1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ. Bucky 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: back with you, Buck. How you doing, mankind, I'm good, DJ. 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: I mean, few days away from the super Bowl, which 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: is kind of the final chapter of the two thousand 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: and twenty one season. But man, we're right on the 7 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 1: press of us of being able to talk about the 8 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: combine and all the other stuff. We're really kicks off 9 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: draft calendar and so kind of juggling a couple of 10 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: things at one time. But it's an exciting, a very 11 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: exciting time. Yeah, we have free agency sandwiched in between 12 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: there as well. Um, I think we're probably there's I 13 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: think there's more people like us than than people realize. 14 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: In that while we're looking forward to the super Bowl 15 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: and uh, it's gonna be a great game, and it's 16 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: kind of the obviously the culmination the biggest sporting event 17 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: of the year, I'm kind of looking forward to Monday, like, 18 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: let's turn the page and let's get to the team 19 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: building process, which we love some much. The draft, you know, 20 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: a huge component of that, and it's going to be pursued. 21 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: As I mentioned by free agency, and I think the 22 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: Bengals being in this Super Bowl two years after having 23 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 1: the first pick shows you how fast this thing can 24 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: turn around. And then the Rams, which we're gonna devote 25 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,919 Speaker 1: this episode too, and how they've built their team shows 26 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: you that there's more than one way to skin a cat. Yeah, 27 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: you know, I think it's interesting when you look at 28 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: both of these teams, um because now what happens and 29 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,199 Speaker 1: a little bit is the overreaction um of what happens 30 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: when we look at the teams that are in the 31 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. We began to kind of kind of put 32 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 1: these blankets statements out about the way these teams are constructed, 33 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: as kind of like the gospel. But I think this 34 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: is interesting because it's really contrasting styles. You have the 35 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,919 Speaker 1: homegrown team in the Cincinnati Bengals that we talked about, 36 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: the majority of their offensive players came directly through the 37 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: draft and developed process, and then they kind of augmented 38 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: that with a very heavy free agent approach to their defense. 39 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: And then you have the l A Rams, who I mean, 40 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: I'm i gonna be honest, like I'm an unabashed fan 41 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: of star power. They have said, yeah, we're just gonna 42 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: go and get stars and however you want to phrase it, 43 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: whatever analogy you want to use, whether you use the 44 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: old l A Lakers, whether you want to use the 45 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: New York Yankees, whatever dream team scenario that you want 46 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: to put out there. I think the Rams have embraced it. 47 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: And what is crazy about the way that they've embraced it. 48 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: They've been able to embrace acquiring star players and marquee 49 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: positions while still drafting and developing guys that they find 50 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: the rounds three, four or five, six and seven. To me, 51 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: it's a fascination, fascinating mix of those two principles and 52 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: philosophies coming together for one team. Yeah, it really is fascinating. 53 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: And um, I say we just kind of jump in here. 54 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: First of all, Uh, the man kind of pulling the 55 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: strings here has been less sneat and you have less 56 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: a lot of credit and their and their personnel department 57 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: for really kind of thinking outside the boxes as you mentioned, 58 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: and trying to nav get these waters and find the 59 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: best way to build the team. And I think that 60 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: that image that I have with them, and then I've 61 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: kind of used this analogy a couple of times. Was 62 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: that Sunday School analogy where it's it's about priorities. Right. 63 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: You take your big jar, and then next to the 64 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: big jar they have big rocks, they have little rocks, 65 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: they have sand, there's a couple of water, and you go, 66 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: all right, how do you get all these things in 67 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: this jar? You go, Okay, it's impossible. It's no way 68 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: you can fit all that in there. And they give 69 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: you an examples. Okay, well, what if we put some 70 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: little rocks in, then you put the water in. Then 71 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: you try and fit the big rocks and it doesn't fit. 72 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: The way that it fits is you get the big 73 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: rocks in first, and then you put the little rocks, 74 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: and then you put the sand, and then you put 75 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: the water, and then all of a sudden you get 76 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: all the things. In proper perspective, you can get it 77 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: all fit in. It's kind of like an analogy for 78 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: how to you know, balance your life. But they got 79 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: the big rocks in buck and that was premiere players 80 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: at premiere positions, even if it costs the premiere cash 81 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: or premiere picks. Yeah, DJ, you know what's fascinating about 82 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: this is we've talked about like premier positions been one 83 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: of the things that has been talked about in NFL 84 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: front offices forever, but the way that we used to 85 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: talk about it was a as the quarterback is the 86 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: left tackle, it's an outside pass rusher, maybe it's a 87 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: defensive corner or something like that. The Ramps have kind 88 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: of taken in and put a fresh spin on it 89 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: as the league has changed into a pass happy league. Uh. 90 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: They certainly have the premier pass passer and Matthew Stafford. 91 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: They've acquired a slew of playmakers. Cooper Cup who is homegrown. 92 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: Oh b J who was an outside product that they 93 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: kind of picked off the trash heep, but we know 94 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 1: that he's more than that. Van Jefferson is a homegrown product. 95 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: Tyler Higbe is a homegrown product. In the backfield, cam 96 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: Akers is homegrown, but they acquired Sonny Michelle via trade. Defensively, 97 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: we talked about as two things that matter on defense, 98 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: pass rushers and then playmakers in the back end. Pass rushers. 99 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: They had Hair and Donald homegrown. They acquired two Leonard 100 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: Floyd and Von Miller. Different means. They signed Leonard Floyd 101 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: on the cheap after he was cast off from the 102 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: Chicago Bears. And you just think about what they were 103 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: able to do. To give up for von Miller and 104 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: then Jalen Ramsey was a big trade. Just looking at 105 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: how they put it together. Man, it is a fascinating 106 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: team building discussion, and it's one that if they win it, 107 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: all of the naysayers and all of the critics that 108 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: have taken them to task and giving up all those 109 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: first round picks, everyone has to be quiet because it 110 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: worked out, and it worked out the way that they 111 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: wanted it to. All right, let's let's go back and 112 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: and look specifically at the offense. And you mentioned a 113 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: number of those guys are homegrown guys. I went back, 114 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: um and pulled up my Cooper Cup report here, buck. 115 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: That's always fun when you go back and look at 116 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: the stuff. Now, keep in mind, Cooper Cup this year 117 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: led the league in receptions, yards and touchdowns. So whatever 118 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: I said it wasn't good enough. I can promise you that. 119 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: All right, here we go. Uh Cup has outstanding size 120 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: and solid play speed lined up outside in the slot 121 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: at Eastern Washington. Use his physicality to power through press. 122 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: He's a very precise route runner, use his body to 123 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: shield off defenders, and has the ability to just and 124 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: make contested catches down the field, has very strong hands 125 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: after the catch, he flashes some bursts, and he's very physical. 126 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: Also has some experience atturning punts. Overall level competition isn't great, 127 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: but he stepped up when when Eastern Washington faced top 128 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: notch teams out of conference. Despite the large step up, 129 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: Cup is prepared to make an immediate impact in the NFL. 130 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: Now that's a positive report. That does not, uh foretell 131 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: somebody that's gonna end up emerging. Is one of the 132 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: top receivers in the NFL. But when you kind of 133 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: go through it with a red pen and you start 134 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: underlying U play strength right was there, which we've talked about, um, 135 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: precise route running right then, we've talked about excellent hands, 136 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: those are I mean you can kind of pull out 137 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: the little seeds there that kind of show you maybe 138 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: where this thing was headed. Yeah, let's go back before 139 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: we go forward. So I think the Cooper Cup um 140 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: emergence is is outstanding. It's a fascinating thing to watch 141 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: a guy from Eastern Washington, a small school, go down 142 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: to the Senior Bowling Dominate, going to the National Football League, 143 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: find his way as a role player and then emerge 144 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: and explode as a superstar. One of the things that 145 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: you consistently hear from the Rams and their people is 146 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: that our culture will quickly weed out those who do 147 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: not love football. Not so much that is look a 148 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: very taxing or grueling physical culture, but it's one that 149 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: from a mental standpoint, they put a lot on their 150 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: players to learn it, to know it, to love it. 151 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: There's multiplicity and what they do offensively and defensively, so 152 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: you've really gotta love it to dig into the details 153 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: and do it. Cooper Cup is all of that. When 154 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: you talk to him, people have gone crazy over the 155 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: things that they've they've seen hit Twitter when he's discussed 156 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: how he gets open and being able to read the 157 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: defense and all that DJ it kind of goes to 158 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: a thing that we have talked about suddenly and maybe 159 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: not enough. Man, it's a lot easier to win when 160 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: you have smart players on your team. Yeah, and not 161 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: only are we talking about book smart from an academic standpoint, 162 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: but in terms of just football smart awareness understanding, understanding 163 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: the game not only from your advantage point, but what 164 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: the opponent is doing defensively. It is a lot easier 165 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: to build with the collection of those guys, then guys 166 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: who aren't able to do it, who may have superior athleticism, 167 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: but they may be lacking in some of the football 168 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: i Q and football intelligence and instincts that we desire. No, 169 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: it's a true and I want to get that to 170 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: another receiver um that they have that's homegrown. You mentioned 171 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: Van Jefferson. Now, remember they acquired Brandon Cooks. They're aggressive 172 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: and acquired Brandon Cooks. He was a part of their 173 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: first super Bowl team. Then they decide, Okay, we've gotta 174 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: figure out who we're gonna pay and what we're gonna do. 175 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: And they realize, okay, we're not gonna allocate that those 176 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: resources to him at the wide receiver position, so they 177 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: trade him for a second round pick. That second round 178 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: pick becomes Van Jefferson. So Brandon Cooks has been excellent 179 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 1: with Houston Texans. Really, he's played great everywhere he's ever been, 180 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: all these different organizations. But to be able to get 181 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 1: somebody in Van Jefferson, who you just mentioned the intelligence. 182 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: Van Jefferson Sean Jefferson's kids, son of a coach who 183 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: coming into that draft we would all say was the 184 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: most polished route runner and maybe the most football intelligent 185 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: of any receiver in that draft class. So now you're 186 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: starting to find that that formula, that identity that they have. 187 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: Now keep them on Robert Woods, who has been lost 188 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,719 Speaker 1: for the season. He's an outstanding player. Robert Woods. You 189 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: would say the same things about him. He's tough, you know, 190 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: one of the best blocking receivers in the NFL. He's 191 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: incredibly football smart, Like he has unbelievable instincts on the field, 192 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: catches everything precise routes. Like for all this talk about 193 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: basketball teams with these other you know, organizations, the Rams 194 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: have a type, man like, they have a type and 195 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: they want those guys and talking to people that run 196 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 1: this offense in this system, it's not an excellent z 197 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: and they want all three guys to be interchangeable. You 198 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: can go anywhere and play any spot, and that's what 199 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: to have with this group, and Odell obviously fits right 200 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: into that as well. Yeah, and I think that's the 201 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: thing you talk about those other guys, Robert Woods, Van Jefferson, 202 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: Cooper Cup, like they all get tremendous credit for like 203 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: their high football like their pedigree in terms of like 204 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: how they're I would say, like most of those guys 205 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,719 Speaker 1: are perceived as like self made guys. Like when we're 206 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: in the room, if we were describing then we're talking 207 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: about how they had to work to get to that point. Yes, 208 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: we would celebrate their athletic gifts, but we would still 209 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: say they're more workman like, more blue collar than those things. 210 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: I think Oh b J, and I think his experience 211 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: with the Rams may alter a little bit of the 212 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: perception on who he is. For me, I've always said 213 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: that if I could build a team, what I would 214 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: like to build is a collection of blue chip talents 215 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: with blue collar mentalities, and I think what we're seeing 216 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: in Oh b J. He might have a little more 217 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: of that than we gave him credit, because some of 218 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: it is lost in the flash. I think when you 219 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: hear Cooper Cup talk about how impressed he was to 220 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: see O. B J learn the offense and learn the 221 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: offense on the fly in the middle of the season. Now, DJ, 222 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,719 Speaker 1: what you have is a collection of guys who can 223 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: line up anywhere on the field, and the advantage of 224 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: that from a defensive standpoint, you can't really bird dog 225 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 1: and say, hey, O'Dell is always gonna be here. Cooper 226 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: Cup is always gonna be in the slot. Van Jefferson 227 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: is always here, so to take them away, we're always 228 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: going to double this side. The Ramps have the ability 229 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: when they break the huddle, they literally can play rock 230 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,719 Speaker 1: paper scissors to determine who goes where and the thing. 231 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: I think that's such a huge advantage and it kind 232 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: of comes from where I come from in Green Bay. 233 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 1: When you play for Mike Holmgren and those old forty 234 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: Niners teams and Bill wash whatever, everybody had to know 235 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: everything because it does give you the freedom and the 236 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: flexibility to move around so you can avoid some of 237 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: the blanket tactics that teams use. I want to get 238 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: to another point here, and that is cam akers You 239 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: mentioned him Buck looking at We're looking at these home 240 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: room guys for the Rams offense. Cam akers Um was 241 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: a second round pick, right, So cam akers Um was 242 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 1: the fifty second pick in draft. So so this is 243 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: the key here, right, So they trade all these ones. 244 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: It's about no where value is in the draft. When 245 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: you have that, it's a big, big component of it. 246 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: The second round running back store is like the best 247 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: store on planet Earth. Man. You talk about the values there, 248 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 1: look at look at that year. Here are your second 249 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: round picks at the running back position. DeAndre Swift, Jonathan Taylor, 250 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: Cam Akers, J K. Dobbins, A J. Dillon. Find the 251 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: bad player. Let's go back. Let's go back to twenty nineteen. 252 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: You have Miles Sanders who went in the second round. 253 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 1: It's a good football player. He was the only one. Uh, 254 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: let's go to You end up seeing Nick Chubb in 255 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: the second round, Ronald Jones in the second round. U. 256 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: Then you end up having a couple. You know, you've 257 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 1: got Kerrie and Johnson and Darius Ice for different reasons, 258 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 1: um didn't work out for them. But you've got to 259 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 1: still too, really really good players. You go back to 260 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: second round, how about Dalvin Cook, Joe Mixon. Those are 261 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: your second round picks. Like man, that is if we 262 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: talk about we talked about it as we go up 263 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: to the draft, all the value of the running back position. 264 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: You don't want to spend one on Will freck I 265 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: got no problem spen in a two because the batting 266 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: average and those list of names are some of the 267 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: best in the business. Man. That that's that's really where 268 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: the sweet spot has been for running backs. It's in 269 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: the second round now, we have talked about. We've had 270 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: this conversation, and I come from a place where, UM, 271 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: look at the guys talented, you drive him in the 272 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: first round and you utilize them. But I think time 273 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: over time has been shown that you can get elite, 274 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 1: all Star, all Pro caliber shining backs and the second 275 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: and third round. And for some in the Shanahan system, 276 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: you're really able to shop at the bargain basement ben 277 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: which is the sixth, seventh, and maybe the free agent rounds. 278 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: But for the majority of them, the majority of the 279 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: top players are coming from that second, third round. UM situation. 280 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: Cam Acres was a guy that was as talented as 281 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: we could find at a running back position. Could catch, 282 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: you could run a guy who was a high school quarterback. Um, 283 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: he has some versatility, he has explosiveness and all of 284 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: those things, and he's able to do it. So think 285 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: about this, DJ. They're able to take a cam Makers 286 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: the second round pick as their feature back, he gets hurt, 287 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: they trade a six round pick to get a first 288 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: round in return, and Sony Michelle and we can say 289 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: what we want to about Sony Michelle. One thing is 290 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: that I learned from the late Al Davis is when 291 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: guys are taking in the first round, they were drafted 292 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: in the first round typically for a reason, and there's 293 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: a level of talent that is commiserated with the NBA 294 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: in first round picks. So the Rams have been able 295 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: to acquire these guys and put them beside some of 296 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: their homegrown guys and get a ton of bang for 297 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: their buck. M hm No, absolutely, absolutely, um. And you know, 298 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: we're kind of looking at at guys that they that 299 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: they drafted, some other players they drafted Higbee, David Edwards, 300 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: Brian Allen, haven Stein, the right tackle. Those are all 301 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: drafted guys. Now, you mentioned Tony Michelle, that was a 302 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: trade didn't cost him hardly anything. Austin Corbett was another 303 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: trade wasn't expensive. One that was expensive was Matthew Stafford. 304 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: And when we kind of have hindsight and go back 305 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: and look at this this trade, this question was posted 306 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: me on the radio this week, I'll pose it to you. 307 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: Can you over Can you overpay for a franchise quarterback? No? 308 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: Not for it. And and look, if we're being very 309 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: particular about the definition of franchise quarterback, what we're saying 310 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: is a quarterback that has the ability to be a 311 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: top eight quarterback in the league. Right top eight, we 312 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: expect him to be a top eight and really a 313 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: top five guys were really what what you want. But 314 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: someone who can be in the upper echelon the top 315 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: centile of quarterbacks in the Matthew Stafford absolutely has that talent. 316 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: He was a number one overall pick when he came out. 317 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: He has shown time and time again when he was 318 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: with the Detroit Lines that he had a propensity to 319 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: be able to lead his team back. You look at 320 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: his numbers in terms of game winning drives, fourth quarter comebacks. 321 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: I mean he is in rare air when it comes 322 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: to what he's been able to do for the Rams 323 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: to make that move DJ Man like he's delivered. Now. 324 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: I still will say that for it to be all 325 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: the way right, they need to win it because that 326 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: would be the next step beyond Jered Goff. But he's 327 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: delivered the only thing that you can never hope for. 328 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: As an organization, you always want to be in the 329 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: conversation that's a championship squad. So it doesn't mean that 330 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: you can win it every year. But man, part of 331 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: the reason why we celebrate the Patriots on the Tom 332 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: Brady is because man, you knew the road to the 333 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: super Bowl always had to go either through them or 334 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: they were on the road somewhere in the way where 335 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: you had to navigate by them. And so, yeah, like 336 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: he's been as good as advertised, even with the flaws 337 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: that we can talk about some of the turnovers and 338 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: that you can't dispute or knock to the hustle. You 339 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: can't knock the talent. Here's here's my one on that too. 340 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: You talk about not being able to overpay if you're 341 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: looking at consistency, longevity and consistency, right, if you told 342 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: me the three most important factors for having consistent success 343 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: over a long period of time, I look at three things. 344 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: But I look at the owner, I look at the 345 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: at the head coach, and I look at the quarterback. 346 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: Now obviously general manager factors in there as well, but 347 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: to me, those are even that those are the three 348 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: biggest spots. They've got an owner with deep pockets who's 349 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: willing to do whatever you need to do. Hey, you 350 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: pay Jared Goff, but then you want to move on 351 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: from him and see you later. We're fine with that. 352 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: We don't mind. Kind of a sunk cost thought there 353 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: just let's move on. Um, you've got McVeigh, who's got 354 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: a coaching tree, it's probably the biggest coaching tree in 355 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: the NFL right now. Who's gonna be coaching against one 356 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: of them in the Super Bowl. Who brings, who brings energy, 357 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 1: who brings um, creativity, leadership, all that stuff. McVeigh checks 358 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: every single box. And now you've got a quarterback who, 359 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: by all measures, are gonna be he's a top ten 360 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: quarterback in the league. Whatever you think. He's a top 361 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: ten guy, but with probably top five skill like top 362 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: five talent, and he's gonna get let's just say conservatively 363 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: four or five more years of that. So you're gonna 364 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: have all those pillars in place. You can fill in 365 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: the rest. Man. Like, that's why to me, you can't overpay. 366 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 1: And I want to. I want to get to this 367 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: point here because we talked about getting rid of ones 368 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: right now and we're you know, we'll take a break 369 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: in a minute and then we'll go look at the defense. 370 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: I know they traded two and h three for Vaughan, 371 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: But this is my challenge, like, if you're if you're less, 372 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: like this would be one of my challenges to my 373 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: scouting staff in a normal year where let's say you 374 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 1: don't have ones, which they're not gonna have, but you 375 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 1: have two. And let's assume we're picking and the bottom, 376 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: you know, the bottom six seven picks in the second round. 377 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: Every year, your challenge is to find the nugget in there. Okay, 378 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: Now I went back and looked at the second round 379 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 1: the last few years. Here's some guys that were picked 380 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: towards the bottom of the second round. Last year. Um, 381 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: Creed Humphrey was the was the third pick. Okay, great player, Um, 382 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: that would be a nice one to find. Josh Meyer's 383 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: a center for the Packers, was picked right in front 384 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: of him. Um. So Nick Bolton was the fifty eight 385 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: player who has been you know it's going to be 386 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: a perennial pro bowler for the So. So those are three. 387 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 1: Those are three gems. Right. So if you say, okay, 388 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: if you take that seven eight pick thing, there's two 389 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: or three studs in there. We have to just find 390 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: one of them. Um, you go back to the bottom 391 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: of that round. The last pick. So, assuming you won 392 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: the super Bowl, the last pick in the second round 393 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: in Jeremy Chin, Okay, you gotta find you gotta find 394 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: the Jeremy Chin. Right before him was Willie Gay. Who's 395 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 1: who's a good player. Um, that's a good find there. 396 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: Let's go to twenty nineteen nineteen. Uh, the let's go 397 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: to the bottom of that round. You know who the 398 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: last pick in twenty nineteen was in the second round 399 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: DK Metcalf, so my wan Thornhill was pick right before him. 400 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: So in other words, I'm saying, those are first round 401 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: players that you're getting at the bottom of the second round. Now, 402 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: it's not one of those deals where hey, whoever you 403 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: pick there's gonna be great. There might only be one 404 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: or two in that little eight you know, six seven 405 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: eight gap there players, But man, it's your challenge. We're 406 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 1: gonna find the d A Metcalf. We're gonna find that 407 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 1: guy in this group. So what I what I love 408 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,959 Speaker 1: about that is DJ we always talked about it and 409 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: sometimes like on draft shows, like we can kind of 410 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: get caught up in the first round and everything is 411 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: focused on like the first ten picks and those things. 412 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 1: But like this draft will be a perfect illustration. Uh, 413 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: We've talked about it on previous podcast. The strength of 414 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: this draft is like fifteen fifty there are a bunch 415 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: of guys that are similarly graded depending on what scheme 416 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 1: they go to, Like, you can kind of stack them differently. 417 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: So if you're less needing these other teams, when we're 418 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: stacking the board and we got those cluster busters, your 419 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: job is to make sure that you really refine and 420 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: go through that with a fine tooth comb, because ultimately, 421 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: DJ we see it every year. Nick Bolton, for example, 422 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: we talked about him in the run up to the draft. 423 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: We talked about him maybe as a borderline first round pick, YadA, YadA, YadA. 424 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: For him to be there at the bottom of the 425 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: second round, it just tells you that we can talk 426 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: about the draft and can talk about players, but the 427 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,239 Speaker 1: draft is weird on Draft Day and you never know 428 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: how it's going to shape. So what you wanna do 429 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 1: is you want to refine your board to make sure 430 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: that you've covered all those first rounders because inevitably someone 431 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: is going to be sitting there for whatever reason. Last 432 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,239 Speaker 1: year we talked about j Okay Osu, Core Moore had 433 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: an issue. He ends up being a second round pick, 434 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: and so what the Rams have been able to do 435 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: it They've been refined those players. But yeah, it's the 436 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: challenge to the scouting staff that hey, guys, we don't 437 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: have one, but we have to be so good on 438 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 1: day two and day three. Let's make sure return over 439 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 1: every rock and make sure we don't miss any of 440 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: the good players and make sure they're on our board 441 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: and there within proximity that we can get him. Well, 442 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: it's like a blinking light when we get to the bottom. 443 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: Thing like, hey man, this player right here, he's just 444 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: sitting right here. Take him. Yeah, Nick Bolton was my 445 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: thirty four player that they got. I believe we said 446 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: was the pick DK Metcalf. I want to say it 447 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: was my eighteenth player, sixteen or eighteen, somewhere around there. Uh, 448 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: they got him with the sixty four pick. So and 449 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 1: the other thing, um is when you're a scouting staff, 450 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,959 Speaker 1: when the rest of the league has to pour, you know, 451 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: all those resources into those top top guys, you can 452 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 1: bypass those guys. They're gonna be gone, you know, we can. 453 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 1: We can worry and put more attention and more focus 454 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: and and really dive into that next group of guys 455 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: and you'll find first round players in there. So, I mean, 456 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: I think you people look at that oh no, first 457 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: round pick no, No, you can still get a first 458 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: round player. So you get him in second round. Yeah, 459 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: you do it. And so what it does DJ It 460 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 1: also changes the way that you set up your visits. 461 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: It changes the way that you deploy your scouts to 462 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: pro days. It's all of that. Like it takes he man, 463 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: let's take those top twenty players off the board. Let's 464 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: let's take those guys off the board, and let's hone 465 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: in on these other guys because in Nevilie, we're going 466 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: to be able to workout. We're going to bring somebody 467 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: in that the rest of the league is going to miss. 468 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: And let's make sure we've done our homework and I 469 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: do diligence so that if he's there, we feel good 470 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: about it when we hand in the car and say 471 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: this is a guy that's gonna be a ramp. All right, 472 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna jump over the defensive side of 473 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: the ball. We do that right after this, All right, Buck, 474 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: let's uh, let's keep the conversation going. We've talked about 475 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: you know a lot of those homegrown pieces on offense 476 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: on defense. Um, there's some good homegrown homegrown pieces as well. 477 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: When you look at obviously Aaron Donald being the biggest piece. Um, 478 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: Greg Gaines a good player for them. Ernest Jones young linebacker. 479 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: Troy Reader is another one. You've got some undrafted guys 480 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: that have have have played well for them. Um, you've 481 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: got it. They've done a really, really nice job that 482 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: I think Reader was actually under after free agent. And 483 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: you've got Nick Scott Taylor rapped Jordan Fuller, he's on 484 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: i R right now. Um, those guys were all kind 485 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 1: of homegrown guys. I want to add one little nugget 486 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: here because this this, this is a great example. I 487 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: don't know that this story. I've heard this much this week, 488 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: but I don't know if you saw this the other day. 489 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: I think it was yesterday. It was yesterday. Do you 490 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: see Greg Robinson get arrested again? No, Greg Robinson get 491 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: a big I mean he's the second major drug arrest 492 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,959 Speaker 1: in terms of like he had, like are the drugs 493 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: on him? And it's you feel terrible. His personal life 494 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 1: is gone way way away. But as a player, and 495 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: I had a highly high grade on him, was way 496 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: too high on him. He was a bust right complete 497 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: bus is a tackle. Think about the inexact science that 498 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: this is. Think about what we can do all the 499 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: homework and you can try and project these guys out. 500 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: The Rams in that draft had the number two pick. 501 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: They took Greg Robinson, who's probably on his way to jail, 502 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: who's been out of the league for several years. I 503 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: think they ended up trading him for like a sixth 504 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: round pick, you know, after he just kind of block them. Yeah, 505 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: they took him with the second pick. With the third pick, 506 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: they took Aaron Donald, who might go down as you know, 507 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: one of the greatest defensive players of all time. It 508 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: kind of reminds me of the time, you know that 509 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: Tom Brady. You know, look at all the players the 510 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: Patriots picked before they got to Tom Brady. Man, it's 511 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: it's it's it's a hard it's hard trying to figure 512 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: this stuff out. But man, that's it's nice having a 513 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: couple of bites at the apple because the second one 514 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: was a grand Slam. Yeah. Look, I mean that's that's 515 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: part of it. As as much as we like the 516 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: thing that we're always gonna nail the top pick, it 517 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: doesn't happen. And so you want to give yourself more 518 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: lottery tickets to be able to cash in. They're certainly 519 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,239 Speaker 1: be able to cash in on here and Donald Man, 520 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: I man, I didn't even forgot about that draft man, 521 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: how about that Greg Rompson was the number one and 522 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: then they come back and get Aaron Donald. But yes, 523 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: it's one of those things. And Aaron Donald, like DJ, 524 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: here's the thing, and we we've talked about it. I 525 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 1: think we both are kind of prototype guys in terms 526 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: of like prototypical size, lemth, athleticism, speed and those things. 527 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald kind of was different because he was a 528 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: short interior defender without standing production at pit. When you 529 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: go back and track his numbers, his numbers were ridiculous 530 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: in terms of sacks and tackles are loss. You go 531 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: down and you watch him at the Senior Bowl, and 532 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: he was unblockable. It could block him, unblockable the entire week. 533 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: Motor runs high everything. But he was just in a 534 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: different package. I mean, he wasn't the six four six 535 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: five pound guy that could leap to all buildings in 536 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 1: a single bound. But to the Rams credit man, they 537 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: had a vision for him. And the thing about him 538 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: that's been so impressive he's been able to play in 539 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: multiple system multiple systems in which you wouldn't think a 540 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: guy his size and stature would be able to thrive. 541 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,719 Speaker 1: So when Wave Phillips comes in, there then a three 542 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: or four defense. Normally you can't have a shorter player 543 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: playing the five technique. I mean maybe the three, but 544 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: not really. He's not an ideal fit. It doesn't matter. 545 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,719 Speaker 1: He crushes it, you know, but he plays in Brandon's 546 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: daily system, same success. Right he Morris comes in, No, 547 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: that's just guys, just a man of blue cheir player 548 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: just kind of finds a way to do it, and 549 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: they certainly kind of tweak it to make it easy 550 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: for him to do his deal. But he definitely is 551 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: not the J. J. Watt type that we saw playing 552 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 1: way Phillips defense. But he's just as effective, no doubt. 553 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: Um and changed his body even when he got to 554 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: the league. I mean what you saw going back and 555 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 1: watch some of the Senior Bowl highlights when we're doing 556 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: that game, and I'm looking at him like he didn't 557 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: look like the same guy. Like I mean, dude, dude 558 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: is ripped up like he's a linebacker. Now he's playing 559 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,959 Speaker 1: like a two sixty five or whatever. He's playing at 560 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: a man like he's cut all this weight and just 561 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: he's a. He's a freak man, absolute freak. But those 562 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: are their homegrown guys um the trades, Jalen Ramsey and 563 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: Von miller Buck. I'll give you the floor of which 564 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: one of those moves you like best. I like Jalen 565 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: Ramsey first. Jennen Ramsey has been there more. But I 566 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: think with Jalen Ramsey gave them and I love Marcus Peters, 567 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 1: but Jennen Ramsey gave them a different type, elite corner 568 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: on the outland. Jalen Ramsey is more of your traditional 569 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: shutdown type. Marcus Peters is a ball hawk, and there's 570 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: a place for ball hawks. But Jalen Ramsey's the guy 571 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: that he's the eraser. You put him on guys and 572 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: take that guy right off the stat sheet, there's nothing happening. 573 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: I think the thing about Jalen that might be under 574 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: appreciate it. We talked about those guys that you bring 575 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: into the building for the Rams. High football i Q 576 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: instincts and awareness A lot that is lost and maybe 577 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: his bodacious personality has been that i Q. I mean 578 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: he is a high i Q, very instinctive, very aware 579 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 1: of playmaker, and by putting him in that star role, 580 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: Brandon stately really unlocked him because he allowed him to 581 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: kind of display some of his leadership skills and football 582 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: intelligence by putting them closer to the ball, and then 583 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: they've continue to kind of add to that by leaving 584 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: him inside. He is really a Swiss army knife in 585 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: that sense, and it's a luxury to have that kind 586 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: of guy that can play inside outside on a week 587 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: the week basis, and you utilize them to really sure 588 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: of the biggest weakness that you have or nullify the 589 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: opposition's biggest strength. All Right, here's one of other things 590 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: about him. I think. I think it's huge to me 591 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: when you look at the best defenses you know that 592 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 1: I've been around or that you've been around, and that 593 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: we've seen in the league, you've got to have somebody 594 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: that brings the edge and energy like those two E words, right, 595 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: And I think Jalen does that. I mean, I get 596 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: you know, doing the charge games. I see it, you 597 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: know when they're going right there, when James brings edge 598 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: and energy to that group. I saw it obviously with 599 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: ray Lewis and ed Read those guys. They had a 600 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: lot of guys on that team brought a lot of 601 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: edge a lot of energy. Um, you kind of go 602 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: back to the to the teams you're around. You saw 603 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: those guys man like that. There's just there's there's that 604 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: little component maybe doesn't show up in the stat sheet, 605 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: but it just kind of like it raises the whole energy, 606 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: the collective energy of your defense. I think outside everything 607 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: he does is a phenomenal cover guy, and you can 608 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: tackler and instincts and all that stuff is great to me. 609 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: The edge and energies is uh is the good stuff. 610 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: That is the great stuff, And I think every team 611 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: needs to have a couple of edgy personalities to kind 612 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: of get them going. Jennen brings that now it's really 613 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: important when you have a guy like Jenleen Ramsey that 614 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: the people that are coaching him understand how to kind 615 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: of wrangle the cats because it's gonna be testy at times. 616 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: You can't have to deal with some things that may 617 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: pop up from intense competitors. But when you unlock that man, 618 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: you talk about going to the next level, and you 619 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: know it's unfortunate, it's not unfortunate. I think it's a 620 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: great story. How about I won't use unfortunately. It's a 621 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: great story about Eric Weddle joining the team late DJ, 622 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: I honestly believe that might have been one of the 623 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: best moves that the team made when they needed it, 624 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: because when you look at the team and what they 625 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: were doing prior to his arrival, you had a lot 626 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: of bus You have some miscommunications, you have some things 627 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: that really will cost you games. And I will say 628 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: that the double edged sword and having someone who is 629 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: edgy and temperamental but kind of position as your communicator 630 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: is that when their emotions get high, sometimes the ability 631 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: to focus and communicate and get everyone on the same 632 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: page goes by the wayside. And Eric Weddle, I believe 633 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: the Rams acquired a guy who could settle everybody down. 634 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: And I think he already has the respect of Jalen Ramsey. 635 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: So at times if there's one person that needs to 636 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: tell Ramsy like, hey, we got it, take care of it, 637 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: I think you need to have that that elder statesman 638 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: in the room there has enough pelts on the wall 639 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: where you respect him that can still play, because look, man, 640 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: I know where I'll retired a couple of years ago, 641 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: but the guy that I'm watching on tape, that guy 642 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: still could play if you wanted to like. He's not 643 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: the all star Whettle, but he's certainly good enough tackle 644 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: make some plays and tackle and do some things. He 645 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: has been an underrated acquisition that has helped the Rams 646 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: get to this point, no doubt. The other one I'll 647 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: add in there and and real quick on the von 648 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: Miller thing. We said it at the time, no brainer. 649 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: I mean, for the cost of a two and three, 650 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: he's a he's a put you over the top chip. 651 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: He's on a sack streak right now. He gets in 652 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: a rhythm as a pass rusher. I don't think you're 653 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: gonna get it from him all seventeen weeks of the 654 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: regular season. You don't need to. This is what you've 655 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: made that trade for is to get where you are 656 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: right now. And I think you'll have a big packed 657 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. Um so we love that trade 658 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: as well. Leonard Floyd, you you mentioned him briefly. Buck 659 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: the last two years with the Rams ten and a 660 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: half sacks, nine and a half sacks. He's kind of 661 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: a forgotten man, and he's one of the more unique 662 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: players with his body type. He's six five, he's two 663 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: hundred forty pounds. He's just really long and ranging and 664 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: athletic and you can do a lot of different things 665 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: with him. Um, I think he's he kind of fits, 666 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: you know. I was. I was thinking about this game 667 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: and how the the Bengals try and slow down this 668 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: pass rush, one of the things you see a lot 669 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: of teams do. Right you go tempo. I was trying 670 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: to gas these guys out. But when you look at 671 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: him and even just look at the body types up front, 672 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: like Vaughan is so Is so Lean, and then you 673 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: look at Leonard Floyd so Lean and you look at 674 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: the motor and the shape that Aaron Donald is in, Like, 675 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if you can't gas those guys out, 676 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: Like that's not These aren't like the three hund pound 677 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: dudes that you're trying to two five pound edge rushers 678 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: Like nah, I think these guys can go all day long. 679 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: They had a bunch of nascars, a bunch of race 680 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: hors off the edge, ripping around everybody. What you acquire 681 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: and here here's what we we've talked about the star 682 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: prower butt in a different way. DJ. The reason why 683 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: you want stars. Stars are meant for these games. You 684 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: don't acquire stars necessarily for the regular season you want 685 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: solid role players, you want depth, you want a nice 686 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: team to be able to get you through the regular season. 687 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: But the playoffs, the playoffs are about the stars. DJ. 688 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if there's been one pivotal play or 689 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: game changing play in the postseason that's been delivered by 690 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: somebody who wasn't considered a start on any team, because 691 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: in the postseason, it's about your blue chip players getting 692 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: you over the threst show like that's when they take 693 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: it the time. But all right, thank you for getting 694 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: this here, We'll get you over the top. So having 695 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: von Miller in the bullpen, having Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey, 696 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: all those guys we talked about on offense for these moments, 697 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: and what you're hoping is that the talent overwhelms the opponent, 698 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: that they're so talented, they play at such a level 699 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: that they overwhelmed the opponent. And right now, the way 700 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: the Rams have done it, that's kind of been their 701 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: calling card. One last point, I'll kind of wrap up 702 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,800 Speaker 1: the defense here. We we talked about knowing where to 703 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: shop for running backs, right the second second round is 704 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: the story you want to go shot for running backs. 705 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: Here's another point, I'll make and what they've done in 706 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: the personnel department. A guy like Darius Williams. Okay, Darius 707 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: Williams was an undrafted free agent with the Baltimore Ravens. Um, 708 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: he was in that organization, then he got claimed. Um 709 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: he comes over from there to the Rams. So what's 710 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: the what's the lesson there? The Baltimore Ravens had the 711 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: deepest cornerback room in the NFL. Have you think about it. 712 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: They all got hurt this year, but over the last 713 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: three or four or five years, they've had the deepest 714 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: corner I'm talking they're going four or five corners deep. Um, 715 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: it's the strength of their defense. So find out the 716 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: teams that not only know how to scout position and 717 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 1: then have depth quality depth of those positions. And then 718 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: those when you keep an eye on the waiver on 719 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: the waiver wire, those are the teams and the positions 720 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: that you monitor and once you get your opportunity, boom, 721 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: you take it. Now did you have I think that 722 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 1: is there is something to that because teams do have 723 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 1: a reputation. Some teams have a reputation for being able 724 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: to develop certain positions. Are you just kind of know 725 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: that those guys go, they're gonna play. They can play 726 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: in the league. They have a surplus, and you just 727 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 1: kinda you're just kind of lurking around waiting for them 728 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: to slide a guy through the waiver wire that you 729 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: can scoop up and play. I would also say that 730 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,280 Speaker 1: the one thing about the Rams, uh and you noticed 731 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 1: from watching Brandon Staley's teams each week on defense, they 732 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: are teams that require their dbs to have a lot 733 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 1: of different tools in the tool belt. Yeah, you have 734 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 1: to be able to play from off, you needed back, butter, 735 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: you need to be able to play with your eyes 736 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: on the quarterback at times, you need to be able 737 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,399 Speaker 1: to press. But they have a tendency to prefer well 738 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,479 Speaker 1: rounded players. And when you think about the Rams and however, 739 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 1: Raheem Morris is trying to continue on this defense that 740 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: is kind of style and originally designed from Brand's daily 741 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,479 Speaker 1: off coverage zone coverage. They'll play some man, but really 742 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: this is not really a heavy man to man team. 743 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: They want to see the ball, they want to get 744 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 1: the ball, and they play well. And so being able 745 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 1: to have guys were very balanced games has given them 746 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: an opportunity to play the kind of defense that you 747 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: need to play to be successful in the postseason. Yeah, 748 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 1: I've heard, you know, coach Daley say at times and 749 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: talking to him, like if a guy can only do 750 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 1: one thing, he's not really it's no good man like that. 751 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: That doesn't help us. You have to be able to 752 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: do multiple things. And I think that that stands really 753 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,839 Speaker 1: you know, kind of the position list thing that we've 754 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: talked about over the last few years, and that doesn't 755 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,800 Speaker 1: necessarily mean you need a guy that you know to 756 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,359 Speaker 1: rush the pastor and then cover receiver. Like we're not 757 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,319 Speaker 1: talking about this crazy range of skill sets. But you 758 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,320 Speaker 1: can do a couple of different things. You can drop 759 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 1: if you need to drop, um, you know, you're a linebacker, 760 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,919 Speaker 1: you you can you can play out in the hole, 761 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: you can you can rush the pastor a little bit. 762 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: Just having a couple of different things you can do, 763 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 1: which just gives you so much freedom and so much 764 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: flexibility and goes to what we're saying on the other 765 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,720 Speaker 1: side of the ball, you know, having all these receivers 766 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: be interchangeable is huge. Um So I think that's kind 767 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:14,919 Speaker 1: of a pillar of of how they've built their team 768 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: there with the Rams. Yeah, I mean I think that's it. 769 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, we've talked about versatility, we talked 770 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: about high i Q, all those things kind of resulting 771 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,919 Speaker 1: you having guys that have multiple tools on the tool bill, 772 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: and you have to be able to have those things. 773 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: And the teams that are multiple, the teams that have 774 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: a variety of different ways to be able to get 775 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: to the winner circle, other ones that are really are 776 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 1: tough to defeat in the postseason. And because the Rams 777 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 1: can attack you in so many different ways on both 778 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: sides of the ball, with a variety of different players, 779 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: it's overwhelming. The talent is overwhelming. I think the big 780 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: thing in this game, like we can talk about team building, 781 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,760 Speaker 1: but in this game is more of can the Rams 782 00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 1: avoid messing it up as opposed to having to win 783 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,399 Speaker 1: it because their talent on paper would say that they 784 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 1: just if they keep it in the fairway they went. 785 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: You know, if we were playing golf, I know you're 786 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: not a golfer, but if we were playing a golfer, 787 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: I was. We're playing golf, I say, DJ put if 788 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: I'm telling Seanmvee, I miss Caddie hey Man, put the 789 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: driver the bag. Yeah, just you know what I'm gonna 790 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 1: do Hey, let me let me, let me take that. 791 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave that here. I'm gonna leave that here 792 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,479 Speaker 1: in the clubhouse. And what we're going to do today 793 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 1: is we're gonna play with our woods and our irons, 794 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 1: and if you just hit it in the fairway, we'll 795 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 1: we'll win the jacket on Sunday. But if you go 796 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: out there with a big driver and you're trying to 797 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: trying to get down into trying to hit these bomb shots, 798 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,400 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a problem. Just put it in the fairway. 799 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 1: All right, you teased it right there. We're gonna take 800 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: one quick break. We're gonna come back and give you 801 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: our super Bowl predictions here for super Bowl fifty six. 802 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: All right, buck, I feel like everybody's got to do it. Um, 803 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: it's our turn here. As we wrapped this one up, 804 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,800 Speaker 1: it's been fun to take a deep dive here on 805 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,760 Speaker 1: the rams. If you missed the episode on the Bengals, 806 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 1: and encourage you to go back and listen to that. 807 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: Just some different things we took away from their roster 808 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: building process, what you can learn and maybe what could 809 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,839 Speaker 1: benefit some of these other teams around the league. It's 810 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: been a fun exercise. But the time has come. We've 811 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,319 Speaker 1: got to pick this one here. Who who do you like? 812 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 1: What's the score? Who's the m v P? Oh my gosh, 813 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 1: my heart. Okay, So see here's here's the conundrum. Right 814 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 1: in my head. Everything in my head says, hey, the 815 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 1: ram should win this like this should be maybe like 816 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: a two touchdown game. You look at the talent on 817 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: both sides of the ball. You look at the line 818 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. Defensively, Von Miller, Leonard Floyd, Aaron Donald, you 819 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: got a playmaker and Janalen Ramsey offensively. Man, I'll take 820 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 1: my chance with Obi Jane Cooper Cup against Eli Apple 821 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,280 Speaker 1: and those guys. But then I think about the Bengals 822 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,319 Speaker 1: path to get here. They've already knocked off the number 823 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:50,919 Speaker 1: one team, and they have seen the Titans, they knocked 824 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,759 Speaker 1: off to kandasy the Chiefs. I mean, they're now on 825 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: the road, on the road, on the road. Like I mean, 826 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: there there's a hard thing and people have made this 827 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 1: compare and it's the comparison that are hearkened to man, 828 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: I remember when the remember when the dog on Patriots 829 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: knocked off the greatest show on turf and no one 830 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 1: thought that they could do it, and no one could 831 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: see a path for them to win. But I'm sitting 832 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 1: here looking at the quarterback and I'm looking at Jamar 833 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: Chase and the running game because remember the Rams are 834 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 1: struggled against the running game at times. Joe Mixing is 835 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 1: the hidding factor. Look, man, I messed with a a calling 836 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: shot because no one cares. Hey, let's go to the the Bengals. 837 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: I'll take this one only because, like I do, believe 838 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 1: that there's a path for them to do it if 839 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,279 Speaker 1: they control the game. If they win, though, the only 840 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 1: way they can win is if Joe Mixing plays at 841 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: the m v P level. He's gonna be super MVP 842 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,319 Speaker 1: for you. Then yeah, he has to be the main 843 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 1: reason because to me, they don't want to get an 844 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,920 Speaker 1: attract me with the Rams, even though they have the 845 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,319 Speaker 1: talent offensively do They want to control it and they 846 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 1: want to get into the fourth quarter. And I think 847 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 1: if they're able to control it with Joe Mixing a 848 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty rushing yards, I would say would would 849 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 1: be the thing. If he's able to get that a 850 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,279 Speaker 1: hundred fifty yards whatever canby scrimmagers, how are you into it? 851 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,319 Speaker 1: Then they have a chance to win. Otherwise, I think 852 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 1: the Rains are gonna send him home. Yeah, I'm I'm 853 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: I'm I'm torn on this one because I've said it 854 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,399 Speaker 1: many times. Joe Burrow is my favorite player to watch 855 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 1: in the league. I love him, um, and he's if 856 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 1: he wins this, I will i will put him in 857 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 1: the Tom Brady category from this standpoint right, not saying 858 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 1: he's Tom Brady. I'll say this. I learned, and it 859 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 1: took me a long time to learn it, to just 860 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 1: never never go against Brady, Like whatever common sense says. 861 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,719 Speaker 1: You look at his players and their players, and you 862 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,799 Speaker 1: can rationalize it that you get to the point you're 863 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 1: just like Tom Brady is playing, I'll pick him. Um, 864 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 1: if if Burrow pulls this off, I'm gonna have the 865 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,759 Speaker 1: same thought about him going forward. And just like that, 866 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 1: dude's just such an assassin and such a killer. Like 867 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: I'm just I don't care. I mean, the offensive line 868 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,760 Speaker 1: is not very good, the Rams have an unbelievable defensive front. 869 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: You know, if if he wins this game, then going forward, 870 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 1: I'll probably adopt you don't bet against Joe Burrow ever, philosophy. 871 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: We're gonna do that already. I just I don't I 872 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: think he would an assassin. He's just he's in a 873 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,959 Speaker 1: complete assassin and I think if they win this game, 874 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 1: he'll he'll be the m v P. I think it's 875 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: gonna be on him to to get it done. I 876 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 1: just don't know how they block these guys. I can't. 877 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,920 Speaker 1: I can't wrap my mind around it. I remember the 878 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,840 Speaker 1: Super Bowl with Casey and Tampa and I said the 879 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,320 Speaker 1: same thing. I said, Look, I love Patrick Mahomes and 880 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 1: I think he's he's the best in the business. I 881 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,280 Speaker 1: do not know how their tackles are gonna block JPP 882 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 1: and Barrett. I didn't. I just don't see how they're 883 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 1: gonna block those guys. And they couldn't. And that was 884 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,239 Speaker 1: the game. And I look at this. I look at 885 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,520 Speaker 1: this Bengals offensive wine against this Rams front. I'm like, man, 886 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 1: I man, I love Joe Burrow, I love the weapons, 887 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 1: I love Joe Mixing, I love all that. You know 888 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 1: how they block these guys, So that that's why I'm 889 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:38,879 Speaker 1: gonna go with the Rams. I think it's a little 890 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,560 Speaker 1: bit of a shootout, but I think I went Rams 891 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,120 Speaker 1: thirty one then just to tick off Raett. I I 892 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 1: stole his thunder and pick Cooper Cup as the m 893 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 1: v P. Look, man, it's a double one. I mean, 894 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,839 Speaker 1: I believe this would have to be one more so 895 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,759 Speaker 1: where the Rams lose it. Oh if like, look, if 896 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,799 Speaker 1: Stafford plays a game, not a great game, a clean game, 897 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: I think they win. The only only the way they lose. 898 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 1: If he's if he's turned it over a bunch, then 899 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 1: they have to they have to turn it over. They 900 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 1: have to turn it over. And so if this was 901 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 1: a prize fight, I would tell Sean McVeigh go into 902 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: the fight trying to win on points. Let the knockout 903 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 1: happen in the late rounds. Don't feel like you have 904 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,120 Speaker 1: to come out and throw haymakers and deliver bomb after 905 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,840 Speaker 1: bomb after bomb. Take your time and slowly, methodically whittled 906 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 1: the being goes down and didn't knock them out in 907 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,320 Speaker 1: the second half because if they come out maybe over aggressive, 908 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 1: were about the turnover is coming, because let's be honest 909 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,600 Speaker 1: that you only get so many shamrocks and rabbit feet. 910 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 1: I don't know how many of these interceptions can be 911 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,840 Speaker 1: dropped by the opponent before they catch him in and 912 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 1: so they've gotten away with a few of those, I 913 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,480 Speaker 1: don't know if they can continue to live dangerously like 914 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 1: that because the Bengals have been catching them this year. 915 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,879 Speaker 1: This postseason. Yeah, now it's gonna be a fun game. 916 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 1: Looking forward to it. Um, we'll have all the recap 917 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,480 Speaker 1: stuff for you on Move the Stick Monday, so be 918 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,839 Speaker 1: sure to look out for that one. We've got your cover. 919 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,279 Speaker 1: We want to give a special shout out to the 920 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,120 Speaker 1: Bill for all the research he did for us as 921 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,040 Speaker 1: we did these last two episodes. He is the best 922 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,520 Speaker 1: in the business. UM, appreciate you guys hanging with us, 923 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,640 Speaker 1: and we'll catch you next time right here on Move 924 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:14,160 Speaker 1: the Sticks.