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Speaker 1: Welcome into another edition of Jaguars Reporters. After a Jaguars

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Speaker 1: loss to the San Francisco forty nine Ers, safety Shadwick,

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Speaker 1: Kai Stevens, Brian Zexton, John Ozer thirty four three All Niners,

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Speaker 1: all day long.

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Speaker 2: Ki, And you know we've seen this a couple of

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Speaker 2: times before, the Doug Peterson are the blowout loss in

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Speaker 2: Detroit last year, they win the last five of the

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Speaker 2: regular season, and then of course this year in Houston,

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Speaker 2: or when Houston came to town, when Jaguars won the

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Speaker 2: next five after that. So hey, it makes sense that

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Speaker 2: they're going to win five more after this.

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Speaker 3: One, right, we hope, so hope It's a hard reset game.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the dreary weather has carried over from Sunday

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Speaker 3: to this for a little longer than maybe you would

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Speaker 3: before you turn the page, because you need to feel it.

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Speaker 3: Because there was a lot of problems on Sunday that

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Speaker 3: they need to address, and some of them are repeated

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Speaker 3: problems that they've been dealing with the entire season, and

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Speaker 3: some of them were you know, self caused errors. As

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Speaker 3: Doug Peterson would say. But that's stuff that we were

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Speaker 3: saying after that Texans game he mentioned, And how many

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Speaker 3: games can you have that where it's like, oh, we

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Speaker 3: just let it get away. You need to be able

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Speaker 3: to pinpoint those issues and not have the repeated same

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Speaker 3: mistakes if you're.

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Speaker 4: Looking for something to hang your hat on this morning,

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Speaker 4: and I know a lot of Jaguars fans are. The

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Speaker 4: Niners took apart the Cowboys on Sunday Night Football Week

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Speaker 4: five when we were in London, and Tony Dungee was

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Speaker 4: here two days later to do an event and he

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Speaker 4: told me he hadn't seen a team dismantle a team

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Speaker 4: that thoroughly in a long time. And then the Cowboys

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Speaker 4: have gone on to win three of four and they

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Speaker 4: played really well in Philly and maybe if Dak doesn't

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Speaker 4: put his foot out of bounds on that two point conversion,

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Speaker 4: they win. Same thing with the Lions right thirty eight six,

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Speaker 4: their doors were blown off in Baltimore, and that was

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Speaker 4: a marquee game that week. Everyone was pointing to that game.

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Speaker 4: And since then they've come back to beat the Raiders

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Speaker 4: on Monday Night Football and they won a big game

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Speaker 4: over the Chargers. At the end of the ball game.

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Speaker 4: You can rebound from this, and you better because you

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Speaker 4: have the Titans and the Texans and JP, I think

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Speaker 4: the division title is on the line the next two weeks.

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Speaker 4: Good news is that was your goal. Win the division,

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Speaker 4: host a home playoff game all right there in front

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Speaker 4: of you. You win the next two This one kind

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Speaker 4: of fades quickly because you'll be eight and three and

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Speaker 4: in a good spot.

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Speaker 5: Well. The biggest truth in the NFL, and it's everybody

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Speaker 5: forgets it every year and there's examples every year. What

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Speaker 5: Brian talked about the week to week league thing is

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Speaker 5: a cliche because it's been true forever. It remains true.

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Speaker 5: Jarard's have been exceptionally good, as JP pointed out, at

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Speaker 5: responding and playing well under Doug Peterson after an embarrassing loss.

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Speaker 5: There's nothing to indicate that they won't be able to

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Speaker 5: do that again. The exception to that being the offensive

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Speaker 5: line and the offense showed some things yesterday that can't

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Speaker 5: continue going forward, and we're going to talk about the

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Speaker 5: offensive line the offense a little bit more. That has

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Speaker 5: to be consistent, more consistent moving forward. If they're going

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Speaker 5: can replicate the five game winning streak without a little

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the second lowest yarda chop put in

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Speaker 1: the Doug Peterson era. Only the Philly game last year

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Speaker 1: four giveaways. But let's get right to that offensive line.

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Speaker 1: This was the starting five that they really had imagined

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Speaker 1: where they had everybody together. He's finally back in there.

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Speaker 1: And then they they're facing this front for San Francisco

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Speaker 1: that is right there near to the top of the league.

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Speaker 3: Jump.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it seemed like that was maybe a perfect

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Speaker 5: So you know I think formidable task. Yeah, sure, I

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Speaker 5: so I anticipate that improving. And I'm not sure they

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Speaker 4: Well, a lot of people are really excited to hear

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Speaker 4: you say that because their lasting memory of yesterday's game

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Speaker 4: is that offensive line sure just folding under the pressure.

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Speaker 4: And again, I think we talked about this last week.

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Speaker 4: They had two hundred and two million guaranteed dollars with

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Speaker 4: and they're really good. That's the hard part is that

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Speaker 4: it looked like they just couldn't even compete upfront. They

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Speaker 4: this year. They've gotten great play from ETN, but on

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Speaker 4: You know, the line doesn't play well, and they haven't

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Speaker 4: played well all year long. They've played better than that,

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Speaker 4: but they haven't played well, and then the quarterback's process

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Speaker 4: be anyway, He wasn't great. It's just a bad all

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Speaker 3: I think it doesn't help certainly that the offensive line

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Speaker 3: they're gonna get much better, I don't know, but you

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Speaker 2: No, certainly didn't work yesterday.

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Speaker 1: For sure, we'll come back in a moment, and hey,

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Speaker 1: the defense, we'll get to their day because they didn't

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Speaker 1: have much of a good day either, and we'll look

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Speaker 1: ahead to the Titans as well. It's Jaguars Reporters. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the Jaguars Reporters podcast. JP Shadick, John Ojebrian

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Speaker 1: Sexs and Kay Stevens. After a Jaguars loss to the

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Speaker 1: forty nine ers, we've broken down the offense. Now it's

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Speaker 1: about this Jaguars defense. It was really kind of leading

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Speaker 1: and third down they were getting better as it went.

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Speaker 1: And yesterday happened in San Francisco. You know, first four plays, touchdown, bang,

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Speaker 1: that's a three score game, all the sudden ki And

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Speaker 1: that was a San Francisco team that early in the

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Speaker 3: This defense has been about stopping the run, letting them

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Speaker 3: of them, and creating turnovers. And they didn't do any

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Speaker 3: You know, when they're in the red zone either, so

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Speaker 4: Their big guys made plays. Ayuk Deebo Samuel is an

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Speaker 4: Their personnel is great, and we talked about it last week.

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Speaker 4: You got to do your job. Mike Caldwell would have

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Speaker 4: that's the way they play, and if they get an

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't worry very much about the defense after

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Speaker 5: that game, and I'll tell you why they got down

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Speaker 5: they sort of played the way they've been playing so far.

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Speaker 5: I get no takeaways when you're down ten to nothing

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Speaker 5: just not going to give you anything press. Taylor mentioned

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Speaker 5: the first series of that game, Logan Cook has a rare,

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Speaker 5: The win sort of goes out of your sales with

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Speaker 5: the Christian Kirk turnover, and I think it just so

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Speaker 5: I think this defense will be fine moving forward if

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Speaker 5: the offense can give it field position help, not putting

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Speaker 5: it's going to be good enough all season if the

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Speaker 4: We talked about the domino effect. Right, the offensive line

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Speaker 4: and the same thing on the defensive side. You took

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Speaker 5: Which happens as we've all seen before. We've all seen

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Speaker 5: But that felt like that to me defensively in the

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Speaker 4: And it's funny how perception becomes reality. Option is Devin

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Speaker 4: that one play and if you watch it closely, Kittle

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Speaker 5: The NFL is, they're such a weird game. The forty

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Speaker 5: about it. The first forty nine Ers touchdown probably shouldn't

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Speaker 5: Both field goals in the second half snuck in, I

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Speaker 5: then the Kittle touchdown. Trayvon Walker has a great rush.

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Speaker 5: They collapsed the pocket and again you just sort of

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Speaker 5: But that's the game of Inch's element in the NFL

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Speaker 5: that if maybe one of those goes different. The problem

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Speaker 5: was the Jaguars offense. You know, did you ever get

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Speaker 5: a feeling outside of maybe the Christian Kirk passed to

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Speaker 5: feels like the fours had. It feels like the forty

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, on the on the pass play that

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Speaker 4: wide open. I mean it was That's an example of

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Speaker 4: That was the day it was difficult. They made it

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Speaker 1: Up next week eleven, the Tennessee Titans come to town

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Speaker 1: here at EverBank Stadium, and it's the first meeting between

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Speaker 1: these two. They'll meet again in week eighteen to wrap

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Speaker 1: up the regular season up in Nashville. Of course, the

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Speaker 1: Jaguars swept the Titans last year. Kai but so different Titans.

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden, new quarterback in there, the running

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Speaker 1: that's about all they have these days. It feels like

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Speaker 3: And Mike Frable is always dangerous. That's why the Titans

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Speaker 3: that's going to be a problem at the end the

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Speaker 3: they're going to have one of those bounce back games

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Speaker 3: This would be a good time to have that, especially

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Speaker 3: and it'll probably have a bigger impact then we may

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Speaker 3: then the division's really up for grabs in that Texans game,

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Speaker 3: and that's a entirely different place than we were maybe

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Speaker 4: You know, I would have been a little stressed by

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Speaker 4: the hamstring injury to Tyson Campbell. He's problematic because you

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Speaker 4: the post game yesterday. He's just sort of nonchalant, like, yeah, whatever,

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Speaker 4: you know, twenty to six we lost. He went there

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Speaker 4: to play with Ryan Tannehill and Derek Henry at a

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Speaker 4: looks bored by it all transitions to the best way

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Speaker 4: you know, it looks like the second coming. But if

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Speaker 4: the Jaguars come out hungry, the sense of urgency, I mean,

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Speaker 4: I used the term desperate. I asked Ug Peterson in

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Speaker 4: And he didn't. He didn't like that. He said, that's

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Speaker 4: they play hungry, they should beat the Titans on Sunday.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm always the first person to say you always

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Speaker 5: how they play under Varibel, the Jaguars will win this

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Speaker 5: that doesn't always matter. So the way this team played

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Speaker 5: on Sunday, you can't play that way. But this matchup

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Speaker 5: and they should set up a big time game the.

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Speaker 1: Following week, no doubt about that. This week it's the

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Speaker 1: Jaguars and the Titans at EverBank Stadium one o'clock kickoff

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Speaker 1: time this Sunday. Kay Stevens, Brian Sexton, John Osher, I'm

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Speaker 1: JP Shadwick. Thank you for listening to The Jaguars Reporter.