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Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. Hi, everybody, Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Monday Morning Podcast. So. I had a buddy of mine

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Speaker 1: who I've known him forever, named Ron Ron Peeboy. I

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Speaker 1: used to work with him in Portland. He was the

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Speaker 1: weekend guy. I was the weekday guy, sports guy, and

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Speaker 1: he said, I bet I was. I would guess you

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Speaker 1: do eighty percent football talk now, and I get that

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Speaker 1: from time to time. People say, you know, you talk

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Speaker 1: a lot of football, folks. If I was in Canada,

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Speaker 1: I talk eighty percent hockey. And if I was in

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Speaker 1: London doing this, I talk eighty percent English Premier League.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't talk it if people didn't like it. And

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Speaker 1: I've said this before. I watch a ton actually of baseball.

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Speaker 1: I keep it on all summer. I've watched seven of

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Speaker 1: the ten Dodger games. I've watched four Yankee games. I

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Speaker 1: keep baseball in the television in my house all summer long,

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Speaker 1: and When I get in the car, I turn on

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Speaker 1: the radio and listen to baseball. But baseball doesn't promote

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Speaker 1: its stars, so I cannot put that on a simulcast.

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Speaker 1: It's ratings poison. Now in October I can or I

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Speaker 1: can talk about the Yankees and the Dodgers this week.

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Speaker 1: I'll have a Dodger on the show. Hopefully a Yankee soon.

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Speaker 1: But when people say that, I go, I know, I understand.

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Speaker 1: But if you own a grocery store, milk, eggs, and

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Speaker 1: bread is seventy five to eighty percent of what you sell.

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Speaker 1: Stand in a line, look around. We're all going up

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Speaker 1: there getting the same stuff. That's what you got to

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Speaker 1: talk about. So if you're ever frustrated, my takeaway is, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know. Last year seventy two percent of my show

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Speaker 1: was NFL college football or the Draft, which is a

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Speaker 1: combination of both. Here's the world I live in. The

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Speaker 1: NFL draft beats the NHL, NBA and baseball first and

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Speaker 1: off in second round playoffs. I wish I was kidding.

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Speaker 1: The NFL draft, drafting college football players into a sport

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Speaker 1: they've yet to play, will beat not just regular season games,

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Speaker 1: it'll trounce regular season hockey NBA baseball games. It will

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Speaker 1: beat first round playoff action and in hockey second round

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Speaker 1: playoff action. That's what I'm dealing with. In the end,

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Speaker 1: I talk about whatever you like. You peeps like football.

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Speaker 1: I mean, prime example, The Masters was a complete snooze.

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Speaker 1: So now we re enter a multiple year or perhaps

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Speaker 1: forever new era of tigerless golf. And watch the ratings

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Speaker 1: come out today for the Masters. They will be terrible.

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Speaker 1: So if they were great, I talk about it when

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Speaker 1: Tiger won, I talked about it this weekend snooze City.

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Speaker 1: It was good for about three minutes, and then the

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Speaker 1: chant was good on fifteen, wrapped it up and see

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Speaker 1: you next year. All right, let's bring on my buddy,

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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff, former NFL scout, knows his ship. That's why

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Speaker 1: I bring him on. Great, got to talk about drafts

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks out. Let's bring on John. All Right, Middlecoff,

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Speaker 1: you're a huge golf fan, So I'm gonna float a

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Speaker 1: theory to you. One of our producers, and Andrew Sampson,

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Speaker 1: throw this out. This is pretty interesting. So as a broadcaster,

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Speaker 1: you know, when it's a big day like Monday after

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, I'm ready to go. Now this year,

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Speaker 1: big difference between doing Tuesday Night with the Nuggets and

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Speaker 1: then the NBA Finals, and broadcasters aren't the same every night.

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Speaker 1: You try to be professional. But like Joe Buck and

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Speaker 1: So Sampson came up with this, and it's interesting. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you watched some of the Masters. I tried to

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Speaker 1: But the guys in the truck know when it's going

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Speaker 1: I think it's human nature to be spiteful after that

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Speaker 1: do we all believe if Josh Allen was in Minnesota,

424
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 1: they'd be better. They'd be ways of course, and Kirk

425
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,439
Speaker 1: Cousins part of it. It took him a long like

426
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 1: he's I give him credit. Last year he was pretty good.

427
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 1: He had one of the best rookie wide receivers we'd

428
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 1: ever seen. Dalvin Cook is probably a top two running

429
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,919
Speaker 1: back last year in the league. Yeah, yeah, feelings a stud.

430
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,200
Speaker 1: They have good tight ends. Their coordinators the last couple

431
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 1: of years have been good. They've just been a high

432
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 1: level offensive operating. Cousins is solid because it's also thirty

433
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 1: thirty one years old. He remember when he was like

434
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 1: twenty four twenty five, We're like, god, this guy, what

435
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 1: are we doing here? If you yeah, but Kirk Cousins

436
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 1: was a fourth round pick. If Mac looked like that

437
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 1: at twenty four to twenty five, and you go, wait,

438
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,400
Speaker 1: you just traded three first rounders for this guy. Part

439
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 1: of trading two first rounders for Matt Stafford is just

440
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,880
Speaker 1: knowing we got a guy that can do a lot

441
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 1: of different things, and you know that. Part of Mac

442
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 1: Jones is like you traded your life savings for that.

443
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 1: It is you know the other and now and let's

444
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 1: so let's say they do that. Let's say it goes

445
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, Sack Wilson and Mac Jones. So it's interesting.

446
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 1: I don't think Atlanta needs a quarterback and they obviously

447
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 1: are a mess defensively, but then Justin Fields from Georgia

448
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:59,360
Speaker 1: falls to four and there's gonna be media pressure, and

449
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 1: to me, I don't want to be in that spot

450
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 1: if I'm Atlanta and not take him. And I've said this,

451
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: sometimes in life you do something to protect yourself. Yeah right,

452
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 1: you just okay, you just you just you just protect

453
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: your career. You take you know, it's it's years ago.

454
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: I had Mark Warkin team told me this. If if

455
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,679
Speaker 1: you're a coin flip on an international player and a

456
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: guy that was great in March Madness, and you you're

457
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: scouting department as coin flip, you take the guy that

458
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: was great in March Madness because the owner watched him play.

459
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: The owner will be like, well, and then you can

460
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 1: go five years later and go you know, I mean

461
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: you saw him, he was unbelievable. The international guy bombs,

462
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 1: It's like you're gonna have to really fight for your

463
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 1: so you do it. If it's a coin flip, you

464
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: take the kid from Kansas over you know, the Ukrainian

465
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 1: forward if you think they're just even and I and

466
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 1: and I think it was I think it was Mark

467
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,719
Speaker 1: who talked about kind of the gamesmanship of who you

468
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: have to draft. And it may not have marked, but

469
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: it was. I was told that by somebody that if

470
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: it's a coin flip and the owner's barking at you,

471
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: take the guy the owner. Why well, it's why Justin

472
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: Fields right now is the easy pick for the Niners

473
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: would get. The fans would celebrate it, Atlanta would celebrate it.

474
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: To me, he has a little bit of an NBA

475
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: type feel to him. Ohio State five star. We've seen

476
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: him and he's talented. So no one's gonna hate it

477
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: on draft night now. But if Atlanta is not at

478
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 1: four they've traded out, yeah, then you can't say and

479
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: they and they get three firsts, nobody's gonna say anything

480
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: because there'll be a better football team. Arthur Smith, the

481
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 1: new coach, will make Matt Ryan better. And if you

482
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: get three four picks, So to protect yourself as a

483
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: general manager, I don't want to be at four and

484
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Speaker 1: Justin Fields is available. Your thoughts on that, I don't

485
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: hate it. I think that if you think Arthur Smith

486
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 1: is really good, and he was excellent the last couple

487
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 1: of years in Tennessee, like he was big time. You

488
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: feel with Matt Ryan and the offensive pieces you have,

489
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: and if you get the pick right at four, maybe

490
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: you could compete for the playoffs, right, you could compete

491
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: to win nine ten games, then no one will care.

492
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 1: That would be the way you would try to justify

493
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: it that our offense is going to be so good.

494
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: We get Arthur in here, if he's singing Matt Ryan's

495
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 1: praises that Matt Ryan I think has headed toward the

496
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: wrong you know, you know, his trajectory's pointing down, not

497
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: up anymore, which I think we've gotten spoiled with Tom

498
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: who's forty three and just keeps going strong like Philip Rivers,

499
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 1: Drew Breese like that's usually what it looks like at

500
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 1: thirty eight, thirty nine forty. Ben Roethlisberger like this is

501
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: I mean, when you were a kid at like thirty two,

502
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: they started getting old right in the seventies and the eighties.

503
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: Now it's like thirty nine, thirty eight, forty, Like that's

504
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: not normal. Now Matt Ryan's thirty five, you're gonna be

505
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: I think thirty six. Maybe you can justify he still

506
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 1: has some good football, but that would be risky because

507
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,479
Speaker 1: if it doesn't go well like you said, and you

508
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: did not take him, and you take let's say a

509
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: tackle or let's say you take Kyle Pitts and Matt

510
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 1: Ryan is just Matt and that kid goes someone trades

511
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: up and gets him and he's good. It's hard to

512
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: shake because back to the Niners, whoever you don't take

513
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: and goes after it. You saw last year with Miami

514
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: and Tua. That next guy is part of that kid's conversation,

515
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,479
Speaker 1: like part of Tua's conversation is Herbert, part of whoever

516
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: the Niners take the two guys they could have take.

517
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: If one of those two guys becomes good, is part

518
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 1: of the conversation. That's like the elephant in the room.

519
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: It's part of being at really high pick is usually sweet.

520
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: Players go after you and they get associated with your name.

521
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: We could have had so and so, and that's sometimes

522
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: gets coaches fired. You know, it's interesting, I was just

523
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: next year, this is a great quarterback draft. We all

524
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 1: know that next year is not a great quarterback draft.

525
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: Keidon Slovis is the quarterback at USC Yeah, many people

526
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 1: are saying he's one of the two best quarterbacks. Well,

527
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 1: slovis likable kid, throws a nice ball, does not have

528
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: a huge arm, is not a great athlete. His greatest

529
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: asset is he walked on as a true freshman and

530
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: just looked like he long no nervous feat. He's got

531
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: kind of a cool kind of unfazed by pressure. It's

532
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: very noticeable day for those guys I saw thrown at

533
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: the Pro day. I like that guy. Yeah, now he

534
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: gets hurt. Yeah, he's not a great athlete. He's got

535
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: an average arm. He's considered the number one or the

536
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: number two quarterback. JT. Daniels out of Georgia, who was

537
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: at USC is in the top three. He's done nothing right.

538
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: And I keep saying this. I was shocked more people

539
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: weren't in on Darnald. And my takeaway was, if you

540
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: were Washington or Chicago and you can't get one of

541
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: these guys, what's on the market next year? There's nothing.

542
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: Darnald would easily be the top quarterback in next year's draft.

543
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: He's twenty three. So when Carolina and I kind of

544
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: got that one right, I kind of predicted Carolina I

545
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: was surprised Washington didn't go after him. I was surprised Chicago,

546
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: I would surprise Denver. I mean your takeaway on Darnold

547
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: to Carolina. I think it's gonna work. To what level,

548
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think it'll work. I think

549
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: sometimes it probably works for any walk of life being

550
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: in a negative situation, whether it's you know, a bad

551
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: relationship that all your people in town know about, whether

552
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: it's a business that goes wrong, whether it's a situation

553
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: like the Jets that is just a dumpster fire. You

554
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: get associated with that, even if you might have been

555
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: somewhat innocent in the situation. Now, he made some bad

556
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: places throughout his time, but let's face it, the Jets

557
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: were an abomination their GM. Before Joe Douglas got there

558
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: was a laughing stock in the league. Adam Gaze became legitimate.

559
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: Like he didn't talk with other people, like how uncomfortable

560
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: from people that I talked to in that building. Of

561
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: just the way he operated was a joke. And you

562
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: put a guy who's a high level everyone likes him,

563
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: who's like best friends with Josh Allen, who again went

564
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: to a great place, a high functioning place, and it

565
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: has a lot of success. Now I'm not saying Darnold

566
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: has the same skill set. Josh is more talented, but

567
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: I think that that like he got like Adam Gae,

568
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: almost had the jet stink on him, where I've bet

569
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people just three years ago loved him.

570
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: Had maybe not top five grades, but let's say a

571
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: guy would have taken him no problem at pick twelve

572
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: or fifteen or whatever, and then just three years later, yeah,

573
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: we don't he's not worth the second round pick where

574
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: it's gonna come back to buy them because how often

575
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: do distressed assets go for cheap? And like, oh if

576
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: I could have bought that building, it was so cheap.

577
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean we all knew it. This guy

578
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: was right here, he was there to be had to me,

579
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna take Zach Wilson, who has spent his entire

580
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: life in Utah, who came out of nowhere. His first

581
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: two years weren't great. He had some character, would be strong,

582
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: but like Josh Rosen just bump heads with people, had

583
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: just a good self opinion right of himself and just

584
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: kind of cocky, and he's just gonna You're just gonna

585
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: take him out of a lifetime Utah guy. It's a

586
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: New York City, small Utah guy into BYU. So one

587
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: thing been protected, one thing for Sam Darnold. He had

588
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: no issues with dealing with New York right, it was

589
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: just the football situation. I got the mono. But I

590
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: mean that probably could happen to anybody. I think that's

591
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: a pretty bold move. And I talked to someone who

592
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: worked with Joe Douglas and I said, why would Joe

593
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: be so head over heels because Robert Salo is not

594
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: making this pick the gm is And he said, well,

595
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: Joe was born and raised in the Ravens culture, and

596
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: in the Ravens culture. Ozzie knew some Billick those years

597
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: with ray Lewis Edree. They draft sugs, even Flacco and

598
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: Kuombolden like they like cocky, They kind of like that.

599
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: And He's like, I bet Joe kind of likes that

600
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: about Zach Wilson. And it just shows you, like, depending

601
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: on how you kind of come up and then become

602
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: a GM we all look for different things in different players.

603
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at different things in players than

604
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: I would. It's just people we've been as we talked

605
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: and taught us the game and the way we think

606
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: about it, and he just likes that. I think it's

607
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: a huge stretch. On top of this, he played this

608
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: season typically by you as a good schedule, right, they're

609
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: playing a ton of Pack twelve schools. They just play powerhouse.

610
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: They have no problem playing anybody. Well, that wasn't possible

611
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: this year with Corona. They played a schedule full of

612
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: nobody's and he was the best player every time they

613
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: got in the field. That's a big projection. I mean,

614
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: there's a big difference between playing Brian Flores and Sean

615
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: McDermott in September than playing you know, Nevada and New

616
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: Mexico back to back weeks, right, and the pressure of

617
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: New York. There's also this. I had someone in the

618
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: league tell me this and it was a good point.

619
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: He said. Time zones are a big deal for rookie

620
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: players because if you're on if you're in Philly or

621
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: Washington or New York and things start going bad, well

622
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: if you want to call a guy, if you get

623
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: up and you got some time and you want to

624
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: call someone, well they're not up. Like your family, maybe

625
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: your ex girlfriend, maybe you're a good friends still on

626
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: the team, your times are all off. If it's six

627
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: o'clock and you're at home, well it's three o'clock. Your

628
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: buddy might be at practice, your dad's at work, or whatever.

629
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: It's harder to have that support system when you're three

630
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: time zones away from where you grew up, and it

631
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: can feel very lonely in these negative areas like negativity.

632
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: I live in the Bay Area, you live in LA.

633
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: It's not that negative about like the Lakers or the

634
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: Niners or the Giants. It's just it's easy. Well, people

635
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: are happier out west because the weather is better, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's in New York and Philly

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Speaker 1: and Boss. Oh, it's a big deal. Yeah, And I

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Speaker 1: think it can overwhelm these like in Utah it's happy

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Speaker 1: and you play at Cow or you play at USC

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Speaker 1: it's a happier place. You go out there, it's people

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Speaker 1: are pissed off, and I think it can overwhelm a guy.

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Speaker 1: You can feel isolated that there's no one. It's a

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Speaker 1: huge jump, and it's hard enough as it is. Right,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to make a jump from college football to

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Speaker 1: pro football. Well, just in a vacuum by itself. When

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Speaker 1: you start factoring all the other things. That's I think

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Speaker 1: that's a big stretch at two overall. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: you know, John, you know what the angry thing is funny,

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Speaker 1: So I always had here's one of my crazy theories.

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Speaker 1: So when I was out east for eleven years, one

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Speaker 1: of the richest communities in the East Coast is West

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Speaker 1: Palm in Florida. It's like the uber rich Marlago, that

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Speaker 1: kind of thing. I think that's where Jeffrey Lury conducted

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Speaker 1: all of his interviews for the Eagles. He has a

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Speaker 1: house there. Yeah. Yeah. And if you look at who

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Speaker 1: owns the houses, they are litigators, huge lawyers, so you're

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Speaker 1: fighting in court or their money guys. They're Wall Street

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Speaker 1: guys where there's a winner and a loser. I buy

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Speaker 1: a stock, you lose. It's very competitive out east. The

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Speaker 1: money comes from traditional combative industries out west. Where are

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Speaker 1: the richest places out west? You know Silicon Valley, you

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Speaker 1: know Medinah, Washington, Beverly Hills. Who owns houses there? Tech, Hollywood,

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Speaker 1: those are creation businesses. People are happier. West Coast money

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Speaker 1: big money from a half year place, Netflix, Hollywood, I mean,

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Speaker 1: go up and down, Microsoft, Google, bring your dog to work,

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Speaker 1: And I said this. When I was out east, it

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Speaker 1: was a lot of people my age thirty or forty.

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Speaker 1: They were chasing their grandfathers or their dad's dreams for them.

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Speaker 1: Out West, my buddies who have done well are chasing

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Speaker 1: their dreams. Yeah, they're going after what they want. And

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Speaker 1: it's interesting you mentioned that with Zach Wilson. Anger does

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Speaker 1: sell Boston, Philly, New York radio. Anger moves. You listen

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Speaker 1: to people calling those shows at three thirty in the afternoon,

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Speaker 1: blue collar guy is pissed. I turn on LA radio.

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Speaker 1: People are funny, They're happy, they're they're like, you get

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Speaker 1: genuinely funny calls. People aren't angry. Sounds weird. You sound like,

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Speaker 1: why are you so angry? At seventy four degrees today?

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Speaker 1: So it is interesting when you get into that tunnel

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Speaker 1: of anger in the East Coast, it can overwhelm you.

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Speaker 1: If you're a West Coast guy, I wouldn't have known.

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Speaker 1: You always hear about it, but until you live out there.

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Speaker 1: When I moved to Philly, i'd spent my whole life

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Speaker 1: in California. It's it's like a different country. Even though

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Speaker 1: we're all Americans, we're all taxpaying citizens. No, we don't

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Speaker 1: have that much in common. Now, if you're an aspirational individual,

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Speaker 1: you actually I know, I'm sure you can agree. You

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Speaker 1: appreciate some of the elements over there. There's some emergency

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Speaker 1: about everything, and I related a lot to certain elements

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Speaker 1: of the people. But there is an anger level that

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Speaker 1: is just does not parallel this area. And I think

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Speaker 1: Sportstock Radio. I remember just turning it on while I

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Speaker 1: was like in the office with the Eagles, and they

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Speaker 1: were just every it was relentless, win or lose. They

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Speaker 1: weren't happy just because you win and losses. They kind

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Speaker 1: of live for when you lose. On the West Coast,

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Speaker 1: if the Dodgers won seventy five games or or the

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Speaker 1: Golden State Warriors missed the playoffs, no one cares. You

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Speaker 1: know what it is, John, out here, it's not anger,

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Speaker 1: it's indifference. It's apathy. Yeah, So when you lose out West,

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Speaker 1: we'll just go to the beach. There's other stuff to do.

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Speaker 1: Like in Los Angeles, nobody's angry. It's just indifference. It's like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we don't care. There is pressure to win in LA

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Speaker 1: because people will stop coming to the stadium. But nobody's

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Speaker 1: taken signs. No. But I mean they're mad in La

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Speaker 1: or in San Diego because the Chargers left. But it's

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Speaker 1: not palpable. You don't feel it. See. I think that's

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Speaker 1: a benefit for Trevor Lawrence the Jags now that they

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Speaker 1: get a real coach, much softer landing spot than the

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Speaker 1: Jets for Trevor. You know, if Trevor was going to

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Speaker 1: fail in the NFL, the Jets situation, first time head coach,

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Speaker 1: it could be overwhelming the Jags least relevant team in

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Speaker 1: the league. Urban Meyer just even though he's never coached

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Speaker 1: in the league, he knows what he's doing. Much softer

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Speaker 1: landing spot. He actually got very lucky. I think that

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Speaker 1: it ultimately changed at the end of the season. He

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Speaker 1: didn't end up having to good in New York. All right, buddy,

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna have a cocktail. I'm playing wake up.

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Speaker 1: You know what I had to sit through a couple

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Speaker 1: of hours or that boring Masters Dodger win. It's great

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Speaker 1: talking any thanks for coming on. All right. That's my buddy.

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Speaker 1: John Middelcoff knows his stuff, knows his stuff. We have

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Speaker 1: Drew Rosenhouse, the super Agent's going to be on this week.

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Speaker 1: Oh then we have a really good guest, really good

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Speaker 1: guests coming up. I'm not going to give it to

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Speaker 1: you listen. There's no mystery. Why the hell would you listen?

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Speaker 1: Gotta give you some mystery, right, Life's better with mystery anyway.

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