WEBVTT - The Real Killer Season 3: Ep. 8, What About Bob? 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:01.359 A warning. 0:00:02.080 --> 0:00:06.640 This episode contains depictions of violence and conversations about suicide 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:11.520 that may be disturbing and triggering for some listeners. If 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:15.200 you are struggling with suicidal thoughts, please fast forward to 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:17.599 the end of this episode to find out where help 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:18.320 is available. 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:22.040 Who was Byron's alibi? 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:29.000 Kelly Moffitt is his alibi, Debbie Moffatt is his alibi. 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:33.320 Bram Nisley is his alibi. Tara McDowell is his alibi. 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:35.440 Evlyn Case's mom is his alibi. 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:39.920 Byron Case's attorney, Brian Russell, is naming all of the 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:44.920 people who he says can verify Byron's whereabouts after Anastasia 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:48.599 supposedly got out of Justin's car at Truman Road and 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:50.040 the I four thirty. 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:53.600 Five, so Don Rand is an alibi witness, the two 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:57.840 undisclosed witnesses at the other gas station are his alibi witnesses, 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:03.680 and there his alibi be because Anastasia was alive when 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:06.720 she got out of that car at Truman Rode in 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:11.360 I four thirty five, he was somewhere else the entire 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:13.920 rest of the night and has people to place him 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:16.840 somewhere else the entire rest of the night. If she 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:19.080 got out of the car. Byron didn't do it. 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:33.640 I'm Leah Rothman, this is the real killer. Episode eight? 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:46.399 What about Bob, Anastasia, Justin, Byron, and Kelly go out 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:52.120 that fateful night, Anastasia ends up dead. Justin commits suicide. 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:57.520 That leaves just Kelly and Byron. If we rule out 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.800 a stranger killing, which was what Byron's did, defense attorney 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:04.560 offered up as a possibility a trial, what makes the 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:10.480 most sense that Byron or someone else did it? Attorney 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:13.080 Brian Russell says he and the team believe they have 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:17.680 uncovered some information that could point to the someone else. 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:23.440 The other thing about Byron's case that really made me 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.600 go I don't think Byron did it is when I 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:31.040 was reading a report from Deputy Eperson that he wrote 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:34.320 the day after Anastasia was found. And this is a 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:39.400 four page handwritten report, which police don't usually take the 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:42.000 time to do a four page handwritten report unless it's 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:42.800 something important. 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:47.560 Remember, Deputy David Epperson is the first person to find 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:52.200 Anastasia's body at Lincoln Cemetery at three forty four am 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:56.760 on October twenty third, nineteen ninety seven. The next day, 0:02:57.160 --> 0:03:01.160 he comes into contact with Anastasia's dad, Bob Whitbule's Fugen, 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:03.160 and he writes a report about it. 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:08.800 Deputy Eperson records an interaction that he had with Bob 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:14.200 Whipple's Fugen where at a different cemetery, a cemetery called 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:18.040 Highland Cemetery, and mister Whipples Fugen shows up there and 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:21.560 says sees them and says, oh, I'm looking for Lincoln Cemetery. 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:25.000 I'm the father of the victim that was found there. 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:26.880 I just want to be close to where she was found, 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:32.280 which makes sense if you're a grieving father. But he 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:36.640 keeps asking Eperson if the crime scene looked like it 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:38.880 was tampered with, can you show me where a body 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:41.200 was found so I can be close to it. Eperson 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:44.640 politely tells him, well, I can't share that information with you, 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:46.600 but you should talk to the detectives if you want 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:49.760 that information. He says, can you tell me where Lincoln 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:52.520 Cemetery is. I've never been to Lincoln Cemetery before you. 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:57.680 So Epperson gives mister Whipples Fugen directions to Lincoln Cemetery 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:02.120 and then he uh follows him there a couple minutes later, 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:06.880 and when Eperson finds mister Whipples Fugen and Lincoln Cemetery. 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:10.600 He finds mister Whipples Fugen standing in the exact spot 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:15.720 where Eperson found Anastasia's body without anyone telling him where 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:17.960 her body was. And it was in that moment there 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:19.520 I was just like, well, Byron didn't do this. 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:23.880 I'm going to read from some of the report Deputy 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:28.039 Eperson wrote on October twenty fourth, at seven am, the 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:32.440 day after Anastasia was found murdered. He writes that he 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:35.360 and two other deputies were sitting at the entrance to 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:40.520 Highland Cemetery. Yes, there's a third cemetery in the area. 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:44.880 While sitting there, Eperson writes that Bob Whipples Fugen pulled 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:48.520 up in a quote blue four door Chevrolet Corsica with 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:52.080 damage to the front quarter panel on the driver's side. 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:55.839 He writes that Bob approached and said he was quote 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:59.280 the father of the murder victim found in Lincoln Cemetery 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:04.000 and he wanted to know if Highland Cemetery was Lincoln Cemetery. 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:10.120 Bob tells Eperson he's never been to Lincoln Cemetery. Eperson 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:13.280 tells Bob they're not the same, and he gives him 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:17.599 directions there. Bob then requests Eperson take him to the 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:21.000 place where the body of his daughter was found. Eperson 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:23.719 tells him he can't do that and that he should 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:28.800 contact the detective unit for a possible escort. Bob then 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:33.800 starts talking about the events prior to Anastasia's death. Bob 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:37.640 tells Eperson that his daughter had been emotionally disturbed for 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:41.760 the last several months and talked of suicide, but had 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:46.279 never acted on it. He describes his daughter as quote frisky, 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:49.440 and that she would never have been killed without a struggle, 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:52.760 and that she would die before ever letting anyone mess 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:56.680 with her. Bob states that her boyfriend was not violent 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:00.400 and he didn't believe he would kill her. Bob goes 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:02.560 on to tell Eperson that he had last spoken with 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:06.640 the boyfriend the night of October twenty second, around ten pm. 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:10.640 The boyfriend had told Bob he and Anastasia had been arguing. 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:13.120 She got out of the car at the stoplight at 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:16.920 Truman Road and the I four thirty five and began walking. 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:22.000 The boyfriend left her and went home. Epson writes that 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:26.040 mister Whitbeles Fuchen believed quote a stranger had picked her 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:28.400 up and told her that they would go to an 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:33.080 interesting place, a cemetery, and after getting to the cemetery, 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:37.960 the stranger shot her. Eperson notes that mister Whitbles Fugen 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:42.240 kept his composure through the conversation and continued making references 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:45.640 to the crime scene, stating quote, I hope they got 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:49.440 all of the evidence and did not miss something. According 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:52.240 to Epperson, Bob then says he's going to go to 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:57.240 Lincoln Cemetery and probably just quote walk the cemetery with 0:06:57.360 --> 0:07:01.679 his hand on the wall, thinking about my daughter. About 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.960 two minutes after he leaves, Eperson and the other deputies 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:07.640 decide to go to Lincoln Cemetery to check on Bob's 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:13.040 well being. When they arrive, Eperson writes, quote, upon approaching 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:16.240 the circle drive, I observed mister Whipple's Fugen to be 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:19.840 standing with his hands on his hips, standing directly over 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:23.800 the exact location where I had found Anastasia's body on 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:28.080 ten twenty three, ninety seven. Mister whipples Fugen was looking 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:32.480 at the ground for approximately five seconds before turning around 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:37.640 and seeing me. Eperson goes on to write quote, upon 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:41.560 seeing me, he appeared startled and turned around, walking very 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:45.400 quickly towards my police vehicle with his left hand talked 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:49.960 firmly in his pocket. Mister whipples Fugen approached me and asked, quote, 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:54.240 am I close? Eperson writes, referring to where the body 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:58.920 was found. Eperson details quote I again advised mister whipples 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:01.640 Fugen that he should come intact the detective unit for 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:06.400 specific information, and he spontaneously stated, what are you guys 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:09.640 doing following me? I'm not the bad guy. You guys 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:12.840 should be out looking for the bad guy exclamation point. 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.640 Here's Sean O'Brien, one of Byron's attorneys, you. 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.480 Know, and this is like the day after all of 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.600 the you know, activity around the crime scene. The crime 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:27.320 scene tape is down, all that's been removed, but he's 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:30.120 right there on the exact spot, and so, you know, 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:34.080 that's really suspicious, and nobody. 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:37.840 Here's Byron's attorney, Nicole Gordon. It's clear, and that report 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:43.400 that Eperson is suspicious Abob should have been you know, 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:47.800 fertile ground for kil Gore, but it just wasn't. Although 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:51.640 Eperson and one other deputy write reports about this interaction 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:57.439 with Bob, it seems Sergeant Gary Kilgore does nothing with it, okay, 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:03.280 let's first talk about Bob's Remember at the scene, investigators 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:06.680 discovered paint chips and broken glass on a tree not 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:11.040 far from where Anastasia's body was found. Here's Sean again. 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:18.079 Epperson notes in his report that he saw Bob's car 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:22.439 had damage to the front quarter panel, so he made 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:24.920 a note of that, of course he's aware of. He 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:26.240 also worked the crime scene. 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:28.320 Any broken glass on Bob's. 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:30.679 He didn't make a note of broken glass, about headlight 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:34.160 glass or anything, so that we don't know, and nobody 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:37.040 ever followed up the paint chips that were on the tree. 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:39.360 Those have been lost we were looking for. 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:43.520 Here's investigator Quinn O'Brien, also on Byron's team. 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:45.880 He's at the scene. The deputies who picked up the 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:49.320 paint chips in the autoglass said that the damage to 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:53.520 the tree looked fresh because everything was on top of 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:57.440 the grass, and you know, the paint was still on 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:57.960 the tree. 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:01.240 Were there any reports that noted what the paint chips were. 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:04.120 We were trying to find that for some reason. I 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:06.200 want to say that it's blue, but I don't know. 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:12.360 I know that they excluded Justin's car as having contributed 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:13.440 to the paint ships. 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:18.320 Justin's car was processed inside and out. I'm going to 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:22.560 read from the report written about that quote. A scrape 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:26.800 was present on the front passenger bumper. It was related 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:30.800 that this scrape occurred before this homicide. A light coating 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:34.120 of soil was present on the tires. This coating was 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:38.880 too light for collection. No accumulation of soil was observed 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.679 in any of the wheel wells. No obvious blood was 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:45.880 observed on the inside or outside of this vehicle. Luminol 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:49.200 was sprayed on the interior of this vehicle. No significant 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:53.319 activity with the luminol was observed indicative of the absence 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:57.760 of blood. It's noted that Sergeant Kilgore presented photographs of 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:00.880 tire tracks at the scene. They were compared to the 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:02.480 tires on Justin's vehicle. 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:03.520 Quote. 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.880 The tires on this vehicle did not match the tracks 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:10.840 in the photographs. When it comes to Byron's car, I 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:14.000 don't have any documentation that says it was processed and 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:18.200 or rolled out. Remember, there are conflicting reports of where 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:20.800 his car was that night. It might have been in 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:24.199 a shop, or it might have been parked at his mom's. 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:27.880 But because Bob took photos of Byron's car. I can 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:29.960 tell you it was white and it had a big 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:33.840 dent in the front bumper, no broken headlight glass. Though 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:37.360 you can see photos of Byron's car on the Real 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:44.720 Killer Podcast Instagram page, Bob's car was never examined. Okay, 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:50.240 going back to Deputy Eperson's report, because Bob has more 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:54.400 to say that day. Bob tells Eperson at eleven thirty 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:57.839 the night of October twenty second, while he was out 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:01.280 looking for Anastasia, he stopped at the gates of Mount 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:05.800 Washington Cemetery. Remember that's where Anastasia was dropped off to 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:09.800 meet Justin. Bob tells Eperson that the gate was locked, 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:12.680 and he pondered for a moment, hopping the fence to 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.400 go into the cemetery to search for his daughter because 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:20.160 he quote, since she was in real danger at that time. 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:24.440 Bob says he heard a loud gunshot, possibly from a 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:28.439 large caliber rifle, and he immediately turned in the direction 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:33.160 of the Cimarron apartments, believing the noise came from that direction. 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:39.080 Eperson writes, quote mister Whipplesfugen stated at that time he 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:43.400 clapped his hands together and yelled boom, there goes the neighborhood. 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:48.440 Mister Whipplesfugen then stated, at that time, I knew my 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:53.800 daughter was dead. Bob tells Eperson that he then began 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:57.920 driving back and forth on Truman Road searching for his daughter, 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:05.760 but never checked cemetery. Epperson continues to write, quote, I 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:10.440 observed mister Whipplesfugen's demeanor to change when he began talking 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:14.720 about the gunshot and described his actions upon hearing the gunshot. 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:18.360 He appeared to switch from grieving parent to excite it 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:24.199 and colorful describing in detail his emotion upon hearing the gunshot. 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:26.559 Here's Brian again about it. 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:30.880 He talks about hearing a gunshot and thinking I just 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.360 knew my daughter was dead at that point, and the 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:35.280 Cimarron apartments. 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:37.320 He mentions the Cimarron. 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:40.840 Correct, he doesn't mention Lincoln Cemetery, but if you put so, 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:43.520 he was when he claims that when he heard this 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:46.040 thing that sounded like a gun shot, he was at 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:50.520 the south gate to Mount Washington Cemetery and he heard 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:53.600 it coming from the direction of the Cimarin apartments. So 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:55.520 you know, when you look at it on a map 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.560 kind of you know, if he heard a gunshot from 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:02.520 that direction. Lincoln said pemetary is fair game, and hearing that. 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:05.800 I put a map of the area on the Real 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:09.559 Killer podcast on Instagram so you can see where Mount 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:14.200 Washington Cemetery is in relation to Lincoln Cemetery and the 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:18.240 Cimarron apartments. So Bob says, in that moment he hears 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:21.840 the gunshot, he feels he just heard the shot that 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:26.760 killed his daughter Anastasia. But that's at eleven thirty pm. 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:31.960 Kelly says Byron killed Anastasia sometime before nine PM, which 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.760 seems to check out because Kelly is home in time 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:39.720 for her curfew around nine nine thirty. Unfortunately, we don't 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:43.320 know Anastasia's time of death. I reach out to doctor 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:47.720 Thomas Young, the medical examiner who conducted the autopsy. First 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:50.520 he declines to be interviewed. Then I write him again 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.600 and ask if there's any way to determine even a 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:56.040 window of time for Anastasia's death. 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:58.560 He writes back, quote. 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:03.560 Time of death to terminations only work in detective fiction. 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:06.680 But I have a follow up question for doctor Young 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:10.920 because in his autopsy report he said that Anastasia's corneas 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:14.680 were clear, So I write asking him if her clear 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:18.280 corneas can tell us anything about the time of death. 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:24.440 Doctor Young never responds to that question. In my very 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:28.440 simple Google search of this, I find articles, including one 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:32.520 from the National Institutes of Health that says within two 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:36.560 to three hours after someone dies, the corneas start to 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:40.040 get cloudy. If the eyes are open, the clouding happens 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:43.080 much faster than if the eyes are closed. Based on 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:47.240 the crime scene photos, Anastasia's left eye was open, her 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:52.200 right eye was closed. So if Anastasia's corneas were clear 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:57.880 when the autopsy was performed, which was around nine thirty am, 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:01.040 then what does that mean in terms of when she 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.840 was killed. Could Bob have heard the shot that killed 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:10.560 Anastasia at eleven thirty pm or did she die sometime 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:15.560 before nine pm? When Bob says that he hears a gunshot, 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:17.200 does he go toward it? 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:21.000 I believe he says he drove up and down Truman 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:24.240 Road after hearing that, which means he would have driven 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:28.160 past one of the entrances to Lincoln Cemetery, the very 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:32.640 entrance that Kelly later says they used to go into 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:37.120 Lincoln Cemetery. But mister Whippleschugen says of a you know 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:41.040 everywhere I went last night. I went everywhere but Lincoln Cemetery. 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:45.280 Basically, Bob says he has an alibi right that he 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:50.040 gets off work at six o'clock and goes to John 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:55.120 Fisher's house. Bob told Sergeant Kilgore after work on the 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:58.680 twenty second, he stopped off at his friend John Fisher's 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:01.400 house for a meeting because he was supposed to run 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:04.480 as a team member in a marathon in Kansas City. 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:09.520 How closely did investigators look into Bob's alibi. 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:14.160 They didn't. There's no report of them interviewing John Fisher. 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:18.399 I reach out to who I believe is the correct 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:20.920 John Fisher, but have yet to hear back. 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:22.919 Here's Quinn. 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:26.320 It has always bothered me and a lot of other 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:32.320 people that Bob Whitbolsphugen places himself everywhere that night except 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:37.240 exactly where Anastasia's body was found. It also bothered Deputy 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:41.879 Eperson enough that Bob was found exactly in the spot 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:46.600 where his daughter's body was lying the next day before 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:50.159 anyone had told him that's where Anastasia's body was. He 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:54.800 thought that was suspicious. I agree. Also when they ask 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:58.959 Bob if he keeps guns in the house or if 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:01.280 he has guns. He says, I don't keep guns in 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:05.160 the house. The next question the deputy should have asked 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:07.320 him was, Okay, where do you keep your guns? 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:11.719 Because so I reach out to Bob via email and 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:15.880 he agrees to be interviewed. You should know that he 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:19.960 is currently in prison. I'll tell you why he's there 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:24.280 very soon. When we speak, Bob makes it clear he 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:27.159 doesn't want to talk so much about the investigation. He 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:29.920 really wants to keep the conversation to talking only about 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:35.560 Anastasia's life, death, and Byron's guilt. I record four calls 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:38.280 with him, some of which you've heard in episodes one 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.920 and two, but the connection isn't great. So I ask 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:45.119 if we can do a proper interview arranged by the prison, 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:47.199 where he can be in a quiet room on a 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:51.760 phone line with a cleaner connection. Bob says yes. Then 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:54.399 I write again, trying to nail down a day and time. 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:58.040 He offers up some options, but then also says he 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:00.960 no longer sees the need to talk with me. I 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:03.760 reach out to him a few more times, he stops 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:09.600 responding altogether. Obviously, I have one thousand questions for Bob. 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:12.919 Among them, I'd like to know what he thinks about 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:16.480 Deputy Eperson's report, and I'd like to know more about 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:20.560 the investigation he was conducting at the same time Kilgore 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:25.199 was conducting his. I hope we will be able to 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:27.120 connect again sometime soon. 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:29.119 Here's Nicole again. 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:34.240 Bob inserts himself and the investigation pretty early. I cannot 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:39.800 pretend to know what his motive was or why he 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:43.280 did that. It could be a number of reasons. He 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:46.600 could be trying to attaint the investigation. He could have 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:51.399 a personality disturbance that would cause him to do something 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:54.679 like this, or he could want the attention. Or he 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:56.399 could be a grieving father, or he could be a 0:19:56.400 --> 0:20:02.800 grieving father, or he could be a suspect. You know, 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:07.760 there's a handful of reasons why someone would involve themselves 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:12.480 so heavily and an investigation, and I really don't know why. 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:13.840 Here's Sean. 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:16.760 Yeah, I'm not going to judge a man who just 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:21.080 lost his daughter. If something happened to either of my daughters, 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:26.160 I would probably be involved in trying to figure out 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:28.800 what happened. I would want answers. I don't fault them 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:31.159 with it all, but I don't think I would be 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:37.600 as weird as Bob in going about it and distrusting 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:41.520 and paranoid about the detectives and their motives, you know. 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:45.000 But he does have some legitimate beefs about the quality 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:46.119 of this investigation. 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:49.480 And there is something interesting that happens in the course 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:54.960 of the investigation between Bob and Kelly. We mentioned this 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:58.439 briefly in episode five. Here's Nicole. 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:03.040 Kelly reached out to Bob up through email and let 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:05.200 him know that she was sorry for what had happened. 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:08.400 Her story was the same, I mean, at this point, 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:12.520 according to her, Anastesia got out of the car. Everyone's 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:15.200 story is a line, and she just wants to tell 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:17.240 Bob that she's sorry for what happened. 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:19.560 And she asked me, I'm going to read you. 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:23.639 Kelly's email dated May twelfth, nineteen ninety eight. This is 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:29.560 roughly seven months after Anastasia's murder. Kelly writes, quote, dear 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:33.439 mister Whipples Fugen, I don't even know how to begin this. 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:38.400 I'm Kelly Moffatt, Byron's girlfriend. I just wanted to talk 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:41.040 to you about everything that has gone on. No one 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:44.120 else in my life knew Anastasia and Justin or they 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:47.200 don't want to talk about it. I have blocked everything 0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:50.600 out for some time. I pretty much severed all ties 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:53.040 with that part of my life. I guess I was 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:54.840 hoping it was all a bad dream that I would 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:58.880 wake up from. I know now that I won't wake up, 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:02.600 and I need to talk to someone. I miss Anastasia 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:05.800 and Justin so much. I'm not going to try and 0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:09.040 pretend that Anastasia and I were best friends. But I 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:12.800 liked her and we had fun together before her death. 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:15.400 I got to see what Anastasia was like on her own. 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:18.320 We would have girl talk on the phone and whine 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:23.000 about our boyfriends. She was always sarcastic and witty. I 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:27.000 think we could have been great friends. For the first time, 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:30.080 I feel I have really mourned her loss and am 0:22:30.119 --> 0:22:33.919 now realizing that she is gone. It hurts a lot, 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:37.439 and I feel that I'm grieving alone. Byron has a 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:40.880 tendency to block things out. He has hardly ever spoken 0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:45.560 of his loss of Justin, Anastasia, and his father. When 0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:48.399 I bring it up, he grows quiet and upset or 0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:52.000 ignores it. He is dealing with things in a very 0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:55.560 unhealthy manner. But I can't make him see it. I 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:58.080 would appreciate it if we could get together and talk. 0:22:58.640 --> 0:22:59.959 It would mean a lot to me if we can 0:23:00.200 --> 0:23:05.159 swap stories and help each other through this. Sincerely, Kelly, 0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:08.640 and then they continue talking right right. 0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:12.439 There's an exchange between she and Bob that goes on 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:16.600 for a couple of months. At one point they talk 0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:20.359 about an arrangement to meet, and Bob says that he 0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:22.000 thinks it's best for them to meet in a quiet 0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:25.200 place that he is hard of hearing, but that he 0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:28.640 would let Kelly decide. Does anything come of we don't know, 0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:31.560 not through email, it doesn't. 0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:33.440 We don't know if they ever met. 0:23:34.160 --> 0:23:38.320 The team says, once again, it's the timeline that raises 0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:43.520 some questions, specifically how Bob and Kelly talking might relate 0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:47.359 to Sergeant Kilgore's letter to Bob in August of nineteen 0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:52.000 ninety eight. Remember, kil Gore wrote basically, a stop harassing 0:23:52.040 --> 0:23:53.800 me and don't come to me if you don't have 0:23:53.880 --> 0:23:55.520 something new and viable. 0:23:55.760 --> 0:23:57.920 Letter. Here's Sean again. 0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:03.000 Now there is a place where Sergeant Kilgore in his 0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:06.119 letter saying listen, I've had enough for you. 0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:06.359 You know. 0:24:07.160 --> 0:24:10.399 That's the tone of the of the letter that he 0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:14.320 sends kill Gore says, we have exhausted our leads in 0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:18.280 this case. We don't have anywhere else to go. I mean, 0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:20.840 if you have something, bring it to us. And of 0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:26.120 course it's after that that Kelly then changes her story, 0:24:26.400 --> 0:24:30.520 and you know, by her own statement in that conversation 0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:34.959 that was recorded between her and Byron, says, Anastagia's creepy 0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:38.720 dad has been calling and emailing me and bugging me about. 0:24:38.440 --> 0:24:39.280 This, you know. 0:24:39.480 --> 0:24:43.160 So I think it's huge that he was involved in 0:24:43.200 --> 0:24:44.160 this investigation. 0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:48.719 So here are the dates surrounding all of these events. 0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:52.560 It seems Kelly's first email to Bob is on May twelfth, 0:24:52.680 --> 0:24:57.080 nineteen ninety eight. The few emails go through May, she 0:24:57.119 --> 0:25:00.040 writes again in early July. What happens after that? 0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:01.119 I don't know. 0:25:01.880 --> 0:25:04.639 By the way, Kelly may have written Bob and wanted 0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:09.080 to quote swap stories for a purely innocent reason because 0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:12.280 she was hurting and simply needed to connect with someone 0:25:12.280 --> 0:25:17.680