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Speaker 1: This is Alec Baldwin, and you're listening to Here's the

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Speaker 1: Thing from iHeart Radio. My guest today is a state

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Speaker 1: senator representing Michigan's eighth district and is a candidate for

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Speaker 1: the United States Senate in twenty twenty six. Mallory mcmurrow

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Speaker 1: currently serves as the Michigan Senate majority whip and as

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Speaker 1: the first woman in history to hold that position. Perhaps

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Speaker 1: best known for her viral twenty twenty two Senate speech,

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Speaker 1: mcmurrow has accomplished a great deal in her short tenure

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Speaker 1: in office.

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Speaker 2: People who are different are not the reason that our

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Speaker 2: roads are in bad shape after decades of disinvestment, or

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Speaker 2: that healthcare costs are too high, or that teachers are

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Speaker 2: leaving the profession. I want every child in this state

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Speaker 2: to feel seen, heard, and supported, not marginalized and targeted

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Speaker 2: because they are not straight, white and Christian.

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Speaker 1: Most notably, she has worked to strengthen Michigan unions and

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Speaker 1: raise wages. She eliminated the retirement tax on seniors, we

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Speaker 1: peeled the state's abortion ban, expanded free community college, and

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Speaker 1: secured investments for public transit and public schools. With all

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Speaker 1: of this under her belt, as a state senator. I

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Speaker 1: was curious what McMurrough thinks Michigan voters expect of her

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Speaker 1: when they return to the polls in twenty twenty six

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Speaker 1: to cast their ballots for United States Senator.

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Speaker 2: Voters are voting for sanity, and they are voting for

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Speaker 2: somebody who cares and who lives what they live. I'm

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Speaker 2: a mom of a four year old. I am concerned

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Speaker 2: about her future and making sure that she has everything

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Speaker 2: she needs, that her water is clean, that her schools

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Speaker 2: are well funded, and pretty basic basic stuff. Just sanity

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Speaker 2: and decency.

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Speaker 1: Right, There's so many things that are common sense that

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Speaker 1: we're missing right now that are just to protect water.

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Speaker 1: People think of the environmentalism that is a hallmark of

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Speaker 1: this country since the seventies. We might not have the

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Speaker 1: enforcement we want, but we have the laws on the books.

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Speaker 1: They think that that's radical. You know, do you do

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Speaker 1: you agree? I mean, I know you're from Michigan.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not radical to want clean air and clean water.

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Speaker 2: I mean watching this administration is going to roll back

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Speaker 2: regulations on asbestos. These are, to your point, common sense,

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Speaker 2: basic things so that we can live longer, so we

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Speaker 2: can enjoy our families longer. It shouldn't be controversial at all.

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Speaker 1: You're from Michigan and I've worked with a couple of

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Speaker 1: groups about Flint related water issues and worked on documentaries

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Speaker 1: about Flint and what happened there, which was just so

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Speaker 1: mind blowing because there were people guilty on both sides

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Speaker 1: of the aisle. Democrats and Republicans are responsible for that.

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Speaker 1: Is that still an important issue in that community there?

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Speaker 1: Do you know? Do they still struggle with water issues there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I was in Flint yesterday. We just kicked off

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Speaker 2: a statewide brewery tour, so we're meeting people and breweries

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Speaker 2: all across the state. And as you can imagine, clean

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Speaker 2: water is important for making good beer too, But it's

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Speaker 2: going to be an entire generation that really struggles. I'm

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Speaker 2: very good friends with doctor Mona Hanna, who was the

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Speaker 2: Flint whistleblower. She was the pediatrician who started seeing how

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Speaker 2: And even if the water is clean now, because we

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Speaker 2: have accelerated making sure that all of the lines are replaced,

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Speaker 2: coming out, you can't reverse the damage that has been

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Speaker 2: done to kids' health, but also community trust is broken

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Speaker 2: and that is going to take many, many years to

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Speaker 1: You were born in New Jersey, it was, and how

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Speaker 1: did the Michigan get into your life? How did that happen?

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Speaker 2: So? I was born and raised in rural New Jersey,

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Speaker 2: Central Jersey. I don't know what exit, which is a

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Speaker 2: to the University of Notre Dame in Indiana, which is

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Speaker 2: about ten minutes from the Michigan border. But I've lived

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Speaker 2: all over the country. So I lived in New Jersey, Indiana,

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Speaker 2: Southern California, New York, southern California, and then Michigan's.

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Speaker 1: Your dad military or something?

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Speaker 2: No, I just I'm a millennial. I couldn't get a

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Speaker 2: job after graduating into the recession. My husband is a

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Speaker 2: born and raised Michigander. But what brought us back to

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Speaker 2: Michigan was friends of mine started a road rally around Michigan.

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Speaker 2: It was a guy who worked for Google and another

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Speaker 2: that was a big thing in the early oughts, and

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Speaker 2: they just had this idea of what if we invited

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Speaker 2: picked up a bunch of cars in Detroit, drove a

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Speaker 2: for five years. And I fell in love with Michigan

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Speaker 2: more than any other place I've ever lived, and I

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Speaker 2: chose to move us back. My husband actually didn't want

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Speaker 2: to come. He didn't want to be closer. No, I

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Speaker 2: didn't want to come home, my.

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Speaker 1: Mad your husband want to live. Let's just get that

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Speaker 1: on the record. Where did he want to go?

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Speaker 2: I mean we were building a life between New York

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Speaker 2: Jelopnik for seven years and then basically the publisher at

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Speaker 2: Gawker Media. I was the creative director for Gawker Media

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Speaker 2: at one point in my life.

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Speaker 1: You were with them for how long?

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Speaker 2: Just one year? And I swear it took ten years

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Speaker 2: off of my life, right, But you.

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Speaker 1: Would know you've had a very varied You graduated from

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame with a degree in what kind of engineering?

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Speaker 2: Industrial design? So I was the mix of art and engineering.

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Speaker 1: You worked on the hot Wheels cars?

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Speaker 2: I sure did, Yes, I did.

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Speaker 1: Can you believe that? I can't believe that?

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Speaker 2: I was a senior designer over global branding and licensing

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Speaker 2: for hot Wheels. So there is a hot Wheels car

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Speaker 2: that has my name on it, and that is my

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Speaker 2: crowning achievement.

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Speaker 1: You have to get a big model that in your

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Speaker 1: office in Washington. Oh yeah, Now back to politics here.

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Speaker 1: You know, when I was younger, everybody wanted to go

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Speaker 1: gw everybody was political. And then as I got older,

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Speaker 1: I thought, I mean, you know, the Congress is so dysfunctional,

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Speaker 1: it's so painful, it's so not even unproductive, it's counterproductive.

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Speaker 1: You go down there and you're in the Senate, presumably

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Speaker 1: you win. What's the three things you really want to

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Speaker 2: Initially, I mean so many things. So if I get elected.

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Speaker 2: When I get elected, I would be one of the

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Speaker 2: only moms of a young child in the Senate. So

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Speaker 2: thinking about how many missed opportunities there have been for

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Speaker 2: working parents. We need universal paid leave in this country.

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Speaker 2: We need access to universal childcare and clean water. That's

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Speaker 2: my third thing for Michigan.

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Speaker 1: We have to and you're going to go down There

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Speaker 1: was a mom and what's the legislative agenda you see

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Speaker 1: is important for you in terms.

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Speaker 2: Of motherhood basic things. I just want to pose this.

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Speaker 2: I know you have seven kids, but for most working parents,

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Speaker 2: the average work day ends at five, but the school

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Speaker 2: day and it too. And there are so many people

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Speaker 2: built an economy for parents. And then you've got people

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Speaker 2: like Elon Musk out there trying to I guess buy

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Speaker 2: as many pregnancies as you possibly can, but you wonder

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Speaker 2: about why is there a declining birth rate and why

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Speaker 2: aren't millennials starting families. And when I talk to people

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Speaker 2: in my generation, what I hear is overwhelmingly I've done

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Speaker 2: everything right and I'm still getting screwed. I went to college,

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Speaker 2: I tried to get a job. I can't afford to

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Speaker 2: buy a house, I can't afford to start a family.

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Speaker 2: None of it adds up. So thinking about even small

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Speaker 2: things about productivity gains have increased significantly over the last

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Speaker 2: few decades. Why are we still holding on to very traditional,

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Speaker 2: outdated ways of working. And then how do we make

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Speaker 2: sure we have universal paid leave, How do we make

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Speaker 2: sure we have universal childcare in a way that every

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Speaker 1: Let's say you want, you're all going to head down

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Speaker 1: there and live down there together.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's only an our flight between Michigan and DC,

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Speaker 2: which is nice. I know that. You know, of the

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Speaker 2: few parents in the Senate, Chris Murphy has kids, Andy

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Speaker 2: Kim has kids, they do it different ways. My daughter

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Speaker 2: so far, she she loves being on a plane a

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Speaker 1: But my husband on Delta, they've got great cookies.

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Speaker 2: Oh of course Detroita's Delta hubs, so she's got to

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Speaker 2: get the cookies. But no, my husband was working out

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Speaker 2: of state for about a year and a half, so

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Speaker 2: in a way she got used to already having a

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Speaker 2: routine where one of us is home, one of us

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Speaker 2: is not. We trade off and on, and then you know,

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Speaker 2: with us. So we are I think, uniquely prepared for this,

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Speaker 2: and we'll do whatever's best for her. I mean, that's

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Speaker 2: the most important thing. Where is she going to have

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Speaker 2: the best opportunity, where is she going to be happiest.

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Speaker 2: And she's building a great life here at home. So

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Speaker 2: it's a quick flight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you do a lot of flying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Carl Levin, the great Carl Levin was office for six terms,

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Speaker 1: I believe thirty six years. I was a huge admirer

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Speaker 1: of his. Describe to me the ramp up to this election.

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Speaker 1: Now for you, you were doing what before you ran

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Speaker 1: for office.

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Speaker 2: So I am a state senator. This is my second term.

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Speaker 2: We have term limits in Michigan. I would be eligible

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Speaker 2: for one.

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Speaker 1: More, so you will have served eight years when you were.

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Speaker 2: Done eight years. Yeah, I'm in my seventh year. Carl Levin,

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Speaker 2: I think, is a great example. He's somebody who went

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Speaker 2: from Detroit City Council to the United States Senate. Wow,

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Speaker 2: there's something really incredible about bringing that local knowledge to

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Speaker 2: Washington in a way where you're not compromised by all

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Speaker 2: of the kind of pushes and pulls of DC. You're

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Speaker 2: not trapped in DC for a long time. You are

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Speaker 2: deeply connected to the roots back home. I am currently

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Speaker 2: a state Senator. I ran for office for the first

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Speaker 2: time in twenty eighteen. I googled how to run for

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Speaker 2: office after the twenty sixteen election, and I came into

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Speaker 2: the minority. The Senate here in Michigan and had been

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Speaker 2: controlled by Republicans since nineteen eighty four, and I languished

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Speaker 2: in the minority. We weren't allowed to pass any legislation.

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Speaker 2: I started a state pack, I raised millions of dollars.

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Speaker 2: I helped support a dozen state Senate candidates around the state,

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Speaker 2: and we helped flip control of the state Senate for

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Speaker 2: the first time since nineteen eighty four. So I am

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Speaker 2: now the Senate majority whip. I am the first woman

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Speaker 2: to ever hold that position in the first Democrat in

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Speaker 2: forty years, and I believe that makes me uniquely qualified

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Speaker 2: to take on this campaign because I think Washington needs

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Speaker 2: to be a hell of a lot more like Michigan

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Speaker 2: and not the other way around.

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Speaker 1: Who's your predecessor. Who's leaving office?

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Speaker 2: Gary Peters is retiring. We now have two cycles in

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Speaker 2: Michigan in a row. There have been two open Senate

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Speaker 2: retired last cycle, and then alyssa' Slockin ran for office

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Speaker 2: in one and this cycle, Gary Peters announced he is

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Speaker 2: going to retire, and I think that is an incredible

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Speaker 1: How many terms did he serve too?

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Speaker 1: But what you're saying that the bench is deep there

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Speaker 2: We have done a lot of work here in Michigan

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Speaker 1: When you go down there a lot of mature people,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm used to people underestimating me. I ran

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Speaker 1: I still drive American cars.

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Speaker 2: What's your favorite?

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Speaker 2: My husband proposed to me with a twenty fourteen Cadillac

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Speaker 2: Well, he showed me this car. It was parked on

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Speaker 1: That's so cool. You love cars. You're a car nut.

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Speaker 2: I drive a Chevy bolt UV, the slightly larger one.

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Speaker 1: The election is until next year, that's right. You have

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Speaker 2: This is right now, a four way primary. So it

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Speaker 2: So we knew coming in that I would likely have

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Speaker 1: Michigan State Senator Mallory mcmurrow. If you enjoy conversations about

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Speaker 1: politics and women running for office in twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 3: You know, I think there is an attitude that you know,

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Speaker 3: sort of people are entitled to have Republican representation.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 3: What they're entitled to is good representation, right, people who

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Speaker 1: To hear my conversation with Katie Porter, go to Here's

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Speaker 1: the Thing dot org. After the break, Mallory mcmurroe talks

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Speaker 1: and you're listening to Here's the Thing. Mallory mcmurrow is

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm really concerned about just the moment that

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Speaker 2: days after the Minnesota Speaker of the House, Melissa Hortman,

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Speaker 2: none of this matters. I'm not going to participate. And

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Speaker 2: looking at you know, can I show up at dirt

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Speaker 1: That specific thing like in Michigan, for example, Because in

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Speaker 1: What's it like in Michigan is like when you said

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Speaker 2: It has become very routine. Michigan is a battleground state.

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Speaker 2: So we just had our first four stops of our

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Speaker 2: To your point, you show up right around election time,

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Speaker 1: And that constant invocation by people who say, well, remember

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Speaker 2: Right, It can't all just be about fear. People are

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Speaker 1: To each other. Well, they were in so much pain.

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Speaker 1: We were talking before about the state senator that was

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Speaker 2: I do, I really do. We had a protest here

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Speaker 2: I also, yes, I'm in this because I want a

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Speaker 2: better life for my daughter, and I also have to

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Speaker 2: think through I have to make sure that I'm not

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Speaker 2: putting her life at risk. But I also know it

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Speaker 2: is much harder to put your name on a ballot

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Speaker 2: and be vulnerable and allow people to judge you and

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Speaker 2: say every horrible thing about you that there is to

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Speaker 2: say on the internet and lay out a vision for

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Speaker 2: a future and ask people to trust you with their

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Speaker 2: vote than it is to threaten violence. I just go

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Speaker 2: back to we can't let people like this win win,

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Speaker 2: Let the fear win, you know, let people be pushed out.

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Speaker 2: And we've seen a exodus of clerks and election workers

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Speaker 2: and you know, just good people who are trying to

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Speaker 2: do a good job who didn't sign up for this.

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Speaker 2: Nobody signed up for this, And we have to get

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Speaker 2: back to what we said at the top, just sanity

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Speaker 2: and common sense, where we can disagree with each other

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Speaker 2: without worrying that somebody's going to take that as a

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Speaker 2: sign to attack you in a really dangerous way.

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Speaker 1: How does the gun issue play in that state. I

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Speaker 1: would imagine in a state that's very urban and then

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Speaker 1: very rural and everything in between. Is it a big

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Speaker 1: pro gun voters there?

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Speaker 2: I mean, yes, we are. This is a state where

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Speaker 2: we have hunting break in the legislature. We shut down

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Speaker 2: for two weeks at the start of hunting season. And

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Speaker 2: I grew up in you know, a rural small town.

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Speaker 2: We had guns in my house. This is this was normal.

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Speaker 2: But this is also a state that has been devastated

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Speaker 2: by gun violence. We had the Oxford High School shooting

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Speaker 2: here in Michigan, and there were kids who I met

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Speaker 2: who had survived that who decided to go to Michigan

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Speaker 2: State to stay closer to home because they were still traumatized,

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Speaker 2: only to survive another school shooting a few months later.

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Speaker 2: I'm somebody. I lost a friend of mine who was

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Speaker 2: killed in the Virginia Tech shooting. So we have passed

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Speaker 2: in Michigan, universal background checks, safe storage, We closed the

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Speaker 2: domestic violence loophole. My first bill ever signed into law

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Speaker 2: created Michigan's Red Flag law. And I have to tell you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we polled for some of the bills that

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Speaker 2: we passed, and on universal background checks and safe storage,

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Speaker 2: it was over ninety percent of Republican gun owners supported

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Speaker 2: this legislation. So there's a real if we can bring

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Speaker 2: people together to say, to protect the Second Amendment and

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Speaker 2: your right to own guns and go out hunting and

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Speaker 2: everything you want to do, we have to pass legislation

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Speaker 2: that keeps everybody safe. It just in the last two

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Speaker 2: days alone, we've had a shooting at a church and

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Speaker 2: then a shooting in royal Oktown, which is part of

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Speaker 2: my district, right just overnight in a park.

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Speaker 1: It's strange to think that in the modern world that's

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Speaker 1: a factor for people that you're going to get shot

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Speaker 1: somewhere in public. It is, Yeah, what do you think

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Speaker 1: you need to say to Republicans to embrace you, because

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Speaker 1: it would be helpful if you could get a few

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Speaker 1: of their votes too. Well.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be in office if Republicans didn't vote for me.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I flipped a Republican district. There are universal

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Speaker 2: values that we all share, and at the end of

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Speaker 2: the day, you want to know that government works for you.

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Speaker 2: It has to be functional. It has to be saying

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Speaker 2: we have to acknowledge that some programs don't work, and

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Speaker 2: we do require oversight. We have to be fiscally responsible,

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Speaker 2: and we just got to get out of chaos. One

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Speaker 2: of my closest friends and colleagues is a guy named

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Speaker 2: Senator John Demouse. He's a conservative Republican from northern Michigan.

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Speaker 2: He and I are working on legislation to effectively modernize

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Speaker 2: our state's economy so that we support more agriculture and

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Speaker 2: small businesses and tourism and startups are not so uniquely

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Speaker 2: tied to the auto industry. He's also somebody who he

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Speaker 2: used to work for a commercial production company, so he's

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Speaker 2: talked about Michigan having film tax credits in a way

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Speaker 2: that we don't before. So how do we expand our economy?

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Speaker 1: And what do you think about as a person who's

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Speaker 1: in the entertainment business, tell me what you think about

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Speaker 1: tax credits for the film industry.

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Speaker 2: I think like Michigan does way too often. We didn't

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Speaker 2: allow it enough time to succeed. I have become pretty

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Speaker 2: good friends with Tim Robinson and Sam Richardson, who they

518
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Speaker 2: created Detroiters, and now there's I think you should leave

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Speaker 2: and Sam was on VEEP and they did a virtual

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Speaker 2: fundraiser for me a couple of years ago. It was

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Speaker 2: a Detroiter's reunion, which people here really loved, and they said,

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Speaker 2: very candidly, you know, we sold this show to Comedy

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Speaker 2: Central when the film credits still existed, and we couldn't

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Speaker 2: make it today just because no more film credits. We

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Speaker 2: change of administration. It was something under Governor Granholm, who

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Speaker 2: was a Democrat. She passed it and then Rick Snyder, Republican,

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Speaker 2: came in and eliminated them, and we saw, you know,

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Speaker 2: an industry was starting to grow and it just collapsed.

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Speaker 2: And there are a lot of young people, especially who

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Speaker 2: may not love cars the way that I love cars

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Speaker 2: and don't necessarily want to work in the auto industry,

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Speaker 2: but they want to make movies. And we have to

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Speaker 2: diversify our economy and forst stale like cars. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we have everything. We have every location. We have Detroit,

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Speaker 2: we have outdoors, we have ranches, we have farms, We've

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Speaker 2: got you know, urban suburban environments. We have every location

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Speaker 2: you could possibly want to shoot anything in. We just

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Speaker 2: need to allow it industry to grow. They got rid

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Speaker 2: of it here because the Republicans framed it as as

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Speaker 2: handouts to Hollywood elites and completely missed you know, the

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Speaker 2: local crew, the local talent, the people, high paying jobs

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Speaker 2: for the local crew, high paying jobs. You know, we

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Speaker 2: have had a really strong advertising industry related to the

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Speaker 2: automotive industry because it's all right here, so we have

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Speaker 2: advertising agencies, but that business has declined, and we do

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Speaker 2: have a lot of young people who want to get

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Speaker 2: into production and media and content and telling stories and

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Speaker 2: have nowhere to go and ultimately leave the state.

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Speaker 1: Are you hopeful, if not counting on the Senate flipping

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Speaker 1: next year in time for your arrival.

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Speaker 2: It would be so nice if it did. That would

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Speaker 2: make things a lot easier. I am under no fallse

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Speaker 2: ilution that that is a likely outcome. I feel much

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Speaker 2: more confident that the House flips and that the Senate,

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Speaker 2: just given the map, stays under Republican control, although narrow,

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Speaker 2: which is why a part of my pitch is that

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Speaker 2: I've already done this on the state level. I got elected,

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Speaker 2: I came into the minority, I built up a political

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Speaker 2: operation to support other candidates to help us take back power,

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Speaker 2: and I can do the same thing in the United States.

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Speaker 2: Senate Gary Peters, our retiring senator, was the chair of

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Speaker 2: the d SC last cycle. So that's shoes that I

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Speaker 2: am hoping to fill.

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Speaker 1: Michigan State Senate whip Mallory mcmurrow. If you're enjoying this conversation,

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Speaker 1: tell a friend and be sure to follow Here's the

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Speaker 1: Thing on the iHeartRadio app, Spotify, or wherever you get

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Speaker 1: your podcasts. When we come back, mcmurroe talks about her

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Speaker 1: concerns for Michigan's auto industry in the wake of Trump's

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Speaker 1: tariff policies. I'm Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's

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Speaker 1: the Thing. As Malorie mcmurroe continues her campaign for the

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Speaker 1: United States Senate, I wanted to hear more about what

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Speaker 1: she hopes to accomplish for her Michigan constituents if elected

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Speaker 1: to serve in Washington.

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Speaker 2: So Michigan is the canary in the coal mine when

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Speaker 2: we hit the recession, because we are so tied to

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Speaker 2: the auto industry. We went down first, we went down hardest,

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Speaker 2: and it took us longer than any other state to recover.

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Speaker 2: Thinking about the tariff policy right now, what a lot

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Speaker 2: of people don't realize is that a car may cross

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Speaker 2: the border between Michigan and Canada two dozen times as

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Speaker 2: it is being assembled and manufactured. And if you've got

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Speaker 2: a tariff being hit on that vehicle, your Cadillac two

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Speaker 2: dozen times before it finally gets assembled, that car is

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Speaker 2: now ten thousand dollars more expensive. So getting to a

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Speaker 2: place where we are reforming our economic policy so it's strategic,

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Speaker 2: gets thoughtful. This is also a state who was really

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Speaker 2: badly hurt by NATO and globalization. But the answer from

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Speaker 2: this administration to put reciprocal tariffs on absolutely everything. We're

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Speaker 2: not about to grow bananas in Michigan. But getting back

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Speaker 2: to a place, you know, again, for us, for our economy,

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Speaker 2: it's about sanity. It's about bringing experts to the table,

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Speaker 2: having a voice at the table, and putting forward policy

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Speaker 2: that is not ready fire aim where you just throw

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Speaker 2: everything at the wall and see what sticks and see

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Speaker 2: what the backlash is. And we need that. You know,

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Speaker 2: Michigan is currently one of the oldest states in the country.

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Speaker 2: We have more people getting ready to retire than we

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Speaker 2: have young people coming into the workforce. So that's going

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Speaker 2: to be a big focus of mine, is how do

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Speaker 2: we need to position our state, which is an affordable

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Speaker 2: place to live, which is home of eighty five percent

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Speaker 2: of the nation's fresh water in the Great Lakes.

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Speaker 1: Wow, a lot of stewardship involved in states like that

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Speaker 1: with that water body, isn't it true?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, we are starting to see people move to Michigan

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Speaker 2: as effectively climate refugees. People who can't get a homeowner's

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Speaker 2: policy in California or Florida are now coming to Michigan.

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Speaker 2: So that is devastating just as a reality for the country,

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Speaker 2: but it's an opportunity for Michigan, and from my stance,

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Speaker 2: the next US Senator for Michigan has to help our

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Speaker 2: state be prepared to accept people when they come here.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of is it Minnesota or Michigan.

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Speaker 1: What is the one that has the huge population of

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Speaker 1: Vietnamese refugees or is it Cambodian refugeuse I can't remember.

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Speaker 2: The Minnesota has hired. We have a very diverse state.

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Speaker 2: We have a lot of Indian American immigrants.

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Speaker 1: Patty to India like neighbor of Pakistan India Oka. Yes, correctly,

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Speaker 1: I apologize as I'm listening now, I'm so high, I'm

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Speaker 1: so hyper vigilant now every time I'm talking to something.

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Speaker 2: That's the walking on eggshells thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly. I called somebody an actress the other

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Speaker 1: day and they were glad to me, like, don't you

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Speaker 1: call her an actress? She's the actor like you, there's

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Speaker 1: an actor now, no actress. I'm like, oh god, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Please don't cancel me.

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Speaker 2: We gotta stop.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Can I just say, like, as a party, we need

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Speaker 2: to stop canceling everybody. We need we need to build

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Speaker 2: a tent welcome people in. If you accidentally say the

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Speaker 2: wrong thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean you yourself have been the victim of that, correct.

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Speaker 2: I was, yeah, And because life is like an episode

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Speaker 2: of TV, I was sexually harassed by a colleague during

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Speaker 2: sexual harassment training.

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Speaker 1: No, seriously, he did he did it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a guy. I detail it, go into

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Speaker 2: detail in my book about it, and I wasn't going

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Speaker 2: to say anything. But then months later he did the

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Speaker 2: same thing to a young reporter and I knew I

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Speaker 2: could speak up, but we were taking a break from

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Speaker 2: sexual harassment training and I walked over and I introduced

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Speaker 2: myself and he said, who did you beat? And I

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Speaker 2: told him who My opponent was and at this point

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Speaker 2: he was holding my hand. He put his other hand

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Speaker 2: around my body, basically on my ass, and looked me

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Speaker 2: up and down and said, I can see why.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, so I'm going to send you a suit

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Speaker 1: of armor. You can wear it to Washington, could go

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Speaker 1: to serve the Senate every day. Is that your daughter,

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Speaker 1: by the way in the background.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she just got home from school, a babysitter Hauser.

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Speaker 2: So there was a little voice, she's upstairs sown.

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Speaker 1: Now. You just had a curiosity because I am a

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Speaker 1: I lapsed and I come back, and I lapsed and

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Speaker 1: I come back sometimes I'm back strong. I'm a Catholic

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Speaker 1: and you were raised a Catholic? Sure was Is that

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Speaker 1: why you went to Notre Dame? Did you want to

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Speaker 1: go to a Catholic college.

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to go to a Catholic college. Truly.

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Speaker 2: We had a falling out with our church, if you will.

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Speaker 2: So my parents got divorced when I was seven.

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Speaker 1: And I read them about what they said about your mom.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and my mom taught CCD, so you know, she

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Speaker 2: was doing everything. She volunteered at the church. I was

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Speaker 2: in the choir and it got to a place where

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Speaker 2: there were a number of other things that went wrong,

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Speaker 2: and the community that my mom was looking for was

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Speaker 2: very clearly not there in my church. So we left

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Speaker 2: and I ended up at Notre Dame because there was

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Speaker 2: a service aspect of Catholicism and the ethos of the

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Speaker 2: school that I really liked. I liked that all of

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Speaker 2: our projects and our work were grounded in giving back

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Speaker 2: to the community. And it was much more chill to

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Speaker 2: go to Mass in your pajamas in the dorm. It

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Speaker 2: felt a little more welcoming than the church usually.

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Speaker 1: Is so interesting how those people are emissaries for the

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Speaker 1: faith itself and they just don't understand that role. They

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Speaker 1: really don't. I mean, I had priests, you know. I remember

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Speaker 1: one time I said to this priest that other philosophies

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Speaker 1: have anything they hold, any truths for you or any

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Speaker 1: meaning to you. And he goes and he had that

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Speaker 1: classic long Island accent. He's from the Island. Oh, yes,

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Speaker 1: of course, he said, yes, of course, he said. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: I think I think the Buddhists have something to say,

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Speaker 1: the Hindus, the Jews, everything, I think everyone has cut

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Speaker 1: some contribution. He goes, Sometimes I just think that the

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Speaker 1: Catholics have the best real estate to hang out in.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, that the accent. By the way, my dad

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Speaker 2: is from Long Island, so my grandma is from Hicksville.

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Speaker 1: No Billy Joelsh, Billy Joel's from here.

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Speaker 2: So exactly. So my grandma still lives in Long Island,

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Speaker 2: and she would watch every single Michigan Senate session. She

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Speaker 2: would stream it, and then she would call me on

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Speaker 2: Fridays to debrief, and in the same accent, she would go, Mallory,

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Speaker 2: those people talk way too much. That other senator. He

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Speaker 2: never has anything good to say, and you never get

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Speaker 2: to ask any questions. And he needs to let you

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Speaker 2: talk a little more, you know. Can you tell him that.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, you.

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Speaker 1: Have a great New York accents. It's great. You should

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Speaker 1: come here and run. You'll pass. You would pass. Best

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Speaker 1: of luck with the primary. We need tough women. We

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Speaker 1: need more tough women. If you talk about the issues

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Speaker 1: and you keep jabbing with that, you got a good

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Speaker 1: shot at winning. You're very, very talented.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: My thanks to Michigan State Senator Mallory mcmurrow. You can

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Speaker 1: learn more about her campaign at mcmurrow from Michigan dot Com.

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Speaker 1: This episode was recorded at CDM Studios in New York City.

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Speaker 1: Were produced by Kathleen Brusso, Zach MacNeice, and Victoria De Martin.

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Speaker 1: Our engineer is Frank Imperial. Our social media manager is

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Speaker 1: Danielle Gingrich. I'm Alec Baldwin. Here's the Thing is brought

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