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Speaker 2: We have a great show for everybody today. What do

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Speaker 1: We do once again, we have all the latest for

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Speaker 1: you coming out of Israel and Gaza and the risks

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Speaker 1: of that igniting a broader war is what we're starting

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Speaker 1: our focus on today. We also have a little bit

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Speaker 1: of movement in terms of humanitarian aid and the strikes

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Speaker 1: to home for Justin mash former congressman.

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Speaker 4: We're bringing that as well.

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Speaker 1: And there's some new polling showing how the American people

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Speaker 1: are viewing all of this, and I have to tell

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Speaker 4: Was a little surprised by it, so it's very interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the details and the divides and all of that

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Speaker 1: We'll also talk about what we know about what the

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Speaker 1: out of Trump World. Sydney Powell and Trump aligned attorney

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Speaker 4: What that means. And Dave Chappelle.

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Speaker 1: Making some controversial comments I suppose about Palestinians and big

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Speaker 3: Next one coming is going to be independence.

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Speaker 2: But we're going to start with the news, as Crystal

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Speaker 2: alluded to, about the fear of a broader war involving

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Speaker 2: the United States, which is sweeping Washington. Let's go and

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Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen. This is from

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Speaker 2: an inside report of Axios headline quote, behind the curtain rattle,

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Speaker 2: US government fears wars could spread. What they point to

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Speaker 2: And what they basically point to is the very basics

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Speaker 2: If so, then what is Israel going to bomb Iran.

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Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: This is actually, in my opinion, the most significant piece

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Speaker 2: as Lucas Tomlinson Hear from Fox News aptly points out,

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Speaker 2: so Crystal. The moment I saw the THAD missile defense

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Speaker 2: not with you know, not with Hesbola, not against terrorism

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is the big concern here in Washington, and

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Speaker 1: There's reporting this morning that the US has become more

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Speaker 1: There's also the broader geopolitical picture of how this interacts

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is why the entire time on Ukraine,

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Speaker 2: For a perfect example of what real bipartisanship looks like

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Speaker 3: To report responsibly.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we've had multiple IDF soldiers killed, We've had

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Speaker 2: Crystal as probably the most advanced the actual like military

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Speaker 1: And as I was saying before, when you combine that

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Speaker 3: They were Judith and Natalie run On they had been.

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Speaker 2: So obviously that was incredibly significant to see the release

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Speaker 2: or in the military. Now, some of these hostages are

439
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Speaker 2: just straight up civilians, so the pressure for them to

440
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Speaker 2: trade or to do everything they can to get those

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Speaker 2: people out is even more power Pala Also, you know,

442
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Speaker 2: just to bring the weird math you know, everyone's always like, oh,

443
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Speaker 2: you know X amount of nine to elevens. Well, you

444
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Speaker 2: can flip it around on the hostage situation and say, well,

445
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Speaker 2: everybody knows somebody who knows somebody who may know somebody

446
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Speaker 2: who was either killed or taken hostage. So their sympathy,

447
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Speaker 2: their want it were in a small country couple hundred people,

448
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Speaker 2: you know, the same equivalent to thousands of people here

449
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Speaker 2: in the US where somebody would those stare stories and

450
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Speaker 2: all that are going to have a tremendous amount of

451
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Speaker 2: sympathy from the overall public. So how the Israeli government

452
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Speaker 2: is able to how the Israeli government is you know,

453
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Speaker 2: has to navigate this is really difficult. I mean just recall,

454
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Speaker 2: you know, America itself throughout the entire global war on terror,

455
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Speaker 2: our hostage, the way that we handled everything completely changed.

456
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Speaker 2: In the beginning, it was like, oh, we're not going

457
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Speaker 2: to negotiate with terrorists, and it's like we I think

458
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Speaker 2: believe the we lifted the ban on the ability of

459
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Speaker 2: families and private parties to be able to negotiate some

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Speaker 2: sort of hostage payments. Then in some cases we said

461
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Speaker 2: that we wouldn't negotiate it all but then in some

462
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Speaker 2: cases we would send you know, the Secretary.

463
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Speaker 3: Of State and others before. So this is the very

464
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Speaker 3: thorny issue.

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Speaker 2: Just recall, you know here in America, people like auto

466
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Speaker 2: warm beer with North Korea or I'm trying to think,

467
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Speaker 2: you know, several that happened in Iran. I believe he

468
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Speaker 2: went hiking on the Iran Iraq border, something I still

469
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Speaker 2: don't understand. The people who got captured in Afghanistan bo Bergdal.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's still a lot of controversy around many

471
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Speaker 2: of those decisions. So magnify it by like twenty whenever

472
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Speaker 2: you're thinking about the hostag situation Israel.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely so we also have some updates from on the ground.

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Speaker 1: Let's go and put this up on the screen. This

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Speaker 1: was really quite shocking justin Mash. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you all remember. He's a former congressman. He just left

477
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. He had several relatives who were

478
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Speaker 1: killed in the bombing of an Orthodox church in Gaza.

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Speaker 1: Let me read you his statement here. He says, I

480
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Speaker 1: was really worried about this with great sadness, I've now

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Speaker 1: confirmed several of my relatives, including Viola and Yara pictured here,

482
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Speaker 1: were killed at this Orthodox church in Gaza, where they

483
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Speaker 1: had been sheltering when part of the complex was destroyed

484
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Speaker 1: as a result of an Israeli airstrike. Give rest, Oh

485
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Speaker 1: Lord to their souls. May their memories be eternal. The

486
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Speaker 1: Palestinian Christian community has endured so much. Our family is

487
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Speaker 1: hurting badly. May God watch over all Christians in Gaza

488
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Speaker 1: and all Israelis and Palestinians who are suffering, whatever their

489
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Speaker 1: religion or creed. He posted another another message on Twitter

490
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Speaker 1: after this one, saying, my family and I would like

491
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Speaker 1: to express our heartfelt appreciation for the many kind and

492
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Speaker 1: gracious messages of condolence for our beloved cousins in Gaza.

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Speaker 1: Please remember the thousands upon thousands of innocent civilians in

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Speaker 1: unbearable circumstances who simply want a life of peace. So

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Speaker 1: many of the people suffering are just children. They do

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Speaker 1: not deserve violence and death. The details of this strike,

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Speaker 1: this Israeli strike on this church, which they don't dispute,

498
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Speaker 1: by the way. They say they were trying to hit

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Speaker 1: a building next door, but they hit this church. It

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Speaker 1: was sheltering displaced people. On Thursday night. The church compound

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Speaker 1: comprising a Chapel seven buildings in a courtyard was full

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Speaker 1: of Christian family from.

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Speaker 4: The Gaza Strip. They said.

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Speaker 1: The airstrike happened around seven thirty pm when dinner was

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Speaker 1: being distributed the gaz And Health Ministry, which is controlled

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Speaker 1: by Hamasad. At least sixteen people were killed and many

507
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Speaker 1: others were still buried under rubble. The death hole could

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Speaker 1: not be independently confirmed. And of course the fact that

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Speaker 1: you have relatives of, you know, a very recently serving

510
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Speaker 1: Republican member of Congress just really underscores the devastation in

511
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Speaker 1: Gaza right now. And also saga the fact that you know,

512
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Speaker 1: they thought a church would be safe. They thought this was,

513
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Speaker 1: you know, the best they could do in terms of

514
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Speaker 1: trying to shelter and find a place where they could

515
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Speaker 1: in their families who were displaced, could you know, at

516
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Speaker 1: least survive what's going on? And there really is nowhere

517
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Speaker 1: that is safe in Gaza at this point, let's put

518
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Speaker 1: this up on the screen in terms of the death hole. Listen, guys,

519
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Speaker 1: these are the best numbers we can get. This is

520
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Speaker 1: according to the AP fourteen hundred in Israel. I think

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Speaker 1: we can be fairly confident about that one at this point,

522
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Speaker 1: forty three hundred dead in Gaza. Those are the latest numbers. Again,

523
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Speaker 1: remember journalists are not really loud inside of Gaza to

524
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Speaker 1: be able to verify any of this. There's also a

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Speaker 1: fear that I saw reported in the Washington Post that

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Speaker 1: more than a thousand individuals could be trapped under the

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Speaker 1: rubble in Gaza from these bombings. And as I said before,

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Speaker 1: there was a new massive bombing campaign overnight in Gaza,

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Speaker 1: several hundred strikes, over three hundred strikes, so we have

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Speaker 1: yet to learn what the fallout from that is as well. Saga,

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Speaker 1: I'll get you to weigh in on this. We can

532
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Speaker 1: update on the AID as well well.

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Speaker 3: I think it's important. Yet I'm glad that you said that.

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Speaker 3: It's like we can't listen.

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Speaker 2: We are dealing with these relies and the freaking Palestinian

536
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Speaker 2: Health Ministry or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Nobody knows what these numbers are. And we would just.

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Speaker 2: Say that's why we need to allow foreign journalists inside

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Speaker 2: of Gaza. There are American journalists who are chomping at

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Speaker 2: the bit who would love to be able to go in, yes,

541
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Speaker 2: even at risk of their own lives, in order to

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Speaker 2: give people a better update to be able to see

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Speaker 2: things for themselves. Unfortunately, you know, internet access is beginning

544
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Speaker 2: to be decline all over Gaza. Remember they also don't

545
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Speaker 2: have electricity, or they do have it in some parts,

546
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Speaker 2: but it's still very difficult.

547
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Speaker 3: The infrastructure and all that.

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Speaker 2: We have to be very very careful well every single

549
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Speaker 2: thing that is coming out of there, which is part

550
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Speaker 2: of what makes it such a nightmare to even try

551
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Speaker 2: to report on what it is. I think that the

552
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Speaker 2: Church incident just highlights what we have flagged from day one.

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Speaker 3: That's one of the most densely populated areas on the planet.

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Speaker 2: And with the dense population, you can try no air

555
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Speaker 2: force in the world, as we all saw it during

556
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Speaker 2: the US Drone campaign. You can have good intelligence, you

557
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 2: can have world class you know, air force, you can

558
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 2: have jadeams that cost tens of thousands of dollars a piece.

559
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Speaker 2: Plus or minus five feet means a hell of a

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Speaker 2: lot whenever, you know, think about New York City or

561
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Speaker 2: any other crowded metro area that you've ever been in,

562
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Speaker 2: and just think about what pluster minus five feet would

563
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Speaker 2: mean when you've got buildings that are sometimes together. And

564
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Speaker 2: yes it is true, Hamas uses it to its advantage.

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Speaker 2: The Israelis claimed that right across was like a major

566
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Speaker 2: weapons depot, which is part of why it was happening. However,

567
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Speaker 2: and very unfortunately with the church, and just like a

568
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Speaker 2: hospital or any of these other areas where people commune

569
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Speaker 2: because they believe that they're going to be safe, they're

570
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Speaker 2: really not safe at the end of the day. And

571
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Speaker 2: also to me underscores the wisdom of what Jocko said

572
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Speaker 2: in that segment that we did on our last show,

573
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Speaker 2: just about the pluses and the minuses just from a

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Speaker 2: pure military perspective around what this bombing campaign is actually achieving,

575
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Speaker 2: especially relative to the future goal. We'll talk about that

576
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Speaker 2: in the Gods of Future block. Because there's still we

577
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Speaker 2: really want to thing. We should all be prepared and

578
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Speaker 2: actually think carefully about what this military campaign is going

579
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Speaker 2: to look like and what the fallout is. We failed

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Speaker 2: to do that in Iraq, we failed to do that

581
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Speaker 2: in Afghanistan. We honestly even failed to do it during

582
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Speaker 2: the whole Isis campaign, which is part of the reason

583
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Speaker 2: why this world was so shocked about what was going

584
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Speaker 2: on with that. And on this one, we have some

585
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Speaker 2: time at least for now to think about it and

586
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Speaker 2: we shouldn't fail to actually take advantage of that.

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Speaker 1: And we will talk more about it, but let me

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Speaker 1: just say this for now. I mean Israel with the

589
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Speaker 1: complete siege situation of all of Gaza and with what

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Speaker 1: I would describe as in I know I would dispute this,

591
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Speaker 1: but indiscriminate bombing. You're talking about churches, mosques, marketplaces, schools,

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Speaker 1: medical facilities, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: With there being really no safe zone.

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Speaker 1: Even after they told people go south, and they're still

595
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Speaker 1: bombing southern Gaza as well, there's really no place to

596
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Speaker 1: seek safety. Ultimately, what you're doing I don't know how

597
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Speaker 1: effective they're being at taking out Hamas leadership at this

598
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Speaker 1: point with this sort of like aerial bombing campaign, but

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Speaker 1: you're terrorizing the entire population, and I guarantee you're creating

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Speaker 1: more terrorists. I mean, just looking at history and the

601
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Speaker 1: way this works out, I mean, how many members of

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Speaker 1: the terrorist organization Hamas, how many of them lost family members,

603
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Speaker 1: and that's part of what radicalize them. And analysis is

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Speaker 1: not justification. But if your actual goal is peace and

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Speaker 1: safety and security, and again we're going to talk more

606
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Speaker 1: about this, this is the wrong direction to go.

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Speaker 4: And I do that.

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Speaker 1: The fact that Justin Omash's Christian Palestinian relatives were killed

609
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Speaker 1: in this bombing also underscores, like you know, people have,

610
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Speaker 1: especially because there are very few journalists allowed into Gaza,

611
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Speaker 1: they have this very caricaturish view of who actually lives there,

612
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Speaker 1: or they can just not really think about who actually

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Speaker 1: lives there. And we try to say things like, you know,

614
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Speaker 1: almost a majority of the population is children, like they're innocent,

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Speaker 1: They're the definition of innocence, right. But when you have

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Speaker 1: these details of it's a Christian church, these were Christians

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Speaker 1: who live there as well who were killed in this bombing,

618
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Speaker 1: whether it was intentional on Israel's part or not, you

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Speaker 1: get a sense of how many people are caught up

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Speaker 1: in this, and you know what a devastating human toll

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Speaker 1: there is here as well.

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Speaker 4: There's a little bit of good news.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to oversell it here, but let's go

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Speaker 1: and put this up on the screen. We do have

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Speaker 1: some aid trucks that were able to move through Rafah crossing.

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Speaker 1: This is from Egypt into Palestine. Put this up on

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Speaker 1: the screen. According to UNICEF, they did confirm that the

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Speaker 1: first deliveries of humanitarian aid across the border. But it's

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Speaker 1: just enough for twenty two thousand people for one day

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Speaker 1: that was driven through as part of a twenty truck convoy.

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Speaker 1: Water capacity right now at five percent of normal levels

632
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Speaker 1: in Gaza, and by the way, the water situation in

633
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Speaker 1: Gaza is never good, So the fact you're at five

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Speaker 1: percent of normal Gaza levels tells you how dire things

635
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Speaker 1: truly are. I had seen a calculation previously, Saga that

636
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Speaker 1: what you would actually need is one hundred trucks every

637
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Speaker 1: single day to try to meet this need. So it's

638
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Speaker 1: good that we got a few trucks few through, but

639
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Speaker 1: it is, you know, not even close to the need

640
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Speaker 1: that you have at this point, given no food coming in,

641
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Speaker 1: no fuel, no electricity, very little water. You know, it's

642
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Speaker 1: quite a dire situation for everyone in the Gaza strip

643
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Speaker 1: right now. The US the very latest this morning is

644
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Speaker 1: because this was unclear, frankly, whether it would just be

645
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Speaker 1: those twenty trucks and that's it. They're saying that they

646
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Speaker 1: got some sort of a guarantee that trucks would continue

647
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Speaker 1: to be able to move through this crossing. So that

648
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Speaker 1: is incredibly vital for just the life of people who

649
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Speaker 1: are living in this area right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, then then that's just the insane difficulty of all

651
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Speaker 2: of this, which is it just seems like every party

652
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Speaker 2: who is involved doesn't seem to have any interest in

653
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Speaker 2: any of these civilian lives, Like the Egyptians are making

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Speaker 2: it difficult for like no reason. Hamas of course not

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Speaker 2: exactly helping the situation. Israel helping nobody by firing on

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Speaker 2: the actual cross crossing where this is all supposed to

657
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Speaker 2: be happening. And then, I don't know if you saw this,

658
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: the Israelis accidentally fired on Egyptian military forces and then

659
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Speaker 2: had to apologize, which demonstrates the fog of war situation,

660
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Speaker 2: how difficult all of this is. And sure you can apologize,

661
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Speaker 2: but you know who's stopping the ground commander or whatever

662
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Speaker 2: from being like, oh my god, we're under attack and

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Speaker 2: then launching something again. This is the scary situation of

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Speaker 2: all of this. The civilians are absolutely the ones who

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Speaker 2: are caught in the crossfire, and they're paying a big price.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're we're still not sure, and this is

667
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Speaker 2: the unfortunate part.

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Speaker 3: We do not know. We do not know for sure

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Speaker 3: what the hell is going on.

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Speaker 2: I wish that we could get people into Gaza at

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Speaker 2: the very least, just journalists and cameras, like just let

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Speaker 2: people see.

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Speaker 3: But that's the immense difficulty of all of this.

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Speaker 2: We would be able to report from them, you know,

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Speaker 2: instead of having to rely on reports that we're saying

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Speaker 2: of a US congressman whose Palestinian, a Christian family was

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Speaker 2: killed in an airstrike. Instead, you know, we're trying to

678
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Speaker 2: parse through everything and everyone's looking you know, videos from Twitter,

679
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Speaker 2: Instagram and all that. That is not the proper way

680
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Speaker 2: that you're supposed to actually be able to learn about

681
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Speaker 2: these conflicts. We definitely learned that one the hard way

682
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Speaker 2: in terms of propaganda from everybody all throughout the global

683
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Speaker 2: War on Terror, you know, conflicts that we ended up in.

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Speaker 2: So I just see the same mistakes being made again.

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Speaker 3: Crysalis. Yeah, it's really difficult.

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Speaker 1: And the last piece we can put up here in

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Speaker 1: terms of the dire situation on the ground already and

688
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Speaker 1: again this is before any sort of ground invasion has begun.

689
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Speaker 1: According to the UN, in only twelve days, Israel destroyed

690
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Speaker 1: twenty five percent of the private homes in Gaza and

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Speaker 1: made more than six hundred thousand Gaza's homeless they put

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Speaker 1: on a whole report with their best intel and insights

693
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Speaker 1: into what the situation is like in the Gaza Strip.

694
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Speaker 1: But it just gives you a sense of the level

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Speaker 1: of devastation already. And you know, we've seen you've probably

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Speaker 1: if you've been on Twitter, seen these images, these drone

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Speaker 1: images of the amount of rubble and just how many

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Speaker 1: buildings have been destroyed.

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Speaker 4: So a quarter of all of.

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Speaker 1: The homes they're estimating have already been destroyed in the

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Speaker 1: Gaza Strip is absolutely unimaginable. I mean I can't even

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Speaker 1: wrap my head around what that would look like to experience.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is the issue is where we rely on

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Speaker 2: drone footage and you know, again everyone's like, oh, well,

706
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Speaker 2: this one particular image and it's being I wouldn't say

707
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 2: it's being manipult but things are spreading either way. They're like, no,

708
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Speaker 2: this is what Gaza looks like. It's like some guy's

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Speaker 2: house with a pool and the other ones. That's a

710
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: better way to think about it. Just think about metro area.

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Speaker 2: We've described it before. I think Philadelphia is like roughly

712
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Speaker 2: the same size, but with multiple times of population in Gaza,

713
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Speaker 2: and then just think about what it would like to

714
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 2: have that housing removed. And then also what an immense

715
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Speaker 2: task it is going to be, as you all find

716
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 2: we all found out in I RACK, when you break it,

717
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: you buy it, and then you're responsible now for building

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Speaker 2: that up. I mean, it's going to cost untold billions

719
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Speaker 2: to rebuild at the very least, and that's not even

720
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Speaker 2: factoring in the security situation and everything that I guess

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Speaker 2: we'll talk about in the Gaza future.

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Speaker 3: Let's move on to the polling.

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Speaker 2: As Crystal you know, alluded to some actually very fascinating

724
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Speaker 2: polling just immediately after the conflict, which shows something I

725
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 2: always have believed. You have to have faith in people,

726
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 2: because people, normal American citizens in most cases, are far

727
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Speaker 2: more morally clear understanding of nuance and insightful practical understand

728
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Speaker 2: trade offs than people who actually do this for a living,

729
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Speaker 2: and especially our electeds in Washington. Let's put this up

730
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Speaker 2: there on the screen, and this reflects us directly Israel

731
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Speaker 2: Hamas conflict.

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Speaker 3: What should the US do now?

733
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Speaker 2: Seventy six percent say we should send humanitarian aid to Israel,

734
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Speaker 2: Seventy two percent say we should use diplomacy with countries

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Speaker 2: in the region. Fifty seven percent say we should send

736
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Speaker 2: humanitarian aid to Palestinians in Gaza. So we have majority

737
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: support for humanitarian to Israel, humanitarian aid to Palestinians, and

738
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Speaker 2: seventy two percent for diplomacy. You know what doesn't have

739
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: majority percent, only forty eight percent send weapons and supplies

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Speaker 2: to Israel. And when you start to dig into it

741
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Speaker 2: even more, it's pretty shocking. Let's go to the next one, please, guys,

742
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: because this is on partisan guy on partisan lines. For example,

743
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Speaker 2: should the United States send humanitarian aid.

744
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Speaker 3: To Palestinians in Gaza? This is by party.

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Speaker 2: Seventy percent of Democrats say we should Independence, sixty percent

746
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 2: say yes, forty one percent of Republicans say that we should.

747
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Speaker 2: Now should not only thirty percent of Democrats, forty one

748
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: percent of Independence, and sixty percent of Republicans now should

749
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Speaker 2: the US send weapons and supplies to Israel. Amongst Democrats,

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Speaker 2: it's under a majority only forty seven percent so that

751
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 2: we should send weapons to Israel, forty five percent of Independence,

752
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 2: fifty seven percent of Republicans on the should side, but

753
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: fifty three percent of Democrats say that we should not.

754
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: Fifty five percent say that we should not, and forty

755
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Speaker 2: three percent of Republicans. I mean, this is not an

756
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Speaker 2: overwhelming issue really at all by far on the side

757
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: of weapons, on the side of all of that, the

758
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Speaker 2: only ones Crystal that really have supermajorities are send humanitarian

759
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: aid to Israel and conduct.

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Speaker 4: Diplomas and diplomacy.

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Speaker 2: And it's interesting that number two on that one is

762
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Speaker 2: probably the least discussed, because if we were to understand that,

763
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Speaker 2: then Americans should be outraged and horrified at.

764
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Speaker 3: The Biden administration.

765
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Speaker 2: Really Anthony Blincoln two's inept moves in the Middle East,

766
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Speaker 2: getting his own Middle East Summit canceled well in the

767
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Speaker 2: front of his say, it's just humiliating to the United

768
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Speaker 2: States and the American presidency.

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Speaker 1: Not only that they should be disgusted as I am

770
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Speaker 1: that from the podium, Koreine Jean Pierre would call talks

771
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Speaker 1: for diplomacy and the ceasefire specifically repugnant and that they

772
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Speaker 1: would instruct State Department officials are nations diplomats not to

773
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Speaker 1: use any language about ceasefire, calm ending the violence, ending

774
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Speaker 1: the bloodshed. Americans overwhelmingly want us to be engaged in talks.

775
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Speaker 1: Support for ceasefire extremely especially among Democrats, which this is

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Speaker 1: the Democratic president extremely high. So when you think about

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Speaker 1: the media coverage of what Israel is doing right now

778
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Speaker 1: and the horrific attacks on Israel and the direction of

779
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Speaker 1: the media coverage, and how consistly hawkish they are all

780
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Speaker 1: the time. Platform people like Lindsey Graham are calling for

781
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Speaker 1: all out you know, Holy war, world war as a

782
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Speaker 1: basis for World War three. And you see, you don't

783
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Speaker 1: have majority support for sending weapons to Israel. You have

784
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: very clear majority support for caring about the humanity of Palestinians.

785
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think given the media coverage, especially

786
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Speaker 1: on cable news, that is absolutely extraordinary and does show

787
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Speaker 1: you that you know you have I mean, I think

788
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Speaker 1: in part shows you that this issue is no longer

789
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Speaker 1: among the population, is no longer as just like lockstep,

790
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: we support Israel no matter what as it used to be.

791
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Speaker 1: I think part of that is social media. I think

792
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Speaker 1: part of that is the rise of independent media where

793
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Speaker 1: there isn't just this one uniform view that people see.

794
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Speaker 4: And I also just think, you know, people have hearts.

795
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Speaker 1: They can see these children who are suffering, they can

796
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Speaker 1: see the entire population being like starved out in this siege,

797
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: and their hearts generally go on to them, they're able

798
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Speaker 1: to hold two thoughts in their head that Hamas is evil,

799
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Speaker 1: that they should be held to account, that there is

800
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Speaker 1: no punishment too severe for them for what they did

801
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Speaker 1: to Israel, but also that not all Palestinians are Hamas,

802
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: and that they are just human beings and children in

803
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: many cases trying to live. So you see that coming

804
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Speaker 1: through in the polling, and you know, I'm pleasantly surprised.

805
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Speaker 4: I have to say.

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Speaker 1: There's also an interesting pull from the Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 1: about what direction the American people want the country to

808
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Speaker 1: go in. And you know, we talked about the possibility

809
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Speaker 1: of broader conflict and concern over the spreading into some

810
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: sort of a hot war with Iran, which is very

811
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Speaker 1: much on the table right now. Given the comments both

812
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Speaker 1: of the Biden administration and certainly of the net Yahoo administration. Well,

813
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Speaker 1: American people are not excited about that possibility. Let's go

814
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Speaker 1: ahead and put this up on the screen. This is

815
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Speaker 1: from the Wall Street Journal. They say, do you think

816
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Speaker 1: the US does does or doesn't have a responsibility to

817
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: protect Israeli citizens? Okay, you've got a majority that say yes,

818
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: forty two per se say forty two percent say no.

819
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: Protect Palestinian civilians. Forty one percent say yes, fifty four

820
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: percent say no. But you know, you're pretty split on

821
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Speaker 1: even the question of whether you should support Israel in

822
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 1: the war fifty two to forty four. You've got majority

823
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Speaker 1: support for pushing parties to negotiate, and you have much

824
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: less support and much less interest, though, for working toward

825
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 1: Palestinian statehood twenty eight sixty six. One of the things

826
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Speaker 1: that came through in this poll, as it did Sager

827
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Speaker 1: in many of the polls, is just how much the

828
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Speaker 1: divide is actually I mean, there is a Democrat Republican divide,

829
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Speaker 1: but perhaps the bigger divide is actually generational, where you

830
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Speaker 1: have young people who view this conflict in very different

831
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Speaker 1: terms than older generations which do have more of that.

832
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: Just whatever Israel does, we support them, We totally take

833
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Speaker 1: their side.

834
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Speaker 4: And that's the end of the story.

835
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Speaker 1: Voters, especially under thirty, but really under forty, taking a

836
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Speaker 1: much different view of this conflict.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is all before it's fifty to fifty,

838
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 2: before an actual major ground campaign has been launched with

839
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: carnage with death, with the daily video of street to

840
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: street hand to hand combat, before protests, before and even

841
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 2: an American soldier hopefully has been you know, hopefully has

842
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 2: not been brought into this. That's where it is right now.

843
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 2: And that's again why I trust people, because people aren't stupid.

844
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 2: They can see this. They see the headline about American

845
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 2: troops getting attacked on a base in Iraq, and they're like, well,

846
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: first of all, I didn't know they were there, and second, well,

847
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 2: you know, I really wouldn't like to be drawn back

848
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 2: into this because my cousin or my cousin went Diraq

849
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Speaker 2: and he came back and he was never the same.

850
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Speaker 2: I mean, who hasn't got a story about something like that.

851
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Speaker 2: And that is why the younger generation in particular has

852
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: to be especially worried. They're either the ones with siblings

853
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 2: or directly know people who are involved in the light

854
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 2: latest conflict. And they're the ones really who also had

855
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: to pay the price in terms of giving up their

856
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 2: entire adult life life with no real with no peace,

857
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 2: you know, in their lives that the boomer generations, as

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Speaker 2: you said, they have a very different view in just

859
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Speaker 2: in general about America how it should operate.

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Speaker 1: Well, and it's very I think it's really Cold War influenced.

861
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 1: Problem two of just like the world is black and white,

862
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 1: there's the ones that are with us and the ones

863
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Speaker 1: that are against us, and the ones that are with

864
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Speaker 1: us we back them no matter what. And I think

865
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Speaker 1: that's part of why you get this massive generational divide.

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Speaker 1: I just pulled up cn end at a poll too,

867
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Speaker 1: and they asked, is Israel's military response to Hamas attacks

868
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Speaker 1: fully justified? Okay, so their whole response, the bombing campaign,

869
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Speaker 1: the siege, et cetera, is that fully justified? If you're

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Speaker 1: sixty five plus eighty one percent say yes, eighteen to

871
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Speaker 1: thirty four years old, only twenty seven percent say yes.

872
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 4: So that's why I say the age.

873
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: Divide is really the key driving factor here, beyond partisanship.

874
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: If you're a senior, sixty five plus a eighty one

875
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: percent are like, yes, everything that's Israel's doing totally justified.

876
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 4: I'm behind them, et cetera.

877
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: Eighteen to thirty four only a quarter twenty seven percent,

878
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: And it goes down like a ladder. It's fifty six

879
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: percent for fifty to sixty four years old, it's forty

880
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: four percent for thirty five to forty nine years old,

881
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: and then it's only twenty seven percent for eighteen to

882
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: thirty four years old, which is why I mean, you know,

883
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it's always the youth that tends to be

884
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: at these protests, but it's why you overwhelmingly see young

885
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: people populating these protests calling for a ceasefire in the

886
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: region and critical of Israel for what they're doing here.

887
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 3: No, that's what I say.

888
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: So a lot of questions about what comes next after

889
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 1: this bombing campaign. What is this potential ground invasion even

890
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: going to look like? How can they accomplish their stated

891
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: objective of destroying Hamas Sex Share of Defense. Lloyd Austin

892
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: was actually on the Sunday shows yesterday sounding some warnings

893
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: about the difficulty of what Israel has plan. Let's take

894
00:44:58,960 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: a list to what he.

895
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 3: Had to say.

896
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 6: And they're about to launch this ground defensive in Gaza.

897
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 6: You you were at Sencom. You were the Sencom commander

898
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 6: when ISIS had control of Mosl and it took nine months,

899
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 6: but you cleared ISIS out of Mosl with our Iraqi

900
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 6: and Kurdish partners. What is that? What are the lessons

901
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 6: you learned there that apply here?

902
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 5: Well, the first thing that everyone should know, and I

903
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 5: think everybody does know that urban combat is extremely difficult.

904
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 5: It's it goes at a slow pace.

905
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 6: That was nine months, nine months of intense combat.

906
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 5: Yes, this may be a bit more difficult because of

907
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 5: the underground network of tunnels that the that Hamas has

908
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 5: constructed over time, and the fact that they've had a

909
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 5: long time to prepare for a fight. So I think

910
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 5: you'll see a fight that's characterized by a lot of

911
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 5: I D s, a lot of booby traps, and just

912
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 5: really grinding activity going forward.

913
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 4: So you hear what he says there.

914
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: So the fight to liberate Mosul from ISIS took nine months.

915
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 1: It was brutal, it was bloody, it was incredibly difficult.

916
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: American suffered casualties. Now you're talking about Lloyd Austin here

917
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: saying this fight may be even more difficult because of

918
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: the nature of urban warfare, because of how dug in

919
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: Hamas is, because of the tunnel system, and there will

920
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: certainly be significant IDF casualties here as well.

921
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 2: I have some numbers I can read, so I've been

922
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 2: doing a lot of research into this. Inside the city

923
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 2: of Moses, there were eight thousand ISIS fighters compared to Gaza,

924
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 2: where Hamas has an estimated thirty to forty thousand fighters.

925
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 2: Palstinian Islamic Jihad has another fifteen thousand men under arms,

926
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: so we're talking about fifty five thousand fighters versus eight thousand.

927
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: In addition, Isis was not from Moses, They just took

928
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 2: it over. These people actually lived there. So consider that

929
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 2: Isis did not have the majority support of the people

930
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 2: in Mosul. They hated him just as much as everybody else.

931
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 2: They were just militarily occupied Hamas. I'm not going to

932
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 2: claim they all support Hamas, but you know, they some do.

933
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: They have more of a support than they definitely did

934
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 2: in Mosol. They're gonna be way more dug in in

935
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 2: terms of the support from the civilian populace. So honestly,

936
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 2: the US, the West, we have not engaged in a

937
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 2: fight like this maybe ever, you know, even in the

938
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 2: war in Iraq during Fallujah and all that. Actually I'm

939
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 2: not sure why, but the Jihadis let the civilians leave,

940
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 2: maybe before they discovered human shields. So we didn't have

941
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: nearly his amount of a densely populated area to contend with.

942
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 2: And you know, because America did not lose that many

943
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 2: people in the battle on Mosl, we mostly were in

944
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 2: a trades advisor and assists. We mostly did not pay attention.

945
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 2: I encourage people if you're able. Netflix has a movie

946
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: called Mosel, which is an Iraqi movie that was made

947
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 2: about it.

948
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 3: Wow, you really need to go.

949
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 2: Open your eyes as to what let conflict look like.

950
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 2: Block to block, horrific fighting, absolute savagery, as they, as

951
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 2: he said, IEDs everywhere.

952
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 3: Can't you know, can't move.

953
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: The other problem with Rebbele is you can just bury

954
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 2: id and everything and you're picking one thing up and

955
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 2: you can blow everybody up. And then also the immense

956
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 2: difficulty of the air campaign. The US was involved definitely

957
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 2: in the air campaign, but the Iraqi security forces, their

958
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:32,439
Speaker 2: casualties were insane in retaking Mosel. And again they had

959
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 2: the support in many cases of the civilian populace who

960
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 2: wanted them to come back.

961
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 3: This is a whole other situation. This really is. It's

962
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 3: unprecedented in modern history, an urban fight like this.

963
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: That's absolutely right, and they're already this was a good

964
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: pickup by Peter Baker.

965
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 4: Here, let's put this up on the screen.

966
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: Susan Glasser was able to report that some senior Israeli

967
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: officials are already telling the Americans that they should expect

968
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: a war that could last as long as ten years

969
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: a decade. That's what they're saying behind the scenes. And

970
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: if we know anything about our experience of misadventures in

971
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: the Middle East, it's that it always goes longer and

972
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: is way more difficult than you expect. And of course,

973
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: you know in basic many of the objectives that we

974
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: set out for our military, both in a Rock and

975
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: certainly in Afghanistan, even you know, over the course of

976
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: the long time period that we were there, we failed.

977
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: I mean in Afghanistan is back in the hands of

978
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: the Taliban. That tells you everything you need to know

979
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: about how well our nation building exercises went there. Ultimately,

980
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: let's put this up on the screen. This is from

981
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: the Times of Israel. They're reporting here on you know

982
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: what this could all look like, So they say, US

983
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: Secretary of State Anthony Blincoln says, Israel should be devising

984
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: a strategy for who will rule Gaza after it completes

985
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: its mission of toppling Hamas.

986
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 4: So keep in mind the air strikes right now, for them,

987
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 4: that's nothing. That's the easy part.

988
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: What are they even accomplishing And we don't even know

989
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: how many Hamas fighters they're actually even taking out, or

990
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: whether it's largely and I expect it is largely civilians

991
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 1: who are being killed in these air strikes. So that

992
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: part then, okay, let's say you're able to accomplish this

993
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: very difficult feat of the ground invasion and rooting out Hamas,

994
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: which we just laid out for you. How difficult that's

995
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 1: going to be? Then what let me continue to read here.

996
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: There are different ideas out there about what could follow.

997
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: All of that needs to be worked, and it's something

998
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: that needs to be worked even as Israel is dealing

999
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: with the current threat. That's what Blincoln is telling NBC's

1000
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: Meet the Press. This appears to be the first time

1001
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: that Washington is publicly urging Israel to think about its

1002
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: day after strategy, after privately doing so in order to

1003
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: avoid making the same mistakes the US made after nine

1004
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: to eleven, which led it to being bogged down and

1005
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: dragged out in the Middle East. Israeli officials have said

1006
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: publicly they are currently focused on eradicating Hamas or not

1007
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: thinking about what might come after, though the government's newest

1008
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: ministers from the National Unity Party demanded crafting of a

1009
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 1: more holistic strategy upon entering the government. Nat Nyahu's office

1010
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: issued a statement on fridaying declaring the Preimer's defined goal

1011
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: for the Gaza War is the elimination of Hamas. All

1012
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: talk of decisions to hand over the Gaza strip to

1013
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: the Palestinian authority or any other party is a lie,

1014
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: so insisting no, we really have no plan after this,

1015
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: okaynt Nyahu has come under fire since the start of

1016
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 1: the Gaza War from critics who have accused him of

1017
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: working to strength in Hamas over the past fifteen years

1018
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: in order to divide Palestinian factions and avoid peace talks

1019
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: with more moderate pa Ask what israel strategy is for

1020
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: who will govern Gaza after the war is over? Blincoln

1021
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: tells me the press, we cannot go back to the

1022
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: status quo. They can't go back to the status quo

1023
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: with Hamas being in a position in terms of its

1024
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: governance of Gazo to repeat what it did. At the

1025
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: same time, what I've heard from the Israelis is absolutely

1026
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: no intent, no desire to be running Gaza themselves. So

1027
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: something needs to be found that ensures that Hamas cannot

1028
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: do this again, but that also doesn't revert to Israeli

1029
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: governance of Gaza. So they've got a lot about what

1030
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: they don't want this to look like, not a lot

1031
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: of details so far, and in fact, a out and

1032
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: out insistence by Yahoo that they have no idea what

1033
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: comes after this effect.

1034
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 2: Because they don't want to sign up for it. And

1035
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 2: then that's again the major difficulty of this. Well, then

1036
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 2: who the hell is going to be in charge? Is

1037
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 2: it going to be Israel? Is it going to be

1038
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 2: the United Nations? I mean, yeah, the UN is so

1039
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 2: good at nation building too.

1040
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:17,919
Speaker 3: Ask Rwanda how that's going.

1041
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 2: There are so many examples where Okay, are are we

1042
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 2: going to turn it over to the administration of Egypt

1043
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 2: and of Jordan? I mean, they're just going to do

1044
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 2: what's good for them, not necessarily for the people who

1045
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 2: are in charge here. Are they going to administer elections?

1046
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 2: How did that work out for America? In Iraq and

1047
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 2: in Afghanistan? It turns out this is actually extremely difficult,

1048
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: and that's why in general it's usually better to let

1049
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 2: the actual party involved decide it for themselves. Unfortunately, you know,

1050
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 2: in this case and in the past, that usually means

1051
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 2: a scenario which you cannot one control. This really does

1052
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 2: just come back to so many of the lessons in Iraq,

1053
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 2: And even when we consider it a couple of different ways,

1054
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 2: you could say like, oh, we're in this for the

1055
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 2: elimination of Hamas.

1056
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 3: In general.

1057
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: Stanley McCrystal, he became very famous, designed this whole Jasak

1058
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 2: counter terrorism unit in two thousand and six. It became

1059
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 2: incredibly efficient at killing al Qaeda terrorists all throughout two

1060
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 2: thousand and I think it was two thousand and six

1061
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 2: and two thousand and seven, and yet in two thousand

1062
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 2: and seven, the US still had to surge troops to

1063
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 2: quash al Qaeda violence and intra civil war between Sunni

1064
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 2: and Shia because there was a core like, there was

1065
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: a core problem that just killing terrorist leaders was not

1066
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 2: getting to, which is you had two basically reconcilo groups

1067
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 2: that were pushed to the brink of war that was

1068
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 2: then had.

1069
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 3: The chaos of the invasion backstop.

1070
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 2: So you can kill probably every single member of Hamas leadership,

1071
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 2: will that actually degrade or destroy the entire organization? I

1072
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 2: mean basically no, Now you can take away their military capability.

1073
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 2: That's basically what we did in against ISIS, and that

1074
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 2: of course was effective, and we took away the land

1075
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 2: that they operated in.

1076
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 3: But it's just not the same situation, yeah, that we're

1077
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 3: dealing with.

1078
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 2: It is far more akin to like a true counterinsurgency campaign,

1079
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 2: where you have the population here that dramatically more supports

1080
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 2: the group that is trying we're so pupposedly trying to

1081
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 2: eliminate than ISIS or even al Qaeda in Iraq ever

1082
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 2: had in terms of the civilian support it is going

1083
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 2: to be. It is just going to be absolutely brutal

1084
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 2: and savage. And then my fear is that exactly what

1085
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,720
Speaker 2: the IDF did in two thousand and six and twenty

1086
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 2: fourteen will happen. They're going to take a ton of casualties,

1087
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Speaker 2: they're gonna withdraw, and they're gonna be like, well, we've

1088
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 2: got airpower, the enemy doesn't, and you're just gonna carpet

1089
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 2: bomb the entire place, which is, as history has also

1090
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:49,919
Speaker 2: shown us, unless you basically commit to total annihilation, you still

1091
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 2: can't win, you know, the conflict.

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Speaker 1: I mean what they're doing right now, And I keep

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00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: thinking about the comments we played that you guys should

1094
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 1: go back and listen to if you didn't hear from

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00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: Jocko Willink who's like, again, not a lib not a

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00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: lefty commie pinko, whatever you all think of me. He

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00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: is someone who actually has experience on the ground, and

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00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: he's saying, Okay, if your objective is to root out Hamas,

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00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: let's be serious about what that would take. The first

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Speaker 1: thing I would do is to stop bombing Gaza, because

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00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: all you're doing is further radicalizing a population which is

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Speaker 1: already under siege and already buying large hate your guts.

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00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: By the way, so you know, given the multi year

1104
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: blockade and the long history of trauma and death and

1105
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: grievance and injury between these two parties, you're already starting

1106
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: out behind the eight ball here, your indiscriminate bombing campaign

1107
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: that has killed thousands of civilians and more than a

1108
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 1: thousand kids, and all of this not helping the situation

1109
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 1: in terms of gaining some support on the ground that

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00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 1: can help you figure out who you need to get at,

1111
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: who was involved in these attacks. So that's number one.

1112
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: Number two, you should be surging humanitarian aid to the

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00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,439
Speaker 1: roader civilian population to try to build out that good will.

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00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 1: And even with all of that, it is going to

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00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: be insanely difficult to actually achieve the stated objective, which

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00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 1: is why I don't think they actually really care about

1117
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: the state of objective, because it's not just him. There

1118
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: was a bunch of military experts who are quoted in

1119
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 1: Box who said the exact same thing, that if you actually,

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Speaker 1: if this is your real objective, this is the path

1121
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: to get there, not what you're doing right now with

1122
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 1: the complete siege in this massive aerial bombing campaign.

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Speaker 4: So there's that.

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Speaker 1: The other thing is sager and you kind of alluded

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Speaker 1: to this. There's two possibilities here. One is as Netanyah,

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Speaker 1: who is very much insisting, we really haven't thought about

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00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: what comes next. We don't know who's going to rule Gazo,

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Speaker 1: we don't know what governance is going to look like.

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Speaker 4: We don't know.

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Speaker 1: We're pushing that off to another day to think about.

1131
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: That's terrifying in and of itself. More terrifying is that

1132
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: they actually do have some idea of what it's going

1133
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: to look like. They just don't want to say it

1134
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: because they know it would be so broadly unacceptable, perhaps

1135
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: to their own population, certainly to you know, parts of

1136
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: the world may not be something the US could sign

1137
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Speaker 1: on for.

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Speaker 4: And you know, in that regard.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people are pointing to a plan that

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00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: was released by some of Netnya who's coalition partners with

1141
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: his stamp of approval back in twenty seventeen, for what

1142
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: they wanted to do with both the West Bank and

1143
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Speaker 1: the Gaza strip. Let's put this up on the screen.

1144
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: So the thought leader behind this is this student who

1145
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: is a member of the net Nyahu Cabinet, Smotrich. She's

1146
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: one of the most extreme members of what is the

1147
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: most extreme government in Israeli history. So they say, here

1148
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: Israeli Party approves annexation plan to coerce Palestinian departure with

1149
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: a stamp of Netnyaho approve. A right wing party conference

1150
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: discusses their plan to annex the Palestinian territories and offer

1151
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: a surrender or transfer ultimatum. Basically, this plan, which was

1152
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: laid out back in twenty seventeen, is will give you

1153
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: three options. We're going to take over the land, You're

1154
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: no longer going to have you write to it. You

1155
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: have to abandon any dream of Palestinian statehood. This idea

1156
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: of a two party solution is anathematize. We don't want it,

1157
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: we say, And this was the quote from SMO. Churchie says,

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00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: these are the foundations on which Zionism was erected. We

1159
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: do not assume there are two narratives here that are equal.

1160
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: There's one side that's correct and another that is undermining

1161
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state.

1162
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Speaker 1: We have to engrave in the consciousness of the Arabs

1163
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Speaker 1: in the entire world. There is no chance of establishing

1164
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: an Arab state in the land of Israel. And so

1165
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: the plan here was to give three options. One is,

1166
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: you can abandon any idea of statehood, basically swear loyalty

1167
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: to Israel. You can remain living here, but you will

1168
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: have no rights in terms of being a citizen and

1169
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: being able to vote, being able to participate in democracy.

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Speaker 4: That's number one.

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Speaker 1: Number two, if you won't give up your desire for statehood,

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Speaker 1: we're going to force you to move. And number three,

1173
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,919
Speaker 1: if you don't, if you're unwilling to move, basically, we're

1174
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: going to take care of you in one way or another.

1175
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Speaker 1: So that was the plan laid out by his coalition partners.

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Speaker 1: Is that somewhat of the direction that they want to

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Speaker 1: go in here after Gaza? To me, that's an even

1178
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: more terrifying possibility is that they actually have thought through

1179
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: what the plan is. They just don't want to actually

1180
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: say right now, and that's why they're so insistent that

1181
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: we actually haven't thought it through.

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Speaker 4: We have no idea what comes after the ground invasion.

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00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Defense Minister is being more I guess reticent

1184
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Speaker 2: about it. Let's put this up there on the screen.

1185
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Speaker 2: They say they have three phases of the war. First

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00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 2: is the military campaign that will take place with air

1187
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 2: strikes and later a ground maneuver with the purpose of quote,

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00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 2: destroying operatives and damaging infrastructure in order to defeat and

1189
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Speaker 2: destroy Hamas. The second phase, quote will be continued fighting,

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Speaker 2: but at a lower intensity as troops work to eliminate

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00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 2: pockets of resistance. That sounds like military occupation. Good luck,

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00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 2: because now you're in the administration business, you're in the

1193
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 2: water business, you're in the police business, as we found

1194
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 2: out the hard way in Iraq. The third step, he says, well,

1195
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Speaker 2: the creation of a new security regime in the Gaza Strip,

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00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 2: the removal of Israel's responsibility for day to day life

1197
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Speaker 2: in the Gaza Strip, and the creation of a new

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Speaker 2: security reality. Before the decisions of Israel and the residents

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Speaker 2: of the area surrounding God. So nobody knows what that means,

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Speaker 2: what the security regime means. Does it mean full blown occupation?

1201
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 2: Does it mean governmental consent to whichever government is in power?

1202
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 2: Good luck with that, you know, achieving that? It just

1203
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 2: shows the extraordinary difficulty in all of this. And then

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01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 2: I will just say, also from a military cape point

1205
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 2: of view, it is even if they wanted to achieve

1206
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 2: that thing that you pointed out, do they understand the

1207
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 2: level of capability and commitment that that would require. I mean,

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01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 2: think about, for example, the worst bombing campaigns against civilians.

1209
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Speaker 3: And I don't mean that in moral sense.

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01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 2: I mean that in terms of their direct purpose, like

1211
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 2: the US final days of the war against Tokyo fire

1212
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 2: bombing and killing one hundred thousand people in a single night,

1213
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 2: and the words of Robert McNamara, even with that, with

1214
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 2: the full might of the US military, the destruction of

1215
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 2: Nazi Germany, the dedication of all of this bomb and

1216
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 2: all of that, we still were not militarily capable of

1217
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 2: compelling the Japanese to surrender. Because from a pure just

1218
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 2: like math point of view, even with all the bombs

1219
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 2: and the napalm and all that. You couldn't just simply

1220
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 2: accomplish that. We tried it in Vietnam and it didn't work.

1221
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 2: In some I forget exactly. It was like there was

1222
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 2: a single mission or something like that, we dropped all

1223
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 2: the bombs and equivalent to something like in World War Two. Yeah,

1224
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,439
Speaker 2: guess what, Ho Chi Minh still didn't surrender, and they

1225
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 2: are the ones who ended up winning the war. So

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01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 2: you cannot bomb your in general, you cannot bomb your

1227
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 2: enemy into submission unless, as we did, you were willing

1228
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 2: to use nuclear weapons and atomic weapons, and that's a

1229
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 2: whole other strategic level of the game. And then before

1230
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 2: you even got to a point where they were doing

1231
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 2: something like that, the US, Egypt, Jordan, all the rest

1232
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 2: of the Arab world will be embroiled in a bigger conflict,

1233
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 2: so it wouldn't even be confined to that. That's the

1234
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 2: thing overlaying all of this is the idea that they

1235
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 2: have total freedom of maneuver. They're not a superpower, they're

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01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 2: reliant on us. And then the rest of the world

1237
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 2: also is on or at least the rest of the

1238
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 2: Arab world is mostly sympathetic with the Palestinians.

1239
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Speaker 3: And then they would get involved. So it's a much.

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01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 2: Bigger problem than I think that they're laying on. They

1241
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 2: think they can just do what they want and you know,

1242
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 2: whether they should or should not, Like, that's just not

1243
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 2: how it's going to work, period. It's never had been

1244
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 2: how it's worked previously. Especially in a situation we're talking

1245
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 2: about mass civilian death, is impossible for them to accomplish this.

1246
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: As you're watching the statements come out from the net

1247
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 1: Yahoo government, also just keep in mind, like their audience

1248
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: is the world, their audience is their own domestic populace,

1249
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 1: but one of their most important audiences is US.

1250
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the American President, the American.

1251
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: People the providing cover for the US to be involved

1252
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: in the way that we are right now and continue

1253
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 1: our funding. I mean, they really are very much dependent

1254
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 1: on the massive amount of aid on this new aid

1255
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 1: package that Biden is trying to push through that will

1256
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: have you know, Ukrainian aid and Israeli aid and border

1257
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: funding and you know, on a side note, a little

1258
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: bit of humanitarian aid for.

1259
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Speaker 4: Gaza as well.

1260
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Speaker 1: And so are they are eyes on the prize saying

1261
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: what needs to be said publicly to make sure that

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Speaker 1: they can continue be the recipient of that aid and

1263
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: keep that lockstep bipartisan consensus around support for whatever it

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01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 1: is that they're doing in place here in Washington.

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Speaker 4: So just keep that in mind.

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01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: We always make little notes about what communications come out

1267
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: in English, yeah, versus what comes out in Hebrews, so

1268
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: you know, something for you to watch as well as

1269
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: this is all unfold.

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Speaker 3: Thank God for Google Translate, by the way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we can at least get into the

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Speaker 2: gist of what people are saying, because yeah, sometimes Al

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01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 2: Jazeer is a perfect example. Algazeier Arabic is nothing like

1274
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 2: Al Jazer English, and that's for a reason.

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Speaker 3: They have very different Audiits very different. Same in Israel.

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01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 3: Hebrew TV is very different than English, is really TV.

1277
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Speaker 1: Yes, all right, so let's talk a little bit of

1278
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: domestic politics here, because this was really significant.

1279
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 4: We didn't want it to get lost.

1280
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Speaker 1: You had two major figures involved in that Georgia Fulton

1281
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: County case against Trump and a whole raft of other

1282
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 1: indicted co conspirators part of the RICO charges. Two significant

1283
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: individuals who took plea deals and appear to have flipped

1284
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: and are now working with the prosecution.

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Speaker 4: Let's put this up on the screen. First.

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01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 1: Sidney Powell former Trump lawyer Sidney Powell, known for her

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Speaker 1: released the Kraken Antics and general insanity. In terms of

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01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: being the most she was the most willing to offer

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01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: the crazeout stop this deal, analysis venezuel whatever.

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Speaker 4: She was willing to go there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, she is now pleading guilty in Georgia in that

1292
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Speaker 1: election interference case.

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01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 4: As part of the plea deal.

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01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 1: She has to testify about any code defendants in the case.

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01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 1: She is one of eighteen code defendants you'll recall in

1296
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: this particular election and interference case in Georgia. So she's

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Speaker 1: pleading guilty to six misdemeanor charges. According to the agreement

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Speaker 1: that was run in court Thursday, she'll get twelve months

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Speaker 1: of probation for each count and a six thousand dollars finest.

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Speaker 1: Part of the agreement, pal must testify truthfully about any

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01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 1: co defendants involved and provide all documents the District Attorney's

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01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: office relevant to their case against the other co defendants

1303
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 1: Corney and Fulton County Judge Scott McAfee. Now, she was

1304
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 1: in some of the key Oval office meetings. She would

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01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 1: almost like elbow her way in and there were other

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01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 1: people who were trying to keep her and some of

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01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: the other like Mike Lindell types, out of the oval,

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01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 1: but she would find her way in. She was also

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01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 1: involved in some of the craziest press conferences that happened

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01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 1: during that time. At one time Trump said she was

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01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 1: his lawyer. At another time they kicked her off the team.

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Speaker 4: She also was.

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Speaker 1: Implicated and I don't know if you guys remember talking

1314
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 1: about that Coffee County situation in Georgia where Trump team members,

1315
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: herself included, came and committed allegedly actual election interference by

1316
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: getting into the computer systems there and their attempts to

1317
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: prove that there was election fraud. So now Trump has

1318
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: come out and he's of course pretending like Sidney Powell,

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01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 1: who I've never heard of her, she had nothing.

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Speaker 4: To do with me, et cetera.

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01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: As I put this up on the screen, he's claiming

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Speaker 1: Sidney Palell was never his attorney. In a social media

1323
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Speaker 1: post on Sunday, three days after she pleaded guilty, he wrote,

1324
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: Sidney Pell's one of millions and millions of people who thought,

1325
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: and in ever increasing numbers still think correctly that the

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01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 1: twenty twenty presidential election was rigged and stolen in our

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01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: country is being absolutely destroyed because of it. Ms Pell

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01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 1: was not my attorney and never was. In fact, she

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Speaker 1: would have been conflicted. That's what he wrote on truth

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Speaker 1: Social Okay, So that's what he's trying to say, is like,

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01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 1: I don't even know who this lady is. She just

1332
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:29,919
Speaker 1: believed the claims, but you know, she really had nothing

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01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 1: to do with anything. That, of course is total nonsense,

1334
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 1: although I will say, I mean, I think there are

1335
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 1: some questions about how much of on the inner circle

1336
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 1: she really was in terms of formulating the plans and

1337
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 1: like really crafting the behind the scenes concept of the

1338
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 1: fake elector schemes and all of that, which is why,

1339
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: in some certain respects this next individual, even though he's

1340
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 1: less well known, may actually be more significant to the case.

1341
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Speaker 4: Let's put this up on the screen.

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01:06:55,560 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 1: Lawyer Kenneth cheesebro Trump aligned lawyer pleads guilty in Georgia

1343
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: became the second lawyer after Sidney Polland two days to

1344
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 1: plead guilty in a criminal racketeering indictment that also names

1345
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. He agreed to cooperate with state prosecutors in

1346
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: Fulton County have accused him, Trump and seventeen others of

1347
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: conspiring to overturn the election. He pleaded guilty to a

1348
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 1: single felony charge of conspiracy and was sentenced.

1349
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Speaker 4: To five years probation.

1350
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: He was originally in charge with seven felonies, including one

1351
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 1: charge under the state racketeering loss. So it seems like

1352
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: he got a pretty good deal here. Emails obtained, they say,

1353
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 1: show that mister cheeseborough was considering not only the legality

1354
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 1: of various maneuvers related to the elector's scheme in the

1355
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 1: weeks after the election, but also their political ramifications, potentially

1356
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 1: undercutting arguments that he was merely offering legal advice. One

1357
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: email chain included messages from John Eastman, another conservative lawyer

1358
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: who has been charged in the Georgia case. Okay, so

1359
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 1: a couple things. Why this is significant. So he is

1360
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 1: the first person with real inside knowledge of this alleged

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01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 1: fake elector's scheme. I was not elected, really alleged at

1362
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 1: this point, we all say, saw playing out to plead guilty.

1363
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 4: And agree to cooperate.

1364
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 1: So in theory, he may know some of the nitty

1365
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: gritty details, how involved Trump was, what Trump really thought

1366
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: about these things, It's also significant because, as they were

1367
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: pointing out here, one of Trump's potential defenses is like

1368
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:16,919
Speaker 1: I was just acting on the advice of my attorneys,

1369
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 1: Like my lawyers told.

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Speaker 4: Me this was legal. I was gone with what they

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01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 4: were saying.

1372
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Speaker 1: And so the fact that you have one of those

1373
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 1: attorneys talking about not only the legal implications, the political

1374
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 1: implications and cooperating with prosecutors not good in terms of

1375
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 1: that potential Trump defense. The other thing here that they

1376
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:36,639
Speaker 1: point out in this article, Sager, which I hadn't really

1377
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: thought through, is cheesebro and Sidney Powell had both exercised

1378
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 1: their right to speedy trial, which is why their thing

1379
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 1: is on a faster track than everybody else. Jury selection

1380
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 1: was set to begin like imminently when these deals were struck,

1381
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: and if they had moved forward with these cases, then

1382
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:56,640
Speaker 1: because they're all caught up in these racketeering charges, the

1383
01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 1: prosecution would have had to reveal a lot of what

1384
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: their case was, and it would have been a huge

1385
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 1: advantage for Trump and the others to be able to see, Okay,

1386
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 1: what evidence are do they have, what case are they

1387
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:08,639
Speaker 1: really making here?

1388
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 4: How are they approaching this in court?

1389
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 1: So the fact that this has short circuited those trials,

1390
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 1: really undercuts the ability of the Trump team to see

1391
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 1: what they're going to throw at them when that case

1392
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 1: ultimately comes.

1393
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 2: To So a big problem for Trump is that he

1394
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 2: tweeted in November of twenty twenty that she was one

1395
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 2: of his quote wonderful lawyers.

1396
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 3: So he can't say that she wasn't his lawyer. I

1397
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 3: mean they did, but as he does say it, but.

1398
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 2: Like unless you formally, if you signed like a letter

1399
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 2: of engagement or whatever, then that's definitely one of your lawyers.

1400
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 2: So I think you're right, which is that from the

1401
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:42,640
Speaker 2: point of view of who was the most involved in

1402
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 2: some of the schemes that he could find himself in

1403
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:48,759
Speaker 2: the most trouble, it's definitely Kenneth Cheeseboro. It also bears

1404
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 2: big questions about Rudy Giuliani, would he ever turn as

1405
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 2: a prosecutor. The level of people who are flipping quote

1406
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:59,759
Speaker 2: unquote against Trump, and you know, in terms of Trump's defense,

1407
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 2: like it's going to be a lot more difficult in

1408
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,640
Speaker 2: Georgia because we're dealing with state election law. This is

1409
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 2: something we've always tried to highlight here the federal charges

1410
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 2: on Trump regarding January sixth and all that. Personally, I

1411
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 2: just don't think it passes even close to the First

1412
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 2: Amendment tests in terms of like what free speech is,

1413
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 2: how you would have to prove incitement all of that,

1414
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 2: that's going to be extraordinarily difficult. I'm not saying it

1415
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 2: won't pass about DC jury, but in terms of whether

1416
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 2: it makes it a Supreme court or not, and how

1417
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:28,639
Speaker 2: it'll pass there, we'll see. But remember that the state

1418
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 2: of Georgia, and in our federalist system, states themselves are

1419
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 2: the ones who administer their own election. So for Trump,

1420
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 2: when he's being charged with trying to disrupt official proceedings

1421
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 2: in the state, they actually have the ironclad jurisdiction over

1422
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 2: their secretary of state manipulation schemes. On all of that,

1423
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 2: I think the best case for Trump is just, you know,

1424
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 2: I don't know, try and make it as political as possible.

1425
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 2: And of course, you know on that front, like why

1426
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 2: did it takes out three years or whatever to charging me? Oh,

1427
01:10:57,760 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 2: you happen in charge him like right before the year

1428
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 2: before or the election? Yeah, who can deny that? Doesn't

1429
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 2: it doesn't look ridiculous. But after it's been charged, now

1430
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 2: it's a legal fight that you're embroiled in. You're not

1431
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 2: in a political fight anymore. You know, it remains to

1432
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 2: be seen yet how will turn out? I don't I

1433
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 2: genuinely don't know what political defense can they mount on

1434
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 2: the Georgia, or sorry, a legal defense defense.

1435
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 3: Can they mount.

1436
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 2: We talked with Brad Moss. He's like, he's just got

1437
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 2: to blame his lawyers. But if your lawyers are not

1438
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:25,759
Speaker 2: cooperating and guess you's can he extraordinarily difficult?

1439
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why the cheesebroo one in particular is very difficult.

1440
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 1: Now they say, actually they did not officially sign an

1441
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:33,759
Speaker 1: engagement leader with Sidney Palell. But if you're out on

1442
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 1: Twitter or True Social or whatever announcing like she's my

1443
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 1: great lawyer, then you know, obviously there was a connection there.

1444
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 1: It's not this like, oh, she was just one of

1445
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 1: millions who also agreed with me that the election was stolen.

1446
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 4: So put that aside.

1447
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:47,680
Speaker 1: I mean, if I had to rank the cases in

1448
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: terms of their sort of legal strength, the.

1449
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 4: Document's case, I mean it's pretty open enough.

1450
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:54,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1451
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: I genuinely don't see any defense that they have there,

1452
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,480
Speaker 1: because it's not only that you kept all this documents,

1453
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 1: but they asked over and over again, you're moving boxes around,

1454
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 1: You're caught hiding them, all of that.

1455
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:06,759
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just that one.

1456
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 1: I don't see how you're getting out of that one. Okay, Next,

1457
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 1: I would put this one because, as you said, state

1458
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 1: election law, it's a much more clear cut case against him.

1459
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:21,639
Speaker 1: And now that you have these relatively high level, high

1460
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 1: profile individuals who are flipping and are cooperating and they're

1461
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 1: undercutting your defense about like I was just doing what

1462
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:30,640
Speaker 1: my lawyers told me, that one seems very difficult. And

1463
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 1: then but you know, I view the Jacksmith one here

1464
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 1: in DC very differently because he wasn't arguing in that

1465
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 1: indictment that Trump was inciting January sixth riders.

1466
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 4: It really was also about these fake electric.

1467
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:45,599
Speaker 1: Scheme, which you know, so that kind of gets around

1468
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 1: the free speech issues, and he crafted the indictment specifically

1469
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 1: to try to avoid those questions. The other thing with

1470
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 1: the jack Smith case, of course, is that you've got

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Speaker 1: a DC jury, which DC being not exactly super friendly

1472
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,719
Speaker 1: Trump territory, so the jury pool matters there as well.

1473
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 1: But I do think that this makes things much more

1474
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 1: difficult for him in the state of Georgia. It's hard

1475
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 1: for me to see how he gets out of this.

1476
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 1: To me, it's a question of timing. And I will

1477
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 1: say it's just always important. Yes, the indictments haven't really changed,

1478
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: you know, if anything strengthened him in the Republican primary

1479
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,599
Speaker 1: ant really changed his approval rating with the American public.

1480
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 1: It is still possible that when you have an actual

1481
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 1: trial and you're facing actual prison time and you've got,

1482
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 1: you know, this courtroom drama playing out, that it does

1483
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 1: sit differently with.

1484
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 4: The American people. And the last thing that I'll say.

1485
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 1: On the saga is, you know, I do think that

1486
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 1: there's It has been instructive to me to watch the

1487
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 1: way the civil case in New York for business fraud

1488
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 1: has been playing out, because I feel like we're all

1489
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:50,560
Speaker 1: working with a little bit of an outdated analytical framework

1490
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 1: when it comes to Trump and his ability to wriggle

1491
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,600
Speaker 1: out of things. Because he's not wriggling out of the

1492
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 1: civil case in New York.

1493
01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 4: Now he's not going to go to.

1494
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 1: Jail for it, but he's already lost his business licenses

1495
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:06,679
Speaker 1: in the state, could be in very significant financial trouble.

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01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 1: You know, they're really not debating at this point whether

1497
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,680
Speaker 1: there was fraud, the debating how severe it was, what

1498
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 1: the penalty is ultimately going to be. And so for me,

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01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 1: it has been instructive to see the difference between how

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01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 1: things play for him in the political realm versus how

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01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 1: they actually play for him in a courtroom when you've

1502
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 1: actually got to like back up what you're.

1503
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 4: Saying with some evidence.

1504
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,639
Speaker 1: In some facts, and you can't just you know, post

1505
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 1: untrue social that you didn't actually know Sidney Powell, and

1506
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 1: that's somehow going to fly.

1507
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 2: The big questions, The big thing is the wildcard factor

1508
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 2: of what happens should a conviction occur. How does that

1509
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:44,600
Speaker 2: affect the political system? Nobody knows. It's completely unprecedented. What

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01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 2: if Trump strikes a deal and he's like, okay, I

1511
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 2: won't run, and that leads to some sort of you know,

1512
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 2: I mean, what does that mean, Like, well, you have

1513
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 2: a last minute effort to plug somebody in. And if

1514
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 2: you think these types of things can happen, try telling

1515
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 2: us all a month ago that the United States would

1516
01:14:57,840 --> 01:14:59,599
Speaker 2: have no Speaker of the House for two weeks and

1517
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 2: no seeable path to actually fulfilling the number three slot

1518
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 2: in the government.

1519
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 3: That cannot do anything.

1520
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:10,800
Speaker 2: These things do happen, and when they happen, it's first

1521
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 2: it's a little bit crazy, then the frenzy dies down,

1522
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:15,759
Speaker 2: and now it's just a matter of routine.

1523
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 3: Who knows, you know, what does it?

1524
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 2: And each specific case is a major problem that faces Trump. Sure,

1525
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 2: he certainly could wriggle his way out of it. He

1526
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 2: could become the president. And then we have to go

1527
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 2: through all kinds of novel interpretations of what that means.

1528
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 2: It could mean a major political backfire. As we said,

1529
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:34,679
Speaker 2: the RNC could replace him, he himself could drop out.

1530
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 2: There's simply no way of knowing like what will actually

1531
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 2: happen in this entire scenario. And that's why, you know,

1532
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 2: as I think, as tedious as some of the legal

1533
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 2: coverage on this can be, you have no choice but

1534
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 2: to look for it because you just know what the

1535
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 2: stakes could be in the future. The details of this

1536
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 2: singular case could decide the American presidency in twenty twenty four.

1537
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 2: That's not an exaggeration.

1538
01:15:55,760 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 1: It absolutely could, absolutely And so you know, when there

1539
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 1: are major developments like we would be we would really

1540
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 1: be failing if we didn't pay attention to them, because

1541
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 1: it is an extraordinary set of circumstances. It is a

1542
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 1: place we in the country have never been before. And

1543
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 1: so you know, these were certainly some major developments in

1544
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 1: the Georgia case that are not good for Trump whatever.

1545
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:18,600
Speaker 1: For me, a lot of the question of all of

1546
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 1: this and how it plays out is timing. I think

1547
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 1: this one is this trial for Trump is set to

1548
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 1: start like the beginning of next year.

1549
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 4: How long does it take for that to play on?

1550
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 1: You're talking about all these other co conspirators in terms

1551
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 1: of a recoach case. Then there could be an appeal.

1552
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 1: So none of this is going to happen in short order.

1553
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 1: And for me, that's the real wild card is just

1554
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 1: what is the timing on this when if he is

1555
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:46,680
Speaker 1: actually found guilty, when does that hit What does that

1556
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 1: look like? Where are we in the political cycle? And

1557
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:50,720
Speaker 1: there's just no way to know right now?

1558
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 3: Absolutely correct.

1559
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 2: Last part here, I guess we're trying to bring back

1560
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 2: a little bit of fun to the show, although even

1561
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 2: on this one there's.

1562
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 3: Not a lot of fun.

1563
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 4: It's lighter than the rest.

1564
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 2: Of the sile to say, let's go with that, let's

1565
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen. Dave Chappelle it appears,

1566
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 2: has drawn the ire of a Boston crowd after criticizing Israel.

1567
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 2: This was a kind of a very sparse Wall Street

1568
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:21,760
Speaker 2: Journal report, and what they say is that it appears

1569
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 2: based upon multiple reports that Dave Chappelle, at a comedy

1570
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 2: show in Boston on Thursday, criticized Israel's bombing of Gaza.

1571
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 2: At a performance in which the comedian said that the

1572
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 2: US was aiding the slaughter of innocent civilians that was

1573
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 2: at the TD Garden, Chappelle condemned the October seven attack

1574
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 2: on Israel by Hamas militants, but then criticized what he

1575
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 2: said were war crimes in Gaza. According to people in

1576
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 2: attendance quote, the comments came up when Chappelle said that

1577
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 2: he didn't think students should lose a job, offers for

1578
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 2: supporting Palestinians, and audience members command for the comedian to

1579
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 2: quote shut up drew an emotional response from Chappelle, who

1580
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 2: then criticized the Israeli government for cutting off water and

1581
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 2: other essentials to Gaza and accused of killing innocent peoples.

1582
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 2: Some audience members cheered Chappelle and shouted free palsign. Others

1583
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 2: yelled what about Hamas? Some in the crowd got up

1584
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 2: and left. Quote Towards the conclusion of his show, he said,

1585
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:14,760
Speaker 2: of Israeli policies and Hamas attacks that two wrongs don't

1586
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 2: make a right. Now, we have one report from an

1587
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 2: individual who apparently did attend this show and described it

1588
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:23,719
Speaker 2: for all of us. Let's put this up there on

1589
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 2: the screen. They say, quote, I saw Dave Chappell last

1590
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 2: night at the Boston ted Garden. It was sold out,

1591
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 2: so I would say twenty two thousand people were there.

1592
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 2: Three fourths into the show, he said, I wanted to

1593
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 2: address what's going on in Israel palsign. He specifically said

1594
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 2: Palestine and said it before Israel. He said what happened

1595
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 2: on October seven wasn't right, But what I'm going on

1596
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:42,759
Speaker 2: isn't right, and not just. You can't kill innocent civilians

1597
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:44,639
Speaker 2: like that, And the whole world said silently and watches.

1598
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:47,599
Speaker 2: Someone shouted at him from the crowd, shut the f up, Dave.

1599
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:49,800
Speaker 2: He went nuts and yelled back, No, you shut the

1600
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 2: f up. You don't take tens of billions of dollars

1601
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 2: from my country to go kill innocent women and children

1602
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:55,639
Speaker 2: and then come and tell me to shut the f up.

1603
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:57,720
Speaker 2: He said, don't come begging for my money for my

1604
01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:59,599
Speaker 2: country and then go drop bombs on kids and cut

1605
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 2: off into people, water and electricity.

1606
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:03,640
Speaker 3: You have the audacity to pay to come see me

1607
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:05,600
Speaker 3: and then tell me to shut the f up. No,

1608
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 3: you shut the f up.

1609
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 2: The crowd started clapping and cheering for him and saying yes, Dave,

1610
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:13,560
Speaker 2: chance of free Pali side and said, damn right, free Palestine.

1611
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:15,879
Speaker 2: He went on a fifteen minute rant about being Muslim

1612
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:18,479
Speaker 2: and the Israelis are projecting what's wrong with them on Muslims,

1613
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:19,639
Speaker 2: and the crowd kept on cheering.

1614
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 3: It was surreal.

1615
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:23,679
Speaker 2: Crowd was a typical Boston demographic eighty percent white, five

1616
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 2: percent black, quote the rest Latin and others.

1617
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 3: So that's a eyewitness.

1618
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:30,599
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, we can't confirm this report.

1619
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 1: This is just floating around on social but I will

1620
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 1: say that does sound like Dave Chappellee.

1621
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 3: It's absolutely yeah.

1622
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1623
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:38,760
Speaker 2: I mean for though, for the inevitable of like why

1624
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 2: are you report? Listen Dave, And this is always a difficulty.

1625
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 2: He often veers in the direction of social commentary interspersed

1626
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 2: with his comedy. So what he does, that's what he

1627
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 2: and there's nothing wrong with that. That's what he's always done.

1628
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 2: I mean, he remember he did that entire special after

1629
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:58,679
Speaker 2: George Floyd that he put out like was that comedy?

1630
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 3: Like not really? You know, he's and that's fine. I

1631
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 3: have no problem with that.

1632
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 2: My point though, is that it's clear that this will

1633
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:08,080
Speaker 2: become a major lightning rod, not just for audiences, but

1634
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 2: how comedians and others are going to handle it, because

1635
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:13,599
Speaker 2: it just highlights like we're all trying to process something

1636
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:17,680
Speaker 2: together as a culture at the same time, and it invites,

1637
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of controversy. This is where I'm

1638
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 2: sure Dave is happy for the fact that nobody was

1639
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 2: recording or watching.

1640
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 3: The show while it was happening. Good for him.

1641
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 2: Honestly, I support that policy, but yeah, I do think

1642
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:31,600
Speaker 2: it shows the difficulty and also Dave is not a

1643
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 2: person to keep his mouth shug.

1644
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 3: He's going to say what he thinks, which I support.

1645
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a free I mean, yeah, he's.

1646
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:37,679
Speaker 3: A free man.

1647
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 1: He's going to do and say what he thinks, whether

1648
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 1: you agree or disagree. That's certainly been his his style

1649
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 1: from the beginning. I mean, if you go back and

1650
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 1: watch the very first Chappelle show and some of the

1651
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 1: stuff that he put on Eric. Oh god, this was

1652
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:54,640
Speaker 1: our first episode.

1653
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:55,639
Speaker 4: So even when he.

1654
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 1: Was under the like corporate brand, Dave Chappelle always very

1655
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 1: much a man for me. The reporting is that, you know,

1656
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:05,639
Speaker 1: this one individual says that there were chances of free

1657
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 1: Palestine in the audience was mostly backing him up. We

1658
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:09,760
Speaker 1: have no way of knowing without being in the room.

1659
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:11,640
Speaker 1: There are also reports that there were people who were

1660
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:15,760
Speaker 1: really angered and left because of the commentary and his

1661
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 1: response to the audience, and obviously somebody reportedly said, you know.

1662
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 4: Shut the f up, Dave, et cetera, et cetera.

1663
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:27,599
Speaker 1: I think it's a reminder of how hot and how

1664
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 1: incredibly emotional this issue is and how dangerous, I mean,

1665
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 1: talk about third rails in American politics getting on, you know,

1666
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 1: saying the quote unquote wrong thing, or as the ADL

1667
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:42,839
Speaker 1: dude said, not getting the story right on what's happening

1668
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 1: with Israel and what they're doing at Gaza right now.

1669
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 1: There is there is no cancel culture like this kind

1670
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 1: of cancel culture, and we've seen it in you know,

1671
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:54,720
Speaker 1: there have been multiple Palestinian conferences canceled now, one here

1672
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:57,839
Speaker 1: in Virginia very close to DC, one down in Texas.

1673
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 1: I believe in Houston, you've got Starbucks actually suing their union,

1674
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 1: Starbucks Workers United, because they put out some pro Palestinian thing.

1675
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:07,759
Speaker 4: You got people getting fired.

1676
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 1: You got some high level, like very well known, powerful

1677
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 1: agent in Hollywood who posted some pretty innocuous reposted actually

1678
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 1: some pretty innocuous stuff on Instagram, and she apologized and

1679
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 1: still got fired. So yeah, this is, you know, a

1680
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:27,720
Speaker 1: little bit of a glimpse. Dave Chappelle is wealthy and

1681
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 1: famous and whatever. He's going to say whatever the Holly wants,

1682
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 1: and no one is going to tell him to shut up,

1683
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 1: and he's going.

1684
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 4: To be just fine.

1685
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 1: But I do think it is a visceral illustration of

1686
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 1: how intense, how fraught, how emotional this issue is, and

1687
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 1: how for people who aren't Dave Chappelle, even someone who

1688
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:46,679
Speaker 1: was a high level agent in Hollywood, a CIA, how

1689
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 1: much saying the quote unquote wrong thing on this issue

1690
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 1: can have massive implications for you your personal life, your career, etc.

1691
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 3: Yes, well, said Crystal.

1692
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:57,679
Speaker 2: Also just for people who are wondering, if you even

1693
01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 2: try and mention Israel to me in a DM on

1694
01:22:59,880 --> 01:23:01,160
Speaker 2: it Instagram, I'm not going to see it.

1695
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 3: I've already had it filtered out, so I just wanted

1696
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:03,880
Speaker 3: to put that out.

1697
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 4: Boy.

1698
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I highly recommend a Crystal either are certain you

1699
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:09,720
Speaker 2: can block like any certain words or any of that.

1700
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 3: So I just have a list of things Israel and

1701
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 3: sign out. I'm in blissful ignorance. So I'm living my life, folks.

1702
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 2: I'm posting stories about the Museum of the American Revolution

1703
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 2: and George Washington's warten and that's the world that I've

1704
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:24,679
Speaker 2: decided to live in. Anyways, we just want to say

1705
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:27,639
Speaker 2: thank you for all your support over the last two weeks.

1706
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 3: Has been very difficult to report on the story.

1707
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:31,880
Speaker 2: We're still keeping our eye on as you saw with

1708
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 2: the Sydney Powell and the Trump news, not taking your

1709
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:36,639
Speaker 2: eye off that. We're working very hard on the focus group,

1710
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 2: working to bring you guys the best possible news. We're

1711
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 2: you know, on call waiting, making sure that we keep

1712
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 2: you everybody as up to date as possible, and we

1713
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 2: support wait. Thank you all again for your support, and

1714
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 2: we're going to see you all tomorrow.

1715
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 4: Actually Ryan will be in for me.

1716
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 3: Wow, that's right.

1717
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 1: Our first We'll see you and Ryan will see you,

1718
01:23:54,000 --> 01:24:00,600
Speaker 1: and I'll see you guys on Thursday.

1719
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 5: At ACTU,