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Speaker 1: Out of the way. A Welcome to an emergency episode

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Speaker 1: of the No Breaks podcast, apparently, a weekly Formula one

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Speaker 1: podcast from the No dunks Ink Classic Factory, proudly a

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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming along for the ride. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Dray Kirby. We got our team principal JD keeping an

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Speaker 1: eye on the tire pressures, and we're joined, of course

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Speaker 1: by our local F one expert and a man whose

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Speaker 1: cat won't get out out of the Christmas tree. Graydon.

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Speaker 1: Guardian Graydon, what's up?

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Speaker 2: Hey, there f one sickos. I am excited to be back,

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Speaker 2: ah Man, just more. There's so much to discuss. Look

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Speaker 2: at this cat.

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Speaker 1: Look at this goddamn catill in the tree.

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Speaker 2: I mean he's in the tree. He's probably there right now.

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Speaker 1: That's literally that's his tree now, Graydon. But you're not

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Speaker 1: the only cat man in the mix. I had a

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Speaker 1: little cat happening over the weekend as well. Our neighborhood

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Speaker 1: cat Muffin stopped by the Paddock to watch this race

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Speaker 1: with me on Sunday. No breaks, Yes, cats, that's what

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Speaker 1: we say around here.

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Speaker 2: Wearing the same as Lewis Hamilton at that shot, you

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Speaker 2: know she's gone.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. Uh, this is gonna be a turbocharged

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Speaker 1: episode of no Breaks here, Graydon. We got a little

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Speaker 1: bit less than an hour to talk because we're busy dudes,

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Speaker 1: and we've only got one race to recap, Sunday's insane

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Speaker 1: Saudi Arabian Grand Prix, easily the craziest race of the season, Graydon,

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Speaker 1: Before we really get into it, what was your experience

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Speaker 1: like watching this on Sunday?

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Speaker 2: I would say that it was an emotional roller coaster.

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Speaker 2: I definitely, you know, even through the very beginning of

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Speaker 2: the race with you know, the start wasn't terribly eventful,

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Speaker 2: you know, for stapp and get stuck behind Hamilton and

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Speaker 2: Botos is steadily losing ground to Hamilton, unable to get

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Speaker 2: past Botoss, and I started to worry that is this

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Speaker 2: going to turn into the high speed parade that the

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Speaker 2: tracks critics had said it might be For a moment

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Speaker 2: there probably you know, twenty minutes into this race, it

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Speaker 2: felt like it might be one of the more boring

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Speaker 2: the case. And I mean it's just just up and

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Speaker 2: flags caused tons of wildness moving up and down the

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Speaker 2: grid and obviously lots of controversy around the what happened

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Speaker 2: between Hamilton and ver stap it out there? So one

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Speaker 2: or you know, some of our craziest races of the year.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it was a wild one in dramatic almost

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Speaker 1: the entire weekend. The drama really started Saturday at qualifying.

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Speaker 1: For two reasons you mentioned Nick Graydon. The track looked

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Speaker 1: crazy once you actually saw it in qualifying, Very long

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Speaker 1: and skinny. You've heard of a hairpin turn. This kind

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Speaker 1: of looks like just a bobby pin that you would

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Speaker 1: very tight, very fast, lots of congestion. I was a

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Speaker 1: little nervous when you started hearing reports that they were

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Speaker 1: telling the different cars and Qualifying to slow down around

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Speaker 1: like the twenty one, twenty two to twenty three complex

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Speaker 1: comes Sunday. We were texting right after we're getting some

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Speaker 1: crazy one because of reason number two. On last week's

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Speaker 1: podcast we said qualifying is gonna be crucial. Lewis Hamilton

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Speaker 1: Hamilton starts P one, P two for Botas and P

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Speaker 1: three I think for Verstappen because his previous times were

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Speaker 1: Grading this long, straighty.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's definitely it's it's I borderline found

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Speaker 2: All of these things make for fairly high risk. So

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Speaker 2: I don't But the driver actually seemed to like it.

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Speaker 2: It's funny when you heard them talk about it. They

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it might have been Ocon who said

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Speaker 1: No offense to eighteen of the twenty drivers out there,

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Speaker 1: but it's gonna be pretty much all Hamilton and verse

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Speaker 2: I think I think the issue was is that he

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Speaker 1: He says he didn't think there should be a red flag.

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Speaker 1: To me, pretty obvious. I mean, this is a big

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Speaker 2: That was a spot on. Yeah. The reality is is

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Speaker 2: And for me, I say no, I think it's I

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Speaker 2: I don't see the I don't know. I've always take

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Speaker 1: So was it a mistake you think from Mercedes to

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Speaker 1: because if we don't have a couple of more safety

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Speaker 2: So my at the time, I thought Red Bull was

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Speaker 2: kind of betting that either a red flag would come

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Speaker 1: This time Massey has ordered Verstappin down to P three

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Speaker 1: one we've seen him pointing at the camera. This one

431
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Speaker 1: he was slamming his headset like JD just heard a

432
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Speaker 1: leaf blower on the stream. Look how angry this guy is.

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Speaker 1: Did they just have a camera on Toto at all

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Speaker 1: times here?

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Speaker 2: I think they do. I this is a crazy incident.

436
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Speaker 2: This is very confusing. Honestly, Brundle is getting crafty or confused.

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Speaker 2: I think that no one was super clear here. I'm

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Speaker 2: not surprised that Stewart's wait until after the race to

439
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 2: make a ruling on this incident because and in real time,

440
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Speaker 2: it was unclear whose fault it was. You know, did

441
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Speaker 2: did Verstappin lead them enough room to go by? Why

442
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Speaker 2: did Hamilton get so confused when Verstappen slowed down? Why

443
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Speaker 2: did would he slow down? Didn't he just zoom past

444
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Speaker 2: him in the first place? You know, if there it's

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Speaker 2: I think it's it's I never saw a Hamilton truly

446
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Speaker 2: explain it. He seemed to just kind of hawk it

447
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 2: up to you know, verstapp and you know, pumping the

448
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 2: brakes on him, right, So it's it's definitely a weird moment,

449
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 2: but you know, high drama for them to collide out

450
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Speaker 2: on track. And at the time, I thought, well, even

451
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Speaker 2: if they penalized Verstappen for this, maybe this is game

452
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Speaker 2: over for Hamilton at least in terms of competing for

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Speaker 2: the race win, because I figured the damage to his

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Speaker 2: front wing would cost him a lot of pace even

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Speaker 2: if they both kept on. It seemed like he's either

456
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Speaker 2: he's gonna lose pace or they're gonna come in and

457
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Speaker 2: change his wing and that's that's the race.

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Speaker 1: So which did you think it was more upgradon? You

459
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Speaker 1: think this was more of a miscommunication for what was

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Speaker 1: happening between red Bull and Mercedes, because red Bull said

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Speaker 1: they were letting the place get, letting Hamilton get the

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Speaker 1: place back. Mercedes meanwhile said we were in the process

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Speaker 1: of telling him that Max was letting him get the

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Speaker 1: place back. Was this misscommunication or is this straight up

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Speaker 1: villainy from Max Verstappin.

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Speaker 2: I think it's. I think it's fundamentally of this communication

467
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Speaker 2: label gettability. It's it's it's hard to know what his

468
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Speaker 2: intentions were. There's certainly a lot of risks to inviting contact,

469
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Speaker 2: you know, and and especially to the back of his car.

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Speaker 2: You know, the front wing is replaceable, but if you

471
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Speaker 2: jam a car up his gearbox in the back, that

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Speaker 2: could be the end of Max or Staffin's day. There's

473
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Speaker 2: certainly the risk reward proposition here is not great for Max.

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Speaker 2: So I think in all likelihood this is just an

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Speaker 2: instance of Max reacting really quickly and wanting to the

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Speaker 2: order as well as wanting to do so at an

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Speaker 2: advantageous moment so he could be sure to be under

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Speaker 2: one second when they went through the next DRS detection zone,

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Speaker 2: which was something he was looking to do very critically.

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Speaker 2: So that, but I will say the only thing that's

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Speaker 2: hard to explain is Max kind of moves to the right,

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Speaker 2: slows down, but then does kind of like jerk back

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Speaker 2: to the middle a little bit, which seemed unnecessary and

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Speaker 2: a bit inexplicable. If it's a weird incident. It's a

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Speaker 2: weird incident, like and it doesn't totally make sense what

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Speaker 2: happened to me.

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Speaker 1: Well, what eventually happens is Verstappan got a ten second

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Speaker 1: penalty for this right which kind of had no effect

489
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Speaker 1: on the race, which is maybe the perfect call for

490
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Speaker 1: all things considered how weird it was. But like you

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Speaker 1: mentioned damage to Hamilton's front wing on this, but Mercedes

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Speaker 1: says that it's all good. I was surprised that too.

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Speaker 1: I was like, the guy doesn't have a front wing.

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Speaker 1: This is gonna be like when you want to race

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Speaker 1: on three wheels. But Stewarts are busy investigating the brake

496
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Speaker 1: tap and I think they're also investigating the second start

497
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Speaker 1: incident at as well. At this point, still no ruling yet,

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Speaker 1: So for Staffan is in P one, Hamilton is in

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Speaker 1: P two, a little bit further behind. On lap forty three.

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Speaker 1: I think ver Staffen has given his first penalty, a

501
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Speaker 1: five second penalty, which is for the lap thirty seven incident.

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Speaker 1: He's ordered to give the place back once again, which

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Speaker 1: he used. Me.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, I in my mind, if you've been penalized, Okay,

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Speaker 2: you've been penalized, you no longer need to give the

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Speaker 2: place back. That's what that's for. So why would you

507
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Speaker 2: accept the penalty and give the place back that? I

508
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Speaker 2: was unclear on that. I don't know if anybody in

509
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Speaker 2: the Slipstream team that made sense to them, but to

510
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Speaker 2: me it seemed like it was almost a double penalty

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Speaker 2: for Max at that point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very weird, but it also ended up

513
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Speaker 1: being hilarious because of the move verstap and poled. He

514
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Speaker 1: let Hamilton pass at the very last second of the

515
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Speaker 1: DRS straight and I think Hamilton was leading for like

516
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Speaker 1: the smallest split second of time that you can possibly

517
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Speaker 1: imagine because for staffing. Then just goes right past with

518
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Speaker 1: DRS and he's in the lead once again. Now this

519
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: is legal, right, I believe this little DRS gamesmanship they're

520
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Speaker 1: doing here, that's the kind of move that seems like

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Speaker 1: it should not be legal, even though.

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Speaker 2: I believe what one of the Hamilton is actually one

523
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Speaker 2: of the pioneers of this. I think it was at

524
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Speaker 2: the two thousand and eight Belgian Grand Prix. He was

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Speaker 2: I think one of the first guys to be like, oh,

526
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna let him buy right before we

527
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Speaker 2: go through the DRS detection zone and then just blow

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Speaker 2: past and I forget who with the other car the

529
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Speaker 2: incident was. So it's a little bit easier said than done.

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Speaker 2: Max obviously very skillful in his execution of it. It

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Speaker 2: does feel ridiculous and perhaps very much the less but

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Speaker 2: not the spirit of the law in this instance.

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Speaker 1: But anytime you can pull a move like that that

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Speaker 1: actually makes the broadcasters laugh, I think it's a I

535
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Speaker 1: think it's good. You know, it might be a little

536
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Speaker 1: skirting the rules, but I think it's good if you

537
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Speaker 1: can make the broadcast.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's legal. What I do think is peculiar

539
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: is the then what I always think is peculiar is

540
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Speaker 2: having DRS after having overtaken someone because he lets Hamilton

541
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Speaker 2: go by, goes to the DRS detection zone, slips past Hamilton,

542
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Speaker 2: which I'm surprised Hamilton allowed him to do so easily,

543
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Speaker 2: or he was just able to do so easily. In

544
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Speaker 2: theory they're both going at full speed, or even Max

545
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Speaker 2: has had to slow down at a critical moment and

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00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: the theory wouldn't have been carrying as much speed. But

547
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: then gets the open wing went out in front to

548
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Speaker 2: re establish his lead, which I've always thought was peculiar.

549
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 2: I feel like drs should maybe no longer be enabled

550
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Speaker 2: if you're only opening the wing once you've passed the person.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It definitely feels weird, right, I mean it.

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Speaker 1: But it was side. Yeah, it's like, I don't know,

553
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Speaker 1: I love a loophole.

554
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Speaker 2: I just love it. Loophole. It's a great. Yeah, absolutely

555
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: it's a loophole.

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Speaker 1: But all right, So lap forty four, Hamilton finally takes

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Speaker 1: P one. He finally gets it done. Not sure at

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Speaker 1: that point if red Bull was letting him through, or

559
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Speaker 1: if their tires were just falling off, or if it

560
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: was kind of a combination of both. Either way, Hamilton

561
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Speaker 1: gets that one done pretty easily, runs away, so that's

562
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Speaker 1: the fastest lap, wins the race to get maximum points,

563
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Speaker 1: which ties him up with Verstappen in the championship race,

564
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Speaker 1: or as Crofty said, level pegging. Level pegging is what

565
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna call anytime there's a tie from now on,

566
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Speaker 1: what a saying, Graydon. There's also a great moment on

567
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Speaker 1: this final lap, Valrie Botas hits Esteban Okhon with the

568
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: Toretto finish too soon, hits the DRS, passes him for

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Speaker 1: P three fist pumping as he goes past the checkered flag.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was hilarious. Post race, max Verstapping gets

571
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Speaker 1: a ten second penalty for the break check and his

572
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: post race interview he said, yeah, it was quite eventful.

573
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Speaker 1: A lot of things happened, indeed they did, and then

574
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Speaker 1: this was the most hilarious part to me, Max Ver

575
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Speaker 1: staffing driver of the day.

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Speaker 2: Driver of this. The fans, I mean, what could you

577
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Speaker 2: say about a food fans They are for a sport

578
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: that a weirdly part is in sport you'd feel like,

579
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: I get why, like people are bloodthirsty about teams, you know,

580
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 2: in their cities and things like that, but it's weird.

581
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: How loyal but the verstap and loyalists were out hitting

582
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Speaker 2: their phones making sure that he got some recognition for

583
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Speaker 2: whatever it is that happened out there. I do think

584
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Speaker 2: it was funny to watch how measured max Is in

585
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 2: his response to things, you know, saying things not just

586
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 2: that a lot of stuff happened, but oh you know,

587
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: we still got second. That's good point. He says, we

588
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: got second, that's good points. You got to be happy

589
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: with that result. Whatever. Such after such an intense race

590
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: in which he skirted the rules so many times to

591
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Speaker 2: be so cool about it. I guess he's just quintessentially

592
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 2: Dutch in that way or something like that. But it's

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Speaker 2: it's it, it it was, Uh, it was really something.

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Speaker 1: What did you think about all the shade being thrown

595
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: Verstappen's way Brundle. Brundle was even calling him out on

596
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: the broadcast, which you don't hear very often. Lewis was

597
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: very measured, talking about all of his experience and now

598
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Speaker 1: all he was trying to do is do it the

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Speaker 1: right way and bring the car in. Uh. They were

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Speaker 1: throwing massive shade at first Stapen and honestly like the

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Speaker 1: guy was going crazy out there on se.

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Speaker 2: I do think I the break check incident is the

603
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Speaker 2: is the wildest of them, right, and the most confusing

604
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Speaker 2: and probably most controversial. But the ones that are also

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Speaker 2: I think are you know, in arguably just he probably

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Speaker 2: shouldn't have done her cutting the corner twice. It's just

607
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Speaker 2: you can't be like, you can't say one week, you know,

608
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Speaker 2: just let him race, we want to win on the

609
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Speaker 2: track and then be like butt for us the track

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Speaker 2: is thirty meters shorter because I like to cut that corner.

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Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know, it's just I do think

612
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Speaker 2: that he deserves a little bit of criticism for kind

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Speaker 2: of how they drove out there, although at the same time,

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Speaker 2: I mean this is I mean they're fighting tooth and

615
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Speaker 2: nail here, so it's hard to I get that. You know,

616
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 2: he's he's going to do everything in his power to

617
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: to you know, to win this title and even if

618
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: it gets a little messy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Driver of the Day from the fans, but also

620
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Speaker 1: Drake of the Day on the internet. Saw this from

621
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Speaker 1: Nigel Pain on Twitter the Max verst step in driving school.

622
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: He doesn't like hitting the apexes. He just liked going

623
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Speaker 1: straight through the corner. Man, I didn't know that there

624
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: was ever gonna be a Drake meme in a Formula

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00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: One podcast. This This sport is getting huge, man, But

626
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Speaker 1: that is everything that matters. From the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix.

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Speaker 1: After the break, we're gonna check out the standings and

628
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Speaker 1: take a quick look ahead to this weekend. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to no breaks. We're gonna take a look at the standings.

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Speaker 1: Here you see the driver standings all knotted up at

631
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Speaker 1: top for the second time ever, the first time since

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four. I think we got a tie heading

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Speaker 1: into the final race of the season. Max Verstappen is

634
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Speaker 1: technically the leader since he has nine wins to Hamilton's

635
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Speaker 1: eight wins, but it's three sixty nine point five a

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Speaker 1: piece up top. I mentioned the wins thing, Graydon, because

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Speaker 1: as the stream team is mentioning here, if they both

638
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: don't finish uh the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, then for

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Speaker 1: Stappen is the champion. As for the Constructors' championship, this

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00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: one looks like it's probably over. Mercedes has a twenty

641
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: eight point lead over Red Bull after Sergio Perez didn't

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Speaker 1: finish in Saudi Arabia. We talked a little bit about

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Speaker 1: the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix last time. Here's a look

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Speaker 1: at the course now, Graydon, you were telling me there

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Speaker 1: are some new changes to this course. As I mentioned

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Speaker 1: it's a honey pot for overtaking moves that has been

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Speaker 1: dominated by Mercedes in the past. What kind of changes

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Speaker 1: that they made this year.

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Speaker 2: So it's interesting to say that because it's in previous

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Speaker 2: seasons it had been criticized for its lack of ability

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Speaker 2: for overtaking. This wasn't an exciting race, but that is

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Speaker 2: exactly to allow for more overtaking is exactly what they

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Speaker 2: have adjusted. So over here, what is turned five the

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Speaker 2: north hairpin was originally I believe turned seven. They've removed

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Speaker 2: a chickane that used to be at the entrance to it,

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Speaker 2: making it a much faster turn. What here is turned

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Speaker 2: nine down in the bottom left hand corner of this

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Speaker 2: was originally three different turns you kind of snaked through

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Speaker 2: quite slowly. Now it's a long, banking, very high speed turn.

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Speaker 2: And then turns twelve, thirteen and fourteen, which are the

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Speaker 2: hotel section. It's where they go under that like very

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Speaker 2: beautiful piece of modern architecture. Have they have expanded the

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Speaker 2: radiuses of all of them so as to make it

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Speaker 2: a much faster, smooth flowing section of the course. So

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Speaker 2: that's all something that is you know there. Hopefully that's

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Speaker 2: going to make for a much more exciting race. It's

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Speaker 2: going to really change, you know, the nature of the race,

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Speaker 2: and I think in ways that are likely to benefit Mercedes, you.

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Speaker 1: Think they're likely to benefit Mercedes. That's interesting because if

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Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, Hamilton has five wins at the Abu

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Speaker 1: Dhabi Grand Prix, though Verstappen one there last year.

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Speaker 2: About there, it's winning last year because it's such a

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Speaker 2: different context, right, It's like Mercedes had already won the title,

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Speaker 2: Hamilton had already locked up the championship. You know, they

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Speaker 2: didn't have as nearly as much to race for it. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: Red Bull was pushing, I believe for their first win

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Speaker 2: of the season. I think at the time right that

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Speaker 2: Max had so I think I believe so he was,

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Speaker 2: you know, they were really eager to get it. There

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Speaker 2: was just a lot to play for on the Red

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Speaker 2: Bull side. I just don't know. And again it being

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Speaker 2: a slower track that historically would benefit Red Bull, even

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Speaker 2: though Mercedes of course has been dominant for a lot

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Speaker 2: of years. So definitely something where I think that you

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Speaker 2: probably think advantage Mercedes going into this, But there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of tracks where you know, Verstappen has something like Coda.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people also thought would be

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Speaker 2: the Mercedes advantage, but he won here in the US,

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Speaker 2: they could certainly can't do it. I think I think

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Speaker 2: anything could happen out there.

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Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned anything could happen. What about some chikanery, Grayden,

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Speaker 1: We got a tie, but it could come down to

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Speaker 1: who has won the previous races. Do you think we'll

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Speaker 1: see any uh, outside of the bounds racing. I saw

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Speaker 1: some people mentioning the nineteen ninety seven season in reference to.

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Speaker 2: This, right, They're they're reverencing I think the collision between

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Speaker 2: Schumacher and Villeneuve, right, which is a famous incident, but

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Speaker 2: even before that, in a I forget the exact year,

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Speaker 2: but Ayrton Senna driving Alan Prost off the course, getting

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Speaker 2: both of their cars, or at least at Prost ending

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Speaker 2: the race, you know, ending his race, but then having

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Speaker 2: you know, in a different incident, you know, you know,

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Speaker 2: senegainst Dnaf. He ends up losing the title to Prost.

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Speaker 2: But basically the accusation of the time was that Senna said,

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Speaker 2: just as long as we both don't finish, I'm good.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to take you with me into the

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Speaker 2: wall kind of right in that it's I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: not unprecedented in the history of F one, So I

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Speaker 2: would be wrong to say there's no chance that Max

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Speaker 2: does this. There clearly is a chance I have done it.

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Speaker 2: I guys have done it. So I think it's is

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Speaker 2: it what I hope happens? No, of course not. I

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Speaker 2: hope they both stay out there and race hard and

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Speaker 2: race clean. You know, being elbows out and putting another

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Speaker 2: guy in the wall are two totally different things. You know.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to see it finished out, you know, out

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Speaker 2: on the track, see them both cross the finish line.

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Speaker 2: But certainly we'll all be thinking, what if that's what happens,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's it's it feels plausible.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, and if for some reason, uh, it all

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Speaker 1: goes standard and we're all seeing a clean race and

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Speaker 1: Hamilton pulls out the win and wins his record eighth championship,

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Speaker 1: this would be a tragic loss for Verstappen and for

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Speaker 1: Red Bull. Saw this tweet from Tom Bellingham, one of

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Speaker 1: the hosts of the Great Formula One podcast WTF one.

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Speaker 1: He tweeted, if Max he finishes P two to Lewis

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Speaker 1: and Abu Dhabi, who'll have scored the most podiums ever

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Speaker 1: in an F one season, then first or second in

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Speaker 1: every race he's finished, with the exclusion of the Manza

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Speaker 1: GP where he had some damage, and he will become

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Speaker 1: only the sixth driver in history to get nine wins

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Speaker 1: in a season and still wouldn't win the title. That's

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Speaker 1: almost hard to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's definitely a heartbreaker. They've been they

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Speaker 2: were dominant for so much of the year. It's only

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Speaker 2: this last little stretch that Mercedes has looked like it

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Speaker 2: has the faster car. There's a few early kind of confusing,

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Speaker 2: almost self inflicted wounds, you know, Certainly things like at

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Speaker 2: the time that felt like they didn't really matter all

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Speaker 2: that much, like his tire blowing up in Baku and

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Speaker 2: being unable to finish the race when he had a

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Speaker 2: huge win, suddenly now feel like they're the difference in

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Speaker 2: him winning or not winning a title. So there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of little and that's what they say. It's it's

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day. These titles are built

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Speaker 2: over the course of a season, and that's why every

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Speaker 2: race counts. I can assure you, no matter what happens,

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Speaker 2: both of them will show up next year with a

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Speaker 2: renewed energy from day one because they'll be reminded just

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Speaker 2: how important it is to score points every single week

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Speaker 2: and the maximum amount of points they'll be. There won't

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Speaker 2: be any weekends off next year, I can assure you

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Speaker 2: for both of these teams.

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Speaker 1: So that's next year. This season ends this weekend. Practice

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Speaker 1: starts early Friday morning, early early grade and qualifying though

756
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Speaker 1: is Saturday, eight pm Eastern. Then Sunday is race day

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Speaker 1: eight pm Eastern for all the marbles. We'll be back

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Speaker 1: here live on YouTube right after that race. We're guessing

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Speaker 1: around eleven thirty am Eastern. Can't wait, cannot wait for

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Speaker 2: It for me. I'll see you guys Sunday. I'm excited.

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