Speaker 1: Welcome to the seventh annual Around the NFL Fantasy Extravaguns.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hans is coming to you from
Speaker 1: the virtual room filled with heroes. Mark Sessler, Greg Rosatal,
Speaker 1: Ricky Hollywood. What's up? My first question? Do we have
Speaker 1: the rights for this uh epic music? If we didn't,
Speaker 1: you drew attention to it anyways. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it's in our library. I think anything over a hundred
Speaker 1: years old you on the rights too. That's from the
Speaker 1: hundred So I think we're all set on this. Why
Speaker 1: and why does the music sound like this? Greg's gonna
Speaker 1: ask after we're done recording. The reason is because this
Speaker 1: is a celebration. It's a celebration of fantasy royalty, and
Speaker 1: we're going all the way back to the time of
Speaker 1: kings and queens UH to give you the best best
Speaker 1: fantasy advice and insight possible as you get ready to
Speaker 1: draft in the next couple of weeks ahead of Week
Speaker 1: one kickoff. That's why it is the extravaganza. And we
Speaker 1: have an incredible yes now because I want to hear
Speaker 1: the lineup. No, we have an incredible lineup joining us
Speaker 1: in a couple of minutes. We have the Great Adam
Speaker 1: Rank of NFL Network, another his pal, his colleague and
Speaker 1: our friend Marcus Grant also joining us. Liz Loza of
Speaker 1: Yahoo who knows her stuff. Evan Silva the big Fish
Speaker 1: joins us, and then Matthew Berry, one of the most
Speaker 1: well known fantasy guys out there, joints the around the
Speaker 1: NFL podcast Fantasy Extravaganza. I mean, Greg, how about that?
Speaker 1: I mean you built who let's talk about it. You
Speaker 1: built wrote a world brick by brick, So I know
Speaker 1: that your standards are high when it comes to who
Speaker 1: the guest list is in an exercise like this, How
Speaker 1: you feeling right? I'm feeling ship her his tingles like
Speaker 1: the excitement. Not you know, I missed, I missed West
Speaker 1: Who you know, Chris Wesley who helped me build it.
Speaker 1: Fellow brick layer, you know brick by Brick at Road
Speaker 1: to World along with Silva. Um. But I also I
Speaker 1: feel like this is a celebration because it's a culmination.
Speaker 1: It's a culmination of a seven year process of a
Speaker 1: man named Mark Sessler being out on a street corner,
Speaker 1: not even really not even really inside the Fantasy Extravaganza UM,
Speaker 1: a guy who thought of it. You know, fantasy heads
Speaker 1: were hobby horses as he waited um for some sort
Speaker 1: of world ending event to happen. And then here we are,
Speaker 1: in the middle of a pandemic. The world event ending
Speaker 1: event is here, and there's Mark embracing fantasy like never before,
Speaker 1: looking for fantasy Street Corner, now fully gentrified, and he's
Speaker 1: in out of the cold, and he's talking a DP
Speaker 1: leading up to today's show. He's sitting in on mock
Speaker 1: drafts with strangers and now here he is with us
Speaker 1: for the first time ever on the Extravaganza as a
Speaker 1: full time member. You know it was it was about
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes ago that I had to ask Greg, like,
Speaker 1: what is the sight that you used to get like
Speaker 1: the official a DP on these guys. So I really
Speaker 1: I view got you guys just like um, like my
Speaker 1: my parents taking me into into the big city for
Speaker 1: the first time, and I'm kind of holding your hands
Speaker 1: and like in all of the big buildings and busses.
Speaker 1: So you know, I I couldn't be more of a newbie.
Speaker 1: But let's give it a go. All right, this is exciting.
Speaker 1: This is our sevent annual Fantasy Extrono Fanca and um
Speaker 1: without further ado, we welcome the man who was part
Speaker 1: of last year's event, which I believe was the annual
Speaker 1: Fantasy Extravaganza. He is the legend himself, Adam Rank. Oh, yes,
Speaker 1: the king himself, the man that mixes mirth with fantasy
Speaker 1: like no one else. Rank. What's up? What's going on?
Speaker 1: You know what part of me feels like I should
Speaker 1: be offended that I'm the curtain jerker on this show,
Speaker 1: Like you're going for the whole list of like all
Speaker 1: the luminaries and then here's me coming out first. Hey,
Speaker 1: everybody stick around for Pablo friends, Like that's where you know,
Speaker 1: you know, these guys got to come with the heat.
Speaker 1: If we're asking you to do, you know you're not
Speaker 1: You're not Barry Harwitz. Rank don't know. That's it. That's
Speaker 1: exactly what I am. I am Hurricane Helms. I'm here
Speaker 1: to just look up at the lights at the end
Speaker 1: of the at the end of my three minute match,
Speaker 1: and you're happy with all. Although I will point out
Speaker 1: that brock Lessner kicked off WrestleMania two years ago, so
Speaker 1: somehow in my mind, as I was waiting backstage in
Speaker 1: the green room, I had decided, like I'm the brock
Speaker 1: lessner of this thing. So it's a relevant it's a
Speaker 1: relevant complaint, Adam, I think you should you should maybe
Speaker 1: look into it. And why why if you go to
Speaker 1: a roast, you know, you go to one of those
Speaker 1: roasts or whatever, who do they have go this? Jessel
Speaker 1: ended up? He doesn't start out. You start out big
Speaker 1: and maybe not the biggest, and goes goes first, which
Speaker 1: is fine. And I think that it's it's perfectly acceptable
Speaker 1: to be in awe of what Matthew Berry has done.
Speaker 1: And it's like, okay, but still I gotta go first,
Speaker 1: like that's just like and the thing is and it's
Speaker 1: not only that, and the thing that kind of got
Speaker 1: me the other day too, and like, listen, I love
Speaker 1: matt Berry, like there's no disrespect. But Gardner mins Gardner
Speaker 1: Minshew is doing a commercial for an alcohol company and
Speaker 1: there's there's a contest. I don't want to say who
Speaker 1: it is. I don't want that. They didn't pay me
Speaker 1: to be in this commercial, so why am I giving
Speaker 1: them the rub? And Gardner Minshew who he name drops
Speaker 1: Matthew Berry and Gardner Minshew plays for Tony Cohn's Jacksonville Jaguars.
Speaker 1: And last year when we did League One, was there
Speaker 1: was there a w w E superstar on that show? No,
Speaker 1: there was not. I went in the family, I had
Speaker 1: Code and Brandy Rhodes be a part of League One.
Speaker 1: And then there's a commercial with Gardner and I don't
Speaker 1: get to beat he he doesn't name drop me. How
Speaker 1: dare you deserve I get that I deserved the rub, Like,
Speaker 1: come on, Tony, I can just say my name. A
Speaker 1: wide variety of complaints here, you know, JOI, this is
Speaker 1: all yeah, there's like that's my normal role. Well you
Speaker 1: know what, Actually we had Sessler on the Fantasy Spectacular.
Speaker 1: I mean he's still he mean when that's the synergy
Speaker 1: that we're looking for at him. They talk about that
Speaker 1: in our office when we used to go to an office,
Speaker 1: and I think that we we you know, we gave
Speaker 1: them a piece of pie right there. That's a big
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. And now it's crossover. I
Speaker 1: love this. I love comes n I know, I know
Speaker 1: when it's it's like when the kids they used to
Speaker 1: do this. And again, I'll go back to the wrestling analogies,
Speaker 1: because you know, the four people who've ever heard of
Speaker 1: me always know me for wrestling, and it's like when
Speaker 1: like when Ring of Honor guys show up a new
Speaker 1: jap Pan, it's like super cool. You're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: here's Cody and he's you know, he's fighting the Rainmaker
Speaker 1: or whatever. It is, like, no one knows what you're
Speaker 1: talking about. You know. The four guys, the four guys
Speaker 1: who know who I am. Those guys they my Blue
Speaker 1: World Order shirt is being blocked by this microphone. They
Speaker 1: still know what it is. That's that's how in tune
Speaker 1: they are to me and professional wrestling play the hits.
Speaker 1: I always say, you know, don't listen. They would be
Speaker 1: disappointed if I didn't do no disrespect. There's a great
Speaker 1: line There is a great lineup. Though I appreciate being on.
Speaker 1: Though appreciate you were here later and you killed it.
Speaker 1: So we have to lead it off with family and
Speaker 1: ranks of perfect Choice and you know of all the
Speaker 1: great stuff you do both on NFL Network and by
Speaker 1: the way, check out I Believe and no it's not
Speaker 1: off brand. Does does the Fantasy Spectacular sound kind of
Speaker 1: similar to the Fantasy Extravaganza? Yeah, but the fantasy guys
Speaker 1: NFL media are doing their own thing, and they kill
Speaker 1: this fantasy game weekend and week out. So make sure
Speaker 1: you check out the Spectacular, which just uh came out
Speaker 1: this week and one of your most popular things you
Speaker 1: do between just you know that it was amazing. He
Speaker 1: killed it. It was amazing and I couldn't stop watching it.
Speaker 1: If you watch the minute sizzle reel, Sessler is the
Speaker 1: headliner of that. See we didn't put Sessler first. We
Speaker 1: put Kyle Brandt first. We kept Sessler for the end,
Speaker 1: which is kind of not what's happened. Right. Well, we've
Speaker 1: learned our lesson clearly how Rank expects to be treated
Speaker 1: when he's on the A T N pot and we
Speaker 1: will we will act accordingly in the future. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about don't be that guy. Because rankings is written work
Speaker 1: on the dot com, on the network. Don't be that
Speaker 1: guy with the draft coming up, get us, get us going, Rank,
Speaker 1: tell us how you should avoid being that guy. Don't
Speaker 1: be that guy. Well, thank you so much for that
Speaker 1: that kind setup. And I know and anybody here's to
Speaker 1: who's listening for like sleepers and all that stuff. Listen there,
Speaker 1: you heard the lineup. There are people way more qualified
Speaker 1: than me to talk about that stuff. I'm more of
Speaker 1: like your friend who is there, and I'm trying to
Speaker 1: advise people. And I know a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: you have the huge UK audience, which is amazing, and
Speaker 1: I know a lot of them are getting into fantasy football.
Speaker 1: So there's a couple of little tips I would like
Speaker 1: to tell them before they start their fantasy draft, because
Speaker 1: there's always gonna be one person who seems out of place,
Speaker 1: who seems like they're in over their head in fantasy.
Speaker 1: And if you don't know who that person is, then
Speaker 1: it's you. I kind of want to help you out. Now,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. Like these are it's well, it's there's
Speaker 1: so many things. Yeah, and so maybe I'm speaking to
Speaker 1: an audience of one right now. This is Mark Sessler
Speaker 1: as he's getting down from four to one. Now, listen,
Speaker 1: anybody who sees me at the comedy store or flappers,
Speaker 1: this is usually my thing. It's like there's one person
Speaker 1: who gets me in a room full of three hundred
Speaker 1: and I focus in on that person and they get like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I killed I killed one guy, Like listen the other
Speaker 1: two nine nine They were like whatever, but why is
Speaker 1: he a copy of Catcher in the Ryan his pocket
Speaker 1: concerning wait, was that a throwback to that Melt Gibson movie,
Speaker 1: which was a throwback to the UH to remove Jodie
Speaker 1: Foster from society? So all right, right and call your
Speaker 1: time is up here and listen. You're talking about world events.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about conspiracy theory, one of Julia roberts least
Speaker 1: known movies that I've seen a thount in times outside
Speaker 1: of motion. Okay, fair enough, fair enough, I'm sorry. I
Speaker 1: know that I'm supposed to I'm here for fantasy stuff.
Speaker 1: But this is why, this is why I was producing
Speaker 1: the show ahead of time, being like, not, you might
Speaker 1: as well not even planning me talking fantasy because it's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. I'm gonna give you a couple. We're
Speaker 1: gonna get it out of you. You're not gonna help
Speaker 1: that guy. Not the guy. Don't be the guy who
Speaker 1: keeps talking and doesn't allow the draft to start, because
Speaker 1: that always happens. Like somebody will come similar to what
Speaker 1: I'm doing right now, where somebody says there filibustering eating
Speaker 1: nachos and you're like, we're're supposed to start this draft
Speaker 1: twenty minutes ago, and you won't shut up about obscure
Speaker 1: movies or whatever it is. We have a draft. Some
Speaker 1: of us have families. We gotta go. But anyways, that
Speaker 1: wasn't one of them. The first one, though, like sincerely,
Speaker 1: is always be prepared. And it always seems weird that
Speaker 1: I have to tell people this because even back in
Speaker 1: the day, and I think that Greg's old enough to
Speaker 1: remember when Fantasy Draft would kind of go like this,
Speaker 1: where you would be driving to your friend's house. You
Speaker 1: would stop by a grocery store. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if anybody remembers grocery stores, but you would go in
Speaker 1: there and buy a magazine and you can google that
Speaker 1: or ask your parents what that was. You would buy
Speaker 1: a magazine and you would show up and you would
Speaker 1: go off these rankings that were written in March, you know,
Speaker 1: before even three agencies started, and you're like, oh, do
Speaker 1: I want to take you know, I'm gonna take DeVonta
Speaker 1: Freeman because they have him take here. You're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: by the way, he's not in the NFL right now.
Speaker 1: That's the thing is that we have all this information
Speaker 1: at our disposal, that we have the all new NFL
Speaker 1: Fantasy app that not only has rankings in a DP mark.
Speaker 1: If you wanted to find a DP you could have
Speaker 1: gone to the all new NFL Fantasy Apple I'm there's
Speaker 1: a link in my i G bio if you want
Speaker 1: to go check it out and download, you can do that.
Speaker 1: You can also you can also win a Travis But now, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm not here to do plugs. I'm not here to
Speaker 1: put over the people who sponsor me or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I listen, you gotta listen. You've got to be an influencer, Dan,
Speaker 1: this is what what is what I do? I mean, like,
Speaker 1: Fantasy's fine, but I'm gonna be an influencer. Listen. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be living off Portillo's gift cards for the rest
Speaker 1: of my life. But I gotta make sure that I
Speaker 1: get all those plugs in in order for that to
Speaker 1: happen and feed my face, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm saying to be prepared. Well, let me
Speaker 1: ask you this. If if you're listening to this podcast
Speaker 1: right now, Rank and your draft is on Sunday night,
Speaker 1: is it already too late to cram? Okay, what's the
Speaker 1: best What's the most effective way to prepare? I would
Speaker 1: once again go and download the all New Fantasy app.
Speaker 1: You will have rankings there. You will have mock drafts.
Speaker 1: I don't like, I can't stress this enough to go
Speaker 1: in and do some mock drafts. You know, like when
Speaker 1: we're leading up to the actual NFL draft, you see
Speaker 1: mock drafts. They're fun. This you can do for fantasy
Speaker 1: and try out a number of different things. Maybe in
Speaker 1: one time you're like, I'm gonna go running back running
Speaker 1: back here and see what my team looks like. Or
Speaker 1: maybe I'll start with the receiver in George Kittle and
Speaker 1: see which running backs I end up with. Or there's
Speaker 1: a number of different things that you can do. So
Speaker 1: you want to go in there and you want to
Speaker 1: be ready. You don't want to go in there and
Speaker 1: and be thrown off because you always want to be
Speaker 1: like the Amiba you. You always gotta be moving, you
Speaker 1: gotta be fluid. You know, you can't let them. You
Speaker 1: can't go on tilt when something like if you're going
Speaker 1: into a draft and you're convinced like I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take Miles Sanders first in the first round to
Speaker 1: be at the end of the draft and if somebody
Speaker 1: picks him ahead of you, then you know, yeah, so
Speaker 1: you've got to be ready for that and be always
Speaker 1: be ready to go. And so that's why you want
Speaker 1: to be prepared. You don't want to be like that
Speaker 1: kid who was in your math class. You remember the
Speaker 1: guy who would show up and he always had a
Speaker 1: gene jacket with a wool callar, we have we have
Speaker 1: a test today, bro, dude, can I borrow a pencil? Like?
Speaker 1: How is this possible? How do you not know? There's
Speaker 1: definitely not me. I was a schoolboy. Really, look at
Speaker 1: me like there was I had nothing going for me
Speaker 1: other than the teachers liked me. Like my if I
Speaker 1: pulled out my high school yearbook right now, it would
Speaker 1: be notes from Mrs White and a Miss Shoemaker like
Speaker 1: hey you were such a great student, thank you. There
Speaker 1: weren't sponsoring you too, good teachers. Yeah, it's not like
Speaker 1: there were girls leaving me notes or messages or anything
Speaker 1: like that. It was the teachers, my friends. So don't
Speaker 1: don't be the guy that's unprepared. I hate that person. Up.
Speaker 1: We got a gag of del taco and you're not ready.
Speaker 1: You're asking the move on my phone? Okay? Sorry. Also,
Speaker 1: here's this is an actual legitimate fantasy tip. And this
Speaker 1: is for the newbies, This is for people. They need
Speaker 1: to know this. Don't take a quarterback early, which goes
Speaker 1: counterintuitive to everything that you know about the NFL, where
Speaker 1: the quarterback is the most important position. Whereas in the NFL,
Speaker 1: if you draft Mitch Robinski and not Patrick Mahomes, you're
Speaker 1: probably not going to win. But in fantasy football, you
Speaker 1: can actually win by skipsey. Ryan Pace should be a
Speaker 1: fantasy player because that way, not taking Mahomes would actually
Speaker 1: work out for you. Because last year. Listen, in the
Speaker 1: first five games of last year, Patrick Mahomes was playing
Speaker 1: at an m v P level. He was awesome, he
Speaker 1: was crushing it. He was still the quarterback five in fantasy.
Speaker 1: The guy who was number one was Lamar Jackson, who
Speaker 1: I drafted in the twelfth round. Like that is what
Speaker 1: And listen, we can talk about the theory of quarterback
Speaker 1: points in anything like that. And I know it's stupid,
Speaker 1: and I know there's people out there who, look, dude,
Speaker 1: I won my league with Jamis Winston last year and
Speaker 1: that's the fantasy footballers and they suck. But no disrespect
Speaker 1: to them, though, but like there's gotta be there's none. No,
Speaker 1: there's gotta be something to Fantasy scoring was like jamis
Speaker 1: through four picks, how did he have his many points
Speaker 1: nearly as Lamar Jackson? Like that it system, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a it's a bad. It gets Chris wesleyan uh
Speaker 1: all fired up that quarterbacks doesn't matter. I would argue though, like,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you say dump be the guy who has like
Speaker 1: some rule that they just stick to that rule, because
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, who was a bigger league winner than
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, People would have said you were the guy
Speaker 1: that took him too early. If you just were, like,
Speaker 1: I believe in Lamar Jackson, I'm taking him in the
Speaker 1: fifth round and that would have been too like like
Speaker 1: that would have been fine if you, like you got
Speaker 1: lucky that no one took him before you in round twelve.
Speaker 1: But fantasy people were saying, you know, don't don't take
Speaker 1: him too early, anyone that just had a belief in him,
Speaker 1: And they were right. You couldn't taking him to early.
Speaker 1: You won you your league? Yeah, I know you you
Speaker 1: comes the year before. That's fine, but you know what happened.
Speaker 1: You You could walk into in and out Burger and
Speaker 1: say I will give you twenty dollars for a double double,
Speaker 1: but you don't have to pay that. It's still three dollars,
Speaker 1: like you can still wait. So yes, there is a
Speaker 1: there's a counter balance right there of you know, counter
Speaker 1: getting the guy that you want, but not overspending, although
Speaker 1: I and I run into that too. In home leagues
Speaker 1: with like two of my friends, the Apollo Brothers, they
Speaker 1: watch every episode of Fantasy Live. They read every piece
Speaker 1: of content I ever put out if I ever want,
Speaker 1: Like last year, that very situation worked out because in
Speaker 1: most leagues, I was getting Lamar Jackson in round ten,
Speaker 1: eleven or twelve. They drafted him or one of them
Speaker 1: marked it drafted him in the fifth round last year.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I'm like, what happened. He's like, I've
Speaker 1: been watching your show, bro, and like this is the
Speaker 1: worst thing. Uh. And I didn't win because I tried
Speaker 1: doing I remember when we were at Road or NBC
Speaker 1: Sport to that come there was an office pool and
Speaker 1: everyone's just using your rankings. It's very complicated. It's very
Speaker 1: complicated to draft against. That gives us one more problem.
Speaker 1: Time is my time almost stopped. Time's nearly up, So
Speaker 1: give us one more. You know what, I kind of
Speaker 1: want a piggyback on. What Greg is saying though, is
Speaker 1: that don't be afraid to play scared you know or
Speaker 1: don't place. Don't be the guy who's too scared to
Speaker 1: make a move, and I you don't. I did get
Speaker 1: fortunate that somebody didn't jump ahead of me and take
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. And what we're seeing this year is Clyde
Speaker 1: Edwards Hilaire is going as the fifth overall pick in
Speaker 1: some drafts. And what I see these kids come onto
Speaker 1: my Instagram post and they're like, I go to see
Speaker 1: him play first, Like, guess what, You're not going to
Speaker 1: get that opportunity. That's not happening in this world. You
Speaker 1: can't be afraid if you want to pick and be safe.
Speaker 1: And you you know who Todd Gurley is and you've
Speaker 1: seen him play, and you've seen Leonard for Nette, and
Speaker 1: you know what, enjoy fifth place because playing it safe
Speaker 1: will get you nowhere. Listen. I understand that there will
Speaker 1: be times that I finished in first place and there
Speaker 1: are times where I finished dead last. But I'm not
Speaker 1: afraid to take my guys. So that's that is one
Speaker 1: of my real So don't be don't be the guy
Speaker 1: who's playing scared because scared money don't make money like
Speaker 1: that bugle? Is it a bugle? Trumpet? Who knows means
Speaker 1: more royalties entered the room and it is Adam Rank's
Speaker 1: colleague and friend, Marcus Graham. What's up, friends, after I'm
Speaker 1: excited to be here. That that was. I'm glad that
Speaker 1: was a welcoming sound. I was a little bit alarm.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what was happening at first. That's what
Speaker 1: we're going for. I make a royal proclamation now, I hitty.
Speaker 1: I agree that Tyrod Taylor is getting my unofficial Hard
Speaker 1: Knocks Fantasy bump, just mostly because because that this quarantine style.
Speaker 1: I think it's primarily the reason Well nailed at Marcus
Speaker 1: that he looks like Donald Glover from This is America video. Rank,
Speaker 1: thank you so much again. You're not a curtain jerker.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be You're gonna be in the Saturday night
Speaker 1: main event headliner. Rank. I can feel it. Enjoying Marcus Grant.
Speaker 1: Everybody have a good one. Alright, Alright, Adam Rank, we
Speaker 1: sent him up and now the stage is yours. Marcus.
Speaker 1: You know Tyrod Taylor is one of those guys happening
Speaker 1: again on the latest Hard Knocks every year. You just
Speaker 1: get sucked in because and it happened when he was
Speaker 1: on the Brown's Hard Knocks with Baker Mayfield behind him
Speaker 1: on the depth chart his leadership. You're sucked into it.
Speaker 1: What everything the coaches are saying, and you think you
Speaker 1: start to thank to yourself, Wow, this guy is the
Speaker 1: greatest person, the greatest quarterback of all time. And then
Speaker 1: he's on another team the next year. But still he'll
Speaker 1: be playing in this league a long time in our league,
Speaker 1: because he's like a glue guy in a in a locker,
Speaker 1: in a quarterback room, even if he's not necessarily your starter,
Speaker 1: that that'll play. You're right. And it's funny because I
Speaker 1: have sort of, over the course of this fantasy draft season,
Speaker 1: sort of talked him up in my own head. Uh,
Speaker 1: No one was, No one was considering Tyrod Taylor early
Speaker 1: in draft season. Then I start seeing the side by
Speaker 1: side statistical comparisons of him and Josh Allen, and the
Speaker 1: numbers when they were both Bills quarterbacks were fairly similar.
Speaker 1: And I keep saying to myself, well, great runner, how
Speaker 1: is it that that Tyrod is not getting any fantasy love,
Speaker 1: but we all love Josh Allen as an industry. As
Speaker 1: this kind of mid round guy who's ready to be
Speaker 1: a top ten fantasy quarterback. It didn't make any sense
Speaker 1: to me. Now, I haven't been bold enough to actually
Speaker 1: put my money where my mouth is and draft Tyrod
Speaker 1: in any leagues, but I have told myself a story
Speaker 1: where he is going to be potentially a time thinking,
Speaker 1: isn't he going to get Mayfield the way he didn't October?
Speaker 1: That is sort of the thought process there that justin
Speaker 1: Herbert is just waiting for one slip up to come
Speaker 1: to come and jump in and take that gig. I
Speaker 1: think that's what's held people back. But you know, Lookay,
Speaker 1: with no no preseason games and they limited offseason, ty
Speaker 1: Rock can hold onto this job for at least the
Speaker 1: first half of the season. You want to be like
Speaker 1: a last round QB two guy, which I used to
Speaker 1: like to do quick just wait till the last round,
Speaker 1: and he feels like a guy for that sort of slot.
Speaker 1: He's absolutely the guy for that slot. So, Margot, we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about a couple of things. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: to the running backs in a second. But what is
Speaker 1: your philosophy when it comes to the quarterback room. Do
Speaker 1: you you know I play in a two quarterback league,
Speaker 1: which I know is unorthodox, but we love it because
Speaker 1: that puts more importance on the quarterback in fantasy. And
Speaker 1: we talked about it just now with Rank and West's
Speaker 1: was yelling about it on Monday that the quarterback doesn't
Speaker 1: get enough love and fantasy and he's the single most
Speaker 1: important player in football. So when is fantasy gonna figure
Speaker 1: that out? I guess having a two QB league addresses
Speaker 1: that on some front, but let's stick with the one
Speaker 1: QB league, which most people do. Should you wait on
Speaker 1: qbs or do you grab one of those top tier talents? Uh?
Speaker 1: If if they're there for you. I have started to
Speaker 1: kind of shift my philosophy on that because I was,
Speaker 1: you know, sort of like everybody else. Do you wait
Speaker 1: on a quarterback crowd? Um? Yeah, you always find those guys.
Speaker 1: I always had that guy that I would refer to
Speaker 1: as the patron saint of the Church of Wit on
Speaker 1: a quarterback. I mean for years, Uh, it was like
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers, it was Matthew Stafford. I think Tom Brady
Speaker 1: has sort of graduated into that category. This year down
Speaker 1: there in Tampa. But last year I really got to
Speaker 1: a point where I said, look, if you were going
Speaker 1: to draft a quarterback early, go get yourself a good one. Now.
Speaker 1: At the time when I said that, I was thinking
Speaker 1: about Patrick Mahomes. I'm not gonna sit here and pretend
Speaker 1: that I I predicted Lamar Jackson running for twelve hundred
Speaker 1: yards and lighten the world on fire. Um. But I
Speaker 1: really did feel like, and I agree with West completely.
Speaker 1: I don't understand why it is if we all agree
Speaker 1: that Mahomes is awesome, that Lamar Jackson is awesome, why
Speaker 1: it's considered a tactical disadvantage to go out and draft
Speaker 1: those guys. So I started to come around. I can't
Speaker 1: say that I've reached early enough to get a Mahomes
Speaker 1: or Jackson in a lot of leagues, but I feel
Speaker 1: a lot more comfortable and sort of those you know,
Speaker 1: I guess early middle rounds, if you will, round five,
Speaker 1: round six, whether it's Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson, is a
Speaker 1: name that I like a whole lot. Um. I do
Speaker 1: feel some guilt into talking up Kyler. I think Kylar
Speaker 1: murd is gonna be great. I think we have talked
Speaker 1: him up past what potentially his draft value could be.
Speaker 1: But I think he's another reasonable option to take if
Speaker 1: you're looking in around five, six or seven to go
Speaker 1: get a quarterback. I wonder, I wonder if someone one
Speaker 1: thing on quarterbacks. I wonder if Aaron Rodgers has graduated
Speaker 1: into that second tier now in fantasy dress, if it's
Speaker 1: finally people where this, yeah, it's happens. I think for
Speaker 1: years we sort of left him in that top tier,
Speaker 1: and I think it was sort of muscle memory. We're
Speaker 1: just used to talking about Aaron Rodgers so long there.
Speaker 1: But I think what we've seen, especially last year, even
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, is that he is starting
Speaker 1: to kind of fall off that pedestal. And I think, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I think the fantasy community and just drafters
Speaker 1: as a whole have sort of caught up to that,
Speaker 1: and so he's not getting just reflexively picked in the
Speaker 1: first five rounds like he used to. I would I
Speaker 1: would ask you this about running backs because it's not
Speaker 1: a question about bus but when you look at certain
Speaker 1: UH teams the way they're assembled, I think of Buffalo's backfield,
Speaker 1: you've got Zack Moss, who's you know, gaining steam by
Speaker 1: the week from reporters and camp. You've got Devin Singletary there,
Speaker 1: the Pats backfield, the Ravens. Like, do you have teams
Speaker 1: that you know, when you're looking at who you're gonna
Speaker 1: draft and what target running backs you're gonna target early,
Speaker 1: You're just I'm not touching this team because uh, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just it's too cloudy and we're drafting three days
Speaker 1: from now. Or do you just say, I like the
Speaker 1: idea of this guy, I'm gonna go for it no
Speaker 1: matter what. It's Zack Moss, it's filling the blank. Jonathan Taylor. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: there are there are back fields that I have just
Speaker 1: generally sort of avoided. The Rams is the one that
Speaker 1: is top of mind for me. Um Whatever Sean McVeigh
Speaker 1: has asked about his running backs, I mean he will
Speaker 1: mention literally everyone. I mean he'll talk about Cam Akers,
Speaker 1: He'll talk about Malcolm Brown and Darryl Henderson. I really
Speaker 1: feel like he might have brought up Zack Stacey and
Speaker 1: Gaston Green at some point over the stac has been
Speaker 1: in the game a long time, so like I feel
Speaker 1: like I just I can't get on respect. I'm done here,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take off the headset and walk away. Now.
Speaker 1: I just I've been able to stay away from that
Speaker 1: backfield because I just haven't really been able to get
Speaker 1: on board with it. They're one I feel like in
Speaker 1: the past, uh that applied to the forty Niners and
Speaker 1: just a Kyle Shanahan backfield. Although I feel like we've
Speaker 1: gotten a little bit more clarity over the years. Um,
Speaker 1: I will say with you went in Baltimore, I still
Speaker 1: went in on mark Ingram. I think the J. K.
Speaker 1: Dobbins time starts sort of next year and beyond, but
Speaker 1: I still think mark Ingram has a role. I look
Speaker 1: at Buffalo as sort of a mess because I like
Speaker 1: Devin Singletary's talent, but it just doesn't seem like the
Speaker 1: Bills are that into him. They keep putting obstacles in
Speaker 1: front of him. First it was Frank Gore, who is
Speaker 1: going to live forever? Uh you know, Now it's Zack
Speaker 1: Moss who's going to get those goal line carries? So
Speaker 1: there are you are right, There are backfields you look at,
Speaker 1: and it's just it's so cloudy for me that I
Speaker 1: attended to just be hands off. It's something. There is
Speaker 1: a point I think where that you become so prevalent
Speaker 1: that if you gotta take on a player, go for it,
Speaker 1: like you don't have to, you can make a cho
Speaker 1: I love cam Akers. I could be wrong, Um, I
Speaker 1: could be wrong in terms of the usage for sure,
Speaker 1: but I just think he's a great player and and
Speaker 1: eventually guys like that will end up having value. And
Speaker 1: if if you're a player, you might not agree with
Speaker 1: that one, but you might have a backfield, like if
Speaker 1: you might have a guy in New England that you like,
Speaker 1: whether it's James White or Damon Harris, or you might
Speaker 1: have a guy. And I don't think like people should
Speaker 1: be afraid just because you don't know who's gonna get
Speaker 1: it week one, by week four or five, everything's gonna
Speaker 1: be scrambled so much anyways that sometimes like there's a
Speaker 1: little bit of a week one bias in these drafts
Speaker 1: where everyone is thinking about week one, week two. Well.
Speaker 1: I think the upshot there though, is is because we
Speaker 1: get so much talk about, you know, uncertainty in backfields
Speaker 1: and no real clear number one. I think what ends
Speaker 1: up happening is that everybody stays away and then the
Speaker 1: adp falls for these guys and I always say that
Speaker 1: everybody is a good pick in the right spot, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you if if Kim a Ers or
Speaker 1: Darrell Henderson falls enough, sure I'm willing to take that
Speaker 1: shot and see what happens with it. But if you're
Speaker 1: asking me if I want to take a chance I
Speaker 1: can makers in the sixth round, I'll tell you that
Speaker 1: I don't feel confident enough for in that space. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going after for Henderson, say in round nine
Speaker 1: or ten. Um. You know, so if if we if
Speaker 1: we create enough confusion, if we're blowing up smoke, maybe
Speaker 1: it does kind of help everybody else because that ADP
Speaker 1: starts to come down. Marcus, we have, according to our
Speaker 1: own NFL Fantasy A DP rankings, we have one, two, three, four,
Speaker 1: or five six players at the running back position going
Speaker 1: in the top ten of drafts right now, McCaffrey, say,
Speaker 1: Quan Zeke, Alvin Kamara, Derrick Henry Dalvin Cook. Of those stars,
Speaker 1: which is the one that you are maybe the most
Speaker 1: nervous about, and conversely the one that you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: lock and loaded, I have no worries that this guy
Speaker 1: is gonna disappoint me. Well, I'll start with the positive. First.
Speaker 1: I mean the guy that I am look see him
Speaker 1: c is on a completely different level right now because
Speaker 1: he's the closest thing to a one man offense we've
Speaker 1: seen in a while in the NFL. But the the
Speaker 1: other stud that I am all in on is Alvin Kamara.
Speaker 1: Um I think right now, I think you had him
Speaker 1: is one fifth. I think on that list, I have
Speaker 1: been taking him with the third pick and a lot
Speaker 1: of drafts. I mean it's it's generally been on most drafts.
Speaker 1: C MC one say Quantu and I am right there
Speaker 1: to grab Camara at number three. I mean yeah, uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I had Yeah. I like Zeke. I think I think
Speaker 1: he's fantastic, but I do see that offense kind of
Speaker 1: becoming more Dack centered. Uh And plus Tony Paula is
Speaker 1: gonna sneak in there, I think, and get some work.
Speaker 1: Camara is a guy who want just lock him in
Speaker 1: for eighty one catches, right, I mean that that is
Speaker 1: the that's the number every year for him. So far
Speaker 1: this year he still gave you pretty decent numbers despite
Speaker 1: not being healthy. I think you know he'll see his
Speaker 1: touchdown numbers come back up again. So I am not
Speaker 1: worried about him at all. The guy that I am
Speaker 1: a little bit worried about it's probably Derek Entering, just
Speaker 1: because what he did last year was was outstanding. It
Speaker 1: was great that they decided to lean on him and
Speaker 1: give him those opportunities. But he doesn't catch the football,
Speaker 1: which is something we really want, especially out of a
Speaker 1: guy you're drafting in the first round of your your
Speaker 1: fantasy leagues. Um, he's just not going to get those
Speaker 1: targets in that backfield. The other part of it is, uh,
Speaker 1: you look at his rushing totals. First of all, he
Speaker 1: had a two hundred yard game in Week seventeen, which
Speaker 1: helped absolutely no one because pretty much all fantasy leagues
Speaker 1: are over. So that's that's something to take into account
Speaker 1: when you look at him this year. The other part
Speaker 1: of it is the touchdown numbers were really high, which
Speaker 1: is great. It also seems like it's something that's gonna
Speaker 1: be very hard to duplicate, especially if the Titans really
Speaker 1: are all in on Ryan Tannehill and trying to give him,
Speaker 1: you know, more responsibility in that offense. I think Henry
Speaker 1: is gonna be a top ten running back when it's
Speaker 1: all said and done. I would prefer to draft him
Speaker 1: more early second round in late first round. You might
Speaker 1: have an argument from from the big Fish coming up
Speaker 1: a little later. I know he's a big fan of
Speaker 1: the big Dogs, so we might have to bring that up.
Speaker 1: You you had, you're talking running backs, and those top
Speaker 1: guys are all, you know, pretty bulletproof. But I I
Speaker 1: do have an issue looking at the ADP this year
Speaker 1: that my biggest takeaway looking at it for the first time,
Speaker 1: like this week, was all these trashy running backs going
Speaker 1: in the second, third, and fourth round, and I don't
Speaker 1: I just don't get it. We're gonna talk receivers later
Speaker 1: with Liz Losis, so we'll leave that to the side.
Speaker 1: But I just don't get taking kind of bad players
Speaker 1: just because they're running backs in the second or third
Speaker 1: or fourth round. And I'll give you names. Gurley is
Speaker 1: like the most obvious one that I'm sure everyone's mentioned. Um,
Speaker 1: but Kenyan Drake. I love Kenyan Drake like as a player,
Speaker 1: but that seems a little a little wild considering his history.
Speaker 1: David Johnson, David Montgomery. Now his injury will kind of
Speaker 1: knock them down a little bit. Like four NET. It's
Speaker 1: just like I know, I know that average draft position
Speaker 1: tells you, and some of the the analysts tell you,
Speaker 1: but it's like, why take pretty mediocre players when there
Speaker 1: are like great players still available that scored just as
Speaker 1: many or more points at the receiver position. Well, I
Speaker 1: think you have quite a bit of wish casting going
Speaker 1: on with some of these guys. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: in the wise words of rust cold time as a
Speaker 1: flat circle, right, we started this thing where running backs
Speaker 1: were going to be coming off the board fast and
Speaker 1: furious in the early rounds. Then as PPR became more
Speaker 1: of a thing, we sort of pivoted to wide receivers.
Speaker 1: Now we're back to running backs because a lot of
Speaker 1: them catch passes and that certainly inflates their value. But
Speaker 1: we've also sort of started to reach for guys that
Speaker 1: we think could have workhorse roles. And I think, you know,
Speaker 1: we have told ourselves a story with some of these
Speaker 1: guys that maybe isn't exactly true. I mean, I I
Speaker 1: will admit to being a guy who was big on
Speaker 1: Jenian Drake just seeing how the Cardinals used him in
Speaker 1: the back half of last season. And I haven't quite
Speaker 1: bought into this idea of Chase Edmunds eating into that
Speaker 1: workload the way Cliff Kingsbury suggested. Look, Cliff Kingsbury certainly
Speaker 1: knows better than I, but you know who am I.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell Cliff Kingsbury. I think you're right. That's
Speaker 1: the one guy of that list that I would say
Speaker 1: I has a chance to be awesome. It's like the
Speaker 1: other guys have kind of shown who they are. Believe him, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. I mean I think with Girly, you know,
Speaker 1: I think early on in this offseason I sort of
Speaker 1: thought Girly maybe had an opportunity because I felt like
Speaker 1: the Falcons would use him more as a pass catcher,
Speaker 1: which is something the Rams just sort of abandoned last year.
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, hearing that when you talk about
Speaker 1: yards per route run, which is one of those advanced
Speaker 1: metrics that we like to look at, uh talk Gurley
Speaker 1: was dead last among all running backs last year, that
Speaker 1: that's no boy, no, uh. And I think that's something
Speaker 1: to take into account when you figure they also have,
Speaker 1: you know, Julio Jones and Calvin Ridley, and they add
Speaker 1: Hayden Hurst. They've got other guys to throw the football too.
Speaker 1: So girlies one for net is one that I've sort
Speaker 1: of stayed away from because how can I like a
Speaker 1: running back that doesn't seem to be liked by his
Speaker 1: own team? So yeah, I I Greg, I totally get
Speaker 1: where you're coming from. But I do think because we
Speaker 1: have gone running back crazy in the early round, we
Speaker 1: have to kind of reach for some fringe guys and
Speaker 1: try to, you know, tell us a story to make
Speaker 1: ourselves feel better about where we're taking them. I had
Speaker 1: a quick one for you before we go here. Trades,
Speaker 1: all right, whether it's for running backs in season or whatever,
Speaker 1: how do you not be the dude that you always
Speaker 1: see these like these tweet will be out there on
Speaker 1: someone just getting absolutely fleeced in a trade and it's
Speaker 1: embarrassing their friends abandoned them, Their children are embarrassed having
Speaker 1: their parents. How do you not get fleeced in trades?
Speaker 1: If you're a new player, what's your fear? Culton and
Speaker 1: Luke just being like you traded traded away? Hopkins father?
Speaker 1: How do you just not be you know, become a
Speaker 1: total du fist? So how do you make sound transactions? Well?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the first thing I think that
Speaker 1: I tell everybody is is this about fantasy football or
Speaker 1: like just life advice. Right now? How am I getting there?
Speaker 1: I was like, my first piece of advice to everybody
Speaker 1: is don't worry about who wins the trade, right, Like,
Speaker 1: I get a lot of tweets where people, you know,
Speaker 1: show me the deal and they're like, well, who wins
Speaker 1: this deal? And my answer to them is like, don't
Speaker 1: worry about winning the deal. Worry about improving your team.
Speaker 1: That should be the first thing you look at when
Speaker 1: you make a trade. If you feel like you have
Speaker 1: filled a position of need, if you feel like you've
Speaker 1: gotten stronger in a certain spot, then you know, the
Speaker 1: hell with what everybody else is gonna say about it,
Speaker 1: Just feel like you got better now. At the same time, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it does sort of make sense to look
Speaker 1: at production, your past production, and what the potential outcome
Speaker 1: can be for that player, um, because you know, obviously
Speaker 1: you don't want to give up a Derrick Henry type
Speaker 1: and you know in return, get you know, the third
Speaker 1: wide receiver, you know, get a get Dante Pettis. Right,
Speaker 1: if you don't want to, you don't want to make
Speaker 1: that sort of deal. It usually does two for ones.
Speaker 1: The two for ones when you're getting the one you
Speaker 1: want to be the one, right The only that is
Speaker 1: that there. There are plenty of times you make a
Speaker 1: trade and at the moment it sort of looks one side,
Speaker 1: but then something happened. Either a guy loses his gig,
Speaker 1: he unfortunately gets hurt, he just underperforms, and then by
Speaker 1: the time it all shakes out at the end of
Speaker 1: the year, that trade ends up looking a little bit
Speaker 1: more even than you thought. So I guess that's just
Speaker 1: a way of saying, just ignore the knee jerk haters
Speaker 1: on Twitter because they're always going to be there. Your
Speaker 1: children will respect you by the end of this. Look
Speaker 1: at the stats. Finally, uh, Marcus in the running back category,
Speaker 1: who's telling the truth about Lebian Bell's hamstring? Levyan Bell
Speaker 1: or Adam Gates. I will say that one h Adam Gates,
Speaker 1: I know, doesn't have the best track record amongst us
Speaker 1: fantasy types, that we don't necessarily trust his word. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, Levian has a tendency to exaggerate
Speaker 1: over social media, So uh, this is one and that
Speaker 1: I think I am I am you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have the the Bill hater popcorn meme. I'm just sitting
Speaker 1: back in sort of watching the whole thing go down,
Speaker 1: and I am not quite inside in this. What do
Speaker 1: you think about Bell? Because a couple of years ago
Speaker 1: he's the best fantasy running back on the planet. Last
Speaker 1: year was a mess, but we've had reports before Wednesday's
Speaker 1: developments that he's the best shape of his life and
Speaker 1: he's got a lot to prove and the offensive line
Speaker 1: is better. Is he a guys stay away guy for
Speaker 1: you or a guy you thinking up? I know you
Speaker 1: probably don't want to hear this is a Jets fan,
Speaker 1: I want them to. I want them to trade Left Bell.
Speaker 1: I want him back into our fantasy lives because look,
Speaker 1: I looked at the the guys that I know, the
Speaker 1: Adam Gates expats from last season, right, whether it was
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill, Kenyan Drake, DeVante Parker, all these guys who
Speaker 1: got out from underneath him and then had some of
Speaker 1: the best years of their life. I think Left still
Speaker 1: has something in the tank. I want him back in
Speaker 1: my fantasy life. So if if they can find a
Speaker 1: way to look as a USCLU, I want the same
Speaker 1: for Sam Donald. I just want good things for these guys,
Speaker 1: and I just don't think it's gonna happen under Adam Gates.
Speaker 1: Yeah maybe maybe maybe next year, maybe next decade, who knows.
Speaker 1: All right, Marcus Grant, you've said it all. Well, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for joining us. And again, um, long
Speaker 1: have you been at NFL Network? Mars, This this is
Speaker 1: season number at you just like Mark and Dan. There
Speaker 1: you go. Grant Grant knows his stuff. You can check
Speaker 1: them out an NFL network and was writing on NFL
Speaker 1: dot Com, following on Twitter. Thank you, buddy and best
Speaker 1: of luck this season. Stay healthy, guys, be good. You
Speaker 1: know what that sound means. It's another regal guest on
Speaker 1: the Fantasy Extravaganza and she is one of our favorites.
Speaker 1: She knows her stuff. She works for Yahoo Fantasy. But
Speaker 1: right now she's going to speak to us. Liz Loza,
Speaker 1: what's up, Liz? Oh, Hello, I've never felt so regal
Speaker 1: wearing elastic waistband pants for six months. This is fantastic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this is We've decided that it's kind of
Speaker 1: all royalty here, uh for this Fantasy Extravaganza this year.
Speaker 1: And Liz is you know, covering fantasy from every angle
Speaker 1: at Yahoo and you could follow her at Liz Losa
Speaker 1: underscore ff and for this part of the conversation, Liz,
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, how are you doing everything? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's great, best You're ever right, and I know I'm
Speaker 1: very honored. Let me just say to be here because well,
Speaker 1: I am no big fish. My only hope is to
Speaker 1: be like a prognosticating mermaid of some sort. We can
Speaker 1: use that coming up a little bit later on the show.
Speaker 1: But just being on this show means you're a big fish.
Speaker 1: We were looking for, you know, any way we can
Speaker 1: help widen the divide between you and your Yahoo colleague
Speaker 1: Matt Harmon. So choosing you to come on to represent
Speaker 1: Yahoo that was really well. Plugging his name certainly helps
Speaker 1: my cause. I suppose I know he'll appreciate that. You
Speaker 1: said the prognosticating mermaid. Sure yes, spell casting yeah or not?
Speaker 1: I guess maybe could work. It has fins. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get into it. List. So we want to talk
Speaker 1: a little wide receiver with LOWSA. Liz could uh speak
Speaker 1: on any topic, but we're gonna d drill in now
Speaker 1: on wide receivers on draft day and making sense of
Speaker 1: the positional group. Um, So when you look at the
Speaker 1: well let's start here. When you look at the overall group,
Speaker 1: I think everyone kind of decided, and with good reason.
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas is the guy. He's the number one guy,
Speaker 1: But I feel like he gets a little murky after that.
Speaker 1: So in terms of the top ten before we dive
Speaker 1: in deeper, how do you see that shaking out? If
Speaker 1: you're somebody that's looking at target a wide receiver and
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas isn't an option, well, I don't really think
Speaker 1: it much matters for fantasy, frankly. After after Michael Thomas,
Speaker 1: you've got Davante Adams, who I think you know could
Speaker 1: have been the wide receiver one last year were it
Speaker 1: not for some bad luck in the end zone, frankly,
Speaker 1: and I do expect his touchdowns to rebound quite a
Speaker 1: bit in But honestly, this position is so deep, and
Speaker 1: if we're talking draft strategy in comparis, and running back
Speaker 1: is so stinking shallow that I am willing to forego
Speaker 1: elite talent at the top in favor of hammering the
Speaker 1: running back position. So the top ten guys Thomas, Davante Adams,
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, DeAndre Hopkins, Still, Julio Jones, Chris Godwin, I
Speaker 1: like a lot. I haven't ranked as my wide receiver
Speaker 1: six mostly because of his versatility. I like him well
Speaker 1: ahead of Mike Evans in fact, because while Mike Evans
Speaker 1: is absolutely a deep threat, that has negatively affected his
Speaker 1: efficiency even with the upgrade and quarterback from Winston to Brady.
Speaker 1: But you're basically on Evans to me, counting on touchdowns
Speaker 1: right because of that giant wings fan and red zone potential.
Speaker 1: But Godwin can do all the things. And when Gronk
Speaker 1: is in the picture, I have to imagine, especially week one,
Speaker 1: they have got the Patriots, I'm sorry the Bucks to
Speaker 1: have the Saints. The Saints have that really amazing pass rush.
Speaker 1: To me, that's a lot of Brady checking down to
Speaker 1: his favorite, most reliable options. So I think Grount could
Speaker 1: be a very big um hero in September, early season hero.
Speaker 1: I imagine him catching a couple, maybe even two spikes
Speaker 1: week one as Brady is feeling that new sort of pressure.
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure, at least on the top of things,
Speaker 1: and obviously in fantasy you want to win out of
Speaker 1: the gate early Evans is going to be as reliable
Speaker 1: or really r o I on his top You know what,
Speaker 1: does he. I think he's second round draft potential, so
Speaker 1: those top ten guys up until Chris Godwin. I like
Speaker 1: him if you have the ability to swerve and you
Speaker 1: can find, but still had much rather hammer the running
Speaker 1: back position and then wait until maybe even as late
Speaker 1: as round five to start loading up on wide receiver
Speaker 1: feels like so long though, I like it feels like
Speaker 1: like a I was gonna say, like, I like a
Speaker 1: higher if you want to take a running back in
Speaker 1: the first four rounds, like three of those first four rounds,
Speaker 1: and if you're not going to settle on one of
Speaker 1: the elite tight ends like Kiddle or Kelsey, so like,
Speaker 1: if you're drafting under the third or the fourth spot,
Speaker 1: I really like taking Kiddle or Kelsey for the advantage
Speaker 1: in the second round, back of the second round. But
Speaker 1: if you're drafting at the back of the first round,
Speaker 1: I would prefer maybe waiting on and if you wanted
Speaker 1: a high floor receiver, getting someone like Alan Robinson right
Speaker 1: like he's going to see a hundred thirty plus looks
Speaker 1: again this year. I like the volume. We know his
Speaker 1: amazing talent. I also I'm not so worried about Keenan Allen.
Speaker 1: I feel like his ADP has slid tremendously because people
Speaker 1: are over adjusting for the change in quarterback. But Alan
Speaker 1: is a talent, and talent breaks all the ties. He's
Speaker 1: an incredible route runner. Mike Williams has this shoulder issue.
Speaker 1: I think Keenan Allen in the fourth round is a
Speaker 1: really great wide receiver. One as a stable wide receiver,
Speaker 1: and then you can start again loading up on the
Speaker 1: position with more higher upside guys like Calvin Ridley and
Speaker 1: all these. DJ Chark is wildly undervalue. You can w
Speaker 1: with some respect on DJ's name. Like everyone's talking about
Speaker 1: ter Lauren. It's the same argument, put a little respect
Speaker 1: on his name. I'm with you on like the depth there.
Speaker 1: And I was always into you know when I when
Speaker 1: I did fantasy that it's like you draft players, you
Speaker 1: don't draft positions, and uh, it feels like especially this
Speaker 1: year where everyone's drafting running backs early. I don't know,
Speaker 1: the players just seem better at ride receiver, Like maybe
Speaker 1: you take one running back in the first round and
Speaker 1: then after that. I just have a feeling like the value,
Speaker 1: especially in those middle rounds. I looked at those guys
Speaker 1: you mentioned, a couple of them feeling would be one
Speaker 1: Adam Feeling, oh B J Keenan, Allen Lockett, Alan Robinson,
Speaker 1: Sutton Cup like a J. Brown. Those guys are all
Speaker 1: gonna show up. They're all gonna show up, They're all
Speaker 1: gonna produce. It's a passing leg if you're playing PPR,
Speaker 1: It's like they're all gonna put up points every single week.
Speaker 1: Whereas most of these running backs are good in the
Speaker 1: first round and then they're bad. Draft good players don't
Speaker 1: draft bad players. I mean the one who I'm just
Speaker 1: saying receivers are so deep, I think we're pretty close
Speaker 1: to the same here that basically there's so much value
Speaker 1: in all those guys from three, four or five six,
Speaker 1: you know, in all those rounds that it just would
Speaker 1: be like hard to pass them up when you're looking
Speaker 1: at these like kind of trash running backs, like who
Speaker 1: would you rather have in real life? That's going to
Speaker 1: come through every week? And that that part of it
Speaker 1: really dry up after round four. I mean, are you
Speaker 1: gonna are you gonna stake your fantasy claim on like J. K.
Speaker 1: Dobbins because you hear he's blowing up in camp when
Speaker 1: mark Ingram is like all of a sudden j. K. Dobbins,
Speaker 1: who's incredible arky, But I liked him coming out of
Speaker 1: the draft or coming into the draft rather ahead of
Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift. I love his skill set. Also a great
Speaker 1: past productor which no one talks about. But do we
Speaker 1: really think that Ravens are gonna shy away from mark
Speaker 1: ingram something that works so well last year just because
Speaker 1: the rookie looks good right away. Yeah, you gotta hit
Speaker 1: out some running back. You gotta hit him some running
Speaker 1: backs late. But I like kind of the idea of
Speaker 1: taking guys that you know are gonna be be good.
Speaker 1: And I also like the idea of zigging, where all
Speaker 1: the fantasy heads or zagging, you know, so if it's
Speaker 1: a year then everybody's taking running backs early, then you
Speaker 1: do the opposite. Doing the opposite is always a good
Speaker 1: draft strategy. I feel like I want to ask you
Speaker 1: this is because you know, this is a weird year
Speaker 1: and you know, strange offseason, and there may be casual
Speaker 1: players that are saying I don't have time for fantasy
Speaker 1: this year, or it's it's not the top thing on
Speaker 1: my list. But let's say you dive in. You follow
Speaker 1: all this draft advice everyone's always concerned about the draft.
Speaker 1: There's all this hype about it, and then obviously, like
Speaker 1: six year players you know, fade away with knee injuries
Speaker 1: and shoulders falling off their off their bodies, and then
Speaker 1: you gotta then you gotta deal with the regular sayson
Speaker 1: roster management? How what? How? What is your advice? Because
Speaker 1: there's all this draft advice, But when you're in week three,
Speaker 1: your team has fallen apart, how do you how much
Speaker 1: time do you need to spend? How would you approach
Speaker 1: that you got kids at home? Things are crazy like
Speaker 1: and you've got some hyper falling off people's bodies that
Speaker 1: you've got some you got you got some super nerd
Speaker 1: in your league who's up at three twenty two, like,
Speaker 1: you know, taking stuff off the waiver wire? How do
Speaker 1: you do it in a weird fantasy and a weird
Speaker 1: Corona year. Well, listen, if you are a parent, do
Speaker 1: not draft in the league without parents this year because
Speaker 1: they're gonna have an immediate advantage on you. Just just that,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. If you don't have any yes, yes, never
Speaker 1: more have freedom and finance has been more pronounced than
Speaker 1: in parents. But why are your children like bound and
Speaker 1: gag in the in the video behind you. I just
Speaker 1: noticed them in the corner. They're they're very well behaved.
Speaker 1: I would say so. Yes, like this year, especially when
Speaker 1: you're adding into potentially even players landing on the COVID list, right,
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to work the waiver wire. This is
Speaker 1: a fact. There's no I'm not gonna try to, you know,
Speaker 1: sprinkle some pixie dust on this and say like, no, no,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to work more this year. But will
Speaker 1: I What I will say is, don't you want to
Speaker 1: do something? Don't you want to distract yourself from all
Speaker 1: of the maudlin maccabre ish that's going on around you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have become a Denver. I'm not sorry.
Speaker 1: I've become a Utah Jazz fan. All of a sudden.
Speaker 1: I'm watching the Utah Jazz. You know why? Because it
Speaker 1: lets me escape. So if you want to work the
Speaker 1: waiver wire at three o'clock in the morning instead of
Speaker 1: laying awake staring at the ceiling thinking about how the
Speaker 1: world is grumbling, fantasy footballs for you? Yeah? Wait? Why
Speaker 1: the Jazz? You just you? Are you from the area?
Speaker 1: Kid man? That Mitchell kids two? Nice to lift it up?
Speaker 1: And I like the orange uniforms, the whole thing. I
Speaker 1: know you guys have a don thing, but you know, no, no,
Speaker 1: we're we're big in our Our last producer was was Mormon,
Speaker 1: probably a big jazz fan. So it all, it all connects.
Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm not Mormon at all. Why do
Speaker 1: you assume that Sydney was a huge Utah jazz fan
Speaker 1: because because he's from Utah, you know, but there's no
Speaker 1: from Salt Lakes. You know who's from Utah. That's the
Speaker 1: one team you have. You better route for them, Liz.
Speaker 1: Let me, let me throw out some wide receivers that
Speaker 1: are going to give people pause and they're gonna think, oh,
Speaker 1: he could be awesome or he could end up killing me.
Speaker 1: Uh coming off a bad year injury wise and quarterback wise.
Speaker 1: Juju Smith Schuster, I think Big Ben is healthy. I
Speaker 1: did a series of articles called rest versus Rust with
Speaker 1: the help of an orthopedic surgeon at USC. He's also
Speaker 1: the team. It's not a brag, it's a resume, baby
Speaker 1: um And so I think Big Ben is going to
Speaker 1: be healthy. She'll be healthy enough. I'm not worried about
Speaker 1: the elbow. I think Ben have being back unlocked a
Speaker 1: lot of fantasy potential. I'm not worried about ju Also,
Speaker 1: Jujuna is allowed to primarily perform in the slot which
Speaker 1: he has vested doing, especially when you look at you know,
Speaker 1: Deonte Thompson coming on and being able to hold it
Speaker 1: down on the outside. And so I think that gives
Speaker 1: Juju an opportunity to return to doing what he does well.
Speaker 1: I have him ranked inside my top twenty. I think
Speaker 1: he bounces back, all right. How about the Sessler's Golden
Speaker 1: Boy Odell Beckham Jr. Any idea is not my golden
Speaker 1: I want to hear what you have to say here though,
Speaker 1: so oh b J. I did a pro ject fearless
Speaker 1: forecast for him, a projection. It is tough because you
Speaker 1: cannot deny the talent. And yet he was not healthy
Speaker 1: last year. He reports to be healthy this year. You know,
Speaker 1: I do think there is a bounce back there. I
Speaker 1: am going to believe, especially when you look at the
Speaker 1: way he played um dealing with that core surgery, that
Speaker 1: core malady whatever it was, hernia sports hernia. UM. I
Speaker 1: think he is going to be healthier, and if that
Speaker 1: is true, then he will be electric. I also think
Speaker 1: you're probably going to see some of that production come
Speaker 1: down because we know Stefanski loves to run the ball.
Speaker 1: Though as much as people talk about unfriendly run first offense,
Speaker 1: you also like, this is still a passing league, right,
Speaker 1: so that we know that they're still going to be
Speaker 1: points available. So I think he bounced backs, but I
Speaker 1: think when you deal with ob J, you're dealing with variants.
Speaker 1: But that is baked into his current what like where
Speaker 1: where is he going mid like late fourth round? He
Speaker 1: seems to me he would be on my list if
Speaker 1: I don't you know, rank had the list of the
Speaker 1: guys that he absolutely loves league when and O b
Speaker 1: J would be near the top. Sometimes I think fantasy
Speaker 1: don't get too complicated. You buy low, sell high. And
Speaker 1: this is like an unbelievable player who only one needs
Speaker 1: to do what he did in his terror, you know,
Speaker 1: in his supposedly terrible year last year to live up
Speaker 1: to that draft building. Anyways, like he if you got
Speaker 1: a thousand yards and what he got in the draft
Speaker 1: him that you'd be fine with that. And there's a
Speaker 1: pretty solid chance that he just you know, rips the
Speaker 1: league apart, because we've you've seen it happen before I
Speaker 1: would say real had they had no TIT production last year.
Speaker 1: I think Austin Hooper is going to have a huge
Speaker 1: year there. He has been their best player in camp,
Speaker 1: and I think that's gonna pull away from Landry and
Speaker 1: O b J. How about the trio of rookies Jerry Judy,
Speaker 1: Henry Rugg ceedee, lamb. You can only take one, they're
Speaker 1: all there for I'm taking Brian Edwards, so it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Give me Michael Pittman and all those guys too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Brian Edwards, nobody's talking enough about him over Jerry Judy,
Speaker 1: both those guys. Yeah, how many? I mean, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that Elway is trying to write all of
Speaker 1: the previous wrongs with giving Drew lock zero excuses this
Speaker 1: year in a million pass catchers, But like, what can
Speaker 1: we really predict his good volume? Like we know Courtland
Speaker 1: Sutton as good as what as good as what he does,
Speaker 1: but he's not particularly flashy. Noah fantais in the picture
Speaker 1: got Cage. There's just so much going on there that
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that we're gonna see enough volume from
Speaker 1: him as precise and as much of a technician as
Speaker 1: he may be. I just don't think for fantasy purposes,
Speaker 1: not real life football purposes, he's going to be impactful,
Speaker 1: ceedee lamb amazing. But again, you know you've got Blake
Speaker 1: Darwin truth. There's chatting up his target volume. So there's
Speaker 1: like questions, questions there too. Henry Ruggs obviously, like if
Speaker 1: we're looking at the Raiders, Ruggs is obviously meant to
Speaker 1: be the superstar of that receiving corps, right, But Brian
Speaker 1: Edwards is the Brandon LaFell esque workman who can do
Speaker 1: the dirty work and let the dude on the other
Speaker 1: side of the field shine. That to me is the
Speaker 1: guy reports I can't by the way he's heading up over.
Speaker 1: He's beaten Tyrolle Williams Williams and now has another malady,
Speaker 1: another injury that he's gonna try to play through. That
Speaker 1: doesn't sound great. Derek Carr talking about how he is
Speaker 1: already gaining trusted Edwards Gruten talking about fast tracking rookies. Like,
Speaker 1: to me, Brian Edwards is going to be the real
Speaker 1: fantasy story. Not the flash that's from the mermaid, that's
Speaker 1: from the prognosticating mermaid herself. She had got no feet,
Speaker 1: but she's got takes and the seats and all the
Speaker 1: other good stuff. All right, Liz, thank you for joining us.
Speaker 1: You're a marvel. You're great at your job. You're a
Speaker 1: working mother, which I have endless respect for during this
Speaker 1: time a pandemic. Thank you for everything. Before Liz gets
Speaker 1: out of here, you gotta tell the story of how
Speaker 1: we met. Oh sure, so all right, I mean it's
Speaker 1: it's all very foggy, I have to admit. So about
Speaker 1: we were flying home from the super Bowl from Miami
Speaker 1: the day after the super Bowl. Everybody is like, haggard,
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, I barely am clothed, like just
Speaker 1: dragging my body into the row. And I sit down
Speaker 1: and I recognize this woman and my producer, Jackie Pepper,
Speaker 1: is sitting on the aisle seat like super free to
Speaker 1: playes and so she needs the aisle and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to had two kids. I need to peel
Speaker 1: all the time. But fine, So I sit down in
Speaker 1: the middle Jackie Jackie, She's I'm sitting actual and I'm like,
Speaker 1: this woman is so familiar. She's so familiar to me.
Speaker 1: And then it clicks and I'm like, are you ricky Hollywood,
Speaker 1: and she's like yeah and UM, and so we start
Speaker 1: chatting and I talk about, you know, I'm friends with West,
Speaker 1: and how Mark Sessler had been on a podcast back
Speaker 1: when I had my own indie podcast, the Exes and
Speaker 1: Wise Podcast, And then I do think at one point
Speaker 1: Jackie just keeps talking and Ricky is like talking, and
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm going to pass out, and I
Speaker 1: just say, you guys, I'm I'm done, Like I need
Speaker 1: to close my eyes and I don't want to I
Speaker 1: don't want to talk anymore. And I slumped over and
Speaker 1: slept front the rest of the Yet. Yeah, all three
Speaker 1: of us tough, tough shape. That that flight back. If
Speaker 1: you want to see NFL reporters, media people at their
Speaker 1: very worst, look look how they are on Monday morning
Speaker 1: after the Super Bowl. That's that's always a takeaway, all right, list,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us, and again, follow
Speaker 1: Liz all season long for fantasy advice and life advice
Speaker 1: because she can give it out and she does it well.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Liz, Thank you, thank you, Thanks Liz. We
Speaker 1: got more royalty. He is the man that helped build
Speaker 1: roadal World brick by brick with Rosenthal and West and
Speaker 1: then he went out out in his own with Levitan,
Speaker 1: establishing Established the Run, which is now one of the
Speaker 1: great fantasy sites out there. He is the big fish,
Speaker 1: Evan Silva, Welcome back to the podcast. This is like
Speaker 1: our fifth year in a row that we're doing. This
Speaker 1: isn't we're getting old. I feel myself getting older, and
Speaker 1: you're not as big anymore. It feels like you're you're trim,
Speaker 1: you're looking in shape. I know you're not happy that
Speaker 1: Matthew Berry is coming on after you though, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get some water. He was gonna be I thought he
Speaker 1: was gonna be opening for me. I knew, I knew
Speaker 1: that would be an issue. That's on Erica you can
Speaker 1: discuss with her. Thanks. Thanks, all right, So Silva, you
Speaker 1: are you know, obviously you're turn your body into a
Speaker 1: shrine according to the video chat, but that does not
Speaker 1: stopped you from doing the work on the fantasy side
Speaker 1: of life and so much great stuff. Unestablished a Run
Speaker 1: could not recommend it enough. I'm a subscriber, so I
Speaker 1: know you initially hooked us up a little bit, but
Speaker 1: I have since subscribed and I'm paying you for your content.
Speaker 1: I just want you to know I appreciate it smartly. Alright,
Speaker 1: So you have a couple of pieces um out you
Speaker 1: have the your sleepers, an undervalued calm, you have um
Speaker 1: bus out there. Um, let's start with the sleepers and undervalued, though,
Speaker 1: I mean we could go in so many directions. You
Speaker 1: have guys that you absolutely love, but I do love
Speaker 1: where you start in your column at Will Fuller because
Speaker 1: I thought you were maybe Evan I don't want to
Speaker 1: get you angry, but maybe overvaluing him. It's that always pretty, um,
Speaker 1: Will Fuller. Yes, the ceiling is high there with DeAndre
Speaker 1: Hopkins gun and his natural ability which is vast, but
Speaker 1: the guy has always hurt and I don't know if
Speaker 1: you put enough into that, which is his injury issues
Speaker 1: which are kind of a big deal. It put plenty
Speaker 1: into it, and so does the entire community. Because so
Speaker 1: I think I'm a big believer that in the rounds
Speaker 1: one through let's say four, that you should really be
Speaker 1: incorporating downside of the player into your draft evaluation of
Speaker 1: the player, and you should be thinking about um, you know,
Speaker 1: risk reward once you start to get into rounds five, six, seven,
Speaker 1: and will Fuller's ADP is in the six and seventh round.
Speaker 1: Right now, I think you really start just hammering upside
Speaker 1: and you concern yourself less with injury floor. Last year,
Speaker 1: Allen Robinson, I thought was it was in a very
Speaker 1: similar situation. He was the number one by a cross
Speaker 1: fantasy formats that established the run, whether it be redrafted
Speaker 1: wrong league, whether it be dynasty leagues, be coming off
Speaker 1: a little bit of an injury laden UH first season
Speaker 1: with Chicago. The year before in Jacksonville, he didn't even
Speaker 1: play at all. He played like what two snaps and
Speaker 1: then towards a c L people were worried about his
Speaker 1: quarterback situation. We crushed on that. Will Fuller has replaced
Speaker 1: Allen Robinson as a number one by across formats. UM.
Speaker 1: I understand the injury risk, but that is baked into
Speaker 1: his average draft position. We're pulling DeAndre Hopkins out of
Speaker 1: the Texans offense. He averaged ten targets per game that
Speaker 1: freeze up ten targets per game in an explosive passing
Speaker 1: offense quarterback by Deshaun Watson. And one thing that I
Speaker 1: like to bet on UH in fantasy and have had
Speaker 1: a lot of success betting on over the years is
Speaker 1: quarter established quarterback to pass catcher connections. Look at the
Speaker 1: rest of the Texans pass catcher corps. Shaun Watson really
Speaker 1: doesn't check down to r v's. They don't have a
Speaker 1: target commander at tight end. Randall Cobb is knew what
Speaker 1: we've got like ten padded practices. Randall Cobb is new,
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks is new. Kenny still has missed the start
Speaker 1: of camp, and you know he was up and he's
Speaker 1: gonna be the fourth receiver. I think will Fuller is
Speaker 1: the only returning player who has a legitimate established report
Speaker 1: with the Shawn Watson and therefore this year he's the
Speaker 1: guy that I think we should all be betting on.
Speaker 1: Plus those other guys have injury risk too, which can
Speaker 1: open up the targets. I'm totally with that whole theory.
Speaker 1: It's a great thing for fantasy people to think about,
Speaker 1: because I do think in the middle eight rounds it's
Speaker 1: almost like injuries are a little overrated. Injuries don't kill
Speaker 1: you in fantasy. If you got eleven good games out
Speaker 1: of Will Fuller, that wouldn't kill you, either like you
Speaker 1: can survive or placing him during some weeks. Obviously you
Speaker 1: want it to be nice timed up for the fantasy
Speaker 1: playoffs or whatever. But people in the NFL, injuries kill you.
Speaker 1: In fantasy, you can you can live without three games
Speaker 1: of will Fuller if he winds up being as good
Speaker 1: as Evan Silva's as he is. It's not as if
Speaker 1: will Fuller, like if he's gonna miss a few games,
Speaker 1: you're gonna take zeros in those weeks, You're gonna be
Speaker 1: starting another player. You know. That's why we have, you know,
Speaker 1: benches in fantasy football. I think that a lot of
Speaker 1: people think that fantasy football is a race to try
Speaker 1: to compile as many sixteen game players as possible or
Speaker 1: avoid risk as much as possible. It's really a game
Speaker 1: where you want to have guys who have spike week
Speaker 1: potentials to make up for guys that have duds in
Speaker 1: certain weeks so that you know you can be winning
Speaker 1: as many weeks as possible. We're trying to win weeks
Speaker 1: in fantasy football. I got a little two part question
Speaker 1: for you. Um. First of all, I mean I look
Speaker 1: at the Dallas wide receiver crew, and I know you
Speaker 1: mentioned Michael Gallup in your article two, how do you
Speaker 1: kind of stack that and value that group? Uh? And
Speaker 1: And secondly, let's just say, and I'm I'm back in
Speaker 1: the scene here. I'm playing Fantasy this year for the
Speaker 1: first time of you know, almost a decade or so. Um, well,
Speaker 1: you're playing to wait. I literally asked you twenty minutes
Speaker 1: before that you were playing Fantasy. And you're like, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure. She has changed my mind. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm learning a lot on the fly. Heres. But let's
Speaker 1: say there was a two team league where it was
Speaker 1: Evan Silva verse me, how does that go? And so
Speaker 1: we got the Dallas question. I want to know what
Speaker 1: happens one on one huge showdown Silva Sessler Fantasy World.
Speaker 1: Let's let's focus on the first part of the question.
Speaker 1: Go ahead. I have never played in the two team league,
Speaker 1: and I can't even I mean, this is such a
Speaker 1: classic Sessler question because I feel like there is some
Speaker 1: intelligence behind it, but I just don't understand one thing
Speaker 1: at all. Let's cut that. That's that's a nice job.
Speaker 1: This is an ongoing theme of any time Silva and
Speaker 1: Cessler have an interaction. Even almost has no idea at
Speaker 1: any time, but Marcus talking about it's real. But I mean,
Speaker 1: if you want to talk about Michael Gallup, um let's
Speaker 1: talk about Michael Ballott. Okay, at Michael Pallop. I don't
Speaker 1: think people understand he was number six in the NFL
Speaker 1: and receiving yards per game last year. He missed two games.
Speaker 1: If you just plug in his two playoff games from
Speaker 1: the year prior and we just look at his last
Speaker 1: sixteen games period, he has seventy four catches for twelve
Speaker 1: forty four yards and seven touchdowns. That would have made
Speaker 1: him twenty nineteens number overall, number seven overall wide receiver
Speaker 1: in PPR leagues. Um, he is being drafted as the
Speaker 1: wide receiver thirty one in high stakes ADP. High Stakes
Speaker 1: ADP is supposed to be sharp. We have him as
Speaker 1: the wide receiver. I just like betting on the Dallas
Speaker 1: offense in general this year. I love the continuity that
Speaker 1: they had the returning four or five offensive line starters.
Speaker 1: I like the approach that Mike McCarthy has taken and
Speaker 1: just sort of leaving the offense to Kellen Moore. They
Speaker 1: played faster under Kellen Moore. They threw the ball more
Speaker 1: aggressively under Kellen Moore. They have a really soft schedule.
Speaker 1: This year reminds me of that year. Was it two
Speaker 1: thousand and seventeen when they went with thirteen and three
Speaker 1: or twelve and four or whatever, and they you know,
Speaker 1: they exploded on offense. That was with Doc as a rookie.
Speaker 1: Now Doc is in what his his fourth year, And
Speaker 1: I mean I think that this offense is they're gonna
Speaker 1: score a ton of touchdowns this year. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: Mary Cooper is undervalued in Michael Gallup is undervalued. Um
Speaker 1: and I think they're gonna be really they're pulling out
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb and Jason Witten upping Blake Jarwin's usage. They're
Speaker 1: inserting uh ceedee lamb for Randall Cobb. I just they're
Speaker 1: gonna score a lot of tis. Like well, by the way, Sylvan,
Speaker 1: maybe you don't realize it, but you just did answer
Speaker 1: the first part of Selzler's question. He was just trying
Speaker 1: to figure out how do you shake out and make
Speaker 1: sense of the targets. That's in doubt. I thought we
Speaker 1: worked in We worked in concert there together very well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was Silver would write the floor with you. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's is that what you're looking for? I don't know,
Speaker 1: asking what you think would happen. I was asking what, Evan,
Speaker 1: I know you would pick Evan and most most thinking
Speaker 1: people would um. But you know, I mean, do you
Speaker 1: want like an independent to take on this? I feel
Speaker 1: like it would be a coin flip, a two team league.
Speaker 1: Both teams would be so absurdly stacked that it really
Speaker 1: doesn't matter the level of the players. I don't know,
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm crazy. I I root for a team that's
Speaker 1: terrible and depressing down like injury luck. You know, yes,
Speaker 1: as it always does so on your sleepers list. As
Speaker 1: bad as the Jets look on paper right now and
Speaker 1: as bad as they looked in their scrimmage today, um
Speaker 1: over in Floren Park, you have three players to you
Speaker 1: that that stand out. Chris Herndon the tight end. A
Speaker 1: lot of people are talking about Herndon as a guy
Speaker 1: that bounces back strong after a lost twenty nineteen, but
Speaker 1: also Jamison Crowder is someone that jumps out to you
Speaker 1: as well as well as Richard Perriman, who came over
Speaker 1: from Tampa. Your thoughts on the Jets who are a
Speaker 1: depressed value? I assume in this world it's admittedly concerning
Speaker 1: to have three of the undervalued slash sleepers. Uh, you
Speaker 1: know they're They're only fifteen of them. So that's taken
Speaker 1: up with like of the list here on Jets, and
Speaker 1: that is scary, especially considering the history of skill position
Speaker 1: players being suffocated under Adam gaze and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden exploding when they go to new opportunity. Careless
Speaker 1: by you. It's careless by yourself the ultimate. Um. But
Speaker 1: I think that these players are being undervalued because they
Speaker 1: are part of the Jets. I think the Jets are
Speaker 1: going to be playing from behind frequently this year. They
Speaker 1: just lost their best two defenders. They trade to Jamal Adams,
Speaker 1: they lost C. J. Moseley to an opt out. I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna struggle on defense a lot more than
Speaker 1: they did last year. The player, the personnel just isn't
Speaker 1: gonna be as good. Um. Chris Herndon had an all
Speaker 1: time rookie year, especially for what a fifth round tight end.
Speaker 1: He had over five hundred yards, which I mean over
Speaker 1: the previous decade the uh, he had the tenth most
Speaker 1: yards of any rookie tight end. I mean, he he
Speaker 1: can play. His problem last year was he had the
Speaker 1: suspension and then he was injured. He's my favorite late
Speaker 1: round tight end this year, Um, I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: get a chance of like a hundred two hundred ten targets. Again,
Speaker 1: going back to the established report between quarterbacks and pass catchers,
Speaker 1: Jamison Crowder has you know, ah, you know locked in,
Speaker 1: I mean Hunter and twenty two targets last year dominated
Speaker 1: the targets from Sam Donald. Look at what they did
Speaker 1: on the outside. They changed out there. Both of their
Speaker 1: perimeter receivers, Denzel Mims can't get on the field. Brashant
Speaker 1: Perryman is now hurt. Brashide Perryman is also on the list.
Speaker 1: The list was made before he got hurt. But like
Speaker 1: I think Brascod Perriman is good. I think he's always
Speaker 1: been good. If you go back and look at the
Speaker 1: history of brashete Perryman, he has had horrible luck. Like
Speaker 1: his dad got sick. You know, Brett Perryman and excellent
Speaker 1: receiver in the NFL for a long time with the Allions.
Speaker 1: His dad got sick and that really he fell into
Speaker 1: a depression. Um he struggled with like shin splints early
Speaker 1: in his career with the Ravens and a PCL injury
Speaker 1: that he just is a is a brutal injury for
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. Harline was a lot to overcome. He
Speaker 1: was he was he was struggling with that, and then
Speaker 1: he got a shot in Cleveland and he got some
Speaker 1: opportunities and you really really flashed over. And one of
Speaker 1: the big things he got knocked for early in his
Speaker 1: career was dropped passes. Over the past two seasons with
Speaker 1: the Browns and the Bucks, he's got ninety four targets
Speaker 1: one drawing. And then if you look at what he
Speaker 1: did over the final five games of last year with
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay when he got an abundance of opportunity because
Speaker 1: Chris Godwin and Mike Evans were both at banged up
Speaker 1: at the end of the season, he had eighty seven
Speaker 1: plus yards and or touchdown and each of the five
Speaker 1: games to finish last year. I think Brashod Perriman can
Speaker 1: play um. But this this knee swelling again he had
Speaker 1: the PCL injury a couple of years ago, is a
Speaker 1: little bit scary. So I would be a little bit
Speaker 1: less bullish on him after knowing of that. Do you
Speaker 1: do you have an earnest Wilford this year? You know,
Speaker 1: just the guy that Silva's banging the drum force so
Speaker 1: much that like the other people had established the run
Speaker 1: are almost talking about or maybe I don't know if
Speaker 1: that this is Levitan's world. Does Leverton ever step in
Speaker 1: and like, are you sure you wanna drought? You know,
Speaker 1: putting Wilford in the top twenty, because you're representing not
Speaker 1: just yourself but our our money, Like our money is
Speaker 1: tied together. You are business partners. This is the establish
Speaker 1: you know, right right and because you know we we
Speaker 1: used to get into it. Sometimes Wilford stand out to me,
Speaker 1: you know, Wilford above Marvin Harrison, like in the middle
Speaker 1: of Harrison. There were a lot of times I had
Speaker 1: to sign off intanmester because I was gonna say something bad,
Speaker 1: you know. And so is there a player this year
Speaker 1: that you guys, um, that you guys are clashing on?
Speaker 1: It is probably Rob Gronkowski. First of all, Adam Levitan
Speaker 1: is a major agist, and he lowered the ball, lowered
Speaker 1: the bar on who is old so far he's starting
Speaker 1: to creep into like the late twenties. That means you're
Speaker 1: old now. In his defense, one in May like really
Speaker 1: just turned thirty one, Um, but I mean he looked
Speaker 1: Everyone would admit that. In two thousand and eighteen, Rob
Speaker 1: Gronkowski looked like a big Transformer robot who you know,
Speaker 1: couldn't move at all pre workout Silva, pre pre boxing,
Speaker 1: right right. So I mean, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski, I think it's gonna come down just a lot,
Speaker 1: uh two touchdowns. I think he can score a lot
Speaker 1: of touchdowns. That's not always the best way to project
Speaker 1: and approach fantasy, but he's sort of in this tier
Speaker 1: with guys like Jared Cook and Austin Hooper, and I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna score more touchdowns than those guys. So um,
Speaker 1: that's kind of why he's being considered there. All right,
Speaker 1: let's let's swing negative. Now, let's get into some bus
Speaker 1: who who Who are some of the guys that are
Speaker 1: really on Silva's list of guys? Keep them away from
Speaker 1: my team because I got a bad vibe. Well, a
Speaker 1: lot of people aren't gonna like to hear this, And
Speaker 1: I know that Rosenthal isn't gonna like to hear this
Speaker 1: because I know that he loves Josh Jacobs. But Josh
Speaker 1: Jacob's situation is worriedome, and like I I think that
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs, like maybe already is a top five straight
Speaker 1: ball carrier rusher in the NFL, like in terms of
Speaker 1: a rushing talent. But in his first year he averaged
Speaker 1: two point one targets per game. That's not enough yet
Speaker 1: twenty catches in thirteen games. He only ran seven more
Speaker 1: pass routes than Jalen Richard, who the Raiders went and
Speaker 1: then resigned. And that was like one of the first
Speaker 1: moves of the off season. Hey, we got a lot
Speaker 1: of money. Two year, seven million. That's a decent amount
Speaker 1: of money for a running back in this day and age.
Speaker 1: They drafted Lynn Bowden, who played primarily wide receiver. He
Speaker 1: played some wildcat quarterback at Kentucky's, sort of like a
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb player, but there they announced him as a
Speaker 1: running back on draft day. And then Mayock after the
Speaker 1: draft was like, we're playing this dude at running back, um,
Speaker 1: and he's a pass catcher. And then they went and
Speaker 1: signed DeVante Booker and Theoretic and those guys might not
Speaker 1: even make the team. But it's like indications that they're
Speaker 1: not going to give Josh Jacobs more receiving work. And
Speaker 1: I'm really worried about the Raiders playing from behind a
Speaker 1: lot this year. I think they're not a good team.
Speaker 1: I know they weren't happen in nine. They won a
Speaker 1: bunch of close games. Last year, they really fell off
Speaker 1: at the end. They were bottom five in point differential.
Speaker 1: They have a bottom five strength of schedule ac quarring
Speaker 1: according to Warren Sharp's uh you know, Vegas win totals
Speaker 1: based s os and I mean you I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: read off their schedule after a week one. So in
Speaker 1: Week one they faced the Panthers, and I mean, we're
Speaker 1: gonna be playing Josh Jacobs in DFS because we're not
Speaker 1: going to get the play him for very long after that.
Speaker 1: Week two facing the Saints, maybe the most talented team
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Week three at New England, good luck.
Speaker 1: Week four against the Bills. I think the Bills like
Speaker 1: might win eleven twelve games this year. Week five against
Speaker 1: the Chief's, good luck. Week six against the buck In
Speaker 1: the years, they have a nine and a half game
Speaker 1: win total. They have a lot of talent. They're gonna
Speaker 1: be well coached. Good luck at the Browns. I think
Speaker 1: the Browns are gonna be improved. At the Chargers. Charges
Speaker 1: are gonna have a really good defense, really talented on defense.
Speaker 1: Um then against the Broncos, Broncos are gonna have a
Speaker 1: good defense, and then against the Chiefs again, they're gonna
Speaker 1: from behind a lot, and it might be jaylem Ard
Speaker 1: and or DeVante Booker and or theoretic out there quite
Speaker 1: a bit. Um And how you hated the Raiders. I
Speaker 1: think that's even survived this new regime change. You just
Speaker 1: killing the Raiders on Twitter? How much I've been right
Speaker 1: about the Raiders? Do you mean how much I've been
Speaker 1: right about the Raiders? That's fair? But Raiders has paid
Speaker 1: off for a long time. Their offensive good, Their offense overachieved.
Speaker 1: The offense was I'm sure better than you projected last
Speaker 1: year by a good deal, right, I mean, there was
Speaker 1: a pretty good offense. Their offensive line was better than
Speaker 1: I expected. It came together well. I mean that was
Speaker 1: the first offense, good offensive line that Tom Cable has
Speaker 1: coached in like three decades. Nailing nailing Raiders failures kept
Speaker 1: the lights on that Silver mannor for years, Kevan, I
Speaker 1: got one for you, like, So, I know quarterbacks are
Speaker 1: totally devalued in this process at this point, but is
Speaker 1: there a quarterback out there that everyone is sort of
Speaker 1: hot on? And you're just thinking, has anyone ever watched football.
Speaker 1: No on this guy. Well, um, I would say that
Speaker 1: it's probably Aaron Rodgers, and I wouldn't say that it's
Speaker 1: that people are super hot on him. But he still
Speaker 1: goes well above where he should in drafts because of
Speaker 1: big name value. Um, the Packers just have not set
Speaker 1: him up to succeed. They're not. I mean, let's just
Speaker 1: look at their draft. They drafted his replacement, the traded
Speaker 1: up for his replacement in the first round. In the
Speaker 1: second round, they drafted a big bulldozing running back. In
Speaker 1: the third round, they drafted you know, Kyle the guy
Speaker 1: that they are hoping becomes Kyle us check. Their number
Speaker 1: two receivers Alan Lazard, who I do think he could
Speaker 1: overachieve in fantasy, and Davante Adams is obviously a stud.
Speaker 1: But I mean they're they're throwing darts at Robert Tonyan
Speaker 1: and Jay Sternberger at tight end, and you know they
Speaker 1: want to be a run first team and he's just
Speaker 1: not built up. He's not built for fantasy success. The
Speaker 1: Packers may be good again, but he is not built
Speaker 1: to be a productive fantasy quarterback this year. I know
Speaker 1: Silva doesn't really like respect my fantasy acumen. Anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that hurts. Here we go, he started, Actually he's We've
Speaker 1: gone back and forth on Twitter a little. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: past my prime, stand stand my lane. As if football
Speaker 1: and fantasy football are so different, who could somehow figure
Speaker 1: out the difference. Um. But but I'm trying to get bit.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm feeling I'm feeling weak here and I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get back on his good side. So I hit
Speaker 1: him up the other day because we we do agree
Speaker 1: on a player. Um that people seem to love that
Speaker 1: that that I don't, and they're gonna love him even
Speaker 1: more Tariko. And after this David Montgomery injury on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: So I'm guessing even with Montgomery's sort of sidelines here,
Speaker 1: Silva is not jumping on the tariko and bandwagon. Man,
Speaker 1: I don't know this. When this happened, I was like,
Speaker 1: this is gonna let the the Tariko and truthers off
Speaker 1: the hook. You know, it's gonna bail him out. I
Speaker 1: have to move them up. I'm gonna have to move
Speaker 1: them up. Actually, probably still less than than within other
Speaker 1: people who have him. I mean, if you look at
Speaker 1: right now his backfield competition, it's Ryan Noll who being
Speaker 1: a big time preseason DFS player. R I P and
Speaker 1: Peace preseason DFS um like you sort of have to
Speaker 1: love it day and I know because there's money to
Speaker 1: be made in the preseason. That's kind of sneaky. Best
Speaker 1: Ryan Reason a preciation game. But you have to talk yourself.
Speaker 1: And because if you watch him play, he's like, uh,
Speaker 1: he's like the biggest plotter you've ever seen. You know.
Speaker 1: That's the other that's the next time. It's confusing him
Speaker 1: and Craignaw. Do you remember Craignaw is already relating? Of course, man,
Speaker 1: of course. I mean, don't you think the Tarik Cohen
Speaker 1: thing would happen by now? If it was gonna happen
Speaker 1: a few years? I'm with you, Yes, one more before
Speaker 1: we say goodbye, Evan all of a sudden it starts,
Speaker 1: you know, getting ten carries and seven targets a game
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't matter if he's not very good. You know,
Speaker 1: he's he's gonna be one more bust before we say goodbye.
Speaker 1: One more bust. Okay, DeAndre Hopkins, I like it. He
Speaker 1: goes for big fishes. Interesting since thiss Adp right now
Speaker 1: is a top five wide receiver, we haven't been wide
Speaker 1: receiver fifteen and I think that, first of all, you
Speaker 1: have a like if you look back at the history
Speaker 1: of wide receivers that change teams during the offsee usually
Speaker 1: takes usually takes like a year for them to really
Speaker 1: grow into the offense. The perfect example last year was
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham. Um DeAndre Hopkins has and a big reason
Speaker 1: for that is because the quarterback and the receiver have
Speaker 1: to get on the same page. Right. Has there ever
Speaker 1: been a worse off season for a quarterback and a
Speaker 1: receiver to get on the same page than this one. No.
Speaker 1: Over the past five seasons, DeAndre Hopkins average a hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty six targets per game, a hundred and sixty six.
Speaker 1: His primary competition for targets during those years was Will Fuller,
Speaker 1: who we like but we also know was very often
Speaker 1: injured in a complimentary role player. Now he's going to Arizona,
Speaker 1: where he's got to deal with Larry Fitzgerald, Christian kirk
Speaker 1: Kenyan Drake was on pace for six catches in his
Speaker 1: eight games with the Cardinals last year. And if you
Speaker 1: go back and look at the philosophy of Cliff Kingsbury,
Speaker 1: of Mike Leach, of this air rate attack, and I,
Speaker 1: you know, I try to post there's this video of
Speaker 1: Mike Leach talking about this, and I try to post
Speaker 1: it every year talking about what what What to Mike
Speaker 1: Leach is balance on offense. He says, um, A lot
Speaker 1: of coaches will say it's fifty run pass and he says,
Speaker 1: that's fift bullshit. It's equal distribution of the ball to
Speaker 1: your playmakers. Of course, guys that are more talented are
Speaker 1: gonna get the ball a little bit more than you know,
Speaker 1: the fifth most the fifth most talented playmaker on the offense.
Speaker 1: But it's you know, just distribution. It's not, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to establish the run um. It is trying to
Speaker 1: distribute the ball to the playmakers to make your offense
Speaker 1: truly balanced. And I think that we're not going to
Speaker 1: see a hundred and sixty six target year out of
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. I think it's gonna be more in the
Speaker 1: range of one thirty and he's already missing time with
Speaker 1: a hamstring injury at Cardinals camp. Swing your Sword, Baby,
Speaker 1: great book, Mike Leach. I agree with Silva too much.
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't like it. I'm totally
Speaker 1: on board with that one. Well he he is the
Speaker 1: big fish. We reeled them in for another year. And
Speaker 1: you know what, it's so good of you to come
Speaker 1: on and help us out in this territory. No, West,
Speaker 1: it would have been nice to hear you mix it
Speaker 1: up with West a little bit. But uh, you know, Rosenthal,
Speaker 1: I was hoping you guys would start really taking verbal
Speaker 1: swings at each other. Didn't happen as much this year,
Speaker 1: but maybe next year. It's something to look forward to.
Speaker 1: Thanks so so much, uh guys for having me. And
Speaker 1: you know, Westling, if you're listening to this, man, I
Speaker 1: think about you every day. And thanks again guys for
Speaker 1: having me on Silvus. It was like the really nasty
Speaker 1: stuff for texts, just like at one in the morning,
Speaker 1: be like you remember what you said back in two
Speaker 1: thousand and ten. All right, we've come to our final
Speaker 1: guest of the Around the NFL podcast extravaganza in the
Speaker 1: Fantasy Realm and it is one of the greats the
Speaker 1: industry has ever seen. Matthew Berry of ESPN, thank you
Speaker 1: for joining us on the show. My pleasure, guys, thanks
Speaker 1: for having me. I don't think I I don't think
Speaker 1: I've ever done something with you, Barry, even though we
Speaker 1: crossed pass and we've kept in touch over the years.
Speaker 1: At Rhoda World for about two weeks, it was very
Speaker 1: It wasn't very long. You're you're embroiled in a in
Speaker 1: a feud with upper management ownership. But it's way back
Speaker 1: in two thousand and three when they're just weren't many
Speaker 1: like full time jobs or people trying to make them
Speaker 1: into jobs in fantasy. Yeah, I was embroiled into a
Speaker 1: into a dispute with them because because they had uh.
Speaker 1: I had worked for them for free for a long time,
Speaker 1: and eventually I'd worked my way up to making fifty
Speaker 1: bucks a column and I was writing two columns a week,
Speaker 1: and I was making as a week, I was making
Speaker 1: a hundred dollars a week, or you know, or I
Speaker 1: guess four hundred dollars a month. And they came to
Speaker 1: me and they said, after four and a half years, Uh,
Speaker 1: they said, you know, hey, uh, we're having some issues financially.
Speaker 1: This is before NBC bought them. We're having some issues financially.
Speaker 1: We'd like to uh cut your pay to a hundred
Speaker 1: dollars a month. And and then I said, wait what
Speaker 1: And they go, oh, well, listen, no, no, no, you're
Speaker 1: like our highest red writer, Like you're the everyone else
Speaker 1: is getting zero. We're actually you know, they thought there
Speaker 1: was a big thing that they were they were still
Speaker 1: gonna pay me a hundred bucks a month, and I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I was just like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: So after four and a half years of writing for
Speaker 1: you guys, you want to cut my pay by three
Speaker 1: hundred percent? And they go and they go, well, when
Speaker 1: you say it that way, it sounds bad. I'm like,
Speaker 1: because it is. They were definitely like there was definitely
Speaker 1: a point maybe like a Christmas later when they were
Speaker 1: playing when they were paying people with credit cards to
Speaker 1: try to get through the year, and you had kind
Speaker 1: of taken off that. I think there was kind of
Speaker 1: we we might have might have blown that one with Barry.
Speaker 1: Maybe that was a bad This is the clip we're
Speaker 1: gonna use for social By the way, just like hot
Speaker 1: in about an hour, Your Loving Hate column is obviously
Speaker 1: one of the one of the most popular and most
Speaker 1: read fantasy columns out there, and I thought it was
Speaker 1: something interesting that you said that Silva said earlier actually
Speaker 1: that you see a big advantage in this year with
Speaker 1: no preseason and just fourteen padded practice. You love the
Speaker 1: proven guys who are returning to a familiar set up
Speaker 1: with uh familiar system, coaching personnel in the strange year
Speaker 1: of Corona. That seems especially important when you're putting together
Speaker 1: a team, does it? It does to me. Look, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be so much that's unknown and untested and we've
Speaker 1: never seen before in this upcoming season. So let's try
Speaker 1: to at least narrow down and get rid of the
Speaker 1: variables that we can. And so you know, look, it
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you're gonna go crazy here, but for me,
Speaker 1: for example, like I DeAndre Hopkins at five. Deandrew Hopkins
Speaker 1: one of my favorite players in the NFL and obviously
Speaker 1: one of the best in the in the entire league.
Speaker 1: But when you have to nitpick at that elite level,
Speaker 1: give me Michael Thomas with Sean Payton Andrew Brees, right,
Speaker 1: give me Davante Adams with Matt Lafleur and Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: Give me Julio with Matt Ryan, you know, and and
Speaker 1: Dirk catter give me. Give me Tyreek Hill with Pat
Speaker 1: Mahomes and Andy Reid. Give me those guys ahead of Hopkins.
Speaker 1: Who's going to obviously a new quarterback in a new system,
Speaker 1: you know, and isn't gonna have the time to develop
Speaker 1: the chemistry with Kyler Murray that the four guys I
Speaker 1: just mentioned already have and have had for years. I
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting where you put Miles Sanders um
Speaker 1: in the not love but the hate category. I'd love
Speaker 1: to hear about that. I'm also, um, still still kind
Speaker 1: of awestruck by the fact that you were in Avengers.
Speaker 1: But we'll deal with that another time. You can start
Speaker 1: with Miles Sanders here. I appreciate that, Um, although I'd
Speaker 1: be more than happy to talk about Avengers Endgame because
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, you're never sick of talking
Speaker 1: about that. All right. Uh well, because here's the thing, guys,
Speaker 1: I'll just say this really quickly because it's important for
Speaker 1: me to say and just get this messogd out as
Speaker 1: much of they can. I've been in only one movie
Speaker 1: in my life, Avengers Endgame. I've only been in one movie.
Speaker 1: I'm one movie. I'm a one movie. I'm in a scene, right,
Speaker 1: I have four lines. I'm a cast member, I'm in
Speaker 1: the credits, I'm in IMDb with it. I'm I'm a
Speaker 1: legit cast member of Avengers, and you got residual check
Speaker 1: coming in individual check. It was very generous. Better than yeah, may,
Speaker 1: it's better than World, better than Rhodor World, even at
Speaker 1: the high cotton days of Rhoda World. Um and uh,
Speaker 1: the point is is that Avengers that so I've been
Speaker 1: in one movie. I'm a one movie actor, and that movie,
Speaker 1: Avengers Endgame, is the highest grossing movie worldwide all time,
Speaker 1: more money than any movie ever in the history of
Speaker 1: cinema worldwide. And so on a per movie basis, I'm
Speaker 1: the highest grossing actor of all time. I mean, there
Speaker 1: are other actors out there that have more cumulative box
Speaker 1: office on a per movie basis. Like everyone's looking up
Speaker 1: at me. I just it's weird that your phone isn't
Speaker 1: ringing more for a movie too, or maybe you're just selective.
Speaker 1: You're waiting, You're waiting for the next one that could.
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought it was impressive, Matthew that you
Speaker 1: wrote one of the Crocodile Dundee sequels. But this one,
Speaker 1: this back to it just blows that one out of
Speaker 1: the water. My. I just imagine someone who has no
Speaker 1: knowledge of anything and they come on and they read
Speaker 1: my IMDb page, which is I think I have like
Speaker 1: a couple different profiles there, but it's such a mass, like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, this guy wrote Croc three, he was
Speaker 1: in Avengers End Game and he's a fake football guy
Speaker 1: for ESPN, and you know he was also on One
Speaker 1: Life to Live because I did a two day thing
Speaker 1: on One Life to Live as a uh, you know,
Speaker 1: as a synergy kind of thing, and like, right, I
Speaker 1: have just the weirdest, have the weirdest most of credits.
Speaker 1: I have a really weird resume, and I have a
Speaker 1: really I'm you know, probably the most insane IMDb page
Speaker 1: that makes no sense whatever whatsoever. Because I was also
Speaker 1: a Hollywood writer, so I like, I have these writing
Speaker 1: credits of like shows that some people have never heard of.
Speaker 1: And anyway, so yeah, I had a very weird path
Speaker 1: and a truly blessed career. Alright, So Miles Standers, let's
Speaker 1: get to actual football here, Miles Sanders, So I want
Speaker 1: to clarify something here for your listeners that may not
Speaker 1: be aware of what love hate is. I don't hate
Speaker 1: the player, I hate the ADP. So love hate is
Speaker 1: entirely about ESPN ADP. And I'll get in a plug
Speaker 1: to play ESPN dot com Fantasy Pole down app for free.
Speaker 1: Got to do that. But so you're not gonna get
Speaker 1: as many plugs as had him ranked it earlier. So
Speaker 1: it'll be fine. I'm I'm sure I won't. I'm sure
Speaker 1: I won't, Marcus on two, right, So like you're double
Speaker 1: the NFL guys, right, So, and I'm sure I'm sure
Speaker 1: Evan was plugging his side as well, you know, left
Speaker 1: and right, So believe me. But you know, I listen
Speaker 1: if anyone let him a run for his money in
Speaker 1: terms of plugs. But the Great Fantasy Game over at
Speaker 1: ESPN dot com. All right, So Miles Sanders, don't hate
Speaker 1: the player, great player, right or what I What I
Speaker 1: have a problem with this is ADP. I've seen he's
Speaker 1: currently going as running Back nine dot com, and I've
Speaker 1: seen him go as high as running Back seven, And
Speaker 1: you think, and it's all based on two things. Number one,
Speaker 1: it's based on last year. There was a five game
Speaker 1: stretch at which point he was the guy. Weeks weeks
Speaker 1: like whatever eleven is, sixteen, I'm sorry leaks. Weeks twelve
Speaker 1: to sixteen, he was awesome, touches a game hundred seventy
Speaker 1: yards from scrimmage, over twenty one Fantasy points per game,
Speaker 1: and PPR top five Fantasy running back. I get it.
Speaker 1: He was awesome. He was also all they had. Like
Speaker 1: the Eagles back then were so banged up that their
Speaker 1: starting wide receiver was former a A F San Antonio
Speaker 1: Commanders superstar Greg Ward. That's who they were rolling out there.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if he was a superstar for
Speaker 1: them right right, anyway, the fact is is like they
Speaker 1: just they didn't have anyone, right, I mean, so everyone
Speaker 1: like talked about how Miles Sanders was like this amazing
Speaker 1: guy coming out of college, you know, better than Barkley
Speaker 1: at Penn State and blah blah blah blah blah. But
Speaker 1: the fact is is that he couldn't beat out Jordan Howard.
Speaker 1: Before Jordan Howard got um, before Jordan Howard was injured,
Speaker 1: Miles Sanders was getting eleven touches a game. Okay. And
Speaker 1: by the way, Boston Scott from weeks fourteen on was
Speaker 1: the seventh best running back in Fantasy last year. Again
Speaker 1: also a showing that they didn't have anyone, but also
Speaker 1: also because so so you're basing it on on a
Speaker 1: situation that. I don't think it's likely to repeat this year.
Speaker 1: I believe the Eagles will have many more skilled players
Speaker 1: healthy than they did when Myles Stands got all sorts
Speaker 1: of rue and you're basically where he's being drafted. You're
Speaker 1: drafting him an RB seven, you're drafting at the end
Speaker 1: of the first round, top of the second, and you're
Speaker 1: doing that off of five games. Like it's a small
Speaker 1: sample size, right, And so I mean, like my argument is, is, like, well, listen,
Speaker 1: if we're going off of small sample sizes, why is
Speaker 1: it Austin Eckler going higher. Austin Ekeler for the four
Speaker 1: games that Melvin Gordon wasn't there like he will be
Speaker 1: this year. In in in Los Angeles was the second
Speaker 1: best running back in Fantasy. He was only five points
Speaker 1: worse than Christian McCaffrey over the first four games. But
Speaker 1: we're all ignoring Austin Ekeler made a little there buzz
Speaker 1: I like that because of Tyrod Taylor. What like, you're
Speaker 1: telling me that Anthony Lynn, former NFL running back Anthony Lynn,
Speaker 1: it is suddenly gonna go pass happy with Tyrod Taylor.
Speaker 1: You suddenly think Justin Jackson and Joshua Kelly are more
Speaker 1: of a threat to Eckler's playing time than Melvin Gordon
Speaker 1: was last year. By the way, once Melvin Gordon came back,
Speaker 1: from the time Melvin Gordon came back in Week five
Speaker 1: till the end of the year, Austin Ekeler was the
Speaker 1: fifth best running back in Fantasy. We're produced even when
Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon there. Okay, fine, so now you talk about like, well,
Speaker 1: people are like Doug Peterson has never had a guy
Speaker 1: like Miles Sanders. Okay, maybe, okay maybe, but last year everyone,
Speaker 1: that's what everyone was saying about Bruce Arians and O J. Howard.
Speaker 1: O J. Howard's Bruce has doesn't used to tight end. Well, yes,
Speaker 1: but he's never had a tight end like O J. Howard.
Speaker 1: How did that work out? Like, here's the thing. I'm
Speaker 1: just going off of what we've seen so far. I
Speaker 1: hear you. Sanders maybe the most talented running back that
Speaker 1: Doug Peterson has ever had. But Doug Peterson has been
Speaker 1: the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles for sixty four
Speaker 1: regular season games. Nine times, literally nine times in those
Speaker 1: sixty four games has a single running back gotten more
Speaker 1: than twenty touches in a game. They've been winning those
Speaker 1: games too, that that's not a good Peterson is a
Speaker 1: former NFL quarterback, right who came up under Andy Reid. Like,
Speaker 1: what does Doug Peterson want to do? He wants to throw.
Speaker 1: He's gonna throw, like and I get it, Miles Sandon's
Speaker 1: gonna involved the passing game. And I people aren't worried
Speaker 1: about Boston Scott or Corey Clement and they, you know,
Speaker 1: they haven't. They haven't signed anyone, even though they kicked
Speaker 1: the tires on on Devonte Freeman and Lashawn McCoy and
Speaker 1: Carlos Hide, and you know they were rumored to be
Speaker 1: in on. Some of these veterans that went elsewhere in
Speaker 1: the case of Freeman are still on the street. But
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know. For me, it's just really
Speaker 1: risky too draft a guy uh that high that we've
Speaker 1: seen literally five games of elite production from in a
Speaker 1: situation that I don't think is likely to repeat this year,
Speaker 1: which is that every other skill player they have is
Speaker 1: injured except for like Zach Eartz, who is also still
Speaker 1: banged up during that time frame. Let's let's that's my r.
Speaker 1: Miles Sanders is an RB two this year. Not an
Speaker 1: RB one where he's being apted argument. I still have
Speaker 1: at the top twenty guy, I still from the top
Speaker 1: fifteen guy. I still think he's good. He's a running
Speaker 1: for running back four team for me. But the idea
Speaker 1: that he's a top seven running back is is crazy
Speaker 1: to me. Let's let's stay in the running back category
Speaker 1: because I love your David Johnson theory. I love it.
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't think of it that way, and
Speaker 1: now I can't stop thinking about it. Because what Matthews
Speaker 1: saying is that the nature of David Johnson's circumstances of
Speaker 1: how he got to Houston will inform how he's used
Speaker 1: with the Texans. That avalanche of criticism around the DeAndre
Speaker 1: Hopkins trade can lead to a significant production bump in
Speaker 1: You're with the year one with the Texans because in part,
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien, the head coach GM, doesn't want to look bad.
Speaker 1: I mean, Matthew, that to me is something that holds water.
Speaker 1: And you have a past example I'd like you to
Speaker 1: share of how that worked with another team in the
Speaker 1: not so recent past at running back. This is something
Speaker 1: that I think gets overlooked a lot in fantasy football analysis.
Speaker 1: Is that football players are humans. Head coach and general managers,
Speaker 1: everyone around a football team is a human being with emotions,
Speaker 1: with egos, with you know, with the faults like all
Speaker 1: of us right, And the other piece of it is
Speaker 1: is that an NFL team is like many other organizations,
Speaker 1: there are internal politics, okay, and so that is why
Speaker 1: sometimes you're like, why doesn't that guy get the run
Speaker 1: when that veteran like it's you know, sometimes it's just
Speaker 1: like players run rub coaches the wrong way. One of
Speaker 1: the reasons why Frank Gore has lasted as long as
Speaker 1: he has. People love Frank Gore. By all accounts, Frank
Speaker 1: Gore is like the best teammate of all time. Like
Speaker 1: they just love him so anyway, might to answer your question,
Speaker 1: you think about the New York Giants and Sa Kwan Barkley.
Speaker 1: They got so much criticism. Dave Gentleman got so much
Speaker 1: criticism for passing on Sam Donald or Pasco, any sort
Speaker 1: of quarterback and taking se Kwan at two overall they
Speaker 1: needed Sa Kwan to Wark and I remember I had
Speaker 1: to stake one is a top five player overall that year,
Speaker 1: and people were talking like, you're crazy, he's a rookie
Speaker 1: running back that offens me awful. That offensive line is
Speaker 1: one of the worst in the NFL, like they're gonna
Speaker 1: be so down blah blah blah blah. Obviously had a
Speaker 1: monster rookie season fantasy wise, and it's because they were like,
Speaker 1: if nothing else goes right, s Kan is gonna work.
Speaker 1: We're gonna make you want to start. It obviously helps
Speaker 1: that he's insanely talented. He's, you know, one of the
Speaker 1: best running backs in the NFL. But even on a
Speaker 1: bad team, bad quarterback and it's a struggling offensive line,
Speaker 1: they figured out ways to make sa Kwon Barkley a star.
Speaker 1: And so to that point, yes, David Johnson, Like when
Speaker 1: when you think about what the Texans did, the Texans
Speaker 1: had a thousand yard rushian Carlos Hide last year. They
Speaker 1: got production out of Duke Johnson, and they had one
Speaker 1: of the best wide receivers in the in the game
Speaker 1: and DeAndre Hopkins. And they not only traded DeAndre Hopkins
Speaker 1: to Arizona, but they and took for David Johnson, but
Speaker 1: they took on his contract. It's like you can't even
Speaker 1: argue that well as a salary dump, Like we know
Speaker 1: Hopkins wants a new deal and we don't want to
Speaker 1: play him, and so like they took on David Johnson's contract.
Speaker 1: So I yes, Bill O'Brien hurt. Here's all the criticism.
Speaker 1: You trade a guy like DeAndre Hopkins, who is beloved
Speaker 1: in the community, who obviously is a fan favorite. David
Speaker 1: Johnson needs to work. He's not gonna win any efficiency awards,
Speaker 1: but I think he is going to get as much
Speaker 1: volume as any running back in the NFL this year
Speaker 1: because they need to work like they And by the way,
Speaker 1: just for whatever it's worth, this is very loosey goosey math,
Speaker 1: but uh it's illustrative. Duke Johnson and Carlos Hide last year,
Speaker 1: two running backs that I don't think are as good
Speaker 1: as David Johnson combined last year, If you combine their production,
Speaker 1: they would have been that player would have been the
Speaker 1: fifth best player in fist fifth best running back in Fantasy. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying David Johnson's gonna be the fifth best
Speaker 1: running back in fantasy, but I think he gets them.
Speaker 1: I think he gets all the Carlos Hide roll, and
Speaker 1: I think he gets a good chunk of the Duke
Speaker 1: Johnson role. And you gotta be a good player though,
Speaker 1: gotta be a good player. I'm not sure he's good
Speaker 1: at football, and at some point that's gonna show up.
Speaker 1: I love a little Duke Johnson. At the at the
Speaker 1: end of my draft, I do want to bring up
Speaker 1: one last guy because I know you're a Washington football team,
Speaker 1: and that's tough. There are many out there. There aren't
Speaker 1: that many that are kind of like many reasons especially
Speaker 1: yes sir, yes, yes, And I know you probably haven't
Speaker 1: had many that you've got to put on your love. Hey,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine over the years from Washington maybe a
Speaker 1: little early Clinton portist who knows, but Terry McLaurin. I
Speaker 1: think it's kind of getting slept on a little bit
Speaker 1: as um, just a pure talent and what you know
Speaker 1: and what you think he could be like there in
Speaker 1: terms of when you just talked about feeding David Johnson
Speaker 1: the ball, how much are they gonna feed Terry McLaurin
Speaker 1: the ball? Yeah, I mean I think it's time, right.
Speaker 1: I always say this fantasy success is pretty easy to determine.
Speaker 1: I think it's a um, it's talent and opportunity. Right.
Speaker 1: So to your point about David Johnson, I think massive opportunity.
Speaker 1: We can argue about the talent um, but uh, he's
Speaker 1: gonna have a massive opportunity Terry mclauren. I think we
Speaker 1: all agree, both talent and opportunity. I talked to a
Speaker 1: lot of the Washington coaching staff at the combine, and
Speaker 1: you know, they're bringing over the Carolina offense in essence,
Speaker 1: right Scott Turner, who was quarterbacks and then offense coordinator
Speaker 1: for for Carolina. Norv Turner's son, he's the new offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator of Washington, and the conversation was all about that
Speaker 1: they want Terry mclauren to be the d J Moore
Speaker 1: in that offense. Remember Carolina Panthers were sent past attempts
Speaker 1: last year. Now, some of that was their defense which
Speaker 1: was brutal, and they got in these shootouts and they
Speaker 1: got down big. But make no mistake, like Scott Turner,
Speaker 1: son of NORV, is gonna throw like they're gonna throw,
Speaker 1: And so who they throwing too? Were they're throwing to?
Speaker 1: Terry mcscoring from trying to float up the name, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't love this F one. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't love F one. I'm just saying d J Moore
Speaker 1: had a hundred thirty five targets last year right in
Speaker 1: Carolina and had more competition for targets than I think
Speaker 1: mclauren does this year in Washington and so and I
Speaker 1: think the redskin I think I think Washington's team, Washington
Speaker 1: defense will be better than Carolinas was last year. Actually,
Speaker 1: don't think they'll be terrible. I think they'll be kind
Speaker 1: of middle of the pack. I think they have a
Speaker 1: pretty good line. But still, here's the guy. Get this.
Speaker 1: Last year, Tera mclauren twelve are better among wide receivers
Speaker 1: and catch percentage above expectation yards for target end zone targets.
Speaker 1: And by the way, that was in an offense last year,
Speaker 1: declan hide offense. Right, it was pass happy under Jay Gruden,
Speaker 1: and they fire him and then Bill Callahan takes over.
Speaker 1: Then we're gonna going back to run first, so we're
Speaker 1: gonna establish the run. There you go, there's a plug
Speaker 1: for Evan Silva. We're gonna I mean literally like that
Speaker 1: was like that's what they were gonna do. And the
Speaker 1: different quarterbacks are in and out, and you know they
Speaker 1: Haskins is thrown behind a brutal offensive line and it's
Speaker 1: just it's a mess. And so I'm a Dwayne Haskins believer.
Speaker 1: I don't believe you throw fifty touchdowns at Ohio State
Speaker 1: and then suddenly forget how to play football. I think
Speaker 1: it was an awful situation, uh, and an awful franchise
Speaker 1: in transition last year that he was thrown into. And
Speaker 1: I think at least they're trying to take, you know,
Speaker 1: at least as you know, at least on the football
Speaker 1: field under Ron Rivera, it's gonna be a much more
Speaker 1: buttoned up organization. And uh, I'm not ready to throw
Speaker 1: in the towel yet on Dwayne Haskins. And certainly I
Speaker 1: expect him to look early and often for his former
Speaker 1: college roommate, a teammate I should say, not roommates, but teammate.
Speaker 1: Before we say goodbye, Matthew, and thank you again for
Speaker 1: joining us, just wanted to ask your take on Erica.
Speaker 1: Can you play the sound clip garden Minshew beer commercial
Speaker 1: where your name is cited? Did they have to get
Speaker 1: clearance to use that? They did not, And I was like,
Speaker 1: it's so funny because his agent texted me like an
Speaker 1: hour before that commercial came out, getting just heads up, gardener,
Speaker 1: gardener name drops you, and I'm like, oh, nice, Um,
Speaker 1: what's he do. He's like, well, he's not happy with
Speaker 1: his ranking. And I'm like, and by way, by the way,
Speaker 1: like Garner on ESPN Garnerment Show seven, I'm s QB twenty.
Speaker 1: You mentioned my he's literally in my love list, like
Speaker 1: I have him. I have him as my QB sleeper
Speaker 1: and our Sleepers and Bus column. He's in my life. Well,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be on his hate list based on this,
Speaker 1: but I'm actually giving love to Gardner Minshew. I think
Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew has a really nice fantasy season here, guys. Um,
Speaker 1: he wants to be a first round pick. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not like you love him that much. I'm not. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm not, I'm not. I don't think he's a first
Speaker 1: round pick, and I don't think he's I don't think
Speaker 1: it's worth a case of beer for me to make
Speaker 1: a round pick. It's a good time for you, though,
Speaker 1: You're getting some good pip, I reached. I retweeted the
Speaker 1: I retweeted that video and said, QB one, I thought
Speaker 1: it was really funny. Um, And in fairness, it's a
Speaker 1: pretty good question. Who the hell is Matthew Berry. It's a.
Speaker 1: It's a'stential question all the time, and I would just
Speaker 1: say my my final thought, and it's unsolicited advice for you, is,
Speaker 1: you know, litigation with Anaheizer Bush about character defamation maybe
Speaker 1: ends up being a nice path for you to set
Speaker 1: up your retirement Rhodor World money. Yeah, exactly. If there's
Speaker 1: any lawyers out there listening, Uh yeah, yeah, if you
Speaker 1: think we got a case. Um, but uh, legit. Since
Speaker 1: this is a fantasy football podcast and I took up
Speaker 1: a minute and a half with Avengers Talk, I will
Speaker 1: say that I actually think Gardner Minshew is a really
Speaker 1: nice fantasy sleeper. Like again, same thing. Uh, there's two things.
Speaker 1: Here's here's the thing. You know, we're talking about sort
Speaker 1: of politics of a team, and like with the David
Speaker 1: Johnson sake one thing. Here's another thing I don't think
Speaker 1: people understand. So Gardner Minshew last year, you know, he
Speaker 1: was a late run draft pick. He's just trying to
Speaker 1: find the field. Nick Foles gets signed to that big
Speaker 1: deal all of a sudden, Minshew's in there like he's
Speaker 1: he's still trying to figure out where he puts his
Speaker 1: helmet like when he comes in practice. So but but
Speaker 1: there's difference, right, there's a difference. You know. Same thing
Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones is a big sleeper for me. Like
Speaker 1: last year he had to come in and it's like Eli,
Speaker 1: it's his living legend, blah blah blah. I just gotta
Speaker 1: stand in the back of the locker room and try
Speaker 1: not to make noise. There's a different mindset that now
Speaker 1: you've come into this year. The Jags have gotten rid
Speaker 1: of Mick Foles. It is Gardner min Chow's team, and uh,
Speaker 1: they a brand new offense cornator, Jay Gruden. What does
Speaker 1: Jay like to do? He likes to throw. New quarterback
Speaker 1: coach Ben McAdoo. What has Ben like to do? Ben
Speaker 1: likes to throw? And now you bringing Gardner Minshe for
Speaker 1: a team that we know is you're building that's gonna
Speaker 1: have a bad that's going to have a They're gonna
Speaker 1: have a bad defense. And uh, think about what Jay
Speaker 1: Grumen has done in his career. If you think about
Speaker 1: his time as the offense creator to the Bengals, or
Speaker 1: is the head coach of Washington been eight full seasons.
Speaker 1: Forget twenty nineteen when he got fired five games in.
Speaker 1: There's been eight full seasons. Three of those seasons. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna throw out first year, which is Andy Dalton's rookie year.
Speaker 1: Throw that out. His first year in Washington, which was
Speaker 1: the r G three got hurt Ear and Kirk Cousins,
Speaker 1: and there's back and forth, and he had to start
Speaker 1: Colp McCoy for a couple of games. He had three
Speaker 1: different quarterbacks that year. And then eighteen, which was when
Speaker 1: he had that was the he had four quarterbacks that year.
Speaker 1: That was the Alex Smith got injured year. That was
Speaker 1: the UH he had played Colt McCoy, my current colleague
Speaker 1: Mark Sanchez, and a f superstar, Josh Johnson. He had
Speaker 1: four quarterbacks that year. So I think it's fair to
Speaker 1: throw those three years out. Every other year that Jay
Speaker 1: Gruden has been an offense creator or a head coach
Speaker 1: in the NFL, he's had a top thirteen Fantasy quarterback.
Speaker 1: Those years that I just talked about, the five years
Speaker 1: that I just talked about, Andy Dalton, Kirk cut were
Speaker 1: all top thirteen all those years. And now he's got
Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew on a bad team. They've got some nice talent.
Speaker 1: I think DJ Shark is the real deal. You're hearing
Speaker 1: great buzz about Lavisa like I'm not. They got Chris
Speaker 1: Thompson out of the backfield, you know, D D. Westbrook.
Speaker 1: I think that that is that. I think Gardner Minshew
Speaker 1: is going to be a real value this year for
Speaker 1: players that are in two quarterback league, super flex leagues,
Speaker 1: deeper leagues. I'm in on gardner Man, even though he
Speaker 1: doesn't know who the hell I am. All right, Matthew Berry,
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Speaker 1: Thank you us, Thank you very much. Matthew Berry. There
Speaker 1: he goes, and that ladies and gentlemen puts a cap
Speaker 1: on the Yes Annual Fantasy Extravaganza. And we are so
Speaker 1: happy to um, so happy to do this every year
Speaker 1: because I feel like we've helped people today. Boys, I
Speaker 1: think so. I think sometimes it's like you wonder what
Speaker 1: you know, just like Matthew Berry is wondering who is
Speaker 1: Matthew Berry? What is our purpose here as a podcast?
Speaker 1: And I think you answered it, Dan, It's to help people.
Speaker 1: I mean, we we make a difference. I'm sure you've
Speaker 1: taken in their fantasy leagues, Ricky. I'm sure you've taken
Speaker 1: many notes as your fantasy draft approaches. Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: I was only on the NFL's Fantasy League one show
Speaker 1: all last year, but no one seemed to care about
Speaker 1: my opinion about any of this. But it's cool. I'm
Speaker 1: not offended or upset, so it's fine. Do you have
Speaker 1: before we sign off, do you have a player that
Speaker 1: come up? Now? I'm done after this four hour show,
Speaker 1: so I'm good. You guys got your info. Oh no,
Speaker 1: you're not done. You're just starting, Honey. You've got a
Speaker 1: lot of work to do. I know this is this
Speaker 1: grew ugly alright, So there you go. Reminder, we have
Speaker 1: two more shows of Around the NFL content coming your way.
Speaker 1: Friday will be the Rundown podcast that will get up
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Speaker 1: can fund it on YouTube, and then at airs on
Speaker 1: NFL Network Saturday morning, So set your DVR if you
Speaker 1: still have that, if you haven't cut the cord. I
Speaker 1: know it's happening a lot these I still got it.
Speaker 1: Keeping direct TV all these years is gonna pay off
Speaker 1: on Sundays this year now that we're stuck on Gugeorge. Alright, Mark, congratulations, First,
Speaker 1: Do you feel truly part of this now? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: think I think this view goal slash trumpet is playing
Speaker 1: for me at the moment, so I do big moment
Speaker 1: for you and I always love when you and Silva
Speaker 1: have a disconnect in conversation. Yeah, how that's not exactly
Speaker 1: like a star Sky and Hutch scenario. I don't think.
Speaker 1: So what did what did change between eight minutes before
Speaker 1: the show when you told me not sure if I'm
Speaker 1: gonna play any fantasy leagues too, to twenty minutes into
Speaker 1: this show you're telling Silva like, oh, yeah, I'm signed
Speaker 1: up for like Dynasty. You know, I know we're trying
Speaker 1: to get out of here. I'll say it real quick.
Speaker 1: I mentioned you Greg that I thought it might be
Speaker 1: good to play with my kids, and so um I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, as the show was going on and you're
Speaker 1: sort of thinking your own things in your head, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be a good idea. So that's all fun
Speaker 1: out with the follow up question nobody wants alright when
Speaker 1: Erica starts, we know this one's getting cut for social
Speaker 1: shut up, all right, Dan Hanson signing off or quiet Storm,
Speaker 1: the old Boss, Ricky Hollywood, and all of our wonderful
Speaker 1: guests Adam Rank, Marcus Grant, Liz Lowe's Uh, Evan Silva,
Speaker 1: and Matthew Berry. Until Friday, Let's skip through a field
Speaker 1: and try not to get the plague