1 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Foodstuff. I'm any Rees and I'm 2 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: Lauren Vocalbam and today, Okay, we're talking about Rochester. That's 3 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: the take, isn't it, folks. We're talking about was to 4 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: shear sauce? Yes? Yes, and we're probably going to pronounce 5 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: it differently every single time we say it throughout this episode. Yeah. 6 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: I also jokingly in the outline called this this episode, 7 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: how many times must I use spell check? In one? 8 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: In one outline? I can't say it, but for some 9 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: reason I can spell it real good. I'm not sure. 10 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what that's about, but okay, what's she sauce? 11 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: What's just your sauce? Um? If if you listeners remember 12 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,959 Speaker 1: the Bloody Mary episode, oh yeah, you might remember that 13 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: that like, like, oh I do remember that. I vaguely recall. Um, 14 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: I mentioned a story about Scooby Doo that no one 15 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure no one ever gets. So every time 16 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 1: I hear wishes your sauce or it comes up in 17 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: a conversation, I always say, worce just your sauce, I 18 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 1: hate wash, just your sauce, And then the people are 19 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,919 Speaker 1: like really why, I'm like, it's a Scooby Doo quote 20 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: my mom. Every time I do that, she's like, I 21 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 1: thought you loved was just your sauce, And every time 22 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: I have to explain it's from Scooby Doo And uh, 23 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: I would like to include the clip so that you 24 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: can enjoy the beautifultural moment, very very important, share it 25 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: with us. Yes, yes, sir, give me some more of 26 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: this here wishes a sauce. I hate sauce. It's yeah. Yeah. 27 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: That's a clip of a villain from the New Ventures 28 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: of Scooby and Scrappy Doo who is found out because 29 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: of his immense hatred for Worcester sauce. Yeah, and I 30 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: recommend looking it up, both because I love it and 31 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: also because he does quite the hand body body flail 32 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,839 Speaker 1: yeah when he says that, oh yeah, absolutely um. But 33 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: we're not the only ones that struggle to pronounce it. Then. Also, 34 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: there's a gag about this in South Park. Yes, and 35 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: the first season there's an episode called Pink Eye where 36 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: Kenny is turned into a zombie after a mortician accidentally 37 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: spills Worcester sauce into the embalming fluid. And uh, it's 38 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: not scientifically accurate, by the way, No, but in the show. 39 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: They are the only reason to stop like the zombie outbreak, 40 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: The only reason. The only way is um, I can't remember, 41 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: oh to kill the original zombie. But they only find 42 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: that out after they call the Worcester Sauce Hotline. There's 43 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: a number on the back that's like for any comments, complaints, concerns, 44 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: or if there's a zombie outbreak, please call the Wishes 45 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: your Sauce. And they do and there's a great, like 46 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: two minute bit where they're on the phone talking about 47 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: their zombie outbreak and what to do. It's really funny, 48 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: it's really okay. And um it was originally instead of 49 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: Wishes Your Sauce, it was gonna be Dr Pepper. But 50 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: Dr Pepper was like, na, how about Nay? So I 51 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: became sauce Yeah, which is not an official copyright no, 52 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: and we will talk about that a little bit. But okay, 53 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: now this brings us to our Wishes your Sauce. What 54 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: is it? Bit? Yes? Uh well, what's just your Sauce 55 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: is a thin, brown colored liquid seasoning slash sauce that 56 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: tastes sort of salty, savory, sweet heart, earthy, spiced. And 57 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: I know that that might sound like I just said 58 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: everything like all of the flavors that you can experience. 59 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: It all list, but that is what it tastes like. 60 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: It is. Um has a fun little exercise. I would 61 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: love for everyone to like stop him, think what what 62 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: do you think Worceester sauces? Just just get that in 63 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: your head and uh, I I suspect you might be 64 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: in for a surprise. I could be wrong, but I 65 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: was surprised. I was as well. Yeah. Um. The most 66 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: popular maker of Wishester sauce is a Lie and Parents. 67 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: The sauce is British and origins, but interestingly the British 68 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: and US recipes are different. Instead of malt vinegar, the 69 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: U s version calls for distilled white vinegar, which is 70 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: gluten free in three times the salt per one third ounce, 71 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: and subs out the sugar for high fruit to corn syrup. 72 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: Not really a surprise there. Also missing from the US 73 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: formula is pork liver Yoh yeah, there you go. Well, 74 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: there's one thing that you might be surprised about in 75 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: the US as serving size as a teaspoon. In the 76 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: UK and Canada, it's one tablespoon. You can find wish 77 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,919 Speaker 1: your sauce esque type of sauce is all around the 78 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: world under different names. Japan's tongkat Su sauce is an 79 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: example similar. Yes, it can be used for a lot 80 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: of things, but I mainly think of it as an 81 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: ingredient in Bloody Mary's or a marinade for steak or 82 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: burgers or something. It's also a common ingredient in deviled eggs. 83 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: These are salads and Welsh rare bits or rabbits, depending 84 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: on how you want to pronounce it. Also cocktail sauce, meatloaf, 85 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: sloppy Joe's crab cakes, meat pies, checks mix, and barbecue sauces. 86 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: Freeze dried Worcester sauce shows up in a lot of 87 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: barbecue spice reps. Actually yeah, it also pairs well with oyster, 88 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: and it is a flavor of chip. Of course it 89 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: is um it is. My mom does love wash your sauce. 90 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: I do too, but she uses it a lot. But 91 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: let's talk about how it's made. Let's get into this 92 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: fighting part of it. Oh yeah, okay, Well, so first 93 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: of all, this this is one of our many products 94 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: that we talk about on the show that tastes the 95 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: way it does, largely thanks to bacteria and yeast and 96 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: they're poop. Yep. Has it is a fermented product. The 97 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: original Lee and Parent sauce is made like this. First 98 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: you pickle onions and garlic and malt vinegar for one 99 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 1: to two years. One to two years. Towards the end 100 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: of that, you start carrying some anchovies in salt for 101 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: a few months. You heard anchovies everyone, yep, and chovies 102 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: cured anchovies. Uh. Then you take those things. You add 103 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: some salt, some sugar, some white vinegar, some malt vinegar, 104 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: some tamarind concentrate, some molasses, and a bunch of other 105 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 1: flavorings and spices which are secret but possibly include clove, sherry, brandy, lemons, 106 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: soy sauce, pickles, hot peppers, and walnut and mushroom ketchups. 107 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. You mix all this together and let the 108 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: whole mess ferment for another several months, then strain, blend, pasteurized, 109 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: and bottle. Yeah I really did not. Yeah, so it's 110 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: a fermented fish sauce. It's a fermented fish sauce. I've 111 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: never given it much thought, but I always assumed it 112 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: was kind of a like soy sauce, but with something 113 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: added in. Yeah, Like I thought it was just like 114 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: like spices. Yeah, and soy sauce. That's not what it is. Nope, nope, nope. Fascinating, yes, 115 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: super fascinating. The show How It's Made, which has to works, 116 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: is not. No, we get confused for that all the time. 117 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: The show How It's Made has an episode about how 118 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: it's made, and and honestly, it's like a real gross 119 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: looking I totally recommend looking it up. It'll it's it's 120 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: pretty cool, um. And you can make this stuff at home. 121 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: It won't be quite the same as most recipes do 122 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: skip the fermentation part, but you can come up with 123 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: a pretty decent version by slow cooking similar ingredients to 124 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: the manufactured version. Of course, if you're doing it at home, 125 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: you can leave out the anchovies if you if you're vegetarian, 126 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: for example, or you can leave out the glutinous products 127 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: like the malt vinegar. Yeah. So if anyone gives that 128 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: a try, let, oh my goodness, please do yes, especially 129 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: if you do the fermented version. Oh my god. Two 130 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: years later, we get a listener mail it's finally happening. 131 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: Sauce is ready. I want it so much? Okay, all right, yeah, well, 132 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: well hold on, hope that in two years, we hear 133 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: from someone. But in the meanwhile, we're going to get 134 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: into the history. It was just sheer sauce. But first 135 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: going to get into a quick break for a word 136 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes, 137 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: thank you. The history on this one is surprisingly suspiciously 138 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: perhaps straight forward. Yeah, if we go back to fermented sauces, 139 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: fermented sauces based around fish and specifically anchovies traced back 140 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: all the way to ancient Rome. One of the first sauces, 141 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: groom and or liquiman, was an extremely pungent fish sauce 142 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: of smaller fish like anchovies, then fermented alongside the intestines 143 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: of larger fish. These fish parts got a healthy marinate 144 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: of salt, and then we're left in the sun for 145 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 1: about two months, then drained of all the resulting liquid. 146 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: It originated in the ancient Rome and was fairly well 147 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: known in the Mediterranean by fifth century BC, as indicated 148 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: by the remains found in excavations from salteries in the region. 149 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 1: Many recipes in the Epiquos, one of the first cookbooks 150 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: called for Gerome Liquidman, including in sweets um. From there 151 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: you'd find sauces like essence of anchovie and anchovie sauce. 152 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: We could include catchup in this discussion of early fermented 153 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: fish sauces as well, but worceterester sauce as we know 154 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: it comes out of England in the eighteen hundreds. The 155 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: story is that a posh nobleman went on holiday to 156 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: Bengal in the nineteenth cent tree and developed quite a 157 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: taste for the spices he encountered there, or or possibly 158 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: it was the one time governor of Bengal, Lord Sandis. 159 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: When he returned to England, he sought out a way 160 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: to capture some of these flavors and ended up hiring 161 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: two chemists for the job, John Lee and William Parents. 162 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: Their first attempts were not successful. According to the Lee 163 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: and Parents website quote, Lee and Parents were not impressed 164 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: with their initial results. The pair found the taste unpalatable 165 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: and simply left the jars were possibly the barrel in 166 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: their cellar to gather dust. A few years later, they 167 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: stumbled across them and decided to taste the contents again. 168 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: To their delight, the aging process had turned it into 169 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: a delicious savory sauce. Now the whole rich fellow request 170 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: thing might be totally off, more of a marketing ploy 171 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: than anything else is. There are actually no records of 172 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: Lord Sandy's ever being in India and certainly not indicating 173 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: that he was the governor of Bengal, so there's some 174 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: fishy fishy parts of this story. Another story goes that 175 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: Lord Sanders's wife had a taste for curry, and a 176 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 1: friend of hers who had an uncle who served as 177 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: Chief Justice in India, gave her a recipe and even 178 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: recommended two chemists to help her try it out, or 179 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 1: that could be completely made up to at any rate. 180 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: At any rate, The first batch went on sale in 181 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: eighteen thirty seven out of the Lion Parents pharmacy in Worcester, England. 182 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: He's the name. It's not the only Wish sauce from 183 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: the area either. The success of the Lean Parents sauce 184 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: let to over thirty competitor sauces just out of Worcester. 185 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: Part of the popularity of these sauces was not only 186 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 1: flavorizing bland food, but also tenderizing tough cuts of meat 187 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: and a fun Gin and tonic throwback our Gin and 188 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 1: Tonic episode. Lee and Parents also produced quinine wine and 189 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: the purportedly anti malarial. Quinn sauce are Coine sauce in 190 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: eighteen thirty for an eighty cookbook. Two wine glasses of 191 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: porch and two of walnut pickle, four of mushroom ketchup, 192 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: half a dozen anchovies pounded the like a number of 193 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: a shallots sliced and pounded, a tablespoonful of soy, and 194 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: half a dram of cay in pepper. Let them simmer 195 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: gently for ten minutes, strain it, and when cold, put 196 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: it into bottles well corked and sealed over. It will 197 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: keep for a considerable time. Ops. This is commonly called 198 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: quin sauce and was given to me by a very 199 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 1: sagacious sauce makers. Sagacious this is fun with pronunciation should 200 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: be the other title of this show. Absolutely also um 201 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: this note and a recipe for essence of anchovie. I 202 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: found quote fresh pickle mixed with red paint. Uh. I 203 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: think maybe this met wine read to paint. I hope 204 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: it met wine. I really I do as well. Mm 205 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: hmm um. Worcester Sauce was pretty much an instant hit 206 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: in its home region, and one of the first steps 207 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: leon parents took to spread their sauce was getting it 208 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: on dining tables of British passenger ships. They wrapped the 209 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: bottles in paper to keep them from breaking. Breaking Into 210 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: this day, some of the bottles are packaged that way. 211 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: It didn't take along for it to become a British staple, 212 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: particularly as a sauce for steaks. Some of the first 213 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: ads where this stuff were great, hailing it as digestive 214 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: and that it would make your hair beautiful, among many 215 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: other medicinal uses. Worshester sauce arrived in America via New 216 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 1: York in eighteen thirty nine. Eight New York entrepreneur had 217 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: ordered a bit to test out. It was supposedly the 218 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: first commercially bottled condiment in the United States, and it 219 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: was a huge hit. As the sauce grew in popularity, 220 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: Leon Parents were able to give up their chemistry shop 221 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: and start selling the sauce full time by eighteen sixty six. 222 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: Not too long after, though, in eighteen seventy six, Leon 223 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: Parents lost the copyright to Wishes Sauce, allowing it to 224 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: be used generically. The and Parents variety is labeled as 225 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: the original Wister sauce. In the early to mid nineteen hundreds, 226 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: to Sauce made its way to Japan, along with a 227 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: bunch of other Western foods, where it was adapted into 228 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: the thicker, sweeter sauce often literally just called sauce like 229 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: sausu uh, to be served with foods like tunkatsuaki and takayaki. 230 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Sometime probably in the late twentieth century, the 231 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: original Leon Parents recipe, thought to have been lost to 232 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: the ages, was found by a company accountant, written in 233 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: Sepia Inc. In two leather folios in a dumpster. Oh no, 234 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: he rescued them. That that is a heartwarming tale of 235 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: triumph right there. Uh. And in two thousand five, Hines 236 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: Company acquired HP Foods Group, including Leon Parents and their 237 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: original sauce, for some eight hundred and twenty million dollars 238 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: United States. I mean that was for the whole group. 239 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: But like still, I just did like a dramatic cartoonish 240 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: like mouth the gap. Um wow, yeah, hind showing up again. 241 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: Sauces are your sauces are big business, that's true. I 242 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: mean put them on my My family is a big 243 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: condiment family. Um so yeah, I mean I guess you 244 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: use them a lot. You put them on different things. Wow, 245 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: your parents all right, So that's the history. Yeah, and 246 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: we do have a little bit of science for you. 247 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: But first we've got another quick break for a word 248 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you, sponsor, Yes, 249 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: thank you. There is just an amazing amount of flavor 250 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: science involved in every wee little bottle of oysters sauce. 251 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: I mean you're starting out with some of the most 252 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: strongly flavorful objects that I personally know of. Yeah. Um, 253 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: and their fermentation does all sorts of really interesting things. Um. Okay. 254 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: This is also another section full of pronunciations, so we're 255 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: making it happen this episode. We are all right, Fermented 256 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: anchovies release I no senate, which is a savory flavor compound, 257 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: and onions add glutamic acid, another savory note. Those garlic 258 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: and onions bring some sulfurous compounds, including allison and dialil disulfate, 259 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: which pain your pain receptors. That's actually why garlic and 260 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: onions taste a little bit like spicy. It's that burn. Yeah, 261 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: it's totally pain receptors that are just going, oh yeah. 262 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: There's also probably a little bit of ethanol in there 263 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: from the fermentation process, which does more of the same 264 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: as we have talked about in our alcohol related episodes. 265 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: Tamarind molasses and sugar or hygh fructose corn syrup as 266 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: some sweetness, plus the tamarind gives it the tart twinge. 267 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: Um tamarind being a tropical fruit to the taste sort 268 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: of sweet and sour. If you've never had pure tamarind, 269 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: a I recommend it, it's really interesting. Um. But b 270 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: is one of the primary ingredients and pad thaie sauce 271 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: if that helps you pay place of the flavor. There's 272 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: also kept sayssin from hot peppers and eugenol from cloves 273 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: to provide a little bit more of that bite. And 274 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: of course these specific yeasts and or bacteria that you're 275 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: using for your fermentation are going to make a huge 276 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: difference in the flavor profile. Good old sacharo mices sarah 277 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: visier is a common one. Um it also makes stuff 278 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 1: like beer and sour dough bread happen, thank you, thank you, indeed. Um. 279 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: It can also add is so amal alcohol a k 280 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: A banana flavor uh huh um and uh it and 281 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 1: Britanno mices, which we talked about in our Sour Beer episode, 282 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: provide ethel phenol a K A like barnyard or earthy 283 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: savory flavor, barnyard flavor. Yeah, but yeah, no seriously, Like 284 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 1: think in your mental catalog about Worcester sher sauce and 285 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: you will find banana in there. I'd go try something 286 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: after this. I had never thought about it before, but 287 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: it's that's definitely a flavor that is in there. Oh 288 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: my gosh. I can't wait. And now I'm interested because 289 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: I never would have thought that it had roots in India. Um, 290 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: and now I want to try it, Like with that 291 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: context in mind, if I can pick out different from 292 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: those spices, from those spice road spices, sure, yeah, yeah, 293 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: that is Worceester sauce. It's uh, this was a fun 294 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: surprising one. It is. It's as fun to read about 295 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: as it is difficult to pronounce. This is true. Um, 296 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: we've been. It's actually kind of fun to say if 297 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: you can get it right, there's something kind of fun 298 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: about it to shure. Yeah, we're gonna get people writing 299 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: in and be like, actually, actually they're at least four 300 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: accepted pronunciations. Okay, I hope we got one of them. 301 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: I mean we had to have. I did watch the 302 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: video on Huffington Post that was like Almost every article 303 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: I found about Worcester sauce started with this one's hard 304 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: to say. Here's this video. Go watch people trying to 305 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: pronounce it. Um. It does not look to my eye 306 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 1: that that is the way you should pronounce it. But 307 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: that does not mean English is fun that way. I'd 308 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: say war chest sheear Okay. I was looking at this 309 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: earlier because it was driving me nuts about how it 310 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: could possibly be pronounced the way that it is. And 311 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: I think that the problem is is that we're we're 312 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: looking at the syllables wrong, Like we're looking at war 313 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: chester Shire and it's not war Chester. It's worse Esther Okay, 314 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 1: Like like the w O R C E is one 315 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: sound unit, it's war Yeah, okay, okay. I remember the 316 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: first time I was in London, I made a fool 317 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: of myself share pronouncing Oh god, now I can't even 318 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: remember to pronounce it Leicester. Oh Lester, it's just lester. 319 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: Yeah okay. Oh still old German words that made their 320 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: way into English. Fun with words, Thanks Chaucer. Yeah, thanks 321 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: printing Press for cementing our language while the verbal part 322 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: was still evolving. No, thanks, it's more like and on 323 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 1: that note, it's time for listener. Yes, this is an 324 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: old one and I can't believe I forgot about it 325 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: and didn't read it. Okay, so listener, Nicole sent us 326 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: a picture of her adorable dog Beans and yes, please 327 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: keep the pet pictures coming every day, please, it's the 328 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: best thing. Um. But she also wrote this, I thought 329 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: you may be interested to learn about a McDonald's Black 330 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: Sabbath cover band I saw in Washington, d See a 331 00:20:54,960 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: few months ago. Yes, Nicole very interested, called mac Sabbath. 332 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: The band members dress up as dark knockoff versions of 333 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: the McDonald's characters Ronald Osbourne, Slayer, mccheese, Grimalas, and Cat Burglar. 334 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 1: And seeing McDonald's themed covers of Black Sabbath songs like 335 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 1: frying Pan, super Size and Chicken for the Slaves, it 336 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: was wild. I have attached a few pictures from the 337 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: concert to show you how wild it was, she did. 338 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 1: It was indeed quite all caps wild. Um. It was 339 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: equally terrifying and intriguing, and I thought you guys would 340 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: get a kick out of them. Also, to add to 341 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: the wildness of the concert, the band that opened for 342 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: Max Sabbath was a heavy metal Star Wars cover band, 343 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: Galactic Empire. If you ever get the opportunity to see 344 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: either of these groups, I would definitely recommend going. I 345 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: am there, sold, I am come to Atlanta. Please. If 346 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: I don't die laughing thinking about it, then yes. Look 347 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: up the pictures listeners if you're interested there Max Sabbath. 348 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: They're both hilarious and kind of frightening. It's it's quite 349 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: a beautiful thing. Ah. Yes, uh, Lindsay wrote when I 350 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: heard you were going on the bourbon trail, I just 351 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: about lost it. I've been in liquor industry at a 352 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 1: liquor store for three and a half years now, and 353 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 1: I love to talk about bourbon us too. You brought 354 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: up the ever elusive Peppy Van Winkle, and I would 355 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: just like to say that it is the bane of 356 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,479 Speaker 1: my existence. Everyone wants a bottle and out in Oregon, 357 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,719 Speaker 1: we don't get very much of it. I work at 358 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: the highest volume store in the state. Still stay controlled, 359 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: and we get the large delotment of Peppy Van Winkle 360 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: than anyone else, and we get maybe nine bottles of it. 361 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: It gets released once a year, right around the holidays, 362 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: and people get nasty over it. We don't do a 363 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: lottery or a list or anything fancy. It's first come, 364 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: first serve, and it usually gets sold within five hours 365 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: of it being in the store. I get questions on 366 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: it all year long, and I've learned some really great 367 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: alternatives that taste very similar. One of my favorites is 368 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: the old Forrester Prohibition Edition. It's a high proof fifteen proof, 369 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: but doesn't drink like it is. It's very flavorful, with 370 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: lots of hints of honey and oak and caramel, very 371 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: well balanced, and pretty budget friendly. It's only sixty dollars 372 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: here and it's readily available. Another one I like to 373 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: suggest is Weller Antique. This one, unfortunately is becoming a 374 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: little more difficult to find in my neck of the woods, 375 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 1: but it's a really wonderfully priced bourbon that tastes divine. 376 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: Just thought it would write in It's just a couple 377 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: alternatives to the ever elusive Pappy. Thank you, Yeah, thank you. 378 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't know how they shipped it out, 379 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: like how picked how it goes to places. So that's 380 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 1: a really interesting peak behind the curtain. Yeah it is. 381 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: Um are we have a liquor store like within a 382 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: block for office and um they do a lottery. Yeah, 383 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: but we love bourbon recommendations and this is great something 384 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: that's sort of similar esque. It's more attainable. Yeah, absolutely, 385 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: both price wise and just stock wise. Yes, yes, so 386 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: thank you Lindsay for writing in um. You two can 387 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: write us our emails food Stuff at a house stuff 388 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: works dot com. We're also on social media. You can 389 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: find us on Twitter and Facebook at food stuff h 390 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,959 Speaker 1: s W. 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