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Speaker 1: A push. What you coming by? Man?

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, man.

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Speaker 1: So here's what I say about you, because you've done

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Speaker 1: my show on Nashville before. We've bumped into each other

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Speaker 1: there are two people that in my career have always

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Speaker 1: we were just brief, and it's you and Tim Tebow

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Speaker 1: really the nicest people and not nice like fake nice,

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Speaker 1: like it's like people like, who are the nicest people

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Speaker 1: to you? It's like randomly Tim Tebow and Derek Cuff.

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Speaker 1: So you're that, oh dude, thanks you. So when you

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Speaker 1: said you would come over and do this, I was

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Speaker 2: That means a lot, Man, That means thanks so much.

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Speaker 2: I'm that's a good company too. Have you ever met

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Speaker 2: Tim Tebow briefly?

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Speaker 1: Brief it's probably like in a mirror and you're like

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Speaker 1: he's an awesome guy. So I just wanted to start

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Speaker 2: No, that makes that means a lot to me, man,

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Speaker 2: because obviously, uh, you know, there's you never know, you know,

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Speaker 2: sometimes you're in passing and you say hi to some

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Speaker 2: And so I'm glad that, you know, that was the impression.

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Speaker 1: How's the baby, the baby?

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Speaker 2: How's the baby? She is so good, she really is.

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Speaker 2: And I feel so lucky because you know, you hear

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Speaker 2: she's sleeping and we're arresting. And but there's big adjustments,

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Speaker 2: of course, you know, in your life, it's everything changes,

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Speaker 2: but for the better.

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Speaker 1: And I'm askingselfishly, we're about to have our first kid.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about that.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's nothing to tell you because it's still

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Speaker 1: what what's my expectation?

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Speaker 2: What's that's no expectation, That's that's the most important part.

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Speaker 2: And now here's the thing. There's you know that great expression, right,

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Speaker 2: just like trade your expectation for appreciation and everything changes.

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Speaker 2: That's for everything, right, relationships and like you know, situation events, people, parents,

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Speaker 2: loved ones. If we always have these expectations about how

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Speaker 1: completely different for everyone. But there is this societal attachment

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Speaker 1: that's what we just talked about. Yeah, it's so true.

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Speaker 1: Uh. Okay. So the first questions that I have for you,

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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny, I actually went to I wanted

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Speaker 2: That was actually before. Honestly, in my house we would

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Speaker 1: You talk about being bullied, but when you go to dance,

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent? Yeah, it was like, well, one, I

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Speaker 2: And I was like, am I cool? You know, and okay,

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Speaker 1: Some people wonder if the pros are competitive and winning

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Speaker 1: or if they're just there to make their money.

431
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Speaker 2: Competitive competitive very cool and actually in the earlier seasons,

432
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 2: even more competitive, I would say, because I feel like

433
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,800
Speaker 2: we came out of man what I said we, I mean,

434
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 2: like the pros, we're kind of plucked out of the

435
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 2: Latin ballroom competitive world. So we were competitors and we

436
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 2: didn't come from like, you know, dance studios where it

437
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,679
Speaker 2: was like this camaraderie of like supporting your fellow dancers

438
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 2: and classmates. We were soloists. I mean, you know, part

439
00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 2: we had partners, but it was like we were against

440
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,160
Speaker 2: everybody else. And that mindset is like I'm against you,

441
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 2: I'm against everybody was instilled in us. So we were very,

442
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 2: very very competitive, and you see it. You see it

443
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:13,440
Speaker 2: a lot, honestly in the earlier seasons openly, you know

444
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 2: what I mean. And so if you can see some

445
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 2: of that openly, you can only imagine what was going

446
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 2: on behind the scenes. But it made it fun, It

447
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:24,399
Speaker 2: made it really like intense. It's definitely calmed down a

448
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,159
Speaker 2: lot now, you know, because now there's tours and now

449
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 2: the dancers there's a lot more like camaraderie and a

450
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 2: lot it's more more family orientated, I feel like. And

451
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Speaker 2: a lot of these dancers they grew up watching the show.

452
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 2: They grew up watching and being like I would love

453
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 2: to be on the show one day, and now they're

454
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 2: there and now like, oh my gosh, like because they're

455
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 2: in a state of gratitude, like they're in a place

456
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:43,920
Speaker 2: like this is awesome. I'm so happy to be here,

457
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 2: which is great. But with that said, there's definitely competitiveness.

458
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. For sure.

459
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Speaker 1: Whenever you finished your run as a dancer, did you

460
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Speaker 1: have the thought that you would come back into a

461
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Speaker 1: capacity at all?

462
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Speaker 2: When I finished the runners the Master, Yeah, by the way,

463
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,439
Speaker 2: you asked me if I until it wasn't. I remember

464
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 2: the last my last season, there was like a moment.

465
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 2: I remember just being like, oh, yeah, I don't have

466
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 2: that same thing anymore where I'm like, you know, it

467
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 2: kind of went away, and it was kind of a

468
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,919
Speaker 2: good moment for me to like walk away, you know,

469
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 2: and do a different project and then miss it. You know,

470
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 2: I really missed it.

471
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:27,400
Speaker 1: I like love.

472
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, this show really is special. I

473
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 2: love this show and then come back into different capacity,

474
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 2: you know, I feel so fortunate if I'm so lucky

475
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 2: and and have to have been a part of that

476
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 2: show for so long, it's been really special. Yeah.

477
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Speaker 1: I really liked off camera Lynn and they don't encourage

478
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Speaker 1: camaraderie between the contestants and the judges. I had a

479
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Speaker 1: slightly different lifestyle on that show where I didn't know

480
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Speaker 1: any rules, so I didn't live by them. Yeah, I

481
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: wasn't breaking them. I just didn't know them anyway, like

482
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 1: from the show or dancing. And I would see Lynn

483
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Speaker 1: out at the car. He was awesome to me until

484
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: we were on camera and he had to be Lynn. Yeah,

485
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 1: and he was the hardest on me, and people would go,

486
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: Lenn is such a dick to you, And now I'd

487
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: be like he is on camera, but like I loved

488
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: that dude. He was so nice to meet off camera.

489
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Speaker 2: You know What's funny, Like I joke around because obviously

490
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 2: Dancing Stars has a whole brand new, you know, audience,

491
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,439
Speaker 2: and it's funny. I'll people, I'll say something like, you know,

492
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Speaker 2: it wasn't really for me, and I'm like, oh my.

493
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Speaker 1: Gosh, Derek, you're the worst.

494
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Speaker 2: I'm like, Yo, you didn't see Lynn. Guys, I don't

495
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Speaker 2: think you quite understand I am. If anything, I'm actually

496
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Speaker 2: a little bit too. I'm too too, you know forgiving. No.

497
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Speaker 2: Len is awesome. I've known him so I was fifteen

498
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 2: years old, you know, I've known him be way before

499
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Speaker 2: Dancing on.

500
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Speaker 1: The Stars when you were competing.

501
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I knew back in London when i there. So

502
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 2: actually when he was on Dancing with the Stars, I

503
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 2: was like, wait, Len's on that shit, what is Lenn

504
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 2: doing up there? You know? It's so random and uh,

505
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 2: getting to know Len, having our careers kind of like

506
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: just be parallel and just share the space with him

507
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 2: in different ways was so awesome. But you're right, Lyn, Yeah, man,

508
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 2: this is nobody like him, you know. He one had

509
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 2: the gift of the gap. I always I begged him.

510
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 2: I said, can you write a book of just like lenisms?

511
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Speaker 2: Because the things you would say they were so good

512
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 2: and so funny and charming and witty and and.

513
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: That nice and yeah, but not nice. But you would

514
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: be like, that's Len cuttingly funny? He would cut you,

515
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 1: but it was hilarious. Yeah, yeah, actually I'll tell you, yeah,

516
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: but it's funny. There was a time actually to go

517
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Speaker 1: off what you said. And I've shared this story a

518
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Speaker 1: bunch of times, but it was with Kelly Pickler. And

519
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: I saw Lynn in the hallway and he.

520
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Speaker 2: Goes, oh, Derek, you know, I was like, I would

521
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 2: love I was like, what dance you have next week?

522
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, the pasta doble and he goes, oh, I

523
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 2: love the dance. It's like it's like throwing a coupda

524
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Speaker 2: peek into that dance because I haven't seen one of

525
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 2: those in a long time. I'm like, oh, you got it, Lynn,

526
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 2: you got pa.

527
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put two in there.

528
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: You got it, you know, And so I do the

529
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 2: pasta doble. We do it. It's this trio thing. And

530
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh man, we got it in with Lynn.

531
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 2: We got this on lock.

532
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: We're good.

533
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 2: We do the dance. I go up to the judge

534
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Speaker 2: table and I'm like, you know, looking at Kelly, like

535
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 2: all right, we got this, and carry Anne was like,

536
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Speaker 2: oh my gosh, it's my favorite dance I've ever seen.

537
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Speaker 1: Bruno, Oh my god, Darling, my love.

538
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Speaker 2: I loved it. The theatrics are wonderful. Lenna is like,

539
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 2: how dare you, Derek? That was an abomination, disgraceful. You're

540
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 2: letting your partner down, and like I was like, you

541
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 2: betrayed me? What are you doing? Man? It was it

542
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 2: was such a funny thing. But then afterwards I saw

543
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Speaker 2: I saw him and he got two tens from Lennon

544
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 2: sorry from Bruno and Carrie Inn and he gave us

545
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 2: a six.

546
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: Wow.

547
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 2: And that was in like the semi finals, Like this

548
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 2: is a big times. So so again when I saw

549
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 2: him afterwards and I was like, Lannes, he goes, oh, Derek,

550
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 2: it's a bit of TV.

551
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 1: Did you like that?

552
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 2: I was like, ah, oh no, I didn't.

553
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: I didn't like that.

554
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 2: But again it makes me laugh because you know, again

555
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: in these seasons, like you know, we'll have like we'll

556
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 2: give like two weights and then a judge will give

557
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 2: us seven, and the the energy that is thrown at

558
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 2: that judge for giving you know, a seven and seven

559
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 2: eight is crazy And I was like, gave me a

560
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 2: six when then you're giving me tens like this is

561
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 2: that was a different discrepancy. So no, he's he's wonderful.

562
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 2: And it was a big shock when he passed away. Honestly,

563
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 2: we knew he was wasn't quite himself, and he was,

564
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 2: you know, the energy wise. But the last season, our

565
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 2: last season together, is interesting. I felt really drawn to

566
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: his trailer and going to see him and talk with him.

567
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 2: I was like, hey, man, let's shot this TikTok. We'll

568
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 2: do something kind of fun together, and he would be

569
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: open for it, you know, he'd be down. And we

570
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 2: spent we spend a lot more time than usual. And

571
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 2: so at the end of that season when he said

572
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 2: that he was stepping away one, I couldn't believe it.

573
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 2: I just I was like, this is like the end

574
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: of an era, and we're losing the heart of Dancing

575
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 2: with the Stars essentially that foundation. And then a couple

576
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 2: months later when we found out we we lost him completely.

577
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: We had no idea. It was such a shock to us.

578
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 2: And uh and again that's why I really, I genuinely

579
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 2: don't take it lightly. You know where I sit and

580
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 2: being in that position, you know when I go on

581
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 2: my tours. I I'm going out on tour this summer,

582
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 2: and a couple of years ago when he first passed away,

583
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 2: I did a tribute for him on my tour, And

584
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 2: even as I'm building this one, I was thinking, I

585
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: was like, should I take that out now? And I

586
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: was like, no, I'm keeping that in. I'm keeping that

587
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 2: in because it doesn't matter. I don't care if it's

588
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 2: ten years. I'm still keeping that in there because I think,

589
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 2: you know, we wouldn't be here really without him. He

590
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 2: really helped build that show.

591
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: And now the mirror Ball is named after him. Yeah, yeah,

592
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: the Lynn Goodman mirror Ball Drunk. Yeah, I love him.

593
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 2: It has a little bow tie on there like it's

594
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 2: it's It's amazing.

595
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Speaker 3: Hank Ty, The Bobby Cast will be right back. Welcome

596
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 3: back to the Bobby Cast.

597
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Speaker 1: Do you have how many do you have? Mirror balls? Six? Six?

598
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: Are they all knee least? Stacked beside each other? In

599
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: a no CD manner.

600
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: They Where are theyre? Actually, I have no idea where

601
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 2: they are right now, If I'm honestly, I think they're

602
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: They're like in a road case right now somewhere, because

603
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 2: I take them to travel with them. I take them

604
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: on tour, and I put them in the lobby, you know,

605
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: and just just for people to come come check them out.

606
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: And look at you. Ever broken one had to get

607
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: a replaced Oh yeah, Oh so what do you do

608
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: if that's the case.

609
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: Oh no, I've I've lost like two of them. Wait, okay,

610
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: I'll tell you this story. This is kind of kind

611
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: of funny. Actually in my earlier days when I would

612
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: go out and have them have fun. I think I

613
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: had three at the time, and there's somebody at my

614
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: condo where I was living. I was a bachelor, you know,

615
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: the whole thing. And then I woke up, you know,

616
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: the next day, and I was like, where's my where's

617
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: my trophy? No way? And I was like, wait a minute,

618
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 2: somebody took somebody took my because I had like an

619
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 2: after party at my house and there's a bunch of

620
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 2: people there and stuff, and somebody took my trophy and

621
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 2: uh or I think it was like, honestly, it was

622
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: I think it was two of them because there's only

623
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: one there, like, wait, hold on. Luckily, there was like

624
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: a card on the ground. It was like somebody's card.

625
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 2: I don't know. I was random. I was like, let

626
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: me let me call this person, say, hey, did you

627
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: take my trophies? Yeah, we took them, and they're in

628
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 2: They're in like Korea Town, which is nowhere near where

629
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 2: I live, in the bush somewhere at this address. I'm like, first,

630
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 2: why did you do that? Secondly? What? So? I had

631
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 2: to find them and sure enough they were in a bush,

632
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 2: had to grab them, take them home in one piece

633
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 2: and one piece. They were fine, but I have broken them.

634
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 2: I've lost a few. But you could get a remade.

635
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: But they're like five thousand dollars a piece, which you're like,

636
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, I feel like you could just get

637
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: like a I have one.

638
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: Actually, wow, I did not know they were that expensive.

639
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: Yeah they're cool, they're fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah they're cool.

640
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, what happened? What happened yours?

641
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: That's not why you're here. But I'm happy. I'll talk

642
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: about whatever. I don't want to preface it by saying this,

643
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: but I must I just had surgery, like two days

644
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: before you did. That's not an excuse, but I was

645
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: not right in my mind. So I had surgery, and

646
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: they were they everybody was going back to for like that.

647
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: It was the big episode where all the winter everybody

648
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:27,479
Speaker 1: came back. If you were on the show, you get

649
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: to be a part of it. And I couldn't go

650
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: to that, and I was just awful little And I

651
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: love and still love Tom Bergeron. He was the nicest

652
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: guy to me. And so I was a little messed

653
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: up on paint bills and I felt like I got

654
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: a slight from somebody I really admired, and I was like,

655
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: this sucks. I get beat up by the audience all

656
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: the time anyway because I didn't I don't I don't

657
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: want to dance. I worked really hard and we won,

658
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: but I don't want to dance. I don't claim I

659
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: know how to dance, like I'm not fighting for my

660
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: dance skills. But it really hurt my feelings, like really bad,

661
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: and so I I packaged it up and mailed it

662
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: back because I was like, you don't want me to

663
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: be a part of the show. I don't want this

664
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: thing around me now. Clearhead. I don't think I would

665
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: have done that. And I know the head of BBC,

666
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: and because I wrote for BBC for a while, I

667
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: had them produce my Nat Geo show. I have great

668
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: relationships and I was talking to him and I said, Hey, Ryan,

669
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: have you seen the trophy? And he was like, no,

670
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: We've been looking for it. And I was like, I

671
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: don't know where it is. He said, it's in a

672
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: bush and Korea town. I was just going to say

673
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: that it's there.

674
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: It's just it's like all trophies go to that place

675
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: and it's like a black hole.

676
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mailed it back because I was upset. I

677
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: was very sensitive. I love Tom and my feelings got

678
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: really hurt. And also I think I would I just

679
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: get pounded and then I'm going to move off me

680
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: because it's not about me. But yeah, yeah, here's the

681
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: thing that hurts my feelings about that show a little bit.

682
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: On my season, I wasn't the bad dancer. There were

683
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: three or four bad dancers. I was never in the

684
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,479
Speaker 1: mix of being the bad I was. I'm the bad winner.

685
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: Big difference because there were three or four people that lasted.

686
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: People were like, how are these people staying on I

687
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: was never that guy during the show because I was fine,

688
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: But when it comes to like winning, I didn't have

689
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: the dance skills to be a winner according to the

690
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: traditional winners. So I went from the fan favorite obviously

691
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: I won to I'm now associated with every bad dancer

692
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: on the show, when I wasn't even the bad dancer

693
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: on my season. Yeah, I have three final questions for you.

694
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

695
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: Something that people ask me about and I was also

696
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: very uncomfortable with it when I first started the show

697
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: is all the touching, because how I have lived my

698
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: whole life is you don't touch people really like, especially

699
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: like that in dance. It took me a couple of

700
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: weeks to realize that's just the culture. That's what you

701
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: have to do it in order to actually do any

702
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: sort of performance, Like fundamentally, your hands have to be

703
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: on the other person's body, all over their body all

704
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: the time. When you're learning, you're moving, it's great. My

705
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: mind was blown by all of it. If here's this

706
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: girl I don't know in small shorts and the top

707
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 1: and she's like, put your hands right on my butt,

708
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: put your touch my hips, and I'm like, am I

709
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: me too? I don't want get hashtag me too.

710
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

711
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was very uncomfortable for me at first.

712
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: But people all the time say, man, they're all touching

713
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: each other. Everybody's got to be doing it with each other.

714
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 1: You hear that a lot, right, Yeah, what's your response

715
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: to that?

716
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 2: Most of the time, it's funny. Actually, I would say this.

717
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: In the earlier seasons, there was a lot of there

718
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: was a lot of stuff that would you know, go on,

719
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 2: I feel like.

720
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 1: But the touching is like it's like but they're looking

721
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: at a bank and taking money, like yeah, yeah, no.

722
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 2: No, no, here's the thing. Here's I'll say this the

723
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 2: dancing part of it again for a dancer. For a dancer,

724
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: it's not it's not intimate, you know what I mean.

725
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 2: It's not like like this is like get in here.

726
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 2: It's not that at all. It's very uh, it's very clinical,

727
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 2: you know, it's like, hey, get your get there. No no, no,

728
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 2: that doesn't feel right, okay, good, No, no, get that

729
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: get that hip up in here, and you're and you know,

730
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 2: for me, I'm not thinking like ooh, I'm thinking the

731
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 2: mechanics of it, and you know, anatomically, does that make sense?

732
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: Does it feel good? From a balance perspective or from

733
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 2: you know, just that push and pull to create the

734
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: speed and the dynamics. I'm thinking of the performance, you

735
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 2: know what I mean. But I remember my first partner,

736
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 2: Jenny Garth. You know, I was like this young kid,

737
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: and I remember it's all on camera. I remember us

738
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: doing ball room and I kind of like, all right,

739
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: put your hip here, and she remember me like she'd

740
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: be like whoa hey. And again for us, does it

741
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 2: even like you know, this is just what we're doing.

742
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 2: You know, it's very clinical, it's very technical.

743
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: That's what I tell people, Like it doesn't even like

744
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: factor to professional dancers that there's anything romantic happening, because

745
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: it's another day on the job.

746
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 2: Yeah it is. And it's interesting too because I think

747
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: even like, you know, it's like in acting, you know

748
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: what I mean, and in in in film. You know.

749
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: I was with Mark Robbie yesterday talking about her Weathering

750
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: Heights film and it was like all this stuff about

751
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 2: her and Jacob be Lord, You're like, oh my gosh,

752
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 2: this is like crazy. And but again for me, I

753
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 2: was like, it's like dancing. It's like a dance partner,

754
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's not it certainly looks that way, like, wow,

755
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: there's something going on there. The amount of people think

756
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 2: thought that things were going on with a bunch of

757
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 2: my partners and couldn't be further from the truth. Like

758
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 2: I was like, they're like my sisters, you know what

759
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 2: I mean, Like they're like my family. And but we

760
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: could just we could just you know, we could just dance.

761
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: You know. How's the extra job going.

762
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: That's good?

763
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, it's good.

764
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 2: It's different. I'm different skill. It's a different muscle, you know,

765
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: learning uh, just learning those ropes.

766
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: Man.

767
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: You know, they're doing a certain voice in the vos

768
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 2: and stuff and then the interviews, and it's been great.

769
00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 2: It's been good. I caught my like my dad job

770
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 2: because it's like I go, I have an office, and

771
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 2: it's like, you have an office.

772
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: They gave you an office. That awesome.

773
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 2: It's a dope office. Yeah, it's nice. Haley came in

774
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 2: and she did it all up and we did the

775
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 2: walls and the shelves and the things, and it's a

776
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 2: nice office. And uh, you know, I go from like

777
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: eight thirties and I'm done by like noon or eleven

778
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 2: sometimes and go home.

779
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: How many days a week four days a week.

780
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: So today I shot two shows and you know, yeah,

781
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 2: yeah that's super cool.

782
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: Yeahs on that.

783
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun. It's fun if people.

784
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: Want to see you on tour this summer.

785
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, what's the deal, dude, my tour. Well, first

786
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 2: of all, performing live is for me number one. It's

787
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: the best, you know, being on television, you know, I

788
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: love that, don't get me wrong, of course, but there's

789
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 2: nothing like performing live in in you know, in a room,

790
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: having that shared experience, you know, how it feels, that

791
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: instant response, that relationship. And uh, I'm going back out

792
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: on the road with the tour that I've done before

793
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: called Infany of Dance, and it's a really special show.

794
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 2: I'm so proud of this show so much so that

795
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: I want to do it again and go back out.

796
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 2: We're gonna change things, of course, there's gonna be different songs,

797
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 2: different pieces, different things happening, and there of course make

798
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: it different, But for the most part, it's the same show,

799
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: and it's we have a live band, live musicians, incredible

800
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 2: cast of dancers that I handpicked that are just they're superheroes.

801
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 2: They can do things. I specifically pick dancers who do

802
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 2: things that I would only dream of doing. I can

803
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: never do what they do. And yeah, there's music in it,

804
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: singing and audience participation, but it's also very personal. It's

805
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 2: very heartfelt. I always try to make my shows feel

806
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 2: connected and feel like there's an emotion there, So I'm

807
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: really proud of it. This is also the show that

808
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 2: Haley actually a couple of years ago, she ended up

809
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 2: having a brain bleed during the show and we had

810
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: to go off the stage, and there's just something and

811
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: then she came back. She came back and it was incredible,

812
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 2: and we were talking about what tour we wanted to

813
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: go out with this summer, and we both were like,

814
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: we want to go back out with that show. The

815
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 2: show is really special. There's something about it that's really special.

816
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: And I think part of that might because of the

817
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 2: experience that we had together, but also we're really proud

818
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 2: of the show. It's a good one. It's a good

819
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: the music, the energy, it's rock and roll, there's ballroom,

820
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 2: there's there's contemporary, there's ballads. There's just a bit of

821
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: everything tap old Hollywood musical theater, you know, it's it's

822
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: a it's a bit of everything in it. It's really fun.

823
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you coming by. This has been great.

824
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: Thanks man.

825
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: I one bonus question, do you ever have any input

826
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: at all on who your next partner is going to be?

827
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 2: Do you have any input? No, you don't. You don't

828
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 2: have any, But.

829
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: You answered that a little suspect.

830
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,919
Speaker 2: I love that so much. Sorry, I was just trying

831
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 2: to think.

832
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to the only.

833
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 2: Reason why I'm saying that is because of this. Because

834
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 2: a while ago, and I'll be completely honest with you,

835
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: I was doing a show. I was doing Radio City

836
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 2: Music Hall. I was in a show there, and I

837
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: was like, I can't do Dancing with the Stars. I'm

838
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 2: gonna go do this show at Radio City. I'm doing

839
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: thirteen shows a week, which is insane, by the way,

840
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: three shows a day sometimes with the rockheads. I'm on

841
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 2: stage were I'm singing and dance and it's fifty thousand

842
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: gallons of water falling on that stage, like it's incredible,

843
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: sold out shows every night, you know, six thousand per

844
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 2: show and we're in rehearsals, and I kind of was like,

845
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 2: I think I could do Dancing with Stars at the

846
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 2: same time as this, which was crazy, and I remember

847
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: calling them and saying, hey, guys, I think I can

848
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: do both. I think I can fly Red Eyes and

849
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,720
Speaker 2: go back do thirteen shows a week, teach my partner

850
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: in between shows in my dressing room. You needed someone

851
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: in New York and I was like, but the person

852
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 2: needs to be in New York and they're like, well, okay,

853
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: let me. Then they were like, well let's think about it.

854
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 2: And then funny enough, Nasty Lucan was going to school

855
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: in New York City and so it just happened to

856
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 2: work out that way. So it wasn't like I was like, hey,

857
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: I want this partner. It was like, we could make

858
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: this happen, but my partner has to be in New York.

859
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 1: So that's and they need to be an Olympic gymnast.

860
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: And you've had two Olympic gymnasts.

861
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did, I have. I have he's the Olympic

862
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: gymnast and it'd be amazing. No, it wasn't that. It was

863
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 2: just was by chance and uh but it was amazing.

864
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: She was incredible as well. But but yeah, there's you know,

865
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 2: it's interesting of course, especially now with like the the

866
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: energy around the show, there's a lot of like wanting

867
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 2: to figure things out and look into things and all

868
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: this stuff. It really isn't that complex, really honestly, it's

869
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: it's just like, hey, these guys go well together, let's

870
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 2: put them together. There are, of course, sometimes when partners,

871
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 2: you're kind of like, man, I wish this person would

872
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 2: you know, have a different opportunity, you know, And I think, yeah,

873
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm trying to say right now, but.

874
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were people I'll just keep names that there

875
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: are people on our season that really didn't like each other,

876
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: like really like partner and that really and I felt bad. Yeah,

877
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: I felt because they just it just didn't mix, you know.

878
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 2: I feel like now I could be wrong, but I

879
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 2: feel like we're sort of in a different time now

880
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 2: where I think that people who come on the show now,

881
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 2: you know, celebrities will come on the show. They want

882
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 2: to be there, do you know what I mean? I

883
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: feel like there's gonna be like now, they want to

884
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: be there, They're here, Take me, what am I? What

885
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: do I gotta do? Doesn't mean they're not gonna have conflict.

886
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: They're gonna hit heads and that's gonna happen. But I

887
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 2: feel like in some cases in the past it'd be

888
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 2: people who are there like what am I doing here?

889
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 2: Like my agent made me be here.

890
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: I've heard of those two. You're go for the the

891
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: pro as well.

892
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there're just like, come on, please come in

893
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: to rehearsal, you know, and you feel bad for them

894
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 2: and that that's a bummer. That's bummer. But I feel

895
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: like we're in a that time now where it's like

896
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 2: there's like a people want to be on the show,

897
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 2: they want to be there, and you feel that.

898
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: So congratulations man, Thanks dude, killing it. Love the spent

899
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: an hour here, big fan of your work. You filled

900
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: Lynn's spot wonderfully because you're not trying to be Lynn,

901
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: You're just being you. Thanks, And I think that is

902
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: a really hard thing to do. Like when you're coming

903
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: in after somebody legendary, you think, well it should be

904
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: somewhat like this, but you've really embraced just being you

905
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: and that is probably exactly what Lynn would have wanted

906
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: to So Derek going to see you man.

907
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: Thanks man, he's a lot. Thanks so much.

908
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Speaker 3: This has been a Bobby cast production.