WEBVTT - Mallory McMorrow Wants Your Vote 

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<v Speaker 1>This is Alec Baldwin, and you're listening to Here's the

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<v Speaker 1>Thing from iHeart Radio. My guest today is a state

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<v Speaker 1>senator representing Michigan's eighth district and is a candidate for

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<v Speaker 1>the United States Senate in twenty twenty six. Mallory mcmurrow

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<v Speaker 1>currently serves as the Michigan Senate majority whip and as

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<v Speaker 1>the first woman in history to hold that position. Perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>best known for her viral twenty twenty two Senate speech,

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<v Speaker 1>mcmurrow has accomplished a great deal in her short tenure

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<v Speaker 1>in office.

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<v Speaker 2>People who are different are not the reason that our

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<v Speaker 2>roads are in bad shape after decades of disinvestment, or

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<v Speaker 2>that healthcare costs are too high, or that teachers are

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<v Speaker 2>leaving the profession. I want every child in this state

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<v Speaker 2>to feel seen, heard, and supported, not marginalized and targeted

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<v Speaker 2>because they are not straight, white and Christian.

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<v Speaker 1>Most notably, she has worked to strengthen Michigan unions and

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<v Speaker 1>raise wages. She eliminated the retirement tax on seniors, we

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<v Speaker 1>peeled the state's abortion ban, expanded free community college, and

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<v Speaker 1>secured investments for public transit and public schools. With all

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<v Speaker 1>of this under her belt, as a state senator. I

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<v Speaker 1>was curious what McMurrough thinks Michigan voters expect of her

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<v Speaker 1>when they return to the polls in twenty twenty six

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<v Speaker 1>to cast their ballots for United States Senator.

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<v Speaker 2>Voters are voting for sanity, and they are voting for

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<v Speaker 2>somebody who cares and who lives what they live. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a mom of a four year old. I am concerned

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<v Speaker 2>about her future and making sure that she has everything

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<v Speaker 2>she needs, that her water is clean, that her schools

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<v Speaker 2>are well funded, and pretty basic basic stuff. Just sanity

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<v Speaker 2>and decency.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, There's so many things that are common sense that

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<v Speaker 1>we're missing right now that are just to protect water.

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<v Speaker 1>People think of the environmentalism that is a hallmark of

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<v Speaker 1>this country since the seventies. We might not have the

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<v Speaker 1>enforcement we want, but we have the laws on the books.

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<v Speaker 1>They think that that's radical. You know, do you do

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<v Speaker 1>you agree? I mean, I know you're from Michigan.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not radical to want clean air and clean water.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean watching this administration is going to roll back

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<v Speaker 2>regulations on asbestos. These are, to your point, common sense,

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<v Speaker 2>basic things so that we can live longer, so we

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<v Speaker 2>can enjoy our families longer. It shouldn't be controversial at all.

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<v Speaker 1>You're from Michigan and I've worked with a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>groups about Flint related water issues and worked on documentaries

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<v Speaker 1>about Flint and what happened there, which was just so

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<v Speaker 1>mind blowing because there were people guilty on both sides

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<v Speaker 1>of the aisle. Democrats and Republicans are responsible for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that still an important issue in that community there?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know? Do they still struggle with water issues there?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I was in Flint yesterday. We just kicked off

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<v Speaker 2>a statewide brewery tour, so we're meeting people and breweries

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<v Speaker 2>all across the state. And as you can imagine, clean

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<v Speaker 2>water is important for making good beer too, But it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be an entire generation that really struggles. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>very good friends with doctor Mona Hanna, who was the

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<v Speaker 2>Flint whistleblower. She was the pediatrician who started seeing how

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<v Speaker 2>unhealthy kids were in Flint and started raising red flags.

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<v Speaker 2>And even if the water is clean now, because we

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<v Speaker 2>have accelerated making sure that all of the lines are replaced,

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<v Speaker 2>that when you turn on the tap there's clean water

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<v Speaker 2>coming out, you can't reverse the damage that has been

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<v Speaker 2>done to kids' health, but also community trust is broken

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<v Speaker 2>and that is going to take many, many years to

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<v Speaker 2>get back.

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<v Speaker 1>You were born in New Jersey, it was, and how

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<v Speaker 1>did the Michigan get into your life? How did that happen?

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<v Speaker 2>So? I was born and raised in rural New Jersey,

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<v Speaker 2>Central Jersey. I don't know what exit, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>terrible joke that I hate anytime anybody asks. I was

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<v Speaker 2>there until I went to college, and then I went

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<v Speaker 2>to the University of Notre Dame in Indiana, which is

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<v Speaker 2>about ten minutes from the Michigan border. But I've lived

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<v Speaker 2>all over the country. So I lived in New Jersey, Indiana,

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<v Speaker 2>Southern California, New York, southern California, and then Michigan's.

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<v Speaker 1>Your dad military or something?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I just I'm a millennial. I couldn't get a

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<v Speaker 2>job after graduating into the recession. My husband is a

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<v Speaker 2>born and raised Michigander. But what brought us back to

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<v Speaker 2>Michigan was friends of mine started a road rally around Michigan.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a guy who worked for Google and another

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<v Speaker 2>guy who started a website called Texts from Last Night

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<v Speaker 2>that was a big thing in the early oughts, and

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<v Speaker 2>they just had this idea of what if we invited

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<v Speaker 2>thirty creative professionals from all across the country to Michigan,

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<v Speaker 2>picked up a bunch of cars in Detroit, drove a

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<v Speaker 2>thousand miles around the state a different route every year,

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<v Speaker 2>brought an up and coming chef with us, and just

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<v Speaker 2>showed it off. And that was my vacation every year

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<v Speaker 2>for five years. And I fell in love with Michigan

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<v Speaker 2>more than any other place I've ever lived, and I

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<v Speaker 2>chose to move us back. My husband actually didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to come. He didn't want to be closer. No, I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to come home, my.

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<v Speaker 1>Mad your husband want to live. Let's just get that

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<v Speaker 1>on the record. Where did he want to go?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we were building a life between New York

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<v Speaker 2>and southern California. He was the editor in chief of

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<v Speaker 2>Jelopnik for seven years and then basically the publisher at

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<v Speaker 2>Gawker Media. I was the creative director for Gawker Media

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<v Speaker 2>at one point in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>You were with them for how long?

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<v Speaker 2>Just one year? And I swear it took ten years

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<v Speaker 2>off of my life, right, But you.

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<v Speaker 1>Would know you've had a very varied You graduated from

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<v Speaker 1>Notre Dame with a degree in what kind of engineering?

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<v Speaker 2>Industrial design? So I was the mix of art and engineering.

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<v Speaker 1>You worked on the hot Wheels cars?

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<v Speaker 2>I sure did, Yes, I did.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you believe that? I can't believe that?

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<v Speaker 2>I was a senior designer over global branding and licensing

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<v Speaker 2>for hot Wheels. So there is a hot Wheels car

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<v Speaker 2>that has my name on it, and that is my

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<v Speaker 2>crowning achievement.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to get a big model that in your

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<v Speaker 1>office in Washington. Oh yeah, Now back to politics here.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when I was younger, everybody wanted to go

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<v Speaker 1>to Washington. Rather they thought about that. I went to

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<v Speaker 1>gw everybody was political. And then as I got older,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, I mean, you know, the Congress is so dysfunctional,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so painful, it's so not even unproductive, it's counterproductive.

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<v Speaker 1>You go down there and you're in the Senate, presumably

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<v Speaker 1>you win. What's the three things you really want to

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<v Speaker 1>try to get done?

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<v Speaker 2>Initially, I mean so many things. So if I get elected.

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<v Speaker 2>When I get elected, I would be one of the

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<v Speaker 2>only moms of a young child in the Senate. So

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about how many missed opportunities there have been for

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<v Speaker 2>working parents. We need universal paid leave in this country.

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<v Speaker 2>We need access to universal childcare and clean water. That's

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<v Speaker 2>my third thing for Michigan.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to and you're going to go down There

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<v Speaker 1>was a mom and what's the legislative agenda you see

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<v Speaker 1>is important for you in terms.

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<v Speaker 2>Of motherhood basic things. I just want to pose this.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you have seven kids, but for most working parents,

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<v Speaker 2>the average work day ends at five, but the school

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<v Speaker 2>day and it too. And there are so many people

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<v Speaker 2>who can't participate in the economy just because we haven't

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<v Speaker 2>built an economy for parents. And then you've got people

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<v Speaker 2>like Elon Musk out there trying to I guess buy

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<v Speaker 2>as many pregnancies as you possibly can, but you wonder

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<v Speaker 2>about why is there a declining birth rate and why

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<v Speaker 2>aren't millennials starting families. And when I talk to people

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<v Speaker 2>in my generation, what I hear is overwhelmingly I've done

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<v Speaker 2>everything right and I'm still getting screwed. I went to college,

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<v Speaker 2>I tried to get a job. I can't afford to

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<v Speaker 2>buy a house, I can't afford to start a family.

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<v Speaker 2>None of it adds up. So thinking about even small

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<v Speaker 2>things about productivity gains have increased significantly over the last

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<v Speaker 2>few decades. Why are we still holding on to very traditional,

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<v Speaker 2>outdated ways of working. And then how do we make

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<v Speaker 2>sure we have universal paid leave, How do we make

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<v Speaker 2>sure we have universal childcare in a way that every

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<v Speaker 2>other developed nation in the world has except the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say you want, you're all going to head down

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<v Speaker 1>there and live down there together.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's only an our flight between Michigan and DC,

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<v Speaker 2>which is nice. I know that. You know, of the

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<v Speaker 2>few parents in the Senate, Chris Murphy has kids, Andy

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<v Speaker 2>Kim has kids, they do it different ways. My daughter

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<v Speaker 2>so far, she she loves being on a plane a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of times.

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<v Speaker 1>But my husband on Delta, they've got great cookies.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh of course Detroita's Delta hubs, so she's got to

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<v Speaker 2>get the cookies. But no, my husband was working out

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<v Speaker 2>of state for about a year and a half, so

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<v Speaker 2>in a way she got used to already having a

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<v Speaker 2>routine where one of us is home, one of us

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<v Speaker 2>is not. We trade off and on, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>weekends and days off. That's time that she really loves

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<v Speaker 2>with us. So we are I think, uniquely prepared for this,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll do whatever's best for her. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the most important thing. Where is she going to have

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<v Speaker 2>the best opportunity, where is she going to be happiest.

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<v Speaker 2>And she's building a great life here at home. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's a quick flight.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you do a lot of flying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Carl Levin, the great Carl Levin was office for six terms,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe thirty six years. I was a huge admirer

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<v Speaker 1>of his. Describe to me the ramp up to this election.

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<v Speaker 1>Now for you, you were doing what before you ran

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<v Speaker 1>for office.

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<v Speaker 2>So I am a state senator. This is my second term.

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<v Speaker 2>We have term limits in Michigan. I would be eligible

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<v Speaker 2>for one.

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<v Speaker 1>More, so you will have served eight years when you were.

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<v Speaker 2>Done eight years. Yeah, I'm in my seventh year. Carl Levin,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, is a great example. He's somebody who went

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<v Speaker 2>from Detroit City Council to the United States Senate. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>there's something really incredible about bringing that local knowledge to

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<v Speaker 2>Washington in a way where you're not compromised by all

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<v Speaker 2>of the kind of pushes and pulls of DC. You're

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<v Speaker 2>not trapped in DC for a long time. You are

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<v Speaker 2>deeply connected to the roots back home. I am currently

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<v Speaker 2>a state Senator. I ran for office for the first

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<v Speaker 2>time in twenty eighteen. I googled how to run for

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<v Speaker 2>office after the twenty sixteen election, and I came into

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<v Speaker 2>the minority. The Senate here in Michigan and had been

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<v Speaker 2>controlled by Republicans since nineteen eighty four, and I languished

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<v Speaker 2>in the minority. We weren't allowed to pass any legislation.

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<v Speaker 2>I started a state pack, I raised millions of dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>I helped support a dozen state Senate candidates around the state,

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<v Speaker 2>and we helped flip control of the state Senate for

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<v Speaker 2>the first time since nineteen eighty four. So I am

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<v Speaker 2>now the Senate majority whip. I am the first woman

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<v Speaker 2>to ever hold that position in the first Democrat in

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<v Speaker 2>forty years, and I believe that makes me uniquely qualified

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<v Speaker 2>to take on this campaign because I think Washington needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be a hell of a lot more like Michigan

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<v Speaker 2>and not the other way around.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's your predecessor. Who's leaving office?

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<v Speaker 2>Gary Peters is retiring. We now have two cycles in

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<v Speaker 2>Michigan in a row. There have been two open Senate

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<v Speaker 2>seats in just the last couple of years. Debbie Stabenow

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<v Speaker 2>retired last cycle, and then alyssa' Slockin ran for office

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<v Speaker 2>in one and this cycle, Gary Peters announced he is

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<v Speaker 2>going to retire, and I think that is an incredible

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<v Speaker 2>model that our state is leading, where you can work

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<v Speaker 2>tirelessly and recognize that as a state we have built

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<v Speaker 2>up a really good bench of Democratic candidates and that

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<v Speaker 2>you should have a well earned retirement. Gary just has

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<v Speaker 2>his first grandchild.

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<v Speaker 1>How many terms did he serve too?

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<v Speaker 2>He was in Congress before that and then the state

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<v Speaker 2>legislature and he was the lottery commissioner for a while,

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<v Speaker 2>so he's been in and around politics for a good

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<v Speaker 2>long time.

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<v Speaker 1>They did twelve years in the Senate.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But what you're saying that the bench is deep there

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<v Speaker 1>with competent Democratic candidates, very deep. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>We have done a lot of work here in Michigan

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<v Speaker 2>to grow our ranks and it's time now.

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<v Speaker 1>When you go down there a lot of mature people,

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<v Speaker 1>shall we say a lot of older people, You're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be like their daughter. They've got daughters your age,

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<v Speaker 1>many of them. Do you think you're going to get

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of special treatment because you're so young and

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<v Speaker 1>your lack of experience in terms of federal politics.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm used to people underestimating me. I ran

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty eighteen against my republic An incumbent state senator

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<v Speaker 2>who had won previously by sixteen points, and even local

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats said, that's cute. You're going to get destroyed. And

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<v Speaker 2>there was something really freeing about not necessarily having the

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<v Speaker 2>backing of the party and being able to come in

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<v Speaker 2>and just say, let's just go for it and try

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<v Speaker 2>to run a campaign to really connect with people in

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<v Speaker 2>a way that feels different. We had more than five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred volunteers and I beat them by four points. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a twenty point swing in one cycle. And now I'm

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<v Speaker 2>in leadership. You know, I'm responsible for an eighty billion

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<v Speaker 2>dollars state budget. I'm on seven committees. I'm the chair

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<v Speaker 2>of the Economic and Community Development Committee. I'm the vice

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<v Speaker 2>chair of the Oversight Committee. I've proven that I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>workhourse and I do really well when people underestimate me.

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<v Speaker 1>I still drive American cars.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your favorite?

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<v Speaker 1>I got seven kids, so Cadillac Escalate very roomy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I need a lot of room.

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<v Speaker 2>My husband proposed to me with a twenty fourteen Cadillac

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<v Speaker 2>CTSV wagon with eight hundred horsepower in a manual transmission.

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<v Speaker 1>You're kidding me?

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<v Speaker 2>You were in that or he gave it to you

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<v Speaker 2>as an engaged That was that was that was the

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<v Speaker 2>engagement that was engaged to marry me.

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<v Speaker 1>You were in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he showed me this car. It was parked on

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<v Speaker 2>the street in front of our favorite restaurant, and he

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<v Speaker 2>gets down on one knee and he's just looking at

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<v Speaker 2>the car. I was so confused as to what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was the box for the ring. So it

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<v Speaker 2>was the car in the ring. Thank god.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so cool. You love cars. You're a car nut.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you drive currently?

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<v Speaker 2>I drive a Chevy bolt UV, the slightly larger one.

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<v Speaker 2>I commute back and forth to Lansing, so it's one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and seventy miles round trip every three days a week.

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<v Speaker 1>The election is until next year, that's right. You have

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<v Speaker 1>a whole year and a half to go. The primary

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<v Speaker 1>is in August. You have you to describe your opponent

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<v Speaker 1>in the primary.

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<v Speaker 2>This is right now, a four way primary. So it

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<v Speaker 2>is myself, Congresswoman Haley Stevens abdul lsa ed who ran

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<v Speaker 2>for governor in twenty eighteen against Gretchen Whitmer and Joe Tait,

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<v Speaker 2>who was the speaker of the state.

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<v Speaker 1>House and who's your threat?

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<v Speaker 2>So we knew coming in that I would likely have

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<v Speaker 2>lower name recognition because I am a state legislator. We

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<v Speaker 2>got our first internal pulling back that shows that it's

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<v Speaker 2>already close to neck and neck. The leading candidate is

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<v Speaker 2>Hailey Stevens, member of Congress. She has been on TV

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<v Speaker 2>all over Metro Detroit with millions of dollars of ads

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<v Speaker 2>the last few cycles. Then Abdul lsa Ed is a

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<v Speaker 2>little more well known than I am because he's already

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<v Speaker 2>run statewide. But we dug in deeper and of voters

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<v Speaker 2>who know both myself and the congresswoman. I'm beating her

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<v Speaker 2>by twenty three points, so we feel really good. We

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<v Speaker 2>just have to get out and meet everybody, which is

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<v Speaker 2>why I announced so early. People are looking for change

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<v Speaker 2>and something that feels fresh and outside of Washington and

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<v Speaker 2>somebody who's going to fight and is as angry about

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<v Speaker 2>this moment as they are.

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<v Speaker 1>Michigan State Senator Mallory mcmurrow. If you enjoy conversations about

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<v Speaker 1>politics and women running for office in twenty twenty six,

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<v Speaker 1>check out my episode with California Representative Katie Porter.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I think there is an attitude that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>sort of people are entitled to have Republican representation.

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<v Speaker 2>Here.

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<v Speaker 3>What they're entitled to is good representation, right, people who

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<v Speaker 3>listen to them, people who fight for them, people who

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<v Speaker 3>are not corrupt, and that can come in your Democratic

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<v Speaker 3>or Republican forms.

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<v Speaker 1>To hear my conversation with Katie Porter, go to Here's

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<v Speaker 1>the Thing dot org. After the break, Mallory mcmurroe talks

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<v Speaker 1>about the safety risk of being a politician and the

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<v Speaker 1>public eye and not letting fear win. I'm Alec Baldwin

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<v Speaker 1>and you're listening to Here's the Thing. Mallory mcmurrow is

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<v Speaker 1>not only a Michigan State senator, she is currently a

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<v Speaker 1>candidate in the twenty twenty six mid term election for

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<v Speaker 1>the United States Senate. I was curious about how mcmurrow

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<v Speaker 1>felt about the prospect of serving in Washington, DC at

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<v Speaker 1>such a critical time and what concerns her the most.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm really concerned about just the moment that

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<v Speaker 2>we're in. You know, we're talking now only a few

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<v Speaker 2>days after the Minnesota Speaker of the House, Melissa Hortman,

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<v Speaker 2>was murdered by you know, a man who had made

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<v Speaker 2>a list and made a police car and just just

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<v Speaker 2>terrifying this moment, that that was very premeditative, very premeditated,

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<v Speaker 2>and deep concerns about mental health and so much of

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<v Speaker 2>went into that. And my fear is that people see

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<v Speaker 2>all of that happening and just check out that they say,

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<v Speaker 2>none of this matters. I'm not going to participate. And

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<v Speaker 2>my hope is I want to run a very very

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<v Speaker 2>different campaign that is aggressive on messaging. I'm very active

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<v Speaker 2>on social media. We are doing this brewery tour. We're

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<v Speaker 2>looking at you know, can I show up at dirt

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<v Speaker 2>track races and just get to know people who don't

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<v Speaker 2>talk to politicians? And how do we keep that going

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<v Speaker 2>once we went and getting to Washington, And what's.

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<v Speaker 1>That specific thing like in Michigan, for example, Because in

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<v Speaker 1>New York, in New York politics and that retail politics

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<v Speaker 1>is very specific and very you know, it changes a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, not much. You got to go out to

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<v Speaker 1>the outer borroughs and eat the hot dogs and hug

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<v Speaker 1>the babies, and it's very very retail and very hands on.

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<v Speaker 1>What's it like in Michigan is like when you said

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<v Speaker 1>they don't want to meet the politicians of the dirt

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<v Speaker 1>track race or they do.

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<v Speaker 2>It has become very routine. Michigan is a battleground state.

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<v Speaker 2>So what happens every election cycle is it's not even

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<v Speaker 2>just the candidates who are running, but it's every national

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<v Speaker 2>organization and reporter parachutes into Michigan and it's NonStop at

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<v Speaker 2>everybody's doorstep and doing all these town halls and showing

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<v Speaker 2>up in churches. And then everybody leaves, which I think

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<v Speaker 2>magnifies the experience that you described, because it's not only

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<v Speaker 2>just the candidates leave, it's that entire apparatus that descended

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<v Speaker 2>on Michigan goes away. So for us, I recognize that

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<v Speaker 2>right now, fourteen months before the primary election, this is

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<v Speaker 2>not the time where people are going to want to

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<v Speaker 2>come out to town halls and be lectured about policy.

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<v Speaker 2>So we just had our first four stops of our

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<v Speaker 2>brewery tour. Over the last two days. We were in

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<v Speaker 2>four counties, were driving around and we just invited people, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to lecture you, just come grab a beer,

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<v Speaker 2>get to know me, tell me what keeps you up

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<v Speaker 2>at night, and we'll ask questions. And we did open

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<v Speaker 2>questions and I saw so many people who come out

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<v Speaker 2>who would not come to democratic clubs, not come to

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<v Speaker 2>town halls. We had families and grandparents. What I loved

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<v Speaker 2>about this was because it wasn't rows of chairs that

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<v Speaker 2>we usually see at events. People were getting to know

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<v Speaker 2>each other and asking why they had come, and people

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<v Speaker 2>were having a really good time. And if we can

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<v Speaker 2>start to build relationships like that where we do events

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<v Speaker 2>that feel very different, but we maintain that relationship not

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<v Speaker 2>only throughout the campaign. But that's a promise that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>making now, is you elect me, and we are going

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<v Speaker 2>to continue to do things like this to maintain a

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<v Speaker 2>relationship with you, because Michiganders feel like politics is transactional.

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<v Speaker 2>To your point, you show up right around election time,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody descends, and then you go away and we never

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<v Speaker 2>hear from you.

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<v Speaker 1>And that constant invocation by people who say, well, remember

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<v Speaker 1>one thing, it'll be a lot worse if my opponent wins.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, It can't all just be about fear. People are

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<v Speaker 2>walking on eggshells. Hey, people don't want to talk.

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<v Speaker 1>To each other. Well, they were in so much pain.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a woman, and you mentioned about that relationship as

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<v Speaker 1>a parent is something that's vital. I think to myself

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<v Speaker 1>when you send money to a state from the federal government,

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<v Speaker 1>which they are all pulling the plug on. Now, when

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<v Speaker 1>you send money to a state for parents to help

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<v Speaker 1>raise their children, that's a twofer. You're helping two people.

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<v Speaker 1>You're helping two constituents. With every doublo, it's meant there

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<v Speaker 1>that woman who is the mother, because the mother is

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<v Speaker 1>the primary thing. In my book, obviously we have to

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<v Speaker 1>focus on families. And I'm a Democrat, I'm a liberal Democrat,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm saying to myself, we got to pump as

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<v Speaker 1>much money as possible and to making sure that you

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<v Speaker 1>can go to work if you want to, and those

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<v Speaker 1>kids are taken care of and you can work, you know, undistracted.

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<v Speaker 2>And that if you want to stay home with your kids,

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<v Speaker 2>you can do whatever you want to do. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>can't afford it. Well, I also just on that point,

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<v Speaker 2>I am probably part of the last generation that has

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<v Speaker 2>experienced a time before the Internet. Like I vividly remember

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<v Speaker 2>when we got my first home computer. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>Gateway two thousand. It took up a whole room. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a box cow. It did the boxes cow, and

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<v Speaker 2>the internet was a physical place we went and you'd

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<v Speaker 2>fight I'm one of four, so I had to fight

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<v Speaker 2>my siblings for it, and you got twenty minutes and

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<v Speaker 2>then you were trying to download a song and then

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<v Speaker 2>your mom picks up a phone and then you're mad

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<v Speaker 2>at her. But we have such a responsibility, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is again something that as a senator we have to

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<v Speaker 2>fix is social media companies and tech companies. The products

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<v Speaker 2>are designed to be addictive and you can't disconnect, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is not a way to live. And it's not

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<v Speaker 2>to say that people shouldn't pay attention to what's going on,

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<v Speaker 2>but we have to learn how to reconnect with each

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<v Speaker 2>other in real life and step away for a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit so we stop hating each other.

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<v Speaker 1>We were talking before about the state senator that was

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<v Speaker 1>killed and the horror of the Do you ever fear

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<v Speaker 1>for your safety?

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<v Speaker 2>I do, I really do. We had a protest here

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<v Speaker 2>in Michigan on April thirtieth of twenty twenty, well before

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<v Speaker 2>January sixth, and there's a photo that went viral. There

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<v Speaker 2>are four men in the gallery with full tactical gear

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<v Speaker 2>invests in AR fifteen's and what you don't see in

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<v Speaker 2>that photo is right below them was me. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is the state where there was the plot to kidnap

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<v Speaker 2>and kill Gretchen Witmer, and you know there were also

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<v Speaker 2>plans to carry out public executions on the capitol steps.

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<v Speaker 2>It is devastating to have to think about, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I also, yes, I'm in this because I want a

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<v Speaker 2>better life for my daughter, and I also have to

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<v Speaker 2>think through I have to make sure that I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>putting her life at risk. But I also know it

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<v Speaker 2>is much harder to put your name on a ballot

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<v Speaker 2>and be vulnerable and allow people to judge you and

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<v Speaker 2>say every horrible thing about you that there is to

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<v Speaker 2>say on the internet and lay out a vision for

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<v Speaker 2>a future and ask people to trust you with their

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<v Speaker 2>vote than it is to threaten violence. I just go

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<v Speaker 2>back to we can't let people like this win win,

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<v Speaker 2>Let the fear win, you know, let people be pushed out.

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<v Speaker 2>And we've seen a exodus of clerks and election workers

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, just good people who are trying to

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<v Speaker 2>do a good job who didn't sign up for this.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody signed up for this, And we have to get

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<v Speaker 2>back to what we said at the top, just sanity

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<v Speaker 2>and common sense, where we can disagree with each other

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<v Speaker 2>without worrying that somebody's going to take that as a

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<v Speaker 2>sign to attack you in a really dangerous way.

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<v Speaker 1>How does the gun issue play in that state. I

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<v Speaker 1>would imagine in a state that's very urban and then

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<v Speaker 1>very rural and everything in between. Is it a big

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<v Speaker 1>pro gun voters there?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yes, we are. This is a state where

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<v Speaker 2>we have hunting break in the legislature. We shut down

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<v Speaker 2>for two weeks at the start of hunting season. And

0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:44.640
<v Speaker 2>I grew up in you know, a rural small town.

0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:47.159
<v Speaker 2>We had guns in my house. This is this was normal.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is also a state that has been devastated

0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:55.640
<v Speaker 2>by gun violence. We had the Oxford High School shooting

0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:59.959
<v Speaker 2>here in Michigan, and there were kids who I met

0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:03.320
<v Speaker 2>who had survived that who decided to go to Michigan

0:24:03.320 --> 0:24:06.360
<v Speaker 2>State to stay closer to home because they were still traumatized,

0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:09.680
<v Speaker 2>only to survive another school shooting a few months later.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm somebody. I lost a friend of mine who was

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<v Speaker 2>killed in the Virginia Tech shooting. So we have passed

0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:19.760
<v Speaker 2>in Michigan, universal background checks, safe storage, We closed the

0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:23.080
<v Speaker 2>domestic violence loophole. My first bill ever signed into law

0:24:23.119 --> 0:24:26.119
<v Speaker 2>created Michigan's Red Flag law. And I have to tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we polled for some of the bills that

0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:34.280
<v Speaker 2>we passed, and on universal background checks and safe storage,

0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:40.080
<v Speaker 2>it was over ninety percent of Republican gun owners supported

0:24:40.080 --> 0:24:43.440
<v Speaker 2>this legislation. So there's a real if we can bring

0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:47.240
<v Speaker 2>people together to say, to protect the Second Amendment and

0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:49.480
<v Speaker 2>your right to own guns and go out hunting and

0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:52.280
<v Speaker 2>everything you want to do, we have to pass legislation

0:24:52.320 --> 0:24:54.919
<v Speaker 2>that keeps everybody safe. It just in the last two

0:24:55.000 --> 0:24:58.199
<v Speaker 2>days alone, we've had a shooting at a church and

0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:00.720
<v Speaker 2>then a shooting in royal Oktown, which is part of

0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:02.800
<v Speaker 2>my district, right just overnight in a park.

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<v Speaker 1>It's strange to think that in the modern world that's

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<v Speaker 1>a factor for people that you're going to get shot

0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:10.920
<v Speaker 1>somewhere in public. It is, Yeah, what do you think

0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:13.400
<v Speaker 1>you need to say to Republicans to embrace you, because

0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:15.560
<v Speaker 1>it would be helpful if you could get a few

0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:16.720
<v Speaker 1>of their votes too. Well.

0:25:16.720 --> 0:25:19.000
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be in office if Republicans didn't vote for me.

0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:22.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I flipped a Republican district. There are universal

0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:26.240
<v Speaker 2>values that we all share, and at the end of

0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:29.359
<v Speaker 2>the day, you want to know that government works for you.

0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:31.720
<v Speaker 2>It has to be functional. It has to be saying

0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:34.879
<v Speaker 2>we have to acknowledge that some programs don't work, and

0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:38.120
<v Speaker 2>we do require oversight. We have to be fiscally responsible,

0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:42.000
<v Speaker 2>and we just got to get out of chaos. One

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<v Speaker 2>of my closest friends and colleagues is a guy named

0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:47.520
<v Speaker 2>Senator John Demouse. He's a conservative Republican from northern Michigan.

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<v Speaker 2>He and I are working on legislation to effectively modernize

0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:56.879
<v Speaker 2>our state's economy so that we support more agriculture and

0:25:56.920 --> 0:26:01.920
<v Speaker 2>small businesses and tourism and startups are not so uniquely

0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:06.199
<v Speaker 2>tied to the auto industry. He's also somebody who he

0:26:06.280 --> 0:26:09.520
<v Speaker 2>used to work for a commercial production company, so he's

0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:12.280
<v Speaker 2>talked about Michigan having film tax credits in a way

0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:15.200
<v Speaker 2>that we don't before. So how do we expand our economy?

0:26:15.200 --> 0:26:17.840
<v Speaker 1>And what do you think about as a person who's

0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:20.359
<v Speaker 1>in the entertainment business, tell me what you think about

0:26:20.680 --> 0:26:22.200
<v Speaker 1>tax credits for the film industry.

0:26:22.440 --> 0:26:26.480
<v Speaker 2>I think like Michigan does way too often. We didn't

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<v Speaker 2>allow it enough time to succeed. I have become pretty

0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:33.719
<v Speaker 2>good friends with Tim Robinson and Sam Richardson, who they

0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:36.560
<v Speaker 2>created Detroiters, and now there's I think you should leave

0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:40.840
<v Speaker 2>and Sam was on VEEP and they did a virtual

0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:42.840
<v Speaker 2>fundraiser for me a couple of years ago. It was

0:26:42.880 --> 0:26:46.600
<v Speaker 2>a Detroiter's reunion, which people here really loved, and they said,

0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:50.000
<v Speaker 2>very candidly, you know, we sold this show to Comedy

0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:52.359
<v Speaker 2>Central when the film credits still existed, and we couldn't

0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:57.399
<v Speaker 2>make it today just because no more film credits. We

0:26:57.880 --> 0:27:00.840
<v Speaker 2>change of administration. It was something under Governor Granholm, who

0:27:00.880 --> 0:27:04.639
<v Speaker 2>was a Democrat. She passed it and then Rick Snyder, Republican,

0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:07.199
<v Speaker 2>came in and eliminated them, and we saw, you know,

0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:09.679
<v Speaker 2>an industry was starting to grow and it just collapsed.

0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:13.960
<v Speaker 2>And there are a lot of young people, especially who

0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:17.000
<v Speaker 2>may not love cars the way that I love cars

0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:19.000
<v Speaker 2>and don't necessarily want to work in the auto industry,

0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:21.720
<v Speaker 2>but they want to make movies. And we have to

0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:24.280
<v Speaker 2>diversify our economy and forst stale like cars. I mean,

0:27:24.280 --> 0:27:26.880
<v Speaker 2>we have everything. We have every location. We have Detroit,

0:27:26.920 --> 0:27:29.960
<v Speaker 2>we have outdoors, we have ranches, we have farms, We've

0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:33.600
<v Speaker 2>got you know, urban suburban environments. We have every location

0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:36.520
<v Speaker 2>you could possibly want to shoot anything in. We just

0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:38.600
<v Speaker 2>need to allow it industry to grow. They got rid

0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:40.960
<v Speaker 2>of it here because the Republicans framed it as as

0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:44.800
<v Speaker 2>handouts to Hollywood elites and completely missed you know, the

0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:47.919
<v Speaker 2>local crew, the local talent, the people, high paying jobs

0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:50.159
<v Speaker 2>for the local crew, high paying jobs. You know, we

0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:54.119
<v Speaker 2>have had a really strong advertising industry related to the

0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:56.280
<v Speaker 2>automotive industry because it's all right here, so we have

0:27:56.359 --> 0:27:59.720
<v Speaker 2>advertising agencies, but that business has declined, and we do

0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:01.880
<v Speaker 2>have a lot of young people who want to get

0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:06.240
<v Speaker 2>into production and media and content and telling stories and

0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:09.000
<v Speaker 2>have nowhere to go and ultimately leave the state.

0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Are you hopeful, if not counting on the Senate flipping

0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:14.600
<v Speaker 1>next year in time for your arrival.

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:18.040
<v Speaker 2>It would be so nice if it did. That would

0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:20.240
<v Speaker 2>make things a lot easier. I am under no fallse

0:28:20.280 --> 0:28:24.120
<v Speaker 2>ilution that that is a likely outcome. I feel much

0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:27.320
<v Speaker 2>more confident that the House flips and that the Senate,

0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:31.280
<v Speaker 2>just given the map, stays under Republican control, although narrow,

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:34.320
<v Speaker 2>which is why a part of my pitch is that

0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:36.840
<v Speaker 2>I've already done this on the state level. I got elected,

0:28:36.880 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 2>I came into the minority, I built up a political

0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:42.920
<v Speaker 2>operation to support other candidates to help us take back power,

0:28:42.960 --> 0:28:46.160
<v Speaker 2>and I can do the same thing in the United States.

0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Senate Gary Peters, our retiring senator, was the chair of

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:51.720
<v Speaker 2>the d SC last cycle. So that's shoes that I

0:28:51.800 --> 0:28:52.640
<v Speaker 2>am hoping to fill.

0:28:55.680 --> 0:29:00.800
<v Speaker 1>Michigan State Senate whip Mallory mcmurrow. If you're enjoying this conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>tell a friend and be sure to follow Here's the

0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:07.960
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0:29:07.960 --> 0:29:11.400
<v Speaker 1>your podcasts. When we come back, mcmurroe talks about her

0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:14.920
<v Speaker 1>concerns for Michigan's auto industry in the wake of Trump's

0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:31.920
<v Speaker 1>tariff policies. I'm Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's

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<v Speaker 1>the Thing. As Malorie mcmurroe continues her campaign for the

0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:39.479
<v Speaker 1>United States Senate, I wanted to hear more about what

0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:43.040
<v Speaker 1>she hopes to accomplish for her Michigan constituents if elected

0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:44.520
<v Speaker 1>to serve in Washington.

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<v Speaker 2>So Michigan is the canary in the coal mine when

0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:51.800
<v Speaker 2>we hit the recession, because we are so tied to

0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:55.840
<v Speaker 2>the auto industry. We went down first, we went down hardest,

0:29:56.360 --> 0:30:00.400
<v Speaker 2>and it took us longer than any other state to recover.

0:30:00.800 --> 0:30:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Thinking about the tariff policy right now, what a lot

0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:06.440
<v Speaker 2>of people don't realize is that a car may cross

0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:10.160
<v Speaker 2>the border between Michigan and Canada two dozen times as

0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:12.680
<v Speaker 2>it is being assembled and manufactured. And if you've got

0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:16.080
<v Speaker 2>a tariff being hit on that vehicle, your Cadillac two

0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:19.520
<v Speaker 2>dozen times before it finally gets assembled, that car is

0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:22.800
<v Speaker 2>now ten thousand dollars more expensive. So getting to a

0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:28.600
<v Speaker 2>place where we are reforming our economic policy so it's strategic,

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:31.120
<v Speaker 2>gets thoughtful. This is also a state who was really

0:30:31.200 --> 0:30:35.960
<v Speaker 2>badly hurt by NATO and globalization. But the answer from

0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:40.520
<v Speaker 2>this administration to put reciprocal tariffs on absolutely everything. We're

0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:43.800
<v Speaker 2>not about to grow bananas in Michigan. But getting back

0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:46.920
<v Speaker 2>to a place, you know, again, for us, for our economy,

0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:50.200
<v Speaker 2>it's about sanity. It's about bringing experts to the table,

0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:52.760
<v Speaker 2>having a voice at the table, and putting forward policy

0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:56.320
<v Speaker 2>that is not ready fire aim where you just throw

0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:58.960
<v Speaker 2>everything at the wall and see what sticks and see

0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 2>what the backlash is. And we need that. You know,

0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:05.600
<v Speaker 2>Michigan is currently one of the oldest states in the country.

0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:08.000
<v Speaker 2>We have more people getting ready to retire than we

0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:10.760
<v Speaker 2>have young people coming into the workforce. So that's going

0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:12.640
<v Speaker 2>to be a big focus of mine, is how do

0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:16.520
<v Speaker 2>we need to position our state, which is an affordable

0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:19.840
<v Speaker 2>place to live, which is home of eighty five percent

0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:22.040
<v Speaker 2>of the nation's fresh water in the Great Lakes.

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 1>Wow, a lot of stewardship involved in states like that

0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 1>with that water body, isn't it true?

0:31:26.360 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, we are starting to see people move to Michigan

0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:34.120
<v Speaker 2>as effectively climate refugees. People who can't get a homeowner's

0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:37.600
<v Speaker 2>policy in California or Florida are now coming to Michigan.

0:31:38.040 --> 0:31:41.960
<v Speaker 2>So that is devastating just as a reality for the country,

0:31:42.000 --> 0:31:45.760
<v Speaker 2>but it's an opportunity for Michigan, and from my stance,

0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:48.720
<v Speaker 2>the next US Senator for Michigan has to help our

0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:51.200
<v Speaker 2>state be prepared to accept people when they come here.

0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:54.520
<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of is it Minnesota or Michigan.

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:56.960
<v Speaker 1>What is the one that has the huge population of

0:31:57.000 --> 0:32:00.720
<v Speaker 1>Vietnamese refugees or is it Cambodian refugeuse I can't remember.

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:04.320
<v Speaker 2>The Minnesota has hired. We have a very diverse state.

0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:06.480
<v Speaker 2>We have a lot of Indian American immigrants.

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<v Speaker 1>Patty to India like neighbor of Pakistan India Oka. Yes, correctly,

0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:12.600
<v Speaker 1>I apologize as I'm listening now, I'm so high, I'm

0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:15.000
<v Speaker 1>so hyper vigilant now every time I'm talking to something.

0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:16.959
<v Speaker 2>That's the walking on eggshells thing.

0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly exactly. I called somebody an actress the other

0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:21.240
<v Speaker 1>day and they were glad to me, like, don't you

0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:24.680
<v Speaker 1>call her an actress? She's the actor like you, there's

0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:27.200
<v Speaker 1>an actor now, no actress. I'm like, oh god, okay,

0:32:27.200 --> 0:32:29.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Please don't cancel me.

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<v Speaker 2>We gotta stop.

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:30.840
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:33.000
<v Speaker 2>Can I just say, like, as a party, we need

0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:35.720
<v Speaker 2>to stop canceling everybody. We need we need to build

0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:39.240
<v Speaker 2>a tent welcome people in. If you accidentally say the

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:40.160
<v Speaker 2>wrong thing.

0:32:40.280 --> 0:32:42.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean you yourself have been the victim of that, correct.

0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:46.520
<v Speaker 2>I was, yeah, And because life is like an episode

0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:50.280
<v Speaker 2>of TV, I was sexually harassed by a colleague during

0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:51.800
<v Speaker 2>sexual harassment training.

0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:54.400
<v Speaker 1>No, seriously, he did he did it?

0:32:54.480 --> 0:32:57.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was a guy. I detail it, go into

0:32:57.320 --> 0:32:59.000
<v Speaker 2>detail in my book about it, and I wasn't going

0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:01.120
<v Speaker 2>to say anything. But then months later he did the

0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:02.800
<v Speaker 2>same thing to a young reporter and I knew I

0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:06.240
<v Speaker 2>could speak up, but we were taking a break from

0:33:06.520 --> 0:33:09.880
<v Speaker 2>sexual harassment training and I walked over and I introduced

0:33:09.920 --> 0:33:13.840
<v Speaker 2>myself and he said, who did you beat? And I

0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:16.920
<v Speaker 2>told him who My opponent was and at this point

0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:19.440
<v Speaker 2>he was holding my hand. He put his other hand

0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:25.080
<v Speaker 2>around my body, basically on my ass, and looked me

0:33:25.160 --> 0:33:27.600
<v Speaker 2>up and down and said, I can see why.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, so I'm going to send you a suit

0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:34.120
<v Speaker 1>of armor. You can wear it to Washington, could go

0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:36.600
<v Speaker 1>to serve the Senate every day. Is that your daughter,

0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:38.240
<v Speaker 1>by the way in the background.

0:33:37.920 --> 0:33:40.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she just got home from school, a babysitter Hauser.

0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:42.960
<v Speaker 2>So there was a little voice, she's upstairs sown.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. You just had a curiosity because I am a

0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:48.040
<v Speaker 1>I lapsed and I come back, and I lapsed and

0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:51.560
<v Speaker 1>I come back sometimes I'm back strong. I'm a Catholic

0:33:51.800 --> 0:33:53.600
<v Speaker 1>and you were raised a Catholic? Sure was Is that

0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:55.040
<v Speaker 1>why you went to Notre Dame? Did you want to

0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:56.160
<v Speaker 1>go to a Catholic college.

0:33:56.400 --> 0:33:58.600
<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to go to a Catholic college. Truly.

0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:01.920
<v Speaker 2>We had a falling out with our church, if you will.

0:34:02.080 --> 0:34:04.680
<v Speaker 2>So my parents got divorced when I was seven.

0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:06.280
<v Speaker 1>And I read them about what they said about your mom.

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:09.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and my mom taught CCD, so you know, she

0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:11.520
<v Speaker 2>was doing everything. She volunteered at the church. I was

0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:15.040
<v Speaker 2>in the choir and it got to a place where

0:34:15.120 --> 0:34:17.640
<v Speaker 2>there were a number of other things that went wrong,

0:34:17.920 --> 0:34:20.360
<v Speaker 2>and the community that my mom was looking for was

0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:24.360
<v Speaker 2>very clearly not there in my church. So we left

0:34:24.640 --> 0:34:27.880
<v Speaker 2>and I ended up at Notre Dame because there was

0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:33.000
<v Speaker 2>a service aspect of Catholicism and the ethos of the

0:34:33.040 --> 0:34:35.840
<v Speaker 2>school that I really liked. I liked that all of

0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:38.959
<v Speaker 2>our projects and our work were grounded in giving back

0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:41.360
<v Speaker 2>to the community. And it was much more chill to

0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:44.279
<v Speaker 2>go to Mass in your pajamas in the dorm. It

0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:48.000
<v Speaker 2>felt a little more welcoming than the church usually.

0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:51.560
<v Speaker 1>Is so interesting how those people are emissaries for the

0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:55.399
<v Speaker 1>faith itself and they just don't understand that role. They

0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:57.840
<v Speaker 1>really don't. I mean, I had priests, you know. I remember

0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:01.160
<v Speaker 1>one time I said to this priest that other philosophies

0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:03.520
<v Speaker 1>have anything they hold, any truths for you or any

0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 1>meaning to you. And he goes and he had that

0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:08.520
<v Speaker 1>classic long Island accent. He's from the Island. Oh, yes,

0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:12.080
<v Speaker 1>of course, he said, yes, of course, he said. Sometimes

0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:15.040
<v Speaker 1>I think I think the Buddhists have something to say,

0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:19.160
<v Speaker 1>the Hindus, the Jews, everything, I think everyone has cut

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:22.080
<v Speaker 1>some contribution. He goes, Sometimes I just think that the

0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:24.560
<v Speaker 1>Catholics have the best real estate to hang out in.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, that the accent. By the way, my dad

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<v Speaker 2>is from Long Island, so my grandma is from Hicksville.

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<v Speaker 1>No Billy Joelsh, Billy Joel's from here.

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<v Speaker 2>So exactly. So my grandma still lives in Long Island,

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<v Speaker 2>and she would watch every single Michigan Senate session. She

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<v Speaker 2>would stream it, and then she would call me on

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<v Speaker 2>Fridays to debrief, and in the same accent, she would go, Mallory,

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<v Speaker 2>those people talk way too much. That other senator. He

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<v Speaker 2>never has anything good to say, and you never get

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<v Speaker 2>to ask any questions. And he needs to let you

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<v Speaker 2>talk a little more, you know. Can you tell him that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, Okay, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a great New York accents. It's great. You should

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<v Speaker 1>come here and run. You'll pass. You would pass. Best

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<v Speaker 1>of luck with the primary. We need tough women. We

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<v Speaker 1>need more tough women. If you talk about the issues

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<v Speaker 1>and you keep jabbing with that, you got a good

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<v Speaker 1>shot at winning. You're very, very talented.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>My thanks to Michigan State Senator Mallory mcmurrow. You can

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<v Speaker 1>learn more about her campaign at mcmurrow from Michigan dot Com.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode was recorded at CDM Studios in New York City.

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<v Speaker 1>Were produced by Kathleen Brusso, Zach MacNeice, and Victoria De Martin.

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<v Speaker 1>Our engineer is Frank Imperial. Our social media manager is

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<v Speaker 1>Danielle Gingrich. I'm Alec Baldwin. Here's the Thing is brought

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