1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: Hello, morning practice, my old friend from to talk with 2 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: you again. Uh happened again today, Matt bumping their practice 3 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: up to thirty am. This is the drive on Steelers 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: Nation Radio and ESPN nine seventy. He is Matt Williamson. 5 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: I am Dale Lilly. We are live from Steelers training 6 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: camp here at Saint Vincent College and uh, well another 7 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: morning practice of course today not in pads. Yeah, you 8 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: expect it to be lighter, and it was. And I 9 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: think because of that, Matt, it was kind of like 10 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: a little bit of a letdown, kind of like the 11 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: intensity level was there Monday and Tuesday and then today 12 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: it was kind of sloppy. Yeah, I once again was 13 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: unable to see practice. It's some other responsibilities this morning. 14 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: Hopefully they get back to this afternoon. But I am 15 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: interested what what you you saw there? You know when 16 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: you said sloppy, it just not his inten ends or 17 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: you know Miss Simon that you know, like at one 18 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: point Mits Robiskue they went to go back to throw 19 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: the football and it slipped out of his hand and 20 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: things like that. Yeah, silly stuff. There was another play 21 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: where Mason Rudolph was in a shotgun and the one 22 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: of the down the down the line, centers like everybody 23 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: else moves in the center, didn't snap the ball, those 24 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: kind of things. Yeah, having the details and you know, 25 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: things happen, but if they're all happened the same time, 26 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: coaches lose their mind a little bit and little right there. Yeah, 27 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: he was verbose today. Let's put it sounds like you 28 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: should have been you know, like those kind of details 29 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: need to be cleaned up. That's not okay. Um that 30 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: they started happening in bunches. That's when coaches really lose 31 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: their marbles. Obviously. I heard good things about Kenny Pickett though, 32 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: you know, so he was fine everybody. Look, so here's 33 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: here's the thing. So there's a there's a bit of 34 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: a crowd here today. I get him. So on one play, 35 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: uh he rolls out or he gets mesured, a guy 36 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: comes shooting and would have sacked him. He still keeps 37 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: running with It's it's you know, obviously they're not live 38 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: today and they're not gonna hit the quarterback. And then 39 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: he throws throw ends up throwing a pass down the 40 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: sideline and the guy catches it and the fans react, Oh, 41 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: he'd have been sacked like six times, right, let's not 42 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: pretend there was another time. They're in. They're in, They're 43 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: they're just running like three on three stuff with with 44 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: you know, kind of combo routes and things of that 45 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: name quarterback yea half half field stuff. He scrambled out 46 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: of it, like throw the football. And then that's what 47 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: Tomman like, you gotta throw the football. Like so again 48 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: I'm Tappa Brakes on the Kenny Pickets stuff like He's 49 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: been fine for a rookie. He's made some throws, but 50 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: he's like Mr Bisky is the starting quarterback on this 51 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: football team. And guess what, Mason Rudolph had another nice 52 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: day of throwing the football. Mason rudolphs the number two. Yeah. Period. 53 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: That seems like a long shot for that to change, 54 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: barring injury, of course. Um. In fact, at Rudolf had 55 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: two of the better throws in his practice. He uh, 56 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: like I did. He understands the NFL much better than 57 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: they ran. They both they both so it was Rudolph 58 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: and pick It both ran two minute drills today and 59 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: they both they both scored. But on Rudolph's um, you know, 60 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: he he made some he made a couple of hot 61 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:24,239 Speaker 1: just high level throws. Yes. Uh, he hit George Pickens 62 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: down the sidelines. Uh about a thirty yard gain down 63 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 1: the down the left side of the far sideline there. Uh. 64 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: He came out in fact to think, let me see here. 65 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: He was two for two in seven shots, the only 66 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: two the only two completions, the only two completions the 67 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: offense had were by Rudolph. And then in that in 68 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: that two minutes, drill Um hits uh Calvin Aser for 69 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: an eight yard game, hits Benny Snell for a four 70 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: yard game, then goes deep down the sideline. Uh so 71 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: again about a thirty five yard game to the ten? 72 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: Did you Pickens? Perfect throw right? Then comes back to 73 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: Pickens again in the in the in the left end 74 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: of the top end of the end zone there and 75 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: left left end from us, and Pickens kind of screens 76 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: Levi Wallace off with one arm, tips the ball to 77 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: himself and catches it with one hand and pulls it 78 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: in with one hand as he's falling out of bounds. 79 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: But it was placed exactly where George Pickens could make 80 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: the plays. Didn't have a chance, had no chance. I mean, 81 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: he's great coverage and obviously a great play by Pickens 82 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: and the body used again. It was it was Mason 83 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: Rudolph understanding, like this guy has a catch radius. I 84 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: can throw that out there and get So he was 85 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: four for four for fifty eight yards in a touchdown 86 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: in two minute offense. And that's great. I mean, if 87 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: there's been a knock on Mason, which has been very few, 88 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: he's been consistent and he's been playing quite well. It 89 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: was you know, in the two tight ends when they 90 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: get down to the red zone, he strugged. He struggled 91 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: a little bit more. And when you know, pressure situation, 92 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: not pressure situations, but higher important situations. Maybe he wasn't 93 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: at his best. So it sounds like he converted. He 94 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: converted in seven shots as well. So that's what you 95 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: want to see from him, you know, but nobody wants 96 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: to talk about that. Nobody, right, we can't know root 97 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: for this guy to get better and better and be 98 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: a good quarterback. But now you know, to to his credit, 99 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: pick it uh, pick it uh completed. It was really 100 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: it was a pass to the to the flat to 101 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: the left flat to j Leb Warren and j Len 102 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: Warren's whipped up the sideline for about a forty yard 103 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: game turned off there. He looked like a shot out 104 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: of a canon. Yeah, I mean just turned on the 105 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: Jets and was down the side of them before the 106 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: defense even knew what was going on. And then pick 107 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: It came back and hit a little post pattern to 108 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: Steven Simms for for the touchdowns. So he scored in 109 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: two plays. Um, but yeah, I mean he had his 110 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: moments as as he has every practice. But he has 111 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: his rook strolling to the football well though, yeah, yeah, yeah, 112 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: I have a problem with that. But but for people 113 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: as well. You can't even to have the breaks with 114 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: Kenny pick It just a little bit when you're comparing 115 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: him to the other guys. He's behind Yeah, yeah, all right, right, 116 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: and two big affected again we're not We're not fashion 117 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: on Kenny here and not at all where he should be, 118 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: should be behind the veterans who have been the league 119 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: for a while. Now. Um My take on that was 120 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: once again sounds like two other rookies, not Pickett. Pickens 121 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: and Warren they might be the two best rookies in camp. 122 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: It sure seems that way. I mean they Yeah, we 123 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: heard Wesley Euler and Arthur Moates on the previous show. 124 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: They're getting asked about you know, can j can j 125 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: Len Warren make this roster. I'm here to tell you 126 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: right now that Jalen Warren's making this roster. Right I 127 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: think the question is where he had? Yeah, where is 128 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: he had on the depth chart? He's making the roster 129 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: unless unless he gets hurt or something crazy happens. What's 130 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: his usage going to be in week one? I think 131 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: it's more you know, or will he be active? Will 132 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: he be the two? You know, he spelled nazy some. 133 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: I mean, how much are they going to use them 134 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: and how do they plan to use them? I think 135 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: it's more of the question than is he gonna be 136 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 1: a stealer this year? Yeah? I mean he ran He 137 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: were in an out and up route in that in 138 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: those drills, the drill work against Derek Twist uh and 139 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: you would think that'd be a mismatch, and he got 140 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: behind Tuisco, but Tisco recovered the ball, was kind of 141 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: throwing a little out there, and Twista made a really 142 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: nice play to catch up and get a hand and 143 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: break it up. But you know they get jail and 144 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: Warren running then out and up like forty or forty 145 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: yards down the field. Okay, So I mean you don't 146 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: see many five eight guys doing those type of things, 147 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: for one thing, especially with the big thick Yeah right, 148 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: that's how I was actually thinking. And and it keeps 149 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: coming back to this. Are I keep noticing this in 150 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: a big way since we've been up here. The backs 151 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: are not being used as just dump off at all. 152 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: If it's McFarland, if it's Warren, I assume the same. 153 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: It's true with Nausey. I mean he we saw him 154 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: lined up all over before he missed some time that 155 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: you know why. I think that's gonna be an under 156 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: appreciated story of the The offense this year is not 157 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: going to be Nausey, just kind of roaming a yard 158 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: downfield and flat there in case the quarterback gets in trouble, 159 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: catch the ball and get hit in the back. Right right, 160 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: they're gonna be catching, you know, running distinct routes down 161 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: the field. Yeah. I has to actually talk to uh, 162 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: to Anthony McFarland about that after practice today and I said, 163 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: you're running more wide receiver type route. He goes, yeah, 164 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: I guess that's you know, I guess you could say that, 165 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: and I'm like, that kind of fits what your skill 166 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: set is. But he's like, yeah, you know, it's definitely 167 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: good for him. Yeah, that's it's a better way to 168 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: showcase him. Mc nichols probably would have fit that mold 169 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: as well. We haven't seen much of him and he's 170 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: got yeah he's on IR now, he's on IR right, Um, 171 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: but he's out of sight, out of mind. So I 172 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: think that they have that role in mind. And we 173 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: know Harris can do all the above. You know, he's 174 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: just a bigger version. Yeah, just a big version of that. 175 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: So you know, another interesting day again, not just not 176 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: the crispest of practice, but the Steelers got through another 177 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 1: one here today, even though they had to move it 178 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: up to ten thirty and to get that and then 179 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: they had their walk through later on rain again, right, 180 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: there's some rain in the area again. Yeah. It has 181 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: been the case obviously for like ten days in a 182 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: row here. Well, the thing is is is easier if 183 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: you move the practice up. You can always bounce it back, 184 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: you can always push it back if it rains in 185 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: the morning, but you can't move it back. You don't 186 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 1: want to be to thirty and be like, boy, we 187 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: should have practiced at the right yeah. Right, So you 188 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: know that makes some sense. We'll see what they do tomorrow. 189 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin slate to do talk to your schedule to 190 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: talk to the media at eleven thirty tomorrow, to go 191 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: down run down the the depth chart unless metal practice, Yeah, 192 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: which I think they're you know, probably going to get 193 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: that into the afternoon. I think it's but the weather 194 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: is supposed to clear up here a little bit. I'll 195 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 1: take a look at the break. I haven't checked in 196 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: a while, but it looks a little dark here. Again, 197 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: it's just I canna sprinkled throughout practice. Uh, you know, 198 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 1: never really rain rain, but certainly not what we've seen before. 199 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: But we got a little, you know, light sprinkles throughout 200 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 1: the course of practice today here at St. Vincent College. 201 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: He is Matt Williams, and I'm Dale Ali. You're listening 202 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: to the drive Matt. This team they're going to finally 203 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: get a preseason game. Yeah, right Saturday, on Saturday, and 204 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: it's it's really time. Um. Yeah. This acclamation, like three 205 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: weeks of training camp practice is because of that acclamation 206 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: period at the start of things really kind of stretches 207 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: this out. I don't know if you've paid much attention 208 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: to whom I know you're aware this has been the 209 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: time of the season where you're starting to see two 210 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: teams get together at someone's practice facility or you know, 211 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: because they're tired of hitting each other. They know everybody's tendencies. 212 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 1: And obviously the Steelers weren't going to do that against 213 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: the Seahawks. You're not gonna have to see or something 214 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: right there. You bring him out here. But no, I 215 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: mean so, I think a preseason game is long overdue, 216 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: and I think we shouldn't overreact to whatever we see 217 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: on Saturday. But I can't wait to analyze every play 218 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: and every player on every play basically, especially first half, 219 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: third quarter of that type of thing. Oh, line running game, 220 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: I don't see the defensive front. I assume that when 221 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: you guys talked to coach tomorrow, he'll be addressing how 222 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: he plans on using the quarterback, some of the preseason stuff, 223 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: as well as the current depth chart. Right yeah, um, 224 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: you know, it all happen and that'll be the big 225 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: news coming out of the Obviously the who you know, 226 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: who's going to be available, who's not? Guys who didn't 227 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: practice today, Uh, they're really kind of short linebacker, um 228 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: ulysses Gilbert is in a walking boot. He's got one 229 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: on his right foot. Uh. Marcus Allen still out. Alex 230 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: Highsmith was out again today with that rib injury. Um 231 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: Junord Avery not practicing. So now you're already down four 232 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: linebackers there. That's two two weeks or two days in 233 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: a row for Avery, I think, yeah, yeah, so, I 234 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: mean they're they're kind of short there. I don't want 235 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: to play what that much? Right, You're not gonna play him, 236 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: You're not gonna play you know how much you gonna 237 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: play Miles Jack or you know that that kind of stuff. 238 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 1: I could see them starting Devon Bush and Robert Splaine 239 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: did inside linebacker and just letting those two go for 240 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: you know, more than a half, you know whatever. Maybe 241 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: the whole second half is the Buddy Johnson Show, Buddy 242 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: Johnson and the two you know in the rookie guys 243 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: and Robinson Rominson. Yeah, yeah, that would make perfect sense. 244 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: I mean, why have Jack out there in this situation? 245 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: You want Bush to play a time? I would think, 246 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: you know, that would make a lot of sense. I'm 247 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: looking here at you know, if you ask people about 248 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: Devon Bush, reporters about Devon Bush out here Um, you 249 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: get twelve different answers if I've noticed. That's why he 250 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,599 Speaker 1: brought that up. So I'm looking here, and this was 251 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: off of Pro Football Focus, and they have the risers 252 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: and followers from from each camp, and they talked to 253 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: a bunch of different reporters from the league. Apparently didn't 254 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: talk to anybody in Steeler camp because they had after 255 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: each one that they actually talked to somebody. Uh, they 256 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: had who they spoke to it at Steelers, Kimp. Nobody 257 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: called you up, nobody called me. So the riser was 258 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: George Pickens, No surprise there. That's an easy one. That's 259 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 1: a piece, you know. The follower was Devon Bush, and 260 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: I'm like the Bush currently shares a spot on the 261 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: Steelers depth chart with Robert Spillane. The two players are 262 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: competing for the starting spot next to Miles Jack. That 263 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: seems like, uh, kind of abbreviated reporting and just going 264 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: to the Steelers depth chart and said the same thing 265 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: about Kevin Dotson and Kendrick Green or whoever exactly exactly, Um, 266 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: to me's had a bad camp. No, he's not bad. 267 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: I mean he's much better than he than he had 268 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: than he did last year at any point, certainly more 269 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 1: explosive and as a mover and in changing directions and 270 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: just running a straight line all that stuff. I think 271 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: he looks better than a year ago. He actually did 272 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: a thing something today. Um, they're kind of like, okay, 273 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,599 Speaker 1: he must be feeling pretty spry. So he's in with 274 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: the first couple of reps of seven shots on the defense, 275 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: and then when they pulled him off, the defense got 276 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: a couple of play, made a couple of plays their breakups, 277 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: and as he's coming off the field, he jumped up 278 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: and hung on the goal post. He's five tens that's 279 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: ten ft off the ground, grabbing the rim. Right, that's 280 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: a it's a big rim. And you're coming back, you know, yeah, 281 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: right right right with your surgically repaired knee. Yeah, maybe 282 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: show off a little bit that remember me at the 283 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: combine and I mean he had right right, and he's shorter, 284 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: I mean getting outside of ev it's some of these 285 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: other dude in full pad and well I guess they 286 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: were in full pads today, but still but still, I mean, still, 287 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 1: that's not easy when you're not jumping off a hard surface, 288 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,719 Speaker 1: you're jumping off littleggy. No. I mean, we know the 289 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: traits are there. I mean, minus great size. I mean, 290 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: all the traits are absolutely there. No one batted an 291 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: eye when he went as early as he did. That's 292 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: that revisionist history. Like people coming out and I said 293 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: they shouldn't take Bush. Nobody was saying that many people 294 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: on that camp that's short at the time. I mean, 295 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: if you want to make the argument then that I 296 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: would rather have what the Steelers gave up than Bush, 297 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: I think that's logical. But I didn't hear a lot 298 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: of those arguments, to be honest with you, when the 299 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: time came. I mean, people, people forget what what the 300 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: status of that linebacker spot was. When they went into 301 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: that draft. It was scary, you know. Yeah, they were 302 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: signing to Morgan, Burnetts and guys of that nature to go. 303 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: You know, John Boston could just fail find out anyone 304 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: they could find, right And now you know they've got 305 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: a bunch of guys at that position. Um, you know, 306 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: so we'll continue to see how that. But I haven't 307 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: seen him have a bad camp. In fact, I've liked 308 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: a lot of the things that I've seen from him. Um, 309 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: in terms of attacking the line of scrimmage and and 310 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: you know, diagnosing things, and definitely in coverage and coverage 311 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: and range in general. A couple of past breakups yesterday, Um, 312 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: you know, I think he's been you know not, you 313 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: know not Wow, that was a great play, but just steady, 314 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: no doubt. And he's also I keep making this excuse 315 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: partially because I haven't been been able to see practice 316 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: for a while. But some positions the games will will 317 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: be more telling, you know, like is he running with 318 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: receivers as he should on Saturday night? Is he diagnosing 319 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: plays as he's beaten blocks as he's been you know? 320 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: Is he playing fast in those situations? Those are the 321 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: real tests for Bush to me, I mean, the lineman 322 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: and and running backs and linebackers in particular really need 323 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: to you know, show well in games. But everyone I've 324 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: talked to, uh, the eyeball test from me watching a 325 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: lot of practice has never been Boy, I think Bush 326 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: isn't gonna make it. Yeah, I mean that's not been 327 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: the thought at all. Yeah, So I you know, I 328 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: don't I don't see that. I mean, you know, I've 329 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: noticed some of the other younger guys, you know, making 330 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: some splash plays here and there in terms of their 331 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: their run stopping and Splene shows up in that regard, 332 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: but any track shows up well. Yeah, but anytime Robert 333 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: Splaine is on the field, he might as well paint 334 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: his painting put a red target on his back because 335 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: the other team's gonna throw at him, I believe, And 336 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: this will change with injuries throughout the year, but with 337 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: their depth at d line, the guys that are gonna 338 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: play a lot of snaps. Like I forget how many 339 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: we counted fifteen or sixteen defensive players. I don't see 340 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: one that is Waldo. There's one that's everyone in the 341 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: world's gonna pick on. But it Splaine's out there, He's 342 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: the one the right, right right, You're gonna you're gonna 343 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: go after him. Yeah. And I'm not saying they have 344 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: Dion and Woodson at every position. I mean not all 345 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: these guys are great, but I don't see any of 346 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: them as liabilities, as well as the depth guys behind them. 347 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: But I do think it's Blaine's out there prepared to 348 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: be making a lot of tackles after the catch, Robert, 349 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, they're gonna they're gonna test him and 350 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: go after him quite a bit because I mean that 351 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: that's just what you do. Yeah. The other team as 352 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: coaches too, and they'll figure it out. Yeah. I mean 353 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: I think he's a quality player. I'm not picking on Spillane, no, 354 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: not at all. I mean he's he's an NFL player. Yeah. 355 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 1: I think the Bengals want him to see the field 356 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: and we want absolutely a lot. Yeah, and he'll be 357 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: getting you know, they're going his way absolutely. Um. You know, Matt, 358 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: I really think you know, we're we're starting to see. 359 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: I don't know about separation at this point, but there's 360 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: definitely a line of delineation there, you know, between who 361 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: the guys who are who are going to be starting. 362 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: That might be the last one maybe, and that maybe 363 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: cornerback opposite Cam Sutton because I think Ken I think 364 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: Kendrick Green's is pretty much they haven't said it, but 365 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: I think he's kind of one that sounds like he's 366 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: grabbing the job. And Kevin Datson didn't practice again today. 367 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: That makes it and availability has not been his strong suits. 368 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: We liked that as well. You can't injure him to coaches. 369 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: You need to see him out there any chance this 370 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: happens that Let's assume Green's the left guard, Okay, could 371 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 1: Dotson be the right guard and Daniels the center? I taught, 372 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: you know, when I talked to UH to UH people 373 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: earlier in camp, I was told, no, the you know there, 374 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: Daniels is our is our right guard. I got the 375 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: impression when they signed him, and watching and studying Daniel's career, 376 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: one of the alluds for him signing with the Steelers 377 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: was they're gonna finally be a right guard and not 378 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: moving in all the place. I mean that stunted his 379 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: growth in Chicago. He was moving down to the right guard. Right. Yeah, 380 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: he can do that. He can do it. He is 381 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: a center more than the guard. Yeah, but I mean 382 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 1: I foresee that being the case. I specifically asked Pat 383 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: Meyer that, uh, you know, first week of training, Camper, No, 384 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: he's he's a center, He's a He's a right guard. 385 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: That's what he's going to. Just signed him to be 386 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 1: our right guard. He's our right guard. End the story. 387 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, we may be under selling 388 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: the newness of this for those guys. Again I say this, 389 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: you know, just remind people this again. All off season long, 390 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: I was how long it was going to take the 391 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: offensive line to gel right right right, like any of 392 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: us know that. And then you know, three padded practices 393 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: into the into you know this this training camp. Oh 394 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: my god, what's going all the offensive line? Why aren't 395 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: they Why aren't they you know, weren't they five blocks 396 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: of granted here right? It takes time, takes time, and 397 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: that's a big time continuity position. They don't have anyone 398 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: that's a true old veteran ten year to Castro Pouncy 399 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: that's been around the block with this team. They're all young, 400 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: they're all gonna learn, and frankly, they're not super talented either. 401 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: You know, we know that, we know the word. The 402 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: deficiencies are um, but the sum, the whole could be 403 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: greater than the sum of the projects, especially the longer 404 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: you play. If you've got five average guys on your 405 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: offensive line, league average guys, take it, you've got a 406 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: top twelve offensive line unit. And if you have five 407 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: slightly below average guys, you probably have an average offensive line. 408 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: You probably take you know, eighteen to twenty somewhere in there. 409 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: You don't have any deficiencies anybody that they're you know, 410 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: other teams can just go after yeah, I mean they will. 411 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: You'll lose a match ups But if you're not blowing blocks, 412 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: and you understand the concepts and you're double teaming together 413 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: for the right amount of time and moving on to 414 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 1: get the next guy, doesn't mean you're gonna put everyone 415 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: on their back and pancake him over and over and 416 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: you're just gonna run over everybody. But if there isn't 417 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: a guy or two that's just getting whipped, you know, 418 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: then you'll be fine. I don't know the answer to 419 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 1: that though. I mean there might be their starting group 420 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: might have a guy or two that's just gonna keep 421 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: getting whipped. I don't know that answer yet. We'll see 422 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: and maybe you know, matchup dependent. You know, you're playing 423 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: the Brown Jeah, you're probably gonna have to get damn 424 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: or some help. Absolutely, no, No, that's just the reality 425 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: of it. If you're playing the Steelers, whoever is trying 426 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: to block T. J. Watt is gonna get some help, right. 427 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that's one of many problems of playing the 428 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 1: Steelers is well, we know we've got to help on 429 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: what but now it's really hard to help on camp. 430 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: You know, it's great to have an inside outside compliment, 431 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,360 Speaker 1: you know, like Donald in with the Rams when he's 432 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: got an edge guy that takes everything up a notch, 433 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: you know, whether it's been Quinn or von Miller or whomever. 434 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: You know, And you know Chris Jones at his best, 435 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: when Frank Clark was at his best, all those guys, 436 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: you know. He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lilly. 437 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: We are live from Steelers training camp here at St. 438 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: Vincent College in Latrobe. You're listening to the Drive and 439 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: of course ESPN nine seventy here on Steelers Nation Radio. 440 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break. We'll be back with more 441 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: right after this. He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and 442 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: Matt Williamson on Home of the Black and Gold, Steelers 443 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 1: Nation Radio. Welcome back. I am Dale Alley. Is Matt Williamson. 444 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: This is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio, and we 445 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: appreciate you hopping in here with us on the Drive 446 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: here live from St. Vincent College. And uh, Matt, lots 447 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: of stuff happening around the league, lots of stuff happening 448 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: in Cleveland and start. Yeah, this is just an ongoing situation. 449 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: And Peter or Harvey, who's gonna hear the NFL's appeal 450 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: of the Shawn Watson's six games suspension Uh, they're saying 451 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: now that there's the potential that if he rules in 452 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: the next two days, the league's gonna push for him 453 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: to be suspended immediately. Immediately, Like he doesn't play in 454 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: the preseason, he has to leave camp. You're gone, You're 455 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: out of camp, right And I think people know this, 456 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: but if you're suspended, you're not allowed at the facility. 457 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: You're not allowed to do anything. I don't think you can. 458 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: They'll make some they will do some exceptions and sometimes 459 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: for those guys will allow them to go through training 460 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: camp and then once the season starts, your boom, you're suspended. 461 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: I always wondered, can they watch tape on an iPad? 462 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: Can they? I think you can do that stuff. I 463 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: just don't think you can be an attendance where you're suspended, 464 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: you know, Like I don't think you have to sit 465 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: home and do everything a totally on your own, you know. 466 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: But either way, UM did a little bit of homework 467 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: on this, and I'm I'm tired of it to no end. 468 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: But it's the biggest story in the league without question. 469 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: Is that I hate talking legal stuff. It's like talking 470 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: medical Like I can talk football, but I don't know 471 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: legal precedent, and you know, I don't know about bad 472 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 1: knees and things like that, but you know, secondhand information, 473 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: it sounded like that. The judge when she gave him 474 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: the six games, basically said, there's more here. But the 475 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: way the law works in the world outside the NFL 476 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: and the world is we give sentencing by precedent. You 477 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: know that if you murdered eighty four people, well the 478 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: last guy that they had ordered murdered eighty four people 479 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: will give you a similar sentence here, you know what 480 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: I mean. And she looks back at the the NFL 481 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: and basically says, you guys haven't any precedent. You know, 482 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: like everything so arbitrary over all, the NFL suspensions, Like 483 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 1: this guy gets two games, well something the same guy 484 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: did something similar, he gets six games. H Ridley bets 485 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: fiftd bucks on a game he's out for the year. 486 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: How does that equate the watch to you know, like 487 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: she really didn't have any precedent looking at it through 488 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: a true lawyer's eyes. So maybody else has fondled masses, right, 489 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 1: But it's also the NFL's fault because they haven't. They're 490 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: not real strict with their guidelines. If you do this, this, 491 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: and this, it gets you one game. If you do this, this, 492 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: and this, it gets a three games. Laid out the 493 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: drug policy is you mentioned the Ridley stuff. The gambling 494 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 1: stuff is laid out that that those are automatic things 495 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: that but the personal conduct stuff is not. No, it's 496 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: kind of what they feel like that particular day or year, 497 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: the temperature of the country at that point, I guess, 498 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: reflection on the league, you know, all those things. So 499 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: she kind of looked at it and said, well, they're there. 500 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: I'll just kind of go off precedence and I'll give 501 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: them six. And obviously the league wasn't cool with that. 502 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: And they're taking matters in their own hands, and Roger 503 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: Goodell instead of him taking it and being the guy, 504 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: he's handing it off to one of his dudes. Fair enough, 505 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 1: I mean, that doesn't matter. But then he comes out 506 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: today and says words like egregious and I forget the 507 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,719 Speaker 1: other word he said, predatory. Well, they had they had 508 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: the meeting yesterday, League meeting yesterday to approve the sale 509 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: of the Denver Broncos, And so this was the first 510 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: time that Goodell had really been in public in front 511 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: of reporters yesterday, and that's of course he was asked 512 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: about DeShawn Watson and his tone wasn't Mr Watson right now? Yeah, 513 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: Cleveland's getting there. And again I've gone over this. I'll 514 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: do it again, Like they're better off if he's suspended 515 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: for this entire year. The worst thing could happen if 516 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: they get to like a dozen games, Like twelve games 517 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: would be the worst case scenario for them because now 518 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: they get to pay him for this season. Now this counts. 519 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: They can't toll that contract and say, well, the contract 520 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: now starts next year because he was suspended all this year. Now, 521 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: I one the only thing I wonder is that could 522 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: the league say we're not gonna let you told that. 523 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 1: I guess they could do that, Like why would we 524 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: do you that favor? We're not gonna do anavors you. 525 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: You may this mistake and signed him. Um, it just 526 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: didn't pop up yesterday either. By the way, you knew this. 527 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: There was lingering things when you made the contract. I 528 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: guess they could and they should to be honest with you, 529 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: like the Brown's benefit from from him being suspended, especially 530 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: why should they benefit from him being suspended a year 531 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: which means he did something worse than twelve games, right 532 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: or you know what I mean? So that that that's 533 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: counterproductive in my opinion, and by no means that we've 534 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: talked to this and no end too. I don't think 535 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: they can be a contender if he rides in in 536 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: week thirteen on a white horse to save the day, 537 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: especially if he's never playing all in the preciated asn't 538 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: play in the preseason, didn't play last year like this, 539 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 1: the season for them is shot. However, if he gets 540 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: a year and you add Jimmy, I think you can 541 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 1: be a mediocre team and you hope the Chips land 542 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: where they want. It was still no, it's not the plan. 543 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: A nobody's seen Jimmy Garoppolo passed a football pa you 544 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: know at all? Uh, he didn't apparently start throwing a 545 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: football until a couple of weeks ago because he had 546 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: shoulder surgery off season. Um, Sam was as we're seeing 547 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: around here, it takes new guys, you know. I mean, 548 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: I understand that the Stefanski offense is similar to what 549 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,360 Speaker 1: he's run through his career, and I'm sure he'll learn 550 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,719 Speaker 1: quicker than if he was thrown into an all new system. 551 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: But adding a quarterback this late in the process, Like 552 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: I even worry about Baker Mayfield wheel and coming in 553 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: that late or if Jimmy goes to Seattle or whatever, 554 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: you know, Like I wouldn't count on instant production at all. 555 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: And not only that, did the Browns want to trade 556 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: more draft picks for quarterbacks just to survive, just to 557 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: survive this year? They're probably probably not Garoppolo doesn't make 558 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 1: you a super Bowl contender. I don't think so. I mean, 559 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: if it was hunt for Garoppolo straight up, and maybe 560 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: and the other the other problem is that you don't 561 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: benefit from it, no, because you don't even have your 562 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: first round draft pick next year, right like you could. 563 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: They could go five and twelve this year, have a 564 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: top ten pick, and they don't get it, and they 565 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: don't get it. They don't get Will Anderson or whoever 566 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: the one you know. And the other thing is then 567 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you've got like eighty million dollars 568 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: wrapped up in your quarterback room, you know, like this 569 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: is not how we built this ship to try to 570 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: sail it, you know, and it's a disaster. So I 571 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 1: think it's gonna go very poorly for Cleveland. I think 572 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: you're in trouble. I think they're trying deep trouble. They're 573 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: they're flailing away on a you know, there's just enough 574 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: room on the on the on the door for what's 575 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: her face from Kate winslet the whole sitting gold onto 576 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: the board, and Leo Leonardo DiCaprio is sinking fast, sinking fast. Yeah, 577 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: I think that they made a egregious air and aggressive 578 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: move with all this, just thinking it would blow over. 579 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: You get six games and then we'll be fine and 580 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: you know, live on for another day. And I think 581 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: the League's is not gonna take it, you know, which 582 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: I commend the league for. They easily could turn the 583 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: back to the wrong word. But they could have just said, 584 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: all right, you got six games, an arbitrator nailed it, 585 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: and we'll move on. And then a year from out 586 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: doesn't come up as much anymore. And you know, I'm 587 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: glad that's not the precedent they're setting for future endeavor. Yeah. 588 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: The other part of this is, you know, the league 589 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: wants him to have to reapply for or apply for reinstatement. 590 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: But once it's all done, yeah, so there's no guarantee. 591 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: You know, they want some stipulations put in there that 592 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: he has to go to counseling, uh talk about this stuff. 593 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: And like, I'm sure he'll do those things, but that 594 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's going to be a good boy or 595 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: that he's gonna get reinstated. I mean, he's the cases 596 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: that were involved here with Worth, they were all in 597 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: like an eighteen month period, Like he went to like 598 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: sixty eight mssus is in a in an eighteen month period, 599 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: right in know, it was that condemned ridiculous. Yeah, it 600 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: was a New York Times report on that that not 601 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: even New York Time because there was no word of this, 602 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: you know, coming out of Clemson or I mean, I 603 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: don't know if it's a new development in his life 604 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: or whatever. But even like Josh Gordon, remember when he 605 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: got suspended, much different situation, totally substance abuse stuff, but 606 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: he had to wait and reapply for reinstatement too, and 607 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: that was not a slam dunk for him either, you know. 608 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: You know, so that part of it would be a 609 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: big deal for maybe for next year. Yeah. They also 610 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: so if you're the Browns, are you just treating for 611 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: set like the one? Yes, even in the preseason and 612 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: all that. Like, I got seasons close already. I don't 613 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: know exactly either. You know, they're they're already down draft picks. 614 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: What would they have possibly the trade to San Francisco 615 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt val if they want of those. Yeah, I 616 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: don't know. San Francisco one dream they got seventy two 617 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: running backs also has some off the field stuff, you know, 618 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: so yeah, and cost money and costs money and he's 619 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: a good player, but they may not want to running 620 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: back and we're happy there are guys we've drafted one 621 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: of the last two years, and Mitchell's the number one. 622 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: Sure hunts better than them, But I don't know that 623 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: I want to make that deal. I want picks, you know, yeah, picks, picks, picks, 624 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: it's all about. Yeah. So that's that's certainly bears watching here, 625 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: and uh, hopefully it's soon, though I don't I think 626 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: it seems like it's bubbling and you know, like, let's 627 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: just get this over with. I bet the league wants 628 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: to get it behind them, and they absolutely and let's 629 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: talk about football and week ones coming and every team's 630 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: gonna be on in action and turn on NFL Network 631 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: and there's a game. Last thing and one is that 632 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: you know, whatever network is carrying the Browns game that okay, 633 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about the Shawn Watson this entire here's this, 634 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: here's video of the Shawn Watson going through the preseed 635 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: and look at it. Look DeShawn Watson looks in this 636 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: preseason game. I want that leading ESPN on on Saturday 637 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: or whatever day that they play. We're breaking into Sunday 638 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: Night Football to tell you about Watson suspension or you know, 639 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: they want to be football and positive and you know 640 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: all the stuff we really want to see. So I mean, 641 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: they're marketing people like anyone else. So I'm sure that 642 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: they'll get it over soon pretty good and stuff. Do 643 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: you think that part's fair to the Browns? That no 644 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: one is crying for the Browns? And I'm certainly not 645 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: one of them, but I think they deserve might not 646 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: be the right word, but at least have a claim to. 647 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: I'd like to know this stuff before the season starts. Yeah, 648 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, there's no new evidence from what 649 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: I gather. Um, Mike Tomlin apparently yesterday told the CBS Sports. 650 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: When I'm including Brant McFadden, who was here at camp yesterday, 651 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: that Mr. Rbinsky leads the Steelers quarterback race, but Kenny 652 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: Pickett and Mason Rudolph are making it difficult. That's an 653 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: interesting way of phrasing it. But it's Robinsky is going 654 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: to be the Steelers starting quarterback. Yeah, let's let's get 655 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: this out of there. Like, this is not any kind 656 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: of quarterback competition that I've ever seen, nor is taking 657 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: in every snap with the first team. That's what I's 658 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: gonna ask you, Like, it's been a long times has 659 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: been a quarterback competition around here, But you've been around 660 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: a long I've I've covered Steelers quarterback competitions and this 661 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: is not one of them. Is this is not this 662 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: is not one of them. In fact, I talked to 663 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: Matt Canada the other day and they don't revolve the 664 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: number two quarterback once in a round. Wow, And the 665 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: quarterback competitions that that's really the only thing that's And 666 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: that's what he said, Like I'm I'm trying to get 667 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: Canada to say something about the quarterback you know's Mitt 668 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: Robinsky the guy, And he said he said something about, well, 669 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: you know we've been we've been rotating you know, two 670 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: and three pretty consistently rotating one. And that's what I said. 671 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: It was, well, you've you've rotated is two and three. Yes, 672 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: but we we've consistently seen Trabinsky with ones with the ones. 673 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: And he kind of looked at me and smiled because 674 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: and then he's like, but we haven't decided anything yet. 675 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: It's decided. Yeah, it's decided. I don't blame him one 676 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: bit for saying those things. And I think you want 677 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: the league and some of these I don't say dumb, 678 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: but yeah, these national sites will still be like, oh, 679 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: the biggest competition and see those campus quarterback you know. 680 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: And I think Tomlin's probably like, yeah, I keep printing 681 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: that stuff. You know. I want anyone to think that 682 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: there is But anyone close or not so close knows 683 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: the Trabinsky is a starter here. Practice has been handled accordingly. 684 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: He's been handled accordingly since the day they signed him. 685 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: And it didn't change by using a first round pick 686 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: on a quarterback. I mean he's the starting quarterback. That's 687 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: the end of the story. Yeah, I mean he has 688 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: done nothing to lose the job. No matter what, he's 689 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: done nothing to lose the job. And that's what would 690 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: have had to have happened. Right, he could be a 691 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,320 Speaker 1: disaster in the preseason. They're still gonna start him a 692 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 1: week one, right, And he's got the most experience, and 693 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: he's the guy. You know again, he's been good here. 694 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 1: He's the guy that gives them the best chance to 695 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 1: win in week one. Agreed, Agreed. Yeah, I mean, if 696 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: you want to talk about a competition and quotes between 697 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: Rudolph and Pickett, fine, you know, I mean that's sort 698 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: of interesting. You know, that's like a little more interesting 699 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: than talking about who the backup Nickel is or you know. 700 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,479 Speaker 1: But all in all, I think all their the game 701 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: plan for all three players to me, is very well 702 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 1: set out. Mitch, you're the guy. We hope you're the 703 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 1: guy for the next thirty years. You know, Kenny, we 704 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: loved you coming out of pit um. Possibly there were 705 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: nineteen human beings in this draft we liked better than you. 706 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: Maybe probably not, but you were very high on our list. 707 00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: We want to develop you and we have great hope 708 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: for you, but we don't think you're ready yet. Such 709 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 1: as life, you know, keep working, Mason, You're not going 710 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: anywhere because you're valuable to us, and you keep playing 711 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: well on as you said to open the show day 712 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: after day. Mason kind of does the same thing here. Yeah, 713 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: and he's a quality player, you know. I want to 714 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 1: talk about that when we come back more about that 715 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: that situation. Uh. He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. 716 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: You're listening to the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio 717 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: and ESPN nine seventy. We are alive from St. Vincent 718 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: College and we'll be back with more right after this 719 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on Home of the 720 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:56,399 Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back. I am 721 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,879 Speaker 1: Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson. This is the Dry 722 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,800 Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN nine seventy. Um. I 723 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: guess we're having some technical issues on Steelers Nation Radio play. 724 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 1: We are being broadcaster here in ESPN nine seventy and 725 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: I met uh you mentioned Mason Rudolph has kind of 726 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 1: been the steady Eddie kind of thing, right. Um. I 727 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,839 Speaker 1: still get questions about when are they going to trade 728 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph, Like why are the why don't they trade 729 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: Mason Ruove, Why don't you get rid of Why aren't 730 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 1: people so quick to want to get rid of Mason Rudolph? 731 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: And if Kenny Pickott be the number two. First of all, 732 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: if Pickett's number two, that means Chris a lot of 733 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,439 Speaker 1: con is number three. He hasn't taken it like he's 734 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:45,280 Speaker 1: taken like anything. Yeah, you have two backups picks practice, 735 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: but I mean they have done hanging. But you're two 736 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: backups are two guys who have never thrown in the 737 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: NFL pass. That's what happened to look overwhelmed. Yeah, that's 738 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,800 Speaker 1: what happened to twenty nineteen. Now, Mason Rudolph wasn't a 739 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 1: rookie at that point. He was a second year guy, 740 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: but he was, but were throwing an NFL pass. I 741 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: mean this version of maation much better than that one 742 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,800 Speaker 1: shoulders above it. See, people don't get that part of it, 743 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: in my opinion, Like I think they look at and 744 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 1: be like, well, I remember he got thrown in there, 745 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: you know, when Ben was down and he wasn't so great. 746 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: And as we often say, you can get better, and 747 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 1: he's definitely gotten better. His practices are better than then. 748 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 1: I'm sure his games will also be better. He's been 749 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 1: around the block. He understands the speed of the game. Again, 750 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 1: he's a constant and folks, here's The thing is, what 751 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: do you think you'll get in return for Rudolph? Nothing 752 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 1: that compares to the value that he has to this 753 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 1: team right now. I mean best case scenario, I think 754 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,760 Speaker 1: you get a fifth and that's like maybe the cults 755 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 1: adore him and they want a younger guy behind Ryan 756 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 1: or you know whatever, maybe they'd give you a fifth. 757 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 1: I think he had a six or seventh. Form that's 758 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 1: not worth that's not worth it. No, it's just not 759 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: worth it. Uh for an NFL quarterback that his age, 760 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: that can play snaps and it's familiar in his valuable 761 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: on game day. Yeah, if you look at the backup 762 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 1: I'm looking here that this is. This was from CBS 763 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: Sports dot Com earlier this year, ranking the backup quarterbacks 764 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: that exercise in the league, and so they have their 765 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 1: their top ten the best of the vets. These are, 766 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: by the way, the Bengals would kill for Mason. Oh absolutely. 767 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: I don't even know how they're running a practice right now. 768 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: The guys that they had one of the Allen's that 769 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,359 Speaker 1: isn't the one in Buffalo. Yes, that's the wrong Allen. Right. 770 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 1: Um So Tyrod Taylor with the Giants is considered the 771 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 1: tenth best veteran backup. Fair enough, he's nothing a long time. 772 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 1: But that's a case with Chase Daniels and all these 773 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 1: guys that have been sitting on the bench. You assume 774 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: they don't get worse, but they they do. I mean, 775 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: he's not the same in year ten as he was 776 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: in year six. Andy Dalton with the Saints is considered 777 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,400 Speaker 1: as on that list. Okay, I mean I think a 778 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 1: generic team would have a better chance of winning a 779 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,880 Speaker 1: game with Dalton than Rudolph. But I think it's close. 780 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 1: It's pretty close. I mean Dalton does nothing for me. 781 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 1: Um Jacoby Broussette, Well, he's going to be a starter. 782 00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: Now this was this came out a little while ago. 783 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 1: So the Browns Rudolph, but right now, so the Brown's 784 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 1: backup though right now is Dobbs are rosen. Tobbs are rosen, 785 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: like Mason. Rudolph's way better than those. Yeah, I see 786 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: your point. Now, Yes, I don't think we're setting Rudolf 787 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 1: for that much different either. No, I prefer or set, 788 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 1: but not by leaps and bounds with Case Keenum. Uh, 789 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,359 Speaker 1: it's Case Keenums with the Bills. He got moved. Yeah, 790 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: he's for him. He's the ordinary's grits. He's the Colt McCoy, 791 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 1: Chase or Chase Daniel Better in the league for a 792 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 1: million years and will be for a million years. And 793 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: it's okay, Taylor Heineke with commanders very limited talent, but 794 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,359 Speaker 1: he's tough and been around the block. You know, it'll 795 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: last another eight years in the league. I might have 796 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 1: rather have Rudolph though, Oh I think I would. Yeah, 797 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,279 Speaker 1: I think I would. I think Washington with two uh 798 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,399 Speaker 1: five his gardner minshew, I okay, I'll take, I'll take. Yeah. 799 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 1: I think he brings a little more swagger and stuff. 800 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,280 Speaker 1: The cult. Yeah, the Colts backup breakdown is nick Oles. 801 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,720 Speaker 1: I forgot that. Yeah, yuck. He's another one will last forever. 802 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: I mean, some of these guys are the same mold 803 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: and Rudolph might have a similar to career, these guys 804 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,879 Speaker 1: that last for long time quality backup. But I think 805 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,800 Speaker 1: there's more to be written with him than as opposed 806 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 1: to case Keenum and especially Nick Fole. You know, Cult 807 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 1: McCoy or you know the Dolphins brought in Teddy Bridgewater 808 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 1: and give him. Then he gave him money, um, which 809 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: is really just a red flag on the starter. I'm 810 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,840 Speaker 1: not a Bridgewater fan at all, but I think his 811 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: track record is pretty solid. He's a better version of 812 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,399 Speaker 1: Dalton at this stage. I think he's the best name 813 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,919 Speaker 1: you mentioned he I'd take him over Tyrod Taylor. Yeah, 814 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 1: I think i'd take him over anyone that the Seahawks 815 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 1: are gonna trot out there. But here's some of the 816 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 1: other backups around the league. The Cardinals is cult McCoy, 817 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 1: all right, I'd rather have oh Rudolf. Yeah, the Seahawks, 818 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 1: it's either gonna be Drew Locker Gino Smith, because one 819 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: of them is gonna win the starting job. To be 820 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 1: fair to lock if we're still gonna say Rudolph has 821 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: a chance to improve in his career. Smith is what 822 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,400 Speaker 1: he is. Though. He is what he is, and we 823 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,799 Speaker 1: saw him here last year. I mean he's he's fine 824 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,800 Speaker 1: for a game or two, as it's a case with 825 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,279 Speaker 1: a lot of these guys, and then everyone realizes their 826 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: faults or he's good for a drive or a half 827 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,800 Speaker 1: or two games. He's not good for six. He's not 828 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 1: good for extended stretch because you're not gonna win a lot. No, 829 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 1: they get exposed. I mean, Heineck is a perfect example, 830 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: he just doesn't throw the football well enough. And the 831 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 1: defenses know these things about these guys. Now, it might 832 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 1: take a game or two till you see it really 833 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 1: implemented on the field, but they're gonna make Heinick throw 834 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 1: outside the numbers, and they're gonna crowd the middle of 835 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,839 Speaker 1: the field, and eventually he'll get exposed and make throws 836 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,719 Speaker 1: he shouldn't. Chad Henny is with the Chiefs. You recruiting 837 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 1: cha right. There are very few that I remember their 838 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 1: high school taple. But there's another guy on here. You're 839 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 1: gonna when we get we're gonna get to him as well. Uh. 840 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 1: Chase Daniel with the Chargers made so much money for 841 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,760 Speaker 1: doing so little. Yeah, good for him. C J. Bethard 842 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 1: with the Jaguars. GM's grandson that every coach adores. He'll 843 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,880 Speaker 1: probably be Frank Wright twenty years from you know, or 844 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: Peterson or Garrett or one of those guys. Brandon Allen 845 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 1: right now is taking first team steps for the for 846 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: the Bengals. He's one of the wrong Allen's. I mean again, 847 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 1: I don't know how you running practice with Brandon Allen 848 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 1: day after day after day, day after day. Do you 849 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: think Jamar Chase is loving that right now. You know, 850 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,240 Speaker 1: Josh Johnson and Brett Rippian with the Broncos. Josh Johnson 851 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 1: and we didn't recruit Josh Johnson, but I got his 852 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,320 Speaker 1: high school tape. He's been with two teams. Yeah, and 853 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,320 Speaker 1: that doesn't that doesn't include his USFL and yeah, twenty 854 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: two teams or something like that, and some of them 855 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 1: for a week, some of them for a month. You know, 856 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,239 Speaker 1: good for him. He's a millionaire, I'm sure, and he's 857 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,360 Speaker 1: lasted a really long time. But wow, Kyle Allen with 858 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 1: the Texans. I don't know if there's any difference between 859 00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,280 Speaker 1: the non Buffalo Allen's, but okay, all those Allen inches 860 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: of the same size. Playing Gabbert with the Buccaneers, I mean, 861 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,759 Speaker 1: I'd much rather have Rudolf without a doubt, right, I mean, 862 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 1: maybe i'd rather have Trask. Yeah, that's a different conversationsation. 863 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 1: He's not that he's not the backup. Brady gets hurt 864 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,680 Speaker 1: playing Gabbert's playing perfect example with what the Steelers. I mean, 865 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,239 Speaker 1: no one hears on Brady. I'm not seeing that, but 866 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 1: I'm sure in Week one, whoever the Bucks play, Gabbert's 867 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,160 Speaker 1: going to be active and Trask won't. Does that mean 868 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:30,520 Speaker 1: Trask is junk? Not necessarily because Brady. If Brady were 869 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 1: to get hurt for a long term, they probably turned 870 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 1: to a young guy, right right right. If Brady never 871 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,839 Speaker 1: plays again for the Bucks starting today, I'm sure Trash 872 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,400 Speaker 1: would get his chance. But on week one, if Brady 873 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,000 Speaker 1: gets hurt in the fourth quarter, Gabert can get you 874 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,920 Speaker 1: in and out of the game, may win it all. 875 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,320 Speaker 1: And I and Rudolf's better than Gabbert. With the Bears 876 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:55,880 Speaker 1: is Trevor Simeon. So he started what like half a 877 00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:01,239 Speaker 1: year and will be eternally and ANFL player and never 878 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:06,359 Speaker 1: really did much of anything. The Patriots is Brian Ware. Yeah, 879 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,160 Speaker 1: you recruited him. Yeah, we actually turned him down. He 880 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:10,759 Speaker 1: wanted to be a Panther and end up going to 881 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,719 Speaker 1: Michigan State. Yeah, stay gnacious in Cleveland. Here's another one. 882 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,840 Speaker 1: Joe Flacco with the Jets. Joe is a little different 883 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,800 Speaker 1: than that. He had a really good career, you know, 884 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:22,960 Speaker 1: and he's probably just hanging on a year or two 885 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,880 Speaker 1: too long. And they want to keep paying you, they 886 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 1: keep paying me. I'll keep coming back, And I don't 887 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,839 Speaker 1: know that he's the best mentor in the world either. 888 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,400 Speaker 1: But he's had a good career and you know nobody 889 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,520 Speaker 1: wants him to start anymore. Jared stid him with the 890 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,560 Speaker 1: Raiders like a Brady got hurt. I don't think they're 891 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 1: banging the right. The Raiders brought in Jim Uh Cooper 892 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,520 Speaker 1: RuSHA Josh Daniels like him, right, Cooper Rush with the Cowboys. 893 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,480 Speaker 1: It's amazing me they don't have some but the adult 894 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,239 Speaker 1: in a couple of years ago, they're just doing the 895 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 1: money John Wolford with the Rams, and now we're just 896 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,080 Speaker 1: getting into the cheap backup Seawn Manum with the Vikings. 897 00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 1: And there's a logic behind some of these guys, is 898 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,680 Speaker 1: well Stafford gets hurt our season shot anyways, such as life. 899 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not gonna pay the backup that the 900 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,840 Speaker 1: drop offs too short. I'd rather give that money to, 901 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,280 Speaker 1: you know, any other position, which I sort of understand, 902 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 1: but you know, going the Cooper Rush Mannion route where 903 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,200 Speaker 1: they don't make anything and hope that they develop, is 904 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 1: not wise. And the final one is David blow with 905 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,279 Speaker 1: the Lions. That's who he is. Like, There's there's about 906 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,640 Speaker 1: a dozen names there and I'd rather have they didn't 907 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,839 Speaker 1: bring up those Huntley with Baltimore. Yeah, he's listening under 908 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,279 Speaker 1: the young guys. Okay, yeah, that's I think he still 909 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 1: has a chance. Everyone overreacted to two or thres They 910 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,680 Speaker 1: most certainly did. He got exposed to. But I'll take 911 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,920 Speaker 1: him over blow. He threw sideways like crazy, and he 912 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,439 Speaker 1: runs and he runs. So he's a great backup for Lamar, 913 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,560 Speaker 1: but he still never wanted. He's never won a game 914 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,640 Speaker 1: as a backup. And they had a team last year 915 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,640 Speaker 1: that when he began to start was like eight and four. Yeah, yeah, 916 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,480 Speaker 1: game like Rudolph has won games in the NFL, important games. 917 00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,799 Speaker 1: You don't want Rudolph to run the Raven system, of course, 918 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,120 Speaker 1: and you don't want you know, hunt Leader on Steeler system. 919 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,680 Speaker 1: There's no question right now, maybe more so than years past, 920 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,239 Speaker 1: but he's not gonna run the Ram system, you know, 921 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,000 Speaker 1: right right He's in the right team. But he's a backup. 922 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:18,800 Speaker 1: Rudolf is top twelve backup in the league. Yes, I 923 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 1: think he's a top I'm very comfortable saying he's a 924 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,719 Speaker 1: top forty five quarterback in the league. You know what's 925 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,600 Speaker 1: hard about quarterback rankings is is he better than Zack 926 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,080 Speaker 1: Wilson maybe, but we're never gonna know. I mean, well, 927 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 1: some of these guys that the year one and two guys. 928 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,600 Speaker 1: Is he better than you know, he's better than Picking? 929 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,279 Speaker 1: Is he better than Willis he's better than Ridder? I 930 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,680 Speaker 1: have no idea. I've seen him, Yeah, but I mean 931 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,920 Speaker 1: if him and Ritter were in direct, direct conversation competition, 932 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,279 Speaker 1: who knows. I mean, I don't think he's as good 933 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,120 Speaker 1: as Mariota. I don't think he's as good as probably 934 00:46:53,239 --> 00:47:01,040 Speaker 1: thirty one starters. You knows, Brissette. I would prefer Seattle guys. 935 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,759 Speaker 1: I would not prefer, but I think he's those are 936 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,759 Speaker 1: those are the comps? Yeah, I mean, you know he's 937 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,080 Speaker 1: again in that top forty five conversation. It's just gonna 938 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:16,080 Speaker 1: give him away, like David blows. Not in the top conversation, 939 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:17,719 Speaker 1: There aren't many on that list. It's in the top 940 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,160 Speaker 1: forty five. Like if if if they had to start Mason, 941 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,200 Speaker 1: they had to start Mason Rudolph. Let's say Trubisky got 942 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,200 Speaker 1: hurt in the preseason and they just think pic it's 943 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:27,840 Speaker 1: totally not ready, but he's only gonna miss like a 944 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,680 Speaker 1: game or two. You're starting Mason Rudolf in the opener, Yeah, 945 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,719 Speaker 1: I mean the idea is to win football games. Yeah, 946 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,439 Speaker 1: I guess that's a better example. I was gonna say 947 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,919 Speaker 1: Trubisky plays the first four games or two and two, 948 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,919 Speaker 1: he's playing well, everyone's happy with them, rolls an ankle. 949 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,960 Speaker 1: He's gonna miss one game, I assume, Rudolf. Yeah, I 950 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,759 Speaker 1: mean if he was oh and four and Trobinsky has 951 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:54,640 Speaker 1: been awful, maybe that's the time you then then, But 952 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,440 Speaker 1: you're not gonna just because they don't want to throw 953 00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,400 Speaker 1: a picket into the wolves here. That's where guys get ruined. 954 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I can even hear things to take your 955 00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,080 Speaker 1: conversation about. Hey, guys, tra Whisky is the starter even 956 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,040 Speaker 1: further and Rudolf as backup. I keep hearing things, or 957 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,879 Speaker 1: if I'm on a radio station that's not Pittsburgh, they'll 958 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,640 Speaker 1: lask me, well, pick it's definitely starting after the bye, right, No, 959 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,920 Speaker 1: I don't know that to be true at all. I 960 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,480 Speaker 1: would bet not. I mean, Trabisky would have to be 961 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,960 Speaker 1: a failure. Could he fail, of course he could, but 962 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,000 Speaker 1: he would have to be a failure. And even consider 963 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,880 Speaker 1: that absolutely, Yeah, he is Matt Williams and I am 964 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,560 Speaker 1: Dale Lally. You're listening to the Drive here on Steelers 965 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,160 Speaker 1: Nation Radio and ESPN nine seventy live from training camp 966 00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,399 Speaker 1: here at St. Vincent College. We're gonna take a break. 967 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,719 Speaker 1: We'll be back with our two right after this