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Speaker 1: their webs well, welcome to another addition Early Around the
Speaker 1: NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and I'm coming
Speaker 1: to you from a city filled with heroes in Bunker
Speaker 1: Smart Sessler, Chris Wesling and Greg Roseval. What is up boys? Hey? Dan,
Speaker 1: and it's been it's a fun week. A lot of
Speaker 1: guests this week, because that's not all. He's a reporter,
Speaker 1: analyst host for NFL Network. He's a Howard University graduate.
Speaker 1: He always keeps it real. Do not disrespect his o
Speaker 1: Joe Steve Wish, Welcome back to the Round the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: There's nothing like reading the Twitter bio page to bring
Speaker 1: me in food. Don't disrespect my dough, Joe. I was like,
Speaker 1: my god, is that a Napoleon Dynamite reference? Kind of
Speaker 1: sort of? You know, I think it was one of
Speaker 1: those things where, you know, so many people come hard
Speaker 1: at me on Twitter. Sometimes I gotta make I make
Speaker 1: them think it's like martial arts. So so if they
Speaker 1: do confront me that, you know they're gonna have some
Speaker 1: hands and feet coming along. Hey, But before we get started,
Speaker 1: you know, I said, sitting here in my living room.
Speaker 1: But when I told my wife Dianne, who most of
Speaker 1: you have met usually over an excessive body paid her wine,
Speaker 1: She's like, Oh, you're doing it with Dan with the
Speaker 1: good hair. That's right, that's he's our Becky, Becky with
Speaker 1: a good hair of NFL media. She's a wonderful woman.
Speaker 1: In fact, I hope to see her again. We we
Speaker 1: got to see her last sing. But with the the
Speaker 1: situation as it is, I never you know when are
Speaker 1: we gonna see sweet day right? Hopefully hopefully miss Maybe
Speaker 1: she'll crash the party, maybe she'll come in and have
Speaker 1: a little fun right here. But uh, we're walking together soon.
Speaker 1: I gotta have you guys over at the house. It's
Speaker 1: kind of in the middle of a tear down right now.
Speaker 1: Things done when this when a pandemic shruck. So I'm
Speaker 1: navigating that with my three sons and brother in laws.
Speaker 1: There's a whole lot of grown men and my poor
Speaker 1: little wife here. So she is a champ. Steve Steve
Speaker 1: Weisch's life goals for many reasons, but one of them
Speaker 1: being the extensive and impressive house that he purchased in
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles area, so we hope to get to
Speaker 1: that point. Okay, it was greg, you know what. It
Speaker 1: was all done because I've purchased other homes before, extensive
Speaker 1: and impressive. I I love renting. That's my that's my
Speaker 1: preferences to rent a home. That square footage compared to
Speaker 1: the rent makes your eyeballs fall out. I like it
Speaker 1: that way. By the way, Steve, you are last time
Speaker 1: you were on the show Sneaky Great Bod Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: Steve wisch Uh. Keeps it tight, keeps it right, great arms,
Speaker 1: you know, and what are you doing during this to
Speaker 1: stay in shape? A lot of people are facing that
Speaker 1: challenge right now that you know, you depended on the
Speaker 1: gym to get your exercise and now you're trapped in
Speaker 1: your home. Yeah, you know, it's it's crazy. You know.
Speaker 1: I I in my backyard because my three sons are here.
Speaker 1: So we've actually set up like a circuit training, but
Speaker 1: we're back kind of the prison yard workout, man. I
Speaker 1: mean we've got you know, we've got the push up,
Speaker 1: the push up station to set up station. You know,
Speaker 1: we've got a couple of bar bills, We've got you know,
Speaker 1: a little curls and shoulder work going on, and um,
Speaker 1: kind of a boxing station. So you know, we change
Speaker 1: it up. We change it up from time to time.
Speaker 1: You got a stationary bike that we get in there,
Speaker 1: so we change it up. So is this like Rocky
Speaker 1: training in the Russian wilderness ahead of the drag Go
Speaker 1: fight throwing railroad ties around? And I think this is
Speaker 1: more like Curtis training San Quentin. It's more like that. Well,
Speaker 1: we're keeping it tight man, all right, good, keep it tight,
Speaker 1: keep it right. Uh, Steve's on the show. We're gonna
Speaker 1: spend through some news. Uh, you have some interesting insight
Speaker 1: on the great to a last name pronounced how Greg
Speaker 1: congo Violo? I mean, come on, at this point, we've
Speaker 1: had him on the show. We've talked about him daily
Speaker 1: for two months. What are we waiting for. We've called
Speaker 1: him to exclusively. We've other than you, he said, we've
Speaker 1: had him on the show. We haven't actually had him
Speaker 1: on the show. If we had him on the show,
Speaker 1: I would be able to study and learn the name.
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm still just going with cliff cliffs notes
Speaker 1: to a you got why is she here for your
Speaker 1: Pacific Islander news? I mean, this guy is Steve in
Speaker 1: the culture I know, and Steve is super plugged in
Speaker 1: on the to a situation. We had UM a really
Speaker 1: good conversation yesterday about to UH with Peter Schrager UM,
Speaker 1: who gave us a little bit of insight into his
Speaker 1: you know how, just how much of a coveted prospect
Speaker 1: he is in the top of the first round. So
Speaker 1: I want to get to that with you, Steve a
Speaker 1: little bit later. But why don't we begin things by
Speaker 1: catching up on the news hit it Ricky, I was
Speaker 1: tremendous faith to my Lord. And one thing about Tom
Speaker 1: Brady is is understood that he is to go for you,
Speaker 1: to get replaced by by Tom Brady in a in
Speaker 1: a city that you love so much. I guess that's
Speaker 1: kudos to me. That's the first I heard that. That's great.
Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite lines of the offseason. Jamis
Speaker 1: Winston on Fox UH and good for him, Jamis is
Speaker 1: he's starting up some type of hotline for people to
Speaker 1: learn more and get information the need regarding the COVID
Speaker 1: nineteen pandemic. UM. But he was asked by the talking head,
Speaker 1: what's it like, you know you're out of work right now,
Speaker 1: and tom took your job. He said, it's good us
Speaker 1: to him that Tom Brady took his job. I don't
Speaker 1: know what that means, but I do. I feel bad
Speaker 1: for the guy. I mean, he he He certainly is
Speaker 1: in a difficult spot right now, as we all know
Speaker 1: as a football player. But I imagine he's getting asked
Speaker 1: this all the time about Tom Brady and about what's
Speaker 1: going on. Are you gonna get a job? This guy
Speaker 1: through for five thousand yards last year and he's out
Speaker 1: on the street as we approach mid April. Well, they're
Speaker 1: linked together historically forever now, if if we consider football history,
Speaker 1: something that will go on forever. I mean, he's always
Speaker 1: the guy that Tom Brady unseated. But I think there's
Speaker 1: a good argument. I don't know if it's kudos to
Speaker 1: him that they would have moved on anyways, it's for
Speaker 1: someone else. It's not just simply a tom Brady replaced
Speaker 1: me thing. It's you kind of lost your job based
Speaker 1: on the inability to keep the ball out of the
Speaker 1: other team's hands. Oh, I see what that means. So
Speaker 1: he's saying, the only way what would it what would
Speaker 1: it take for me to lose my gig. Tom Brady
Speaker 1: had to be involved, like a positive attitude, and and
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston, if nothing else, always seems to see the
Speaker 1: sunny side of things. When it comes to Jamis Winston,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like Tom Brady's X is thinking, Wow,
Speaker 1: I guess you know, if we're gonna get displaced, it's
Speaker 1: by Giselle. You know who to them? Um? All right?
Speaker 1: Speaking of Tom Brady, we talked about this last week.
Speaker 1: He agreed uh to sit down or do a phoner
Speaker 1: with Howard Stern on the Howard Stern Show that went
Speaker 1: down this morning. It was about a two hour wide
Speaker 1: ranging um interview with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers quarterback. A
Speaker 1: lot of kind of interesting uh tidbits came out of it,
Speaker 1: maybe no bombshells, but clearly Brady who did this interview.
Speaker 1: I guess in a it's a bit of a statement,
Speaker 1: I am no longer connected to the Patriot way. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna just talk about it. He dropped some salty language,
Speaker 1: he was pretty honest and several of his answers, even
Speaker 1: Donald Trump came up and he spoke rather candidly. I
Speaker 1: thought about his relationship with Trump. But one thing and
Speaker 1: I want to play this clip. UM. One of my
Speaker 1: favorite kind of UM all time NFL questions is chick
Speaker 1: under the egg? What made the Patriots dynasty? Uh? Is
Speaker 1: it Tom Brady Bill Belichick who's truly the hero here?
Speaker 1: And Stern asked him about that. Let's listen to I
Speaker 1: don't think. I think it's a pretty short argument actually
Speaker 1: that people would say that, because again, I can't do
Speaker 1: his job and he can't do mine. Right, So the
Speaker 1: fact that you could say, would I'd be successful without
Speaker 1: him the same level of success, I don't believe I
Speaker 1: would have been. But I feel the same in in
Speaker 1: in vice versa as well. To have him allowed me
Speaker 1: to be the best I could beat. So I'm grateful
Speaker 1: for that. And I very much believe that he feels
Speaker 1: the same about me, because we've expressed that to each other.
Speaker 1: And then Bell then Stern doubled down and said, but
Speaker 1: don't you think that it's messed up that you're not
Speaker 1: retiring a Patriot? Do you hold that against Belichick? But Tom,
Speaker 1: isn't there some reasonable in your part that he didn't
Speaker 1: make you a Patriot for life? In other words, absolutely not, no,
Speaker 1: because this is a part for me and I like
Speaker 1: to experience something very different, and you know, there's things,
Speaker 1: there's there's ways for me to grow and evolved in
Speaker 1: a different way that I haven't had the opportunity to do.
Speaker 1: That aren't right or wrong. That's just right for me. Steve,
Speaker 1: what's your take on the whole situation here? Yeah, Look,
Speaker 1: I think that's a fantastic and very honest answer with
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. I mean, we don't know if either would
Speaker 1: have been successful without without each other, and I like,
Speaker 1: I think the fact that Brady said, hey, look, you
Speaker 1: know that I've expressed that to him, and he's expressed
Speaker 1: that to me. We're gonna find out. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: it's you know, I think it's a little bit more
Speaker 1: unfair to Tom Brady that he didn't get a chance
Speaker 1: to stake his claim when he was thirty five, so
Speaker 1: to speak, to see if he could win without Bill Belichick,
Speaker 1: and he's got to do it when he's forty three
Speaker 1: with a franchise that to me right now is at
Speaker 1: best second best in the NFC South behind the Saints. Um.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I mean, I think that's
Speaker 1: that's kind of how it works. I mean, who knows
Speaker 1: that the Patriots are going to be a successful I
Speaker 1: think the Bills are the best team in the a
Speaker 1: f C going into the season, but who knows. If
Speaker 1: Belichick can coach up some of these other guys, that's fine,
Speaker 1: but you gotta have the quarterback, and if you're going
Speaker 1: with Jared Stidham, you know to be your guy. I
Speaker 1: don't think in the short term that's gonna be, you know,
Speaker 1: to be the answer. Maybe maybe Jamis Winston goes and
Speaker 1: replaces Tom Brady and then we'll say kudos to him
Speaker 1: as well. Again his his Brady's answer to the chicken
Speaker 1: or egg question was maybe my favorite answer he's ever given.
Speaker 1: I don't get the obsession with this topic. There's not
Speaker 1: an answer. There's never going to be an answer. You
Speaker 1: might think you're going to get an answer on what
Speaker 1: an age quarterback does in Tampa Bay, but they are
Speaker 1: inextricably lengked and there is no need for us to
Speaker 1: try to tear apart and dissect who's more responsible for
Speaker 1: their success. I just don't get it, and thank you
Speaker 1: Tom for putting it that way. I think it's part
Speaker 1: I think it's sports though West. I think it's just
Speaker 1: fun to debate things like that. And right, but there's
Speaker 1: no answer. Well, I think that's what makes part of
Speaker 1: it fun for a lot of people, and myself included
Speaker 1: just this idea of is that was this truly the
Speaker 1: all time perfect storm of the greatest coach ever and
Speaker 1: the greatest Why not? Why not settle on that as
Speaker 1: the answer? Like why do I know that? Like sports
Speaker 1: writers in general and sports fans like, if it's not simple,
Speaker 1: they don't want it, they don't want to tackle it,
Speaker 1: Like issues are complex, there's a lot of factors that
Speaker 1: go into it. Why can't that be the answer? Well
Speaker 1: marks the same way with the jfk assassination, and he
Speaker 1: doesn't want to accept that Lee Harvey Oswald was the
Speaker 1: lone gunman. He needs it to be more, he needs
Speaker 1: it to be more complicated. But maybe you're right West,
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just the simplest Well, that is a that
Speaker 1: is a an unbelievable aside from Dan there, and it's
Speaker 1: not just me, it's the large the majority of the
Speaker 1: country that's looked into that for more than five minutes.
Speaker 1: But I will say this about Tom Brady that I
Speaker 1: think that this this was Tom Brady at his most honest,
Speaker 1: and I totally accept his answer, Um, if you listen
Speaker 1: to the rest of what he discussed about his life
Speaker 1: and the way he went through, UM, some of the
Speaker 1: marital issues he had with Giselle, because it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's great to want to marry Tom Brady, the successful quarterback,
Speaker 1: but then part of that is you lose the man
Speaker 1: to the NFL for a huge chunk of the year
Speaker 1: every year, and and the weight that it uh, the
Speaker 1: toll that it took on their marriage. I just thought
Speaker 1: that Brady Bean is open and honest about that and
Speaker 1: his relationship with Bill. I've waited for this version of
Speaker 1: Tom Brady for a long time. He's still tad manufactured
Speaker 1: because I think he's very cautious about what he says.
Speaker 1: But you never would have gotten this interview three months ago,
Speaker 1: and he sounds like a man reflecting back on the
Speaker 1: whole Patriots experience and appreciating it. I don't think that.
Speaker 1: I just don't think there is this long lasting animosity
Speaker 1: against anyone there at this point. Let's move. It was
Speaker 1: fun though, it was a good it was a good interview.
Speaker 1: I think one little nugget, by the way, and and
Speaker 1: Stern dropped this and maybe this passed me and the
Speaker 1: but they talked about as Tom Brady ever been asked
Speaker 1: to play like a major role in a movie that
Speaker 1: he turned down uh, and noted that O. J. Simpson
Speaker 1: was at one point the lead candidate to play the terminator,
Speaker 1: which that that kind of stopped me in my tracks
Speaker 1: during There are a number of major revelations, but that
Speaker 1: one through me and I'm still considering it. He played
Speaker 1: the terminator. Well, that's another Okay, we don't need to
Speaker 1: go down that path, but fair enough so we've hit
Speaker 1: JFK and O J. So far in today's episode. Um,
Speaker 1: somewhere it's the rule of threes. I can hear the
Speaker 1: disappointment in your voice, Dan, that that Tom said he cried, um,
Speaker 1: you know when he when he last spoke with Kraft
Speaker 1: and with Belichick, that it was a tearful goodbye. That
Speaker 1: that considering how close they are to the divorce it
Speaker 1: I am kind of surprised how um, as Mark said,
Speaker 1: sort of, how little animosity and drama there is do
Speaker 1: it well, I mean, we don't need to go down
Speaker 1: the swormhole again. But just because he's saying the right
Speaker 1: things here and taking the high road doesn't to me.
Speaker 1: He didn't he wasn't credible. I think I think it
Speaker 1: was obviously a very emotional time for him, and how
Speaker 1: could it not be. But when Brady says things like
Speaker 1: there's no there's no ugly divorce here. It was just
Speaker 1: time for a fresh start and I wanted a new challenge,
Speaker 1: the Patriots kind of made that decision for him in
Speaker 1: my mind. He said he and he knew going into
Speaker 1: the season, right, so it feels like it was on
Speaker 1: But he said that was probably the biggest news item
Speaker 1: was just he said he felt going into the season
Speaker 1: it probably was going to be his last season, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's had months to adjust to this, and
Speaker 1: I and I and I again, I believe him on
Speaker 1: that too. I just do I think that was a
Speaker 1: point of debate months ago when this was, you know,
Speaker 1: all decided. But Tom Brady's probably felt this change coming
Speaker 1: in his life since late summer his contract to become
Speaker 1: a free agent and to have no franchise tag attached
Speaker 1: to it, so of course he knew this was coming.
Speaker 1: UM moving on Hard Knocks news, and it's not good
Speaker 1: news in my opinion. UM. For the first time, Hard
Speaker 1: Knocks is planning to supersize Feature two teams this summer,
Speaker 1: the Rams and the Chargers. This according to Adam Schefter.
Speaker 1: It hasn't been officially announced, and this of course depends
Speaker 1: on if there are training camps, which we don't know
Speaker 1: yet considering all that's going on in the world. But
Speaker 1: if Schefter is reporting is right, and there's no reason
Speaker 1: to think that it's uh incorrect. He's usually pretty good
Speaker 1: with this kind of stuff. It will be a Rams
Speaker 1: and Chargers hard knocks. And I'm curious, Steve, you're plugged
Speaker 1: in on the l a scene on this, uh the idea, Well,
Speaker 1: let me say, let me start it this way. I'm
Speaker 1: a little worried about this as a jump the shark
Speaker 1: moment for hard knocks, um, as some of them. That's
Speaker 1: that's written about the show for the past nine years
Speaker 1: on our website. I I've watched every episode, written about
Speaker 1: every episode. Um. There's been great seasons, there's been bloss seasons,
Speaker 1: but this is the first one where I'm when I
Speaker 1: I look at the five teams that were quote unquote
Speaker 1: and more now that more than ever quote unquote hard
Speaker 1: knocks eligible. Uh. And that list included Lions, Jags, Cardinals,
Speaker 1: Broncos and Steelers. Uh. For them not to be chosen
Speaker 1: instead to go with the Rams, UH, the l A
Speaker 1: Market team and the Chargers, the other l A Market
Speaker 1: team moving into a new stadium, The Chargers who badly
Speaker 1: need some juice, the Rams, who have a great relationship
Speaker 1: obviously with the media side of things at the NFL.
Speaker 1: It does feel like a promotional opportunity. And yes, you
Speaker 1: could say they're always it's always a promotional opportunity hard knocks,
Speaker 1: that's what it is. But this one feels a little
Speaker 1: on the nose, and to me that that upsets me
Speaker 1: as a Hard Knocks die hard. Steve talked me off
Speaker 1: the ledge. Yeah, look, well, it's the thing of it
Speaker 1: is the great stuff about Hard Knocks and the personalities
Speaker 1: and the characters, And when you think about that, when
Speaker 1: it comes to the Rams, you're talking about Sean mcveh and,
Speaker 1: and you know, they don't have a lot of great characters.
Speaker 1: I mean, Aaron Donald's fantastic, and they've got some good players.
Speaker 1: So I think a lot of this is gonna hinge
Speaker 1: on the Chargers, especially if they end up drafting to UH,
Speaker 1: because now you're gonna have the twa Tyrod Taylor quarterback question.
Speaker 1: You can have Anthony Lynn, who I'm glad he's getting
Speaker 1: exposure because he's a fantastic head coach. But you know
Speaker 1: you're gonna have him talking an awful lot of it,
Speaker 1: so they'll be drama there, you know. And the Chargers
Speaker 1: they've loaded up this offseason. You just have to see
Speaker 1: what's happening at quarterback. Um. I don't know, it feels
Speaker 1: a little bit forced. I would have liked to have
Speaker 1: seen the Arizona Cardinals because you know them with DeAndre
Speaker 1: Hopkins and Kyler Murray's is gonna be a great player
Speaker 1: in this league for a long time, and Cliff Kingsbury
Speaker 1: and year two. I think that would have been a
Speaker 1: very entertaining hard knocks. Um. But I'm just gonna see
Speaker 1: how It's gonna be interesting to see how they navigated
Speaker 1: because the move into a stadium, people outside the l
Speaker 1: A market really aren't going to give a damn about that.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's you know, that is what it is.
Speaker 1: It's it's a new stadium. It's gonna be splashy. But
Speaker 1: how many people in the other markets are gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: take a visit to come see either one of these
Speaker 1: two teams play. I'm with you I think that that's
Speaker 1: been pounded over our heads relentlessly in the l A area.
Speaker 1: But why would we care at that word a subplot
Speaker 1: in New Jersey or Detroit or Houston. We wouldn't. To me,
Speaker 1: my one concern for the quality of the show, as
Speaker 1: I think it succeeds when you go deeper than you
Speaker 1: thought um with certain people and with coaches and certain
Speaker 1: players that are you know, not necessarily uh, they become
Speaker 1: stars during the show. One of its great qualities. When
Speaker 1: you're splitting this up with UM two teams, I just
Speaker 1: think it's to me, it's it strikes me as a
Speaker 1: little less intimate. You're not getting a great feel for
Speaker 1: one team necessarily if you're giving each half as much
Speaker 1: real estate. Uh I I'm willing to I'm willing to
Speaker 1: give it a look. I'll say this, I got a
Speaker 1: little tired of the endless and predictable um l A
Speaker 1: ontages when the rams were featured just a few years ago.
Speaker 1: And they're gonna do that all of that all over again,
Speaker 1: and it's just like I want to see. Hard Knocks
Speaker 1: to me, is in danger when it feels re tread
Speaker 1: um like retread material and they struggle with that a
Speaker 1: little bit because it's not the only thing doing this anymore,
Speaker 1: And they are going back to a subject matter that
Speaker 1: they just touched on and it was not one of
Speaker 1: their better seasons. It was Jeff Fisher, So that's a difference.
Speaker 1: But I would be curious how this came about. Number one,
Speaker 1: you know, how much did the pandemic impact um it
Speaker 1: didn't have an impact on teams not wanting to do it,
Speaker 1: and how did how did the decision get made. Is
Speaker 1: it something where hey, we need to push the rams
Speaker 1: and the chargers or is it a situation that they've
Speaker 1: run out of teams that are willing or want to
Speaker 1: do it? And yeah, you have that list of teams
Speaker 1: that you can force to do it, but I think
Speaker 1: the NFL films has generally tried to avoid truly forcing
Speaker 1: a team that didn't have agreement, certainly on the ownership level.
Speaker 1: And is this like, are they to the only teams
Speaker 1: that were down to do it? You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: There's no way that they'll ever give that answer. I mean,
Speaker 1: get rid of this whole thing with the rules for
Speaker 1: hard knocks. I mean, it's the whole thing. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's I mean I have no idea, but
Speaker 1: if you're gonna, if you're gonna tell me that a
Speaker 1: Rams Chargers co joint. And remember the Tyrod Taylor. Everybody
Speaker 1: likes Tyrod. We saw him on the Brown's Hard Knox
Speaker 1: two years ago, Aaron Donald, Jared Goff. We learned about
Speaker 1: him on the Rams Hard Knocks and oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: the Rams All or Nothing season that that followed directly
Speaker 1: after that. Um, I just I'm just wondering where Hard
Speaker 1: Knocks is going forward. Um, when it's clear to me
Speaker 1: that this idea that the teams could be compelled to
Speaker 1: do it well, the Steelers should be doing it, or
Speaker 1: the or or the Cardinals should be doing it, people
Speaker 1: would be more interested in that. Maybe you're right, Greg,
Speaker 1: maybe there's more because of the unprecedented times that they
Speaker 1: just said, let's stick with these two local teams and
Speaker 1: make it work that way. But yeah, as you could tell,
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit worked up about it because I
Speaker 1: love the show. I love right about the show, and
Speaker 1: it makes me worry about the future of the show.
Speaker 1: The pathage, I mean, Dan, you will get an opportunity
Speaker 1: to write about and a critical um almost unsolved mysteries
Speaker 1: type update as to whether Jared Goff is aware of
Speaker 1: which side of the earth the sun rises from where
Speaker 1: he's standing at this point. That see, we need that
Speaker 1: update and you made the you made the good point
Speaker 1: mark that the show, by its very nature can feel
Speaker 1: repetitive sometimes if you watched every season, there are certain
Speaker 1: tropes to hard knocks. When you take the that format
Speaker 1: of the show and then marry it with a team
Speaker 1: you just did, look out Well. The show is ultimately
Speaker 1: about buying. Are the players buying into the coach? Are
Speaker 1: the assistant coaches buying into the head coach? Are the
Speaker 1: players buying into the quarterback? Are the viewers buying into
Speaker 1: the angles that the show once? And I think it's
Speaker 1: fair for you, Dan to question to buy in if
Speaker 1: you feel like it's a little bit promotional. Mm hm,
Speaker 1: we should stop here. Let's move on. We have some
Speaker 1: new we have some new uniforms to talk about. Let's
Speaker 1: start in eight. Nobody calls at a town. Uh. But
Speaker 1: do people call it a t L? I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I can tell you this. The Falcons have a
Speaker 1: new uniform and they have a T L across the
Speaker 1: front of it. This is a new fad. UH. Teams
Speaker 1: putting the city of the Jets did it, the Browns
Speaker 1: did it. I don't know if it's gonna stay with
Speaker 1: the new Browns uniform reveal, Um, but it says a
Speaker 1: T L across the jersey. It's uh. I guess there's
Speaker 1: some other changes to it. The logo looks like it's
Speaker 1: the same. Steve, your thoughts on this? What are people
Speaker 1: saying down in your neck of the woods. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: my kids, having grown up mainly in Atlanta when I
Speaker 1: used to cover the Falcons f Atlanta General Constitution, are
Speaker 1: huge Falcons fans. They were kind of about it, but
Speaker 1: I mean they ripped off the jersey idea from the
Speaker 1: Atlanta Hawks, one of the NBA's premier franchise. So I'm
Speaker 1: the Hawks have a t l over it, Like, come on,
Speaker 1: I mean, come up with something. You know. Someone made
Speaker 1: a great point. I believe it was Ross Tucker who said,
Speaker 1: you can kind of tell a lot about franchise when
Speaker 1: they continue to change their uniforms, you know, every four
Speaker 1: or five years, And the Falcons have done this a
Speaker 1: few times. I don't get it. Um. I'm sure the
Speaker 1: merchandizing and all that, but the all white uniforms are
Speaker 1: kind of slick. I'm a big, you know, all white
Speaker 1: uniform guy, but the other ones look, you know, very
Speaker 1: Arena football league. That's why I thought it said a
Speaker 1: f L across the front and not eight. That's I
Speaker 1: feel like that's the number West. I'm sure you picked
Speaker 1: up on this too. That's the number one put down
Speaker 1: teams get when they release new uniforms. Now immediately people
Speaker 1: say it looks like an Arena Football League team. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: And and I think that's an astute point that the
Speaker 1: teams that change their uniforms every few years are the
Speaker 1: same teams changing their defensive scheme, their coaches, their general
Speaker 1: managers change every couple of years. Hey, you guys are
Speaker 1: right on this. My my one rule when it comes
Speaker 1: to uniform changes, because it seems also like, hey, this
Speaker 1: other team in our division just did it, we gotta
Speaker 1: do it too. There's a little bit of a fashion
Speaker 1: catch up um scenario that I don't appreciate. But by
Speaker 1: the way, if you're gonna roll out new uniforms in
Speaker 1: and you're a team that's had five or six iterations
Speaker 1: of this, my rule is they better look better than
Speaker 1: all the ones before. And and that's just not the
Speaker 1: case with too many of these these revisions. I mean
Speaker 1: this one to me. Um, I'm waiting for the Falcons
Speaker 1: to change it again. All right, here is the miss
Speaker 1: of from Arthur Blank, owner of the Falcons. We've stayed
Speaker 1: true to our roots by keeping our colors and the
Speaker 1: Falcon bird intact, making it even more prominent than ever before,
Speaker 1: but delivering a more modern design that reflects our team,
Speaker 1: our fans, and this great city. Black has been a
Speaker 1: part of our history since nineteen sixty six, and both
Speaker 1: our fans and players have asked us to bring it back.
Speaker 1: I like the black, the black tops, and the white,
Speaker 1: the white pants with the red shirt. I think that
Speaker 1: looks good. Other than that red shirt, I'm fine with it.
Speaker 1: The red one is rough. All right. Let's move out
Speaker 1: to the other new jersey, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who
Speaker 1: have they waved goodbye Mark and West. I know you're
Speaker 1: gonna be very upset. Abo. They waved goodbye to the
Speaker 1: alarm clock numbers on their jersey. Uh and the block
Speaker 1: numbers as they call history. UM. No more traditional full
Speaker 1: length stripes. UM. They decided, five years after launching that
Speaker 1: alarm clock uniform that they need to do it again.
Speaker 1: So here it is a new uniform set. What do
Speaker 1: you guys think about this one? Go ahead, West, I'm
Speaker 1: happy to have the offensive, vomit inducing road uniforms out
Speaker 1: of my life. I don't love their new road road uniforms,
Speaker 1: but I like the all white home ones and the
Speaker 1: all Pewter color Rush ones are beautiful. I love though. Wow,
Speaker 1: I like this West. The passion. Yeah, I'd like you know.
Speaker 1: I am a big fan of what the Bucks did
Speaker 1: compared to where they were a day ago. M I
Speaker 1: see it right now. Nick Chook on Twitter has the
Speaker 1: all Pewter and I agree it looks great. Mark your thoughts, Well,
Speaker 1: I agree that it is an improvement. Um, the white
Speaker 1: on white I think look great. I'm the the What
Speaker 1: I would have wanted to see was the helmet decale
Speaker 1: dealt with to some degree on it appeared to have
Speaker 1: gotten larger, which was not my request. Um. Everyone seems
Speaker 1: to love Peter on Pewter. I think it's a cool look.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not there emotionally with everyone else. I
Speaker 1: think they took steps to improve it, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: a massive drastic overhaul, but it it any improvement off
Speaker 1: of what it was, Um is okay by me. I'm
Speaker 1: into the gray ones. Does the gray gray on, you know,
Speaker 1: the gray with the pewter forget. That's my favorite, one
Speaker 1: of the of either of these uniform ones. All right,
Speaker 1: So it sounds like we like it like the Bucks
Speaker 1: and Greg is a color blind individual, so that a
Speaker 1: special big fan of gray. So what do we want
Speaker 1: to get? We give the Bucks? What a B B
Speaker 1: P plus and falcons? And Steve, what are we doing
Speaker 1: for falcons? Yeah? They're they're they're d I mean, just
Speaker 1: the rim off the way time you rip off the
Speaker 1: Atlanta Hawks. Man, It's like an amazing sticking point. I
Speaker 1: love it. Also, like you shouldn't put your the airline
Speaker 1: code on your jersey. It's okay in the NBA, but
Speaker 1: you know, those journeys are taken wife taking off the
Speaker 1: Arthur Blank Christmas card list as we speak. Well, hey, Steve,
Speaker 1: do you have real quick on this? Do you have
Speaker 1: any insight you're plugged in, gentleman in the league? Um,
Speaker 1: any insight on what's going on with this um possible
Speaker 1: virtual mock draft? How this is gonna go down? If
Speaker 1: you talk to anybody who heard anything? Or is this
Speaker 1: all just you've read about it like everybody else. Oh man,
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you took that turn. So I thought
Speaker 1: you're gonna talk about the new RAMS logo. No, I mean, look,
Speaker 1: the main thing you know that we're hearing here is
Speaker 1: there are the concerns if there canna be technical glitches
Speaker 1: you know, during trades and all this. Um. And you know,
Speaker 1: League is gonna have special circumstances for this. But I'm
Speaker 1: why is that a concern Because every draft up to
Speaker 1: this point, people have picked up a telephone and made
Speaker 1: a phone call and made the trade. You don't make
Speaker 1: trades over zoom. You don't make trades over video conferencing.
Speaker 1: So I don't understand why that aspect of it has
Speaker 1: all of a sudden become a concern. Um. So you know,
Speaker 1: again that's kind of the big hang up. But yeah,
Speaker 1: they're gonna do all of the glitch testing. They're gonna
Speaker 1: do make sure everything is rock solid. Uh. And I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna be interesting what type of production it is
Speaker 1: because players are gonna be having cameras and their locations
Speaker 1: for reaction. Um. You know, so so just how they're
Speaker 1: gonna do all the production with it. But the big concern,
Speaker 1: like I said, seems to be that there could be
Speaker 1: glitches with trades and things like that, and again special circumstances,
Speaker 1: these teams will be given I guess, special time to
Speaker 1: work things out. But I just don't see why that's
Speaker 1: an issue now when you can just pick up the
Speaker 1: phone and make a deal like they've always done. It
Speaker 1: struck me as a I mean, there's a pr angle
Speaker 1: to it where there's all these you know in Twitter.
Speaker 1: Twitter commands a lot of stuff out there, and there's
Speaker 1: all these whipper snappers telling us how funny it's gonna
Speaker 1: be when g M. A um is unable to make
Speaker 1: a pick because he can't log into his computer, which
Speaker 1: is just utter nonsense to me. For the way the
Speaker 1: I t support they all have. And it's a pr
Speaker 1: angle to say where a it makes sense just to
Speaker 1: just test it out and go ahead and do it.
Speaker 1: Have fun. But like we tried, we we took precautions
Speaker 1: versus hey, we did nothing, and then you know, round
Speaker 1: two melted on national television for whatever reason. Uh, And
Speaker 1: we never we never saw this coming because we are
Speaker 1: most of us are age fifty five and above. I
Speaker 1: would just like to point out that all mock drafts,
Speaker 1: which you see every day on Twitter. Every single mock
Speaker 1: draft is a virtual So you're telling me you're having
Speaker 1: a mock mock draft, and it blows my mind and
Speaker 1: I have no idea how that would be done. It
Speaker 1: kind of the universe is gonna collapse in on itself
Speaker 1: against so what and you It would be amazing. By
Speaker 1: the way, if they use the actual players from this
Speaker 1: draft class and guys are giving away state secrets because
Speaker 1: they're so worried about I T issues, I would get.
Speaker 1: What are they gonna do is stave like us the
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen draft class as the as the examples for
Speaker 1: who do you who to pick? I'm curious how that
Speaker 1: all goes down. Yeah, it's a weird time. But I
Speaker 1: think the cool part about this is for years, guys,
Speaker 1: and we've heard it. Oh the combine, these pro days
Speaker 1: and these visits, they're all just fact checks to the
Speaker 1: in person study, the practice study, and the film study. Well,
Speaker 1: now that's what these teams are gonna have to rely on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're doing video conferences with these draft prospects. But these
Speaker 1: teams with the good scouting departments are going to be revealed,
Speaker 1: as are the teams with with shallow scouting departments. And
Speaker 1: I've talked to a lot of people about this, and
Speaker 1: they're really interested to see because some teams hire information
Speaker 1: gatherers as opposed to football guys, and um, you know,
Speaker 1: these teams that don't have a lot of deep connections
Speaker 1: UM on who to check back background for, for character
Speaker 1: witnesses and things like that, those are the teams that
Speaker 1: are gonna miss. And there's gonna be some misses in
Speaker 1: this as there are in every draft. But you know,
Speaker 1: the people kind of under the hood a little bit
Speaker 1: are saying this is where some team scouting staff scouting
Speaker 1: staffs are really gonna be revealed. I mean, we'll get
Speaker 1: some amazing finger pointing coming out of this. UM. You know,
Speaker 1: for months and months and years as certain prospects melt
Speaker 1: off the grid and the gms, some of these gms
Speaker 1: will use it as an excuse. I'm sure as well.
Speaker 1: You know, I know I blew the draft, but you
Speaker 1: know we were facing challenges that no time. Um. Finally
Speaker 1: in the news Jadeveon Clowney, Yes see where was he
Speaker 1: when you first put out the top one oh one? Um?
Speaker 1: Greg and West three? I think behind and Dak number
Speaker 1: three on the top one free agents still on the
Speaker 1: street looking for a gig. Mike Garafolo of NFL Network
Speaker 1: reported at this point Clowney resigning and Seattle appears to
Speaker 1: be a long shot. I think there's been Uh. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people thought this that the way
Speaker 1: this market is playing out, that Clowney would maybe end
Speaker 1: up back in Seattle. But according to Garret follow uh,
Speaker 1: and he's good with this stuff as well. Uh, that's
Speaker 1: not the case. Mark. The Browns are connected to Clowney.
Speaker 1: I'm curious your thoughts on that. Do you think that
Speaker 1: would be good for Obviously I'm papered. It seems great
Speaker 1: if you lined them up across from Miles Garrett. But
Speaker 1: his Clowney a guy that you'd want to pay eighteen
Speaker 1: million a year and hope that he maxes out his potential.
Speaker 1: What's not to like? I think they'd lead the league
Speaker 1: in cap room right now. Um, their roster, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to fall for what I felt for
Speaker 1: last year, but the roster is, um pretty juicy. They
Speaker 1: definitely could use help on defense, you know, last night,
Speaker 1: because because it sounds like we're gonna be in our
Speaker 1: house forever. We purchased an Xbox and I played Madden
Speaker 1: for the first time in about twenty years and dropped
Speaker 1: the thirty five to seven bomb on the Seahawks. What
Speaker 1: if you add Clowney to the team? I was playing
Speaker 1: last night, all bombs away. We're going sixteen to know
Speaker 1: and right through the playoffs in vertical reality times? All right?
Speaker 1: What about for what? What's not to like? He had
Speaker 1: three sacks last year, he missed more times with injury. Uh,
Speaker 1: he would. He would cost a ton of money. There's
Speaker 1: been questions about his motivation level, whether he's always their
Speaker 1: motor wise. I think it's a one year a one
Speaker 1: year deal, though, I think I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: there's been much question about his motor you know, on
Speaker 1: the field. I mean maybe there's some Bill O'Brien, which
Speaker 1: is maybe more about Bill O'Brien like whispers back in
Speaker 1: the day in terms of his off season. But the
Speaker 1: crazy thing with the Browns is they have Olivier Vernon
Speaker 1: still on the team. We we kind of expected him
Speaker 1: to get cut and it's a perfect situation for the Browns.
Speaker 1: I do because I think if you bring in Clowney,
Speaker 1: you probably get rid of Vernon, and so whether they
Speaker 1: get him or not, they're they're fine. No, no, guys,
Speaker 1: he's not he's not fit for that team. I mean,
Speaker 1: you could say it's a one year did it would
Speaker 1: have to be on a one year deal because I
Speaker 1: think that's what he's doing now, right I think it's
Speaker 1: I think it would be a one year thing. But
Speaker 1: you don't think it's a fit as a player or
Speaker 1: as a person. Know that that locker room is a tinderbox.
Speaker 1: Um you they're still going through changes up top. I
Speaker 1: think they need you know, Clownie is not a big personality,
Speaker 1: but he is one of those athletes that carries you know,
Speaker 1: by a mood. You know, people kind of work around
Speaker 1: him a little bit. I just don't think for that
Speaker 1: team right now, they need to add another big name,
Speaker 1: another big personality. I think they need to get and
Speaker 1: not saying Jadeveon Clowne, who I really like, not saying
Speaker 1: he's not a lunch pale type of guy. But if
Speaker 1: they're gonna make a move, I'd go more for an
Speaker 1: Everson Griffin type. Um who's just a solid and that's
Speaker 1: Olivia Vernon. Olivia Vernon is a younger younger version, um,
Speaker 1: more expensive version than Everson Griffin, But I would go
Speaker 1: there instead of adding him into that locker room right now,
Speaker 1: they they've got to get their arms around the culture
Speaker 1: of that building, and I just think having a few
Speaker 1: lower profile guys would help in that regard. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: win the offseason again if they get clowney, But I
Speaker 1: totally I feel the same way Steve that that that
Speaker 1: feels like a day dress move. I don't know. Um. Finally,
Speaker 1: before we say goodbye, Steve, you um sat down with
Speaker 1: Alabama quarterback to Uh Tagalo Lvilla Tongua viola to l
Speaker 1: uh and Um, you got some information about how he's feeling.
Speaker 1: But what what are the other What's the kind of
Speaker 1: vibe you got, uh face to face with this kid
Speaker 1: who obviously is someone that a lot of people believe
Speaker 1: goes in the top five maybe in the draft. Um
Speaker 1: and so fascinating, but also of course the injury history
Speaker 1: of the ways college career ended. What's your vibe after
Speaker 1: meeting with him? Well, look, I I've known it for
Speaker 1: a while and the family for a while, and you
Speaker 1: know he's he's the real deal. You know, guys, you
Speaker 1: all know Kurt Warner and just how genuine of a
Speaker 1: human being he is. And and two is very much
Speaker 1: that guy. He's he's his own man um and he's
Speaker 1: just so wise. And one of the things in the
Speaker 1: interview that really struck me, you know, I said, how
Speaker 1: are these video interviews going? He says, they're great. Some
Speaker 1: teams have their owners involved. Um, you've got a lot
Speaker 1: of different leadership, He's like. But the thing I gather
Speaker 1: is I can tell the culture of what's going on
Speaker 1: by some of the things that are set. So I said,
Speaker 1: are you finding that out by questions you ask or
Speaker 1: just kind of reading the tea leaves? These is some
Speaker 1: of this from the questions I asked with some of
Speaker 1: it's from the things they say and they don't say,
Speaker 1: so that kind of lets you know, this is a
Speaker 1: guy who's radar is always up right, whether he's he's
Speaker 1: judging these types of things on the field off the field. Um.
Speaker 1: I've got a huge long form piece coming out on
Speaker 1: him in the next couple of days on NFL dot Com.
Speaker 1: I really get into a lot of these a lot
Speaker 1: of things just about him and and a lot of
Speaker 1: his things in his life and where things are headed.
Speaker 1: But he's just so smart that you know, any team
Speaker 1: that gets him, I get it. The medical is is
Speaker 1: a legitimate thing. You you have got to be sure
Speaker 1: one way or another. But if you don't draft him
Speaker 1: and he'd be comes Drew Brees, another guy who had
Speaker 1: a medical history, that's gonna cost people their jobs. Um.
Speaker 1: So whether Miami is throwing up all these smoke screens
Speaker 1: about liking Justin Herbert, I've I've heard the same thing.
Speaker 1: A lot of folks are hearing these people in the
Speaker 1: building like like Herbert better. Um. But if they pass
Speaker 1: on him and he gets to the Chargers and he
Speaker 1: becomes big for the Chargers, that's that's just one of
Speaker 1: those situations you never know. Um. But he's somebody who's
Speaker 1: very very deep. Um, but not in one of the
Speaker 1: eclectic deep ways. You know. You hear a lot of quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: but they say over analyzed and overthink things. Joey Harrington
Speaker 1: comes to mind, guy had all the tools, but just
Speaker 1: overexamined every last thing too. Is not that guy, um.
Speaker 1: But um, when the piece comes out, you'll find a
Speaker 1: lot of really interesting things said about him by coaches
Speaker 1: who've had to face him and deal with him, and
Speaker 1: just you understand where a lot of this comes from.
Speaker 1: Because he's a very spiritual kid, and I think someone
Speaker 1: who wherever he goes, he's gonna be such a winner
Speaker 1: in the community and such a win in the locker
Speaker 1: room that even if he is somewhat limited, he's just
Speaker 1: gonna be such a such a positive force. Um, he's
Speaker 1: going to help out any ball club. Get them Chargers.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the move, Get them Chargers, that's the move.
Speaker 1: I keep saying it to Rosie, I keep saying it.
Speaker 1: But you know, if the Dolphins let the Chargers jump,
Speaker 1: move up till number five and assume it's gonna be there.
Speaker 1: It sounds like if teams are talking to him, are
Speaker 1: they not mesmerized with it? With the persons side of it, Uh? Insane.
Speaker 1: We gotta get up above number five to make this happen. Well,
Speaker 1: we just talked with Schreegor. Schreeger said yesterday that in
Speaker 1: his talks with people around the league, there's there's less
Speaker 1: of a feeling and a certainty about how coveted he is.
Speaker 1: And the idea of the Lions, who a lot of
Speaker 1: people point to as a team that might trade back, well,
Speaker 1: they might not have the partner. People expect that's that
Speaker 1: obviously could all be draft smoke right now, but he's
Speaker 1: kind of a fascinating prospect from that aspect as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if a team that's so
Speaker 1: he has to jump up. I mean, I think that's
Speaker 1: kind of what we're seeing right now, is that he
Speaker 1: might be there at five four Miami. And here's the thing,
Speaker 1: should he take a dip, should he get past five
Speaker 1: or maybe even past the charges, which would be just mouthfeasance.
Speaker 1: If he does, look for the Raiders thought, look for
Speaker 1: the Raiders to be a team to come up and
Speaker 1: make a move. You know, I've heard spoken to people
Speaker 1: there could there could be some interest there. They're they're
Speaker 1: they're not gonna make the huge leap to come up
Speaker 1: and get him. But if he starts to slip there,
Speaker 1: they're a team that's that's gonna get an itchy trigger
Speaker 1: finger and he would be huge there. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota is like a big brother to him. We
Speaker 1: know they just signed him to be David Carr's back up.
Speaker 1: We still don't know what's gonna I mean, Derek Carr's
Speaker 1: back up, and we still don't know what happens with him.
Speaker 1: The Patriots are still out there is a team that
Speaker 1: could pull a trigger on a trade. Um, So we
Speaker 1: really don't know. But the two a story. We're talking
Speaker 1: about him so much because there's just so many different
Speaker 1: things that can happen um with him, just because teams
Speaker 1: are afraid of the medical and they can't get their
Speaker 1: hands on him because of the pandemic. Well, Steve, you
Speaker 1: you like the kid, You're You're tight with the family,
Speaker 1: so out of respect for you, man, I respect so much,
Speaker 1: I am going to pronounce his last name correctly effective immediately,
Speaker 1: tongue go vay, lola bang, well done, and I will
Speaker 1: never get it wrong ever again. That's my promise to you,
Speaker 1: Steve Wisch. It's not just a good head of hair.
Speaker 1: You can tell that to uh to d uh Steve Weise,
Speaker 1: you you've said it all. You came on and uh
Speaker 1: like every time you're on the Around the NFL podcast,
Speaker 1: I mean, you just hit out of the park. You
Speaker 1: guys are the best. Man. I love being on and
Speaker 1: really appreciate love you guys, and I hope you're staying
Speaker 1: safe and your families are all good you too, Stephen,
Speaker 1: keep up the prison workouts and stay safe and I
Speaker 1: hope to see you back in the office. Oh my
Speaker 1: goodness before too long. And a reminder of everybody our
Speaker 1: Twitter show uh that we're doing on Friday. We're kind
Speaker 1: of launching it. It's a season kind of a week
Speaker 1: in review type show. Make sure you you check it out.
Speaker 1: It is on at one pm Pacific, four pm Eastern
Speaker 1: and what would that be eight o'clock in the UK,
Speaker 1: nine o'clock in that range, live on Twitter. We're gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna try it out and we're excited to see
Speaker 1: how it goes. Could be a disaster, if for no
Speaker 1: other reason than to see, uh, the idea of doing
Speaker 1: a live Twitter show fully produced with people across our
Speaker 1: city UM working on the production elements of it, that
Speaker 1: it could go terribly wrong. Check the show out just
Speaker 1: for that reason. Forget about the football and talking the
Speaker 1: mirth Uh Friday, Uh, four pm Eastern, one pm Pacific.
Speaker 1: That's it. Good night. Nice follow up comments, guys, Um,
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