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Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: Here we go at tour two Rachel Nicol today and 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: for j Max, she's part of the team around all 10 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: the time, and she's gonna find out by the end 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: of the show. 12 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 3: I'm a lot more fun to work with than j Max. 13 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 3: That goes without saying, but she's ready. I'm taking shots 14 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 3: at him. Poor guys out with his kids in Vegas. 15 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: I'm taking shots at him. At the end of this hour, 16 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna have Rachel, who's got an NBA MVP boat 17 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: some thoughts. We're gonna go through the playoff series West 18 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: and eat there. I'm telling you something out East. Nobody 19 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: knows what to do with the Knicks. Fascinating team. We 20 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: like the players, Mike Brown and feel right Josh Hart Hindset. 21 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: Something's not right in chemistry. So there's a really and 22 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 1: you know the Spurs teams a bunch of kids. We've 23 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 1: never seen them in the playoffs, yet we think they're dominant. 24 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: So it's a really interesting NBA playoff and we'll get 25 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: to that. I got to talk about something. Dusty May 26 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: coaches Michigan. So I used to ask the question, would 27 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: you rather be an NFL coach or a college coach? 28 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: And the thing that always turned me off about college 29 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: coaching pre nil was this gross groveling to sixteen and 30 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,639 Speaker 1: seventeen year old kids in writing forty two letters a month, 31 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: like you're some gi sending mail back to loved ones. 32 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 3: It's like gross. 33 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: These are fifty six year old successful men and women 34 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: coaching college athletics and they're groveling to seventeen year olds. 35 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: They're putting in all this time, and seventy five percent 36 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: of the time they don't pick you. Now, the relationship 37 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: it's transactional. It's quid go pro. Here's what we can offer. 38 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: You want to be a Michigan Wolverine. You don't have 39 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: to have a thirteenth cold tub. You don't have to 40 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: spend money in an arms race for facilities. It's like 41 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: the real world. Here's what we can offer here's the 42 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: contract you interested. Dusty May talked about liking the new 43 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: world of recruiting. 44 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 4: We always thought those were pretty shallow reasons to choose 45 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 4: a university because a coach came to more six am workouts, 46 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 4: things like that. And now the players and each coach 47 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 4: may have a different opinion, but the players are choosing us. 48 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 4: We used to recruit guys for three years and spend 49 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 4: eighty hundred, two hundred man hours away from our families 50 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 4: begging these fifteen to eighteen year olds to come play 51 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 4: at our university, and then they decide to go to 52 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 4: another direction. And you just think of all the time 53 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 4: and resources you've wasted. And so recruiting has definitely been 54 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 4: streamlined and it's much more efficient. 55 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: You know, there's a saying in the business world, this 56 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: could have been an email, and that's sort of what 57 00:02:58,600 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: college recruiting has come. 58 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 3: This could have been just a check instead. 59 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: Of four hundred hours pursuing you at camps and high 60 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: school practices, groveling and begging. Another reason I like the NFL. 61 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: It's transactional. It's the real world with that. Daniel Jeremiah, 62 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: former scout in the NFL for multiple teams, is joining 63 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: us Live, NFL Network's lead analysts Scouting Combine in the draft. 64 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: All right, Buddy, first thing, I think you do something interesting. 65 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: You have a mock draft. But what you really have 66 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: that I lie. I always lov whing you do this. 67 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: You have your prospect rankings. So this is not about teams, 68 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: like who are the best players? And this goes to 69 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: something I've been hot on. So I think David Bailey 70 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: has now moved into the massively underrated player. I think 71 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: he's a plug and play guy. His ceiling may be 72 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: lower than a Micah Parsons or a Miles Garrett, but 73 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: day one he's an edge rusher. You have him ranked 74 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: above r bel Reese, who I'm told is superman but 75 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: doesn't really have a position. So you like him clearly. So, Mike, 76 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: question is when you talk to people in the league, 77 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: because I think you're right, But do people that number 78 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: two pick jets? Who are they taking? Which one of 79 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: those two are they taking? 80 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 5: Well that's where the draft starts. 81 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 6: And it's an interesting debate, Colin, because I go back 82 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 6: to just my Ravens training, which is in the first round. Like, hey, 83 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 6: Ozzie would always talk about a double off the wall, 84 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 6: will live with doubles off the wall all day long. 85 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 6: We don't need to take a wild swing. We can't 86 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 6: afford to miss in the first round. So with the 87 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 6: Bailey Reese debate, which I think is a fascinating one, 88 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 6: I think for twenty six, for sure, no question, it's Bailey, 89 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 6: and that's how I have them stacked up. But if 90 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 6: you're the Jets and everything's kind of pointing towards twenty seven, 91 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 6: where they have those three first round picks, and if 92 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 6: they want to take a swing on somebody that does 93 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 6: have more ceiling, more upside and they're not really going 94 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 6: to be a competitive team here in twenty six. 95 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 7: I could see them getting to Reese as their pick. 96 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 7: For me, personally, I would take Bailey. 97 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 6: I've seen him rush, He's polished, he's got a plan, 98 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 6: and I'm not sacrificing any of the athletic He's got 99 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 6: big time, big time juice. 100 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something, if Robert Sala and Tennessee 101 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: are lucky enough to get Bailey with a number four pick, 102 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: that Tennessee Titans draft room is going to be fist 103 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: pumping because he's going to be that Bosa for them. 104 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: Maybe he doesn't have that ceiling. But I think Bailey's 105 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: a great player. Okay, So Fernando Mendoz at his pro day, 106 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: first of all, it looks like he packed. 107 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 3: On fifteen pounds. I mean, he looked bigger. 108 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: He looked bigger in a T shirt and shorts than 109 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: he did in shoulder pads and thigh pads in the natty. 110 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: You talk to people around the league, what was the 111 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: interpretation of his pro day? 112 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, just you know, that was it the 113 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 6: first and foremost just how big he is and really 114 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 6: in the lower body, like his lower half is enormous. 115 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 6: He's two hundred and thirty eight pounds. He really cut 116 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 6: even his body fat down. He's just a real thick, 117 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 6: dense dude. So that was the first thing that you 118 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 6: noticed from the pro day. I don't know that. I 119 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 6: mean I refer to his pro day as some others 120 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 6: in the past. It's a proof of life pro day contents. 121 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 6: Let's hold up today's newspaper that you're facing, this is 122 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 6: the proper date, and you're still alive. That's pretty much 123 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 6: all he needed to do at that pro day. He 124 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 6: was more servicing the receivers, getting them what they needed. 125 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 6: But I mean, look, he's big, he's strong, he's powerful. 126 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 7: There was a long run up before he worked out, 127 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 7: so I was more curious as we. 128 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 5: Were covering it live. 129 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 6: Was just watching him interact with all of his teammates, 130 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 6: interact with coaches, interact with some of the other people 131 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 6: who were there on the sideline. You could tell he 132 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 6: does have, you know, as a personality that's endearing and 133 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 6: guys like being around him. That those are the types 134 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 6: of things you can pick up at Pro Day's more 135 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 6: so than just watching him throw a dig. 136 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: So I'm really interested on your rules. Ozzie Newsom was 137 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 1: just such a great general manager, and the great gms 138 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 1: I know have certain measurements and rules. So what would 139 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: Ozzy say about Rubin Bain, who was just a bulldozer 140 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 1: arguably the best player in the National Championship Game, was 141 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: great in any big spot. What would you say about 142 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: Ruben Bain, who's the arm measurements don't don't they're not 143 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: first round. What do you do with a player that 144 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: doesn't hit the measurables? 145 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 5: Well, I think the ravens in that organization. 146 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 6: You know, I haven't been there of gosh, now it's 147 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 6: coming up getting close to twenty years now since I've 148 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 6: been there, but things have stayed the same, which is 149 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 6: they they are able to capitalize off other people overthinking 150 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 6: this thing. They did it when Terrell Suggs didn't run fast, 151 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 6: even though he had a bazillion sacks coming out of 152 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 6: Arizona State. Ed Reid wasn't the biggest guy, wasn't the 153 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:25,679 Speaker 6: fastest guy. 154 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 5: In the world. 155 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 7: Ray Lewis, you know, wasn't a six foot three linebacker. 156 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 5: They just they're just great players. So well, you let 157 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 5: the rest of the league overthink this thing. 158 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 6: You watch him dominate really really good competition through a 159 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 6: deep run, especially when you get to the postseason. 160 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 5: That's the best college football has to offer. 161 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 6: There's a lot of NFL players he's going up against, 162 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 6: and he was dominant. So when you don't have some 163 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 6: of those traits, like there's Ponds, the little corner from 164 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 6: Indiana who's five eight, well he jumped forty three inches, 165 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 6: he ran four three, he's exceptional in these other areas. 166 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 6: You can't be below the line at everything. Colin, you 167 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 6: can't lack the you know, the athletics, this is a man, 168 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 6: the production. You got to have something going for you 169 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 6: and Bane clearly does. 170 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you brought up ed Reid, who's probably 171 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: the best safety I've ever seen. 172 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 3: People just think everybody loved him. 173 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: And I don't recall where exactly he got drafted, but 174 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: I remember there being people. I remember some of the 175 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: reviews where I don't know if he's this, this, this, 176 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: and then you watch him play he could have been 177 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: an offensive player. Every time he got an interception, you're like, oh, 178 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: he's a running back. So that in ray Lewis Again, 179 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: I've been in the same room with ray ray Is 180 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: not when he put pads on and when he growled 181 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 1: was different than the measurables. 182 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 3: So those are great points. 183 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 2: The player. 184 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 3: And I keep going back to some of these Ohio 185 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 3: State guys. 186 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: Last year, if you'd ask me the best college player 187 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: I saw, I think I would have said Jeremiah Smith 188 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: at Ohio State Caleb Downs two. Now I'm seeing mock 189 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 1: drafts where Caleb Downs is going twelve. 190 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 3: I'm like, what happened? Is there an injury I don't 191 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 3: know about. 192 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 1: I thought last year he got more love been this year, 193 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: and I would argue maybe that's because he had better 194 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: people in front of him making tackles and he was 195 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: less valuable, maybe because of sunny styles and rvel rees. 196 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 3: Is he as good as last year or is there 197 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 3: a regression? Why the drop in the draft? 198 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 6: I think everybody that I talked to at least views 199 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 6: him as a really, really good player. They just don't 200 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 6: put him, nor do I put him into the Derwin James, 201 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 6: Kyle Hamilton, and even going back to last year, and 202 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 6: Emon Uri fell unexplicably into the second round. But those 203 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 6: guys were just they were imposing figures who also had 204 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 6: the splash plays to go along with the rare height, 205 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 6: weight speed that they possessed. So those are kind of 206 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 6: like complete package players. Well, Derwin James didn't go in 207 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 6: the top ten, Kyle Hamilton didn't go in the top ten, 208 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 6: and even Warre went in the second round. 209 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 5: So I don't think. 210 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 7: It's like a reach to say that there's a possibility 211 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 7: he gets outside of the top ten. 212 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 5: Again. 213 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 7: Doesn't change In fact, I think he is a really 214 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 7: real the good football player. But when you look at 215 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 7: the position, some people, you know, don't place that position 216 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 7: as high value as they should my opinion, And then 217 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 7: you're talking about somebody who doesn't, you know, blow you 218 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 7: away with the zillion splash plays when you're watching that defense, which, 219 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 7: to be honest, Colin me probly the best collection of 220 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 7: talent on a defense in college football in the last decade. 221 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that. I could see the 222 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: Dolphins moving up. They have four threes. I could see 223 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: them saying, let's go get let's go get Carnell Tape 224 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: could I don't know why I think the Dolphins with 225 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 1: all those third round picks could move up. I think 226 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: the Giant should move back. The Tye Simpson stuff is 227 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: interesting because I was thinking the other day, Daniel, if 228 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: you like ty Simpson. So, going into this year, we 229 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: thought kid Klubnick was going to be this, and nus 230 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: Meyer was going to be this, and arch Manning was 231 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: going to be this and they and they weren't. And 232 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: so next year, everybody's telling me there's seven first round guys, 233 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: well half of them are not going to have as 234 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: good a years as we're projecting. So my take is, 235 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: if you're a team that thinks, listen, we like ty 236 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: Simpson and he's in the ballpark of blank, blank blank 237 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: next year, let's not get into a bidding war next 238 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: year for arch Manning. We may be able to get 239 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: this kid with a fifteenth or sixteenth pick, and you 240 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: get out of that, you know, because a lot of 241 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: times you have to make choices. You love this college quarterback, 242 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: but you give up draft capital. What are you hearing 243 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: on ty Simpson? I think he's I think he's you know, 244 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: the thirty third to forty one. But it's quarterback and 245 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: it's going to be you know, next year, Daniel, it's 246 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: going to be. I mean, you got six teams that 247 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: are it's bidding war time. Ty Simpson's not a bidding 248 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: war guy. Do you think he goes in the first. 249 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 6: I would say to me the team that I just 250 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,359 Speaker 6: keep coming back to his Arizona and whether that's Arizona 251 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 6: is patient and just waits for him and he falls 252 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 6: to him at thirty four, or whether they want to 253 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 6: come back in to the bottom of the first round 254 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 6: to guarantee that they have him in obviously pick up 255 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 6: the extra year in the contra if they do that 256 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 6: as well. 257 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 5: The Rams were the other team. 258 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 7: I would mention just because the connection there, there's a 259 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 7: relationship there with you know, with the general manager as 260 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 7: well as with the dad. They've known each other forever, 261 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 7: so there's a connection there. Obviously, don't know how long 262 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 7: Matt Stafford's going to play, but when you're a drop 263 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 7: punt away from, you. 264 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 5: Know, getting into a super Bowl potentially. 265 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 7: I have a hard time thinking that they're going to 266 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 7: take a backup player with a thirteenth pick, even if 267 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 7: it's at the most important position. 268 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 5: So I keep coming back to Arizona. Where do they 269 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 5: do it? 270 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 8: Now? 271 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 6: The thing I would argue Colin about I did not 272 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 6: have Clyde watch those guys over the summer. I'm not 273 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 6: club Nick and Nestmeyer. To me, we're not ever first 274 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 6: round caliber players. And I think what could hurt Tie 275 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 6: a little bit in this one is we only have 276 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 6: to go back two years. We had six quarterbacks still 277 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 6: in the first half of the first round, and you 278 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 6: know four of those so far, the returns have been excellent. 279 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 5: Off of four of those guys. 280 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 7: So I think there is and we'll see if it's misguided, 281 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 7: but there is a lot of hope and belief in 282 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 7: next year's group, just you haven't going to have more 283 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 7: options at that point in time. 284 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, let me just throw the Jalen Hurt story out there. 285 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: Rachel and I were talking about this last hour that nothing 286 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: gets out. I mean she's been reporting forever. Nothing gets 287 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: out unless people want it out. And the Jalen Hurt 288 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: story got out, and some supposition by us is that Philadelphia. 289 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 3: Wanted it out. 290 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: It's like, hey, Jalen, we're not taking all the arrows here. 291 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 3: If we struggle, the. 292 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: Coordinators are not the only one that are going to 293 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: get hammered here. Is that that Jalen Hurt story. There 294 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: were twelve sources. That's a lot of sources. What did 295 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: you make of it? 296 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 3: What do you hear? 297 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I read it. I thought it was interesting, 298 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 6: and I look, you're right. When there's that many people 299 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 6: that are talking, then there's you know, there's at least 300 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 6: a few people that want that to get out and 301 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 6: want this to become known and maybe apply a little 302 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 6: bit of pressure on Jalen. 303 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 5: My thing on the. 304 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 6: Eagles is pretty simple. They need to use his legs 305 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 6: a little bit more. Go back to when he was 306 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 6: running a little bit more. I know, you paid him 307 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 6: all this money now, but that's still what makes him, 308 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 6: you know, who he is. 309 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 5: Run him a little bit more. 310 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 7: And they've got to find reinforcements for the offensive line. 311 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 7: They've just broken down up front along the offensive line, 312 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 7: and when that group's not healthy and playing well, Saquon's 313 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 7: not rolling, it just changes that whole offense. So we're 314 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 7: getting ready to come up on the draft call, I'll 315 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 7: be very surprised if they don't double dip along the 316 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 7: offensive line, even if these guys aren't starting, you know, 317 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 7: right away, but just having some insurance they can't continue 318 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 7: to go down that path. And I will say, I 319 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 7: don't know that there's been a greater upgrade in the 320 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 7: history of sports television then for somehow Jack to go 321 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 7: play basketball somewhere and for you to get Rachel Nichols 322 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 7: to slide into that role. 323 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 6: I can't think of a time in history. It's the 324 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 6: greatest upgrade of all time. 325 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: I mean, sixth Man of the Year award. I literally 326 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: I go to the bench and it's like, that's a starter. 327 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 3: What am I doing here? 328 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 6: I love how j Mack framed it as he framed 329 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 6: it in some kind of vacation. 330 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 5: Is that what I'm hearing? He's playing in a men's 331 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 5: basketball league, Rachel. 332 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 6: He's playing in like Utah right now for like an 333 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 6: under sixty All Star team, is what he's doing. 334 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 9: I think intentionally took the week off that Jmac had 335 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 9: his like men's rec League tournament because he would not 336 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 9: stop talking about it on the show every hour. 337 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know how he props the phone up, guys, I. 338 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 6: Don't know how he's able to prop the phone up 339 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 6: and get that video. It's amazing. 340 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 3: Great seeing you Daniel as always. 341 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 5: All right, see you guys. 342 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 3: You know this is. I was thinking about this, Rachel. 343 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: So you you have to go to locker room still 344 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: you you are there before the game. 345 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 3: You are boots on the ground. 346 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 8: Yep. 347 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: And I did that for a long time and now 348 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: I just sit in a drink smoothies and sit in 349 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: the studio. So, but one of the things I always 350 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: thought was interesting is when and I'm genuinely curious about this. 351 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 3: So when I would occasionally. 352 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: Go and get you know, I was pursuing a story, 353 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: I would always like double down during a conversation, I would. 354 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 3: Say, can I go with that? 355 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, because ninety percent of the information I get when 356 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: I talked to GMS, I'm like, you know this is 357 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: I'll say this is off the record, Bob, Chris, Jim, 358 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: I just go and then sometimes they're so giving in 359 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: their information. I'm like, how is it okay? If I 360 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: kind of and they're like, you can do what you want. 361 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 9: Yeah. 362 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: So I always think when you because you're dealing with Lebron, 363 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: you're dealing with ownership. When you get a scoop, do 364 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: you ever have to ask can I go with this 365 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: or is it understood? 366 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 3: When you come with paper and pad, it counts. 367 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 9: I like to clarify, right, because those long you're talking about, 368 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 9: like your really long term relationships and people who really 369 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 9: tell you stuff, you want to make sure that you 370 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 9: maintain those. It's also what your role is, right, So 371 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 9: if you or I go and ask about a story, 372 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 9: now there's a big assumption that part of this is 373 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 9: just to help inform us to talk intelligently. 374 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 10: And educated on tell me about it. 375 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 9: Whereas if you're a beat reporter, which is what I 376 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 9: started out, as you're there with your notebook, the assumption 377 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 9: is you are there. 378 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 10: To quote them. 379 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 9: So it's a little bit like who you are, ask 380 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 9: who's asking too? 381 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 10: But I'm and you do this all the time, Colin. 382 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 9: A lot of people who do just sit in the 383 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 9: studio and drink smoothies. 384 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 10: Don't make phone calls. 385 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 9: And I just think it's very hard to talk about 386 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 9: all these guys and what's actually happening without talking to 387 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 9: these guys. And I think it's a credit to the 388 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 9: people who do it. 389 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 390 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: No, there's lots of guys. I bring Ryan Roscillo on 391 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: all the time. That's a guy that makes phone calls. 392 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: You obviously do, but it is. It is interesting because 393 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: sometimes you get such a gem. And I also know 394 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: that they don't want a lot of my sources would 395 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 1: rather talk to me than text it. Yes, they'll like, hey, 396 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,719 Speaker 1: call me in five minutes, and that usually tells me. 397 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 3: Tell you they don't want that on the text. 398 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: You know, good stuff, all right, Rachel's filling in Mick 399 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: cronin UCLA basketball coach last hour. You know he knows 400 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: these teams, He played these teams, and we'll talk about that. 401 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 3: It's the hurt. 402 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 2: One more Heard. 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But despite Caleb leading to 420 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 9: Bears to their first playoff win in fifteen years, Johnson 421 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 9: told the Chicago Sun Times William's development is just getting started. 422 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 10: He wants Caleb's completion rate to go way up. He's 423 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 10: also looking for Caleb. 424 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 9: To balance that like streetball, you know, offscript play thing 425 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 9: with a little bit more of staying in the pocket, 426 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 9: quick releases on script. 427 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 10: Kind of things. 428 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 9: I love this about Ben Johnson, right, you want a 429 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 9: guy who is holding everyone to the highest possible standard. 430 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 9: What's your standard for Caleb in year three? What do 431 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 9: you think he's gonna be. 432 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 3: I mean, it's funny. 433 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: The Bears have never had a great quarterback. And so 434 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 1: people in this town when I walk out, when I'm 435 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: outside during the football season, they're very protective of Caleb 436 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: Williams or like you guys are brutal. He's unbelievable. I'm like, 437 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: you do understand anything. I say, Ben Johnson's five times harder. 438 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 10: Yes. 439 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: And the truth is it's like golf, and you know, 440 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: even Tiger Woods in his prime. It's like, you need 441 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: a great coach. And I think think what was always Brady's. 442 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: Tom Brady's always a great comp here on how to 443 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: do it, which is Tom Brady after four Super Bowls 444 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: would go to Costa Rica with his wide receivers in 445 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: the offseason, constant repetition and mechanics. 446 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 3: So the good news for Kleb is if. 447 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: Ten is an amazing play and one is basic footwork, 448 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: we know that seven, eight, nine, ten, only Josh Allen 449 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: can do what he can do in the league. His 450 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: stuff to work on is stuff he can look at. 451 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: You can't make a guy bigger, you can't make a 452 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: guy faster. You can improve footwork, you know, you can 453 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: improve accuracy and so like the it's the best kind 454 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: of young quarterback. The stuff to work on is just 455 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: repetition makes you better stuff, not I wish you could 456 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: bench press more and throw it further like that stuff's done. 457 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: He's got a power arm, and I think, honestly even more. 458 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like he's a stronger Lamar or a 459 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: smaller Josh. He's off script. He's just a different ballgame. 460 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, Well, first of all, on behalf of Jim McMahon, 461 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 9: let me say, how dare you, sir? But also, look, 462 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 9: the completion percentage is really going to be a big 463 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 9: factor for Caleb. Ben has told him he wants him 464 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 9: to be at the seventy percent mark. Drake May was 465 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 9: at seventy two percent. Caleb this past season fifty eight percent, 466 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 9: ranked twenty second in the league there, So I think 467 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 9: that's going to be a big thing. 468 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 10: Ben alt the Sun Times he's. 469 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 9: Going to show Caleb one hundred plays where he could 470 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 9: have been more accurate, and that does not include wide 471 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 9: receiver drops. 472 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 10: So I think he's gonna be a fun summer for 473 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 10: those guys. And I love Williams. 474 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 9: I think he's going to be a lot of fun 475 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 9: to watch next season, so it'll be good, all right. 476 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 9: I want to stick to the NFC North. The Lions, 477 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 9: as we know, did not live up to expectations last year. 478 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 9: They lost Ben Johnson, they lost Aaron Glenn to head 479 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 9: coaching jobs, and they finished the year just nine to eight. 480 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 10: Just missed the playoffs. 481 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 9: So entering this season, Dan Campbell wants the team to 482 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 9: get back their edgy mindset. 483 00:21:58,720 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 10: This was a great sound. 484 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 12: Everybody wants talent. I all want talent, but it's always 485 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 12: nice to have a little bit of saltiness to you 486 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 12: over the talent that lacks saltiness, because that's kind of 487 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 12: what we were in twenty two, you know, that's a 488 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 12: little bit and part of twenty three. We had talent, 489 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 12: but we were all we had some salty guys, man, 490 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 12: and we were highly competitive and we were willing to 491 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 12: make it work, figure it out, and so just a 492 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 12: little bit of that edge back. 493 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 3: Well. Also, a lot of his guys have gotten paid. 494 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a part of it is that it's 495 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: like we just said about Oklahoma City, when you win 496 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: a championship, it's not that they don't care about the 497 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: regular season, but they pick five or six nights last night. 498 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 1: Being one of them is kind of a showcase to 499 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 1: make sure the Lakers know they're not in our satellite, right, 500 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: They're not. 501 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 3: In our sphere. 502 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, this team was young and 503 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: hungry and now Jamiir Gibbs us still young and hungry. 504 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,959 Speaker 3: But you know, a lot one of these guys. 505 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: You know, you get a few injuries, you make money 506 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: at families, So part of being salty is youth and 507 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: not winning, you know. So I know what he's saying, 508 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,959 Speaker 1: but I don't think I think the big issue Rachel 509 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 1: Ben Johnson is one of one. Yeah, And I think 510 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: when Atlanta lost Kyle Shanahan, the team the next year 511 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 1: wasn't the same. Sometimes you just have a great employee, 512 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: they leave, you can't replace them. 513 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 9: Yeah, I know would have been This is going to 514 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,959 Speaker 9: be a proven year for Dan Campbell, right, like how 515 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 9: much of this was him and how much of this 516 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 9: was you. I think there's maybe some complacency after you 517 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 9: do well, like the Lions players thought, oh we got here, 518 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 9: now we can just get here next. 519 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 10: Year without as much effort. Saltiness is one thing. Also, 520 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 10: I think they're gonna have one. 521 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 9: Of the easiest schedules in the NFL next season, so 522 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 9: got to help too, you know, be back at the 523 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 9: top of the NFC North, so we'll see what happens there. 524 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 9: I do want to get though, back to the NBA 525 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 9: for one thing, because we know that the Warriors were 526 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 9: going hard after Yannis right at the trade deadline. Now 527 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 9: we're learning from the Athletic Golden State was actually much 528 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 9: closer start of landing Kawhi Leonard Colin. They had a 529 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 9: framework of a deal set before LA ultimately pulled out. 530 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 10: But that trade could be revisited this summer. We know 531 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 10: the Jannis talks will probably pipe up again. 532 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 9: This summer, so I wanted to ask you who is 533 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 9: a better fit for Steph Curry, Janatakumpo or Kawhi Leonard Jannis. 534 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: I think Jannis still has three amazing years left. I've 535 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: always thought Kawhi uh a bit of an enigma, like 536 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: I don't know at four o'clock drive into the arena 537 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 1: if he's going to be there. Jannis does have more injuries. 538 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 1: I also think what Steph is great at Jannis isn't. 539 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: Jannis is not a perimeter player. He's a great rim defender, 540 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: and I think I think Stephan Yannis worked together. Janis 541 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: will do the outside and you know Steph outside Jannis inside. 542 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: Jannis does like the ball in his hands. But that's 543 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: okay because Steph is actually pretty good off ball. So 544 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: I mean to me, I don't know if they have 545 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: enough to get him, but that one sense. 546 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, look, Kawi is interesting, right, I mean 547 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 9: he does a lot of things. He's almost like a 548 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 9: Katie light version of what Katie was in twenty eighteen 549 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 9: and twenty nineteen. But Yiannis, to me, you're completely right. 550 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 9: I mean, just the inside outside game the two of 551 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 9: them could have. You could see Janis, who's already been 552 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 9: an MVP and NBA champion, ratchet his game up with 553 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 9: Steph because he's never had this kind of space to 554 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 9: attack the rim that Steph would give him. 555 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 10: So I love, I love the honest idea. 556 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 9: Still, I had a long one on one talk with 557 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 9: Giannis a couple. 558 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 10: Weeks ago when they were here in LA. 559 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 9: That situation is just getting dicier and dicier, and I'm 560 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 9: very interested to see what happens because the Warriors are 561 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 9: going to go after him again. 562 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 1: Hard Rachel with the news, Well that's the news, and 563 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: thanks for stopping by the herd line news. Okay, so 564 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: this is breaking. Tommy Lloyd, Arizona basketball coach, has agreed 565 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: to a five year deal with Arizona. He's staying he'll 566 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: make him one of the highest paid college basketball coaches. 567 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: They face Michigan Saturday tomorrow. They are staff very young. 568 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: He's a great recruiter. So I was told a week 569 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: ago that Michael Jordan called Tommy Lloyd Michael Jordan the 570 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: Carolina legend, And he was asked about that, and Tommy 571 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: Lloyd said, in regards to the Michael Jordan call, he said, 572 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: my Michael Jordan is Steve Kerr. So Steve Kerr, former 573 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 1: Arizona Wildcat, called on the university's behalf. Yeah, I've said 574 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 1: before I would if I was Tommy Lloyd, I think 575 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: you have a top three job. I would not leave 576 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: for Carolina. I think there's there's a regional truth. Tommy 577 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: Lloyd Arizona Gonzaga. He really knows like Denver West and 578 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot of great talent Denver West basketball. 579 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 3: Tommy has owned it and been part of it for years. 580 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: In fact, there's some that think Gonzaga slipped a little 581 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: bit in the last couple of years. True or not, 582 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: it would explain. I mean, if you lose your best assistant, 583 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: somebody as smart as Tommy Lloyd and that good recruiter, 584 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't benefit a program. He is fantastic. So I've 585 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: said this before. Don't chase money, chase management. There's a 586 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: sea of money for talented people. There's not a sea 587 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: of great athletic directors, relationships and boosters. Tucsons a wonderful 588 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: place to spend your career. Nice winners, a lot of 589 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 1: good golf, a lot of great people. Tommy knows the West. 590 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: Now I just didn't. I My take was stay at Arizona. 591 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: That's as good as you're gonna get. I mean, you 592 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: can't get a season ticket if you begged for it 593 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 1: down there there. Now does Carolina have more money, Yeah, 594 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: but you're you're not as familiar with the territory. You know, 595 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: You've got there's politics at Carolina. You go look at 596 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: the last twenty years. There's some politics. 597 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 3: At that school. You know, I think about it. You 598 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 3: got the Belichick situation. You walk in. 599 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 1: That thing could implode in the year in the athletic department. 600 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: You know, shrapnel from that. You know you don't know 601 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: how that's going to turn out out. So I think 602 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: Arizona is a great job. You know, I read a story. 603 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: It was about a year ago or two years ago. 604 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 1: Somebody wrote a story I don't know, maybe it was 605 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: The Atlantic or New York Times or Wall Street Journal 606 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: somebody that people aren't moving for jobs as much as 607 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: they used to, that we were very mobile. You know, 608 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: people used to have a job. You get the gold Watch, 609 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: you worked there thirty years, and there was a twenty 610 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: year period where we were just moving all over the place. 611 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: And now it's kind of reverted back to People like 612 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 1: the job they have, they like community, they like family, 613 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 1: and Arizona basketball that's just about as good as it gets. 614 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,719 Speaker 1: I mean, you could say, well, this one's got more 615 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: of this, and this one's got a bigger arena, and 616 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: not about not much about Arizona basketball. 617 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 3: You can do better. 618 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: That's when Nick Saban interviewed for the Texas job. 619 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 3: Remember that he lost to Auburn. And Nick interviewed for the. 620 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: Texas job, and I'm thinking, I've seen Alabama's facilities, and 621 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: Alabama didn't have the Texas money. But that was pre nil, 622 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,479 Speaker 1: pre nil. Bama is a better job than Texas. Post 623 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: in IL, Texas is a better job than Bama. But 624 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: there are certain jobs collegiately like Yukon. Yeah, I mean 625 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: Stor's Connecticut is not as cool as Chapel Hill. Yukon 626 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: cares about basketball and they do basketball really well. 627 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 2: You stay at Yukon, be sure to catch live editions 628 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 2: of The Herd Weekdays and Noone Eastern Non a em 629 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 2: Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 630 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: You know, I think it's so interesting when people nitpick 631 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza. I honestly think I don't understand people not 632 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: being incredibly high on Fernando Mendoza when I hear this, right, 633 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: not a great athlete. I don't want a dual threat quarterback. 634 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: I want a guy that's big, strong, accurate, and can 635 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: take a shot to the solar plexus. I mean, I 636 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: watched Fernando Mendoz against Ohio State and Miami gets smoked. 637 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 3: Blood pouring out of his mouth. Did not care. I don't. 638 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: Every time you get a dual threat quarterback, all anybody 639 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: says is he's gonna get hurt. I mean Lamar Jackson. 640 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: I've been defending Lamar Jackson for five years. 641 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 3: What do I hear? 642 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: The big complaint is he runs too much. So Fernando Mendoza, 643 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: we know he can run. Every time I show highlights 644 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: on from his season. I mean, you look him at 645 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: the Pro day. Dude, this isn't a T shirt and shorts. 646 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: He's a house. He is a six five, two hundred 647 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: and thirty eight pound house. You're gonna get whacked. The 648 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: Raiders have Colton Miller at left tackle coming off an injury. 649 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: They've got a pretty tyler. Lindenbaum's a great center. They 650 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: have a right guard. I like, we'll see, but they 651 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: didn't you know their offensive line right now outside of Landarbaum, 652 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: you don't know what it's gonna be. He's gonna and 653 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:53,959 Speaker 1: you're in a division with you know, Denver's pass rush, Spags, 654 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: Chargers got edge rushers Khalil Mack. He's gonna get bounced around. 655 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: I want a big, strong guy who who's accurate. I 656 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: think he checks every single box. I think it's much 657 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: tougher to be a great athlete and a quarterback because 658 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: if you're a great athlete like Josh Allen in a quarterback, 659 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: your entire high school and college career. You could just 660 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: take off and make plays, and you kind of become 661 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: predictably impatient. Fernando Menosa knows, I'm only running if I 662 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: have to. That's much. That's like Justin Herbert or c J. Stroud, 663 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: I'll run if I have to. Well, Lamar Jackson, I 664 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: mean Johnny Manziel, it was always easy to take off 665 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: and run. Fernando runs when he has to run. He's 666 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: not Jared Goffer. You you don't want him running, or 667 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: Matt Stafford. But all you have to do is watch 668 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: his highlights. Dude's got a big arm, he's accurate, he's tough. 669 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: There's nothing when you watch the film that says he's unathletic. 670 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: I mean half the time he's getting smoked. When he 671 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: lets go with the foot sore, there's I remember c J. Stroud, 672 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: people said, well, he just stands in the pocket. Then 673 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: he played at Ohio State. He played Georgia and he 674 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: was running around the field because it was his last 675 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: college game, and the coaches are like, okay, if you 676 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: get hurt, now you get hurt. 677 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 3: We got to win a Natty. And it's the same 678 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 3: thing with Justin Herbert. 679 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: They never ran him at Oregon until they played Wisconsin 680 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: in the rolls ball his last game, and they're like, okay, 681 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: run when you got to run, Everybody's like. 682 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 3: Oh C. J. 683 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: Stroud and Justin Herbert can run. Mendoza's fine against Miami. 684 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: When he had to run, he ran. So you know, 685 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: in the history of quarterbacks that win Super Bowls, if 686 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: I gave you these kind of terms or descriptions, tall, thick, 687 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: win from the pocket, can move if they have to, 688 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: well that's that's all the boxes I need. Seems to 689 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: be smart, grateful, humble, all. Just think about the stuff 690 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: that worries you about a quarterback immature seeing a few 691 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: of those no, little, all small, not an issue. Got 692 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: hurt a couple times in college. I mean, instead of 693 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: looking at his assets for any prospect, go look at 694 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: the stuff that doesn't age well college to pro we 695 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: know now size matters. Russell Wilson got a lot of 696 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: guys drafted, but Russell aged quickly. Jalen Hurts now Issues, 697 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: Tua Kyler, Murray Manziel. So let's look at the stuff 698 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: that doesn't work. 699 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 3: For sure. 700 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: You're small, you know you don't really you're kind of 701 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: scattershot with your accuracy. Like you can be accurate, and 702 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: then you even for Caleb Williams, who's a world class athlete, 703 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: sometimes he misses layups like a lot of them. Well 704 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: that's not an issue. So I mean, I just watched 705 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: that Pro day and I'm like, I know, it's a 706 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: pro day. That dude packed on fifteen pounds. Look at 707 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: how big he is. He is bigger now in shorts 708 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: and a T shirt than he was in uniform. Here's 709 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah was there broadcasting it live. 710 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 7: His lower half is enormous. He's two hundred and thirty 711 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 7: eight pounds. He really cut even his body fat down. 712 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,760 Speaker 7: He's just a real thick, dense dude. He's big, he's strong, 713 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 7: he's powerful. There was a long run up before he 714 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 7: worked out, so I was more curious as we were 715 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 7: covering it live. Was just watching him interact with all 716 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 7: of his teammates, interact with coaches, interact with some of 717 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 7: the other people who were there on the sideline. You 718 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 7: could tell he does have a you know, as a personality, 719 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 7: this endearing and guys like being around him. That those 720 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 7: are the types of things you can pick up at 721 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 7: pro days, more so than just watching him throw a dig. 722 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 3: For the record. 723 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 1: Who was the most valuable player in the NFL last year, 724 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: Matt Stafford. He did not rush for a single first 725 00:34:52,000 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 1: down the colin he's so great, he's Matt Stafford. The 726 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: assets of Mendoza are ball placement. Okay, so the one 727 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,280 Speaker 1: thing we all know he's great at. Even the critics 728 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: of mber like his ball placement's unbelievable. So I'm not 729 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: saying he's Matt Stafford, but his ball placement is the elite. 730 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: First day in the NFL, his ball placement will be elite. 731 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: So now Ty Simpson is the opposite. Okay, you say 732 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 1: what fails in the NFL. Well, one of the things 733 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: that fails for college guys or the pros they don't 734 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: have enough starts. Ty Simpson has fifteen starts the history 735 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: of the NFL. That's a whiff. It doesn't work. Also, 736 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: he's not huge size, average to below average size, not 737 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: a lot of college starts. So those are two total 738 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: red flags to me. I do think he's talented, and 739 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 1: I think if he goes to like the Rams or 740 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: even let's say Miami, Miami's not going to draft him 741 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: with their they have to rebuild their roster. But if 742 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,839 Speaker 1: he goes somewhere in your like he's not gonna play 743 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: for two years, then I think you can overcome the stars. 744 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 1: But Ty Simpson, you've got two major red flags. He 745 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: not really big, but a six to one guy. You 746 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 1: can call him six to two. People used to call 747 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 1: like Jalen Hurt six six one. 748 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 3: No he's not. No, he's not. 749 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: You can watch you can watch Ty Simpson with the 750 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 1: Alabama games. He's not a towering figure and he didn't 751 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: have a lot of college starts. Here's Daniel Jeremiah on 752 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:25,320 Speaker 1: the Bama quarterback. 753 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 7: I would say to me the team that I just 754 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 7: keep coming back to his Arizona and whether that's Arizona 755 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,320 Speaker 7: is patient and just waits for him and he falls 756 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 7: to him at thirty four, or whether they want to 757 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,439 Speaker 7: come back in to the bottom of the first round 758 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 7: to guarantee that they have him and obviously pick up 759 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 7: the extra year in the contract. I think what could 760 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 7: hurt Tie a little bit in this one is we 761 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,839 Speaker 7: only have to go back two years. We had six 762 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 7: quarterbacks go in the first half of the first round, 763 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,280 Speaker 7: and you know four of those so far, the returns 764 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 7: have been excellent. 765 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, most of the first round quarterbacks. It seems like 766 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: in recent years have delivered. I mean, go back to 767 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: Caleb yes, Jaden yes, Bo Yes, Drake yes, Pennix. We'll 768 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: see JJ McCarthy up in the air, all right. Tommy 769 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 1: Lloyd is staying at the University of Arizona. I think 770 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,760 Speaker 1: it's the right call. I think it's a great school. 771 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,280 Speaker 1: I think he's a great coach. I think he's His recruiting, 772 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: like Dallas Denver West, is exceptional. And here he is 773 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: talking about the mj phone call. 774 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 8: It's an honor to even be you know, considered for 775 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,439 Speaker 8: that job. And you know, you know, the young kid 776 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 8: for me, the college basketball junkie watching those games at home, 777 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 8: you know, never would have thought something like that could 778 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 8: have happened to somebody like me. So did their North 779 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 8: Carolina is the first class organization and and and I 780 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 8: appreciate them for the way they've handled this. You know, uh, 781 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,320 Speaker 8: you know, Michael Jordan, the phone call never did happens. 782 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 8: It's amazing that you know, that opportunity was even you know, 783 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 8: thought could be possible. You know, With that being said, though, 784 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 8: I made a decision that you know, you know, my 785 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 8: Mike Jordan, Steve Kerr. 786 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, the uh now, he says, the MJ call did 787 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 3: not happen. I think. 788 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: The college landscape now is so much different than like 789 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 1: four years ago. I mean, it's so much different, and 790 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,319 Speaker 1: there's so many moving parts. I think it would be 791 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: asking a lot to take another high profile job. Like 792 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: there's just this nil thing. It's so complex. The transfer portal. 793 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,319 Speaker 1: I mean I've talked to multiple college coaches on the 794 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 1: air and off the air on this. I mean this, 795 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: this transfer portal European recruiting. If you can get to 796 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,720 Speaker 1: a good program, you've got so many moving parts, stay 797 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: put and build it. Because and the other thing is 798 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: the Big ten is so great? Is that you know, 799 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: I just kind of look at where Arizona is in 800 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 1: the Big twelve. There's an argument it's the second best 801 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 1: college basketball conference. He's arguably the best West Coast recruiter. 802 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: I just don't see the point of leaving. And listen, 803 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: I've somebody, you know, I'm pro lebron on mobility. I've 804 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,439 Speaker 1: moved more than a couple of times, but I can 805 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,399 Speaker 1: say with all the moves, don't move for money, move 806 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: for management, move for location. Arizona's about as good as 807 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: you could do at the college level. I don't know 808 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 1: how much money they have. There's a lot of retirees 809 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: down there that have money. I'm sure they do fine. 810 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: If you look at college basketball this season, Arizona was 811 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: thirty six and two, and there is something to be 812 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: said about winning games. You know, people have asked me, 813 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,359 Speaker 1: I know, Mark, few, you think few, we would ever leave? 814 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,839 Speaker 1: And my take is, if I can guarantee thirty two 815 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,759 Speaker 1: wins a year, it doesn't matter what conference you're and 816 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,319 Speaker 1: he's going to get into the tournament Spokane. He can 817 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,800 Speaker 1: mountain bike around his house. Nobody, Bob, there's the media 818 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: is small, They're not you know, Philadelphia relentless. 819 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:04,439 Speaker 3: Why would you leave? 820 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: It's there are certain times in college like in college football, 821 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 1: you know, Ohio State is just going to tilt the 822 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: table in your favor. And even in the Big Ten 823 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: outside of Phil Knight's money and they're up in Oregon, 824 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:27,839 Speaker 1: they're at Ohio State has a geographical financial passion advantage 825 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 1: over a lot of schools. And I don't know. I 826 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 1: mean because remember in college football, the roster is eighty 827 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 1: five players, so it's a volume play. You need to 828 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 1: get three great left tackles. Of class college basketball. If 829 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 1: you can convince three kids that Arizona's the best fit 830 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 1: for them, that's three guys a year. 831 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 3: You know there's some in Arizona. 832 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 1: You may have a little more turnover because you get 833 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 1: five star guys college football, you're talking your recruiting classes, 834 00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:01,240 Speaker 1: twenty seven, twenty six guys. That is a volumes college basketball. 835 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,319 Speaker 1: You get to a great place, got to get three 836 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:07,359 Speaker 1: guys a year. Since twenty ten, Arizona has the fourth 837 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 1: most wins in college basketball, more than Carolina or Kentucky. Yeah, 838 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: so there you go. That's a great school. And Steve 839 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 1: Kirmain called apparently not Michael Jordan, So Mick Crotin's gonna 840 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 1: stop by. I think I like Michigan over Arizona. One 841 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,240 Speaker 1: of the things about college basketball that's pretty clear. Size 842 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,720 Speaker 1: changes everything. Illinois's big, Michigan's a really really big Yukon 843 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 1: got size. 844 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:34,879 Speaker 3: You saw it all. 845 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,839 Speaker 1: Through the Big Ten this year. Big mattered more than 846 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 1: quickness and guard play. I mean, Arizona may have had 847 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: the best Arkansas may have had the best guard. He 848 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 1: just couldn't stop the size of teams they played.