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Speaker 1: what's going on? DJ, Bucky here for Move the Sticks?

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Speaker 1: Buck on back State side here at nice trip over

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Speaker 1: to London. But Matt, We've got so much content this

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Speaker 1: doing great, man, I'm doing great. I am always up

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Speaker 1: about the Monday night game. I gotta figure out what

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Speaker 1: the New York Giants were doing throughout the game, particularly

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Speaker 1: it comes to time manage. Amari Cooper going to Dallas.

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Speaker 1: Interesting trade on both sides, best landing spot for Patrick Peterson,

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Speaker 1: then finally we're gonna talk about your trip to London.

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Speaker 1: What did you learn? I can't wait to hear all

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Speaker 1: night football game last night. A weird game, right, Falcons

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Speaker 1: the NBA? Does you know? Being five hundred the NBA

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Speaker 1: does you nothing? Um? And I think the NFL is similar.

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Speaker 1: You you want to get up there and get impact

431
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Speaker 1: blue chip players. Man, the Oakland Raiders are on their way.

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Speaker 1: If they come out of that with that dude from

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Speaker 1: Ohio State and hit on a couple of the guys

434
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Speaker 1: and maybe we'll all look back on this and say

435
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Speaker 1: that John Gruden was smarter than everybody else who knows.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we'll see, we'll see. But I don't have

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Speaker 1: a lot of faith. I don't have a lot of

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Speaker 1: faith in to play in in in the Picker. And

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Speaker 1: I know Rerigy mackenzie, hear you the biggest cult Miller

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Speaker 1: fan in his show. Did you see did you see

441
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Speaker 1: what they were doing to Colton Miller the other day? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's not it's not very and they were sitting him down,

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Speaker 1: sitting nice him down. I mean, yeah, those those pass

444
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Speaker 1: rushers were not playing well with others. That was on

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Speaker 1: their report. Let's get to uh, let's get to another

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Speaker 1: name that's out there in Patrick Peterson. Um Cardinals come out,

447
00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,800
Speaker 1: Steve Wolkes come out, said he's not getting traded. Patrick

448
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Speaker 1: Peterson has made it known he's requestsed trade, he wants

449
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Speaker 1: to be traded. I believe his brother in law has

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Speaker 1: gone online and said McFadden, who play in the NFL

451
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Speaker 1: for a long time, has gone online and said that

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Speaker 1: the Saints are his preferred destination. Source Patrick Peterson. Uh

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Speaker 1: so we know kind of where he'd like to go. Now,

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Speaker 1: the Saints don't have a first round pick next year.

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Speaker 1: They traded it UH in this past draft to get

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Speaker 1: up there and at Marcus Davenport. But there's a bunch

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Speaker 1: of teams I think it would definitely be interested in Peterson.

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Speaker 1: So I love this one out on Twitter, and of

459
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Speaker 1: course people lost their minds. I think the you know,

460
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Speaker 1: the think outside the box level on Twitter and nuance

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Speaker 1: is definitely lost. But this was what I proposed because

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Speaker 1: if you're Arizona, you have to sell that you won

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Speaker 1: the trade, right, so the way you saw you won

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Speaker 1: the trades, we got two first round picks about Khalil Mack.

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Speaker 1: The Raiders got two first round picks. Now, the thing

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Speaker 1: that I would advocate for, say, okay, you don't want

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Speaker 1: to give up two first round picks for a corner.

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Speaker 1: I get that you talk about quarterbacks, pastors, there's those

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Speaker 1: are the guys that demand the big time compensation. But

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Speaker 1: just hear me out here, I said, nineteen first round pick,

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Speaker 1: and this is only for a handful of teams. So

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about teams that feel like they're one player

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Speaker 1: away from winning the Super Bowl. UH nineteen and two thousand,

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Speaker 1: twenty first round picks. The two first round picks UH

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Speaker 1: and UH, and then it would be a fourth round

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Speaker 1: pick the in UH in two thousand nineteen as well.

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Speaker 1: So you're giving up two ones and a four. You're

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Speaker 1: getting Patrick Peterson back and next year's second round pick

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Speaker 1: from the Cardinals, which as it states right now, Buck,

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Speaker 1: it is probably gon to be picked thirty three, thirty four,

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Speaker 1: thirty five. So if you win the Super Bowl, you're

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Speaker 1: picking thirty two, Arizona could have the first pick in

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Speaker 1: the draft they're picking. You've really swapped one spot. So

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Speaker 1: then the compensation, truly when you look at it, is

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Speaker 1: a one and a four. So you have to ask yourself,

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Speaker 1: would you give up a one and a four for

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Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson? And my other point was, look, if you

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Speaker 1: have a if you have a good GM, I creative GM,

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Speaker 1: you know how easy it is when you're picking in

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Speaker 1: the second round to trade back nine ten spot, you

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Speaker 1: have four or five guys are still there that you love,

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Speaker 1: You trade back ten spots, you pick up a fourth

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Speaker 1: round pick like that, you can recover that fourth round pick,

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Speaker 1: no problem. That you're basically trading You're getting Patrick Peterson

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Speaker 1: for a first round pick. That that's the way I

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Speaker 1: kind of creatively look at it. It's a way the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals can sell they won the trade. They got two

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Speaker 1: first round picks. Rah rah rah. You know everybody thinks

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Speaker 1: that they won the trade. But I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: that costly for a guy who is still, if not

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Speaker 1: the best player in this position, one of the three

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Speaker 1: best players at this position, has heightweight, speed, the size

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Speaker 1: to match up with bigger guys. His character, leadership off

504
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Speaker 1: the field, awesome, everything you've ever heard about Patrick Peterson

505
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Speaker 1: off the charts. That's the finishing piece, and you're like

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Speaker 1: a team like Kansas City and that wins you a

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Speaker 1: championship piece, that finishing piece, just to ensure it. That's

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Speaker 1: super Bowl insurance, is what I would call there with

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Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson. I think I do it. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's necessarily a bad idea. I think the

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Speaker 1: big thing is, you know, you're getting to play in

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Speaker 1: this probme. You're getting improven player're getting a player who

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Speaker 1: has done it um at the highest level, and you

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Speaker 1: have to feel good about that part of it. UM.

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Speaker 1: It's just a matter of what you want to give

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Speaker 1: up and also who are you willing to outbid for it.

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Speaker 1: I think when we talk about the Mari Cooper trade.

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Speaker 1: People were going crazy because it's the first round pick.

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Speaker 1: But if it's on record, and they reported that maybe

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Speaker 1: the Philip he was in some other teams that offered

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Speaker 1: a two form. You have to kind of win the

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Speaker 1: deal if you want to get it. So you gotta

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Speaker 1: be able to you gotta you have to be willing

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Speaker 1: to pay the price. And you can't be afraid. You

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Speaker 1: can't just hold all the picks because at some points

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Speaker 1: those picks have to become players. I know what I'm

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Speaker 1: getting in Patrick Peterson. I'll take the player over the

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Speaker 1: pick because I knew exactly what I'm getting on the field. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and people said he's twenty years old, he is still

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Speaker 1: playing at an elite level. And I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: if you look at this, like he's a physical face

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Speaker 1: one of the most physically talented kids ever come into

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Speaker 1: the worst case scenario. Okay, so he's twenty seven, twenty

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Speaker 1: eight years old, So let's just say he stays into

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Speaker 1: until he's thirty one in terms of staying kind of

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Speaker 1: in his prompt we that's three years. Like, that's that's

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Speaker 1: kind of what we expect. That's what we expect. The

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Speaker 1: lifespan of NFL player, Like, I'm fine with that. I'm

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Speaker 1: willing to take that chance that he's going to play

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Speaker 1: well thirty and maybe thirty one he begins to show

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Speaker 1: slides and telling off, oh well, I'm good with that

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Speaker 1: at buck and by the way, having you know, seeing

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Speaker 1: what Rod Woodson did in his career, you're trying and

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Speaker 1: tell me that at thirty one, thirty two, worst case scenario,

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Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson is in a Pro Bowl safety cross train

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Speaker 1: back there easy. That was one of the questions when

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Speaker 1: he was coming out. Is he a corner? Is he

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Speaker 1: a safety? A lot of people had him as a

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Speaker 1: safety on their draft board. Yeah, because I'm I'll be

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Speaker 1: honest with you, like he has played much better at

551
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Speaker 1: corner than I ever imagine. I thought he was a

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Speaker 1: great athlete at L s U. I thought he was

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Speaker 1: a terrific pump returner. I wasn't a high on him

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Speaker 1: as some when it came to like playing corner because

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Speaker 1: I feel like he has some flaws in his game

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Speaker 1: when it came to kind of being a little handsy

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Speaker 1: and those things. Terrific athlete, um, I do believe he

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Speaker 1: does have the football. Like you to move back to

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Speaker 1: safety and be a big time player. We've seen Charlotte.

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Speaker 1: We've seen guys Rob Wilson, Charles Wilson, guys who understand

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Speaker 1: the game be able to make that move and continue

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Speaker 1: to make plays in the middle of the field. I

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Speaker 1: absolutely believe he could transition to be a solid free

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Speaker 1: safety as he gets old and older, uh, in his career.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think there would be any adjustment period.

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Speaker 1: Now people come out there, Okay, you go to a

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Speaker 1: new team, how do you fit in? How do you adjust?

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Speaker 1: He can play any coverage, he can play press, he

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Speaker 1: can play off. He'll learn what you want to do

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Speaker 1: with him in two seconds. It would be an immediate

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Speaker 1: you know, fill in and just just rock and roll

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Speaker 1: with Patrick Peterson. Upgrade your position there. So, um, Matt, like,

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Speaker 1: I know, I get it. You know, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of really really smart football people that will tell you, um,

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Speaker 1: you don't you know, Khalil Mack is a pass rusher.

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Speaker 1: I get it. Uh, you can overpay for pass rushers.

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Speaker 1: You can overpay for quarterbacks. They'd be u into overpay

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Speaker 1: for a corner. I think this is just a little

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Speaker 1: bit different. I think this is a unique situation. I

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Speaker 1: do believe it's a unique situation. I believe you have

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Speaker 1: to go for it, and I believe you won of

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Speaker 1: those teams that understands the need that you have and

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Speaker 1: you're looking for a playmaker, difference maker. I think Pat

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Speaker 1: Peterson is only one of only a handful of guys

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Speaker 1: that are out there available they can can make it

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Speaker 1: happen at corner. I believe you have to go all

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Speaker 1: out to make it happen. All right, let's let's get

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Speaker 1: into my trip to London here, Buck, I know you're

589
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Speaker 1: going there and in just a couple of weeks. First

590
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Speaker 1: of all, great city, beautiful city, um, clean and people

591
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Speaker 1: were friendly and great food. The weather was phenomenal. I

592
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Speaker 1: know it rains a lot over there. We had just

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Speaker 1: a perfect weather for a couple of days. I was there.

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Speaker 1: Handsome Hank Henry, our good buddy Henry Hotchins showed me

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Speaker 1: and money around, give us kind of a private tour

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Speaker 1: of the city. Had a great time. Um and I

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Speaker 1: want to get We'll get into the NFL stuff over

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Speaker 1: there in just a second. But my favorite thing I

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Speaker 1: did I went to a town English Premier League match there.

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Speaker 1: Went and saw chis Man United, which was about that.

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Speaker 1: Oh it was so much fun. But on the way

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Speaker 1: over there, I started watching and the All or Nothing series.

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Speaker 1: Uh they did on Mansion on man City Manchester City,

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Speaker 1: which is a Premier League team over there. And you

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Speaker 1: know me, buck, I know nothing about soccer, so I

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Speaker 1: kind of wanted to, you know, download this and think

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Speaker 1: it's like ten episodes' about four in just trying to

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Speaker 1: learn the system over there and how how it works.

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Speaker 1: I've always wanted all these different leagues, how does it

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Speaker 1: all come together? Um? And uh, it really really would

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Speaker 1: highly recommend it. It's a it's a lot of fun

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Speaker 1: that All or Nothings in the NFL on the Rams,

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals, the Cowboys are great. Um, Buck, you need

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Speaker 1: to watch this one when you get that long flight

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Speaker 1: over there. I recommend it. It's fantastic about it and

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Speaker 1: and you can you kind of learn about how the

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Speaker 1: system works there. One of the things I love is

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Speaker 1: the academies, um that each of these Premier League teams

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Speaker 1: have for these kids starting really young. And it got

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Speaker 1: me thinking talking about people worry about the you know,

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Speaker 1: developed the participation levels in football being a little bit

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Speaker 1: down at the youth levels. Wouldn't it be a great

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Speaker 1: initiative if they just take all thirty two teams in

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Speaker 1: the NFL started their own youth academy higher coaches. Now,

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Speaker 1: I know you get very involved in the in the

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Speaker 1: flag football scene, the seven on seven circuit that goes

627
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Speaker 1: in the off season, but why not have it sanctioned

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Speaker 1: through the NFL with the individual teams that that kind

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Speaker 1: of collect some of these most talented players in these

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Speaker 1: NFL cities and you start giving them like they do

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Speaker 1: with those academies over there. You start giving these kids

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Speaker 1: not only good football instruction, you start giving them the

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Speaker 1: proper nutrition, the proper training. Um you know in terms

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Speaker 1: of of of what you eventually get into weights, but eventually,

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Speaker 1: you know, you're just developing them physically. You're teaching them diet,

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Speaker 1: you're teaching them healthy habits, you're teaching them the game.

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Speaker 1: You're getting them in the in the film room. I

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Speaker 1: don't need to do that with a six or seven

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Speaker 1: year old. But we get to be eleven or twelve,

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Speaker 1: I think, why not and have you have thirty two

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Speaker 1: of those academies teams in those cities competing in their

642
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Speaker 1: own you know, Pop Warner leagues or flag leads to

643
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Speaker 1: be a part of that program. I think it would

644
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: be awesome. I mean, it would be kind of cool.

645
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: I'm I'm always been fascinated by the development program that

646
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: they have in the soccer programs overseas at the high level,

647
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: like how they are able to identify young players, how

648
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: they train young players, and they kind of have a

649
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 1: plan in place for their guys to go. I think

650
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: there's something certainly something to be said for taking their

651
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: methods and obviously having to tweak them, but when it

652
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 1: comes to football, but being able to really look at

653
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: what they're doing and to copy it. We started doing

654
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: some of the stuff with the GPS stuff and the

655
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: way we're monitoring athletes and the way they go about

656
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: doing their business on the pitch um and then using

657
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: some of this stuff in football. But it would be, um,

658
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: I think that's next level stuff. I think the great

659
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: teams will go over and they will spend some time

660
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: and just try and figure out how to figure out

661
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: how to develop younger players, how to identify them early,

662
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: and how to put them kind of on the track

663
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: to max them out as athletes and players. Yeah, I mean,

664
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: I just think it would be a cool ownership thing,

665
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: you know, instead of just going and showing your face

666
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: and signing some autographs at at a you know, the

667
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: Youth Football League actually have team put some money into

668
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: it and start, you know, even have if you had

669
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: your own facility, like a youth facility all thirty two teams,

670
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: that would be a drop in the bucket for the league,

671
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: UH to make an investment. Say every NFL team is

672
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: going to have a youth facility. Now, they won't get

673
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: the rights to them like they would in soccer. You know,

674
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: you don't own their rights as they come up and

675
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: go through college. But what you're doing is you're saying,

676
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna help train these kids, UH at a young

677
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: level and the best of the best that cream always

678
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: rise to the to the top. And I think it

679
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: would be a fun It would be a fun thing,

680
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: a great investment in the future of the sport that

681
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: has seen, at least in tackle football, i've seen some

682
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: of the participation drop a little bit. Yeah, I mean,

683
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: I think we're at the point where we have to

684
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: do it. Obviously, coaching high school wall you can see

685
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: the numbers and the numbers are declining um when you

686
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: look at the lower levels, and so you have to

687
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: find a way to feed the pipeline, um, And one

688
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: of the ways we can do it is by having

689
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: more teams get involved at the lower levels and really

690
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: invest in the grassroots part of the game. The NFL

691
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: are doing uh some terrific work to doing a lot

692
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: of great things when it comes to development, but teams

693
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: can also step up and and do even more to

694
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: just ensure that the game is still gonna be proce

695
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: first when we think to in fifteen twenty years down

696
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: the line. Um, the stuff that you're talking about overseas,

697
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: stuff that we certainly just steal and think about kind

698
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: of implementing into National Football League some of the football

699
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: programs that we have. And on the fun side of things,

700
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've got a chance to see

701
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: the video I put together going over there, Uh take

702
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: a crack at our our guys over there at the

703
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: Around the NFL podcast, because you know, we hear about

704
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: all popular they are over there, Buck and I went

705
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: and talk to a lot of folks and there's, uh,

706
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: there's quite a few Move the Sticks podcast fans overseas.

707
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: I don't know that we we we beat our chest

708
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: maybe like they do, um, but there's some there's some

709
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: fans over there, Buck, they enjoyed the pot over there. Okay,

710
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: well I appreciate that. I mean it sounds like the

711
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: around the novella guys kind of have it a lock

712
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: over there, like we need to kind of have some penetration. Uh.

713
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: I built up a following, but I am fascinated by

714
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,479
Speaker 1: But you're going over there. I am going over there,

715
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: You're going I'm going over I started. I tried to

716
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: start the movement, Buck, I started the move to six.

717
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta take the Botonics banned brand a

718
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: little bit. See if we can do some stuff. Um,

719
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: it should be fun. It should be fun. It should

720
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: be fun to go over Um. I'm excited. I know

721
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,479
Speaker 1: we're having the big London Week this week. A lot

722
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: of the NFL network talent, NFL media talent is over

723
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: there kind of promoting and working with it. So it'll

724
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: be fun to continue to go over there and be

725
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: a part of the movement. Um, because maybe, just maybe

726
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: there's a team that is destined to go over to London.

727
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: Last thing I'll get you on London. We'll get to

728
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: some college football. Uh at that match games that matches

729
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: at Chelsea. Uh. Since Man United against Chelsea. And there's

730
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: a several NFL folks there, so I'm sitting. It's me,

731
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: Matt money Smith, Henry's there, Alex Freith Miller who works

732
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: in n f LPR. We're kind of all on a row,

733
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: so get this. And then in front of us we

734
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: have English soccer fans, like big time Chelsea fans. Behind us,

735
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,479
Speaker 1: there's fans of the Tennessee Titans that have come over

736
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: for the Chargers Titans game and they're from Kentucky. So

737
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: in front of us, Buck you you here, who is

738
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: a lovely pass? Uh? You know it's you know, these thick,

739
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: thick British accents. And then behind us, this guy is

740
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: trying to explain the game to his wife and and

741
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: in the thickest Southern accident you've ever heard before. Wow,

742
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: look at that ball. Band. That ball has been Let's

743
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: see how he's been. The ball right there, sweetie. This

744
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: is what you call like an all star team. Remember

745
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: the Olympics, and we saw these guys play for this

746
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: country in that country. Assist this. It's fixing to be

747
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: an all Star team. And and it was the difference

748
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: between what was taking place in front of us and

749
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: when Chelsea was losing, people losing their minds, and the

750
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: guy behind us trying to explain to his wife how

751
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: this is gonna go to overtime, which it did not

752
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: go to overtime. He does not know the rules, and

753
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: each other the whole time, man crying, laughing. It was

754
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: so great. It was so great. Listen to this guy.

755
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: If you've seen Seinfeld, there's an episode where Gramer is

756
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: betting on which airplanes are gonna land first with with

757
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: this guy from Houston, Texas. He's got a cowboy hat

758
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: on and it is Oh, it is so funny. That

759
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: was exactly what was taking place there at the soccer match.

760
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: That's unbelievable. That is funny. I love I love kind

761
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: of hearing those conversations from Afar, especially when you know

762
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: the guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Like that

763
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: is also that's pretty funny. I don't know if I

764
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: would have been able to resist not kind of stepping

765
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: in and being like no, by the way, you know

766
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: so good? Uh? Are you ready to want to over

767
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: to some college football? I mean why not? Like college

768
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: football is fun? Like I want to talk to you

769
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: about this report though Washington stay knocked off Oregon but

770
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: that's like, that's that's a sad story. The biggest story

771
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: coming out of the game, Justin Herbert is talking about

772
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: planning on returning to Oregon, and anyone who doesn't know

773
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: about Justin Herbert, Justin Herbert is a big time quarterback

774
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: at the University of Oregon. He is a guy that

775
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: has been kind of talented. Is maybe the top quarterback

776
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: prospect in the draft and a possible number one pick.

777
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: You're talking about a guy that six five five pounds,

778
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: super athletic, uh can make every throw. But it's junior

779
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: so he may not necessarily be seasoned enough to come

780
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: to the league. But there are a lot of people

781
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: fascinated about them. What do you think about this potential

782
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: or reported decision that he may go back to Oregon

783
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: to play his final season. Yeah. I had heard some

784
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: things about Sam Donald the year before it, but it

785
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: was over the summer. I think we were out at

786
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: the Elite eleven and there was a lot of buzz

787
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: you know that he was not he would not come

788
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: out the following year. Now as you got through the year, uh,

789
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: that talk disappeared. So this is a little bit later

790
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: on in the process to get a report like this

791
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: at Herbert's coming back. But that is consistent with what

792
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: I had heard coming into the season. Um, you talked

793
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: to some folks, UM and got kind of a consistent message.

794
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: His brother is gonna be coming to school there next year.

795
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: He wants to play with his brother. He's local. Um,

796
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: it's a big deal to him to stay obviously, academics

797
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: extremely important to him. Four point of student and uh,

798
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: and he just enjoys his time there. Uh. So I

799
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 1: had heard that, But we hear this all the time, Buck.

800
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: And then you get to the end of the process.

801
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: You get to the end of the season and you say, man,

802
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, I could be the first overall pick

803
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 1: um and then uh, and then I could get injured.

804
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: That all these things come into place and you try

805
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: and figure things out. So I wouldn't say the done

806
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: deal yet, um, but this is definitely an interesting, interesting

807
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: case here. If he does go back to school. You know,

808
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: I really like Daniel Jones from from Duke. We'll see

809
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: what he does if he decides to come out. We've

810
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: talked a bunch about some of these other quarterbacks with

811
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: Will Greer and Drew Lock. I don't know if those

812
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: guys are you know, top five pick type guys. Um?

813
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: But uh, but man, it will be interesting to see

814
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: if Herbert goes back. Now all of a sudden, all

815
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: that talk from the Giants fans of see, you know,

816
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: we've got the running back. We just turned around and

817
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: get the quarterback in the next draft. That doesn't always

818
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: work out like that. Yeah, you absolutely right about that. DJ,

819
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: Like so many of us, me included, I talked about, well,

820
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: you know, maybe they could be better off. I mean,

821
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: now they have the running back in place, they have

822
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: the receiver in plays, they have the other things, just

823
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: drop the quarterback in. But the problem with that is, yeah,

824
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: like a guy like justin Herbert, if you decide not

825
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: to enter the draft, now you have to see is

826
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: their quarterback worthy of being a top five or top

827
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: ten pick. If there's not one of there, do you

828
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: manufactory one er? Do you go into free agent market

829
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: and try and find one? Um? It just kind of

830
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: complicates mad. There's a little bit um which kind of

831
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,479
Speaker 1: brings to people who were saying, like, hey, they should

832
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: have taken the quarterback when they're sitting a number two,

833
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: because this is the only opportunity when you get a

834
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: guy and if you identify one. It's the thing. We're

835
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: just kind to see how this plays out. But certainly

836
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: there are a lot of teams that need quarterbacks that

837
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: were not necessarily exciting news. Next question here, um, bigger,

838
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: bigger story come out of the Big Ten this last week.

839
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: Biggest surprise when you look at some of the NFL

840
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: talent on these teams. But Ohio State getting absolutely pulverized

841
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 1: by Perdue. Is that bigger story or is it Michigan

842
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: State getting pulverized by Michigan what's the what's the bigger

843
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: one there? I think the bigger story has to be

844
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: Perdue absolutely whipping Ohio State and the fact that Ohio

845
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,919
Speaker 1: State through seventy three times in the game. I love

846
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins, However, that's a bit much. I don't want

847
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: to I don't want to to throw that much. I

848
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: think that's a little much, uh to expose him to

849
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: that MANI throws. And the fact that you're Ohio st

850
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: you're the Buckeyes and the buck As have kind of

851
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: proded themselves and being the bullies on the block. Part

852
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: of that bully mentality constant being able to run to

853
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: football whenever and wherever, you want to the fact that

854
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 1: they weren't able to do it to Purdue speaks volumes

855
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: about maybe some of the offensive issues that they have,

856
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: because they certainly have the personnel in place, it appears

857
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: at the skill position to be able to do it.

858
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: Maybe there's an issue along the officsive line, or maybe

859
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: it was just a deal where they got behind and

860
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: they just kind of had to abandon the game plan.

861
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: But you certainly would like to see more run pass

862
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: balance between uh when oh higher State has the football. Yeah,

863
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't get a chance to see these

864
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: games because over in London, so I'm anxious to watch

865
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: the tape on on both those games. But that score

866
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: shocked me when I saw it. Now, Michigan Michigan State

867
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: the one one question I just want to ask you

868
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 1: on this because you know, I didn't see this game.

869
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: Obviously saw the highlights and look like Michigan got after

870
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: him pretty good there. Um, But we have to do

871
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: our We're releasing our updated combined joint little top twenty

872
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: five prospect list at this point in the process, very early.

873
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: We've still got a lot of work to do on

874
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: these guys. But just direct comparison, I ended up flipping it.

875
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: I ended up moving Rashaan Gary over at Oliver. Would

876
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: you have at Oliver or Rashan Garry. It's again, we're

877
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 1: real early in the process. We're neither one is gonna

878
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: held to this right now, buck, But just right now,

879
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: who would I just I just had I had Ed

880
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: Oliver still over Rashan Gary. But Rashan Gary is maybe

881
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 1: the more impressive athlete, and I think that it allows

882
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: you to do stuff in right bigger you know, it's

883
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: talking about being in the prose fight heavyweights versus middle

884
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: weights and and the like. Rashan Gary is more of

885
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: the prototypical prospect that we typically fall in love with

886
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: at that position. He also has a little versatility, being

887
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: able to kind of move up and down the line,

888
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: and so you get it. He flashes. Maybe Ed Oliver

889
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 1: is a little more consistent when it comes to the production,

890
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: but there's something to be said for the size, and

891
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,479
Speaker 1: you have to factor that in. Uh, every smaller player

892
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: that's productive is not Aaron Donald, not Geno Atkins. So

893
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: we just got to make sure that at Oliver is

894
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: going to be able to do those things at the

895
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: next level and our guy can't. Uh, whisper in our

896
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: ear there Sehan. Gary has missed a couple of games

897
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: here with injury man, but I watched him early in

898
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: the season, have watched him over the summer. Buck, I

899
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: just had it. There's there's a lot to like there.

900
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: I used a comparison to Cam Jordan when I when

901
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: I studied him, and that to me is still sticks.

902
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: And we've seen what came said. And you know the

903
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: funny thing about the Cam Jordan thing is I was

904
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: a little low Kim Jordan. We was coming out of

905
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 1: KO because much like Rashan, he had a lot of talent,

906
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: but you just didn't know where you put him, like

907
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: where do you put him at? And I never envisioned

908
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: Kim Jordan becoming the kind of sack producer that he

909
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: has become because he's kind of a tweeter. When you

910
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: looked at him as he three four five technique, is

911
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: he a d N Like where does he fit? He's

912
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: just a really good playmaker. So I think we were

913
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: showing Gary we have to be able to look at

914
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: him and see does he have the trace to be

915
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: a really good good playmaker and what system is best

916
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: for him at the next level? Alright, last thing here

917
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: on the college front. I gotta be a little bit

918
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: selfish here, Buck. I'm on the plane in London and

919
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: WiFi wasn't working, and finally it kicked in and started working,

920
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: and my phone blew up from co workers friends. Uh,

921
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 1: you know, former teammates, all that good stuff, Uh, saying

922
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: app State with ranked number twenty five. So fourth year

923
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: in Division one, they win uh their three and o

924
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: in bowl games, They've won the Sun Belt Conference twice,

925
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 1: hopefully on the way to winning it for a third time,

926
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: and now they find themselves in the AP top twenty five.

927
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: It could be short lived. No, no, no, no, what

928
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: I'm saying could be short lived. But it's a it's

929
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: a big moment for me, Buck, It is a big

930
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: it's a big moment for the program. It's a good,

931
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: big moment for all the alums and everyone who has

932
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: kind of contributed to their programs ascension. However, you know

933
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: what typically happens after these things, right, What typically happens

934
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: is you run it up, you get those things and

935
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: if someone plux you coach, so you want to so

936
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: so so what you wanna do is you want to

937
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: win enough, but you don't want to win like too much,

938
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: where all of a sudden he becomes a national story

939
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: and the name, and then all these teams are coming

940
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: and they throw these big checks and then you have

941
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,959
Speaker 1: to dig into the personal Dana Jeremiah Acount to save

942
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: the school, to save the program. It keeps Sadderfield there. Well,

943
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: I'm hoping though, first of all, not a whole lot

944
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: in that fund. But I'm hoping though this can kind

945
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: of be like We're kind of be like Boise. We

946
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: saw boyse Gona roll through some different coaches and still

947
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: have a lot of success. You've seen Butler do it

948
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: in basketball. Um app you know, Jerry Moore was there

949
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: when I was there for a long time and had

950
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: that UH had incredible run. We won three national championships

951
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: at the one double A level, and UH coach Sadderfield

952
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: played for him. So everything's kind of stayed in the family.

953
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 1: And they've got a young defensive coordinator now I think

954
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: the thirty one years old who is awesome. So I

955
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: would imagine if Sadderfield does get a job, UH, They're

956
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: just promote from within there and and hopefully keep things rolling.

957
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: I think we do have a radio call there from

958
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: their win last week seven and seventeen over Louisiana Lafayette.

959
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: We have a we have a radio called Kent Fire

960
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: that thing up. I want to hear. I want to

961
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: hear that State Mountaineers, Thomas and the shotgun Williams the

962
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: running back. They'll get the Marcus running right, cuts to

963
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: the middle of the field, Runnecker and gets in. That's

964
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: an app State touchdown for Marcus Williams Jr. Can off

965
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: the tracks when the trains coming through, great call, get

966
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: off the tracks. When the trains coming through there, get

967
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: off the tracks. I love it USC, Florida State, all

968
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: these historical, powerful programs, all looking up at app State

969
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: and eight people. Although I would caution fellas, please please

970
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: be careful Thursday night in States Burro Georgia at Georgia

971
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: Southern Rivalry Games Georgia Southern six and one. Uh and

972
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: they would love nothing more than to remove us from

973
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: that list after one brief week. But you know, you

974
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: guys gotta be ready, like this is not your first

975
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: time on the big show. I know, like f State,

976
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: like four years Division one. But they've won a bunch

977
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 1: of games. The program has won a ton of games

978
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: at the lower level. They've been national titles with three

979
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: time national champions, They've knocked off big teams like it

980
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: shouldn't be too big. It shouldn't be it should be

981
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: a big deal on the outside, but on the inside,

982
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: that should be the expectation. I would like to think

983
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: that the program is at their point where it's the standard,

984
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: the standards standard, it doesn't change. I'm just glad I

985
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: was able to get through there before the program got

986
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: to this level. I went enough to play with this

987
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: group they got now, Buddy, that much, I was glad

988
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: I got timed that up good. Anyways, that's anything else

989
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: you want to add what you're working on this week,

990
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: buck Man, I'm seeing you're trying to do it. I

991
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 1: just gotta When Eli Apple traded to the New Orleans Saints,

992
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: so Pat Peterson took a discount, they went to the

993
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: dollar store, and I'm gonna go over here and get

994
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: this this off off wreck off fifth sacks, off fifth

995
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: North fron Rack. We will shot up here. We're not

996
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: gonna go to the big store. No, no, no, here,

997
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: here's what it is, Buck. There, Patrick Peterson was the steak.

998
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: They were looking over there. I think we're gonna get

999
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: a steak. They saw the price, said you know what,

1000
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: I'd rather have an apple? Yeah, I would nice. All right, Buck,

1001
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for us today. Man, fun. Episode

1002
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: covered a lot of ground. Hope everybody enjoyed listening to it.

1003
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: It's great to be back, uh in the United States.

1004
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: Looking forward to a big football week and anything else

1005
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: you want to add before we get out here. No,

1006
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: just working on the notebook. I'm talking about the Cowboys

1007
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: getting a man Hugh Jackson wanted to be more involved

1008
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: in the offense, and the Philadelphia eagles lack of a

1009
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: running games hurt. Carson wentz, Oh, there you go, Bucky's notebook.

1010
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: Don't miss it each and every week. It is awesome.

1011
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: NFL dot com slash Bucky Brooks. That's gonna do it

1012
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: for us today. Thank you guys for listening, for downloading,

1013
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: for leaving us a rating and review there on Apple Podcast.

1014
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: We do appreciate it, and then we'll catch you next time.