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Speaker 3: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 2: And then and tie Dan. It's one of my favorite

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Speaker 2: Do what we're talking to our friend Bill Connolly.

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Speaker 3: For me, yeah, of course, Okay, I thought you were

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Speaker 3: going to do some sort of big reveal. Okay, no

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Speaker 3: big reveal, No, no, no, you know that Bill Connolly's on

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Speaker 3: the show. It's in the title.

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Speaker 2: Bill Connolly, our friend from ESPN dot com is going

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Speaker 2: to be by momentarily going to talk through the season

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Speaker 2: like nuts, not all of the minutia. We'd be here

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Speaker 2: for hours on end, but Bill has a unique portal

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Speaker 2: heavily upon many of the numbers he's able to unearth.

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Speaker 2: It guides a lot of what we talk about and

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Speaker 2: mentioned on the product on the podcast. So I'm excited

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Speaker 2: to have Bill Connelly from ESPN dot Com back on

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Speaker 3: We arguably have too much to talk about with the

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Speaker 3: I think there's probably not going to be enough time

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Speaker 2: That's okay, that's okay. We will do a separate that's

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Speaker 2: With Bill, He's always available for those types of s.

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Speaker 3: Vibes are good. Though the men's national team.

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Speaker 2: World I think so polistic just got hurt, But he's

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Speaker 2: bonus episode in twenty twenty five, just as like an

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Speaker 2: advanced twenty twenty six World Cup preview. But as for today, yes,

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Speaker 2: mister Connolly, the wizard of all things SMP plus fame,

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Speaker 2: is going to be stopping by to help us diestec

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Speaker 2: what went down give us a look ahead to the

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Speaker 2: playoffs and as I said, unearthed some other gems that

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Speaker 3: Can I issue a tease, Ty, Oh please, I'm going

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Speaker 3: to unveil my new playoff zag a mid interview with Bill.

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Speaker 3: All right, but I have a new I know abouzag

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Speaker 1: Ty, you did?

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Speaker 2: You did drop the zag to me earlier in slack.

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Speaker 2: I have true I want you to rebut that's fine.

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Speaker 2: Bill Connelly going to be by here momentarily. Hit follow

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so maybe like a successful hail Mary. This is

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Speaker 2: We were doing well. How is this season for you? Well?

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Speaker 3: Who who else underperformed this year given preseason projections, given

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is That is not your point, but it was.

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Speaker 1: I think you know they are. You know, yeah, when

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Speaker 3: Further to Tie's point, Indiana had seventy total in and

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Speaker 3: It's you can't judge Indiana football based on the players

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Speaker 1: a lot more unknowns.

436
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Speaker 3: Take an exaggerated home run, trot, throw the bat, flip

437
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 3: the bat violently. Who are you right about that? You

438
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 3: got a lot of flak for in the preseason about

439
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:38,120
Speaker 3: having a down year or being supremely underrated and watch

440
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Speaker 3: out for blank.

441
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Speaker 1: I don't think I was high on Iowa State, so

442
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Speaker 1: I'll take a little bit of credit on that one.

443
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Speaker 1: But also people weren't yelling at me because I thought

444
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Speaker 1: I was for sure team, So that's that's probably not

445
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 1: huge there. I thought I was going to be extremely

446
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,200
Speaker 1: right about A and M, and then they basically just

447
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 1: ended up exactly where they were projected in the middle

448
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 1: and kind of trailed off for a second, so that

449
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 1: one probably wasn't I was right about in C not

450
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 1: being confident in NC State at all.

451
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Speaker 3: Yeah, good job.

452
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 1: Again, that's not something you get yelled at very much.

453
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,360
Speaker 1: And SMU actually, while we're in the ACC, I thought

454
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 1: SMU was a serious, like number three or four ACC contender,

455
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 1: though I felt pretty good about how that played out.

456
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 1: Same time. Of course, you know Arizona State didn't didn't

457
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,439
Speaker 1: call that one. Plenty of things that didn't call, but

458
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 1: you know, you get a few read I guess.

459
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Speaker 3: This is the time of year where we have exaggerated

460
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Speaker 3: and very reasoned conversations about conference strength. Everybody's super cool

461
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 3: and has great perspective and is always conceding the point

462
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Speaker 3: to others who held up their end of the bargain

463
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Speaker 3: in terms of being top heavy with quality. I likes

464
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Speaker 3: to make jokes when I say, you know, terms like that,

465
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Speaker 3: but top heavy with quality. Like you can look at

466
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Speaker 3: the big ten, you'd be like, oh, there were you know,

467
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 3: three or four good teams, but then there seemed to

468
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Speaker 3: be a drop off. But maybe I miss reading the situation.

469
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Speaker 3: Who brought quality in the upper half, perhaps more dramatically

470
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Speaker 3: than others.

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Speaker 1: I mean number one.

472
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Speaker 3: I mean you're gonna say the SEC, that's okay.

473
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Speaker 1: I love bagging on the SEC whenever possible. But they

474
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,239
Speaker 1: were their average s P plus writing is twice as

475
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Speaker 1: good as anybody else's. Like, they still have the good teams,

476
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,360
Speaker 1: and you can, obviously, if you're an SEC homer, say

477
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 1: that you know, we miss our guys miss playoff spots

478
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 1: because our middle tier was so good that they just

479
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 1: couldn't blah blah blah like it's and I mean I

480
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: think it basically, I looked a couple of weeks ago,

481
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Speaker 1: it had like the tenth or eleven best kind of

482
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Speaker 1: average percentile ranking ever and they did that with sixteen teams.

483
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Speaker 1: So you could make a case that this is one

484
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Speaker 1: of like the five, six seven best conferences ever. And

485
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,479
Speaker 1: I don't say that as a way of saying they

486
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 1: should have gotten more than three teams in The results

487
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,120
Speaker 1: are the results, and I was perfectly happy with bam

488
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,439
Speaker 1: Man all miss missing out. But it was an awesome

489
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Speaker 1: conference and had a lot of awesome games that a

490
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: lot of people watched. And you know, congratulations, that's where

491
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: you make the money and you should feel real good

492
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,959
Speaker 1: about that. But that doesn't earn you five playoff spots.

493
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: The other team, the other conference that the ACC. In

494
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 1: terms of that average s PPLUS writing, the ACC is

495
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: one point behind the Big ten and a lot of

496
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: that has to do with Big Ten's bottom tier being

497
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: like FCS level bad perdue grading out worse than fair Estate.

498
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: At the moment in my ol wow s P plus

499
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: ready job guys, way to go like that was that's

500
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: atrocious and obviously that's going to drag down your averages.

501
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: But the ACC really did. It's incredible that so many

502
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: that it graded out the way it did, despite Florida State.

503
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: But Miami is eleventh, that was higher than it projected

504
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 1: a little bit. Semu's twelfth, that's a little bit higher.

505
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: Clemson's about where they were projected, Louisville's a hair higher,

506
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Speaker 1: Virginia Tech's higher. I can't really explain Virginia Tech being

507
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 1: twenty fourth, by the way. That confuses me, but I'll

508
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: look into that in the off season. But all of them, well,

509
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: I guess the explanation is they lost a ton of

510
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 1: close games and should have been about nine to three.

511
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: But Duke was a little bit of an overachiever. Cal

512
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: overachieved a little bit. They ended up having more on

513
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: the goods on the overachieved in side than the underachieving side,

514
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: so that ended up being a better conference. As stupid

515
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: as it was watching Cal wakeforest, NC State having to

516
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 1: go to Berkeley in early November or whenever that was.

517
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Speaker 1: If I mean, the quality.

518
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Speaker 2: Level was solid, Bill, what do you make of some

519
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Speaker 2: of the arguments that Dan alluded to conference strength versus

520
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Speaker 2: conference strength. If you're on that playoff committee, what what

521
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 2: are the data points that you personally would be looking

522
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Speaker 2: at to determine who goes through and who's who gets rejected.

523
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Speaker 1: Well, I think this was a really really good year

524
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: with those fluky losses to differentiate, among other things, between

525
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: best and most deserving, sure, because if you're just purely

526
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Speaker 1: looking at best, like the best. I said last year

527
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: that you know, the committee always swears it's picking the best,

528
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: and the only good thing about saying that is it

529
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 1: was never true. It's been true once and it was

530
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,959
Speaker 1: the worst decision they made. So but that you know,

531
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Speaker 1: I you, from a data standpoint, the SEC is every

532
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: bit as good as people say it is. It's just

533
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: the way things played out. They only had three deserving

534
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: teams make the field. And that's fine. I thought that,

535
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 1: you know, I lean a lot on resume as P

536
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Speaker 1: plus down the stretch where I basically take your scoring

537
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 1: margins and I cap them to where you know, a

538
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: seventy point wins, just a fifty point win, that kind

539
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: of thing, And I basically say, like a top five

540
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,239
Speaker 1: team would have done this against your schedule, here's what

541
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: you did. And I compare the two numbers, and you

542
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: know the fact that nobody had a positive rating a

543
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: positive resume sp plus rating this year, which basically means

544
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: nobody topped what an average top five team would have done.

545
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: That's kind of interesting. That kind of backs up what

546
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: we were saying about the parody angle. But you know,

547
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: the top teams were in my rating were Oregon, Notre Dame, Indiana.

548
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 1: You know, Georgia ended up only six because they screwed

549
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: around even more than normal for a larger portion of

550
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: the year. That was all kind of interesting to me,

551
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, among other things, Signetti's claim

552
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: about you know, if we had different helmets on, we

553
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: would have been you know, we would have gotten a

554
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: home game. I don't know if they're totally wrong about that.

555
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: They really did back up. They they played poorly for

556
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: six quarters in twelve games, and really they only played

557
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: poorly on one side of the ball in those six quarters.

558
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 1: Their defense was awesome, even against Ohio State. So yeah,

559
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: I think they really really did about as much as

560
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: they possibly could with their schedule and maybe should have

561
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 1: been ranked higher.

562
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you a broad question about

563
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 2: whose numbers, whose performances that you have on your spreadsheet

564
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 2: you feel you can trust versus which ones can't you

565
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: looking back. But Indiana, I think is another great example.

566
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 2: We brought them up a couple times already. Indiana's on

567
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 2: the road round one against Notre Dame. It's a ten

568
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: versus a seven matchup. Is Indiana good like, how good

569
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 2: is Indiana? How do people who have not watched the

570
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 2: Hoosiers this year, how should they feel about Indiana knowing

571
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 2: that they're going to be part of this twelve team field.

572
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 2: There was I think a little bit of interesting discourse

573
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 2: about Indiana down the stretch, but it's really kind of

574
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 2: on the back of that Ohio State game and not

575
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 2: a whole lot else. So how do you look at

576
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: Indiana with all the numbers you have at your disposal?

577
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 1: It is funny, I mean, I think basically because we

578
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 1: don't have like a running ten year kind of story

579
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: in our head about like with Ohio State, we know

580
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: all the ups and downs, and when they're good it's this,

581
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: and when they're bad, it's usually this. We got to

582
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: the Ohio State Indiana game and everybody was still kind

583
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: of a blank slate about Indiana. So show us something

584
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: and then they get sack thirty eight times and that

585
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: was that. I think what I wrote about on Sunday,

586
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: I had a piece go up just about like how

587
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: each of the twelve teams wins and it wins the

588
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: title in this case, and I pointed out their defensive

589
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: numbers against o High State were awesome. They ran the

590
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: ball well. Against Ohio State, they did basically everything except

591
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: when it was time for Curtis for Work to pass,

592
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: three Ohigh State defenders were on him within zero point

593
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: four seconds, and that was the case in the second

594
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: half of Michigan. That's an absolute concern, but it was

595
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: only the case in those two games. Nebraska had a

596
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: very good defense that they absolutely torched. If it was

597
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: just like a glitch that you can fix, and you know,

598
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: it'll have been like a month between big games for them.

599
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: That was their only glitch. Like otherwise, they've been just phenomenal. Obviously,

600
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter that they've torched bad teams the way

601
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: they did, but they torched bad teams repeatedly. Nobody was

602
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: able to stay close to them except for you know,

603
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: when Michigan figured out how to get pressure on Rok

604
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: in the second half of that game. So I got

605
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: They're just they're really well rounded. And it feels weird

606
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: to say, but I mean, when you look at their stats,

607
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: they're second in points per job on offense, their sixth

608
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: on defense, first in offensive success rate, eleventh on defense.

609
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: You just don't see weaknesses. Their explosive miss numbers are great,

610
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: but even their pass protection numbers for the year were good.

611
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, well, okay, they weren't good. They were their

612
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: fiftieth in Sacchary for the year. That's sound terrible. Yeah no,

613
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean they were. They had a weakness

614
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: free defense and a offense that was only temporarily bad

615
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: at one thing. They're going to be really good. I

616
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: had Notre Dame picked, like we all did our instant

617
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: reaction things after the bracket was announced, and suddenly I

618
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: had Notre Dame in the finals. Didn't realize was I realized?

619
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,959
Speaker 1: I was not high on Notre Dame. But it's it's

620
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: kind of funny. I think they can absolutely make a

621
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: run and they might be the most vulnerable team in

622
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: the first round two.

623
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was.

624
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: I was.

625
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 2: I was actually a perfect setup for my next question

626
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: about the playoff brackets. So you're right, everybody kind of

627
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: had their initial reaction to the playoff field. A lot

628
00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 2: of the discourse centered around pathways in ye path ways

629
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: in if your Penn State a matchup against SMU and

630
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: Boise State, if you're Texas a matchup maybe you know

631
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: Clemson in round one, Arizona State in round two. Comparatively, speaking,

632
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: those seems somewhat favorable. How do you look at the bracket?

633
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 2: How do you judge how this thing has set up?

634
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 2: Are you already eyeing a potential like reseeding at some

635
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: point in the future to maybe make things better. How

636
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 2: do you come down on just the structure, not necessarily

637
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: who's going to make it through.

638
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: I really hope they don't do receding, because I can't

639
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: really set that up and excel. I'm going to need

640
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: something a little better for my simulations. I can do

641
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: a really quick sim and excel when it's seated like this,

642
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: So I hope, you know, for my sake, I do

643
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: think they're gonna I think when even Reese Davis is saying,

644
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: you know, just just see them one to twelve get

645
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: rid of by the conference. I love the conference title.

646
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: They little carrot there, and I think they did a

647
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: good job of making sure those games mattered. Between that

648
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: and not punishing SMU. I thought they did a good

649
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: job and making all that matter. But I already kind

650
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: of accepted that that's probably going away and that should

651
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: impact a little bit. I thought it was interesting. On Sunday,

652
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: I looked at the title odds I had for from

653
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: sp plus versus what it would have been had they

654
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: just seeded one through twelve, Like who who was actually

655
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: screwed by that? Who benefited from that? And I mean

656
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: it was pretty it was pretty definitive. I mean Organs. Strangely,

657
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: Organ's title odds were basically the same either way. With

658
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: the current system, it's twenty point four percent, and with

659
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: the if they'd just gone one through twelve, it would

660
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: have been twenty one point nine. So they're held back

661
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: a hair, but not too bad. The teams that got

662
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: screwed by this current setup are o highest state in Tennessee,

663
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: who would have gotten playoff home games in against like

664
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: you know whatever, the ten and eleven teams or whatever,

665
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: versus having to play each other and then play at

666
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: work in Those are the ones in the current system.

667
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: I got Ohio State at twelve and a half percent

668
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: and Tennessee at five point one. If they'd just gone

669
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: one through twelve, Tennessee's go up two point three percent.

670
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: Ohio States called four point one. So still, I mean,

671
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: the hierarchy doesn't really change, but definitely it hurt those

672
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: those couple of teams that ended up right square in

673
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: the middle.

674
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 3: Who was the best team that didn't make it in

675
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 3: from a cold naked numbers perspective, Ole Miss.

676
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: They were they are still, I believe, third in SP

677
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: plus because when they looked good, they looked just utterly spectacular.

678
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: Their wins were almost all completely dominant, including some against

679
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: either good teams or teams that beat other good teams

680
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: and then just got just destroyed. But like South Carolina

681
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: got destroyed by Old Miss. So I have absolute confidence

682
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: that they were really, really, really good this year and

683
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: they blew it and you know, they don't get to

684
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: play in the playoff.

685
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 3: Is there a range and obviously there are a thousand

686
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 3: variables here, but is there a range of weeks where

687
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 3: teams hit their peak in terms of performance that you

688
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 3: can understand why a team isn't what they are on

689
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 3: September ninth, You can understand why a team isn't what

690
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 3: they are in November three thirtieth. But is there is

691
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 3: there a week typically where the best teams look the

692
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 3: best they're going to look all season long? And understandably so,

693
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 3: because it's a sport of attrition and injury and variables.

694
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:15,919
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't the answer.

695
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: No, it's totally yeah.

696
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, because I'm trying to think through Like

697
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: everybody definitely peaks at their own time. I think the

698
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: weeks where the best teams look the best are when

699
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: they're playing upstarts, about halfway or midway, like two thirds

700
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: through the year. Like you know, Georgia always seems to

701
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: do like Ohio State did against Indiana, when they feel

702
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 1: challenged by an undue opponent, they tend to play particularly well.

703
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 1: But no, I mean, I do think injuries play such

704
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: a huge role. Obviously, September is its own beast, and

705
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: you are often a very very different team late in

706
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: the season. But you know, even the best teams don't

707
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: necessarily nail the peak right now. I was looking the

708
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: other day at you know, I try to keep kind

709
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: of a weighted average of who's overachieving again the projections,

710
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: who's doing the best right now, Like Arizona States destroying

711
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: sp plus projections at the moment, it basically came to

712
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: a conclusion on them mid season, and then the last

713
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: six games they've overachieved by twenty two, then two, then

714
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: twenty two again, then eight, then thirty five, then thirty,

715
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: like they've they've figured something out late in the year.

716
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: Once both Levitt and Scataboo got healthy, they are completely

717
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 1: completely different team than they were when they were barely

718
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: beating Texas State A state in Week three. So it does.

719
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a trend, but it is. There

720
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: are always teams that do ups and downs, and it's

721
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: really interesting, Bill.

722
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 2: I want to know the story of Georgia football this year.

723
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 3: Start from the beginning.

724
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: Start from the beginning is eighteen ninety one in the

725
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: Yeah two thousand No. I had crafted kind of an

726
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 2: early season narrative looking at some numbers that Georgia wasn't

727
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 2: as effective running the full ball first and second down,

728
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: put more pressure on the passing game. The receivers weren't there,

729
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: Carson Beck was either not getting catches from his receivers,

730
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: was not accurate a whole litany of things. Is that

731
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: a true narrative? And then secondly, do we just throw

732
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 2: the whole thing out the window now with a different

733
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: starting quarterback, presumably as we go into the playoff. How

734
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 2: does like the Carson Beck version of Georgia that we

735
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: saw evolve over the season now influence I guess what

736
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 2: you expect to see going into this playoff.

737
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 1: I think the biggest. Yeah, like my impression of Georgia

738
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: changed about thirty eight times. This year was so annoying.

739
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: You know, even the Kentucky game, when I'm watching it thinking, Okay,

740
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: here they go, this is what they do. But then

741
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: you look at the stats and like their postgame went

742
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: expectancy was forty three percent. That wasn't just a screwing

743
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: around making a couple of mistakes kind of game. They

744
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: were like the inferior team in that game against a

745
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: Kentucky team that granted was that it's best in September,

746
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: but still went all that great, And so that was

747
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: kind of alarming. I think basically, now that we have

748
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: like a full sea set of data, I think the

749
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: biggest reason for the ups and downs is that they

750
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: they're not explosive this year at all. They do not

751
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: have a scary skill core in the slightest even the

752
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: atn is He's obviously good, but not like not spectacular.

753
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: We've got a lot of spectacular running backs in the playoff,

754
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: he's like the ninth best, and so you know, they

755
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 1: just don't have ways of creating huge chunk plays and

756
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: they needed back to get in a great rhythm to

757
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: start scoring and obviously, you know the slow starts and

758
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: when they picked it up they had to and they

759
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: showed a lot of resilience and all that stuff. But

760
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: they're just not as scary this year. They don't have

761
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: as many scary breakthrough defenders. They're you know, success rate,

762
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: they're still efficient, but they're twenty third on offense, they're

763
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 1: twenty ninth on defense, and they've faced a ridiculous schedule,

764
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: but you still expect better numbers than that. So I

765
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: think that's that's why I had Notre Dame in the final.

766
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: I had them beat I handed it hard about Indiana.

767
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: I picked Notre Dame and thought, well, Notre Dame's beating Georgia.

768
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: That was a very funny thought to have. Just like

769
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: in an instant, I'm like, oh, yeah, they're beating the dogs,

770
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: so that'll be I'm not like, I'm not going to

771
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: say I'm going to be surprised if they win, but

772
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't have them as the favorite. I

773
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,479
Speaker 1: probably haven't in as like the fifth favor right now.

774
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 3: It's weird to say that a team is an underdog

775
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 3: or a team is a Cinderella story, especially when teams

776
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 3: like ASU and Boise State are seated as highly as

777
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 3: they are, even though they're not being taken seriously, it

778
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 3: seems conventional wisdom wise, and they join I think Clemson

779
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 3: and SMU, and I don't know if I'm forgetting anybody

780
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,919
Speaker 3: else in terms of maybe Indiana, who's just like, yeah,

781
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 3: they don't have a shot. Like if you look at

782
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 3: the brackets, which of those five or six teams would

783
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 3: you most want to be a fan of in this moment?

784
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: If we're including Indiana, then Indiana, I think, yeah.

785
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 3: I heard Indiana, ASU, Boise State, SMU.

786
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's Indiana, SMU, probably Boise They stayed

787
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: next simply because you know they're the G five team,

788
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: but they're going to have the best player on the

789
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: field in every game they play in this playoff, whether

790
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: it's whether it's one or two or three.

791
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 3: And Clemson, by the way, Clemson in that conversation as well,

792
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 3: No you.

793
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: Have and I've not gotten to Clemson. Yeah, sorry, continue

794
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: because I think Clemson's well, I think Arizona State's probably

795
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: next because they're so hot. Clemson's just not scary either,

796
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: like club Nick's fine, but he's not a national title quarterback.

797
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: They don't have a national Williams is good, but they

798
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: don't have a national title skill core. Their defenses has

799
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: to be a little more aggressive than normal to make

800
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: a plays, and it means they're giving up more big

801
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: plays than normal. They just they have They're a top

802
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: fifteen team and they're probably going to lose that.

803
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 3: Well.

804
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: They were zero and three against sp plus Top twenty

805
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: before they beat SMU the other day, and they basically

806
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: won that game because of a five minute explosion at

807
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 1: the beginning of the game that they managed to just barely,

808
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: you know, make last the rest of the way. So

809
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: I just they're just they're they're a good team. They're

810
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: a top fifteen team, and I don't see any reason

811
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: to think they're gonna Maybe they can upset Texas if

812
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: they forced three or four turnovers, which they might because

813
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: gwinn Ewers is very generous right now, but I don't

814
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: see them winning two games.

815
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 3: Who is your odds on favorite? You mentioned penciling in

816
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 3: Notre Dame over Georgia without much thought. Who I mean?

817
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 3: You and the numbers are two different entities. Who do

818
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 3: you see and who do the numbers like?

819
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: I think I agree with the numbers in this one

820
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: and just that they have Oregon at the top, like

821
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: it's Oregon with a twenty percent chance is the favorite.

822
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: This is definitely a take the field, no matter who

823
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: we're talking about kind of situation. But I do think

824
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: I've seen it. Obviously, the defensive performance against Penn State

825
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: could have been better, and I do worry a little

826
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: bit about like the run defense there sometimes, sure, but

827
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I still came away. I came

828
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: away from the Big Ten Championship more confident in both teams. Actually,

829
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: just because I needed to see, you know, after Oregon's

830
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: offense kind of messed around early in the year, they

831
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 1: I wanted to see them get tested and responded. They

832
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: just kept scoring the other day against a really good

833
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: Penn State defense, one that is probably not the best

834
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: in the playoff, but is you know, top four in

835
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: the playoff, top five, So that was a you know,

836
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: I came away pretty confident in them, and I think

837
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: they should be the favorite. I do think Penn State's

838
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: path if we're talking about paths, right, they're they're going

839
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: to be able to probably run the ball pretty well

840
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: on SMU. They're going to and I think they're going

841
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: to be able to defend SMU pretty well, even though

842
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: s of he's kind of just like a I don't

843
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: want to insult them and say they're a discount brand Organ,

844
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: but they're not. They're like, they're very organ ish, but

845
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: just not as talented, and obviously Organ scored a lot

846
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 1: of points. I think they'll be able to handle SMU.

847
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: I think they'll be able to handle Boise and suddenly

848
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: you're one win from the final at that point, so

849
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: I like their path a lot. But I do think

850
00:41:58,719 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: Organ has kind of earned the right to be the

851
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 1: top team here.

852
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 3: I came up with a theory this morning that I've

853
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 3: already told Tay about the playoff and about paths, and

854
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 3: obviously you have zero numbers to either confirm nor deny

855
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 3: my theory because this is the first year of a

856
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 3: twelve team playoff. My working theory, and I reserve the

857
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 3: right to change it, is that Oregon actually has the

858
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 3: easiest path to the championship, or a much easier path

859
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 3: than initially we think. And that's because I'd rather be

860
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 3: a fan of a team playing the good teams earlier.

861
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 3: Because of a new stat quotent that I'm going to

862
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 3: call the ding frequency that we have no idea what

863
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 3: a team playing seventeen college football game sixteen college football

864
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 3: games is going to look like. We are also in

865
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 3: the midst of an extraordinarily chaotic distraction season. You have

866
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 3: players wondering are they going to stay? Are they going

867
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 3: to go? You have coaches wondering are we going to stay?

868
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 3: Are we going to go? Is my heart elsewhere am

869
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 3: I coaching at a team? But I know I'm going

870
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 3: to be some where else on January thirteenth or something

871
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 3: like that. And if we're going to assume Tennessee has

872
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 3: a terrific defense, I think that's fair. If we're going

873
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 3: to assume Ohio State has a terrific defense, I think

874
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 3: that's fair. I'd rather get those defenses and potentially a

875
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 3: Texas defense as early as possible and have the easiest

876
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 3: possible matchup if that is what we're looking at the

877
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 3: other side of the bracket as being in the championship game.

878
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 3: How do you feel about that line of thinking my

879
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: ding frequency during distraction season.

880
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: I think there's there's validity validity to the idea that

881
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess they're getting what basically like two

882
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: weeks off and then like.

883
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 3: And they get on both Ohio State.

884
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: They get more than two weeks off, right, and then

885
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 1: so they played the like January first, and then January

886
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: tenth and the twentieth, like a there's a solid amount

887
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: of recovery time in those. But no, I think if

888
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: I didn't, I would still be very scared of Ohio

889
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: State's a game.

890
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 3: Sure, well, I'm not saying Oregon can win a game.

891
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 3: I'm just saying in terms of the percentages, I can

892
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 3: see value in it.

893
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: I think, you know, number one, just having the buy

894
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: Every coach I've talked to, and I realized coaches aren't

895
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: always right, but every coach I've ever ever talked to

896
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: about this thinks the buye is too much of an

897
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: advantage and it's unfair. Wow, they and it was always

898
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 1: you know, like Texas in the five seed, their their

899
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 1: odds are basically the same as if they'd gotten a buye,

900
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: just in terms of winning games, but also they have

901
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: more injury risk and less recovery time right here at

902
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: the start, which I guess means they could also be rusty.

903
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, like the coaches thought the buy like they

904
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 1: want the buyers to go away and everybody to plays sixteen. Well,

905
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: coaches when I have like a thirty two team tournament

906
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: so that they can get in and not get fired.

907
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: But you know what I'm saying, So yeah, I mean,

908
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: I think there's absolutely value in the bye. There's value

909
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: in the fact that this is a tournament. It's not

910
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: a player off with one extra game, like you could

911
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: legitimately have bracketbusters in this kind of thing. And you're right, like, suddenly,

912
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: I guess in the playoff, we still had Georgia playing

913
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 1: TCU in the final. But yeah, right, so it could

914
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: happen with any number. But yeah, there's there's value there.

915
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: I still fear Ohio State if I'm Oregon, but sure,

916
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: you know you're you're going to be the last banged

917
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: up team in the quarterfinals for sure.

918
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 2: Bill, What is the deal with Ohio State? I know

919
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 2: it's like, I mean, don't watch the same game we

920
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 2: did against Michigan. It's it's sort of the eternal question.

921
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 2: It's very easy to, I think, talk yourself into a

922
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 2: corner with this team because the talent is undeniable. If

923
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 2: you're obviously an Ohio State fan. You look at the

924
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: results against Michigan, against you know, Oregon earlier in the year,

925
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,439
Speaker 2: those both count as l's although I think two very

926
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: different games. We have seen many sides of this team.

927
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: They go up against a very good Tennessee team now

928
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 2: in the first round of the playoff, arguably the best

929
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 2: matchup of the entire first round. Where do you come

930
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 2: down on Ohio State? Just with where they are at

931
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: right now as a team, Have they shown progress? Have

932
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,479
Speaker 2: they shown enough progress to go in against a team

933
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 2: like Tennessee mind you at home and emerge? What are

934
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: they about a seven and a half point favorite right now?

935
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 2: Is that fair?

936
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: That's probably too much? But because Tennessee is maybe the

937
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: best defense in the country if Ohio States isn't, so,

938
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: I mean, they're gonna have their chance. Like I don't

939
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: trust Tennessee's offense enough to pick them in that game,

940
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: but I yeah, that's that's a tough game I think

941
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: with Ohio State. I mean, first of all, the fact

942
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: that two years ago they got pushed around by Michigan

943
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,479
Speaker 1: and then should have beaten Georgia in the playoff tells

944
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: me that, you know, that's a one, that's a sample

945
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: of one, But it does tell me that just because

946
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: what we saw them so awful against Michigan, like they

947
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: could read they could be a game from here on out,

948
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 1: like that's it's certainly possibility. And I think their agan

949
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: is probably good because I mean Nebraska game was the

950
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: only time they had really underachieved all season until that game.

951
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: Even Oregon, I mean, you know, Organ's number one team

952
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: in the country lost by one on the road, Like

953
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: that's basically you're beating any other team in the country

954
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: that day. So I had no problem with that, And

955
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: I had just started to trust Ohio State when when

956
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: Michigan came to town and we saw all the among

957
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: other things, we got verification that Will Howard isn't better

958
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: than Kyle mcord. I didn't. It felt really weird watching

959
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: that all play out last year and going really like

960
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: you and I referenced it. He was my most important

961
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: player in that piece. I always do in August for

962
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: this very reason, like we he could be better than

963
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: Kyle McCord. We don't know he is, and I don't

964
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: think he is.

965
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 3: He certainly wasn't trusted to be in big moments.

966
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, that's probably, and that's that was kind of

967
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: the revealing part to me. Number One, he did just

968
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: like he had a Kansas State he had that epic

969
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: brain fart at the end of the Organ game. That

970
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: didn't instill confidence, But I mean that was another thing

971
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: I felt like I was justified in And the off

972
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: season is basically saying he's gonna look good for ten

973
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: games in the regular season and it's the other two

974
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: where he's going to make the difference. So we're gonna

975
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: find out if he's better. And he made the worst

976
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: play of the game against Oregon, and he was just

977
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 1: awful against Michigan, and that's a bad side. He's probably

978
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: still better. He might still be better than Nico, and

979
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: so that they're probably I do think they should be

980
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: favored by all means, unless Ohio Stadium is just like

981
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: this cauldron of anxiety and crankiness for that game. He

982
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: should be the better quarterback there and they should survive that.

983
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: But you're asking him to lead Ohio State to four

984
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: straight wins now against very, very good teams, and we

985
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: have not seen that he's I watched Kyle McCord's thirty

986
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: eight interception game earlier this year or whatever that was,

987
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 1: and I still say he's not better than Kyle McCord.

988
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 3: Who do you know the least about in this playoff,

989
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 3: whether because of schedule, because of injury, because of inconsistencies.

990
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 3: Which of the teams in the playoff are you just

991
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 3: lacking data about?

992
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, like I might be lacking accurate data

993
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: when it comes to Texas, okay, because I mean, obviously

994
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: they didn't have as hard as schedule as some of

995
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: the other SEC teams, as we've heard thirty eight times

996
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: in the last like three days. But you know how

997
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: much was youers limited by the ankle injury these last

998
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 1: few weeks versus is he just broken? Because those were

999
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: two bad PIXI threw against Georgia and it cost them.

1000
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: It basically cost them the game, or kind of a

1001
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: lot of things cost them the game. Eventually they still

1002
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: should have won it, but that's really didn't help A

1003
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: and M. The only reason it was a game at

1004
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 1: all was because of his mistakes in the red zone.

1005
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: And so I couldn't pick Texas to go. I mean,

1006
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: they're going to probably peak climps in Arizona State, but

1007
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: I still couldn't trust them to beat two more teams

1008
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 1: after that because I just don't trust yours. But maybe

1009
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 1: he gets a couple like a week and a half

1010
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: off here, and suddenly he can he's not necessarily fading

1011
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: away on as many passes anymore, and he's thrown more

1012
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: accurate out routes and whatnot, and suddenly he's fined. And

1013
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: so between that and you know, the offense as a whole,

1014
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: the running game, it took them a while to figure

1015
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: out how to craft a good running game, it seemed like.

1016
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: But it's pretty good now. Maybe I'm kind of undervaluing

1017
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: them because my data points aren't as accurate as my

1018
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: brain thinks they are. So that's that's one. Otherwise, I mean,

1019
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: you're just thinking to who has the week schedules? Indiana?

1020
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: Maybe we don't know enough about ya.

1021
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 3: How do you evaluate Notre Dame. Notre Dame is service academies.

1022
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 3: It is down Stanford, extraordinarily average, elite loser USC. Nobody

1023
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 3: loses winnable games like USC, and you get the two

1024
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 3: pick sixes. The monster pick six is at the end

1025
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 3: of that game. You know, I think Louisville's a pretty

1026
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 3: good team. Georgia Tech was without it's starting quarterback, and

1027
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 3: that one. I'm a believer, and you have your resume

1028
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 3: sp plus, it's not necessarily who you play but it's

1029
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 3: how you play who you play. You know, if one

1030
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 3: hundred is playing nothing but ranked teams and zero is

1031
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 3: playing nobody, where where does Notre Dame fit it in

1032
00:50:58,440 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 3: terms of number confidence?

1033
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean from a resume standpoint, Yeah, they did.

1034
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,959
Speaker 1: Basically they they did. They pulled in Indiana since Week

1035
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: two when they had these single most inexplicable loss of

1036
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: the season. One that was unlike Alabama, Vandy was a

1037
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: statistically even game because their offense was so bad. They've

1038
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: been like the second or third best team in the country,

1039
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: So you can't really write off the fact that they

1040
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: did what they did against Northern Illinois. But it was

1041
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: so long ago, and Leonard looks healthy, and you know,

1042
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: just they're the dominant levels they've shown, like the postgame

1043
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: win expectancy thing against since Northern Illinois, it's been undred

1044
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: percent seventy nine hundred hundred, one hundred hundred hundred and

1045
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: seventy seven. Like the USC game was definitely aided by

1046
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: the pick six, is they were still the better team

1047
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: and they probably make the plays down the stretch regardless.

1048
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: So I feel like at this point, you know, they

1049
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: played some pretty good offenses. They held Louisville to twenty

1050
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: four points. They held. Even if we ignore the Army game.

1051
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: You know, the Georgia Tech has moved the ball well

1052
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: against a couple of playoff teams and or near playoff teams,

1053
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: and they scored thirteen points. I feel confident in the

1054
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: defense and the offense has just been kind of a

1055
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: deal where they really haven't played a good defense all year.

1056
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 2: Lay and them.

1057
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: But you know, you score forty nine every game. I

1058
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: start to trust you after a while, like, maybe you

1059
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: only score twenty eight against a good defense, but that's

1060
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: still twenty eight, So I think they're in really good shape.

1061
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: The lack of passing explosive this does concern me because

1062
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: you do have to score on six, eight, ten plays

1063
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,240
Speaker 1: instead of just a you know, one play eighty yards.

1064
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: But they get a lot of big plays from the

1065
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: run game and that helps Bill.

1066
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 2: Let's close out with this. We've talked a lot about

1067
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 2: the playoff. We've talked a lot about I guess the

1068
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 2: season retrospective. What are you looking forward to from the

1069
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 2: other side of the postseason with regards to bull matchups.

1070
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 2: Are there any that you've looked at and they stand

1071
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 2: out and you say, hey, that's an interesting game, or

1072
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 2: there's a statistical anomaly that we will see on display

1073
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 2: in X versus. Why what jumps out to you among

1074
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 2: the other thirty four odd games that we're going to

1075
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 2: see this.

1076
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: Postseason, Well, the statistical anomaly is s PPLUS is going

1077
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: to do horribly again. So I think we can just

1078
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: pencil that in for any future both in here. Yeah,

1079
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: I basically I have a piece. This cues up the

1080
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: piece I have on Friday. You know, questions and storylines

1081
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: for all forty Ish Bowl games. There are some fun ones.

1082
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: There are always fun ones, and part of it is

1083
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: we don't know which ones are going to be the

1084
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: old Dominion Western Kentucky nonsense like last year. But I

1085
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: do think, you know, but Georgie Tech Vanderbilt, that's what

1086
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: I was thinking of. I love to when two of

1087
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: the main characters of the season get to meet and

1088
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: one last time, and you know the winner will win

1089
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: my you know, dog in Him Award. So that's good

1090
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: love though they're playing, love that East Carolina and NC

1091
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 1: State are plane, even if they should just move the

1092
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: game to you know, Charlotte or something. That's just ECU

1093
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: fans are at their absolute most ridiculous when NC States

1094
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: on the other side of the field. So that should

1095
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: be a really fun environment and that kind of makes

1096
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: a lot of these games. I wish all Ben hadn't

1097
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: left Ohio because Ohio Jacksonville State would have been EG

1098
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: five Bowl game, just a blast, and I guess maybe

1099
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: rich Rock won't be Jacksonville State could lose it go yeah,

1100
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: well yeah, so that one was kind of disappointing. A

1101
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: celebration Bowl is gonna be awesome this Saturday, two very

1102
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: very hot teams who I looked it up. After three

1103
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: weeks jackson State was forty eight and my splus FCS

1104
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: rankings at South Carolina State was eighty ninth. Now they're

1105
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: tenth and twentieth because they have just absolutely you know,

1106
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: road graded everybody in their conferences. So that should be

1107
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: a really high quality game and it's always fun anyway.

1108
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: So those are probably the best ones. I mean, obviously,

1109
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: like Michigan and Alabama is a great helmet game, and

1110
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: if Alabama is kind of poudy at all, Michigan's going

1111
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: to play super confident. They probably have the probably gonna

1112
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: give something close to their a game.

1113
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 3: So you're talking nine, ten, eleven, points. Yeah, maybe even

1114
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 3: fourteen yeah o.

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00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: With turnovers. Yeah yeah, so no, like it's it's fun

1116
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: like you basically, it is just kind of like we

1117
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: know they are going to be awesome games. We have

1118
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 1: no idea where they're going to be. Just got to

1119
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: keep your eye on each one and then delight in

1120
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: the nonsense like uh Western Kentucky Old Dominion last year.

1121
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 3: Definitely.

1122
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 2: His name is Bill Connelly. You could find his fine

1123
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 2: work out at ESPN dot com. Uh, before we let

1124
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 2: you go, give us the book update Bill for people who,

1125
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 2: because people love you, especially on this show, especially in

1126
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 2: this world. What what is the book? What is the

1127
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 2: timeline for the book? How is it going writing the

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00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:45,720
Speaker 2: book during the college football season?

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00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: What Timeline's a mess?

1130
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 2: What can you share with us on that front?

1131
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, like going with a real publisher this time, so

1132
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: which means that I can't finish the book in June

1133
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 1: and have it in people's hands in August. So yeah,

1134
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: I had to do a lot of work on it

1135
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: this fall, submitting the manuscript in the January. It will

1136
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: hopefully be out by August, but we'll see. It's it's

1137
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: tentatively called forward progress. It's basically, how do we get

1138
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: here and where are we going? For everything? You know,

1139
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: so you've got your you've got your conference realignment, you've

1140
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 1: got your history of television, You've got all that stuff.

1141
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: And it's been fun. Like it's it's been a hard

1142
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: book to write because like half of it's been fun

1143
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: research and history and all that stuff. But I'm trying

1144
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: as hard as I can to spin things forward and

1145
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: be positive about spinning things forward, right, And you know,

1146
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 1: when when you know certain commissioners throw their weight around,

1147
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 1: it becomes harder to be positive about that. But overall,

1148
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: I think it's been it's been an unlightening experience and

1149
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 1: it should be fun to should be fun to finish.

1150
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 2: Are you Are you talking about promotion relegation in this Yes,

1151
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 2: of course you're a yes.

1152
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: Actually it's it's it's mostly contained a one chapter, but

1153
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: absolutely there's no way around it. There was absolutely no one.

1154
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 2: I'm proud of you. I would be disappointed if you didn't.

1155
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: I've come to the conclusion that the best solution for

1156
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: college football is for the SEC to expand two hundred

1157
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: and twenty five teams, obviously, and the Big Ten to

1158
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: expand it two hundred twenty five teams and they could

1159
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: just be the AFC and the NFC and you know,

1160
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: promote and relegate from within.

1161
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 3: It is there a nugget that you unearthed that you

1162
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 3: could not believe going through the microfiche, going through whatever

1163
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 3: it is that you were newspapers dot Com. Yeah, newspapers

1164
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 3: dot com about TV deals, conference deals. I don't want

1165
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 3: to to give away like the golden goose here, but like,

1166
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 3: is there something that you're like, oh, didn't didn't remember this,

1167
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 3: never knew this something like that.

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Speaker 1: Well, I, you know, first of all, it is funny

1169
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: because I mean I've played with newspapers dot Com and

1170
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: everything else a million times and walked back through conference

1171
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: realignment times like early nineties and so on and so forth.

1172
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: Every single time you do it, you find something you

1173
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: hadn't found before, some rumor, some this or that. She's like,

1174
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's amazing. But I think you know

1175
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: one thing I had a lot of fun with is

1176
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: there's a chapter that's tentatively called sixty years of playoff Debates.

1177
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: Like nineteen sixty, Northwestern's athletic director was proposing a World

1178
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: Series of football right where you know, you got your

1179
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: eight teams when your six Conference Champions was his name Stuhlkm,

1180
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: and you know, and it really was this deal where

1181
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: they're like, gosh, everybody loves the World Series. We should

1182
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: have our own World Series and we should blah blah blah,

1183
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: and you just you know, it's like the Airplane conference

1184
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: from nineteen fifty nine. You start to think about, like

1185
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: if this had happened, like we're in a such a

1186
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: ridiculously different timeline right now that it is like the

1187
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: my what if brain always has uh has some fun

1188
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: with those and then like you know, it really was

1189
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: like it just vanished. Like you can find Stuhlkm in

1190
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: headlines and whatnot for a long period of time, and

1191
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: then like the summer of nineteen sixty or something like that,

1192
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: you never hear of it again. It just cuts, it

1193
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: just vanishes. You don't know why people stop talking about it,

1194
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: but it just vanishes from all thought. And they're like

1195
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: nine years later they start talking about a playoff again.

1196
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it really does back up the fact

1197
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: that we've we're arguing about the same things we've always

1198
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: argued about forever and ever, like breakaways, we were arguing

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00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: about that in the early seventies. We just we never

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00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: have new topics.

1201
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 3: I'm looking right now. So there is a theory that

1202
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 3: Stuholcom is dB Cooper and that is no, it does

1203
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 3: not align at all. Dbe Cooper was nineteen seventy one.

1204
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 3: The Disappearance Bill Connolly, ESPN. Thank you very much for

1205
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 3: your time. Can't wait for your book. Everybody do follow

1206
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 3: Bill anywhere you are on social media. Any web browser

1207
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 3: will load Bill Connolly's work at ESPN dot com. Any

1208
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,919
Speaker 3: phone will load Bill Connolly's work at ESPN dot com. Bill,

1209
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 3: as always, thank you so much for your.

1210
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 2: Thank you, Bill, Thank you all right, Dan, there is

1211
00:59:55,960 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 2: the best Bill Ce. We appreciate his time, his generosity,

1212
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 2: his intimate knowledge of all things college football. There is

1213
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 2: nobody better to help us walk through all things that

1214
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 2: transpired the season and talk through your zag. Uh yeah,

1215
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 2: exactly right, My zag. Oregon's path is actually not easy,

1216
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 2: not easy, advantageous more than it is disadvantad I think

1217
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 2: you're I think you're lying to yourself.

1218
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 3: I do No, I'm not.

1219
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 2: I think you're lying. I'm telling you. I think you're

1220
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 2: lying to Okay, in what world? In what world? And

1221
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 2: it doesn't eve mean to be organ in what world?

1222
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 2: Would you say to yourself, Yeah, I would definitely rather

1223
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 2: play Ohio State and Texas and not SMU and Boise

1224
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:50,919
Speaker 2: State and Notre Dame.

1225
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 3: Would you rather run a race at ten am or

1226
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 3: ten pm? Ty, I think freshness counts this deep into

1227
01:00:58,560 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 3: the season.

1228
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 2: I just tell you, I would much rather the pathway

1229
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 2: on the other side of the bracket, or though on

1230
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 2: the Texas side of the bracket, you know they're coming

1231
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 2: out of their like bottom left quadront. I guess it

1232
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 2: depends on which bracket you're looking at. I would much

1233
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 2: rather take the Clemson road. As Bill said, Clemson doesn't

1234
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 2: scare them. I would much rather play Arizona State neutral

1235
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 2: site game because Texas that Texas is just a better team.

1236
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 2: In my opinion, I would much rather have that pathway

1237
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 2: into the semi finals than having to go against arguably

1238
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 2: arguably the most talented team in the tournament. If Ohio

1239
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 2: State should make it through Tennessee, I just I understand.

1240
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 3: As early, if you if it's inevitable that you're going

1241
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 3: to play.

1242
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 2: It's nothing's early at this point.

1243
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 3: It's going to be like week early in the playoff,

1244
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 3: early in the tournament.

1245
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 2: This isn't the basketball tournament, Dan, this is not the

1246
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 2: basketball tournament. Everybody is dinged up at this point, and

1247
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 2: presumably if you're making it through to that would be

1248
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 2: quarterfinal round. I don't think you're going to see a

1249
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 2: whole lot in the way of Cinderellas. So everybody you

1250
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 2: play is going to be talented. If Oregon just happens

1251
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 2: to draw Ohio State, which again, for my money, might

1252
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 2: be the most talented team in this whole thing, they

1253
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 2: may not always show it.

1254
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 3: I don't.

1255
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 2: I can't see how in any universe you would rather

1256
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 2: that matchup than playing, you know, Boise State, if your

1257
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 2: Penn State.

1258
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:27,919
Speaker 3: Because health matters, because health and depth are what has

1259
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 3: traditionally talent, health and depth, and health and depth are

1260
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 3: obviously tied together decided this sport.

1261
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 2: Listen, if you want to go with this line of thinking.

1262
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm not telling you they're winning a game.

1263
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 3: I'm not telling you they're better than Ohio State or

1264
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 3: Tennessee or whoever. But I'm just saying, if the best

1265
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 3: three defenses in America are as of now, it seems Texas,

1266
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 3: Ohio State, and Tennessee, right, I say get them as

1267
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 3: early as humanly possible. When you are at your freshest,

1268
01:02:58,280 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 3: at your health.

1269
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 2: But you might have to play this. You might have

1270
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 2: to play him, but you're notre Dame. You might have

1271
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 2: to play one of them.

1272
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 3: But here here's the thing too, though, If everybody's gonna

1273
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 3: get dinged up, if I'm telling you, Ty, they're gonna

1274
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 3: all They're all gonna remember me.

1275
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 2: Usually I come up with these kakamami ideas.

1276
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 3: Now usually it's me. I'm telling them, Ty, if you

1277
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 3: are okay, if Oregon is so good that they're going

1278
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:24,919
Speaker 3: to make the championship game, but they have to go

1279
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 3: through uh, you know, whoever you perceive to be lesser

1280
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 3: than in this playoff, if you perceive to be Boise

1281
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 3: State or Arizona State or whatever. Okay, So they're already

1282
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 3: supposed to beat them. So they prove nothing by beating

1283
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 3: Boise State again an Arizona State who is good but

1284
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 3: not as talented and has not not been as impressive

1285
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 3: as Oregon this year. So you prove nothing, you get

1286
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 3: dinged up along the way. You're down, you know, Derek Harmon,

1287
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 3: you're down, Evan Stewart, you're down. Whoever you're down your

1288
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,439
Speaker 3: you know, offensive coordinator Will Stein has accepted the North

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Speaker 3: Carolina job. This is this is not the universe in

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Speaker 3: which we live right where You're just like, there's a

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Speaker 3: lot happening, and now you have to take on Georgia

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Speaker 3: or Notre Dame or Texas or something like that. Like,

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Speaker 3: how is that advantageous for Oregon? I don't. I'd much

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Speaker 3: rather be at your freshest for the best. And I

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Speaker 3: have watched Oregon lose a ton of players ahead of

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Speaker 3: a national championship game. So maybe that's my own baggage

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Speaker 3: that they were down a bunch of players for that

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Speaker 3: Ohio State game in twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you could talk yourself into anything. I just disagree.

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Speaker 2: I would much ra Georgia at their freshest right now. No, no,

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Speaker 2: and they won't be right and they won't be so,

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Speaker 2: so I'd rather Notre Dame's path, is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: You can rather have Notre Dame's path. But I'm saying

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Speaker 2: Notre Dame is going to get dinged up along the way,

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Speaker 2: and the Notre Dame is not going to be what

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Speaker 2: they look like. It's January twenty. It's one game.

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Speaker 3: It's one game. It absolutely is. I don't know be

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Speaker 3: your freshest for the best. Okay, I'm just telling you,

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Speaker 3: by the time we get to game sixteen seventeen, for

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Speaker 3: some of these teams, rosters are going to look different,

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Speaker 3: Injury reports are gonna look different. It's a long year.

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Speaker 3: You got guys going home for the holidays, maybe coming

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Speaker 3: back a little bit plump, Tie, eating a little bit

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Speaker 3: too much, a.

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Speaker 2: Little bit too much of the Christmas goose.

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Speaker 3: So I've been there, all right, all right, Barbie, it

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Speaker 3: for me to criticize anybody coming back on January third,

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Speaker 3: couple pounds overweight.

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Speaker 2: So well, here's around or no, here's our out. So

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Speaker 2: lets let us know. Okay, tell us who's right? Do

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Speaker 2: you support Dan's Have I talked you into my zag? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Have you talked as Dan talked you into his Oregon zag?

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Speaker 2: Or are you going to fall down on or fall down?

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Speaker 2: Are you going to fall on the more logical side

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Speaker 2: of this argument and be on.

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Speaker 3: The more logical side?

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Speaker 2: It is?

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Speaker 3: It just is let us not telling you, Tie. I'm

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Speaker 3: just football is different than basketball, and I think that

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Speaker 3: it is like you can get by down a couple

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Speaker 3: players in that first round against Bucknell unless you're Bill

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Speaker 3: self right, Sorry, Kansas fans just take a stray out

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Speaker 3: of nowhere. That's who they lost to, right Buck Now

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Speaker 3: I think so, yeah, I'm I'm standing on this.

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Speaker 2: Hell Tim, Hey, you're entitled to believe what you want to, but.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't mean they're beating Ohio State or Tennessee in

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Speaker 3: the Rose Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Dan did his own research for this one today and

1339
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Speaker 2: came away with a very strange outcome.

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Speaker 3: Some pretty specific YouTube rabbit holes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right in so verbot gmail dot com. Of course,

1342
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Speaker 2: you can hit us up on social media let us

1343
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Speaker 2: know your thoughts on this and all of the topics

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Speaker 2: we discussed today with our good friend Bill from over

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Speaker 2: at ESPN dot com. As we said at the very

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Speaker 2: top of the episode, as you might have taken from

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Speaker 2: our conversation, we are very excited about Bulbingo. So Playbolbingo

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Speaker 2: dot com. Sign up for any free Patreon tier, put

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Speaker 2: your name in the hat. It'll take you to a page.

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Speaker 2: You just got to give us your email. At time

1351
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Speaker 2: of recording, the game is not ready to go yet.

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Speaker 2: It's not switched on, but as I said, things are

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Speaker 2: going to start up here very very soon. The first

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Speaker 2: round is essentially going to start on the seventh, the twentieth,

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Speaker 2: when the playoff kicks off. So you've got some time

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Speaker 2: here to get your name in the hat. Playbowlebeingo dot

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Speaker 2: com will get you there, as will verbowlers dot com.

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Speaker 3: Dan yep, so I got uh I have.

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Speaker 2: We've got an episode dropping on Sunday, which will be

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Speaker 2: our express look at the first half of the non

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Speaker 2: playoff Bowl games, yes seventeen of them that we're going

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Speaker 2: to go through. We will talk about the things that

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Speaker 2: we think you should pay attention to, the points of intrigue.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk through some of these bull sponsors too,

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Speaker 2: as we often do on the show.

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Speaker 3: I learned about Scooter's Coffee yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna, you know, we're gonna give

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Speaker 2: you the full deep dive on all things of interest

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Speaker 2: here as we get into Bowl season. So stay tuned

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Speaker 2: to that that's dropping on Sunday. Playoffs Playoff Discussion is

1371
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Speaker 2: going to be on the Tuesday episode of next week,

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Speaker 2: and then part two of the Big Old Bowl Preview

1373
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 2: will be next Thursday. So that's what you've got to

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Speaker 2: look forward to. Play Bowlbingo dot com is what you need.

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Speaker 3: To play Bowlbingo dot com. Have you heard of Scooter's Coffee?

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Speaker 2: By the way, I have we talked about it last year?

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Speaker 3: Did we really? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: We talked a lot about it last year, but we

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Speaker 2: should talk about again.

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Speaker 3: I well, I totally forgot about it that I totally

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Speaker 3: forgot about, Like I went to the website and it

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01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 3: was like, do you love coffee? Do you also love

1383
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Speaker 3: peanut butter twigs? Great news?

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Speaker 1: That same for.

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Speaker 2: That guy over there, Dan Rubensy, for myself, Tye Hill

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Speaker 2: the Rant. Thanks for hanging with us. We'll talk to

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Speaker 2: you all soon.

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Speaker 3: Stay song, peace,