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Speaker 1: Wiker is a longtime friend of mine and he is

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Speaker 1: the senior national security editor at nineteen forty five dot com. Brandon,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: It's good to be here, absolutely so, Brandon. You've been

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Speaker 1: a longtime expert. Really here looking at munitions, US defense readiness,

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Speaker 1: and we have a lot of things to talk to

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Speaker 1: you about. First is some major breaking news. Guys. We

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Speaker 1: we are getting reports now from the United States is

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Speaker 1: going to be moving parts of FAD anti missile systems

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Speaker 1: from South Korea to the Middle East, in addition to

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Speaker 1: multiple Patriot interceptors from a cost the Indo Pacific. So, Brandon,

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Speaker 1: this is something you and I had predicted at the

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Speaker 1: or so into this already cannibalizing stockpiles for a much

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Speaker 1: more geopolitically important part of the US interest. But more importantly,

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Speaker 1: what does this say about US defense stockpiles readiness and

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Speaker 1: how the war is going with Iran right now?

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Speaker 3: Well, it certainly puts to bed the claim by heg

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Speaker 3: control over the situation and we're doing so much American amazing,

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Speaker 3: you know, raw rab blowing up things. Well, ultimately we've

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Speaker 3: So we're at day ten, so we got a couple

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Speaker 3: winning anything, and in fact, now we are starting to

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Speaker 3: weaken our standing in the Indo Pacific. And I just

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Speaker 3: want to point out that when these reports started surfacing

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Speaker 3: like they've been quote betrayed by the United States. And

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Speaker 3: so this, you know, again repeats the Kissinger line that

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Speaker 3: to be an enemy of America is dangerous, but to

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Speaker 2: I wanted to get your reaction to a post I

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Speaker 2: saw this morning from Professor Robert Paye. He says Iran

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Speaker 2: war strategic results of ten days of bombing attack Iran

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Speaker 2: leads to regional war, leads to global impact, warspread to

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Speaker 2: fourteen countries, oil crisis. Iran retains fifty percent plus missiles.

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Speaker 2: Iran retains enriched uranium hardening not collapsing. US gas prices

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Speaker 2: up about twenty percent. I mean, do you agree more

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Pape has been on the money with

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Speaker 3: yesterday we saw President Trump, you know, try to I think,

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Speaker 3: But he has no intention of ending it. I've said

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Speaker 3: for whatever reason, is deeply committed to this particular conflict,

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Speaker 3: and I don't believe for a second he has any

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you know as well, that's not going to happen.

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Speaker 3: With our current force posture and certainly with our current armaments,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good flag there. We also wanted to get some

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Speaker 3: Well, let's start with that last part first, because that's

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Speaker 3: So what the Iranians have done very deftly, and this

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Speaker 3: their much more advanced missiles, which they haven't even really

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Speaker 3: we can shoot them down. You've also noticed the Iranians

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Speaker 2: I mean, the whole thing seems so insane because it

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Speaker 2: of all, we've watched the way that these drones have

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Speaker 2: you know, we've been talking here about this interceptor math

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Speaker 3: Well, if you remember, Vice General Kocher, on the eve

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Speaker 3: working in another capacity, a lesser capacity. The fact of

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Speaker 3: I think there's a telecommunications firm there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: And you know, there might be something else with the

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Speaker 1: Just so people are watching this, Brandon's not a liberal,

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Speaker 1: he's at all. Gee, yeah, you know, Brandon and I

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Speaker 1: everybody understands in case that they're confused about some of

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Speaker 1: your analysis, which makes you more courageous by the way,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got you. Should see the hate mail I've

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Speaker 1: Right there with you, brother. But here's the thing. I've

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Speaker 1: seen significant amount of pushback on you, Brandon, and they say, Brandon,

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Speaker 1: you're an idiot. The idea that Iran is achieving its

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Speaker 1: to that. You know, Iranian missiles have been what is

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Speaker 1: said Trump said ninety percent have been eliminated only a

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Speaker 3: They, like I said to Steve the other day, we

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Speaker 3: I would say also is it's an interesting fact. I

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Speaker 1: And so brandon. Everything you're saying points to so pro sectary. Hegxet.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly what's going to happen. I think we're

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Speaker 3: But ultimately the MEK is highly unpopular in Iran itself. Furthermore,

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Speaker 2: What makes you, you know, what gives you that concern,

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Speaker 3: The situation in Israel is dire. It is it is

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Speaker 3: And they're very annoyed with us because we're not, in

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Speaker 4: You you wanted this war.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna you know, we're gonna be here until you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Tucker asked me about this, and as I said

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Speaker 1: Well, the other thing that was flagged me Brandon was

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Speaker 1: Terri, Fine, last thing we wanted to ask you about

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Speaker 3: Is, Well, then that's a cult.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, agreed, agreed on old time, Brandon. I really

434
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Speaker 4: appreciate it.

435
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Speaker 2: It's really just great to get your analysis so insightful.

436
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us.

437
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Brandon always.

438
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Speaker 3: I'd love to be back.

439
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, see you, dude, see you. Turning now to

440
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Speaker 1: the oil markets, yesterday was literally one of the most

441
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 1: historic days in the history of the oil market. Massive

442
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: swings past one hundred dollars a barrel, all the way

443
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,719
Speaker 1: down to some eighty eighty nine dollars per barrel at

444
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Speaker 1: the time that we are recording this. But what it

445
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Speaker 1: is acknowledgment of is this administration is panicking over the

446
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Speaker 1: price of oil. They're floating a lot of different things

447
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,640
Speaker 1: we showed you earlier. Trump says he may take over

448
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 1: the entire Straits of hor Moves. As of this morning,

449
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 1: it appears the United States Navy is spending significant amount

450
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 1: of time going after Iranian mining assets all throughout the

451
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: Straits of Our Moves. But Trump has also floated a

452
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,679
Speaker 1: different option, telling Fox News that some of these maritime

453
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Speaker 1: pilots they need to just have some guts and run

454
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Speaker 1: the straight, take a lesson.

455
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Speaker 5: Here's exactly what he said. These ships should go through

456
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 5: this trader for removes and show some guts. There's nothing

457
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Speaker 5: to be afraid of.

458
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Speaker 3: They have no navy.

459
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Speaker 5: We sunk all their ships. You would have to say,

460
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 5: he said, look, there's risk in the region. The regions

461
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Speaker 5: followed them.

462
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Speaker 1: Have some guts. There's nothing to be afraid of out

463
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Speaker 1: there except for missiles, except for fire. Also, did you notice,

464
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Speaker 1: like the video that they're playing of Tehran the oil apocalypse,

465
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, have some guts and just go

466
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Speaker 1: through that. By the way, they'll have plenty of guts.

467
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Speaker 1: If oils at two hundred dollars a barrel, sure they'll

468
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Speaker 1: go at the current price. No, they're not doing it,

469
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Speaker 1: especially with all of the insurance stuff that's going on

470
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Speaker 1: right now. I also did wanted to make sure that

471
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Speaker 1: Fox News, which you know your member, was very concerned

472
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Speaker 1: about gas prices, as was I think all Americans should

473
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Speaker 1: have been. Underbiden. Now they're saying, look, pull up your trousers,

474
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Speaker 1: all right, pull your pants up and get ready for war,

475
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Speaker 1: boys and girls. It's your patriotic duty to pay more

476
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Speaker 1: at the gas pump. Take a listen until people can

477
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Speaker 1: wrap their heads around that.

478
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Speaker 6: I just think about every time this happens and people

479
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Speaker 6: start the gas prices, my dad pulls out the ration

480
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Speaker 6: coupon book from World War Two and tells me how

481
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 6: my granddaddy's Chevy dealership just went poof overnight. Didn't get

482
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 6: it back, lost his business, It just went goodbye because

483
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Speaker 6: all of the auto manufacturing was redirected toward wartime manufacturing.

484
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Speaker 4: So let's pull our trousers up, shall we.

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Speaker 1: I mean, sounds like your dad is a reasonable kuy right,

486
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Speaker 1: It's like he kind of should be worried about gas

487
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Speaker 1: prices and telling some of those stories in the past.

488
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Speaker 1: That's what I think about too, every time we get

489
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Speaker 1: is this a.

490
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Speaker 2: World War two? We all need to come together. No,

491
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Speaker 2: people do not want this war. I mean, it's it

492
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Speaker 2: is very likely to make the world a more dangerous place.

493
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Speaker 2: It is already putting Americans at greater risk. They are

494
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Speaker 2: unlikely to accomplish any of their objectives. The end state

495
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 2: of this is much more likely that Aroun is going

496
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Speaker 2: to acquire a nuclear weapon and then your cavalierly from

497
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Speaker 2: your air conditioned studio with your multimillion dollar salary there

498
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 2: in Manhattan telling Americans to pull up their trousers and

499
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Speaker 2: sacrifice for a ward that they did not want. I mean,

500
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Speaker 2: it's so disgusting and preposterous to me. And you're righty

501
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 2: to point out the hypocrisy too, of course, because I'm

502
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 2: sure when it was Biden and it was Ukraine, there

503
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 2: was all kinds of concern for ordinary Americans and you

504
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Speaker 2: know what they would be paying at the pump.

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Speaker 1: Right exactly, you know, right right now as we're speaking,

506
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Speaker 1: I was just checking the triple a three point fifty

507
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Speaker 1: three a gallon. It's going to be three fifty four

508
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Speaker 1: roughly a gallon, and an increase from one week ago

509
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: where it was three dollars and ten cents. One month

510
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 1: ago it was two dollars and ninety two cents.

511
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Speaker 2: And we're just getting started, baby, we are just getting

512
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Speaker 2: started here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, what a disaster. And then diesel also remains,

514
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Speaker 1: you know, way on its it remains on its way

515
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Speaker 1: to some four or five dollars per gallon, So you

516
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Speaker 1: all know how that that's going to work out. Let's

517
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Speaker 1: go and put the price of oil up there. As

518
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Speaker 1: I explained yesterday, literally one of the most historic days

519
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Speaker 1: in the history of the oil market. We took this

520
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: literally right as we are filming, So keep that in

521
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: mind as things all swing around. You have no idea

522
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: where things are going to end up. Don't forget though,

523
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: that even where it is right now. So it's eighty

524
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Speaker 1: eight to forty gallon in the live market in the

525
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Speaker 1: last month. That means that oil is still up some

526
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Speaker 1: thirty eight percent in terms of its price, and obviously

527
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Speaker 1: that's going to impact that's going to impact what happens

528
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Speaker 1: at the gas pump. But the main reason why the

529
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Speaker 1: price of oil appears to have gone down, let's put

530
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Speaker 1: e four up here on the screen, is because we

531
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Speaker 1: are now turning and quote standing ready to release emergency

532
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Speaker 1: oil reserves. So finance ministers from the entire G seven

533
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Speaker 1: are pledging necessary measures to tackle surge and crude prices,

534
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Speaker 1: but stop short of an immediate deal. So they said

535
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Speaker 1: they won't immediately release it, but they said they want

536
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Speaker 1: to address the impact of the Iran war stand ready

537
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Speaker 1: to take necessary measures were included to support global supply

538
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Speaker 1: of energy, such as stockpile releases, However, that would only

539
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: be about ninety days or so worth of supply that

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00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: they'd be able to release into the market, and if

541
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Speaker 1: things did continue to go on, then obviously you have

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Speaker 1: the whole strategic petroleum reserve which is going to take

543
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: a hit, but you also have the war which they

544
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: would need to wrap up at that time. So this

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00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: is currently like the biggest indication, but I do think

546
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Speaker 1: it's already worth noting things are already going crazy all

547
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Speaker 1: across the world. So Bangladesh, one of the poorest countries

548
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Speaker 1: in the world, they're already reporting power outages. Pakistan is

549
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: reporting grid problems in Bangalore. Actually, let's put E six

550
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: up there on the screen. The story was going around.

551
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 1: Bangalore hotels will now face shutdown from March tenth due

552
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Speaker 1: to commercial gas supply, so cooking gas. If you've never

553
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: been in India, there's a lot of cooking gas. That's

554
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: the way that they cook everything. Bangalore, by the way,

555
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: is one of the most developed cities in all of India,

556
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Speaker 1: if you've ever been, that's where all the Silicon Valley

557
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: people go. I'm pretty sure there's a direct flight from

558
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Speaker 1: San Francisco to Bangalore. So imagine these meta executives sitting

559
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: in the four seasons and they're like, whoa hold on

560
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: a second, where's my breakfast man, And they're like, yeah, sorry,

561
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: we can't cook anything because of a gas constraint. So

562
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: you could seriously begin to see some of this stuff

563
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: ripple across the entire world. And remember what Rory Johnson

564
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: said on our show yesterday. He's like, we will see

565
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: significant demand destruction across the entire Third world, Like you

566
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: will see the Third world supplies there will just dry up.

567
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Speaker 1: People won't even be able to drive. The rest of

568
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Speaker 1: the developed world will just pay five dollars a gallon.

569
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Speaker 1: But that's the nightmare scenario or where we are right now.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 4: What he said was crazy.

572
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Speaker 2: He was like, remember back to when everything was shut

573
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 2: down in COVID and the level of demand destruction that entailed,

574
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 2: meaning that people are not going anywhere because everyone was

575
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 2: just locked in their houses. He's like, that's what we're

576
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 2: talking about here. That's the level of demand destruction that

577
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: you're going to need in order to be able to

578
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Speaker 2: equalize these markets if this persists were any significant amount

579
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Speaker 2: of time. So that's where we are. I mean, you

580
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Speaker 2: look at the markets and they are betting on a tago.

581
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: They're betting that Trump is going to end the war,

582
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Speaker 2: that it'll just be a little blip that you know,

583
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: the oil markets will be a little bit you know,

584
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: there will be some challenges in the short term, but

585
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 2: they'll be able to recover and all the oil fields

586
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 2: will continue operating and the straight uform moves will be

587
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: reopened and things will get back to normal in the

588
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 2: like immediate are like very near term, And look, maybe

589
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: that's possible. It's possible Trump find some way to declare

590
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Speaker 2: mission accomplish and that the Iranians, having been thoroughly, you know,

591
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Speaker 2: battered in a lot of ways, are like, okay, fine,

592
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 2: we'll walk away as well. That's possible, but it's not

593
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Speaker 2: looking likely just given the I think the Trump Taco

594
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: part would be a reasonable bet. But on the Iranian side,

595
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: it's certainly not what they're projecting, and it would not

596
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: be logical for them strategically to at this point say, okay,

597
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 2: we're going to allow you to recoup and regroup when

598
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 2: clearly you are sustaining damage. We're going to allow you

599
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: to rebuild, for example, your radar satellite systems in the

600
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: region so you can better track our missiles. We're going

601
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 2: to allow you to recover and to spend more time

602
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: manufacturing interceptors so you're more ready the next time around.

603
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 2: Why would that make any strategic sense for the Iranians?

604
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: And the other thing, just going back to the point

605
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Speaker 2: I was making before, they are engaged as much in

606
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Speaker 2: economic warfare as they are in military warfare. You know,

607
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Speaker 2: their goal is to crash our stock market, to crash

608
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Speaker 2: our economy, to you know, squeeze us in terms of

609
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Speaker 2: gas prices.

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Speaker 4: That is their goal.

611
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Speaker 2: And so as you know, as the markets are betting

612
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 2: that things are just going to go back to normal,

613
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Speaker 2: that is the polar opposite of the strategy that is

614
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Speaker 2: being deployed here by the Iranians. I guess the other

615
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 2: possibility is that we truly have degraded their capacity to

616
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Speaker 2: the point that they can't keep up the blockade and

617
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Speaker 2: the Strait of Hormos, which by the way, isn't even

618
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 2: really a blockade. They've just scared people enough that, you know,

619
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Speaker 2: and screwed with the insurance industry enough the tankers are like, okay,

620
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Speaker 2: we're not going to do this right now. But perhaps

621
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Speaker 2: we've degraded them enough that they can't launch more missiles

622
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Speaker 2: that you know, their leadership is taken out enough that

623
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Speaker 2: they can't continue to drone strike you know, various facilities

624
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Speaker 2: in the region, or pose any sort of a threat

625
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 2: to vessels that are trying to pass through the street.

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Speaker 4: That would be the other bet.

627
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Speaker 2: But again, given that they have this decentralized leadership, given

628
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Speaker 2: the fact you see no indications of you know, massive

629
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Speaker 2: riffs within the regime or any sort of public uprising,

630
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Speaker 2: given that they have significant domestic manufacturing capacity for the

631
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Speaker 2: you know, the drones that they're able to create in

632
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Speaker 2: a very low cost way, it seems very unlikely to

633
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Speaker 2: me that that is going to be the direction that

634
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Speaker 2: we ultimately go in. And last thing I'll say is, look,

635
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Speaker 2: we have been covering this long before this war. Are

636
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: economies a house of cards? Right? The whole thing, I mean,

637
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Speaker 2: the job creation already last month was negative. The only

638
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 2: sectors that added any jobs throughout all of twenty twenty

639
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Speaker 2: five were basically like healthcare and social services, the only

640
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: real growth industry or these freaking data centers.

641
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Speaker 4: Well, guess what that's based on, the economics of that

642
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 4: is based on.

643
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Speaker 2: Access to cheap energy. So the whole thing is built

644
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 2: on this access to cheap energy. That's the whole bet.

645
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,479
Speaker 2: You know, the AI bet that's been placed in our

646
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 2: economy that is all being threatened right now by the Iranians.

647
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Speaker 2: And they're smart enough to understand that there's no doubt

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Speaker 2: about it.

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00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: Well, don't forget some of the ripple effects. So, for example,

650
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Speaker 1: the Golf States, the Golf States, if they have contractions

651
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Speaker 1: in their economy, what are they going to do? Who

652
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: wants to tell me who is financing a ton of

653
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: these data center deals? The golf emerts, the UAE, all

654
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: of these people. Who wants to tell me who's financing

655
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: Paramount and their current purchase of You know, I'm not

656
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: going to cry about that one, but saying like Paramount

657
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: and their takeover of WBD, Saudi's bunch of the Golf States.

658
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: If this Golf State money drives up, I mean who,

659
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: God only knows what the hell they are flowing? Uber

660
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: is you know, massively invest Google Twitter. I mean like

661
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: you have no idea, the tentacles, It's in everything. And

662
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: if they have to start exiting their positions or sell,

663
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Speaker 1: I mean, God help us. In terms of the US economy,

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about shopping mall closure. I remember where I

665
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: was grew uping up in Texas, All the nicest malls

666
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: are all owned by like the Kuwaiti royal family. You

667
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,479
Speaker 1: have no idea where all of this cash has been.

668
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: That's their whole strategy is about coming like this with

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Speaker 1: the US, with the assumption is we'll defend them. Now

670
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Speaker 1: what right, And if they're really starting to hit yeah,

671
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: now they're at Target, they're mad, they might pull their cash.

672
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: That's what that billionaire was saying. He's like, hey, you know,

673
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: you know, the whole point of this whole thing was

674
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: we get something in exchange. But if this deal is

675
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: going to dry up, we might fundamentally rethink a whole

676
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: lot of assumptions and cause a lot of problems for

677
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Speaker 1: you too. And that's probably what I'm the most afraid of.

678
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: So it's ordinary Americans, our whole capital markets, venture capital depression.

679
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's how the nineteen seventies played out.

680
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Speaker 1: So it's it's really bad.

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Speaker 2: All right, Let's get to Epstein. Since this is potentially

682
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 2: part of the reason why we're in this war. Nobody

683
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 2: really knows, although I think a majority of Americans probably

684
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: believe that this has something to do with why Trump

685
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 2: felt the need to launch this insane war. We have

686
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: some new, very significant developments on two fronts. So one

687
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 2: directly does involve Trump. We've been talking about how some

688
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: of the interviews with one of with his most credible

689
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: accuser in terms of, you know, in the context of Epstein,

690
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 2: how those interviews were not available while under pressure. They

691
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 2: have now been revealed. So put that to the side.

692
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that in just a second. The other piece, though,

693
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: has to do with a potential cover up of what

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Speaker 2: really happened on the day that Epstein died.

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Speaker 4: Let's put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: This is a pretty bombshell reporting here from the Miami

697
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: Herald and also from the New York Post.

698
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 4: The headline here is and this of course Julie K.

699
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 6: Brown.

700
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Speaker 4: Prison guards discussed cover up of.

701
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: Epstein's death, an inmate tells the FBI, I'll read you

702
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 2: from the story, and inmate house the Metropolitan Correctional Center

703
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 2: in New York told the FB he overheard guards talking

704
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 2: about covering up Jeffrey Epstein's death on the morning he died.

705
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: The federal government's online Epstein Library contains a five page

706
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 2: handwritten report of an FBI interview with an inmate who

707
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 2: awoke the morning of August tenth, twenty nineteen, to the

708
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 2: loud commotion in the special housing unit or or shoe

709
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 2: where he and Epstein were jailed.

710
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Speaker 4: Breathe, briethe.

711
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: He recalled officers shouting about six thirty am. Then he

712
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 2: said he heard an officer say, dudes, you killed that dude.

713
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 2: A female guard replied, if he is dead, we're going

714
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: to cover it up, and he's going to have an

715
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: alibi my officers, the FBI notes. The FBI notes said

716
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: the inmate claimed the whole thing. Hull Wing overheard the exchange. Later,

717
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 2: after learning Epstein had died, he said, inmates said miss

718
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 2: Noel killed Jeffrey. He identified the female guard as Touve Noel,

719
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Speaker 2: one of two correctional officers who were later charged with

720
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Speaker 2: falsifying reports. So it appeared from their records they had

721
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: made their rounds that night when they had not. The

722
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Speaker 2: charges against her and the other officer, Michael Thomas, were

723
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 2: later dropped, but both were fired.

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Speaker 4: So that is one of the pieces.

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Speaker 1: Here.

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00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: We get another piece from the New York Post which

727
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: adds to the story of this one guard Noel. So

728
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 2: this Epstein prison guard googled him minutes before his body

729
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 2: was found, and also made mysterious deposits before his quote

730
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: unquote suicide. One of Jeffrey Epstein's prison guards, this very

731
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Speaker 2: same one that the inmates said was involved. She had

732
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 2: googled Epstein minutes before he was found dead, so supposedly

733
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Speaker 2: no one knew he was dead, and she's there googling

734
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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein in prison. She also made a mysterious five

735
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 2: thousand dollars cash deposit ten days before the Predators jail

736
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: cell suicide. New Department of Justice documents reveal she was

737
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 2: one of two Metro Correctional Center workers accused of falsifying records.

738
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Speaker 2: So you know, she's the one who was supposed to

739
00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: be there watching him. She's allegedly falls asleep and they

740
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 2: falsified the records. That was the story. The guards were fired.

741
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: Criminal charges against both were later dropped. Specifically, what she

742
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: googled at five forty two am and then again at

743
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 2: five point fifty two am, forty minutes before her colleague

744
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: found Epstein dead in his cell. What she googled was

745
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: quote latest on Epstein in jail, So she googled latest

746
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 2: on Epstein in jail forty minutes before anyone found his

747
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 2: body allegedly. And then the other piece is this this

748
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: money that you know, mysteriously turned up in her account.

749
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Speaker 2: Apparently she was shopping for furniture online. Apparently she was

750
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Speaker 2: driving a fancy vehicle as well. You know, I'm not

751
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: sure that that's easy to come by when you're earning

752
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Speaker 2: the salary of a prison guard. So some pretty significant

753
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: questions here, Sager about, Okay, was this investigated, what was determined?

754
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: Did anyone ever look into where this cash came from?

755
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 2: You know, what the hell happened here? Because these are

756
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: some pretty wild claims being made.

757
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, the defense is, well, she googled a bunch of

758
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: the inmates, so I'm like, okay, what about the cash?

759
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: Also Google, it's a little weird. And then there was

760
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 1: a you know, the cover up, and then there was

761
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 1: all the cameras and so look, I mean, oh, body

762
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: double remember that, the body double? And then the press

763
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: release draft that came out the day of where it

764
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,479
Speaker 1: was drafted the day before. None of this stuff adds

765
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: up the autopsy and you put it all together. I

766
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: just think it's so obvious that this is I think

767
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: it's so obvious that something much bigger, yeah, happened here. Well,

768
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Speaker 1: I don't believe the official story.

769
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Speaker 4: That's it, period.

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Speaker 2: And let me give you just a couple more details

771
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 2: here about miss Sowell. Apparently, her bank record showed seven

772
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Speaker 2: different cash deposits totaling eighty dollars in the weeks leading

773
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: up to and then immediately after Epstein's death. The largest

774
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 2: one was that five thousand dollars deposit. She was driving

775
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: a sixty two thousand dollars land Rover Range Rover brand new,

776
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: and she was not apparently asked about the cash cash

777
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: during her DOJ interview, and internal FBI briefing also released

778
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 2: in the files reveals the agency thought NOAEH was likely

779
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 2: the mysterious orange shape spotted any blurry surveillance video near

780
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: epstein cell around ten forty pm that night. So mysterious

781
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 2: cash drive in fancy car, shopping for furniture, googling Epstein

782
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 2: before he's known to be dead, for you know, theorized

783
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: to be that mysterious orange shape that they initially lied

784
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: about and pretended didn't exist and then said must have

785
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 2: been an inmate.

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Speaker 4: And so I, yeah, I don't know.

787
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Speaker 2: That's that's dry your own conclusion, that's yeah, drive your

788
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: own conclusions. Indeed, Okay, let's get to the Trump aspect

789
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 2: of this story. So, as we've been covering the uh

790
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 2: the Trump accuser who had called into the FBI originally

791
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 2: as an anonymous tip, but they found to be credible

792
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: enough to have interviewed her four times. This was a

793
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 2: woman who claimed in the eighties, when she was roughly

794
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: thirteen years old, that Trump sexually assaulted her and that

795
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 2: this you know, it was Epstein that you introduced her

796
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: to Trump and enabled this abuse. And she also alleges

797
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 2: that Epstein abuse sexually abused her as well as one

798
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 2: other wealthy man from the Hilton Head, South Carolina area,

799
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Speaker 2: And we'll get to that at a moment. So, under pressure,

800
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Speaker 2: the Justice Department has now released all of these interviews.

801
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 2: We previously had access to only one. Now we have

802
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 2: access to all of these interviews. We can put this

803
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 2: up on the screen. Justice Department releases missing Epstein documents

804
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: with Trump allegations. On Thursday, they publicly posted these records.

805
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 2: The agency said the files, which include details from FBI

806
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 2: interviews with woman who told authorities she had been sexually

807
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: assaulted by Trump and Epstein, had not been previously released

808
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: because they were incorrectly determined to be duplicates of other records.

809
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 2: Oh oops, we just happened to withhold these ones. Sorry guys,

810
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,959
Speaker 2: made a mistake. Anyway, here they are. Justice departments posted

811
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: millions of pages of Epstein related records online. The woman

812
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 2: who was interviewed by the FBI in twenty nineteen accused

813
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: Trump of sexually assaulting her decades earlier, when she was

814
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 2: a minor. No evidence has emerged publicly to corroborate that accusation.

815
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: The White House has, of course called the allegations against

816
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 2: Trump quote completely baseless, accusations backed by no credible evidence. However, listen,

817
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 2: and that is all true, right. We don't have any

818
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 2: confirmation that this claim was actually true, that this is

819
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: something that really happened.

820
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 4: However, there are a few things to know.

821
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Speaker 2: Year Number one, the FBI did consider her credible enough

822
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 2: that they interviewed her four separate times. Okay, That indicates

823
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: that they took the claim seriously. Also, in addition to

824
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: her reports and interviews with the FBI, one of her

825
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: friends also actually called into the FBI to say, Hey,

826
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Speaker 2: this happened to my friend. You know, Trump and Epstein

827
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Speaker 2: sexually used my friend. So you have not only her,

828
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Speaker 2: but you have a friend as well who also separately

829
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Speaker 2: called in to the FBI's.

830
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 4: Anonymous tip line. Then you also have this.

831
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Speaker 2: Let's put this next piece up on the screen. This

832
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: is from the Post and Courier based in Charleston, South Carolina.

833
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: And so they dug into some of this timeline because

834
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 2: she made accusations that a lot of this abuse, not

835
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 2: the Trump abuse actually, but the Epstein and another wealthy

836
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: man abuse happened in Hilton Held, South Carolina. So they

837
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 2: say here fuzzy memories and hard facts and sc accusers

838
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: claims against Epstein and Trump examined, and what they found,

839
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 2: using archive, government records and news accounts was that the

840
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,720
Speaker 2: woman did provide verifiable details to agents about her family

841
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: background and its legal entanglements. She offered the name of

842
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: an Epstein business associate on Hilton Had Island who became

843
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: a central figure in the drama, with specifics that are

844
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Speaker 2: reflected in public records.

845
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Speaker 4: So this is a horrifying situation.

846
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Speaker 2: Allegedly, her mother rented out a number of properties Hilton

847
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: Had Island, you guys probably know, is like big resort area,

848
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: and one of the houses she rented to was to

849
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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein. Separately, she advertised that her daughter, who was

850
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 2: thirteen at the time, was available as a babysitter, and

851
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 2: lo and behold, who again alleged hires her is Jeffrey Epstein,

852
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: who then proceeds to abuse her, proceeds to have a

853
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 2: wealthy friend, business owner in Hilton, South Carolina, also abuse her,

854
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: and then when her mother discovers that Epstein had nude

855
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 2: photos of her, Epstein allegedly again extorts this woman's This

856
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 2: then girl's mother and says, I'm going to release these

857
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: photos if you don't pay me this money. So she

858
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 2: goes to her boss, who is the wealthy business owner

859
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: who is also abusing her daughter, and arranges to get

860
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 2: this money to pay off Jeffrey Epstein who is now

861
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: extorting her. And this is all like she ultimately ends

862
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: up being sued by this company for this money, et cetera.

863
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 2: So there is a paper trail of all of these

864
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 2: details which seem to match up with what the allegations

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Speaker 2: ultimately say. And then the last part of this that

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00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 2: is just so incredibly sad is that this allegedly pushes

867
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Speaker 2: her mother into drinking. She her life falls Apart, of course,

868
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Speaker 2: this young girl thirteen years old, her whole life falls apart,

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Speaker 2: and you know, she's in and out of relationships after that,

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Speaker 2: and you know, struggling with addiction and all of those

871
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 2: sorts of things. And one of her one of her husbands,

872
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 2: said that she had told him that the reason she

873
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 2: was so traumatized and you know, her life was such

874
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: a mess, was because of this abuse from Jeffrey Epstein. So, again,

875
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Speaker 2: we don't know about the Trump part of this story.

876
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: Obviously he denies it, et cetera. But the other details

877
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: she offered in the context of this overall allegation and

878
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: story do line up with the timeline, the places, the people,

879
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 2: the even the you know, the court records.

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00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: Et cetera. Yeah, I think the biographical detail confirmation is important.

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00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: I will say on the Trump stuff, it is. I've

882
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: looked into this one. It's very hard to believe. So

883
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: Mark Epstein, the brother says Epstein never had a property

884
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: in South Carolina. Also, the year doesn't make any sense.

885
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: So Epstein was only thirty years old in nineteen eighty four.

886
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty four is long before he had any real money.

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00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,919
Speaker 1: This even pre dates his initial relationship with Wexner. There's

888
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: no reason he would have known. Donald Trump was already

889
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 1: a billionaire at this time. Actually, nineteen eighty four is

890
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Speaker 1: right around the time whenever he's fired for bear Stearns

891
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: and that he goes starts the Jay Epstein company of

892
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: the so called like this is when I think he

893
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: was involved in a lot of these deep intelligence activities. Now,

894
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: the skivy behavior part with Epstein may actually, I mean,

895
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Speaker 1: it could be true. You know, we don't really know

896
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Speaker 1: for sure. A lot of that portion of his life

897
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: is extremely unknown, so it is possible. We do know

898
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: that he had this sketchy behavior with young girls at

899
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: the Dalton School, and obviously this is something I've been

900
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: fetishizing and obsessed with, you know, for a long time.

901
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: But the Trump part of this one really doesn't make

902
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: a lot of sense because there's just no reason that

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00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 1: they would have known each other back in eighty four,

904
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Speaker 1: and there's no public reporting around that at the time. Now,

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Speaker 1: she could be getten the date wrong. It could be

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00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: you know, it could be wrong, but that's the she

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00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: specifically says, nineteen eighty four, and everything I know about

908
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: his life, it doesn't make any sense. So he the bear.

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Speaker 2: Stearns fallout happened in eighty one, and so in eighty

910
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 2: four he was operating this company he founded in New

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00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 2: York that was allegedly providing company, yeah right, providing advice

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00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 2: to wealthy clients, et cetera. So he has not fully

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Speaker 2: established himself as these.

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Speaker 1: This is when I think he was an economic hitman,

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Speaker 1: like he was doing the Hoffenberg the Ponzi scheme. Eighty

916
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Speaker 1: four is in the It was before he's really rich, right.

917
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Speaker 1: He didn't become actually rich until the early nineteen nineties,

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Speaker 1: So this is the time whenever he's working with Douglas

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Speaker 1: Lease and ad Na Kashogi. I think this is really

920
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: when he got a lot of his intelligence Bonafi. I

921
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: also remember in the early nineteen eighties, that's right when

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Speaker 1: he's working with Iran Contra. I wouldn't put it past

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Speaker 1: him some of the behavior necessarily, I hadn't heard, you know,

924
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: specifically though, anything about extortion. I mean, who knows, though

925
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: this is part of the problem. A lot of the

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Speaker 1: early nineteen eighties. We really don't know a lot about him.

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Speaker 1: But the Trump part on this one, I'm not buying

928
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Speaker 1: it yet, at least that's from what i've and I'm

929
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: just saying I call it like I see it. If

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Speaker 1: I'd seen more, if i'd seen some stuff fro the

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Speaker 1: nineteen nineties or any of that, I would definitely have believed.

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Speaker 1: I will say it's sketchy, you know, not releasing it.

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Speaker 1: That's that part I think we can definitely agree on.

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Speaker 1: Just want to make sure we give all that context. Okay, guys,

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941
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Speaker 1: Sor that's how the news is going right now. But

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