1 00:00:10,217 --> 00:00:16,697 Speaker 1: Why is USAID destroying classified documents in some last act 2 00:00:16,937 --> 00:00:20,737 Speaker 1: of swamp hubris? What the heck is going on here? 3 00:00:20,817 --> 00:00:23,817 Speaker 1: Our friend Mike Benz joins us now. He is the 4 00:00:23,897 --> 00:00:29,457 Speaker 1: executor executive director of the Foundation for Freedom Online. Mike, 5 00:00:29,497 --> 00:00:31,657 Speaker 1: what's going on at USA? Well, there's a lot that's 6 00:00:31,657 --> 00:00:34,537 Speaker 1: going on USAID, not as much maybe these days as before. 7 00:00:34,977 --> 00:00:38,697 Speaker 1: But why would they be destroying classified documents in some 8 00:00:39,017 --> 00:00:40,097 Speaker 1: flurry at the end? 9 00:00:42,017 --> 00:00:44,457 Speaker 2: Well, it's a very strange series of events that popped off. 10 00:00:45,257 --> 00:00:47,937 Speaker 2: I initially described it as a five alarm fire because 11 00:00:47,977 --> 00:00:51,177 Speaker 2: it was a very unusual email that Erica Carr, the 12 00:00:51,217 --> 00:00:56,217 Speaker 2: Executive Secretary, sent out, which said that there was going 13 00:00:56,257 --> 00:01:00,617 Speaker 2: to be an all day group event yesterday to tread 14 00:01:00,817 --> 00:01:04,897 Speaker 2: and burn all the remaining documents in the classified safes 15 00:01:04,937 --> 00:01:09,057 Speaker 2: and the personnel records. Erica Carr is someone who joined 16 00:01:09,137 --> 00:01:14,217 Speaker 2: USAID during the Obama administration, was named the executive secretary 17 00:01:14,417 --> 00:01:16,897 Speaker 2: the first week of the Biden administration, and it's been 18 00:01:16,977 --> 00:01:22,057 Speaker 2: kept over by Trump. One after I amplified this issue, 19 00:01:22,097 --> 00:01:25,497 Speaker 2: a bunch of folks at USAID who I know and 20 00:01:25,577 --> 00:01:29,537 Speaker 2: trust called me and said, actually, this is normal practice. 21 00:01:29,857 --> 00:01:32,817 Speaker 2: This is where we at the politicals who remain here, 22 00:01:32,817 --> 00:01:35,337 Speaker 2: because remember they had fourteen thousand employees, it's found to 23 00:01:35,377 --> 00:01:38,977 Speaker 2: about two hundred and ninety and picked ones. They said 24 00:01:38,977 --> 00:01:43,097 Speaker 2: that this is a relatively standard practice, but the language 25 00:01:43,097 --> 00:01:46,457 Speaker 2: in the email was pretty extreme. It was to shred 26 00:01:46,577 --> 00:01:49,897 Speaker 2: all documents and to reserve the burn bags for when 27 00:01:49,897 --> 00:01:54,977 Speaker 2: the shredder gets overloaded or overheated, effectively that this was 28 00:01:55,017 --> 00:01:57,697 Speaker 2: a sort of fire sale. Now, it sort of makes 29 00:01:57,697 --> 00:02:00,537 Speaker 2: sense from the perspective that usaideas in the process of 30 00:02:00,577 --> 00:02:04,137 Speaker 2: shutting down, they're leaving the building at some point, these 31 00:02:04,177 --> 00:02:09,417 Speaker 2: documents need to be handled and the process has to 32 00:02:09,657 --> 00:02:14,017 Speaker 2: happen at some point for discarding paper records. But Mike, 33 00:02:14,137 --> 00:02:16,617 Speaker 2: I still have lingering concerns about the speed at which 34 00:02:16,697 --> 00:02:21,017 Speaker 2: this is being done. You know, it's not usual that 35 00:02:21,097 --> 00:02:24,857 Speaker 2: you have this kind of fire sale, you know, going 36 00:02:24,897 --> 00:02:28,817 Speaker 2: out of business event where you need to reserve the 37 00:02:28,857 --> 00:02:32,777 Speaker 2: burn bags for when the shredder is being used too heavily. 38 00:02:33,057 --> 00:02:36,497 Speaker 2: And it's part of the reassurance that was given to 39 00:02:36,537 --> 00:02:39,217 Speaker 2: me by people who are at the agency is that 40 00:02:40,577 --> 00:02:44,337 Speaker 2: there are digital duplicates of the vast majority of these 41 00:02:44,377 --> 00:02:47,777 Speaker 2: documents and that it's rare for USAID to be the 42 00:02:47,817 --> 00:02:52,137 Speaker 2: originating agency when it comes to classification. That is, USAID 43 00:02:52,377 --> 00:02:56,377 Speaker 2: primarily handles classified documents that come from the State Department 44 00:02:56,857 --> 00:03:01,017 Speaker 2: or the CIA or the Department of Defense. But very 45 00:03:01,097 --> 00:03:03,697 Speaker 2: rare is not very It's not very comforting to me 46 00:03:03,937 --> 00:03:08,297 Speaker 2: because Samantha Power was probably the most crooked USAID administrator 47 00:03:08,737 --> 00:03:11,937 Speaker 2: and USAID history, and that's saying a lot. You know, 48 00:03:12,057 --> 00:03:15,977 Speaker 2: John Bolton was handed the USAID hand Grenade Award when 49 00:03:15,977 --> 00:03:18,617 Speaker 2: he ran policy and budget there in the nineteen eighties, 50 00:03:18,977 --> 00:03:22,577 Speaker 2: but Samantha Power fully weaponized that agency. And to me, 51 00:03:22,617 --> 00:03:25,937 Speaker 2: it's highly possible that Samantha Power could have classified a 52 00:03:25,977 --> 00:03:30,497 Speaker 2: significant number of USAID documents, put them in these safes 53 00:03:30,497 --> 00:03:32,977 Speaker 2: and then simply you don't have duplicates at the other 54 00:03:33,057 --> 00:03:37,017 Speaker 2: agencies if they weren't shared around, and something like this 55 00:03:37,177 --> 00:03:41,057 Speaker 2: would be a way to legally dispose of those documents 56 00:03:41,337 --> 00:03:44,937 Speaker 2: they if a digital duplicate was not provided. And also 57 00:03:45,217 --> 00:03:48,817 Speaker 2: digital duplicates can have flaws. We saw this with the 58 00:03:48,897 --> 00:03:54,617 Speaker 2: FBI during Operation Crossfire Hurricane. They deleted the emails and 59 00:03:54,977 --> 00:03:58,577 Speaker 2: text messages off of the special agent phones once John 60 00:03:58,657 --> 00:04:02,337 Speaker 2: Durham launched his investigation. We saw this with the corrupted 61 00:04:02,377 --> 00:04:05,177 Speaker 2: files at the FBI over the J six pipe bomber. 62 00:04:05,737 --> 00:04:08,137 Speaker 2: It's quite possible that something like that could happen in 63 00:04:08,177 --> 00:04:09,897 Speaker 2: this case as well. This is sort of like the 64 00:04:10,057 --> 00:04:12,897 Speaker 2: electronic voting machine issue. If you don't have the paper records, 65 00:04:13,337 --> 00:04:16,377 Speaker 2: you don't necessarily have a faithful duplicate. Last thing is, 66 00:04:16,457 --> 00:04:19,297 Speaker 2: we saw this again with the Whitey Bulger case when 67 00:04:19,297 --> 00:04:22,697 Speaker 2: the FBI went to prosecute him and it turned out 68 00:04:22,737 --> 00:04:25,097 Speaker 2: that the digital file they produced in court was not 69 00:04:25,377 --> 00:04:30,377 Speaker 2: actually the full and correct document on Whitey Bulger that 70 00:04:30,457 --> 00:04:33,017 Speaker 2: was kept in the classified safes that the FBI. There 71 00:04:33,097 --> 00:04:36,017 Speaker 2: was a paper document that had a whole additional section 72 00:04:36,057 --> 00:04:39,497 Speaker 2: attached at the end that completely inverted the history that 73 00:04:39,577 --> 00:04:43,137 Speaker 2: was presented originally in court. So, given that there are 74 00:04:43,177 --> 00:04:46,817 Speaker 2: going to be no new USAD documents produced, I don't 75 00:04:46,897 --> 00:04:50,737 Speaker 2: understand why these can't be moved safely to the national 76 00:04:50,857 --> 00:04:53,497 Speaker 2: archives and why there needs to be this rush to 77 00:04:53,537 --> 00:04:54,177 Speaker 2: delete it all. 78 00:04:54,217 --> 00:04:57,257 Speaker 1: At the end, the fight for life is ongoing day 79 00:04:57,257 --> 00:04:59,497 Speaker 1: in and day out, and on the front lines of 80 00:04:59,537 --> 00:05:03,377 Speaker 1: it Preborn. 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What is the stuff that everybody 99 00:06:04,057 --> 00:06:08,297 Speaker 1: should remember about what USAID was really doing versus what 100 00:06:08,417 --> 00:06:10,057 Speaker 1: the public maybe thought it was doing. 101 00:06:11,137 --> 00:06:12,937 Speaker 2: Well, there are so many categories of it. With the 102 00:06:12,937 --> 00:06:16,697 Speaker 2: public thinks that it was doing was humanitarian assistance to 103 00:06:16,777 --> 00:06:20,417 Speaker 2: foreign countries and the people who are one level above 104 00:06:20,457 --> 00:06:23,977 Speaker 2: that in terms of knowledgeability, will appreciate that there's some 105 00:06:24,097 --> 00:06:27,657 Speaker 2: soft power role in that. For example, we supply humanitarian 106 00:06:27,657 --> 00:06:30,617 Speaker 2: assistance to foreign countries and in return we get influence 107 00:06:31,057 --> 00:06:34,337 Speaker 2: over the local governments or the local political movements, or 108 00:06:34,417 --> 00:06:38,057 Speaker 2: the local judges or the local indigenous communities. But in 109 00:06:38,097 --> 00:06:42,617 Speaker 2: fact there's really a USAID Truman show that where virtually 110 00:06:42,697 --> 00:06:46,897 Speaker 2: every function in modern society, whether that's the media, the 111 00:06:46,977 --> 00:06:53,817 Speaker 2: social media companies, whether that's the unions, whether that's politicians, judges, prosecutors, 112 00:06:54,377 --> 00:06:59,177 Speaker 2: and even terrorist groups and narco cartels drug cartels are 113 00:06:59,217 --> 00:07:02,977 Speaker 2: all on USAID payroll around the world and even here 114 00:07:03,097 --> 00:07:05,857 Speaker 2: at home, which is something that should never be allowed 115 00:07:05,897 --> 00:07:09,497 Speaker 2: to happen. There was this domestic foreign firewall that was 116 00:07:09,537 --> 00:07:15,017 Speaker 2: systematic breached by USAID, with USAID not only paying media 117 00:07:15,057 --> 00:07:19,977 Speaker 2: companies but also paying foundations that do a significant amount 118 00:07:19,977 --> 00:07:23,097 Speaker 2: of domestic work, and they're getting tens or sometimes hundreds 119 00:07:23,097 --> 00:07:26,257 Speaker 2: of millions of dollars from the USAID to be weaponized 120 00:07:26,257 --> 00:07:30,137 Speaker 2: against domestic opponents. But there are still many layers of 121 00:07:30,617 --> 00:07:35,177 Speaker 2: unexplored terrain here, given that USAID is effectively an intelligence 122 00:07:35,217 --> 00:07:38,337 Speaker 2: agency with no restrictions on it. See when the CIA 123 00:07:38,457 --> 00:07:40,857 Speaker 2: does a covert action, they have to get a presidential 124 00:07:40,937 --> 00:07:43,577 Speaker 2: finding for it, meaning there needs to be a written 125 00:07:43,617 --> 00:07:46,377 Speaker 2: sign off from the US President to do any act 126 00:07:46,417 --> 00:07:50,937 Speaker 2: of any covert action at the CIA, USAID does not 127 00:07:51,137 --> 00:07:53,497 Speaker 2: have to go through with that procedure, which means that 128 00:07:53,617 --> 00:07:57,937 Speaker 2: USAID is effectively the clearinghouse when there's a rogue element 129 00:07:58,057 --> 00:08:01,337 Speaker 2: at CIA or DoD or state who doesn't think the 130 00:08:01,377 --> 00:08:04,497 Speaker 2: President will approve, or if the President doesn't want to 131 00:08:04,497 --> 00:08:07,777 Speaker 2: be seen as approving, there's a layer of clause deniability 132 00:08:07,777 --> 00:08:10,977 Speaker 2: by simply calling it democracy promotion at US said, and 133 00:08:11,057 --> 00:08:14,217 Speaker 2: I think the terrorism aspect of this is really significant, 134 00:08:15,137 --> 00:08:17,777 Speaker 2: given that Syria is so much in the news these days. 135 00:08:18,177 --> 00:08:23,297 Speaker 2: You had a USA funded rebel, you know, terrorist rebel 136 00:08:23,337 --> 00:08:27,457 Speaker 2: faction effectively take control of the country. Mohammad al Jilani, 137 00:08:27,897 --> 00:08:31,617 Speaker 2: the leader of HTS, which overthrew that that government back 138 00:08:31,657 --> 00:08:34,577 Speaker 2: in back in December of last year, there was a 139 00:08:34,577 --> 00:08:37,817 Speaker 2: ten million dollar bounty out for his head under the 140 00:08:37,857 --> 00:08:42,057 Speaker 2: Trump One State Department. They then received financial assistance from 141 00:08:42,177 --> 00:08:46,777 Speaker 2: USAID and toppled the government of Syria. They're now the 142 00:08:46,977 --> 00:08:51,017 Speaker 2: de facto head of Syria going around executing thousands or 143 00:08:51,097 --> 00:08:54,937 Speaker 2: tens of thousands of ethnic minority groups in the country. 144 00:08:55,657 --> 00:08:58,337 Speaker 2: It's going to cause huge schisms throughout the Middle East 145 00:08:58,337 --> 00:09:02,857 Speaker 2: as that situation develops. And USAID has its fingerprints all 146 00:09:02,897 --> 00:09:05,137 Speaker 2: over those terrorist groups, just as they have it all 147 00:09:05,137 --> 00:09:07,537 Speaker 2: over the Taliban, just as they have it all over 148 00:09:07,617 --> 00:09:11,057 Speaker 2: terrorist groups in Africa, in the set Hell region, as 149 00:09:11,097 --> 00:09:14,337 Speaker 2: well as in Central Asia and in Pakistan and particularly 150 00:09:14,577 --> 00:09:15,857 Speaker 2: in the Western Hemisphere. 151 00:09:16,097 --> 00:09:18,537 Speaker 1: Well, when you say, when you say fingerprints on those groups, 152 00:09:18,337 --> 00:09:22,137 Speaker 1: so do we know that there was USAID money, meaning 153 00:09:22,177 --> 00:09:25,537 Speaker 1: our money, but through the PRISM or the cutout of 154 00:09:25,617 --> 00:09:27,737 Speaker 1: USAID going directly to those groups. 155 00:09:28,377 --> 00:09:33,257 Speaker 2: Yes, this is actually testified by USAID administrator Folks in 156 00:09:33,337 --> 00:09:38,617 Speaker 2: Congress just three weeks ago. There's a Middle East Monitor 157 00:09:38,817 --> 00:09:42,897 Speaker 2: and other reporting outlets have also disclosed hundreds of millions 158 00:09:42,897 --> 00:09:45,177 Speaker 2: of dollars. I believe it's in the billions of dollars. 159 00:09:45,697 --> 00:09:50,017 Speaker 2: Because if the CIA wants to support those those groups, 160 00:09:50,337 --> 00:09:55,057 Speaker 2: isis al Qaeda, the alnoose for front all these designated 161 00:09:55,137 --> 00:09:57,697 Speaker 2: terrorist groups, and the President doesn't want to do it, 162 00:09:58,177 --> 00:10:00,777 Speaker 2: then they can go. They can simply launder it through 163 00:10:00,857 --> 00:10:04,737 Speaker 2: USAID and it'll take the form of logistical funds or 164 00:10:05,337 --> 00:10:08,937 Speaker 2: shelter and housing or public health, and all these things 165 00:10:08,977 --> 00:10:10,017 Speaker 2: get laundered through USA. 166 00:10:10,457 --> 00:10:14,697 Speaker 1: So that's an end run on material support to terrorism concerns, right, basically, 167 00:10:14,737 --> 00:10:15,497 Speaker 1: that's what that means. 168 00:10:15,857 --> 00:10:20,177 Speaker 2: In in fact, USAID, the Inspector General report from a month 169 00:10:20,177 --> 00:10:23,217 Speaker 2: ago even showed how there was a fatal flaw in 170 00:10:23,257 --> 00:10:28,217 Speaker 2: the contracting system at USAID where grantees. If you're getting 171 00:10:28,257 --> 00:10:31,457 Speaker 2: a grant from USAID, you need to go through with 172 00:10:31,537 --> 00:10:35,257 Speaker 2: the standard O fact reporting this sort of anti terrorism 173 00:10:35,377 --> 00:10:39,697 Speaker 2: financing set of laws, but contractors are not subject to that. 174 00:10:40,257 --> 00:10:44,257 Speaker 2: So effectively, contractors can be used to completely end run 175 00:10:44,337 --> 00:10:48,057 Speaker 2: the sort of money laundering obligations that banks are subject to, 176 00:10:48,537 --> 00:10:51,337 Speaker 2: that anyone who uses the International Swift system is subject to. 177 00:10:51,897 --> 00:10:54,297 Speaker 2: And so all this is done to prop up these 178 00:10:54,377 --> 00:11:00,017 Speaker 2: paramilitary terrorist proxy groups who as Hillary Clinton said to 179 00:11:00,097 --> 00:11:04,497 Speaker 2: Jake Sullivan in the Wikileague's email from twenty eleven, when 180 00:11:04,537 --> 00:11:06,817 Speaker 2: they said al Qaeda is on our side in Syria, 181 00:11:07,417 --> 00:11:10,377 Speaker 2: and now an al Qaeda offshoot now runs the government 182 00:11:10,417 --> 00:11:13,417 Speaker 2: of Syria, and you see USAID giving them something like 183 00:11:13,457 --> 00:11:16,737 Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty two million dollars in financing. 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That's Disruption twenty twenty 204 00:12:14,017 --> 00:12:17,497 Speaker 1: five dot com, paid for by Paradigm Press. What do 205 00:12:17,577 --> 00:12:21,217 Speaker 1: you think is going to be the next nasty log 206 00:12:21,537 --> 00:12:25,097 Speaker 1: that Trump and Doge kick over to see what's underneath it. 207 00:12:25,697 --> 00:12:28,417 Speaker 1: Within the government apparatus. 208 00:12:28,897 --> 00:12:31,017 Speaker 2: Well, there's a few. I'll tell you a couple off 209 00:12:31,017 --> 00:12:33,137 Speaker 2: the top that I'd like to see immediately. One of 210 00:12:33,177 --> 00:12:39,337 Speaker 2: them is a review of all the USAID State Department, Pentagon, 211 00:12:39,977 --> 00:12:43,097 Speaker 2: National Down for Democracy, and Department of Labor funds that 212 00:12:43,177 --> 00:12:46,657 Speaker 2: are given to unions. This is a really nasty element 213 00:12:46,937 --> 00:12:50,977 Speaker 2: of rent a riot behavior that has been a part 214 00:12:51,017 --> 00:12:55,177 Speaker 2: of the CI toolkit for now fifty some years. When 215 00:12:55,217 --> 00:12:57,537 Speaker 2: we switch to a small wars model at the Pentagon, 216 00:12:57,777 --> 00:13:01,537 Speaker 2: we transition from primarily using tanks and fighter jets to 217 00:13:01,697 --> 00:13:05,657 Speaker 2: using street movements, the so called color revolutions or people 218 00:13:05,737 --> 00:13:10,577 Speaker 2: powered revolutions, and unions play the major role in the 219 00:13:10,777 --> 00:13:13,457 Speaker 2: muscle on the ground when it comes to surrounding the 220 00:13:13,537 --> 00:13:18,217 Speaker 2: Parliament building and violently ousting a president from office, as 221 00:13:18,337 --> 00:13:21,617 Speaker 2: was done in the twenty fourteen my Don Ku in Ukraine, 222 00:13:22,137 --> 00:13:25,537 Speaker 2: as was done by the Biden administration to the government 223 00:13:25,577 --> 00:13:29,217 Speaker 2: of Bangladesh at the end of last year, as was 224 00:13:30,737 --> 00:13:33,217 Speaker 2: planned to be done if Trump won the twenty twenty 225 00:13:33,297 --> 00:13:36,257 Speaker 2: election by a group called the Transition Integrity Project run 226 00:13:36,337 --> 00:13:39,977 Speaker 2: by senior military and intelligence officials here in the US 227 00:13:40,217 --> 00:13:42,617 Speaker 2: and the unions played the dominant role in that. In 228 00:13:42,697 --> 00:13:46,377 Speaker 2: particularly the AFLCIO, which is the largest union here in 229 00:13:46,417 --> 00:13:49,497 Speaker 2: the US, used to be known as the afl CIA 230 00:13:50,737 --> 00:13:53,897 Speaker 2: by the New Left in the nineteen sixties and seventies 231 00:13:54,017 --> 00:13:58,817 Speaker 2: because the revealed pattern of partnerships with the CIA's international 232 00:13:59,697 --> 00:14:04,097 Speaker 2: the aflcio's international branch. It does something like seventy five 233 00:14:04,457 --> 00:14:07,617 Speaker 2: international branches and countries around the world, and was a 234 00:14:07,697 --> 00:14:10,377 Speaker 2: constant partner of the CIA when they were from venting 235 00:14:10,657 --> 00:14:15,177 Speaker 2: street revolution protests abroad and would come to be weaponized 236 00:14:15,177 --> 00:14:19,257 Speaker 2: against the anti Vietnam War Left in the nineteen seventies. 237 00:14:19,297 --> 00:14:22,857 Speaker 2: They play a major role in statecraft today. The AFLCIO 238 00:14:23,297 --> 00:14:26,297 Speaker 2: headquarters has basically parked just a few blocks from the 239 00:14:26,337 --> 00:14:29,297 Speaker 2: White House. They had an agreement with the Chamber of 240 00:14:29,417 --> 00:14:31,897 Speaker 2: Commerce to shut down the country of Trump won the 241 00:14:31,937 --> 00:14:35,257 Speaker 2: Electoral College back in twenty twenty. They received tens of 242 00:14:35,337 --> 00:14:39,217 Speaker 2: millions of dollars from the National Dowment for Democracy's Solidarity 243 00:14:39,297 --> 00:14:43,817 Speaker 2: Center and from the Department of Labour's Bureau of International Affairs. 244 00:14:43,937 --> 00:14:47,977 Speaker 2: We saw this, for example in Brazil. There's this lurking 245 00:14:48,057 --> 00:14:51,497 Speaker 2: issue around internet censorship, with all these different countries balkanizing 246 00:14:51,537 --> 00:14:55,057 Speaker 2: their Internet to block X. We saw Brazil ban X. 247 00:14:55,417 --> 00:14:58,777 Speaker 2: We see the European Union pursuing these well, the unions 248 00:14:58,857 --> 00:15:03,417 Speaker 2: all backed Lula in Brazil. Lula was from the Workers 249 00:15:03,537 --> 00:15:07,217 Speaker 2: Party and unions were as primary backers. And I've personally 250 00:15:07,297 --> 00:15:11,497 Speaker 2: found tens of millions of dollars flowing directly from the 251 00:15:11,937 --> 00:15:16,097 Speaker 2: Biden Department of Labor to these very union groups in 252 00:15:16,297 --> 00:15:19,737 Speaker 2: Brazil backing Lula. Now that's just in Brazil, and I 253 00:15:19,817 --> 00:15:22,857 Speaker 2: think I've so far found around thirty million dollars just 254 00:15:22,937 --> 00:15:26,337 Speaker 2: from the Department of Labor. Now, the afl CIO is 255 00:15:26,457 --> 00:15:29,297 Speaker 2: also at war with Elon Musk and Tesla because of 256 00:15:29,497 --> 00:15:34,177 Speaker 2: the refusal of Elon to unionize the Tesla workforce. I 257 00:15:34,297 --> 00:15:36,897 Speaker 2: have no doubt that the afl CIO has a hand 258 00:15:37,017 --> 00:15:42,017 Speaker 2: in these protests against against the Tesla car dealerships, and 259 00:15:42,417 --> 00:15:45,737 Speaker 2: that's being coordinated by these groups like Indivisible and move 260 00:15:45,857 --> 00:15:49,137 Speaker 2: On and these reed Hoffin funded groups that all have deep, 261 00:15:49,217 --> 00:15:52,817 Speaker 2: deep connections to the unions. And frankly, if it's I 262 00:15:52,897 --> 00:15:55,857 Speaker 2: have no problem. I'm not pro or anti union, but 263 00:15:56,057 --> 00:15:59,977 Speaker 2: when you're subsidized by US taxpayer dollars and we're paying 264 00:16:00,137 --> 00:16:03,417 Speaker 2: to be protested against that's a horse of a different color. 265 00:16:03,457 --> 00:16:06,217 Speaker 2: And I think there's a major scandal there just waiting 266 00:16:06,617 --> 00:16:08,977 Speaker 2: beneath the surface to be unbound. 267 00:16:09,337 --> 00:16:12,097 Speaker 1: What do you think happen now that it seems about 268 00:16:13,017 --> 00:16:15,177 Speaker 1: I don't know. Thirty forty percent of the Department of 269 00:16:15,297 --> 00:16:20,257 Speaker 1: Education's workforce has been told pack up your stuff. How 270 00:16:20,257 --> 00:16:21,017 Speaker 1: does this play out? 271 00:16:22,537 --> 00:16:25,417 Speaker 2: I think it's fascinating. I mean, the role of the 272 00:16:25,497 --> 00:16:30,737 Speaker 2: Department of Education, I think has largely been pernicious one. 273 00:16:31,057 --> 00:16:33,937 Speaker 2: We have not advanced up the PISA score scale. We 274 00:16:34,017 --> 00:16:39,017 Speaker 2: have not advanced since the Department of Education's creation. I 275 00:16:39,057 --> 00:16:42,177 Speaker 2: think US education has only fallen farther and farther behind 276 00:16:42,777 --> 00:16:46,137 Speaker 2: other countries once with far less GDP and a far 277 00:16:46,257 --> 00:16:48,937 Speaker 2: lower standard of living. I'm not convinced that there's a 278 00:16:48,977 --> 00:16:53,817 Speaker 2: correlation between more Department of Education activity or funding and 279 00:16:53,937 --> 00:16:56,817 Speaker 2: higher education in the US. But what you do see 280 00:16:56,897 --> 00:16:59,337 Speaker 2: is a very corrupt nexus between the universities and their 281 00:16:59,377 --> 00:17:02,977 Speaker 2: government funding, whether that's from the Department of Education or 282 00:17:03,057 --> 00:17:09,257 Speaker 2: whether that's from USAID or DHARPA or NIH. The government 283 00:17:09,457 --> 00:17:12,697 Speaker 2: is there is no free market in the education system, 284 00:17:12,737 --> 00:17:16,257 Speaker 2: which makes it very difficult for new entrants with better 285 00:17:16,377 --> 00:17:20,377 Speaker 2: ideas or more innovative educational techniques to be able to 286 00:17:20,417 --> 00:17:23,977 Speaker 2: make inroads into the market because you can't compete against 287 00:17:24,017 --> 00:17:29,497 Speaker 2: these massive endowments and the effectively the government cartel over education. 288 00:17:29,817 --> 00:17:34,537 Speaker 2: And so I think breaking that cartel is an important 289 00:17:34,577 --> 00:17:38,217 Speaker 2: component in creating a genuine free market in the education space. 290 00:17:38,697 --> 00:17:41,497 Speaker 2: We saw, for example, and I've reported some of this 291 00:17:41,657 --> 00:17:45,097 Speaker 2: recently because we see this major issue popping off right 292 00:17:45,217 --> 00:17:49,937 Speaker 2: now with Columbia and these other major universities. Well, Columbia 293 00:17:50,577 --> 00:17:53,257 Speaker 2: is a you know, there's a funny story around that. 294 00:17:53,857 --> 00:17:57,297 Speaker 2: They're the group that administers the Pulitzer Prize, the same 295 00:17:57,377 --> 00:18:01,937 Speaker 2: Politzer Prize awarded to the Russiagate fraudsters in twenty seventeen. 296 00:18:01,977 --> 00:18:05,977 Speaker 2: They were given a Pulitzer for essentially fraudulent work. The 297 00:18:06,217 --> 00:18:10,297 Speaker 2: Pulitzer was awarded to Reuters in twenty twenty four, who 298 00:18:10,337 --> 00:18:14,417 Speaker 2: got three hundred million dollars in government contracts and grants 299 00:18:14,537 --> 00:18:17,657 Speaker 2: during the Biden administration. Three hundred million dollars, It's just 300 00:18:17,737 --> 00:18:22,097 Speaker 2: a huge amount. And the Pulitzer was given to them 301 00:18:22,137 --> 00:18:24,617 Speaker 2: for their write up on misconduct at all of Elon 302 00:18:24,697 --> 00:18:29,857 Speaker 2: Musks Companies X Neuralink SpaceX Tesla. It was basically just 303 00:18:30,017 --> 00:18:33,977 Speaker 2: a hit piece on Elon Musk and everything he does. 304 00:18:34,097 --> 00:18:39,137 Speaker 2: And that's Columbia effectively through the Pulitzer Foundation awarded that 305 00:18:39,297 --> 00:18:43,577 Speaker 2: prize to Columbia also is deeply in bed with the Blob, 306 00:18:43,737 --> 00:18:48,377 Speaker 2: the foreign policy establishment for all this USAID work, sovietology, 307 00:18:48,537 --> 00:18:54,937 Speaker 2: the Russian studies and area studies, African studies, Asian studies, 308 00:18:56,257 --> 00:19:00,657 Speaker 2: Latin American studies, all these common majors at universities really 309 00:19:00,777 --> 00:19:04,257 Speaker 2: came from Columbia back in the nineteen fifties when the 310 00:19:04,417 --> 00:19:08,337 Speaker 2: architect of this set up, this guy Philip Mosley, who 311 00:19:08,537 --> 00:19:12,217 Speaker 2: worked closely with the CIA. He was previously was a 312 00:19:12,377 --> 00:19:15,337 Speaker 2: high ranking State Department official before he came to Columbia 313 00:19:15,337 --> 00:19:18,457 Speaker 2: and set up this nexus and basically joined these area 314 00:19:18,537 --> 00:19:22,257 Speaker 2: studies groups at the universities with the CIA and the 315 00:19:22,337 --> 00:19:26,097 Speaker 2: State Department in the Defense Department by having the major 316 00:19:26,217 --> 00:19:31,337 Speaker 2: university centers, institutes and departments serve as an interlocutor role 317 00:19:31,497 --> 00:19:35,457 Speaker 2: for statecraft, so they would bring over Russian emigres, they 318 00:19:35,497 --> 00:19:38,777 Speaker 2: would gather intelligence in foreign countries, they do the exchange 319 00:19:38,857 --> 00:19:42,217 Speaker 2: programs and seed people over there, all while coordinating with 320 00:19:42,297 --> 00:19:44,737 Speaker 2: the CIA on all of that. Philip Mosley at a 321 00:19:45,137 --> 00:19:49,297 Speaker 2: CI security clearance he personally consulted Allan Dulles, the head 322 00:19:49,337 --> 00:19:51,497 Speaker 2: of the CIA at the time. You now see this 323 00:19:51,617 --> 00:19:55,857 Speaker 2: in basically every major university, and the endowments make bank 324 00:19:56,057 --> 00:19:59,097 Speaker 2: off of all of this. There's a really sick example 325 00:19:59,137 --> 00:20:03,617 Speaker 2: from the nineteen nineties when the Harvard Endowment was together 326 00:20:03,737 --> 00:20:06,977 Speaker 2: with the George Soros Investment Fund, I think it was 327 00:20:07,017 --> 00:20:11,777 Speaker 2: the Quantum Fund. We're given special access to the selloff 328 00:20:11,857 --> 00:20:15,377 Speaker 2: of the Russian state assets when they transitioned from communism 329 00:20:15,457 --> 00:20:18,697 Speaker 2: to capitalism. In the nineteen nineties, Harvard set up something 330 00:20:18,737 --> 00:20:22,297 Speaker 2: called the Harvard Institute for International Development, which was given 331 00:20:22,337 --> 00:20:25,257 Speaker 2: about half a billion dollars by the US Agency for 332 00:20:25,337 --> 00:20:31,257 Speaker 2: International Development USAID to be the primary, effectively USAID contractor 333 00:20:31,697 --> 00:20:34,897 Speaker 2: to privatize those state assets. And then the endowment fund 334 00:20:34,937 --> 00:20:39,857 Speaker 2: of the university got first pick at all those privatized assets. 335 00:20:40,177 --> 00:20:43,497 Speaker 2: And so if Harvard was able to secure hundreds of 336 00:20:43,577 --> 00:20:47,217 Speaker 2: millions or low billions of dollars for their endowment through 337 00:20:47,257 --> 00:20:51,097 Speaker 2: that process, I wonder is Columbia doing the same thing. 338 00:20:51,337 --> 00:20:54,377 Speaker 2: Is the University of Pennsylvania which housed the Penn Biden Center, 339 00:20:54,737 --> 00:20:57,497 Speaker 2: and Amy Gutman, who was the head of it when 340 00:20:57,537 --> 00:20:59,537 Speaker 2: I was there, back in the early two thousands and 341 00:20:59,617 --> 00:21:03,177 Speaker 2: became Joe Biden's ambassador to Germany during the time we 342 00:21:03,297 --> 00:21:05,857 Speaker 2: blew up the nord Stream pipeline. Is the University of 343 00:21:05,897 --> 00:21:08,737 Speaker 2: Pennsylvania endowment in on that gig. There needs to be 344 00:21:08,817 --> 00:21:11,337 Speaker 2: a full review not just of the Department of Education 345 00:21:12,737 --> 00:21:16,057 Speaker 2: funding or USAID funding, but really the role of these 346 00:21:16,217 --> 00:21:19,617 Speaker 2: endowments and being hitched to the star of the blob 347 00:21:20,177 --> 00:21:24,017 Speaker 2: and profiting themselves, pocketing it for themselves. It's doesn't trickle 348 00:21:24,097 --> 00:21:27,657 Speaker 2: down to the students in terms of diminished tuition. These 349 00:21:27,737 --> 00:21:31,817 Speaker 2: are powerhouse businesses, not really five oh one c threes. 350 00:21:31,897 --> 00:21:35,097 Speaker 2: They have fifty billion dollars in the Harvard Endowment, and 351 00:21:35,177 --> 00:21:37,617 Speaker 2: I think much of that is ill gotten gains from 352 00:21:37,697 --> 00:21:41,177 Speaker 2: partnerships with the CIA, the State Department, the Defense Department, 353 00:21:41,457 --> 00:21:45,017 Speaker 2: and as Trump World is reorganizing this entire structure, I 354 00:21:45,057 --> 00:21:46,537 Speaker 2: think that needs to be looked at closely. 355 00:21:47,697 --> 00:21:50,457 Speaker 1: Mike Ben's fascinating stuff. Let's have you back again soon 356 00:21:50,537 --> 00:21:53,577 Speaker 1: because we're a time for now. But the Foundation for 357 00:21:53,657 --> 00:21:56,297 Speaker 1: Freedom Online is your organization. People should go check out 358 00:21:56,337 --> 00:21:59,297 Speaker 1: what you're doing and really interesting. Please come back and 359 00:21:59,377 --> 00:22:02,017 Speaker 1: we'll talk to you more about all the dismantling of 360 00:22:02,057 --> 00:22:03,777 Speaker 1: the deep state that's going on. People need to know 361 00:22:03,817 --> 00:22:04,137 Speaker 1: about this. 362 00:22:05,057 --> 00:22:10,257 Speaker 2: Thank you, Buck M.