: end the podcast there, but we have a whole outline

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Speaker 3: a podcast material to get to. Evan. Let's get into it.

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Speaker 3: At the top of the quarterbacks. Outside of the top twelve,

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Speaker 2: They attack opponent weaknesses. But they're also the best team

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Speaker 3: I want to kick it to you. Do you have

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Speaker 6: There, no Evan hit the nail on the head. There

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Speaker 6: You know, you know exactly what you're gonna get with them.

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Speaker 3: Out of these three guys, Brady's, Rivers and Roethlisberger, is

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, easily, easily, big been because you have Drew Brees,

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Speaker 2: With Philip Rivers, you know, I think that his past attempts,

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Speaker 2: You know, you look at first o their coaching staff,

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Speaker 2: And obviously he's never you know, brought anything the table

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Speaker 2: their upsides are so much higher than these these pocket

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Speaker 3: All right, Let's get into this tier of young upside players.

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Speaker 2: So Dak Prescott I think is really interesting this year.

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Speaker 2: My one concern with Dak He's scored six rushing touchdowns

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So, I mean Dak Prescott and Jameis Winston are

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Speaker 6: the time and only finish outside of the top twenty

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Speaker 6: eleven percent of the time. So I think just having

433
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Speaker 6: a weapon like Cooper there will help this week to

434
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Speaker 6: week flour and that's what I do value that in

435
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Speaker 6: a QB, in a one one QB league, and that's

436
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Speaker 6: why I'm I like true Bisky's upside, but his week

437
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Speaker 6: to week consistency. I'm passing him up in this this

438
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Speaker 6: range because I treat season fanas football as more of

439
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Speaker 6: a head to head cash game like DFS, where I'm

440
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Speaker 6: just trying to maximize my floor, and true Bisky's floor

441
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Speaker 6: is a little too low for me to invest them

442
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Speaker 6: in start on week to weeks, so I'm passing on

443
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Speaker 6: him in this strange but I do like his upside

444
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Speaker 6: as well.

445
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Speaker 3: Raymond, I'm curious on your thoughts about Winston and or

446
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,359
Speaker 3: Dak and then specifically I want to get your thoughts

447
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 3: on Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen because those are two

448
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Speaker 3: guys who impressed last year mainly because of their rushing ability,

449
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Speaker 3: although they got their different ways. Lamar Jackson produced with

450
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Speaker 3: a lot of design runs. Josh Allen was fantastic as

451
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Speaker 3: a guy who could scramble when his first read wasn't there.

452
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Speaker 3: There are lots of questions about what we're going to

453
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Speaker 3: see out of them in their second year, how much

454
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Speaker 3: they're going to progress as runners, how much they will

455
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Speaker 3: progress as passers. So what are your thoughts there?

456
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Speaker 5: Well, I think that I actually I think I'm a

457
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Speaker 5: little more aggressive in this spot. I think you can

458
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Speaker 5: be when you're taking a weight round quarterback in that

459
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Speaker 5: ten to fifteen range, because you've already waited. You want

460
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Speaker 5: to maximize your floor with your picks, with higher draft

461
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Speaker 5: capital premium picks. But by waiting till the double digit rounds,

462
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Speaker 5: getting a quarterback taken and well after maybe your whole

463
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Speaker 5: we has a quarterback, you can afford to take risks

464
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Speaker 5: because I think why you want to take a guy

465
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Speaker 5: like a Jamis, a Trubisky, a Dack, a Josh Allen

466
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Speaker 5: or Lamar Jackson, any of those five with rushing upside,

467
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Speaker 5: and that's assuming Cam Newton doesn't fall, which he made

468
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Speaker 5: in some leagues. The reason you want to take one

469
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Speaker 5: of those guys with a little bit of kind of

470
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Speaker 5: either rushing up sort or Jamis. I know he doesn't

471
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Speaker 5: really have much rushing up upside, but he has kind

472
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Speaker 5: of this fall around upside because he throws it along

473
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Speaker 5: and he's going to have brus Arians is.

474
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Speaker 1: Because you're looking for that every week. QB one.

475
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Speaker 5: I think the guys we discussed earlier, the rivers Is,

476
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Speaker 5: the Breezes, the Roethlisbergers, and the Bradys. Those guys you

477
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 5: can target in specific situations that are going to be

478
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Speaker 5: generally predictable at home for Breeze and Roethlisberger, and against

479
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Speaker 5: bad matchups or good matchups I should say, for Brady

480
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Speaker 5: and Rivers, and then in shootout type situations so you

481
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Speaker 5: can still stream those guys effectively. So the real reason

482
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Speaker 5: you're taking these guys is for that high ceiling every week.

483
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Speaker 1: QB one.

484
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Speaker 5: I think that all five have it for different reasons.

485
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Speaker 5: I think I'm not sleeping on Trubisky. I want to

486
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Speaker 5: talk about him a little bit because we haven't yet,

487
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Speaker 5: and I think a lot of people are kind of

488
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Speaker 5: passing them up. No one had more thirty point Fantasy

489
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Speaker 5: games last year than Trubisky.

490
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Speaker 1: Other than Patrick Mahomes.

491
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Speaker 5: Yes, he has a bit of a floor, but he

492
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Speaker 5: can move around, and he has Matt Naggi, who infamously

493
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Speaker 5: enabled Alex.

494
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Speaker 1: Smith to have the season of his life.

495
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Speaker 5: So I'm not sleeping on Trubisky and that Bears offense.

496
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Speaker 5: I really like what they did and what they're surrounding

497
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Speaker 5: and with They got a bunch of gadget guys that

498
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 5: could take them to the house and kind of give

499
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Speaker 5: him some extra yards that he doesn't even have to

500
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Speaker 5: throw in the air force.

501
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Speaker 1: So I like him.

502
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Speaker 5: But I think Lamar and Josh Allen, you worry a

503
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Speaker 5: little bit about them just throwing the football obviously.

504
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Speaker 1: However, I think.

505
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Speaker 5: It's an equalizer, right, because the worst these guys are

506
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Speaker 5: as passers, the more they are going to pull the

507
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Speaker 5: ball down and just say the heck with it and

508
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Speaker 5: run with it, and the more their offenses are going

509
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Speaker 5: to rely upon them running the football. So if Lamar

510
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Speaker 5: Jackson improves as a passer, then yeah, maybe Baltimore doesn't

511
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 5: run him so much and doesn't run the ball so

512
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Speaker 5: much period. But if he doesn't, he'll be running and

513
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Speaker 5: then when they have to pass, he'll be dropping back

514
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Speaker 5: and he runs. You know from passing you know called

515
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Speaker 5: pass puts, and the same is true of Allen. So

516
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Speaker 5: I think you're you're not really you can't really go

517
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Speaker 5: wrong with any of these guys.

518
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Speaker 1: Really, just wait wait till you get whoever falls.

519
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Speaker 5: You know, I wouldn't say reach on any of them,

520
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Speaker 5: no matter how much I liked him. I just think,

521
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Speaker 5: you wait till if you're in a twelve team league,

522
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Speaker 5: till eleven quarterbacks are off the board, and then you

523
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 5: have your choice of who's there, and you're going to

524
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Speaker 5: get a high upside guy no matter what.

525
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Speaker 2: I'm still tilted from that that Bears Eagles playoff game.

526
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 2: I had to overrun his rushing yards. This dude had

527
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 2: gaping holes to run through and would just just refuse

528
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Speaker 2: to run. I think he actually might have pulled his

529
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Speaker 2: hamstring like early in the game, and he was kind

530
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Speaker 2: of hesitant the rest of the way. But man, he's

531
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Speaker 2: an incredible runner. I mean, he like I think he

532
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 2: could maybe start at running back or he could be

533
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Speaker 2: like a Zach Center or something. He's like a legit,

534
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Speaker 2: a legit good runner. Last year he was eighteenth a

535
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Speaker 2: month QUARTERBA snaps, So we played the eighteenth most snaps

536
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Speaker 2: among all quarterbacks the fifth most rushing yards. So he's

537
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Speaker 2: he's rushing at a very very and he was very efficient.

538
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Speaker 2: He was over six yards per carry.

539
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Speaker 1: I'll sleep on Trubisky could be the Koonami code this year.

540
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Speaker 3: Yeah, his as Evan mentioned, highly efficient in his rushing. Evan,

541
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Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen last year they were also

542
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Speaker 3: both highly efficient. What do you think we're going to

543
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Speaker 3: see out of them this year?

544
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think that Lamar Jackson is a potential

545
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Speaker 2: league winner. I have him quarterback fourteen, so I'm ahead

546
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Speaker 2: of Sean and Chris. You know, this dude did not

547
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Speaker 2: get first team reps until he ten of his rookie season,

548
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 2: and because so many of his runs were designed and

549
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Speaker 2: they were not improvised, I don't think we got to

550
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Speaker 2: see his full capability as like a dynamic runner. I mean,

551
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Speaker 2: when do the do the big plays happen? They come

552
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 2: off you know, like the fifty yard runs, they come

553
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Speaker 2: off improvisation. Think back at you know about Michael Vick.

554
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, Lamar Jackson has legit Michael Vick

555
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 2: level rushing ability. And this year, if you were going

556
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Speaker 2: to pick a team in the NFL, to leave the

557
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Speaker 2: NFN rushing attempts who would have to be the bravest okay,

558
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 2: And this year, per Warren Sharps Metrics, they have the

559
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 2: second easiest schedule of opposing one defenses in the league.

560
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Speaker 2: So count me in on Lamar Jackson. I like his

561
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Speaker 2: MVP odds if you could get him at sixty five

562
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 2: or eighty to one. Way too many people are writing

563
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 2: this dude off because he threw some ugly passes last

564
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: year that completely revamped his receiver corps. I love the

565
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 2: promotion of Greg Rohman and his history with dudes who

566
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Speaker 2: can spin it and run it. Yeah, I'm big on

567
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:30,719
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson.

568
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Speaker 3: Yeah, as you mentioned, they're Greg Rohman with Colin Kaepernick,

569
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 3: and then also Tyrod Taylor had some pretty impressive success

570
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 3: with guys who at this point people don't really think

571
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 3: of as being very productive, but who definitely flashed when

572
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Speaker 3: given the opportunity. Let's talk about some of these middle

573
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 3: aged pocket passers who are kind of like in this

574
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 3: tier unto themselves after these upside players, and in this

575
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Speaker 3: rounds twelve to seventeen, we have Jimmy Garoppolo, Kirk Cousins,

576
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Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford, Derek Carr, and Nick Foles. I'll just say

577
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 3: I'm not really interested in any of these guys. They

578
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,719
Speaker 3: seem kind of like lesser versions of the older guys

579
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 3: who are being drafted ahead of them. But evan anyone

580
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 3: in this tier out of Garoppolo, cousin, Stafford, Carr, and Folds,

581
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 3: any one of these guys really intrigue you.

582
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Speaker 2: Probably Jimmy g you know. I mean, this was a

583
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 2: guy who had a pretty consensus top ten quarterback ADP

584
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: last year in his career. So we've got an eight

585
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 2: game sample of what Jimmy Garoppolo has done in San

586
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 2: Francisco six and two record sixty five percent completion rate,

587
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 2: eight point five yards for pass attempt, eleven touchdowns, eight picks,

588
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 2: but in an additional rushing score, I think we can

589
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 2: all acknowledge that Jimmy Garoppolo is at very least still

590
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 2: a really good prospect. I mean, career yards per attenpt

591
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: eight point two, passer rating ninety seven point three, and

592
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 2: he's never been surrounded by a perfect supporting cast. We

593
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 2: have George Kittle top two tight end, and now we

594
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 2: have Dante Pettis and Deebo Samuel who are really interesting,

595
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 2: you know, prospects. So it's still like all about hope

596
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: in San Francisco entering year three of like the John

597
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 2: Lynch and Kyle Shanahan regime. And I think that people

598
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: are going to start to get like a little tired

599
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 2: of this fast, But I think you still got to

600
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: be patient because George Kill twenty five, Dante Pets twenty three,

601
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 2: Deebo Samuel twenty three, Jimmy Garoppolo hasn't even started a

602
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 2: full season yet in the NFL, but man, he showed

603
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 2: so much promise. They've got a ton of options in

604
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: the backfield. All five of their offensive line starters return.

605
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: You know, They've pumped a lot of resources into their defense.

606
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: The problem is that they play in this division with

607
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: the freaking Rams and the Seahawks, and the Cardinals are

608
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 2: another come up team. They're just they're a difficult team

609
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: to predict. But I think that Jimmy Garoppolo is like

610
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 2: a virtual lock to beat his ADP this season because

611
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: it's going to be in this range where Raybaud and

612
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Speaker 2: Sean have him in at seventeen to twenty two range,

613
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Speaker 2: and I think he's easily going to finish top fifteen

614
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: or in probably top twelve.

615
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Speaker 3: All right, John, I'd like to get your thoughts here

616
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Speaker 3: on on Garoppolo, since you are the lowest on him

617
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Speaker 3: at number twenty two. What do you see happening this year?

618
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so he's actually a guy where you know, if

619
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 6: I happen to miss on Winston and Prescott and Lamar Jackson,

620
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 6: I wouldn't mind starting my year off of Jimmy G.

621
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Speaker 6: I would probably be in just stream QB mode at

622
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Speaker 6: that point. And he opens up Week one against the Buccaneers,

623
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Speaker 6: so he has a great Week one matchup. But yeah,

624
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 6: one of the things with Jimmy G is we haven't

625
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 6: been able to see you know, a big sample size

626
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Speaker 6: of him yet. But I look at Nick Mullins last year,

627
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Speaker 6: who you know, he ended up finishing as a QB

628
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 6: one in five of his eight starts last year, so

629
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Speaker 6: we saw some upside of you know, this Cal Shanahan offense.

630
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 6: So I think Jimmy G could put up solid numbers

631
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 6: this year. It's just without the rushing ability. He's just

632
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 6: you know, a high floor, low ceiling kind of guy.

633
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 6: So he's he's not going to be pretty high in

634
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 6: my rankings. But you know, if you wait long enough

635
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 6: and you get him. I think he would be a

636
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 6: good way to start your streaming QB for the year.

637
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Speaker 6: And he's another reason why you know, I like him

638
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Speaker 6: as a quarterback, and he's ranked twenty second because QB

639
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 6: is so deep this year. You even have guys like

640
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Speaker 6: Kirk Cousins or even Matt Stafford, who I think is

641
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 6: going to bounce back this year, who all ranked, you know,

642
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 6: outside of my top twenty, but I do like them

643
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Speaker 6: on a week's week basis.

644
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Speaker 3: All right, So, Sean, you mentioned there a couple of

645
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 3: guys Cousins in Stafford outside of Garoppolo in this tier,

646
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 3: who is it who really catches your eye that you

647
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Speaker 3: would maybe be satisfied with getting?

648
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,479
Speaker 6: So I wouldn't I wouldn't call it satisfied. But if

649
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 6: I had to reach for somebody in a one QB league,

650
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 6: it would be Sam Darnold. He's just a guy that

651
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 6: could make a year or two leap. He gets Jamison

652
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 6: Crowder and even Leveon Bell, who's a great pass catching

653
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 6: back as we know, he gets Quincy and Nuonwa is

654
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 6: healthy again, So he just has more weapons than just

655
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 6: Robbie Anderson. I mean, he did flash some of that

656
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 6: rushing ability that he has starting in Week seven where

657
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 6: he started to rush close to twenty yards per game.

658
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 6: So I think if he can, you know, keep that

659
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 6: going this year, he could be a sneaky guy outside

660
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 6: of the top twenty four. And then in a two

661
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 6: QB format, I would target a guy like Andy Dalton

662
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 6: super late. Evan mentioned it earlier on, but you know,

663
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 6: if the Zach Taylor experiment works and they can you know,

664
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 6: resemble somewhat of the Rams offense, and you know John

665
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 6: Ross breaks out as you know, a wide receiver or

666
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 6: three for him and Tyler Eifert stays healthy, he could

667
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 6: have a pretty surprising year. So he'd be a guy

668
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 6: I would target super late and a TQB or super flex.

669
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Speaker 3: Format Raybond out of Garoppolo, Cousin, Stafford, Carr, and Foles.

670
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 3: Who are the guys who catch your eye?

671
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: Is that even a question? Like it's easily Jimmy G.

672
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not gonna rehash seven points, but eight

673
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 5: point five yards in attempt, and he's the best quarterback

674
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 5: of those guys, and he has the weapons, so it's

675
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 5: not not even a question, Jimmy G. Outside of those

676
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 5: guys to kind of piggyback on Sean. I think Andy

677
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 5: Dalton and I know Evan mentioned earlier as well, but

678
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,719
Speaker 5: when Andy Dalton has had the weapons around him stay healthy.

679
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 5: I think we saw it once or twice with you know,

680
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 5: SNeW and Marvin Jones, AJ green Eifert, Like when he

681
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 5: has four or five guys that he can distribute the

682
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 5: football to, he can do that. He's an average quarterback

683
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 5: in this league, maybe even below average, but he has

684
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 5: the weapons, he has the upside to kind of kind

685
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 5: of do that. And now we're just talking about pocket passers,

686
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 5: So I mean, I would probably still kind of hope

687
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 5: that a guy like Marcus Mariota, you know, can can

688
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 5: give me something on the ground and goes that way.

689
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 5: But strictly based on pocket passes, I think Jimmy G's

690
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 5: the clear guy, and then I would look at Dalton

691
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 5: And also it sounds kind of crazy, but more so

692
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 5: than some of the other guys that have been mentioned,

693
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 5: I think Nick Foles is actually intriguing because he's shown

694
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 5: the ability to kind of execute at a high level.

695
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: And the Jaguars, you know, they don't look like they have.

696
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 5: Much offensively, but they do have like a lot of

697
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 5: young receivers that kind of have rough seasons with Lake Bordos,

698
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 5: you know, DJ Shark, Keyland Cole, like these guys could reemerge.

699
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 5: You've heard good things about Chris Conley, another guy that

700
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 5: was intriguing at one point.

701
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't be surprised. You know, under John D.

702
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 5: Filippo, who, by the way, his last two times really

703
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 5: like overseeing an offense.

704
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: You know, they had over six hundred attempts.

705
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be surprised to see the Jaguars maybe throw

706
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 5: a little bit more than we're used to, because now

707
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 5: they have a quarterback in.

708
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: Nick Foles who doesn't turn the ball over.

709
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,239
Speaker 5: I think one of the reasons they were so run

710
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 5: heavy these last couple of years wasn't just because of

711
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 5: Tom koff win in Maron, but it's because they have

712
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 5: Way Bortles and they had no choice but to hide him.

713
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 5: I think Fose is an intriguing guy because we've seen

714
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 5: him do the twenty seven touchdown to interception thing. We've

715
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 5: seen him then do it with a whole different coaching

716
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 5: staff en routes to a Super Bowl victory a couple

717
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 5: of years ago in Philadelphia. So we've seen kind of

718
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 5: fose do this in a number of places, and I

719
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 5: like D D.

720
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: Westbrook.

721
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 5: I think the pass catching tight end they drafted Oliver

722
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 5: may play a decent role, but I think, you know,

723
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 5: we still have four net to when you want to

724
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 5: hand them all off. But I think this team could

725
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 5: be a little more pass heavy than we're used to it.

726
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 5: And fose kind of intrigues me if we're looking like

727
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 5: bottom of the barrel of QB twos.

728
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 2: I kind of like the potential of their offensive line too.

729
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: You know, you're getting back Cam Robinson. Andrew Norwell was

730
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: like the best guard in the market last year. Their

731
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: center Brandon Leonard is one of the best centers when

732
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: healthy in the league. Aj Can they spent money on

733
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 2: to bring him back. And then right tackle Jaywon Taylor.

734
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: You know, he would have been like a top ten

735
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: pick if he didn't have this little knee issue, you know,

736
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: and he wind up going like top forty. Anyways, their

737
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: offensive line I think is real, real interesting. They lost

738
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: four of their offensive line starters from last year ended

739
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: up on injured reserve four of the five starters, so

740
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 2: I actually he has job security like no one's you

741
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: think Garden Minshew is gonna threaten his starting job in

742
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 2: year one. They paid was it eighty eight million over

743
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 2: four years to get Nick Foles Gardner Minshew is not

744
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: going to replace him, Okay.

745
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 3: Evan one guy in this tier, and I can't believe

746
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 3: I'm even gonna ask about him, but I would like

747
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 3: to get your thoughts on him, Derek Carr. He has

748
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 3: new pass catchers basically all around, with Antonio Brown, Tyrell Williams,

749
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 3: Ryan Grant, JJ Nelson and Hunter re Infro. He has

750
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: a new tight end and Darren Waller. He has a

751
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 3: new running back in Josh Jacobs, who I think is

752
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 3: a pretty talented three down player and he actually had

753
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 3: career highs last year and yards passing a completion rate

754
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 3: in his first season with John Gruden. Do you think

755
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 3: there's any potential with him?

756
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is, there is, you know. And he's not

757
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: a player that I particularly like. You know, he had

758
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: nothing in terms of rushing value. He's never been an

759
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: aggressive downfield passer. He doesn't check my personal boxes that

760
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: He's actually someone that I like to hear other people

761
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 2: talk about rather than myself, you know, because I don't

762
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: really like him as a player honestly, But I'd love

763
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 2: to hear what Seawan and Chris have to say about.

764
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 5: I mean, I would just say this mentioned all the

765
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 5: good pass catchers. Maybe a guy like I don't know,

766
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 5: Mike Glenn and Nathan Peterman. Maybe those guys could throw

767
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 5: to those pass catchers too. So that's what That's how

768
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 5: I feel about Derek Carr.

769
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 3: It's pretty brutal. Okay, So enough talk about Derek Carr,

770
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 3: man Evan. This tier of quarterbacks following that tier is

771
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 3: a little gnarly Sean and Chris I already talked about

772
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 3: some of them. We have Sam Donald, Dwayne Haskins, and

773
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 3: case Keenum, Marcus Mariota, Andy Dalton, Joe Flacco, Drew Locke,

774
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 3: Eli Manning, Daniel Jones, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and Josh Rosen. At

775
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 3: the bottom of the barrel, Donald and Dalton are two

776
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 3: guys who have been mentioned. Are those the guys who

777
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 3: stand out to you? And if not, who catches your

778
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 3: eye in this tier?

779
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, that's who stands out. Sam Donald showed

780
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 2: a lot at the end of the season. You know,

781
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 2: he went through some very very difficult stretches. They had

782
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 2: to sit him down for a while. I mean, like

783
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: every pass catcher on the Jets had a high ankle

784
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 2: sprain at some point. And I mean, I don't know

785
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 2: if you guys have ever played in DFS like a

786
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: wide receiver who had a high ankle sprain. But you're

787
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 2: not getting any points like you you were. Your game

788
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: is zero. Quincy and Una and Robbie Anderson both had

789
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: high ankle springs. Chris Herndon, I think, you know, well,

790
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 2: he was one of just eight tight ends over the

791
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: last decade as a rookie to have over five hundred

792
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: receiving yards. We had a couple of those last year actually,

793
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: Chris Herndon and Mark Andrews. But you know that, I

794
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 2: think the arrow is pointing up on him. But he's

795
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: also I think he's going to get a little suspension.

796
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 2: What we'll see about that. The one thing that that

797
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: I don't like about Sam Darnold and which keeps me

798
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 2: kind of tapping on him, is is Adam Gase's history

799
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: with just running the slowest paced offenses in the league.

800
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 2: You know so, and also their offensive line is I

801
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 2: think it's real, real bad. It's bottom five in the league.

802
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 2: They did very little to upgrade it. They their big

803
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 2: move was acquiring collecchi ossemle who was over thirty coming

804
00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: off the worst season in his career. I think it

805
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 2: was worth a shot. But they don't even have like

806
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 2: a they like punted center. You know, that was a

807
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 2: big deal for Adam Gase. He wanted to sign Matt

808
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 2: Parodies of the Broncos, who wound up going to the

809
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 2: Panthers for like a really reasonable deal, like three years,

810
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: twenty seven million. Adam Gase wanted them to devote that

811
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 2: money that they paid Le'Veon Bell to signing on Matt Parody's,

812
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: which I think would have made a lot more sense

813
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 2: from like a win loss standpoint. But you know, so

814
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: those are the things that keep me a little bit

815
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: cautious on Sam Darnold.

816
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's actually a great point because the full pace.

817
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 5: But just like if the offensive line is struggling to

818
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 5: give him time. He was already one of the least

819
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 5: accurate deep passers last year. Robbie Anders is really his

820
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 5: only deep threat. I mean a none wants struggled when

821
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 5: playing outside compared to in the slot. Then you added Crowder,

822
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 5: you added Le'Veon Bell, you added Time Montgomery, so Darnald

823
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 5: could quickly just evolve into like the biggest checkdown artist

824
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 5: in the league.

825
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 3: Sean, I like your thoughts on Adam Gase and potentially

826
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 3: what he means for this offense, because that really, to

827
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 3: me is the big question mark with the Jets off

828
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 3: How much of an impact and I'm assuming it's a

829
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 3: negative impact is Adam Gase going to have on this unit?

830
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, Evan mentioned that the pace is going

831
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 6: to be a lot slower. They have you know, they

832
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 6: actually have a lot more weapons than they've used to,

833
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 6: so I was kind of worried about how he was

834
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 6: handling the Leveon Bell situation in the off season. But

835
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 6: I think he will make him a work horse back.

836
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 6: But you know, I'm not really investing too much in

837
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 6: the Jets in general because of it. So you know

838
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 6: when I said Sam Donald was a good late round fly,

839
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 6: it's you know, I'm not taking him, but I think

840
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 6: if he improves on his rushing upside and you know,

841
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 6: it becomes more efficient, he could be a great play.

842
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 6: But yeah, the gas thing is an issue with me,

843
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 6: and you know, pace of play, number of plays per

844
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 6: game is part of my models. So you know, Sam

845
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 6: Donald's outside of my top twenty five because of it.

846
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 3: Evan, do you have any thoughts, I mean, this guy's

847
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 3: way at the bottom. But Daniel Jones, I mean, do

848
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 3: you have any thoughts on what we might see out

849
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 3: of him?

850
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: Well, he averaged thirty seven rushing yards per start, I do,

851
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: so maybe he adds some value. I mean, he's not

852
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 2: going to add value as a passer, right, I mean,

853
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: first of all, they're not built to be a productive

854
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 2: passing on offense because they literally don't even have a

855
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 2: perimeter threat whatsoever. They were built to appease Eli Manning,

856
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 2: and you know, Eli Manning is a short ball thrower.

857
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: He's afraid in the pocket. Ben McAdoo was right, you know,

858
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: Ben McAdoo sat him down. But then ownership stepped in,

859
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: and ownership is a problem at this point. I don't

860
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: want to invest at all, and virtually any Giants player.

861
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 2: Actually moved Saquon Barkley down to my RB three recently

862
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 2: behind McCaffrey, and Zeke jumped ahead of him because of

863
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: the you know, he's not going to get suspended for

864
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: his latest off field incident, so I felt very comfortable

865
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 2: moving him there. Sakwon Barkley still as a candidate to

866
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 2: lead the NFL touches, so I can't move him down

867
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 2: too much. But man, I want nothing to do with

868
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 2: Shephard or Golden Tate. You know. I think Evan Ingram

869
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 2: is interesting at a certain point, but he usually goes

870
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: ahead of where I'll take him. But this isn't an

871
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 2: offense to fade. I think. I think we're going to

872
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,959
Speaker 2: see a hopefully a full regime change from top down

873
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 2: in the Giants, you know, starting with you know, hopefully

874
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 2: a sale of the team.

875
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Speaker 5: I think the offense is intriguing if Jones starts, because

876
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 5: remember you're thinking of Shepard and all these guys in

877
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 5: the context of washed Eli Manning. If Daniel Jones can

878
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 5: run the football, Yeah, he's probably not a great passer,

879
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 5: neither as Josh Allen, but he can run the football

880
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 5: and move in the pocket. Somebody between Tate, Barkley, Shepherd

881
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 5: and Ingram is going to be wide open on every play.

882
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 5: There's a lot of upside where Jones could just jump

883
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 5: it off to these guys. They could do work and

884
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 5: he could create offscript play and so in that way,

885
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 5: and I think they're similar. So I would be a

886
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 5: lot more intrigued actually with this offense.

887
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 2: You know, Daniel Jones is you know, he's a little

888
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 2: bit more soft.

889
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: Of course he's soft.

890
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 5: That be that as it may, but we see this

891
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 5: over and over with these with these quarterbacks, no matter

892
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 5: how bad we think they are, if they can do

893
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 5: one thing that is run, they can be effective fantasy quarterbacks.

894
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 5: And you're talking about good players at four of the

895
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 5: five spots. We know the Giants wide receiver three spot

896
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 5: is where receivers go to die.

897
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Speaker 1: You have Fowler and all those guys, I mean, Garius Slayton, the.

898
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 5: Rookie may be better, but you have four guys that

899
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 5: are legitimate ballplayers, I think. But but you add that

900
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 5: ability to kind of move around and not just kind

901
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 5: of have to get it out in two seconds, which

902
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 5: really kind of minimizes what they're able to do for

903
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 5: Fantasy DFS chief quarterback on it his first start, I

904
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 5: will be playing him at the minimum in DFS.

905
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 2: Better be the minimum.

906
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 6: I want to get Evan's pick on our Daniel Jones

907
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 6: prop from our production podcast a couple weeks ago. But

908
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 6: how many rushing yards will he get in his first

909
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 6: career start? Over under twenty five and a half over?

910
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 2: I mean, that's gonna be his go to move. I mean,

911
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: because you know we can't throw. I know he's gonna

912
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 2: be open, so he's gonna have to run.

913
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 5: There's some things are gonna be open. We're underlooking how

914
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 5: bad Eli Manning is. Like he literally drops back and

915
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 5: gets rid of the ball. That's why they need to

916
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 5: get rid of him. It's the same thing with the

917
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 5: guy like Derek kran open, which is why I'm concerned

918
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 5: about Tyro Williams. And I'm just like, these guys can

919
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 5: get open when you have that kind of quarterback.

920
00:41:58,960 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: They're scared.

921
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 3: Feel the need to say right now to everyone who

922
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 3: is not aware that Chris Raybond is the resident Giants apologist.

923
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,919
Speaker 5: Come on, Sakon Barkley, you're telling me all those guys

924
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 5: can't get up four of their five receivers. This is like,

925
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 5: this is like another Alex Smith situation where he was horrible,

926
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 5: and you know, it's like the poor man version of that.

927
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 5: You put it in Saton's hands, you put in these guys' hands,

928
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 5: they'll make puts.

929
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Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. Fantasy. It's gonna work.

930
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: At least we can agree that John Marrat is the problem.

931
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, I'm telling you man, they're just gonna try

932
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 5: to sneak Daniel Jones out in that number ten, Jersey.

933
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 5: That's how I'm gonna beat that over on our games

934
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 5: play we have a games played a bet too.

935
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: What is it four and a half stars or something

936
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: like that. I forget what the number was now, but.

937
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Speaker 2: Those four and a half by the legs man the quad.

938
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Speaker 3: All right, Evan, I'd like to get a couple of

939
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 3: thoughts to close this. You mentioned earlier the desire to

940
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 3: stack certain players, and I think you mentioned Dak and

941
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 3: Amari Cooper and also Andy Dalton and aj Green. Are

942
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 3: there are a couple more quarterback either wide receiver or

943
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 3: quarterback tight end stacks that you are specifically attacking in

944
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 3: the leagues in whatich you're drafting right now.

945
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 2: Definitely Mitchell Trubisky and Allen Robinson because Alan Robinson sometimes

946
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: you get him like, you know, heading towards like the

947
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 2: seventh round, you know, or very often the sixth. And

948
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 2: I thought that he was a very predictable dud in

949
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 2: his debut year with the Bears, because you know, we've

950
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 2: seen the history of wide receivers transitioning teams not great.

951
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 2: You know, he hadn't even played football this season before essentially,

952
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: I mean he lasted like what seven snaps he towards

953
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: acl Is coming off the ACL injury, you know, he

954
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 2: dealt with some you know, he's banged up at times.

955
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 2: And we really got to see the vintage Alan Robinson

956
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 2: in that playoff game against the Eagles, and now he

957
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: was going up against the secondary that was just shredded

958
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: by injury. It was like the second team secondary for

959
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 2: the Eagles. But we got to see him make contested catches,

960
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: make big plays. Over the last five games with the Bears,

961
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: he averaged nine targets per game. Entering year two under

962
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 2: the samet, you know, with the same quarterback in the

963
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 2: same offense, under the same offensive boss in Matt Nagy,

964
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 2: We're going to see an elite from Alan Robinson. I

965
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: think he's gonna be healthier. He's still a really young

966
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 2: He's a guy who came out really young out of

967
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 2: Penn State. You know, when you can get him in

968
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: the sixth round, that should make you that much more

969
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 2: likely to take Mitchell Trubisky in like the thirteenth or

970
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: fourteenth round and just just stack them up, because, like

971
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: I think Raybon has really enlightened me and a lot

972
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: of other people hopefully to the fact that people are

973
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: down on Mitchell Trubisky. And I understand it. No quarterback

974
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 2: throws into crowds more than Mitchell Trubisky. You know, he's

975
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 2: a danger play quarterback. But he's also a guy that

976
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: is in no danger of losing his starting job. He's

977
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 2: in his second year in the offense, with a lot

978
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: of talented players around him. They return all five offensive

979
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 2: line starters, really good offensive mind and people are still

980
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: not taking him seriously. Like he got laughed at about

981
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 2: the fact that, like sharp betters were betting his MVP

982
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 2: odds from two hundred to one up until like you know,

983
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: eighty or fifty to one. You know, like take a hint, man,

984
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the arrow is up on this guy.

985
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 2: He only started one season in North Carolina, came into

986
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: the league, had a rough rookie year, took a massive

987
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 2: leap in this second season. You know, I think that

988
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 2: that stack is pretty interesting, you know, considering how cheap

989
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: it is.

990
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 5: Especially the one real edge I think you have in

991
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 5: fantasy that it is harder to come by is projecting

992
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 5: big weeps. Because anyone could kind of talk about these

993
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 5: rankings and oh, do you have like Saquon one or

994
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 5: two or a Zeke whatever. But there's certain second year

995
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 5: leaps that are hard to kind of forecast because there's

996
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 5: no precedent. But you know Tubisky entering year two, with

997
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 5: Matt Naggi, Alan Robinson entering year two and age twenty six,

998
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 5: which is when wide receivers peak. Anthony Miller caught seven

999
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 5: touchdowns entering his second year, liable to take a step forward,

1000
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 5: like you have, all of these kind of second year

1001
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 5: weeks just coming together for Chicaga. I wouldn't be surprised

1002
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 5: if Mitch Trubisky is the top five fantasy quarterbacks year.

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