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Speaker 2: And we are back with the part two about the

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Speaker 2: Putting a timestamp here it is still December third. Because

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Speaker 2: the Union in Congress as an opportunity for them to

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Speaker 1: If you treated your coworker the same way Mace, Green

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Speaker 2: Right and from Dijazia. I don't feel betrayed by her.

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Speaker 2: It's brave to walk into the lions. Then, like she's doing.

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