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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Dutton Zaren Burnett.

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Speaker 3: I know you, I know you, all right, Well, I've

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Speaker 3: been waiting a week to ask you this.

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Speaker 2: Do you know it's ridiculous?

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Speaker 4: I do, Yes, I do.

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Speaker 2: Did you see me ever here waiting to hear it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Okay, so check it out. Our fans' biggest passion points

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Speaker 4: are food mashups? Oh lord, who am I? Who am

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Speaker 4: I talking about? Are fans' biggest passion points are food mashups?

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Speaker 2: Americans passion points?

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Speaker 4: Well, it could be the rude dudes, right, but no,

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Speaker 4: it's a.

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Speaker 2: It's smart better than that.

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Speaker 4: They are better than that. It's marble Slab creamery, which

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Speaker 4: I guess is like a southern East Coast version of

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Speaker 4: Coldstone Creamery.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm familiar with whatever.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how they live. So they paired up.

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Speaker 4: And now this isn't new. This is apparently a couple

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Speaker 4: of years old. But they paired up.

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Speaker 2: Now you're going to the bank of massis.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah they have. There's like a frequent flyer, a

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Speaker 4: repeat offender inshups, one that comes up a lot. And

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Speaker 4: I think I've talked about them. Ice cream it's not

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Speaker 4: Ranch Valley ice cream, that Ranch Valley flavor. No, it's Cheetos.

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Speaker 4: I don't think I've talked about cheetohs.

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Speaker 2: It oh cheese.

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Speaker 4: I don't even another cheese.

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Speaker 2: I just don't.

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Speaker 4: Well, so Cheetos. I get a lot of these tips

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Speaker 4: from listeners, and Cheetos comes up a lot, like they

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Speaker 4: make like all sorts of gross stuff, and you see

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Speaker 4: it out and about like a lot of the takarias

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Speaker 4: around here, Cheetos everywhere.

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Speaker 3: You know, tacover you want to fried fish with Cheetos exactly?

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Speaker 4: Well, apparently the Marble Slab creamer you will throw it

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Speaker 4: in some of their ice cream. Why, they said they

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Speaker 4: can't wait to bring a little mischief to summer. They've

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Speaker 4: also they did like a Kraft Mac and cheese ice cream,

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Speaker 4: So you know they're not innocent in all this. But anyway,

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Speaker 4: so they they they said that Marble Slab Creamery and

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Speaker 4: Cheetos have a lot in common. Our brands are both fun, witty,

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Speaker 4: youthful and provide a playful release from reality, a.

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Speaker 2: Playful releast who is a brand?

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Speaker 4: What's in the Cheetos that they're like? I just want

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Speaker 4: to dip out of reality. Let me just get.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 4: So there's also.

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Speaker 2: Now there's Cheetos.

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Speaker 4: That tip about the ice cream came from listener Jen Silvas.

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Speaker 4: Listener Allie Wilkins strikes again. She's already given us a tip.

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Speaker 3: She came through again, ally, why are you gonna do

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Speaker 3: it to me?

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Speaker 2: Twice?

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Speaker 4: In twenty nineteen Fashion Week, did you know that there

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Speaker 4: was a Cheeto's couture show?

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Speaker 2: No, because I get out of the house.

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Speaker 4: It was it was like some serious budget project runways.

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Speaker 4: I mean, a lot of legs, fluefy orange and snake

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Speaker 4: print and God help us all. But yeah, like so

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Speaker 4: Cheetos needs to lay off, they need to back up.

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Speaker 3: Just stay in your lane. Cheat does Yeah, give me

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Speaker 3: goodness and give me snacks.

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Speaker 2: That's what I mean.

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Speaker 4: It's like, I feel like these things are getting wilder

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Speaker 4: and wilder, and.

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Speaker 2: We also have more desperate, is what I get.

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Speaker 4: We also have to really think about our definition of

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Speaker 4: a mashup though, because I am getting some stuff.

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Speaker 2: Where definition believe I asked that question it has to be.

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Speaker 4: Sort of like opposite ends of the spectrum. So, like

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Speaker 4: I mean, ice cream and Cheetos. I think that's on

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Speaker 4: the line for me because it's like a sweetness savory

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Speaker 2: Normally wouldn't would normally be paired together.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean that's not always true. And so

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Speaker 4: some stuff like I've gotten a lot of like zebra

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Speaker 4: cakes that those little Debbie zebra cakes. I don't know,

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Speaker 4: there's some sort of jump, but there's like a candle,

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Speaker 4: so it's candles, so like it's just going to be

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Speaker 4: like a sweet smelling, gross smelling candle. Guess what, we

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Speaker 4: got a ton of those in the world, So I

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Speaker 4: don't really count that as a mash up.

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Speaker 3: Or like a colonne that smells like leather, not really

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Speaker 3: a mash up because a lot of clones smell like leather.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, especially like the Demeter colognes that are like

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Speaker 4: smell precise and like I know you're talking about anyway, whatever. Okay,

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Speaker 4: I've had enough of the mashups myself, so that's it.

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Speaker 2: Well, that is all ridiculous. Thank you, you know I got.

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Speaker 3: I got something for you that is definitely ridiculous. Yes, please,

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Speaker 3: the man who started America's war on drugs, that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: His name was Harry j Anslinger. Okay, he's what you

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Speaker 3: would call a prick and a hypocrite. He's that's not

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Speaker 3: a judgment call on my part, by the way, that's

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Speaker 3: a fact.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's just known.

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Speaker 3: He was the head of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, right,

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Speaker 3: he was also a drug dealer. Specifically, yeah, specifically he

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Speaker 3: was the connect for a sitting US senator's morphine supply.

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Speaker 3: Wait wait, yes, that man, that senator. He was the

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Speaker 3: one who started the Red Scare witch hunt. He teamed

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Speaker 3: up with the man who started the war on drugs,

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Speaker 3: and together those two men decided to change American history forever.

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Speaker 3: What it was a classic example Elizabeth, of do as

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Speaker 3: I say, not as I do, these drugs myself.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, this is ridiculous crime.

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Speaker 3: I'm a podcast about absurd and outrageous caper's heist and

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Speaker 3: cons It's always ninety nine percent murder free and one

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Speaker 3: percent ridiculous. Yes, Elizabeth, I came out hot today. I

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Speaker 3: said the head of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics was

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Speaker 3: supplying horse or in this case, morphine to a sitting

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Speaker 3: US senator. I did to say he was a drug dealer.

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Speaker 3: I said he was supplying drugs to a sitting US senator.

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Speaker 3: That's a lot who was this US senator. What do

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Speaker 3: you know about Senator Joseph McCarthy.

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Speaker 4: Terrible, terrible human being?

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, Now, I'm going to tell you a lot

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Speaker 3: about him today, but I knew you'd be somewhat familiar.

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Speaker 3: But just to lay out some biographical detail. Joseph McCarthy.

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Speaker 3: He was born in nineteen oh eight. He was the

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Speaker 3: son of a Wisconsin farmer. He was fifth of nine kids.

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Speaker 3: At age fourteen, he dropped out of school to help

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Speaker 3: the family on the farm. Very Midwestern, very common at

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Speaker 3: that time. Later, at twenty years old, he went back

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Speaker 3: him being the son of a hardscrabble farmer, he had

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Speaker 3: to go and work his way through college. So what

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Speaker 3: does he do. He goes off to Marquette, a Jesuit university.

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Speaker 3: It's the Catholic university in Milwaukee. While he's there, he

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Speaker 3: becomes a boxer, so he's fighting to be in school.

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Speaker 3: He also earned some coin as a coach.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: He develops at this point his quote bare knuckle boxing

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Speaker 3: mentality to life. Right, So he graduates from Marquette. He

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Speaker 3: becomes a lawyer. He's ambitious, this young Joe McCarthy. I'm

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Speaker 3: telling you. One year after graduating law school, Elizabeth, what

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Speaker 3: does he do. He runs for district attorney. Year after

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Speaker 3: so he runs and he lost. He was young, so

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Speaker 3: what did he expect? Right, So Joe McCarthy, he goes

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Speaker 3: and to make ends meet. He's having trouble because you know,

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Speaker 3: he's ambitious, but he's a first year lawyer.

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Speaker 2: There's not a lot of work. So he starts gambling.

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Speaker 2: He just gambles to make ends. Made it work.

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Speaker 3: He gambles regularly heavy he's apparently good at it. A

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Speaker 3: He's like, I've been a lawyer for a few years,

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Speaker 4: So I'm a gambler, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, And he wins that election. So he becomes a judge.

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Speaker 3: Now to beat the incumbent, the young Joe McCarthy, he

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Speaker 3: relied on the old American tradition of lies in falsehoods.

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Speaker 3: The Joseph McCarthy character, if you will, the persona he became.

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Speaker 3: He found that he was particularly good at lying professionally

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Speaker 2: Three years old. He was actually sixty six years old.

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Speaker 3: The lie worked because the voters never checked the facts

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Speaker 3: state's youngest circuit judge to ever be elected. Then come

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Speaker 3: the warriors, Elizabeth. So what does young ambitious Joe McCarthy

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Speaker 3: want to do. Well, as we know, World War Two

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Speaker 3: following the bombing of Pearl Harbor. So that surprise attack,

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Speaker 3: and because before that we're isolationist, as you know. So

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't know if he need.

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Speaker 2: To join the war.

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Speaker 3: And so his buddy Van Sustern, he ain't hearing it.

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Speaker 3: He's like, he tells Joe and I quote be a hero,

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Speaker 3: join the Marines, right. Joe's like, well, I prefer to

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Speaker 3: be a hero at home. And Van Sustern he's taken

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Speaker 3: it back by his friends. Remember he was also the

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Speaker 3: by this cowardice and he asks him. He's like, what's

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Speaker 3: the matter you got near blood, and so Joe McCarthy's like, WHOA.

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Speaker 3: So Joe McCarthy decides, you know what, I'm gonna be

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Speaker 3: go out there, and he's planned is to go grab

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Speaker 3: since I've been bullied into going and you know kind

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Speaker 3: as an officer. So he joins the Marines as a

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Speaker 3: first lieutenant and accordioners war records. I looked these up.

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Speaker 3: Jose McCarthy. He begins to war as an intelligence officer.

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Speaker 3: He was aboard of dive bombers. Who's up there in

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Speaker 2: All that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 3: This letter was signed by Admiral Chester W. Ninnets. Now

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Speaker 2: Big man.

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Speaker 3: Come to find out, Old tail Gunner Joe wrote the

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Speaker 4: We got the letter to prove it and everything of

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, So Elizabeth, Also, what do all good war

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Speaker 2: They have war wounds?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't have a war wound. So did old

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Speaker 3: Hell, if he's gonna give himself one. He had to

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Speaker 4: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: Well, anyway, while he was you know, sitting there, you know,

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Speaker 3: So after the Warriors, what does Joseph McCarthy do next,

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Speaker 4: That's a big trajectory to go from new judge in

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Speaker 2: To US Senate. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he didn't do anything at the state level.

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Speaker 3: By the way, he still was on active duty when

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Speaker 4: He's not coming to any debates exactly, he's just missing everything.

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Speaker 3: But anyway does it's not gonna stop Old Joe. Two

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Speaker 3: It was Joseph McCarthy. He was the actual war prophets

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Speaker 4: So family money because he came from farm folks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he had no money and he wasn't getting paid

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Speaker 3: that well. As a judge, he's like just putting socking

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Speaker 5: The ugly back in a flash.

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Speaker 2: All right, Elizabeth Zabbin, Hey, what's so Joe McCarthy. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're digging him.

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Speaker 4: Oh he's he's a peach.

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Speaker 2: Isn't a fun one.

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Speaker 4: He just gets better and better the more I learned.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you never hear about this side of Joe McCarthy.

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Speaker 3: This had happened in the cloak room of a Washington,

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Speaker 4: So I'm going to think that he did a little

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Speaker 2: I think so, maybe both why not both rather cowardly.

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Speaker 3: And now whatever happened in that clerk room that made

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Speaker 3: He's like, I'm just noting for my barre knuckle politics.

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Speaker 3: right now this at this point, we're in the nineteen fifties,

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Speaker 3: He's completely Some of his colleagues have already lobbied to

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Speaker 3: There was a publisher in a Nevada named Hank Greenspun.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know him.

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Speaker 4: He published the Las Vegas Sun. I used to write

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, I was gonna say it worked for his kids.

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Speaker 3: Worked for the Las Vegas review journals. I would say,

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Speaker 3: It's the Las Vegas Son. Okay, Well, you're Alma Mater.

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Speaker 3: Hank Greenspun, the publisher, he was in a personal battle

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Speaker 3: he testified, right, So he wrote a story that tailgunner

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Speaker 3: He In his daily column from October twenty fifth, nineteen

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Speaker 3: how will he was going. Is he wanted to get

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Speaker 4: Fifteen old at that time. Like I mean even today

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Speaker 2: They got in the mud with Joe, is my point right?

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Speaker 3: So about is Cat Greenspun? We should do a whole

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Speaker 3: And what I found. In nineteen forty seven, he was

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Speaker 3: the press agent at the Flamingo Hotel and Casino aka

439
00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,080
Speaker 3: the first casino in Vegas. He was the one who

440
00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,520
Speaker 3: had to sell America on Vegas and and he did it.

441
00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,560
Speaker 3: And his boss, mind you, was the swanky gangster Bugsy Seagull.

442
00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:34,840
Speaker 3: So after he gets Vegas going, what'd he do? He

443
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,760
Speaker 3: establishes a newspaper, So it was, you know in nineteen

444
00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,560
Speaker 3: this is nineteen forty nine. He buys the Sun in

445
00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,880
Speaker 3: nineteen fifty makes it his Now, in between being Bugsy

446
00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,840
Speaker 3: Seagulls press agent and founding the Las Vegas Sun and

447
00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,680
Speaker 3: giving himself the Daily Column, he could attack a senator. Yeah,

448
00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,760
Speaker 3: he conducted basically, I don't want to put this a

449
00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,520
Speaker 3: smuggling case of in World War two Surplus. He was

450
00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,720
Speaker 3: arrested and convicted of violating the US Neutrality Act. Yeah,

451
00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,399
Speaker 3: Cordi was FBI five then late forties. Green Spun had

452
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,280
Speaker 3: been running fifty caliber machine guns to Israel. Then he'd

453
00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,360
Speaker 3: smuggled out of Hawaii out of the military Surplus, sent

454
00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,320
Speaker 3: them to Mexico where they were then smuggled to Israeli fighters.

455
00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,879
Speaker 3: He gets busted on this. For his punishment, he just

456
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,000
Speaker 3: has to pay ten grand. Oh, he saw no prison time,

457
00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:20,360
Speaker 3: so clearly he was protected. So this guy Greenspun, he's

458
00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 3: not afraid to go after the schmuck senator from Wisconsin.

459
00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,879
Speaker 3: I'll take him on. So he just keeps attacking him.

460
00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,440
Speaker 3: In his weekly column and like, there's some stuff when

461
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter, but he he gets bad, It gets

462
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,720
Speaker 3: real bad, and I'll just you know, so the smears

463
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,880
Speaker 3: come out. Jigger Hoover now he's alighted by this. He's like, oh,

464
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,520
Speaker 3: he has to get involved because the legendarily unscrupulous head

465
00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,720
Speaker 3: of the FBI he grabbed onto scandal and sallacious like

466
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,160
Speaker 3: a baby goes from mother's milk.

467
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Speaker 2: It's just like, oh, give me some of that.

468
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,760
Speaker 4: He was like, yeah, thirsty for it. He loved.

469
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Speaker 2: He lived off the dirt.

470
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the creepier, the weird of the better.

471
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 3: Completely it was his mana. It was like this kept

472
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 3: him going. It crossed the desert of time. From this,

473
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 3: he immediately has his g men investigate there's any truth

474
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 3: to these rumors. Now he finds a letter from this

475
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 3: one army lieutenant who claimed that he slept with the senator,

476
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 3: and he finds a bunch of other rumors in Washington.

477
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 3: But Jagger Hoover determines and he announces that old tail

478
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 3: gunder Joe's no homosexual. So a year after Greenspan's column

479
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,440
Speaker 3: in nineteen fifty three, Joe McCarthy he marries a researcher

480
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,440
Speaker 3: in his office, someone he'd married. So he marries his secretary,

481
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 3: essentially right, Everyone says this is to quell talk about

482
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,280
Speaker 3: his sexuality. Now, despite all these many personal enemies and

483
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 3: these serious attacks that are being leveraged against him, old

484
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 3: tail gunner Joe, he keeps his position in the US Senate.

485
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 3: But not only that, he grows in power. At first,

486
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 3: he was this isolated figure, a man who always ate

487
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 3: a loan in the Senate lunch room. But then Elizabeth,

488
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,119
Speaker 3: just like Steve Martin's the Jerk, he found his special purpose.

489
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 3: In nineteen fifty two. He finds that a witch hunt

490
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 3: can earn him friends, fame, infamy alike. And so the

491
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 3: news coverage, Oh my god, the news coverage. So his

492
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 3: name is now known from coast to coast.

493
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 2: He loves this.

494
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:58,919
Speaker 3: This is all Joe needs to hear. It's like, oh,

495
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 3: everyone's talking about Joe McCarthy. So he starts stoking the

496
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 3: flames of his communist which hunt with this speech nineteen

497
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 3: fifty Wheeling, West Virginia. He claims the quote, the state

498
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Speaker 3: department is infested with communists. I have here in my

499
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 3: hand a list of two hundred and five a list

500
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 3: of names were made known to the Secretary of State

501
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 3: as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless

502
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Speaker 3: are still working and shaping policy in the State Department.

503
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 2: That's a major claim.

504
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,919
Speaker 3: That is, so he had a secret list, Elizabeth so

505
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 3: ws like that. They can't be ignored, though, So the

506
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 3: Senate votes to unanimously, mind you, to conduct an investigation.

507
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 3: So the Tidings Committee is launched.

508
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Speaker 2: Right now.

509
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 3: This is never intended to be a serious committee. It's

510
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 3: a show committee. It's just meant to like make people see.

511
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Speaker 5: What you know.

512
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Speaker 4: That's a common Washington.

513
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

514
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 2: Look, look we're theater.

515
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 4: We're not really doing We have real issues, but no,

516
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:50,120
Speaker 4: continue with the theater.

517
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 3: So Democratic Senator Millard Tidings himself, he said, quote, let

518
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 3: me have him, this is McCarthy for three days in

519
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 3: public hearings, and he'll never show his face in the

520
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 3: Senate again. So now, how wrong was he? So well

521
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 3: glad Tidings missed on that one. So the first investigation

522
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 3: was the beginning of the Red Scare. In the years

523
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 3: of the this is we got marks the rise of McCarthyism.

524
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 3: So now the Senator, he said, of his own this

525
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 3: new term McCarthyism. He said, Coote McCarthyism is Americanism with

526
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,360
Speaker 3: its sleeves rolled.

527
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 2: Like that.

528
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 3: See, that's all bare knuckle politics. So now he decided, uh,

529
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 3: you know, okay, well we'll skip ahead of Elizabeth. I

530
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 3: just I really want to tell you this. Can you

531
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 3: guess which American political family dynasty did the most to

532
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 3: empower and legitimize Senator Joseph McCarthy. Which American political family dynasty?

533
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 3: We only have a few of them. Yeah, it's not

534
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 3: the Adams.

535
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 4: Family, paper the Kennedy's. Well, that's what I mean. I

536
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 4: just couldn't imagine.

537
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Catholic connection, I anti communism and Catholicism.

538
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the most.

539
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 3: Virulent anti communists of the mid center we were Catholics.

540
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 3: That was their bag, right, So Joe McCarthy Catholic, Kennedy's Catholic.

541
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 2: They line up there. Now.

542
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 3: Joseph Kennedy, he was a former bootlegger and a gangster,

543
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 3: and he was shepherding his sons into politics. He wants

544
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 3: to go legit and he's like Senator Kennedy, President Kennedy anyway,

545
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 3: he's eager for the one of them to be elected president.

546
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 3: That's where he's got his eyes set on. He wanted

547
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 3: to be He got to be ambassador to Ireland, but

548
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 3: he really wanted to be president. So Joe Kennedy thought

549
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 3: the other Irish Joe and politics could be helpful to

550
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 3: his boys. So McCarthy could soft pedal the idea of

551
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 3: a papist holding high office.

552
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 4: That was a big deal, right, you.

553
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 3: Don't even hear that term anymore, A paper stand for

554
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 3: those who don't know. A papist to somebody who is

555
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 3: a Catholic, Yeah, it goes basically. In the fifties, most

556
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 3: Americans were distrustful of Catholics.

557
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, they didn't know are you beholden to the pope

558
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 4: or are you beholden to the American people? That was

559
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 4: the lad who to whom were you loyal?

560
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 3: They really believe that the Pope could tell the president, look,

561
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 3: I need you to go do this, and they're like, oh,

562
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 3: they gotta do it.

563
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 2: YO told me, there you go.

564
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 3: So that was a problem for Joe Kennedy. But then

565
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 3: they had Joe McCarthy kind of ahead of them. So

566
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 3: he did right, and he did right by the good

567
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 3: of America and blah blah blah. Then his Kennedy boys

568
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 3: good too, So they decided to help Joseph McCarthy, you know,

569
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 3: win office. Because remember he's not popular, he's not looking

570
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 3: like he's going to be a two term senator. So

571
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 3: old tail gunner Joe gets tight with the Kennedys. He

572
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 3: actually dated two of the Kennedy daughters. Really, he dated

573
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 3: Pat and Eunice. So you can often find him at

574
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 3: the Hyenas Port compound in Massachusetts.

575
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

576
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 3: So despite his unpopularity, the fact that he's getting tight

577
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,959
Speaker 3: with the Kennedy's helps him because they then put all

578
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 3: of their efforts behind him and they get him re elected.

579
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 2: Right.

580
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, the Senate is like trying to sideline him. He

581
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 3: gets named the Chairman on Government Operations. It was supposed

582
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 3: to be just like a sideline for him. They just

583
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 3: shunt him off. He'll always do some business over there.

584
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 3: But turns out there's also inside of that a secret,

585
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 3: powerful subcommittee called the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, And

586
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 3: that's what Joseph McCarthy used to start his witch hunts. Yeah,

587
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 3: and by the way, he had to pay back some favors.

588
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 2: So what does he do.

589
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 3: He's like, oh, I need to hire people. He goes

590
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,719
Speaker 3: in for his team of investigators. He hired some lawyers,

591
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 3: two rising legal s of note, a twenty seven year

592
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 3: old named Robert F.

593
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 2: Kennedy.

594
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 3: He goes and joins, and then that's probably had no

595
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 3: doubt a favored of his father. Then there's another star

596
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 3: legal mind who would be the future mob lawyer for

597
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 3: two of the five families of New York and New Jersey,

598
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 3: and later a Trump lawyer, Roy Khne. Oh god, it

599
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 3: was a power show, just the center, the nexus of

600
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 3: dark energy. So now the ground is set for Joe

601
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 3: McCarthy's meteoric rise and for him to change the very

602
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 3: face of American politics and really the culture. So he

603
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 3: was right there right at the time, the early nineteen fifties.

604
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 3: Everything's been primed for him because America is about to

605
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 3: descend into paranoid and delusions, and he's going to be

606
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 3: a prime driver. So we got Bebop and beat Nicks,

607
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 3: we got the hula hoop and suburban grass yards and everything.

608
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 3: But also we got also the civil rights movement. People

609
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 3: are getting a little weird about that. Suddenly there's commis everywhere.

610
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 3: Now everyone's freaking out, and the commis, according to the

611
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 3: people like Joe McCarthy, they have plans to take down America.

612
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 3: Sinister plans, Elizabeth. They're plotting in opium dens in Red

613
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 3: China right at this scary moment, Vidually, the comedies were

614
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 3: conspiring with the Red Chinese to grow opium and import

615
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 3: the morphine and heroin into the US. And then the

616
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 3: commis in Red China would create a generation of drug

617
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 3: addict American teens, Elizabeth, And you know what that means.

618
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 3: Forget Elvis, forget your rock and roll. That would undermine

619
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 3: the nation. Who would protect the good Americans from this

620
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 3: grave new menace. Well, enter our man tailgunner, Joe. So

621
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 3: of course he's the one who first finds these suspected

622
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 3: comedies and brings them to light. He creates the panic

623
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,719
Speaker 3: and then plays firefighter. It's a perfect role for right

624
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 3: bare knuckle boxing.

625
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 4: I like how they're gonna blame China when really the

626
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 4: CIA was going to take care of that for them

627
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 4: a little bit.

628
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 2: I just give him time. Hold on, We're then too

629
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 2: a whole business.

630
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 3: So the Senate his set at subcommittee in McCarthy's they

631
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 3: started investigating rumors of communists in the US military. He

632
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 3: starts with his signal Corps. Then he moves on to

633
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 3: finding compromised homosexuals in the government who can be turned

634
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 3: by the Commis. Then he doubles back to finding communists

635
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 3: because that makes for better headlines. So now full steam

636
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 3: ahead on the Red Square. Meanwhile, his team, the team,

637
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 3: remember like Bobby Kennedy, Roy Come, and they had their doubts,

638
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 3: Like Bobby Kennedy even said of McCarthy's subcommittee that quote,

639
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 3: no real research was ever done. Most of the investigations

640
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 3: were instituted on the basis of some preconceived notion by

641
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 3: the Chief Council of It or his staff members, and

642
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 3: not on the basis of any information that had been developed.

643
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 4: So it's you know, it's a tradition.

644
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're running around there like just making stuff up

645
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: and chasing their illusions right now, even the shark and

646
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 3: lawyer's clothing, Roy Cone, he conceded, Senator McCarthy undermined his

647
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 3: own battles with communism with quote his penchant for the

648
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,959
Speaker 3: dramatic and quote by making statements that could be construed

649
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 3: as promising too much. So basically he was just lying

650
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 3: and selling things. So but what did Joseph McCarthy care

651
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 3: about that. He didn't care. He had witnesses to grow.

652
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 3: He had TV. Elizabeth, you know that classic question, are

653
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 3: you now or have you ever been a member of

654
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 3: the Communist Party?

655
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 2: You remember that?

656
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's him.

657
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 2: Yes, well, yeah.

658
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 3: That became a refrain, a chorus, a pop song chorus

659
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 3: across America nineteen fifties two, nineteen fifty three.

660
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, it was a scary time. Oh, completely

661
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 4: creatives and people like my grandma, Oh yeah, it was scary.

662
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 3: The reason Joseph McCarthy got so famous so fast is

663
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 3: because he got his his Subcommittee hearings on TV. He

664
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 3: was real tight with the press and he's like, yeah,

665
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 3: bring your cameras in. So yeah, for two years, she's

666
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 3: just a ton of hearings. They're all on TV. And

667
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 3: keep in mind, TV basically only comes about nineteen forty eight,

668
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 3: so we're fifty two. There's not everyone has TVs.

669
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 2: That's a big deal.

670
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 3: There's not a programming. Joseph McCarthy becomes one of the

671
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 3: first big TV stars. Yeah, he's on all the time,

672
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 3: and he's so neat and it's dramatic.

673
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

674
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 3: Anyway, the witnesses he's calling to testify before his witch

675
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 3: hunt trials. They aren't just the famous Hollywood stars that

676
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 3: you hear about the blacklisted, Yeah, the screenwriters Dalton Trombo. No,

677
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 3: there are also a lot of regular everyday Americans, and

678
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 3: they all had their lives ruined by his allegations. Now

679
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 3: a witness, they could be accused of being a Communist

680
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 3: because they were one a member of a union that

681
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 3: had communists in his membership exactly. Or witness could be

682
00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 3: a accused of being a Communist because they had purchased

683
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 3: say It insurance policy from an organization that was later

684
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 3: designated to be a communist front by Joseph McCarthy. Or

685
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 3: my favorite, though, this is my favorite, we are the

686
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 3: book Club comedies. One witness was accused of being a

687
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 3: Communist because their Great Books book club had read Karl Marx. Now,

688
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 3: if I'm not mistaken, your mother's is a great book.

689
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 4: Clubs books she's in. Yeah, she is a member of

690
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 4: actually two different great books.

691
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 3: Wow, See, your mama would have been a comedy.

692
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 4: It would have been.

693
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 3: During those years of McCarthyism. There were many folks in

694
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 3: power in Washington who despised them. As I founded out,

695
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,479
Speaker 3: they distrusted him. They thought he was deranged, a danger

696
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 3: to the republic, but they did very little to stop

697
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 3: him because McCarthy had the people in a full froth.

698
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 3: They didn't want that being aimed at them, so they

699
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 3: had to be smart about how they took him down.

700
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 4: Well, and everyone knows he's a liar, so it's like,

701
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 4: say whatever, it doesn't have to you know exactly.

702
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 3: So when you were unbeholden to the truth, I mean,

703
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 3: you can pretty much fly over anything doesn't matter because

704
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 3: it's all lies.

705
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 2: You're you're powered by.

706
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 4: Live well, and you have this new era of television

707
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 4: and so you have like people getting fast brief bits

708
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 4: of information into their home, yes and so not everything

709
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 4: is going to be able to be fully explained or

710
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 4: fleshed out or investigated.

711
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 3: Yes, or corrected. So say the statement gets out there

712
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 3: and then later on it gets correct.

713
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 4: You can't unring those bells.

714
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: Not everyone hears the corrections.

715
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

716
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 3: So, now, looking back, you have to wonder why did

717
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 3: Joseph McCarthy act like he did. His subordinates Roy Cone RFK.

718
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: They both called him ill prepared. They said he was mercurial, petty,

719
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 3: sometimes he was messionic. He could be prone to delusions,

720
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 3: to my ears, Elizabeth, what I hear? There's a clear

721
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 3: explanation for why Joseph McCarthy might be focused on threats.

722
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 3: Only he saw those enemies, only he perceived It's obvious

723
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 3: to me dupe was high as hell. He was high

724
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 3: as hell. Yeah, he's the drawing us. So it turns

725
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 3: out this was actually an open secret in Washington. It

726
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 3: could have been used to take down Joseph McCarthy, but

727
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 3: unlike his suspected homosexuality, the people thought that we can't

728
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 3: put that out there. That's unfair. So this was the

729
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 3: the like the line they would not cross. But so

730
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: it never gets used against him. But it also helped

731
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 3: explain his paranoia, his odd behavior right, because Joseph McCarthy

732
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 3: was a full on dope junkie, like a morphine daily attict.

733
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 3: Dope junk wow, like Charlie Parker dope junkie.

734
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 6: Wow.

735
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 2: Yes, dope junkie. Yes, I did not know that, so

736
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: did you know? Like?

737
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 3: So he you know why he felt safe to use

738
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 3: morphine on the daily as a sitting US senator in Washington, DC,

739
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 3: while he ran a witch hunt of morality where all

740
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 3: the press following him because his dealer was the US government. Specifically,

741
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 3: his plug was the head of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics,

742
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 3: the man who started America's war on drugs, Like, how

743
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 3: do you even make sense?

744
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 4: Did he say that it was just like you know,

745
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 4: war wound treatment, No, you would hope.

746
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 3: No, it's even worse than that. Let's take a little

747
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:51,959
Speaker 3: break and after this, I'll tell you about the man

748
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 3: who was his plug, Harry j Anslinger, and answer all

749
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 3: your questions.

750
00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, Elizabeth, Yeah, you're ready to really get

751
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 6: sick twisted in sideways always because we're about to get

752
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 6: into the Harry j Anslinger portion of this.

753
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: Now, what do you know about like reefer badness, the

754
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 3: war on drugs, the early.

755
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 2: Years, the war on black culture, jazz?

756
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 4: You know, right, it's you know, it's a panic, it's

757
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 4: as Yeah.

758
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 3: It's a lot of like taking a lot of social

759
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 3: concerns and throat lumping them together and saying they're all gonna,

760
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:41,719
Speaker 3: you know, go after your children.

761
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

762
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 3: So the well, first, just to clear the air, I'll

763
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 3: just I'll confirm for you the allegations I'm throwing out there.

764
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 3: So casually, Yes, after Joseph McCarthy died, Harry j. Anslinger,

765
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 3: the former federal head of the Bureau of Narcotics. He

766
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 3: published a memoir called The Murderers, and in his memoir,

767
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 3: an Slinger confessed his time as a drug dealer for

768
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 3: America's leading commy With witch Hunter Right, he basically discovered

769
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 3: that one of the most powerful men in America was

770
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 3: a morphine junkie, and he recalled how he confronted Joseph

771
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: McCarthy about it, and the Center was unapologetic, just like,

772
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 3: he's like, what you coming for, old tailgunner? Joe, bring it?

773
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 3: So he he goes. She goes on the attack because

774
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 3: that's his thing. He threatened the head of the Federal

775
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 3: Bureau of Narcotics. He's the junkie, he threatens the cop.

776
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 3: So Anslinger quoted the Senator and he writing that he

777
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 3: was warned, I wouldn't try to do anything about it, Commissioner.

778
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 3: It'll be worse for you, and if it winds up

779
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 3: in a public scandal, and that should hurt this country,

780
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 3: I wouldn't care.

781
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: That choice is yours.

782
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 3: Oh God, So why did Harry j Anslinger back down?

783
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: Who is this Harry Jnslinger?

784
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 4: Who is this Harry j? Answer?

785
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 3: I'm so glad you asked great question, Harry j Anslinger.

786
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 3: He's why we fought and lost the war on drugs.

787
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 6: Now.

788
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 3: Anslinger he was the head of the f as I said,

789
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 3: the head of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics for thirty

790
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 3: two years. He was the very first one, and he

791
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 3: pretty much formed it. So he he led the bureau

792
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 3: from its inception until his forest retirement in the nineteen seventies.

793
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 3: By all accounts Anslinger was an extremely racist, bigoted man.

794
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 3: For instance, he despised jazz music. He tells agents to

795
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 3: raid the home of jazz men and to quote shoot

796
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 3: first and ask questions later. He particularly despised and feared

797
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 3: Billie Holiday personally. An Slinger did everything he could to

798
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 3: make her life a living hell. Billy Holliday was a

799
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 3: known heroin junkie and thus an easy target for him.

800
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: So Anselinger had his agents hound and Harassmer for years,

801
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 3: always underwatched every day of her life. They once he

802
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 3: was aware of her, he didn't rest until she was

803
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 3: locked up in a West Virginia prison on a one

804
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 3: year stretch. They made a movie about it recently that

805
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 3: the case was called The United States of America Versus

806
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 3: Billy Holiday in her memoir Billy Roade, That's just the

807
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 3: way it felt, the United States of America versus Billy Holiday.

808
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

809
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 3: Now, even after she was out of prison, Antlinger he

810
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 3: assigned an undercover agent to get close to her to

811
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 3: get him the charges he needed to put her away forever.

812
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 3: He picked a black undercover agent. It was very rare

813
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 3: he could this guy named Jimmy Fletcher. This agent did

814
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 3: his part. He gets close to Billy Holiday, becomes her friend.

815
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 3: He starts doing drugs with her, arranged for her to

816
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 3: be busted on a drug possession charge, and that charge

817
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 3: meant she would lose her cabaret card in New York.

818
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 3: So now we talked about this in the past, the

819
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 3: Lord Buckley, how women he passed it was the end

820
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 3: of the cabaret card system. Well, at this point, this

821
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 3: is the height of it, very much in right. So

822
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 3: Billy Holiday couldn't perform at Harlem, she couldn't perform anywhere

823
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 3: in New York. Now thanks to Anslinger in his felony,

824
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 3: she can't perform anywhere in the United States. So she

825
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 3: asked to travel. She has to go to Europe, she

826
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 3: has to go to Cube. But by the way, the

827
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 3: drugs from the bust they never got entered into evidence

828
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 3: to when she had to fight this case, she decided

829
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 3: she would show them that she had been clean, that

830
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 3: she was not on drugs, and that she had basically

831
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 3: been the drugs had been faked. So Billy Holiday she

832
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 3: goes to rehab in surprise, surprise, she didn't have a

833
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 3: single moment to withdrawal. She was indeed clean. So the

834
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 3: jury finds us out they sided with Billy Holiday. So

835
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 3: this pisses off an Slinger, So what's he gonna do?

836
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 3: He reassigned Jimmy Fletcher, the undercover agent, to stay by

837
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 3: her side, get me something to bust her. He drives

838
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 3: her to the brink of an early death, and she

839
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 3: was indeed at the end of her life in a

840
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: hospital bed being treated for liver problems. An Slingers agents

841
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: they spring into action. They claim that they found heroin

842
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 3: hidden in a tinfoil envelope suspended from a nail in

843
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 3: the wall or a hotel room, a hospital bed right

844
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 3: the government narcotics agents. They held her in custody in

845
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 3: the hospital and they basically this means her friends or

846
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 3: family nobody can visit her. So Lady Day she dies

847
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 3: with federal narcotics agents at her bedside. She's literally surrounded

848
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 3: at her.

849
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 4: Deathbank, which they basically drove her to it.

850
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is like how crazy he is. At

851
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 3: one point ansling her, He's like, he's like high on

852
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 3: his power. He plots to organize a massive nationwide roundup

853
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 3: of all known potsmokers. This is the entire country. She

854
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 3: wrote to all of his agents, quote, prepare all cases

855
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 3: in your jurisdiction involving musicians in violation of the marijuana laws.

856
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 3: We will have a great national round up and arrest

857
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 3: all such persons in a single day. So before he

858
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 3: could have his nationwide raids, and senators they catch wind

859
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 3: of what he plans to do, right, and they decided

860
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 3: to question his bureau's new gestapo like tactics because some

861
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 3: of them had just fought a war. They're like, didn't

862
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 3: we just fight a world war.

863
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 4: To stop this art bare Yeah exactly.

864
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 3: Hanselinger is like, well, you know my semi fascistic plot here.

865
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 3: It's a crackdown. And by the way, it's not focused

866
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: on quote the good musicians, but the jazz type. That's

867
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 3: what he said. So he didn't get approval for his

868
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 3: nation wide round up. Now, meanwhile, remember this is the

869
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,479
Speaker 3: same guy who is Joseph McCarthy's morphine connect this guy.

870
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 3: So the irony is ridiculous his pain and not in

871
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 3: that good fun way. It's in that American history way.

872
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 3: So anyway, so the Senator Joseph McCarthy and Harry Anslinger, like,

873
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 3: how do they mix? Right now? I told you like

874
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 3: Anslinger is a prick, right, I told you up top.

875
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 3: But we've kind of seen how he's a jerk with

876
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 3: all of these behavior. Let's get into how he's a hypocrite.

877
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 3: Some might call Harry j Anslinger the Jaeggar Hoover of

878
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 3: the drug war. This is fitting right. He did have

879
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 3: similar powers. He did lord over a federal bureau for decades.

880
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 3: He held grudges against many of the same Americans, many

881
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 3: of them black. Now, the two men, they were not

882
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 3: particularly close. They were friendly, but they were not close.

883
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 3: They were essentially rivals. Because Jaeger Hoover famously didn't trust anyone.

884
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 3: He was also very territorial. Anslinger was smart enough not

885
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 3: to trust, not to side with him. Also, he is

886
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: smart enough not to grow his bureau too big that

887
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 3: it threatened Hoover. Otherwise Hoover would just swallow it into

888
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 3: the FBI. So Anslinger. He's a cage bureaucrat. He's figured

889
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 3: out how to survive and so. And as we saw

890
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 3: with the Billie Holliday, like with jig Or Hoover, he

891
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 3: was just as much of a bigot. So this guy

892
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 3: he loved or ass black celebrities culture figures until they

893
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 3: were dead. He's just a class act all the way around. Right,

894
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 3: So he makes his name for himself in the Prohibition.

895
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 3: During Prohibition he worked in the Bahamas. He tried to

896
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 3: bring down rum runners like your boy, the real McCoy.

897
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 3: Yeah right, they may even cross paths.

898
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 2: I don't know.

899
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 3: But in nineteen thirty he gets appointed by President Hoover

900
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 3: to be the first Commissioner of the newly established Federal

901
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 3: Bureau of Narcotics. Right, so he's the man who launched

902
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 3: would later become America's War on drums. I'm sorry, that's

903
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 3: the typeo America's war on drugs. Drugs, So anyway, he

904
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 3: called it the War on narcotics. It gets paired with

905
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 3: the legal precedent of the Marijuana Act of nineteen thirty seven,

906
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 3: and boom, this is the beginning of the War on drugs. Yeah,

907
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 3: so during the World War two years Antler he starts

908
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 3: to play on the paranoid of the war to both

909
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 3: the profile of his Federal Bureau of Narcos. He needs

910
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 3: to make some headlines. Right, this plays well with the

911
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 3: racist attitudes of the time. So the press they start

912
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 3: gleefully reporting about whenever Anslinger tell him stuff about the Japanese,

913
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 3: for instance, that they've been using dope as quote an

914
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 3: instrument of national policy for the last decade to poison

915
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 3: the American people. Now remember later on is going to

916
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 3: be the Red Chinese. Now it's Japanese. So what randemy

917
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 3: it is? They're plotting with opium to take us down.

918
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 3: Same story, it doesn't matter. But it doesn't matter if

919
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 3: it's true or not true. It sells papers. So after

920
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 3: this war, the same approach of misinformation. It continues. The

921
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 3: plot gets moved to China. The Reds are doing it?

922
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 3: Why not?

923
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 4: Right?

924
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 3: Nineteen fifties roll on. Vague mood of paranoia and suspicion

925
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 3: gets turned into a real era of paranoia. Now they

926
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 3: love it. Politicians find they can use Anslinger's crusade to

927
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 3: gain some media attention for themselves. They discover that fear

928
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 3: sells just as well as sex in America. They're like,

929
00:40:52,480 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 3: oh hot, darn enter Senator Estas Keyfoby remember truth a

930
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 3: comic book story. No, he let his crusade. I told

931
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 3: you against the perils of comic books in the nineteen fifties.

932
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 3: He was trying to use this same paranoia to get

933
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 3: himself some headlines of his own right. So he tries

934
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 3: to leverage a growing paranoia, and he sides with Harry Anslanger.

935
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 3: He signed with the car. He sides with anybody. Well,

936
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 3: Once Harry Anslinger decides, I'll play ball with this cat,

937
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 3: he's another center that I can work with. Out come pamphlets,

938
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 3: We get readers, digest articles, Time magazine articles all about

939
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 3: the dangers of dope in America. One pamphlet warned of families,

940
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 3: our teenagers today are menaced by a danger more virulent

941
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 3: than cancer, as deadly as the H bomb. Do you

942
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 3: know what that danger was, Elizabeth, caffeine, Mexican pot. It

943
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 3: was pott, not the pot we smoked. Now, that is

944
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 3: the really strong stuff that's been all like, you know, chemically,

945
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 3: like crystals exactly. No, it was just like that old

946
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 3: Mexican ditch weed, like the sticks and stems of the

947
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 3: baby Boomer smoked like on album records covers, and they're

948
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: separating out the seeds. That stuff that was the great threat,

949
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 3: that was worse than the H bomb, worse than cancer.

950
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 4: I mean, like take a step back, worse than the

951
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 4: H bomb.

952
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 3: Yes, we also, like you know, as we're going to

953
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 3: be putting money into these threats, we've decided we're gonna

954
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 3: put a lot of money into this threat and less

955
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 3: money into cancer research because this threat.

956
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 4: Is more of a threat Smoka jay And suddenly all

957
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 4: that's left on the sidewalk is their shadows break.

958
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 3: So come nineteen fifty, the Senate launches a new Special

959
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 3: Committee to investigate organized crime and interstate commerce. The chairman

960
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 3: was Tennessee Senaer Estra's q Fauba. And now, like Joseph

961
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 3: McCarthy's later Red Scare hearings, his subcommittee hearings were also televised.

962
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 3: So once again he's trying to work the fame game.

963
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 3: And he you know, so Keith Faber's hearings, you know,

964
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: they were really really powerful, Like that's why McCarthy's like,

965
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 3: I gotta get in on this because Key Father kind

966
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 3: of set the mold for him. Life Magazine looked back

967
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 3: a year after his his hearings in nineteen fifty, so

968
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 3: basically nineteen fifty one, Life Magazine wrote that quote the

969
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 3: sending investigation into interstate crime was almost the sole subject

970
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 3: of national conversations. Papers gave it ten times as much

971
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 3: space as the Korean War.

972
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 4: So yeah, because they're all too busy listening their.

973
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 3: Exactly they're actually worried about fighting the commies. They're fighting

974
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 3: him in a war, but instead they go chasing this imaginary,

975
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 3: elusive thing they've come up with, Like, yeah, ten times

976
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 3: more attention anyway. Star witness during these hearings was Harry

977
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 3: j Anslinger. He thrilled the public by being the first

978
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 3: federal official to admit the existence of the mafia. He

979
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 3: claimed that the gangster Lucky Luciano was in charge of

980
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 3: all the narcotics in the United States, one man Elizabeth

981
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 3: all the dope. He called the mafia the Black Hand,

982
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 3: which connected it to its Sicilian roots, and that also

983
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 3: gave it allure that the news media loved. Right So

984
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 3: before that nobody wanted to admit the mafia was real.

985
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: They talked about the syndicate, blah blah, but not the mafia.

986
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 3: Right now, all of a sudden, there's the mafia. But

987
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 3: the real story is far more complex than the mafia.

988
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 3: When it came to heroin and opium and morphine, he

989
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 3: also went, oh, no, it's the red Chinese. He's like

990
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 3: he's got multiple lemmies. Right, So the Commies are the

991
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 3: dope peddlers and are sending in drugs to our country

992
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 3: to ruin your America. So now at this point, the truth, however,

993
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 3: is actually the opposite, because it was the nationalist Chinese,

994
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 3: our allies who were exporting the opium and the heroine

995
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 3: from China. It was not the communist it was Shanghai

996
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 3: Scheck's boys, So our allies selling us the dope. Anyway,

997
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 3: Anselinger ignored that, and of course, because he preferred his vision,

998
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 3: it was so much more powerful.

999
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 6: Yes.

1000
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,439
Speaker 3: So, also, guy's a gifted storyteller. Why go with the truth?

1001
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: Why be so?

1002
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 3: American culture becomes convinced that it's about to be overrun

1003
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,479
Speaker 3: by Mexican dope smugglers, aided and abedded by a band

1004
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 3: of black jazz musicians, assisted by the inscrutable Chinese opium peddlers,

1005
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 3: all of them hell bent on turning Iowa City into

1006
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 3: ground zero for like a full communist revolution.

1007
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 2: Right, totally reasonable.

1008
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 3: So now this fever paranoia, it isn't partisan binds you.

1009
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 3: This is Democrats and Republicans. They're both in on this

1010
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 3: and the sweep. They're swept up in the mood. The

1011
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 3: Democrats actually asked Harry j Anslinger, who was a Republican,

1012
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 3: to run as the VP on the Democratic presidential ticket.

1013
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 2: Really yes, but because they cited, like.

1014
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 3: Well, this used to be used to American politics tradition,

1015
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 3: used to be split tickets. So this is like a

1016
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 3: call to decency. We're gonna get Harry Anslinger to help us. Anyway,

1017
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 3: This same count who is hounding and harassing Billie Holiday

1018
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 3: at this exact same time on his little sick, little

1019
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 3: pet mission. And he's also not busy creating the war

1020
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 3: on drugs, he's also, mind you, creating the legal justification

1021
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 3: for mass incarceration, also the justifications for all the like

1022
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 3: mandatory minimums and so forth. Right, all this is happening

1023
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 3: while they chase these imaginary boogeymen. And he's getting heroin too,

1024
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 3: his buddy. That's the like, Yeah, there's no substance to

1025
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 3: McCarthy or Harry j Anslinger's multiple scare campaigns and the

1026
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 3: paranoia they stoked. They just make stuff up, then they investigate.

1027
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 3: They ruined people's lives. Then McCarthy, he often didn't conclude

1028
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 3: his hearings. He would just make a new hearing and

1029
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 3: move on to that, and the press would move right

1030
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 3: on with him. They would never conclude the hearing, just

1031
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 3: new allegations, all right on, Yeah, wash rents repeat yeah,

1032
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 3: all the while the press, as I said, happily to

1033
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 3: report it because the public bought lots of newspapers, they

1034
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 3: watched lots of news, and they this is how they

1035
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 3: helped grow the fear mongering.

1036
00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1037
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 3: Anyway, back to morphine. Meanwhile, as I told you, the

1038
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 3: head of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, Harry j Anslinger,

1039
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 3: is secretly the main morphine dealer to his buddy, the

1040
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 3: most powerful man in Washington. According to numerous sources I

1041
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 3: checked for this story to see if it was true.

1042
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 3: There was one source that convincing me the most, and

1043
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 3: I told you it was Harry j Anslinger, and in memoirs.

1044
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 3: In his memoir The Murderers quote one of the most

1045
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 3: influential members of Congress at the time, and one of

1046
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 3: my most dependable supporters, was a confirmed morphine addict. He

1047
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 3: was an amiable man, but would do nothing to help

1048
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 3: himself to get rid of his addiction. He refused medical

1049
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 3: advice and insisted that no one would ever be permitted

1050
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 3: to interfere with him or with whatever habit he wished

1051
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 3: to indulge in. That was not all, Elizabeth Hanslinger went

1052
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 3: on to write quote, he was also a heavy drinker,

1053
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 3: but it was his addiction to morphine which was the

1054
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 3: greatest threat to himself and his country, even though in

1055
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 3: the national interest his uninterrupted supply of the drug was

1056
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 3: guaranteed by my bureau. On the day he died, I

1057
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 3: mourned him deeply as a friend, but also thank God

1058
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 3: for relieving me of a great burden and a certain danger.

1059
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 3: Oh God, Hanslinger summrise. It was a diyl look a

1060
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 3: moment in world affairs. There was imminute danger that the

1061
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 3: facts would become known and used to the fullest and

1062
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 3: the propaganda machines of our enemies. So he's worried that

1063
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 3: they're gonna spin live. He's worried about is the lines

1064
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 3: because you project but you know, but how did the

1065
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 3: morphine dealing? But the head of the Federal Bureau to

1066
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 3: a sitting US Senator, how did this even start?

1067
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 6: Like?

1068
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 3: What was the deal? Well, closure eyes, because I'd like

1069
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 3: you to picture it. You are currently in the US Capitol,

1070
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 3: the wing of the Senate Leadership Offices. Specifically, you were

1071
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 3: in the office of the chairman of the most powerful

1072
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 3: subcommittee of the day, Senator Joseph McCarthy. It is mid

1073
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 3: century America at its most mid century. Outside the windows

1074
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 3: thick squat round Sedan's Drive, luxuriously along the avenues of Washington,

1075
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 3: d C. The cherry blossoms dot the trees. They are

1076
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 3: the last ones to fall in the season. Spring is

1077
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 3: saying goodbye. And you are an FBI listening device.

1078
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 4: Nice.

1079
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 3: You were planted by one of Jaeger Hoover's g men.

1080
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 3: You are a sleek and stylish little number placed in

1081
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 3: the glazing of a window pane. You are unlikely to

1082
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 3: ever be found, but you have a great view and

1083
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 3: you can hear everything. You hear the door to the

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00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 3: senator's office clothes you see Senator Joseph McCarthy. Look up,

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00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 3: he's a sweaty faced, nervous, like a kid caught with

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00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 3: his hand in the cookie jar. That is, if that

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00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 3: kid was a serious morphine habit and the kid was

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00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 3: kind of jones in for a hit, and the hit

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Speaker 3: was in the cookie jar. Anyway, you turn your attention

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Speaker 3: to the man who just walked in. You recognize him.

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Speaker 3: He's been here before plenty of times. It's the head

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Speaker 3: of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, Harry J. Hanslinger. He

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00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 3: looks mad, but he's containing it barely. He says in

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00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 3: a clear, unmistakable boy, Senator, I know about your habit.

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00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 3: Senator McCarthy sinks into his desk chair. The leather makes

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Speaker 3: it sound kind of like a fark, but it's not

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Speaker 3: a party.

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Speaker 5: Hears of it.

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Speaker 3: Don't laugh and slinger. He sits opposite the senator across

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Speaker 3: his desk. McCarthy responds, what do you think you know, Senator,

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00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 3: I'm the head of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics. My

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00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 3: agent's discovered. Senator McCarthy interrupts him.

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Speaker 2: Wait.

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00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 3: He reaches over to a fan near to his desk.

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00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 3: He turns it on small tabletop fan and with its

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00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 3: metal blades, begins to words slice the air. It makes

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00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 3: it difficult for you to hear. But the FBI they

1108
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 3: made a damn good bug. You can still clearly make

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00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 3: out the men's words. McCarthy says, in his brusque, bare

1110
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 3: knuckle way, I don't care what you think. You know,

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00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna stop it. You can't stop me, Senator.

1112
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 3: If this were to get out, if America were learned

1113
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 3: that a member of the of the US blah blah blah.

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00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 2: Look, baby needs this bottle and I need my dope.

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00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: That's just how it is, Harry.

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00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 3: If you cut off my morphine, I will just go

1117
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 3: and buy heroin off the street from dope dealers. How

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00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 3: long do you think that will last? Are you threatening me?

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Speaker 2: Senator?

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Speaker 3: You are riveted all your days is an FBI bug.

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00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 3: You have never heard anything as juicy as this.

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00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 2: Jagger.

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Speaker 3: Hoover is going to lose his mind. Let me get

1124
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 3: this rate. You are threatening me. If my bureau interferes

1125
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 3: with your dope supply, you will get intentionally busted and

1126
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 3: destabilize the entire US government. You listen for Joseph McCarthy's response,

1127
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 3: but all you hear is the fan and then I

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00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 3: want my dope.

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00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 2: By Anslinger.

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00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 3: He counters, you can take a medical lead from the

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00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 3: Senate Nope dope. Anslinger reasons Senator Dope.

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00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 2: Anslinger gives in.

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00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 3: You promise you wi go to the street pushers, I promise, Anslinger.

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00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: Agreens fine, but you.

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Speaker 3: Get your morphine from me from a druggist of my choice.

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00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 3: In return, I get all the dope I want. Anslinger

1137
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 3: accepts this deal with the double agreed all the dope

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Speaker 3: you want.

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00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 2: Yay dope.

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00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 3: So you cannot believe this is really happening. But you

1141
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 3: were there to hear every word, and there it was

1142
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 3: the deal with the devil Elizabeth. Now, despite the fact, Anslinger,

1143
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 3: as I told you, hard hearted, big up, mean spirited, hypocrite,

1144
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 3: a man who ruined lives, killed others for the same

1145
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 3: sins that he not only tolerated, but he ate it

1146
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,760
Speaker 3: in a beat with his friends, you have to admit.

1147
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 2: The guy was a loyal friend.

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00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 4: I can.

1149
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know about you, but I don't

1150
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 3: know how many of my friends I could convince to

1151
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 3: give me heroin if I was a sitting senator and

1152
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 3: they were the head of the War on drugs.

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00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 4: Good plan.

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00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 3: I mean, these guys are some real criminals, right, My

1155
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 3: childs are like pretend criminals compared to these guys. Anyway,

1156
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 3: of course, all this had to a senator Republicans. They

1157
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 3: eventually turned on Joseph McCarthy in nineteen fifty four. He

1158
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 3: gets censured. He remains a senator, mind you, but now

1159
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 3: he's a broken man, and he's still a full on

1160
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 3: morphine junkie and an alcoholic. He's just cruising as a

1161
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 3: senator for his last couple of years, high as hell.

1162
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 3: Sitting in the Senate President Eisenhower, who was not known

1163
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 3: for his sense of humor, he dryly remarked that rather

1164
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 3: than McCarthyism, it was now McCarthy was.

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00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 2: Him oh by burn.

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00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 3: Eventually, Joe McCarthy dies in nineteen fifty seven at the

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00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 3: rifle of age of forty seven. Official cause of death

1168
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,439
Speaker 3: acute hepatitis aka inflammation of the liver. After he died,

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00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 3: the story of his secret morphine habit gets out, an

1170
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 3: slinger had been using the same drug as to get

1171
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 3: the morphine for Senator McCarthy. So what does this mean, Well,

1172
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 3: the druggist comes forward to the tabloids. He wants to

1173
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 3: cash out at this point, so then Anslinger. He went

1174
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 3: after the syndicated reporter who ran the story for the

1175
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 3: first time, with the full powers of his office. He

1176
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 3: threatens to imprison the journalists for two years for violation

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00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 3: of I don't know what what do we got?

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00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 2: Oh Harrison Act?

1179
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 3: Throws the Harrison Act at him, and one provision about

1180
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 3: revealing the records of a pharmacist's hippo violation, So the

1181
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 3: news story goes away. Joseph McCarthy he cashed out early

1182
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 3: an Slinger, though he lived long enough to become a

1183
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 3: hateful old man. Yes, he even got to see the

1184
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 3: world change and all his life work be washed away

1185
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 3: by the hippies. So Anslinger. He was confronted with the

1186
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 3: emergence of the Hippies in their nineteen sixty seven Summer

1187
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 3: of Love. He definitely, of course, felt some kind of

1188
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 3: way about that. So Anslinger. He wrote that the blame

1189
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 3: of the new generation belonged not to him and Jagger

1190
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 3: Hoover and their repressive tactics for social hard or No. No, no,

1191
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 3: not that everyone's rebelling against them, No no, no, It

1192
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 3: was rather their parents and these professors in the Columbia

1193
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 3: University and so forth. Anslinger said, he blamed and I

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00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:32,439
Speaker 3: quote permissive parents and college administrators, pusilanimous judiciary officials, dual

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00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 3: good or bleeding hearts, and new breeds sociologists with their

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00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 3: fluid notions of morality. To see to his eyes, Elizabeth,

1197
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 3: what he saw was quote nothing less than an assault

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00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 3: on the foundations of Western civilization. And that was way

1199
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 3: more of a force than he could possibly imagine he

1200
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 3: could confront. He said, the only person to infrighten me

1201
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 3: are the hippies. So these are the things they're scared of.

1202
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 3: Hippies and some Mexican dope. So that scares of more

1203
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 3: than cancer the h bomb anyway. But too bad he

1204
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 3: didn't live long enough to see our modern day news

1205
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 3: chirons with kids today. You want to attack and dethrone

1206
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,959
Speaker 3: God because this guy he's up against anyway, he would

1207
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 3: have flicked. But what did Ancelinger do professionally in the sixties.

1208
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 3: Once his old buddy Joe McCarthy kicked the bucket well,

1209
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 3: he partnered with the CIA, decided to create mind control drugs.

1210
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 3: He got it on the MK ultra wagon because that's chill, right,

1211
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 3: So Anslinger, he was conducting experiments with drugs to come

1212
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 3: up with a way to break down psychological defenses, or,

1213
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 3: as he put it in a nineteen sixty eight interview quote,

1214
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 3: we were trying to discover a truth drug by using

1215
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 3: payote and sodium amatol. Oh do you imagine them practicing?

1216
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1217
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: Trip.

1218
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 3: Anyway, So this guy, he sure seems he's doing exactly

1219
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 3: what he claims everyone else wants to do it, like

1220
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 3: he's really good at Like that's usually the tell with

1221
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 3: these guys, right, It's like they project unto you what

1222
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 3: they themselves would think. Anyway, Eventually, after decades of work

1223
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 3: and after he'd bolted embraced his classicist, racist, xenophobic war

1224
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 3: on drugs onto American culture enough that it would stick,

1225
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 3: Anslinger felt like his job was done, so he left

1226
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 3: the During the Nixon years, his end starts to sneak

1227
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 3: up on him at that end, deep in pain, when

1228
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 3: he was the one who was finally the one hurting,

1229
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 3: when he was aching suddenly that double drug opium, it

1230
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 3: was heaven on earth. And that's how he went out

1231
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 3: dope to the gills on morphine. Wow, So what's our

1232
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 3: ridiculous takeaway here?

1233
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 4: Oh? My god, you know, don't lie, don't lie, don't lie.

1234
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 4: It's the perpetual lying and the and thinking that you're getting.

1235
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 4: It's a means to an end that you've got to

1236
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 4: You've got to do this to get to the end

1237
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 4: of it all. And it's like the.

1238
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 2: Lives become the end. It means and the end.

1239
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we all suffer for it. Also, this demonization

1240
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 4: of like the artist and the intelligentsia to turn the

1241
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 4: public against him, you know why, to keep the public

1242
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 4: from wanting to be artists or intelligencia or educated.

1243
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 2: To enjoy life sands fear.

1244
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so yeah.

1245
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 2: My ridiculous take away. Once again, thanks for asking.

1246
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 4: So welcome. I'm so glad you asked.

1247
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 3: I want to do Heroin with Joe McCarthy.

1248
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 2: I don't want to do. Can you imagine how horrendous

1249
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 2: that would be?

1250
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,760
Speaker 3: That's like one of the worst things I can possibly

1251
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 3: imagine on her anything. All Right, Well, there you go.

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Speaker 3: That's all I got for us. You can find us

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00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 3: online at Ridiculous Crime, Twitter, Instagram. We have a website

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00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 3: ridiculous Crime dot com. You can always leave us a

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00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 3: talk back on the iHeart app and email us if

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00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 3: you like a Ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com. As always,

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