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Speaker 1: Welcome to the seventh annual Around the NFL Fantasy Extravaguns.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hans is coming to you from

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Speaker 1: the virtual room filled with heroes. Mark Sessler, Greg Rosatal,

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Speaker 1: Ricky Hollywood. What's up? My first question? Do we have

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Speaker 1: you drew attention to it anyways. But yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's in our library. I think anything over a hundred

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Speaker 1: hundred So I think we're all set on this. Why

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Speaker 1: and why does the music sound like this? Greg's gonna

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Speaker 1: ask after we're done recording. The reason is because this

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Speaker 1: is a celebration. It's a celebration of fantasy royalty, and

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Speaker 1: we're going all the way back to the time of

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Speaker 1: kings and queens UH to give you the best best

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Speaker 1: fantasy advice and insight possible as you get ready to

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Speaker 1: one kickoff. That's why it is the extravaganza. And we

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Speaker 1: have an incredible yes now because I want to hear

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Speaker 1: the lineup. No, we have an incredible lineup joining us

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Speaker 1: in a couple of minutes. We have the Great Adam

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Speaker 1: our friend Marcus Grant also joining us. Liz Loza of

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Speaker 1: well known fantasy guys out there, joints the around the

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Speaker 1: NFL podcast Fantasy Extravaganza. I mean, Greg, how about that?

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Speaker 1: I mean you built who let's talk about it. You

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Speaker 1: that your standards are high when it comes to who

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Speaker 1: you feeling right? I'm feeling ship her his tingles like

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Speaker 1: the excitement. Not you know, I missed, I missed West

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Speaker 1: Who you know, Chris Wesley who helped me build it.

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Speaker 1: Fellow brick layer, you know brick by Brick at Road

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Speaker 1: to World along with Silva. Um. But I also I

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Speaker 1: feel like this is a celebration because it's a culmination.

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Speaker 1: It's a culmination of a seven year process of a

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Speaker 1: man named Mark Sessler being out on a street corner,

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Speaker 1: not even really not even really inside the Fantasy Extravaganza UM,

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Speaker 1: a guy who thought of it. You know, fantasy heads

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Speaker 1: were hobby horses as he waited um for some sort

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Speaker 1: of world ending event to happen. And then here we are,

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Speaker 1: in the middle of a pandemic. The world event ending

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Speaker 1: event is here, and there's Mark embracing fantasy like never before,

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Speaker 1: looking for fantasy Street Corner, now fully gentrified, and he's

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Speaker 1: in out of the cold, and he's talking a DP

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Speaker 1: leading up to today's show. He's sitting in on mock

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Speaker 1: drafts with strangers and now here he is with us

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Speaker 1: for the first time ever on the Extravaganza as a

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Speaker 1: full time member. You know it was it was about

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Speaker 1: the official a DP on these guys. So I really

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Speaker 1: I view got you guys just like um, like my

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Speaker 1: So you know, I I couldn't be more of a newbie.

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Speaker 1: But let's give it a go. All right, this is exciting.

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Speaker 1: This is our sevent annual Fantasy Extrono Fanca and um

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Speaker 1: without further ado, we welcome the man who was part

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Speaker 1: of last year's event, which I believe was the annual

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Speaker 1: Fantasy Extravaganza. He is the legend himself, Adam Rank. Oh, yes,

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Speaker 1: the king himself, the man that mixes mirth with fantasy

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Speaker 1: like no one else. Rank. What's up? What's going on?

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Speaker 1: You know what part of me feels like I should

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Speaker 1: If we're asking you to do, you know you're not

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Speaker 1: You're not Barry Harwitz. Rank don't know. That's it. That's

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Speaker 1: exactly what I am. I am Hurricane Helms. I'm here

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Speaker 1: relevant complaint, Adam, I think you should you should maybe

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Speaker 1: matt Berry, like there's no disrespect. But Gardner mins Gardner

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Speaker 1: them the rub? And Gardner Minshew who he name drops

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Speaker 1: Matthew Berry and Gardner Minshew plays for Tony Cohn's Jacksonville Jaguars.

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Speaker 1: And last year when we did League One, was there

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Speaker 1: And then there's a commercial with Gardner and I don't

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Speaker 1: come on, Tony, I can just say my name. A

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Speaker 1: all yeah, there's like that's my normal role. Well you

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Speaker 1: I mean he's still he mean when that's the synergy

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Speaker 1: So we have to lead it off with family and

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Speaker 1: the way, check out I Believe and no it's not

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Speaker 1: off brand. Does does the Fantasy Spectacular sound kind of

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Speaker 1: you check out the Spectacular, which just uh came out

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Speaker 1: do between just you know that it was amazing. He

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Speaker 1: killed it. It was amazing and I couldn't stop watching it.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about conspiracy theory, one of Julia roberts least

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Speaker 1: But this is why, this is why I was producing

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Speaker 1: not gonna happen. I'm gonna give you a couple. We're

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Speaker 1: and he feels like a guy for that sort of slot.

425
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Speaker 1: He's absolutely the guy for that slot. So, Margot, we're

426
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Speaker 1: gonna talk about a couple of things. We're gonna get

427
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Speaker 1: to the running backs in a second. But what is

428
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Speaker 1: your philosophy when it comes to the quarterback room. Do

429
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 1: you you know I play in a two quarterback league,

430
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: which I know is unorthodox, but we love it because

431
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 1: that puts more importance on the quarterback in fantasy. And

432
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 1: we talked about it just now with Rank and West's

433
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 1: was yelling about it on Monday that the quarterback doesn't

434
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: get enough love and fantasy and he's the single most

435
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,959
Speaker 1: important player in football. So when is fantasy gonna figure

436
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,880
Speaker 1: that out? I guess having a two QB league addresses

437
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 1: that on some front, but let's stick with the one

438
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Speaker 1: QB league, which most people do. Should you wait on

439
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 1: qbs or do you grab one of those top tier talents? Uh?

440
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 1: If if they're there for you. I have started to

441
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: kind of shift my philosophy on that because I was,

442
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: you know, sort of like everybody else. Do you wait

443
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 1: on a quarterback crowd? Um? Yeah, you always find those guys.

444
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 1: I always had that guy that I would refer to

445
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: as the patron saint of the Church of Wit on

446
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 1: a quarterback. I mean for years, Uh, it was like

447
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers, it was Matthew Stafford. I think Tom Brady

448
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 1: has sort of graduated into that category. This year down

449
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 1: there in Tampa. But last year I really got to

450
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: a point where I said, look, if you were going

451
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: to draft a quarterback early, go get yourself a good one. Now.

452
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: At the time when I said that, I was thinking

453
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: about Patrick Mahomes. I'm not gonna sit here and pretend

454
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 1: that I I predicted Lamar Jackson running for twelve hundred

455
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: yards and lighten the world on fire. Um. But I

456
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: really did feel like, and I agree with West completely.

457
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Speaker 1: I don't understand why it is if we all agree

458
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: that Mahomes is awesome, that Lamar Jackson is awesome, why

459
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: it's considered a tactical disadvantage to go out and draft

460
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: those guys. So I started to come around. I can't

461
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: say that I've reached early enough to get a Mahomes

462
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: or Jackson in a lot of leagues, but I feel

463
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: a lot more comfortable and sort of those you know,

464
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: I guess early middle rounds, if you will, round five,

465
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: round six, whether it's Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson, is a

466
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 1: name that I like a whole lot. Um. I do

467
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: feel some guilt into talking up Kyler. I think Kylar

468
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: murd is gonna be great. I think we have talked

469
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: him up past what potentially his draft value could be.

470
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: But I think he's another reasonable option to take if

471
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,719
Speaker 1: you're looking in around five, six or seven to go

472
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 1: get a quarterback. I wonder, I wonder if someone one

473
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Speaker 1: thing on quarterbacks. I wonder if Aaron Rodgers has graduated

474
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Speaker 1: into that second tier now in fantasy dress, if it's

475
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: finally people where this, yeah, it's happens. I think for

476
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: years we sort of left him in that top tier,

477
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 1: and I think it was sort of muscle memory. We're

478
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: just used to talking about Aaron Rodgers so long there.

479
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: But I think what we've seen, especially last year, even

480
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, is that he is starting

481
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 1: to kind of fall off that pedestal. And I think, uh,

482
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 1: you know, I think the fantasy community and just drafters

483
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: as a whole have sort of caught up to that,

484
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 1: and so he's not getting just reflexively picked in the

485
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 1: first five rounds like he used to. I would I

486
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Speaker 1: would ask you this about running backs because it's not

487
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: a question about bus but when you look at certain

488
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: UH teams the way they're assembled, I think of Buffalo's backfield,

489
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 1: you've got Zack Moss, who's you know, gaining steam by

490
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: the week from reporters and camp. You've got Devin Singletary there,

491
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 1: the Pats backfield, the Ravens. Like, do you have teams

492
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: that you know, when you're looking at who you're gonna

493
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Speaker 1: draft and what target running backs you're gonna target early,

494
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: You're just I'm not touching this team because uh, you know,

495
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: it's just it's too cloudy and we're drafting three days

496
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: from now. Or do you just say, I like the

497
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 1: idea of this guy, I'm gonna go for it no

498
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: matter what. It's Zack Moss, it's filling the blank. Jonathan Taylor. Yeah, No,

499
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: there are there are back fields that I have just

500
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: generally sort of avoided. The Rams is the one that

501
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: is top of mind for me. Um Whatever Sean McVeigh

502
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 1: has asked about his running backs, I mean he will

503
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 1: mention literally everyone. I mean he'll talk about Cam Akers,

504
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: He'll talk about Malcolm Brown and Darryl Henderson. I really

505
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: feel like he might have brought up Zack Stacey and

506
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: Gaston Green at some point over the stac has been

507
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 1: in the game a long time, so like I feel

508
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: like I just I can't get on respect. I'm done here,

509
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take off the headset and walk away. Now.

510
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: I just I've been able to stay away from that

511
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: backfield because I just haven't really been able to get

512
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: on board with it. They're one I feel like in

513
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: the past, uh that applied to the forty Niners and

514
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: just a Kyle Shanahan backfield. Although I feel like we've

515
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 1: gotten a little bit more clarity over the years. Um,

516
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 1: I will say with you went in Baltimore, I still

517
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: went in on mark Ingram. I think the J. K.

518
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: Dobbins time starts sort of next year and beyond, but

519
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: I still think mark Ingram has a role. I look

520
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: at Buffalo as sort of a mess because I like

521
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: Devin Singletary's talent, but it just doesn't seem like the

522
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: Bills are that into him. They keep putting obstacles in

523
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: front of him. First it was Frank Gore, who is

524
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: going to live forever? Uh you know, Now it's Zack

525
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: Moss who's going to get those goal line carries? So

526
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: there are you are right, There are backfields you look at,

527
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: and it's just it's so cloudy for me that I

528
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: attended to just be hands off. It's something. There is

529
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: a point I think where that you become so prevalent

530
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: that if you gotta take on a player, go for it,

531
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: like you don't have to, you can make a cho

532
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: I love cam Akers. I could be wrong, Um, I

533
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: could be wrong in terms of the usage for sure,

534
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: but I just think he's a great player and and

535
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: eventually guys like that will end up having value. And

536
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 1: if if you're a player, you might not agree with

537
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: that one, but you might have a backfield, like if

538
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: you might have a guy in New England that you like,

539
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: whether it's James White or Damon Harris, or you might

540
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: have a guy. And I don't think like people should

541
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: be afraid just because you don't know who's gonna get

542
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 1: it week one, by week four or five, everything's gonna

543
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: be scrambled so much anyways that sometimes like there's a

544
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: little bit of a week one bias in these drafts

545
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: where everyone is thinking about week one, week two. Well.

546
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: I think the upshot there though, is is because we

547
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: get so much talk about, you know, uncertainty in backfields

548
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: and no real clear number one. I think what ends

549
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: up happening is that everybody stays away and then the

550
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: adp falls for these guys and I always say that

551
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: everybody is a good pick in the right spot, right.

552
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: I mean, if you if if Kim a Ers or

553
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 1: Darrell Henderson falls enough, sure I'm willing to take that

554
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: shot and see what happens with it. But if you're

555
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 1: asking me if I want to take a chance I

556
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: can makers in the sixth round, I'll tell you that

557
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: I don't feel confident enough for in that space. You know,

558
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going after for Henderson, say in round nine

559
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: or ten. Um. You know, so if if we if

560
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: we create enough confusion, if we're blowing up smoke, maybe

561
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: it does kind of help everybody else because that ADP

562
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: starts to come down. Marcus, we have, according to our

563
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: own NFL Fantasy A DP rankings, we have one, two, three, four,

564
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: or five six players at the running back position going

565
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: in the top ten of drafts right now, McCaffrey, say,

566
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: Quan Zeke, Alvin Kamara, Derrick Henry Dalvin Cook. Of those stars,

567
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: which is the one that you are maybe the most

568
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: nervous about, and conversely the one that you're like, oh,

569
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: lock and loaded, I have no worries that this guy

570
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: is gonna disappoint me. Well, I'll start with the positive. First.

571
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: I mean the guy that I am look see him

572
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: c is on a completely different level right now because

573
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: he's the closest thing to a one man offense we've

574
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: seen in a while in the NFL. But the the

575
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: other stud that I am all in on is Alvin Kamara.

576
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Speaker 1: Um I think right now, I think you had him

577
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: is one fifth. I think on that list, I have

578
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: been taking him with the third pick and a lot

579
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: of drafts. I mean it's it's generally been on most drafts.

580
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: C MC one say Quantu and I am right there

581
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: to grab Camara at number three. I mean yeah, uh yeah,

582
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: I had Yeah. I like Zeke. I think I think

583
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: he's fantastic, but I do see that offense kind of

584
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: becoming more Dack centered. Uh And plus Tony Paula is

585
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: gonna sneak in there, I think, and get some work.

586
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: Camara is a guy who want just lock him in

587
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: for eighty one catches, right, I mean that that is

588
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: the that's the number every year for him. So far

589
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: this year he still gave you pretty decent numbers despite

590
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: not being healthy. I think you know he'll see his

591
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: touchdown numbers come back up again. So I am not

592
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: worried about him at all. The guy that I am

593
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: a little bit worried about it's probably Derek Entering, just

594
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: because what he did last year was was outstanding. It

595
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: was great that they decided to lean on him and

596
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: give him those opportunities. But he doesn't catch the football,

597
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: which is something we really want, especially out of a

598
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: guy you're drafting in the first round of your your

599
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: fantasy leagues. Um, he's just not going to get those

600
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: targets in that backfield. The other part of it is, uh,

601
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: you look at his rushing totals. First of all, he

602
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: had a two hundred yard game in Week seventeen, which

603
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: helped absolutely no one because pretty much all fantasy leagues

604
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: are over. So that's that's something to take into account

605
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: when you look at him this year. The other part

606
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: of it is the touchdown numbers were really high, which

607
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: is great. It also seems like it's something that's gonna

608
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: be very hard to duplicate, especially if the Titans really

609
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: are all in on Ryan Tannehill and trying to give him,

610
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: you know, more responsibility in that offense. I think Henry

611
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: is gonna be a top ten running back when it's

612
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: all said and done. I would prefer to draft him

613
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: more early second round in late first round. You might

614
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: have an argument from from the big Fish coming up

615
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: a little later. I know he's a big fan of

616
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,239
Speaker 1: the big Dogs, so we might have to bring that up.

617
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: You you had, you're talking running backs, and those top

618
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: guys are all, you know, pretty bulletproof. But I I

619
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: do have an issue looking at the ADP this year

620
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: that my biggest takeaway looking at it for the first time,

621
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: like this week, was all these trashy running backs going

622
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: in the second, third, and fourth round, and I don't

623
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: I just don't get it. We're gonna talk receivers later

624
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: with Liz Losis, so we'll leave that to the side.

625
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: But I just don't get taking kind of bad players

626
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: just because they're running backs in the second or third

627
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: or fourth round. And I'll give you names. Gurley is

628
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: like the most obvious one that I'm sure everyone's mentioned. Um,

629
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: but Kenyan Drake. I love Kenyan Drake like as a player,

630
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: but that seems a little a little wild considering his history.

631
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: David Johnson, David Montgomery. Now his injury will kind of

632
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: knock them down a little bit. Like four NET. It's

633
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: just like I know, I know that average draft position

634
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: tells you, and some of the the analysts tell you,

635
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: but it's like, why take pretty mediocre players when there

636
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: are like great players still available that scored just as

637
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Speaker 1: many or more points at the receiver position. Well, I

638
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Speaker 1: think you have quite a bit of wish casting going

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Speaker 1: on with some of these guys. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: in the wise words of rust cold time as a

641
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: flat circle, right, we started this thing where running backs

642
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Speaker 1: were going to be coming off the board fast and

643
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Speaker 1: furious in the early rounds. Then as PPR became more

644
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Speaker 1: of a thing, we sort of pivoted to wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: Now we're back to running backs because a lot of

646
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Speaker 1: them catch passes and that certainly inflates their value. But

647
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Speaker 1: we've also sort of started to reach for guys that

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Speaker 1: we think could have workhorse roles. And I think, you know,

649
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Speaker 1: we have told ourselves a story with some of these

650
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Speaker 1: guys that maybe isn't exactly true. I mean, I I

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Speaker 1: will admit to being a guy who was big on

652
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Speaker 1: Jenian Drake just seeing how the Cardinals used him in

653
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Speaker 1: the back half of last season. And I haven't quite

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Speaker 1: bought into this idea of Chase Edmunds eating into that

655
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: workload the way Cliff Kingsbury suggested. Look, Cliff Kingsbury certainly

656
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: knows better than I, but you know who am I.

657
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell Cliff Kingsbury. I think you're right. That's

658
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: the one guy of that list that I would say

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Speaker 1: I has a chance to be awesome. It's like the

660
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: other guys have kind of shown who they are. Believe him, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think so. I mean I think with Girly, you know,

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00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: I think early on in this offseason I sort of

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Speaker 1: thought Girly maybe had an opportunity because I felt like

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Speaker 1: the Falcons would use him more as a pass catcher,

665
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Speaker 1: which is something the Rams just sort of abandoned last year.

666
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, hearing that when you talk about

667
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Speaker 1: yards per route run, which is one of those advanced

668
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: metrics that we like to look at, uh talk Gurley

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Speaker 1: was dead last among all running backs last year, that

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Speaker 1: that's no boy, no, uh. And I think that's something

671
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: to take into account when you figure they also have,

672
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Speaker 1: you know, Julio Jones and Calvin Ridley, and they add

673
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: Hayden Hurst. They've got other guys to throw the football too.

674
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Speaker 1: So girlies one for net is one that I've sort

675
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Speaker 1: of stayed away from because how can I like a

676
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: running back that doesn't seem to be liked by his

677
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: own team? So yeah, I I Greg, I totally get

678
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Speaker 1: where you're coming from. But I do think because we

679
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Speaker 1: have gone running back crazy in the early round, we

680
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Speaker 1: have to kind of reach for some fringe guys and

681
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: try to, you know, tell us a story to make

682
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Speaker 1: ourselves feel better about where we're taking them. I had

683
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: a quick one for you before we go here. Trades,

684
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Speaker 1: all right, whether it's for running backs in season or whatever,

685
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: how do you not be the dude that you always

686
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: see these like these tweet will be out there on

687
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: someone just getting absolutely fleeced in a trade and it's

688
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: embarrassing their friends abandoned them, Their children are embarrassed having

689
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: their parents. How do you not get fleeced in trades?

690
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: If you're a new player, what's your fear? Culton and

691
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: Luke just being like you traded traded away? Hopkins father?

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Speaker 1: How do you just not be you know, become a

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Speaker 1: total du fist? So how do you make sound transactions? Well?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think the first thing I think that

695
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: I tell everybody is is this about fantasy football or

696
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: like just life advice. Right now? How am I getting there?

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00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: I was like, my first piece of advice to everybody

698
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Speaker 1: is don't worry about who wins the trade, right, Like,

699
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Speaker 1: I get a lot of tweets where people, you know,

700
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Speaker 1: show me the deal and they're like, well, who wins

701
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: this deal? And my answer to them is like, don't

702
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: worry about winning the deal. Worry about improving your team.

703
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 1: That should be the first thing you look at when

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Speaker 1: you make a trade. If you feel like you have

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Speaker 1: filled a position of need, if you feel like you've

706
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Speaker 1: gotten stronger in a certain spot, then you know, the

707
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: hell with what everybody else is gonna say about it,

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00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: Just feel like you got better now. At the same time, uh,

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00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: you know, it does sort of make sense to look

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00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: at production, your past production, and what the potential outcome

711
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: can be for that player, um, because you know, obviously

712
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Speaker 1: you don't want to give up a Derrick Henry type

713
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: and you know in return, get you know, the third

714
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Speaker 1: wide receiver, you know, get a get Dante Pettis. Right,

715
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: if you don't want to, you don't want to make

716
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: that sort of deal. It usually does two for ones.

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00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: The two for ones when you're getting the one you

718
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: want to be the one, right The only that is

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00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: that there. There are plenty of times you make a

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Speaker 1: trade and at the moment it sort of looks one side,

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00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: but then something happened. Either a guy loses his gig,

722
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: he unfortunately gets hurt, he just underperforms, and then by

723
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: the time it all shakes out at the end of

724
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: the year, that trade ends up looking a little bit

725
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: more even than you thought. So I guess that's just

726
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 1: a way of saying, just ignore the knee jerk haters

727
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: on Twitter because they're always going to be there. Your

728
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: children will respect you by the end of this. Look

729
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: at the stats. Finally, uh, Marcus in the running back category,

730
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: who's telling the truth about Lebian Bell's hamstring? Levyan Bell

731
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: or Adam Gates. I will say that one h Adam Gates,

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Speaker 1: I know, doesn't have the best track record amongst us

733
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Speaker 1: fantasy types, that we don't necessarily trust his word. But

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Speaker 1: at the same time, Levian has a tendency to exaggerate

735
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Speaker 1: over social media, So uh, this is one and that

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Speaker 1: I think I am I am you know, I'm gonna

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00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: have the the Bill hater popcorn meme. I'm just sitting

738
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Speaker 1: back in sort of watching the whole thing go down,

739
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: and I am not quite inside in this. What do

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00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: you think about Bell? Because a couple of years ago

741
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: he's the best fantasy running back on the planet. Last

742
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: year was a mess, but we've had reports before Wednesday's

743
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: developments that he's the best shape of his life and

744
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: he's got a lot to prove and the offensive line

745
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: is better. Is he a guys stay away guy for

746
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: you or a guy you thinking up? I know you

747
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: probably don't want to hear this is a Jets fan,

748
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: I want them to. I want them to trade Left Bell.

749
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: I want him back into our fantasy lives because look,

750
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: I looked at the the guys that I know, the

751
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: Adam Gates expats from last season, right, whether it was

752
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill, Kenyan Drake, DeVante Parker, all these guys who

753
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: got out from underneath him and then had some of

754
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: the best years of their life. I think Left still

755
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 1: has something in the tank. I want him back in

756
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: my fantasy life. So if if they can find a

757
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: way to look as a USCLU, I want the same

758
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: for Sam Donald. I just want good things for these guys,

759
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 1: and I just don't think it's gonna happen under Adam Gates.

760
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 1: Yeah maybe maybe maybe next year, maybe next decade, who knows.

761
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: All right, Marcus Grant, you've said it all. Well, thank

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00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: you so much for joining us. And again, um, long

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00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: have you been at NFL Network? Mars, This this is

764
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: season number at you just like Mark and Dan. There

765
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: you go. Grant Grant knows his stuff. You can check

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00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: them out an NFL network and was writing on NFL

767
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: dot Com, following on Twitter. Thank you, buddy and best

768
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: of luck this season. Stay healthy, guys, be good. You

769
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Speaker 1: know what that sound means. It's another regal guest on

770
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: the Fantasy Extravaganza and she is one of our favorites.

771
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: She knows her stuff. She works for Yahoo Fantasy. But

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Speaker 1: right now she's going to speak to us. Liz Loza,

773
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: what's up, Liz? Oh, Hello, I've never felt so regal

774
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: wearing elastic waistband pants for six months. This is fantastic. Yeah,

775
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: I mean this is We've decided that it's kind of

776
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: all royalty here, uh for this Fantasy Extravaganza this year.

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00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 1: And Liz is you know, covering fantasy from every angle

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00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: at Yahoo and you could follow her at Liz Losa

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Speaker 1: underscore ff and for this part of the conversation, Liz,

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00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, how are you doing everything? Okay, yeah,

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00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 1: it's great, best You're ever right, and I know I'm

782
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: very honored. Let me just say to be here because well,

783
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: I am no big fish. My only hope is to

784
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: be like a prognosticating mermaid of some sort. We can

785
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: use that coming up a little bit later on the show.

786
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: But just being on this show means you're a big fish.

787
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 1: We were looking for, you know, any way we can

788
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: help widen the divide between you and your Yahoo colleague

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00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: Matt Harmon. So choosing you to come on to represent

790
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: Yahoo that was really well. Plugging his name certainly helps

791
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: my cause. I suppose I know he'll appreciate that. You

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Speaker 1: said the prognosticating mermaid. Sure yes, spell casting yeah or not?

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00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: I guess maybe could work. It has fins. All right,

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00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: let's get into it. List. So we want to talk

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00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: a little wide receiver with LOWSA. Liz could uh speak

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00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: on any topic, but we're gonna d drill in now

797
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: on wide receivers on draft day and making sense of

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00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: the positional group. Um, So when you look at the

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00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: well let's start here. When you look at the overall group,

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Speaker 1: I think everyone kind of decided, and with good reason.

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00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas is the guy. He's the number one guy,

802
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: But I feel like he gets a little murky after that.

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00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: So in terms of the top ten before we dive

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00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: in deeper, how do you see that shaking out? If

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00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: you're somebody that's looking at target a wide receiver and

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00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas isn't an option, well, I don't really think

807
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: it much matters for fantasy, frankly. After after Michael Thomas,

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00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: you've got Davante Adams, who I think you know could

809
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Speaker 1: have been the wide receiver one last year were it

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00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: not for some bad luck in the end zone, frankly,

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Speaker 1: and I do expect his touchdowns to rebound quite a

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00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: bit in But honestly, this position is so deep, and

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00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: if we're talking draft strategy in comparis, and running back

814
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: is so stinking shallow that I am willing to forego

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00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: elite talent at the top in favor of hammering the

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00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: running back position. So the top ten guys Thomas, Davante Adams,

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Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, DeAndre Hopkins, Still, Julio Jones, Chris Godwin, I

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00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: like a lot. I haven't ranked as my wide receiver

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00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: six mostly because of his versatility. I like him well

820
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: ahead of Mike Evans in fact, because while Mike Evans

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Speaker 1: is absolutely a deep threat, that has negatively affected his

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Speaker 1: efficiency even with the upgrade and quarterback from Winston to Brady.

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Speaker 1: But you're basically on Evans to me, counting on touchdowns

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Speaker 1: right because of that giant wings fan and red zone potential.

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00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: But Godwin can do all the things. And when Gronk

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Speaker 1: is in the picture, I have to imagine, especially week one,

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Speaker 1: they have got the Patriots, I'm sorry the Bucks to

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Speaker 1: have the Saints. The Saints have that really amazing pass rush.

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Speaker 1: To me, that's a lot of Brady checking down to

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00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: his favorite, most reliable options. So I think Grount could

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Speaker 1: be a very big um hero in September, early season hero.

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00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 1: I imagine him catching a couple, maybe even two spikes

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00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: week one as Brady is feeling that new sort of pressure.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not sure, at least on the top of things,

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00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: and obviously in fantasy you want to win out of

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00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: the gate early Evans is going to be as reliable

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00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: or really r o I on his top You know what,

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00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: does he. I think he's second round draft potential, so

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Speaker 1: those top ten guys up until Chris Godwin. I like

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Speaker 1: him if you have the ability to swerve and you

841
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: can find, but still had much rather hammer the running

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00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: back position and then wait until maybe even as late

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00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: as round five to start loading up on wide receiver

844
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: feels like so long though, I like it feels like

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00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: like a I was gonna say, like, I like a

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00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: higher if you want to take a running back in

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Speaker 1: the first four rounds, like three of those first four rounds,

848
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Speaker 1: and if you're not going to settle on one of

849
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: the elite tight ends like Kiddle or Kelsey, so like,

850
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: if you're drafting under the third or the fourth spot,

851
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: I really like taking Kiddle or Kelsey for the advantage

852
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: in the second round, back of the second round. But

853
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: if you're drafting at the back of the first round,

854
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: I would prefer maybe waiting on and if you wanted

855
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: a high floor receiver, getting someone like Alan Robinson right

856
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 1: like he's going to see a hundred thirty plus looks

857
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: again this year. I like the volume. We know his

858
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: amazing talent. I also I'm not so worried about Keenan Allen.

859
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: I feel like his ADP has slid tremendously because people

860
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: are over adjusting for the change in quarterback. But Alan

861
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: is a talent, and talent breaks all the ties. He's

862
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: an incredible route runner. Mike Williams has this shoulder issue.

863
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: I think Keenan Allen in the fourth round is a

864
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: really great wide receiver. One as a stable wide receiver,

865
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: and then you can start again loading up on the

866
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: position with more higher upside guys like Calvin Ridley and

867
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: all these. DJ Chark is wildly undervalue. You can w

868
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: with some respect on DJ's name. Like everyone's talking about

869
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 1: ter Lauren. It's the same argument, put a little respect

870
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: on his name. I'm with you on like the depth there.

871
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: And I was always into you know when I when

872
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: I did fantasy that it's like you draft players, you

873
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: don't draft positions, and uh, it feels like especially this

874
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: year where everyone's drafting running backs early. I don't know,

875
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: the players just seem better at ride receiver, Like maybe

876
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: you take one running back in the first round and

877
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: then after that. I just have a feeling like the value,

878
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: especially in those middle rounds. I looked at those guys

879
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: you mentioned, a couple of them feeling would be one

880
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: Adam Feeling, oh B J Keenan, Allen Lockett, Alan Robinson,

881
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 1: Sutton Cup like a J. Brown. Those guys are all

882
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: gonna show up. They're all gonna show up, They're all

883
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: gonna produce. It's a passing leg if you're playing PPR,

884
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: It's like they're all gonna put up points every single week.

885
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: Whereas most of these running backs are good in the

886
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: first round and then they're bad. Draft good players don't

887
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: draft bad players. I mean the one who I'm just

888
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: saying receivers are so deep, I think we're pretty close

889
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 1: to the same here that basically there's so much value

890
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: in all those guys from three, four or five six,

891
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,479
Speaker 1: you know, in all those rounds that it just would

892
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 1: be like hard to pass them up when you're looking

893
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: at these like kind of trash running backs, like who

894
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: would you rather have in real life? That's going to

895
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: come through every week? And that that part of it

896
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: really dry up after round four. I mean, are you

897
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: gonna are you gonna stake your fantasy claim on like J. K.

898
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: Dobbins because you hear he's blowing up in camp when

899
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: mark Ingram is like all of a sudden j. K. Dobbins,

900
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: who's incredible arky, But I liked him coming out of

901
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: the draft or coming into the draft rather ahead of

902
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift. I love his skill set. Also a great

903
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: past productor which no one talks about. But do we

904
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: really think that Ravens are gonna shy away from mark

905
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: ingram something that works so well last year just because

906
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: the rookie looks good right away. Yeah, you gotta hit

907
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: out some running back. You gotta hit him some running

908
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 1: backs late. But I like kind of the idea of

909
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 1: taking guys that you know are gonna be be good.

910
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: And I also like the idea of zigging, where all

911
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: the fantasy heads or zagging, you know, so if it's

912
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: a year then everybody's taking running backs early, then you

913
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: do the opposite. Doing the opposite is always a good

914
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: draft strategy. I feel like I want to ask you

915
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: this is because you know, this is a weird year

916
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: and you know, strange offseason, and there may be casual

917
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: players that are saying I don't have time for fantasy

918
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: this year, or it's it's not the top thing on

919
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: my list. But let's say you dive in. You follow

920
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: all this draft advice everyone's always concerned about the draft.

921
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: There's all this hype about it, and then obviously, like

922
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 1: six year players you know, fade away with knee injuries

923
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: and shoulders falling off their off their bodies, and then

924
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: you gotta then you gotta deal with the regular sayson

925
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: roster management? How what? How? What is your advice? Because

926
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 1: there's all this draft advice, But when you're in week three,

927
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: your team has fallen apart, how do you how much

928
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: time do you need to spend? How would you approach

929
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: that you got kids at home? Things are crazy like

930
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: and you've got some hyper falling off people's bodies that

931
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: you've got some you got you got some super nerd

932
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: in your league who's up at three twenty two, like,

933
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: you know, taking stuff off the waiver wire? How do

934
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: you do it in a weird fantasy and a weird

935
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: Corona year. Well, listen, if you are a parent, do

936
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: not draft in the league without parents this year because

937
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: they're gonna have an immediate advantage on you. Just just that,

938
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. If you don't have any yes, yes, never

939
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: more have freedom and finance has been more pronounced than

940
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: in parents. But why are your children like bound and

941
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: gag in the in the video behind you. I just

942
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: noticed them in the corner. They're they're very well behaved.

943
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: I would say so. Yes, like this year, especially when

944
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: you're adding into potentially even players landing on the COVID list, right,

945
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to work the waiver wire. This is

946
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: a fact. There's no I'm not gonna try to, you know,

947
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: sprinkle some pixie dust on this and say like, no, no,

948
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to work more this year. But will

949
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: I What I will say is, don't you want to

950
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: do something? Don't you want to distract yourself from all

951
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: of the maudlin maccabre ish that's going on around you.

952
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 1: I mean, I have become a Denver. I'm not sorry.

953
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: I've become a Utah Jazz fan. All of a sudden.

954
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: I'm watching the Utah Jazz. You know why? Because it

955
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: lets me escape. So if you want to work the

956
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 1: waiver wire at three o'clock in the morning instead of

957
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: laying awake staring at the ceiling thinking about how the

958
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: world is grumbling, fantasy footballs for you? Yeah? Wait? Why

959
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: the Jazz? You just you? Are you from the area?

960
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: Kid man? That Mitchell kids two? Nice to lift it up?

961
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: And I like the orange uniforms, the whole thing. I

962
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 1: know you guys have a don thing, but you know, no, no,

963
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: we're we're big in our Our last producer was was Mormon,

964
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: probably a big jazz fan. So it all, it all connects.

965
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm not Mormon at all. Why do

966
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 1: you assume that Sydney was a huge Utah jazz fan

967
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 1: because because he's from Utah, you know, but there's no

968
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: from Salt Lakes. You know who's from Utah. That's the

969
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: one team you have. You better route for them, Liz.

970
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: Let me, let me throw out some wide receivers that

971
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: are going to give people pause and they're gonna think, oh,

972
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: he could be awesome or he could end up killing me.

973
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: Uh coming off a bad year injury wise and quarterback wise.

974
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: Juju Smith Schuster, I think Big Ben is healthy. I

975
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: did a series of articles called rest versus Rust with

976
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: the help of an orthopedic surgeon at USC. He's also

977
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,959
Speaker 1: the team. It's not a brag, it's a resume, baby

978
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: um And so I think Big Ben is going to

979
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: be healthy. She'll be healthy enough. I'm not worried about

980
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: the elbow. I think Ben have being back unlocked a

981
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: lot of fantasy potential. I'm not worried about ju Also,

982
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: Jujuna is allowed to primarily perform in the slot which

983
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: he has vested doing, especially when you look at you know,

984
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: Deonte Thompson coming on and being able to hold it

985
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: down on the outside. And so I think that gives

986
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: Juju an opportunity to return to doing what he does well.

987
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 1: I have him ranked inside my top twenty. I think

988
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: he bounces back, all right. How about the Sessler's Golden

989
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: Boy Odell Beckham Jr. Any idea is not my golden

990
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: I want to hear what you have to say here though,

991
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: so oh b J. I did a pro ject fearless

992
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: forecast for him, a projection. It is tough because you

993
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: cannot deny the talent. And yet he was not healthy

994
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: last year. He reports to be healthy this year. You know,

995
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 1: I do think there is a bounce back there. I

996
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: am going to believe, especially when you look at the

997
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: way he played um dealing with that core surgery, that

998
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: core malady whatever it was, hernia sports hernia. UM. I

999
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: think he is going to be healthier, and if that

1000
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: is true, then he will be electric. I also think

1001
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: you're probably going to see some of that production come

1002
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: down because we know Stefanski loves to run the ball.

1003
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: Though as much as people talk about unfriendly run first offense,

1004
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: you also like, this is still a passing league, right,

1005
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: so that we know that they're still going to be

1006
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: points available. So I think he bounced backs, but I

1007
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: think when you deal with ob J, you're dealing with variants.

1008
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: But that is baked into his current what like where

1009
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: where is he going mid like late fourth round? He

1010
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: seems to me he would be on my list if

1011
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 1: I don't you know, rank had the list of the

1012
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: guys that he absolutely loves league when and O b

1013
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 1: J would be near the top. Sometimes I think fantasy

1014
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 1: don't get too complicated. You buy low, sell high. And

1015
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: this is like an unbelievable player who only one needs

1016
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: to do what he did in his terror, you know,

1017
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: in his supposedly terrible year last year to live up

1018
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: to that draft building. Anyways, like he if you got

1019
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: a thousand yards and what he got in the draft

1020
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: him that you'd be fine with that. And there's a

1021
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: pretty solid chance that he just you know, rips the

1022
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: league apart, because we've you've seen it happen before I

1023
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: would say real had they had no TIT production last year.

1024
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: I think Austin Hooper is going to have a huge

1025
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: year there. He has been their best player in camp,

1026
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: and I think that's gonna pull away from Landry and

1027
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 1: O b J. How about the trio of rookies Jerry Judy,

1028
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 1: Henry Rugg ceedee, lamb. You can only take one, they're

1029
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 1: all there for I'm taking Brian Edwards, so it doesn't matter.

1030
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: Give me Michael Pittman and all those guys too. Yeah,

1031
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: Brian Edwards, nobody's talking enough about him over Jerry Judy,

1032
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: both those guys. Yeah, how many? I mean, I appreciate that.

1033
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: I appreciate that Elway is trying to write all of

1034
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: the previous wrongs with giving Drew lock zero excuses this

1035
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: year in a million pass catchers, But like, what can

1036
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: we really predict his good volume? Like we know Courtland

1037
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: Sutton as good as what as good as what he does,

1038
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: but he's not particularly flashy. Noah fantais in the picture

1039
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: got Cage. There's just so much going on there that

1040
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that we're gonna see enough volume from

1041
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: him as precise and as much of a technician as

1042
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: he may be. I just don't think for fantasy purposes,

1043
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: not real life football purposes, he's going to be impactful,

1044
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 1: ceedee lamb amazing. But again, you know you've got Blake

1045
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 1: Darwin truth. There's chatting up his target volume. So there's

1046
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 1: like questions, questions there too. Henry Ruggs obviously, like if

1047
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: we're looking at the Raiders, Ruggs is obviously meant to

1048
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: be the superstar of that receiving corps, right, But Brian

1049
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: Edwards is the Brandon LaFell esque workman who can do

1050
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: the dirty work and let the dude on the other

1051
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: side of the field shine. That to me is the

1052
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 1: guy reports I can't by the way he's heading up over.

1053
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: He's beaten Tyrolle Williams Williams and now has another malady,

1054
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: another injury that he's gonna try to play through. That

1055
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: doesn't sound great. Derek Carr talking about how he is

1056
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 1: already gaining trusted Edwards Gruten talking about fast tracking rookies. Like,

1057
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Speaker 1: to me, Brian Edwards is going to be the real

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Speaker 1: fantasy story. Not the flash that's from the mermaid, that's

1059
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: from the prognosticating mermaid herself. She had got no feet,

1060
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Speaker 1: but she's got takes and the seats and all the

1061
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: other good stuff. All right, Liz, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: You're a marvel. You're great at your job. You're a

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Speaker 1: working mother, which I have endless respect for during this

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Speaker 1: time a pandemic. Thank you for everything. Before Liz gets

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Speaker 1: out of here, you gotta tell the story of how

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Speaker 1: we met. Oh sure, so all right, I mean it's

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Speaker 1: it's all very foggy, I have to admit. So about

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Speaker 1: we were flying home from the super Bowl from Miami

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Speaker 1: the day after the super Bowl. Everybody is like, haggard,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, I barely am clothed, like just

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Speaker 1: dragging my body into the row. And I sit down

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Speaker 1: and I recognize this woman and my producer, Jackie Pepper,

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Speaker 1: is sitting on the aisle seat like super free to

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Speaker 1: playes and so she needs the aisle and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to had two kids. I need to peel

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Speaker 1: all the time. But fine, So I sit down in

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Speaker 1: the middle Jackie Jackie, She's I'm sitting actual and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: this woman is so familiar. She's so familiar to me.

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Speaker 1: And then it clicks and I'm like, are you ricky Hollywood,

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Speaker 1: and she's like yeah and UM, and so we start

1081
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: chatting and I talk about, you know, I'm friends with West,

1082
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: and how Mark Sessler had been on a podcast back

1083
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Speaker 1: when I had my own indie podcast, the Exes and

1084
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Speaker 1: Wise Podcast, And then I do think at one point

1085
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: Jackie just keeps talking and Ricky is like talking, and

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm going to pass out, and I

1087
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: just say, you guys, I'm I'm done, Like I need

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Speaker 1: to close my eyes and I don't want to I

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Speaker 1: don't want to talk anymore. And I slumped over and

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Speaker 1: slept front the rest of the Yet. Yeah, all three

1091
00:54:53,640 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 1: of us tough, tough shape. That that flight back. If

1092
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: you want to see NFL reporters, media people at their

1093
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: very worst, look look how they are on Monday morning

1094
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: after the Super Bowl. That's that's always a takeaway, all right, list,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us, and again, follow

1096
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: Liz all season long for fantasy advice and life advice

1097
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: because she can give it out and she does it well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Liz, Thank you, thank you, Thanks Liz. We

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Speaker 1: got more royalty. He is the man that helped build

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Speaker 1: roadal World brick by brick with Rosenthal and West and

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Speaker 1: then he went out out in his own with Levitan,

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Speaker 1: establishing Established the Run, which is now one of the

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Speaker 1: great fantasy sites out there. He is the big fish,

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Speaker 1: Evan Silva, Welcome back to the podcast. This is like

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Speaker 1: our fifth year in a row that we're doing. This

1106
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: isn't we're getting old. I feel myself getting older, and

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Speaker 1: you're not as big anymore. It feels like you're you're trim,

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Speaker 1: you're looking in shape. I know you're not happy that

1109
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Speaker 1: Matthew Berry is coming on after you though, I'm gonna

1110
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Speaker 1: get some water. He was gonna be I thought he

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Speaker 1: was gonna be opening for me. I knew, I knew

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Speaker 1: that would be an issue. That's on Erica you can

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Speaker 1: discuss with her. Thanks. Thanks, all right, So Silva, you

1114
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Speaker 1: are you know, obviously you're turn your body into a

1115
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Speaker 1: shrine according to the video chat, but that does not

1116
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: stopped you from doing the work on the fantasy side

1117
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: of life and so much great stuff. Unestablished a Run

1118
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Speaker 1: could not recommend it enough. I'm a subscriber, so I

1119
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: know you initially hooked us up a little bit, but

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Speaker 1: I have since subscribed and I'm paying you for your content.

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00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: I just want you to know I appreciate it smartly. Alright,

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Speaker 1: So you have a couple of pieces um out you

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Speaker 1: have the your sleepers, an undervalued calm, you have um

1124
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Speaker 1: bus out there. Um, let's start with the sleepers and undervalued, though,

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Speaker 1: I mean we could go in so many directions. You

1126
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: have guys that you absolutely love, but I do love

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00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 1: where you start in your column at Will Fuller because

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Speaker 1: I thought you were maybe Evan I don't want to

1129
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: get you angry, but maybe overvaluing him. It's that always pretty, um,

1130
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Speaker 1: Will Fuller. Yes, the ceiling is high there with DeAndre

1131
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: Hopkins gun and his natural ability which is vast, but

1132
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: the guy has always hurt and I don't know if

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00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: you put enough into that, which is his injury issues

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00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: which are kind of a big deal. It put plenty

1135
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: into it, and so does the entire community. Because so

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00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: I think I'm a big believer that in the rounds

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00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: one through let's say four, that you should really be

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00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: incorporating downside of the player into your draft evaluation of

1139
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: the player, and you should be thinking about um, you know,

1140
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: risk reward once you start to get into rounds five, six, seven,

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00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: and will Fuller's ADP is in the six and seventh round.

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00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: Right now, I think you really start just hammering upside

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00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 1: and you concern yourself less with injury floor. Last year,

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00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: Allen Robinson, I thought was it was in a very

1145
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: similar situation. He was the number one by a cross

1146
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: fantasy formats that established the run, whether it be redrafted

1147
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: wrong league, whether it be dynasty leagues, be coming off

1148
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: a little bit of an injury laden UH first season

1149
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: with Chicago. The year before in Jacksonville, he didn't even

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00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: play at all. He played like what two snaps and

1151
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: then towards a c L people were worried about his

1152
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: quarterback situation. We crushed on that. Will Fuller has replaced

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00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: Allen Robinson as a number one by across formats. UM.

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Speaker 1: I understand the injury risk, but that is baked into

1155
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: his average draft position. We're pulling DeAndre Hopkins out of

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00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: the Texans offense. He averaged ten targets per game that

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00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: freeze up ten targets per game in an explosive passing

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00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: offense quarterback by Deshaun Watson. And one thing that I

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00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: like to bet on UH in fantasy and have had

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Speaker 1: a lot of success betting on over the years is

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00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: quarter established quarterback to pass catcher connections. Look at the

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00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: rest of the Texans pass catcher corps. Shaun Watson really

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00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: doesn't check down to r v's. They don't have a

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Speaker 1: target commander at tight end. Randall Cobb is knew what

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00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: we've got like ten padded practices. Randall Cobb is new,

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00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks is new. Kenny still has missed the start

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Speaker 1: of camp, and you know he was up and he's

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Speaker 1: gonna be the fourth receiver. I think will Fuller is

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Speaker 1: the only returning player who has a legitimate established report

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Speaker 1: with the Shawn Watson and therefore this year he's the

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Speaker 1: guy that I think we should all be betting on.

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Speaker 1: Plus those other guys have injury risk too, which can

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Speaker 1: open up the targets. I'm totally with that whole theory.

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Speaker 1: It's a great thing for fantasy people to think about,

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Speaker 1: because I do think in the middle eight rounds it's

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Speaker 1: almost like injuries are a little overrated. Injuries don't kill

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Speaker 1: you in fantasy. If you got eleven good games out

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00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: of Will Fuller, that wouldn't kill you, either like you

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00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: can survive or placing him during some weeks. Obviously you

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Speaker 1: want it to be nice timed up for the fantasy

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Speaker 1: playoffs or whatever. But people in the NFL, injuries kill you.

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Speaker 1: In fantasy, you can you can live without three games

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Speaker 1: of will Fuller if he winds up being as good

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01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: as Evan Silva's as he is. It's not as if

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Speaker 1: will Fuller, like if he's gonna miss a few games,

1186
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna take zeros in those weeks, You're gonna be

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Speaker 1: starting another player. You know. That's why we have, you know,

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Speaker 1: benches in fantasy football. I think that a lot of

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Speaker 1: people think that fantasy football is a race to try

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Speaker 1: to compile as many sixteen game players as possible or

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01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: avoid risk as much as possible. It's really a game

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Speaker 1: where you want to have guys who have spike week

1193
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: potentials to make up for guys that have duds in

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Speaker 1: certain weeks so that you know you can be winning

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Speaker 1: as many weeks as possible. We're trying to win weeks

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Speaker 1: in fantasy football. I got a little two part question

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Speaker 1: for you. Um. First of all, I mean I look

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Speaker 1: at the Dallas wide receiver crew, and I know you

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Speaker 1: mentioned Michael Gallup in your article two, how do you

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Speaker 1: kind of stack that and value that group? Uh? And

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Speaker 1: And secondly, let's just say, and I'm I'm back in

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Speaker 1: the scene here. I'm playing Fantasy this year for the

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Speaker 1: first time of you know, almost a decade or so. Um, well,

1204
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Speaker 1: you're playing to wait. I literally asked you twenty minutes

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Speaker 1: before that you were playing Fantasy. And you're like, I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure. She has changed my mind. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm learning a lot on the fly. Heres. But let's

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Speaker 1: say there was a two team league where it was

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Speaker 1: Evan Silva verse me, how does that go? And so

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Speaker 1: we got the Dallas question. I want to know what

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Speaker 1: happens one on one huge showdown Silva Sessler Fantasy World.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's focus on the first part of the question.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead. I have never played in the two team league,

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Speaker 1: and I can't even I mean, this is such a

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Speaker 1: classic Sessler question because I feel like there is some

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Speaker 1: intelligence behind it, but I just don't understand one thing

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Speaker 1: at all. Let's cut that. That's that's a nice job.

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Speaker 1: This is an ongoing theme of any time Silva and

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01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: Cessler have an interaction. Even almost has no idea at

1220
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 1: any time, but Marcus talking about it's real. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you want to talk about Michael Gallup, um let's

1222
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Speaker 1: talk about Michael Ballott. Okay, at Michael Pallop. I don't

1223
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Speaker 1: think people understand he was number six in the NFL

1224
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: and receiving yards per game last year. He missed two games.

1225
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Speaker 1: If you just plug in his two playoff games from

1226
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 1: the year prior and we just look at his last

1227
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Speaker 1: sixteen games period, he has seventy four catches for twelve

1228
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: forty four yards and seven touchdowns. That would have made

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Speaker 1: him twenty nineteens number overall, number seven overall wide receiver

1230
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Speaker 1: in PPR leagues. Um, he is being drafted as the

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01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: wide receiver thirty one in high stakes ADP. High Stakes

1232
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: ADP is supposed to be sharp. We have him as

1233
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Speaker 1: the wide receiver. I just like betting on the Dallas

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01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 1: offense in general this year. I love the continuity that

1235
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: they had the returning four or five offensive line starters.

1236
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 1: I like the approach that Mike McCarthy has taken and

1237
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 1: just sort of leaving the offense to Kellen Moore. They

1238
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: played faster under Kellen Moore. They threw the ball more

1239
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: aggressively under Kellen Moore. They have a really soft schedule.

1240
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Speaker 1: This year reminds me of that year. Was it two

1241
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: thousand and seventeen when they went with thirteen and three

1242
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: or twelve and four or whatever, and they you know,

1243
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 1: they exploded on offense. That was with Doc as a rookie.

1244
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: Now Doc is in what his his fourth year, And

1245
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,479
Speaker 1: I mean I think that this offense is they're gonna

1246
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: score a ton of touchdowns this year. So, I mean,

1247
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: Mary Cooper is undervalued in Michael Gallup is undervalued. Um

1248
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: and I think they're gonna be really they're pulling out

1249
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb and Jason Witten upping Blake Jarwin's usage. They're

1250
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 1: inserting uh ceedee lamb for Randall Cobb. I just they're

1251
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: gonna score a lot of tis. Like well, by the way, Sylvan,

1252
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: maybe you don't realize it, but you just did answer

1253
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: the first part of Selzler's question. He was just trying

1254
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: to figure out how do you shake out and make

1255
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: sense of the targets. That's in doubt. I thought we

1256
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: worked in We worked in concert there together very well. Yeah,

1257
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 1: that was Silver would write the floor with you. I mean,

1258
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: that's is that what you're looking for? I don't know,

1259
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: asking what you think would happen. I was asking what, Evan,

1260
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: I know you would pick Evan and most most thinking

1261
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: people would um. But you know, I mean, do you

1262
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: want like an independent to take on this? I feel

1263
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 1: like it would be a coin flip, a two team league.

1264
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: Both teams would be so absurdly stacked that it really

1265
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: doesn't matter the level of the players. I don't know,

1266
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm crazy. I I root for a team that's

1267
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: terrible and depressing down like injury luck. You know, yes,

1268
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 1: as it always does so on your sleepers list. As

1269
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 1: bad as the Jets look on paper right now and

1270
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: as bad as they looked in their scrimmage today, um

1271
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: over in Floren Park, you have three players to you

1272
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: that that stand out. Chris Herndon the tight end. A

1273
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 1: lot of people are talking about Herndon as a guy

1274
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 1: that bounces back strong after a lost twenty nineteen, but

1275
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: also Jamison Crowder is someone that jumps out to you

1276
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 1: as well as well as Richard Perriman, who came over

1277
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: from Tampa. Your thoughts on the Jets who are a

1278
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: depressed value? I assume in this world it's admittedly concerning

1279
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: to have three of the undervalued slash sleepers. Uh, you

1280
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: know they're They're only fifteen of them. So that's taken

1281
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: up with like of the list here on Jets, and

1282
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: that is scary, especially considering the history of skill position

1283
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 1: players being suffocated under Adam gaze and then all of

1284
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 1: a sudden exploding when they go to new opportunity. Careless

1285
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: by you. It's careless by yourself the ultimate. Um. But

1286
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: I think that these players are being undervalued because they

1287
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: are part of the Jets. I think the Jets are

1288
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 1: going to be playing from behind frequently this year. They

1289
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 1: just lost their best two defenders. They trade to Jamal Adams,

1290
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 1: they lost C. J. Moseley to an opt out. I

1291
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: think they're gonna struggle on defense a lot more than

1292
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,439
Speaker 1: they did last year. The player, the personnel just isn't

1293
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 1: gonna be as good. Um. Chris Herndon had an all

1294
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: time rookie year, especially for what a fifth round tight end.

1295
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: He had over five hundred yards, which I mean over

1296
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: the previous decade the uh, he had the tenth most

1297
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 1: yards of any rookie tight end. I mean, he he

1298
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 1: can play. His problem last year was he had the

1299
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 1: suspension and then he was injured. He's my favorite late

1300
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 1: round tight end this year, Um, I think he's gonna

1301
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: get a chance of like a hundred two hundred ten targets. Again,

1302
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: going back to the established report between quarterbacks and pass catchers,

1303
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 1: Jamison Crowder has you know, ah, you know locked in,

1304
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 1: I mean Hunter and twenty two targets last year dominated

1305
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 1: the targets from Sam Donald. Look at what they did

1306
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: on the outside. They changed out there. Both of their

1307
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: perimeter receivers, Denzel Mims can't get on the field. Brashant

1308
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: Perryman is now hurt. Brashide Perryman is also on the list.

1309
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 1: The list was made before he got hurt. But like

1310
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: I think Brascod Perriman is good. I think he's always

1311
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 1: been good. If you go back and look at the

1312
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 1: history of brashete Perryman, he has had horrible luck. Like

1313
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: his dad got sick. You know, Brett Perryman and excellent

1314
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 1: receiver in the NFL for a long time with the Allions.

1315
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: His dad got sick and that really he fell into

1316
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:04,959
Speaker 1: a depression. Um he struggled with like shin splints early

1317
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: in his career with the Ravens and a PCL injury

1318
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: that he just is a is a brutal injury for

1319
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. Harline was a lot to overcome. He

1320
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: was he was he was struggling with that, and then

1321
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 1: he got a shot in Cleveland and he got some

1322
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 1: opportunities and you really really flashed over. And one of

1323
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: the big things he got knocked for early in his

1324
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: career was dropped passes. Over the past two seasons with

1325
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 1: the Browns and the Bucks, he's got ninety four targets

1326
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 1: one drawing. And then if you look at what he

1327
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: did over the final five games of last year with

1328
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay when he got an abundance of opportunity because

1329
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 1: Chris Godwin and Mike Evans were both at banged up

1330
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: at the end of the season, he had eighty seven

1331
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: plus yards and or touchdown and each of the five

1332
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 1: games to finish last year. I think Brashod Perriman can

1333
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 1: play um. But this this knee swelling again he had

1334
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 1: the PCL injury a couple of years ago, is a

1335
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 1: little bit scary. So I would be a little bit

1336
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 1: less bullish on him after knowing of that. Do you

1337
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 1: do you have an earnest Wilford this year? You know,

1338
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 1: just the guy that Silva's banging the drum force so

1339
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: much that like the other people had established the run

1340
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: are almost talking about or maybe I don't know if

1341
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 1: that this is Levitan's world. Does Leverton ever step in

1342
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:24,560
Speaker 1: and like, are you sure you wanna drought? You know,

1343
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: putting Wilford in the top twenty, because you're representing not

1344
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 1: just yourself but our our money, Like our money is

1345
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 1: tied together. You are business partners. This is the establish

1346
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 1: you know, right right and because you know we we

1347
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: used to get into it. Sometimes Wilford stand out to me,

1348
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 1: you know, Wilford above Marvin Harrison, like in the middle

1349
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 1: of Harrison. There were a lot of times I had

1350
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 1: to sign off intanmester because I was gonna say something bad,

1351
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 1: you know. And so is there a player this year

1352
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 1: that you guys, um, that you guys are clashing on?

1353
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: It is probably Rob Gronkowski. First of all, Adam Levitan

1354
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:07,639
Speaker 1: is a major agist, and he lowered the ball, lowered

1355
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:09,759
Speaker 1: the bar on who is old so far he's starting

1356
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 1: to creep into like the late twenties. That means you're

1357
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:18,679
Speaker 1: old now. In his defense, one in May like really

1358
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:21,759
Speaker 1: just turned thirty one, Um, but I mean he looked

1359
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 1: Everyone would admit that. In two thousand and eighteen, Rob

1360
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: Gronkowski looked like a big Transformer robot who you know,

1361
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 1: couldn't move at all pre workout Silva, pre pre boxing,

1362
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 1: right right. So I mean, at the end of the day,

1363
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski, I think it's gonna come down just a lot,

1364
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 1: uh two touchdowns. I think he can score a lot

1365
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 1: of touchdowns. That's not always the best way to project

1366
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 1: and approach fantasy, but he's sort of in this tier

1367
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 1: with guys like Jared Cook and Austin Hooper, and I

1368
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 1: think he's gonna score more touchdowns than those guys. So um,

1369
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 1: that's kind of why he's being considered there. All right,

1370
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 1: let's let's swing negative. Now, let's get into some bus

1371
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 1: who who Who are some of the guys that are

1372
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 1: really on Silva's list of guys? Keep them away from

1373
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:15,560
Speaker 1: my team because I got a bad vibe. Well, a

1374
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 1: lot of people aren't gonna like to hear this, And

1375
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 1: I know that Rosenthal isn't gonna like to hear this

1376
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 1: because I know that he loves Josh Jacobs. But Josh

1377
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 1: Jacob's situation is worriedome, and like I I think that

1378
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,719
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs, like maybe already is a top five straight

1379
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 1: ball carrier rusher in the NFL, like in terms of

1380
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 1: a rushing talent. But in his first year he averaged

1381
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 1: two point one targets per game. That's not enough yet

1382
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 1: twenty catches in thirteen games. He only ran seven more

1383
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: pass routes than Jalen Richard, who the Raiders went and

1384
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 1: then resigned. And that was like one of the first

1385
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 1: moves of the off season. Hey, we got a lot

1386
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: of money. Two year, seven million. That's a decent amount

1387
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 1: of money for a running back in this day and age.

1388
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 1: They drafted Lynn Bowden, who played primarily wide receiver. He

1389
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 1: played some wildcat quarterback at Kentucky's, sort of like a

1390
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb player, but there they announced him as a

1391
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 1: running back on draft day. And then Mayock after the

1392
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 1: draft was like, we're playing this dude at running back, um,

1393
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 1: and he's a pass catcher. And then they went and

1394
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:18,560
Speaker 1: signed DeVante Booker and Theoretic and those guys might not

1395
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,599
Speaker 1: even make the team. But it's like indications that they're

1396
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 1: not going to give Josh Jacobs more receiving work. And

1397
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 1: I'm really worried about the Raiders playing from behind a

1398
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 1: lot this year. I think they're not a good team.

1399
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 1: I know they weren't happen in nine. They won a

1400
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 1: bunch of close games. Last year, they really fell off

1401
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 1: at the end. They were bottom five in point differential.

1402
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 1: They have a bottom five strength of schedule ac quarring

1403
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:46,719
Speaker 1: according to Warren Sharp's uh you know, Vegas win totals

1404
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 1: based s os and I mean you I'm just gonna

1405
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 1: read off their schedule after a week one. So in

1406
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 1: Week one they faced the Panthers, and I mean, we're

1407
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 1: gonna be playing Josh Jacobs in DFS because we're not

1408
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 1: going to get the play him for very long after that.

1409
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 1: Week two facing the Saints, maybe the most talented team

1410
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Week three at New England, good luck.

1411
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 1: Week four against the Bills. I think the Bills like

1412
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: might win eleven twelve games this year. Week five against

1413
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 1: the Chief's, good luck. Week six against the buck In

1414
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:19,680
Speaker 1: the years, they have a nine and a half game

1415
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:21,679
Speaker 1: win total. They have a lot of talent. They're gonna

1416
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: be well coached. Good luck at the Browns. I think

1417
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 1: the Browns are gonna be improved. At the Chargers. Charges

1418
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,799
Speaker 1: are gonna have a really good defense, really talented on defense.

1419
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,760
Speaker 1: Um then against the Broncos, Broncos are gonna have a

1420
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 1: good defense, and then against the Chiefs again, they're gonna

1421
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,639
Speaker 1: from behind a lot, and it might be jaylem Ard

1422
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 1: and or DeVante Booker and or theoretic out there quite

1423
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 1: a bit. Um And how you hated the Raiders. I

1424
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:51,600
Speaker 1: think that's even survived this new regime change. You just

1425
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 1: killing the Raiders on Twitter? How much I've been right

1426
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 1: about the Raiders? Do you mean how much I've been

1427
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 1: right about the Raiders? That's fair? But Raiders has paid

1428
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 1: off for a long time. Their offensive good, Their offense overachieved.

1429
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 1: The offense was I'm sure better than you projected last

1430
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 1: year by a good deal, right, I mean, there was

1431
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 1: a pretty good offense. Their offensive line was better than

1432
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 1: I expected. It came together well. I mean that was

1433
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: the first offense, good offensive line that Tom Cable has

1434
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 1: coached in like three decades. Nailing nailing Raiders failures kept

1435
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 1: the lights on that Silver mannor for years, Kevan, I

1436
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 1: got one for you, like, So, I know quarterbacks are

1437
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 1: totally devalued in this process at this point, but is

1438
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 1: there a quarterback out there that everyone is sort of

1439
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:37,879
Speaker 1: hot on? And you're just thinking, has anyone ever watched football.

1440
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 1: No on this guy. Well, um, I would say that

1441
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 1: it's probably Aaron Rodgers, and I wouldn't say that it's

1442
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 1: that people are super hot on him. But he still

1443
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 1: goes well above where he should in drafts because of

1444
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 1: big name value. Um, the Packers just have not set

1445
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 1: him up to succeed. They're not. I mean, let's just

1446
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 1: look at their draft. They drafted his replacement, the traded

1447
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 1: up for his replacement in the first round. In the

1448
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 1: second round, they drafted a big bulldozing running back. In

1449
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,599
Speaker 1: the third round, they drafted you know, Kyle the guy

1450
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:14,559
Speaker 1: that they are hoping becomes Kyle us check. Their number

1451
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 1: two receivers Alan Lazard, who I do think he could

1452
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 1: overachieve in fantasy, and Davante Adams is obviously a stud.

1453
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 1: But I mean they're they're throwing darts at Robert Tonyan

1454
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:27,640
Speaker 1: and Jay Sternberger at tight end, and you know they

1455
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 1: want to be a run first team and he's just

1456
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 1: not built up. He's not built for fantasy success. The

1457
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 1: Packers may be good again, but he is not built

1458
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 1: to be a productive fantasy quarterback this year. I know

1459
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 1: Silva doesn't really like respect my fantasy acumen. Anymore. Yeah,

1460
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 1: that hurts. Here we go, he started, Actually he's We've

1461
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 1: gone back and forth on Twitter a little. I'm I'm

1462
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,719
Speaker 1: past my prime, stand stand my lane. As if football

1463
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 1: and fantasy football are so different, who could somehow figure

1464
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 1: out the difference. Um. But but I'm trying to get bit.

1465
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 1: I'm I'm feeling I'm feeling weak here and I'm trying

1466
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:07,680
Speaker 1: to get back on his good side. So I hit

1467
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:09,719
Speaker 1: him up the other day because we we do agree

1468
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:13,560
Speaker 1: on a player. Um that people seem to love that

1469
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 1: that that I don't, and they're gonna love him even

1470
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 1: more Tariko. And after this David Montgomery injury on Wednesday,

1471
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 1: So I'm guessing even with Montgomery's sort of sidelines here,

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01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 1: Silva is not jumping on the tariko and bandwagon. Man,

1473
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:32,640
Speaker 1: I don't know this. When this happened, I was like,

1474
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 1: this is gonna let the the Tariko and truthers off

1475
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 1: the hook. You know, it's gonna bail him out. I

1476
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 1: have to move them up. I'm gonna have to move

1477
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 1: them up. Actually, probably still less than than within other

1478
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:46,680
Speaker 1: people who have him. I mean, if you look at

1479
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 1: right now his backfield competition, it's Ryan Noll who being

1480
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 1: a big time preseason DFS player. R I P and

1481
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:59,600
Speaker 1: Peace preseason DFS um like you sort of have to

1482
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:01,560
Speaker 1: love it day and I know because there's money to

1483
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 1: be made in the preseason. That's kind of sneaky. Best

1484
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 1: Ryan Reason a preciation game. But you have to talk yourself.

1485
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 1: And because if you watch him play, he's like, uh,

1486
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 1: he's like the biggest plotter you've ever seen. You know.

1487
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 1: That's the other that's the next time. It's confusing him

1488
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 1: and Craignaw. Do you remember Craignaw is already relating? Of course, man,

1489
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 1: of course. I mean, don't you think the Tarik Cohen

1490
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:32,599
Speaker 1: thing would happen by now? If it was gonna happen

1491
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 1: a few years? I'm with you, Yes, one more before

1492
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 1: we say goodbye, Evan all of a sudden it starts,

1493
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: you know, getting ten carries and seven targets a game

1494
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:44,560
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't matter if he's not very good. You know,

1495
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 1: he's he's gonna be one more bust before we say goodbye.

1496
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 1: One more bust. Okay, DeAndre Hopkins, I like it. He

1497
01:16:54,800 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 1: goes for big fishes. Interesting since thiss Adp right now

1498
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 1: is a top five wide receiver, we haven't been wide

1499
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 1: receiver fifteen and I think that, first of all, you

1500
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: have a like if you look back at the history

1501
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 1: of wide receivers that change teams during the offsee usually

1502
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 1: takes usually takes like a year for them to really

1503
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: grow into the offense. The perfect example last year was

1504
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham. Um DeAndre Hopkins has and a big reason

1505
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 1: for that is because the quarterback and the receiver have

1506
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 1: to get on the same page. Right. Has there ever

1507
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 1: been a worse off season for a quarterback and a

1508
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 1: receiver to get on the same page than this one. No.

1509
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:38,599
Speaker 1: Over the past five seasons, DeAndre Hopkins average a hundred

1510
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:41,679
Speaker 1: and sixty six targets per game, a hundred and sixty six.

1511
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:46,599
Speaker 1: His primary competition for targets during those years was Will Fuller,

1512
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 1: who we like but we also know was very often

1513
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 1: injured in a complimentary role player. Now he's going to Arizona,

1514
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 1: where he's got to deal with Larry Fitzgerald, Christian kirk

1515
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 1: Kenyan Drake was on pace for six catches in his

1516
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 1: eight games with the Cardinals last year. And if you

1517
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:06,919
Speaker 1: go back and look at the philosophy of Cliff Kingsbury,

1518
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 1: of Mike Leach, of this air rate attack, and I,

1519
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 1: you know, I try to post there's this video of

1520
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 1: Mike Leach talking about this, and I try to post

1521
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 1: it every year talking about what what What to Mike

1522
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 1: Leach is balance on offense. He says, um, A lot

1523
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 1: of coaches will say it's fifty run pass and he says,

1524
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 1: that's fift bullshit. It's equal distribution of the ball to

1525
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 1: your playmakers. Of course, guys that are more talented are

1526
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 1: gonna get the ball a little bit more than you know,

1527
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:42,839
Speaker 1: the fifth most the fifth most talented playmaker on the offense.

1528
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:46,519
Speaker 1: But it's you know, just distribution. It's not, you know,

1529
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 1: trying to establish the run um. It is trying to

1530
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 1: distribute the ball to the playmakers to make your offense

1531
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:57,560
Speaker 1: truly balanced. And I think that we're not going to

1532
01:18:57,640 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 1: see a hundred and sixty six target year out of

1533
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. I think it's gonna be more in the

1534
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 1: range of one thirty and he's already missing time with

1535
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 1: a hamstring injury at Cardinals camp. Swing your Sword, Baby,

1536
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:12,599
Speaker 1: great book, Mike Leach. I agree with Silva too much.

1537
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't like it. I'm totally

1538
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:19,600
Speaker 1: on board with that one. Well he he is the

1539
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 1: big fish. We reeled them in for another year. And

1540
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 1: you know what, it's so good of you to come

1541
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 1: on and help us out in this territory. No, West,

1542
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 1: it would have been nice to hear you mix it

1543
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 1: up with West a little bit. But uh, you know, Rosenthal,

1544
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 1: I was hoping you guys would start really taking verbal

1545
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 1: swings at each other. Didn't happen as much this year,

1546
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 1: but maybe next year. It's something to look forward to.

1547
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 1: Thanks so so much, uh guys for having me. And

1548
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 1: you know, Westling, if you're listening to this, man, I

1549
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:50,720
Speaker 1: think about you every day. And thanks again guys for

1550
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 1: having me on Silvus. It was like the really nasty

1551
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 1: stuff for texts, just like at one in the morning,

1552
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:58,800
Speaker 1: be like you remember what you said back in two

1553
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:09,679
Speaker 1: thousand and ten. All right, we've come to our final

1554
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 1: guest of the Around the NFL podcast extravaganza in the

1555
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 1: Fantasy Realm and it is one of the greats the

1556
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:20,680
Speaker 1: industry has ever seen. Matthew Berry of ESPN, thank you

1557
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:24,679
Speaker 1: for joining us on the show. My pleasure, guys, thanks

1558
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 1: for having me. I don't think I I don't think

1559
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:29,640
Speaker 1: I've ever done something with you, Barry, even though we

1560
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 1: crossed pass and we've kept in touch over the years.

1561
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 1: At Rhoda World for about two weeks, it was very

1562
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 1: It wasn't very long. You're you're embroiled in a in

1563
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 1: a feud with upper management ownership. But it's way back

1564
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 1: in two thousand and three when they're just weren't many

1565
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:52,680
Speaker 1: like full time jobs or people trying to make them

1566
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 1: into jobs in fantasy. Yeah, I was embroiled into a

1567
01:20:56,000 --> 01:21:00,160
Speaker 1: into a dispute with them because because they had uh.

1568
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:02,639
Speaker 1: I had worked for them for free for a long time,

1569
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 1: and eventually I'd worked my way up to making fifty

1570
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 1: bucks a column and I was writing two columns a week,

1571
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:11,320
Speaker 1: and I was making as a week, I was making

1572
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 1: a hundred dollars a week, or you know, or I

1573
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 1: guess four hundred dollars a month. And they came to

1574
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 1: me and they said, after four and a half years, Uh,

1575
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 1: they said, you know, hey, uh, we're having some issues financially.

1576
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:28,679
Speaker 1: This is before NBC bought them. We're having some issues financially.

1577
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 1: We'd like to uh cut your pay to a hundred

1578
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:39,560
Speaker 1: dollars a month. And and then I said, wait what

1579
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 1: And they go, oh, well, listen, no, no, no, you're

1580
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 1: like our highest red writer, Like you're the everyone else

1581
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 1: is getting zero. We're actually you know, they thought there

1582
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 1: was a big thing that they were they were still

1583
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 1: gonna pay me a hundred bucks a month, and I

1584
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I was just like, wait a minute,

1585
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 1: So after four and a half years of writing for

1586
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 1: you guys, you want to cut my pay by three

1587
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:04,519
Speaker 1: hundred percent? And they go and they go, well, when

1588
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 1: you say it that way, it sounds bad. I'm like,

1589
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 1: because it is. They were definitely like there was definitely

1590
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 1: a point maybe like a Christmas later when they were

1591
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:14,920
Speaker 1: playing when they were paying people with credit cards to

1592
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 1: try to get through the year, and you had kind

1593
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 1: of taken off that. I think there was kind of

1594
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 1: we we might have might have blown that one with Barry.

1595
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 1: Maybe that was a bad This is the clip we're

1596
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 1: gonna use for social By the way, just like hot

1597
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:30,879
Speaker 1: in about an hour, Your Loving Hate column is obviously

1598
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 1: one of the one of the most popular and most

1599
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:37,560
Speaker 1: read fantasy columns out there, and I thought it was

1600
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 1: something interesting that you said that Silva said earlier actually

1601
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 1: that you see a big advantage in this year with

1602
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 1: no preseason and just fourteen padded practice. You love the

1603
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 1: proven guys who are returning to a familiar set up

1604
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:55,760
Speaker 1: with uh familiar system, coaching personnel in the strange year

1605
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 1: of Corona. That seems especially important when you're putting together

1606
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 1: a team, does it? It does to me. Look, there's

1607
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:04,679
Speaker 1: gonna be so much that's unknown and untested and we've

1608
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:07,840
Speaker 1: never seen before in this upcoming season. So let's try

1609
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 1: to at least narrow down and get rid of the

1610
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 1: variables that we can. And so you know, look, it

1611
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:15,600
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you're gonna go crazy here, but for me,

1612
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 1: for example, like I DeAndre Hopkins at five. Deandrew Hopkins

1613
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 1: one of my favorite players in the NFL and obviously

1614
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 1: one of the best in the in the entire league.

1615
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 1: But when you have to nitpick at that elite level,

1616
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:29,640
Speaker 1: give me Michael Thomas with Sean Payton Andrew Brees, right,

1617
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 1: give me Davante Adams with Matt Lafleur and Aaron Rodgers.

1618
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 1: Give me Julio with Matt Ryan, you know, and and

1619
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 1: Dirk catter give me. Give me Tyreek Hill with Pat

1620
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:41,599
Speaker 1: Mahomes and Andy Reid. Give me those guys ahead of Hopkins.

1621
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 1: Who's going to obviously a new quarterback in a new system,

1622
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 1: you know, and isn't gonna have the time to develop

1623
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 1: the chemistry with Kyler Murray that the four guys I

1624
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 1: just mentioned already have and have had for years. I

1625
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting where you put Miles Sanders um

1626
01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 1: in the not love but the hate category. I'd love

1627
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 1: to hear about that. I'm also, um, still still kind

1628
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:06,439
Speaker 1: of awestruck by the fact that you were in Avengers.

1629
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 1: But we'll deal with that another time. You can start

1630
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 1: with Miles Sanders here. I appreciate that, Um, although I'd

1631
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 1: be more than happy to talk about Avengers Endgame because

1632
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, you're never sick of talking

1633
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 1: about that. All right. Uh well, because here's the thing, guys,

1634
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 1: I'll just say this really quickly because it's important for

1635
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:26,599
Speaker 1: me to say and just get this messogd out as

1636
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 1: much of they can. I've been in only one movie

1637
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 1: in my life, Avengers Endgame. I've only been in one movie.

1638
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:36,720
Speaker 1: I'm one movie. I'm a one movie. I'm in a scene, right,

1639
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 1: I have four lines. I'm a cast member, I'm in

1640
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 1: the credits, I'm in IMDb with it. I'm I'm a

1641
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 1: legit cast member of Avengers, and you got residual check

1642
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 1: coming in individual check. It was very generous. Better than yeah, may,

1643
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 1: it's better than World, better than Rhodor World, even at

1644
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 1: the high cotton days of Rhoda World. Um and uh,

1645
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:57,680
Speaker 1: the point is is that Avengers that so I've been

1646
01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 1: in one movie. I'm a one movie actor, and that movie,

1647
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 1: Avengers Endgame, is the highest grossing movie worldwide all time,

1648
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 1: more money than any movie ever in the history of

1649
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 1: cinema worldwide. And so on a per movie basis, I'm

1650
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 1: the highest grossing actor of all time. I mean, there

1651
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 1: are other actors out there that have more cumulative box

1652
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 1: office on a per movie basis. Like everyone's looking up

1653
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:28,760
Speaker 1: at me. I just it's weird that your phone isn't

1654
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:31,200
Speaker 1: ringing more for a movie too, or maybe you're just selective.

1655
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 1: You're waiting, You're waiting for the next one that could.

1656
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought it was impressive, Matthew that you

1657
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:41,599
Speaker 1: wrote one of the Crocodile Dundee sequels. But this one,

1658
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 1: this back to it just blows that one out of

1659
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 1: the water. My. I just imagine someone who has no

1660
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 1: knowledge of anything and they come on and they read

1661
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 1: my IMDb page, which is I think I have like

1662
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:53,720
Speaker 1: a couple different profiles there, but it's such a mass, like,

1663
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 1: wait a minute, this guy wrote Croc three, he was

1664
01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 1: in Avengers End Game and he's a fake football guy

1665
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 1: for ESPN, and you know he was also on One

1666
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 1: Life to Live because I did a two day thing

1667
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:10,640
Speaker 1: on One Life to Live as a uh, you know,

1668
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 1: as a synergy kind of thing, and like, right, I

1669
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:16,759
Speaker 1: have just the weirdest, have the weirdest most of credits.

1670
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:18,479
Speaker 1: I have a really weird resume, and I have a

1671
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 1: really I'm you know, probably the most insane IMDb page

1672
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 1: that makes no sense whatever whatsoever. Because I was also

1673
01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 1: a Hollywood writer, so I like, I have these writing

1674
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 1: credits of like shows that some people have never heard of.

1675
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 1: And anyway, so yeah, I had a very weird path

1676
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:37,599
Speaker 1: and a truly blessed career. Alright, So Miles Standers, let's

1677
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:39,680
Speaker 1: get to actual football here, Miles Sanders, So I want

1678
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 1: to clarify something here for your listeners that may not

1679
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 1: be aware of what love hate is. I don't hate

1680
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 1: the player, I hate the ADP. So love hate is

1681
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:51,639
Speaker 1: entirely about ESPN ADP. And I'll get in a plug

1682
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 1: to play ESPN dot com Fantasy Pole down app for free.

1683
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 1: Got to do that. But so you're not gonna get

1684
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 1: as many plugs as had him ranked it earlier. So

1685
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 1: it'll be fine. I'm I'm sure I won't. I'm sure

1686
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:06,719
Speaker 1: I won't, Marcus on two, right, So like you're double

1687
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 1: the NFL guys, right, So, and I'm sure I'm sure

1688
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 1: Evan was plugging his side as well, you know, left

1689
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 1: and right, So believe me. But you know, I listen

1690
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:20,680
Speaker 1: if anyone let him a run for his money in

1691
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 1: terms of plugs. But the Great Fantasy Game over at

1692
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 1: ESPN dot com. All right, So Miles Sanders, don't hate

1693
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 1: the player, great player, right or what I What I

1694
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 1: have a problem with this is ADP. I've seen he's

1695
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 1: currently going as running Back nine dot com, and I've

1696
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:41,960
Speaker 1: seen him go as high as running Back seven, And

1697
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:45,800
Speaker 1: you think, and it's all based on two things. Number one,

1698
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:48,280
Speaker 1: it's based on last year. There was a five game

1699
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 1: stretch at which point he was the guy. Weeks weeks

1700
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 1: like whatever eleven is, sixteen, I'm sorry leaks. Weeks twelve

1701
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 1: to sixteen, he was awesome, touches a game hundred seventy

1702
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:02,800
Speaker 1: yards from scrimmage, over twenty one Fantasy points per game,

1703
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:05,640
Speaker 1: and PPR top five Fantasy running back. I get it.

1704
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 1: He was awesome. He was also all they had. Like

1705
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:12,880
Speaker 1: the Eagles back then were so banged up that their

1706
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:16,639
Speaker 1: starting wide receiver was former a A F San Antonio

1707
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:20,720
Speaker 1: Commanders superstar Greg Ward. That's who they were rolling out there.

1708
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 1: I don't even know if he was a superstar for

1709
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:29,920
Speaker 1: them right right, anyway, the fact is is like they

1710
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:33,360
Speaker 1: just they didn't have anyone, right, I mean, so everyone

1711
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:35,759
Speaker 1: like talked about how Miles Sanders was like this amazing

1712
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 1: guy coming out of college, you know, better than Barkley

1713
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:40,080
Speaker 1: at Penn State and blah blah blah blah blah. But

1714
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 1: the fact is is that he couldn't beat out Jordan Howard.

1715
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 1: Before Jordan Howard got um, before Jordan Howard was injured,

1716
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 1: Miles Sanders was getting eleven touches a game. Okay. And

1717
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 1: by the way, Boston Scott from weeks fourteen on was

1718
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:00,720
Speaker 1: the seventh best running back in Fantasy last year. Again

1719
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 1: also a showing that they didn't have anyone, but also

1720
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 1: also because so so you're basing it on on a

1721
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 1: situation that. I don't think it's likely to repeat this year.

1722
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:14,320
Speaker 1: I believe the Eagles will have many more skilled players

1723
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:16,960
Speaker 1: healthy than they did when Myles Stands got all sorts

1724
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:20,760
Speaker 1: of rue and you're basically where he's being drafted. You're

1725
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 1: drafting him an RB seven, you're drafting at the end

1726
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 1: of the first round, top of the second, and you're

1727
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 1: doing that off of five games. Like it's a small

1728
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:32,479
Speaker 1: sample size, right, And so I mean, like my argument is, is, like, well, listen,

1729
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:35,160
Speaker 1: if we're going off of small sample sizes, why is

1730
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 1: it Austin Eckler going higher. Austin Ekeler for the four

1731
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 1: games that Melvin Gordon wasn't there like he will be

1732
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:43,200
Speaker 1: this year. In in in Los Angeles was the second

1733
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 1: best running back in Fantasy. He was only five points

1734
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:48,640
Speaker 1: worse than Christian McCaffrey over the first four games. But

1735
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 1: we're all ignoring Austin Ekeler made a little there buzz

1736
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 1: I like that because of Tyrod Taylor. What like, you're

1737
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 1: telling me that Anthony Lynn, former NFL running back Anthony Lynn,

1738
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 1: it is suddenly gonna go pass happy with Tyrod Taylor.

1739
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 1: You suddenly think Justin Jackson and Joshua Kelly are more

1740
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:08,840
Speaker 1: of a threat to Eckler's playing time than Melvin Gordon

1741
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:11,439
Speaker 1: was last year. By the way, once Melvin Gordon came back,

1742
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:13,400
Speaker 1: from the time Melvin Gordon came back in Week five

1743
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:15,280
Speaker 1: till the end of the year, Austin Ekeler was the

1744
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 1: fifth best running back in Fantasy. We're produced even when

1745
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon there. Okay, fine, so now you talk about like, well,

1746
01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:23,640
Speaker 1: people are like Doug Peterson has never had a guy

1747
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:28,639
Speaker 1: like Miles Sanders. Okay, maybe, okay maybe, but last year everyone,

1748
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 1: that's what everyone was saying about Bruce Arians and O J. Howard.

1749
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 1: O J. Howard's Bruce has doesn't used to tight end. Well, yes,

1750
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:36,759
Speaker 1: but he's never had a tight end like O J. Howard.

1751
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:40,000
Speaker 1: How did that work out? Like, here's the thing. I'm

1752
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:42,880
Speaker 1: just going off of what we've seen so far. I

1753
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:45,800
Speaker 1: hear you. Sanders maybe the most talented running back that

1754
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:49,320
Speaker 1: Doug Peterson has ever had. But Doug Peterson has been

1755
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:51,640
Speaker 1: the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles for sixty four

1756
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:55,760
Speaker 1: regular season games. Nine times, literally nine times in those

1757
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:58,720
Speaker 1: sixty four games has a single running back gotten more

1758
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 1: than twenty touches in a game. They've been winning those

1759
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 1: games too, that that's not a good Peterson is a

1760
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 1: former NFL quarterback, right who came up under Andy Reid. Like,

1761
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:10,720
Speaker 1: what does Doug Peterson want to do? He wants to throw.

1762
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:13,840
Speaker 1: He's gonna throw, like and I get it, Miles Sandon's

1763
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,040
Speaker 1: gonna involved the passing game. And I people aren't worried

1764
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:18,600
Speaker 1: about Boston Scott or Corey Clement and they, you know,

1765
01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:21,080
Speaker 1: they haven't. They haven't signed anyone, even though they kicked

1766
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:24,800
Speaker 1: the tires on on Devonte Freeman and Lashawn McCoy and

1767
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:26,760
Speaker 1: Carlos Hide, and you know they were rumored to be

1768
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:29,360
Speaker 1: in on. Some of these veterans that went elsewhere in

1769
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:31,800
Speaker 1: the case of Freeman are still on the street. But

1770
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know. For me, it's just really

1771
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 1: risky too draft a guy uh that high that we've

1772
01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:43,760
Speaker 1: seen literally five games of elite production from in a

1773
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:46,200
Speaker 1: situation that I don't think is likely to repeat this year,

1774
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:48,720
Speaker 1: which is that every other skill player they have is

1775
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:51,479
Speaker 1: injured except for like Zach Eartz, who is also still

1776
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:56,240
Speaker 1: banged up during that time frame. Let's let's that's my r.

1777
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 1: Miles Sanders is an RB two this year. Not an

1778
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:01,080
Speaker 1: RB one where he's being apted argument. I still have

1779
01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 1: at the top twenty guy, I still from the top

1780
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:05,439
Speaker 1: fifteen guy. I still think he's good. He's a running

1781
01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:07,439
Speaker 1: for running back four team for me. But the idea

1782
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:09,719
Speaker 1: that he's a top seven running back is is crazy

1783
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:12,799
Speaker 1: to me. Let's let's stay in the running back category

1784
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:15,519
Speaker 1: because I love your David Johnson theory. I love it.

1785
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't think of it that way, and

1786
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:20,960
Speaker 1: now I can't stop thinking about it. Because what Matthews

1787
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:25,040
Speaker 1: saying is that the nature of David Johnson's circumstances of

1788
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:28,599
Speaker 1: how he got to Houston will inform how he's used

1789
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:32,160
Speaker 1: with the Texans. That avalanche of criticism around the DeAndre

1790
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:35,800
Speaker 1: Hopkins trade can lead to a significant production bump in

1791
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 1: You're with the year one with the Texans because in part,

1792
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:41,519
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien, the head coach GM, doesn't want to look bad.

1793
01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:47,400
Speaker 1: I mean, Matthew, that to me is something that holds water.

1794
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:49,840
Speaker 1: And you have a past example I'd like you to

1795
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,280
Speaker 1: share of how that worked with another team in the

1796
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 1: not so recent past at running back. This is something

1797
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:58,200
Speaker 1: that I think gets overlooked a lot in fantasy football analysis.

1798
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:02,560
Speaker 1: Is that football players are humans. Head coach and general managers,

1799
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:06,560
Speaker 1: everyone around a football team is a human being with emotions,

1800
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:10,280
Speaker 1: with egos, with you know, with the faults like all

1801
01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:13,640
Speaker 1: of us right, And the other piece of it is

1802
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:19,680
Speaker 1: is that an NFL team is like many other organizations,

1803
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:23,960
Speaker 1: there are internal politics, okay, and so that is why

1804
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 1: sometimes you're like, why doesn't that guy get the run

1805
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:28,680
Speaker 1: when that veteran like it's you know, sometimes it's just

1806
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 1: like players run rub coaches the wrong way. One of

1807
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 1: the reasons why Frank Gore has lasted as long as

1808
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:38,760
Speaker 1: he has. People love Frank Gore. By all accounts, Frank

1809
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:41,800
Speaker 1: Gore is like the best teammate of all time. Like

1810
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:45,719
Speaker 1: they just love him so anyway, might to answer your question,

1811
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:49,280
Speaker 1: you think about the New York Giants and Sa Kwan Barkley.

1812
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:52,240
Speaker 1: They got so much criticism. Dave Gentleman got so much

1813
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:55,320
Speaker 1: criticism for passing on Sam Donald or Pasco, any sort

1814
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:58,880
Speaker 1: of quarterback and taking se Kwan at two overall they

1815
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:01,800
Speaker 1: needed Sa Kwan to Wark and I remember I had

1816
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 1: to stake one is a top five player overall that year,

1817
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:06,800
Speaker 1: and people were talking like, you're crazy, he's a rookie

1818
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:09,600
Speaker 1: running back that offens me awful. That offensive line is

1819
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:12,160
Speaker 1: one of the worst in the NFL, like they're gonna

1820
01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:15,000
Speaker 1: be so down blah blah blah blah. Obviously had a

1821
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:19,320
Speaker 1: monster rookie season fantasy wise, and it's because they were like,

1822
01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:21,960
Speaker 1: if nothing else goes right, s Kan is gonna work.

1823
01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:24,400
Speaker 1: We're gonna make you want to start. It obviously helps

1824
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:26,120
Speaker 1: that he's insanely talented. He's, you know, one of the

1825
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 1: best running backs in the NFL. But even on a

1826
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:31,080
Speaker 1: bad team, bad quarterback and it's a struggling offensive line,

1827
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:34,559
Speaker 1: they figured out ways to make sa Kwon Barkley a star.

1828
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:38,680
Speaker 1: And so to that point, yes, David Johnson, Like when

1829
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:41,719
Speaker 1: when you think about what the Texans did, the Texans

1830
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:44,240
Speaker 1: had a thousand yard rushian Carlos Hide last year. They

1831
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:46,720
Speaker 1: got production out of Duke Johnson, and they had one

1832
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:48,519
Speaker 1: of the best wide receivers in the in the game

1833
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:52,000
Speaker 1: and DeAndre Hopkins. And they not only traded DeAndre Hopkins

1834
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:56,320
Speaker 1: to Arizona, but they and took for David Johnson, but

1835
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:59,599
Speaker 1: they took on his contract. It's like you can't even

1836
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:01,640
Speaker 1: argue that well as a salary dump, Like we know

1837
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:04,360
Speaker 1: Hopkins wants a new deal and we don't want to

1838
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:08,280
Speaker 1: play him, and so like they took on David Johnson's contract.

1839
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:12,560
Speaker 1: So I yes, Bill O'Brien hurt. Here's all the criticism.

1840
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:15,040
Speaker 1: You trade a guy like DeAndre Hopkins, who is beloved

1841
01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:18,599
Speaker 1: in the community, who obviously is a fan favorite. David

1842
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:21,799
Speaker 1: Johnson needs to work. He's not gonna win any efficiency awards,

1843
01:35:22,240 --> 01:35:24,679
Speaker 1: but I think he is going to get as much

1844
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 1: volume as any running back in the NFL this year

1845
01:35:27,439 --> 01:35:31,080
Speaker 1: because they need to work like they And by the way,

1846
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:34,439
Speaker 1: just for whatever it's worth, this is very loosey goosey math,

1847
01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 1: but uh it's illustrative. Duke Johnson and Carlos Hide last year,

1848
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:41,720
Speaker 1: two running backs that I don't think are as good

1849
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:47,479
Speaker 1: as David Johnson combined last year, If you combine their production,

1850
01:35:48,280 --> 01:35:49,840
Speaker 1: they would have been that player would have been the

1851
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:53,960
Speaker 1: fifth best player in fist fifth best running back in Fantasy. Now,

1852
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:55,640
Speaker 1: I'm not saying David Johnson's gonna be the fifth best

1853
01:35:55,680 --> 01:35:57,720
Speaker 1: running back in fantasy, but I think he gets them.

1854
01:35:57,800 --> 01:35:59,600
Speaker 1: I think he gets all the Carlos Hide roll, and

1855
01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:01,680
Speaker 1: I think he gets a good chunk of the Duke

1856
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:04,680
Speaker 1: Johnson role. And you gotta be a good player though,

1857
01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:06,360
Speaker 1: gotta be a good player. I'm not sure he's good

1858
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:08,720
Speaker 1: at football, and at some point that's gonna show up.

1859
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:10,920
Speaker 1: I love a little Duke Johnson. At the at the

1860
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:12,800
Speaker 1: end of my draft, I do want to bring up

1861
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:15,040
Speaker 1: one last guy because I know you're a Washington football team,

1862
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:19,360
Speaker 1: and that's tough. There are many out there. There aren't

1863
01:36:19,400 --> 01:36:22,839
Speaker 1: that many that are kind of like many reasons especially

1864
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:26,760
Speaker 1: yes sir, yes, yes, And I know you probably haven't

1865
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:29,479
Speaker 1: had many that you've got to put on your love. Hey,

1866
01:36:29,640 --> 01:36:32,000
Speaker 1: I can't imagine over the years from Washington maybe a

1867
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:35,360
Speaker 1: little early Clinton portist who knows, but Terry McLaurin. I

1868
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:37,040
Speaker 1: think it's kind of getting slept on a little bit

1869
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:40,519
Speaker 1: as um, just a pure talent and what you know

1870
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:42,800
Speaker 1: and what you think he could be like there in

1871
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:46,519
Speaker 1: terms of when you just talked about feeding David Johnson

1872
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:48,599
Speaker 1: the ball, how much are they gonna feed Terry McLaurin

1873
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:51,840
Speaker 1: the ball? Yeah, I mean I think it's time, right.

1874
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:55,040
Speaker 1: I always say this fantasy success is pretty easy to determine.

1875
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:59,840
Speaker 1: I think it's a um, it's talent and opportunity. Right.

1876
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:03,360
Speaker 1: So to your point about David Johnson, I think massive opportunity.

1877
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:06,960
Speaker 1: We can argue about the talent um, but uh, he's

1878
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:09,000
Speaker 1: gonna have a massive opportunity Terry mclauren. I think we

1879
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:12,160
Speaker 1: all agree, both talent and opportunity. I talked to a

1880
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:15,720
Speaker 1: lot of the Washington coaching staff at the combine, and

1881
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:19,519
Speaker 1: you know, they're bringing over the Carolina offense in essence,

1882
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:23,360
Speaker 1: right Scott Turner, who was quarterbacks and then offense coordinator

1883
01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:25,960
Speaker 1: for for Carolina. Norv Turner's son, he's the new offensive

1884
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Speaker 1: coordinator of Washington, and the conversation was all about that

1885
01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:32,679
Speaker 1: they want Terry mclauren to be the d J Moore

1886
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:36,719
Speaker 1: in that offense. Remember Carolina Panthers were sent past attempts

1887
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:38,800
Speaker 1: last year. Now, some of that was their defense which

1888
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:40,559
Speaker 1: was brutal, and they got in these shootouts and they

1889
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:44,559
Speaker 1: got down big. But make no mistake, like Scott Turner,

1890
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:47,519
Speaker 1: son of NORV, is gonna throw like they're gonna throw,

1891
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:49,640
Speaker 1: And so who they throwing too? Were they're throwing to?

1892
01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:53,439
Speaker 1: Terry mcscoring from trying to float up the name, I

1893
01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:56,240
Speaker 1: don't I don't love this F one. I don't I

1894
01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:59,880
Speaker 1: don't love F one. I'm just saying d J Moore

1895
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:03,000
Speaker 1: had a hundred thirty five targets last year right in

1896
01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:07,200
Speaker 1: Carolina and had more competition for targets than I think

1897
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:11,040
Speaker 1: mclauren does this year in Washington and so and I

1898
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:14,639
Speaker 1: think the redskin I think I think Washington's team, Washington

1899
01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:18,479
Speaker 1: defense will be better than Carolinas was last year. Actually,

1900
01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 1: don't think they'll be terrible. I think they'll be kind

1901
01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:21,439
Speaker 1: of middle of the pack. I think they have a

1902
01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:24,519
Speaker 1: pretty good line. But still, here's the guy. Get this.

1903
01:38:25,120 --> 01:38:28,160
Speaker 1: Last year, Tera mclauren twelve are better among wide receivers

1904
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:31,719
Speaker 1: and catch percentage above expectation yards for target end zone targets.

1905
01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:34,200
Speaker 1: And by the way, that was in an offense last year,

1906
01:38:35,240 --> 01:38:38,400
Speaker 1: declan hide offense. Right, it was pass happy under Jay Gruden,

1907
01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:40,920
Speaker 1: and they fire him and then Bill Callahan takes over.

1908
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:42,760
Speaker 1: Then we're gonna going back to run first, so we're

1909
01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:44,760
Speaker 1: gonna establish the run. There you go, there's a plug

1910
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:48,000
Speaker 1: for Evan Silva. We're gonna I mean literally like that

1911
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:50,040
Speaker 1: was like that's what they were gonna do. And the

1912
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:52,640
Speaker 1: different quarterbacks are in and out, and you know they

1913
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:56,280
Speaker 1: Haskins is thrown behind a brutal offensive line and it's

1914
01:38:56,320 --> 01:39:00,840
Speaker 1: just it's a mess. And so I'm a Dwayne Haskins believer.

1915
01:39:01,439 --> 01:39:04,240
Speaker 1: I don't believe you throw fifty touchdowns at Ohio State

1916
01:39:04,360 --> 01:39:06,519
Speaker 1: and then suddenly forget how to play football. I think

1917
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:09,759
Speaker 1: it was an awful situation, uh, and an awful franchise

1918
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:12,280
Speaker 1: in transition last year that he was thrown into. And

1919
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:14,479
Speaker 1: I think at least they're trying to take, you know,

1920
01:39:14,920 --> 01:39:16,879
Speaker 1: at least as you know, at least on the football

1921
01:39:16,920 --> 01:39:19,559
Speaker 1: field under Ron Rivera, it's gonna be a much more

1922
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:22,760
Speaker 1: buttoned up organization. And uh, I'm not ready to throw

1923
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:24,960
Speaker 1: in the towel yet on Dwayne Haskins. And certainly I

1924
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:27,320
Speaker 1: expect him to look early and often for his former

1925
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:30,519
Speaker 1: college roommate, a teammate I should say, not roommates, but teammate.

1926
01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:33,760
Speaker 1: Before we say goodbye, Matthew, and thank you again for

1927
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:37,360
Speaker 1: joining us, just wanted to ask your take on Erica.

1928
01:39:37,439 --> 01:39:44,720
Speaker 1: Can you play the sound clip garden Minshew beer commercial

1929
01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:47,040
Speaker 1: where your name is cited? Did they have to get

1930
01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:51,120
Speaker 1: clearance to use that? They did not, And I was like,

1931
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:54,080
Speaker 1: it's so funny because his agent texted me like an

1932
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:58,120
Speaker 1: hour before that commercial came out, getting just heads up, gardener,

1933
01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:01,360
Speaker 1: gardener name drops you, and I'm like, oh, nice, Um,

1934
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:03,640
Speaker 1: what's he do. He's like, well, he's not happy with

1935
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:07,320
Speaker 1: his ranking. And I'm like, and by way, by the way,

1936
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:12,080
Speaker 1: like Garner on ESPN Garnerment Show seven, I'm s QB twenty.

1937
01:40:12,640 --> 01:40:15,400
Speaker 1: You mentioned my he's literally in my love list, like

1938
01:40:15,479 --> 01:40:17,679
Speaker 1: I have him. I have him as my QB sleeper

1939
01:40:17,720 --> 01:40:20,680
Speaker 1: and our Sleepers and Bus column. He's in my life. Well,

1940
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:22,720
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be on his hate list based on this,

1941
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:25,360
Speaker 1: but I'm actually giving love to Gardner Minshew. I think

1942
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:29,160
Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew has a really nice fantasy season here, guys. Um,

1943
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:31,439
Speaker 1: he wants to be a first round pick. I mean,

1944
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:33,960
Speaker 1: it's not like you love him that much. I'm not. Yes,

1945
01:40:34,280 --> 01:40:35,960
Speaker 1: I'm not, I'm not. I don't think he's a first

1946
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:38,360
Speaker 1: round pick, and I don't think he's I don't think

1947
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:40,960
Speaker 1: it's worth a case of beer for me to make

1948
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:43,240
Speaker 1: a round pick. It's a good time for you, though,

1949
01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:47,960
Speaker 1: You're getting some good pip, I reached. I retweeted the

1950
01:40:48,040 --> 01:40:50,240
Speaker 1: I retweeted that video and said, QB one, I thought

1951
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:53,519
Speaker 1: it was really funny. Um, And in fairness, it's a

1952
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:56,160
Speaker 1: pretty good question. Who the hell is Matthew Berry. It's a.

1953
01:40:56,720 --> 01:41:00,760
Speaker 1: It's a'stential question all the time, and I would just

1954
01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:04,880
Speaker 1: say my my final thought, and it's unsolicited advice for you, is,

1955
01:41:05,240 --> 01:41:09,120
Speaker 1: you know, litigation with Anaheizer Bush about character defamation maybe

1956
01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:11,800
Speaker 1: ends up being a nice path for you to set

1957
01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:15,920
Speaker 1: up your retirement Rhodor World money. Yeah, exactly. If there's

1958
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:19,280
Speaker 1: any lawyers out there listening, Uh yeah, yeah, if you

1959
01:41:19,320 --> 01:41:24,200
Speaker 1: think we got a case. Um, but uh, legit. Since

1960
01:41:24,240 --> 01:41:26,320
Speaker 1: this is a fantasy football podcast and I took up

1961
01:41:26,360 --> 01:41:28,280
Speaker 1: a minute and a half with Avengers Talk, I will

1962
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:30,840
Speaker 1: say that I actually think Gardner Minshew is a really

1963
01:41:30,920 --> 01:41:35,160
Speaker 1: nice fantasy sleeper. Like again, same thing. Uh, there's two things.

1964
01:41:35,200 --> 01:41:37,000
Speaker 1: Here's here's the thing. You know, we're talking about sort

1965
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:39,840
Speaker 1: of politics of a team, and like with the David

1966
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:42,200
Speaker 1: Johnson sake one thing. Here's another thing I don't think

1967
01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:45,360
Speaker 1: people understand. So Gardner Minshew last year, you know, he

1968
01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:47,240
Speaker 1: was a late run draft pick. He's just trying to

1969
01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:49,559
Speaker 1: find the field. Nick Foles gets signed to that big

1970
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:51,639
Speaker 1: deal all of a sudden, Minshew's in there like he's

1971
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:53,280
Speaker 1: he's still trying to figure out where he puts his

1972
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:56,880
Speaker 1: helmet like when he comes in practice. So but but

1973
01:41:56,960 --> 01:42:00,160
Speaker 1: there's difference, right, there's a difference. You know. Same thing

1974
01:42:00,160 --> 01:42:01,840
Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones is a big sleeper for me. Like

1975
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:04,200
Speaker 1: last year he had to come in and it's like Eli,

1976
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:06,320
Speaker 1: it's his living legend, blah blah blah. I just gotta

1977
01:42:06,320 --> 01:42:07,599
Speaker 1: stand in the back of the locker room and try

1978
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:10,400
Speaker 1: not to make noise. There's a different mindset that now

1979
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:12,880
Speaker 1: you've come into this year. The Jags have gotten rid

1980
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:18,720
Speaker 1: of Mick Foles. It is Gardner min Chow's team, and uh,

1981
01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:21,640
Speaker 1: they a brand new offense cornator, Jay Gruden. What does

1982
01:42:21,720 --> 01:42:23,759
Speaker 1: Jay like to do? He likes to throw. New quarterback

1983
01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:25,599
Speaker 1: coach Ben McAdoo. What has Ben like to do? Ben

1984
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:28,040
Speaker 1: likes to throw? And now you bringing Gardner Minshe for

1985
01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:29,599
Speaker 1: a team that we know is you're building that's gonna

1986
01:42:29,640 --> 01:42:32,559
Speaker 1: have a bad that's going to have a They're gonna

1987
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:36,439
Speaker 1: have a bad defense. And uh, think about what Jay

1988
01:42:36,479 --> 01:42:38,559
Speaker 1: Grumen has done in his career. If you think about

1989
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:40,960
Speaker 1: his time as the offense creator to the Bengals, or

1990
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:43,840
Speaker 1: is the head coach of Washington been eight full seasons.

1991
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:45,840
Speaker 1: Forget twenty nineteen when he got fired five games in.

1992
01:42:46,160 --> 01:42:49,080
Speaker 1: There's been eight full seasons. Three of those seasons. I'm

1993
01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:52,000
Speaker 1: gonna throw out first year, which is Andy Dalton's rookie year.

1994
01:42:52,160 --> 01:42:54,640
Speaker 1: Throw that out. His first year in Washington, which was

1995
01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:56,880
Speaker 1: the r G three got hurt Ear and Kirk Cousins,

1996
01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:58,479
Speaker 1: and there's back and forth, and he had to start

1997
01:42:58,520 --> 01:43:00,000
Speaker 1: Colp McCoy for a couple of games. He had three

1998
01:43:00,040 --> 01:43:04,760
Speaker 1: different quarterbacks that year. And then eighteen, which was when

1999
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:07,040
Speaker 1: he had that was the he had four quarterbacks that year.

2000
01:43:07,400 --> 01:43:09,600
Speaker 1: That was the Alex Smith got injured year. That was

2001
01:43:09,720 --> 01:43:13,120
Speaker 1: the UH he had played Colt McCoy, my current colleague

2002
01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:16,519
Speaker 1: Mark Sanchez, and a f superstar, Josh Johnson. He had

2003
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:18,720
Speaker 1: four quarterbacks that year. So I think it's fair to

2004
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:22,519
Speaker 1: throw those three years out. Every other year that Jay

2005
01:43:22,600 --> 01:43:25,040
Speaker 1: Gruden has been an offense creator or a head coach

2006
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:28,120
Speaker 1: in the NFL, he's had a top thirteen Fantasy quarterback.

2007
01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:31,080
Speaker 1: Those years that I just talked about, the five years

2008
01:43:31,120 --> 01:43:33,559
Speaker 1: that I just talked about, Andy Dalton, Kirk cut were

2009
01:43:33,560 --> 01:43:36,920
Speaker 1: all top thirteen all those years. And now he's got

2010
01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:39,840
Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew on a bad team. They've got some nice talent.

2011
01:43:40,160 --> 01:43:42,240
Speaker 1: I think DJ Shark is the real deal. You're hearing

2012
01:43:42,280 --> 01:43:45,080
Speaker 1: great buzz about Lavisa like I'm not. They got Chris

2013
01:43:45,160 --> 01:43:48,639
Speaker 1: Thompson out of the backfield, you know, D D. Westbrook.

2014
01:43:48,720 --> 01:43:51,160
Speaker 1: I think that that is that. I think Gardner Minshew

2015
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:53,439
Speaker 1: is going to be a real value this year for

2016
01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:57,000
Speaker 1: players that are in two quarterback league, super flex leagues,

2017
01:43:57,080 --> 01:44:00,640
Speaker 1: deeper leagues. I'm in on gardner Man, even though he

2018
01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:05,080
Speaker 1: doesn't know who the hell I am. All right, Matthew Berry,

2019
01:44:05,160 --> 01:44:07,320
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me around the NFL

2020
01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:10,439
Speaker 1: podcast Fantasy Extravaganza. You know where to find map but

2021
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:15,439
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2022
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Focus podcast. Wherever you're listening to

2023
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Speaker 1: You guys can drive, you know, and like, let's see

2034
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:53,680
Speaker 1: and and if you do, like, I'll pass it on

2035
01:44:53,800 --> 01:44:55,519
Speaker 1: to you guys as well. You know, I'll let you

2036
01:44:55,560 --> 01:44:58,240
Speaker 1: guys with the beak, you know. So that's very nice.

2037
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:02,120
Speaker 1: Thank you us, Thank you very much. Matthew Berry. There

2038
01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:07,240
Speaker 1: he goes, and that ladies and gentlemen puts a cap

2039
01:45:07,479 --> 01:45:16,000
Speaker 1: on the Yes Annual Fantasy Extravaganza. And we are so

2040
01:45:16,160 --> 01:45:20,880
Speaker 1: happy to um, so happy to do this every year

2041
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:24,840
Speaker 1: because I feel like we've helped people today. Boys, I

2042
01:45:24,920 --> 01:45:28,880
Speaker 1: think so. I think sometimes it's like you wonder what

2043
01:45:29,320 --> 01:45:31,640
Speaker 1: you know, just like Matthew Berry is wondering who is

2044
01:45:31,640 --> 01:45:34,560
Speaker 1: Matthew Berry? What is our purpose here as a podcast?

2045
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:36,800
Speaker 1: And I think you answered it, Dan, It's to help people.

2046
01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:40,240
Speaker 1: I mean, we we make a difference. I'm sure you've

2047
01:45:40,280 --> 01:45:43,920
Speaker 1: taken in their fantasy leagues, Ricky. I'm sure you've taken

2048
01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:48,040
Speaker 1: many notes as your fantasy draft approaches. Yeah. I mean

2049
01:45:48,080 --> 01:45:50,599
Speaker 1: I was only on the NFL's Fantasy League one show

2050
01:45:50,640 --> 01:45:52,559
Speaker 1: all last year, but no one seemed to care about

2051
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:54,639
Speaker 1: my opinion about any of this. But it's cool. I'm

2052
01:45:54,680 --> 01:45:58,000
Speaker 1: not offended or upset, so it's fine. Do you have

2053
01:45:58,439 --> 01:46:00,519
Speaker 1: before we sign off, do you have a player that

2054
01:46:01,120 --> 01:46:04,559
Speaker 1: come up? Now? I'm done after this four hour show,

2055
01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:07,760
Speaker 1: so I'm good. You guys got your info. Oh no,

2056
01:46:07,880 --> 01:46:09,800
Speaker 1: you're not done. You're just starting, Honey. You've got a

2057
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:12,400
Speaker 1: lot of work to do. I know this is this

2058
01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:17,800
Speaker 1: grew ugly alright, So there you go. Reminder, we have

2059
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:21,160
Speaker 1: two more shows of Around the NFL content coming your way.

2060
01:46:21,240 --> 01:46:24,720
Speaker 1: Friday will be the Rundown podcast that will get up

2061
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:28,160
Speaker 1: earlier than usual, so look for that in the afternoon.

2062
01:46:28,680 --> 01:46:31,439
Speaker 1: And then also Friday will be taping our Around the

2063
01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:35,600
Speaker 1: NFL broadcast, which airs digitally on NFL dot Com you

2064
01:46:35,680 --> 01:46:38,200
Speaker 1: can fund it on YouTube, and then at airs on

2065
01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:41,720
Speaker 1: NFL Network Saturday morning, So set your DVR if you

2066
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:43,880
Speaker 1: still have that, if you haven't cut the cord. I

2067
01:46:43,960 --> 01:46:46,000
Speaker 1: know it's happening a lot these I still got it.

2068
01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:48,439
Speaker 1: Keeping direct TV all these years is gonna pay off

2069
01:46:48,520 --> 01:46:55,280
Speaker 1: on Sundays this year now that we're stuck on Gugeorge. Alright, Mark, congratulations, First,

2070
01:46:55,439 --> 01:46:58,760
Speaker 1: Do you feel truly part of this now? Yeah? I

2071
01:46:58,840 --> 01:47:01,800
Speaker 1: think I think this view goal slash trumpet is playing

2072
01:47:01,880 --> 01:47:04,800
Speaker 1: for me at the moment, so I do big moment

2073
01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:07,200
Speaker 1: for you and I always love when you and Silva

2074
01:47:07,320 --> 01:47:11,759
Speaker 1: have a disconnect in conversation. Yeah, how that's not exactly

2075
01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:14,040
Speaker 1: like a star Sky and Hutch scenario. I don't think.

2076
01:47:14,160 --> 01:47:16,880
Speaker 1: So what did what did change between eight minutes before

2077
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:18,639
Speaker 1: the show when you told me not sure if I'm

2078
01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:21,639
Speaker 1: gonna play any fantasy leagues too, to twenty minutes into

2079
01:47:21,680 --> 01:47:23,920
Speaker 1: this show you're telling Silva like, oh, yeah, I'm signed

2080
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:27,040
Speaker 1: up for like Dynasty. You know, I know we're trying

2081
01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:28,280
Speaker 1: to get out of here. I'll say it real quick.

2082
01:47:28,280 --> 01:47:29,800
Speaker 1: I mentioned you Greg that I thought it might be

2083
01:47:29,880 --> 01:47:32,840
Speaker 1: good to play with my kids, and so um I thought,

2084
01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:34,320
Speaker 1: you know, as the show was going on and you're

2085
01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:35,840
Speaker 1: sort of thinking your own things in your head, Yeah,

2086
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:37,880
Speaker 1: that would be a good idea. So that's all fun

2087
01:47:39,200 --> 01:47:50,559
Speaker 1: out with the follow up question nobody wants alright when

2088
01:47:50,680 --> 01:47:53,839
Speaker 1: Erica starts, we know this one's getting cut for social

2089
01:47:54,439 --> 01:48:01,639
Speaker 1: shut up, all right, Dan Hanson signing off or quiet Storm,

2090
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Speaker 1: the old Boss, Ricky Hollywood, and all of our wonderful

2091
01:48:04,640 --> 01:48:10,040
Speaker 1: guests Adam Rank, Marcus Grant, Liz Lowe's Uh, Evan Silva,

2092
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Speaker 1: and Matthew Berry. Until Friday, Let's skip through a field

2093
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Speaker 1: and try not to get the plague