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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Steph you missed in history Class from how

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff Works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm three Cbe Wilson and I'm Holly fry So. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of people think concerns about immigration

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<v Speaker 1>are a recent phenomenon. I mean definitely in the United State,

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<v Speaker 1>which is where we live and can talk about from experience,

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe in other nations too, but definitely in the US, right,

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<v Speaker 1>people don't think of this is a thing that's been

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<v Speaker 1>around for a long time. Yeah, I think there's a

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<v Speaker 1>prevailing thought that, uh, you know there colonists came and

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<v Speaker 1>that was the big immigration thing, and then there was

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<v Speaker 1>this big gap and now we're all arguing and worried

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<v Speaker 1>about it again. Yeah, it's been like the last I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, thirty or forty years. So in a in away,

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<v Speaker 1>in a way, it definitely is a new concern for

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<v Speaker 1>people because for about a hundred and fifty years after

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<v Speaker 1>the nation was founded, there weren't really any immigration laws. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>if you could get here, you got to live here.

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<v Speaker 1>That was basically how it worked until um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteenth century. So back in the late seventeen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 1>the country didn't really seem to care about about immigration.

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<v Speaker 1>But to look at another way, it is not a

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<v Speaker 1>new concern at all, because the United States started passing

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<v Speaker 1>immigration laws and a lot of them were targeted at

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<v Speaker 1>immigrants from specific countries in the eighteen sixties. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is both a really new idea given the whole history

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<v Speaker 1>of the United States as a nation uh and a

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<v Speaker 1>really old one given that it's been around for more

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<v Speaker 1>than a hundred and fifty years. So that whole division

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<v Speaker 1>between like legal and illegal immigration is simultaneously new and old.

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<v Speaker 1>And today's story or today's story is part of that

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<v Speaker 1>centuries long story. Because for parts of the twentieth century,

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<v Speaker 1>the United States and Mexico had agreements in place that

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<v Speaker 1>we're allowing and even encouraging Mexican nationals to enter the

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<v Speaker 1>United States to do agricultural work and other labor, mostly

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<v Speaker 1>in the American Southwest. And one specific program called the

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<v Speaker 1>Brissero program was launched during World War Two to address

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<v Speaker 1>a labor shortage um as American men were needed for

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<v Speaker 1>the war effort. But an unintended side effect of this

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<v Speaker 1>program that was about legally coming to the United States

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<v Speaker 1>to work was this huge increase in the number of

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<v Speaker 1>people who were crossing the border from Mexico illegally, and

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<v Speaker 1>these illegal entries reached a point that the government implemented

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<v Speaker 1>another program, which I'm gonna make it clear this is

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<v Speaker 1>not an acceptable word to use today, but it is

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<v Speaker 1>literally what the program was named. It was called Operation

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<v Speaker 1>Wetback to deport Mexican nationals and huge groups. So the

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<v Speaker 1>intertwined stories of these two government programs is what we

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<v Speaker 1>are going to talk about today. And before nineteen ten,

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<v Speaker 1>there was simply not a lot of regulation of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States border with Mexico. People pretty much crossed back

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<v Speaker 1>and forth as they pleased. And as agricultural industry started

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<v Speaker 1>to really grow in the Southwest, these industries started to

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<v Speaker 1>really rely on this readily available and seasonal workforce that

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<v Speaker 1>was coming in from Mexico in the nineteen twenties. This

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<v Speaker 1>also became true of other industries in the American West

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<v Speaker 1>and Southwest as well, including railroads and mining. But today

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking mostly about agriculture, so using Mexican nationals as

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<v Speaker 1>a source of labor basically came with some benefits. Agricultural

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<v Speaker 1>work and a lot of places is highly seasonal and

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<v Speaker 1>for the most part, migrant workers who were US citizens

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<v Speaker 1>were traveling as families. They would spend the year moving

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<v Speaker 1>from place to place as a family for the most part,

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<v Speaker 1>spending a lot more time looking for work than actually working,

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<v Speaker 1>and when there was work, it was usually worked that

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<v Speaker 1>the whole family did it, including the children, and an

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<v Speaker 1>effort to try to make enough money to last them

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<v Speaker 1>for the rest of the year. So that's not an

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<v Speaker 1>ideal situation in a lot of ways. Mexican workers, on

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<v Speaker 1>the other hand, tended to be young men traveling in

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<v Speaker 1>groups with other young men. A group of young men

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<v Speaker 1>was overall a lot more efficient than a family with children,

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<v Speaker 1>and on the more exploitive side of things, many were

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<v Speaker 1>willing to accept lower wages than what was considered standard

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<v Speaker 1>among Americans. Because of a limited proficiency with the English language,

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican nationals were often unaware of laws or standards that

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<v Speaker 1>could protect them in their work, and as a result,

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<v Speaker 1>there were a lot of growers and farmers in the

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<v Speaker 1>American West and Southwest who were willing to overlook the

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<v Speaker 1>issue of whether a person had come into the United

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<v Speaker 1>States legally or not in order to get cheap, easy

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<v Speaker 1>to exploit labor. By the early nineteen twenties, though an

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<v Speaker 1>increasing number of people were starting to think of this

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<v Speaker 1>basically open border in the way it affected the labor

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<v Speaker 1>pool is a big problem. Large farms were driving down

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<v Speaker 1>their own costs by employing large numbers of Mexican migrant

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<v Speaker 1>workers at a really low rate of pay, and small

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<v Speaker 1>farms considered themselves to be at a big financial disadvantage.

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<v Speaker 1>As a result, labor organizations started tacitly excluding Mexican workers

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<v Speaker 1>when they formed unions, and also started using their political

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<v Speaker 1>clout to lobby the government for more enforcement along the

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<v Speaker 1>border and to put a stop to immigration from Mexico.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen twenty four, the United States formally established the

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<v Speaker 1>Border Patrol as part of the Labor Appropriation Act. As

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<v Speaker 1>the US government started taking steps to secure the Mexican

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<v Speaker 1>border and curtail illegal immigration in the nineteen twenties, local

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<v Speaker 1>communities and states began taking steps to regulate their own

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican population as well. As we've discussed in our podcasts

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<v Speaker 1>on Mendoes versus Westminster and Macario Garcia, much of the

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<v Speaker 1>Southwest and West approached its Hispanic and Latino population in

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<v Speaker 1>much the same way most of the rest of the

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<v Speaker 1>Nation did its black population through segregation, which was reinforced

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<v Speaker 1>either through laws or through social customs in places with

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<v Speaker 1>large Mexican and Mexican American populations. Discrimination was widespread and

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<v Speaker 1>socially accepted by much of the Anglo community during the

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<v Speaker 1>Great Depression, which lasted roughly a decade beginning in nine nine,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Dust Bowl, which was a devastating period of

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<v Speaker 1>drought and dust storms that struck much of the Southwest

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<v Speaker 1>and Great Plains during the same time, life was pretty

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<v Speaker 1>hard for pretty much everybody in the region, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was especially hard for people of Mexican descent. The Anglo

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<v Speaker 1>community was increasingly hostile towards Mexican migrants, viewing them as

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<v Speaker 1>unnecessary competition for incredibly scarce jobs. The industries that had

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<v Speaker 1>been relying so heavily on Mexican labor for so long

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<v Speaker 1>increasingly tried to exp blued Mexicans from their workforce during

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<v Speaker 1>the Great Depression. Prior to the Great Depression, the United

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<v Speaker 1>States and Mexico had been working together to find ways

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<v Speaker 1>to send Mexican nationals who were in the US illegally

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<v Speaker 1>back to Mexico. During the Great Depression, those efforts increased,

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<v Speaker 1>President Herbert Hoover ordered the Department of Labor to work

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<v Speaker 1>out a deportation program. The Mexican government tried to identify

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<v Speaker 1>its citizens who were in the United States and in

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<v Speaker 1>many cases paid for their return to Mexico. Also, due

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<v Speaker 1>to the Great Depression, Mexico was facing its own labor shortage,

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<v Speaker 1>so part of the reason it paid to repatriot its

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<v Speaker 1>citizens was to try to fill that labor shortage. Between

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<v Speaker 1>nine and ninety five, about eighty five thousand Mexicans voluntarily

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<v Speaker 1>returned to Mexico and another four hundred thousand words deported

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<v Speaker 1>or repatriated, depending on how you want to look at it.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of the ones who tried to return to the

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<v Speaker 1>United States during the Great Depression were turned away at

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<v Speaker 1>the board, which at this point was a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>secure that it had been earlier than the nineteen twenties. However,

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<v Speaker 1>things shifted dramatically once again during World War Two. The

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<v Speaker 1>draft applied to all men residing in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>whether they were citizens or not. Roughly seven hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty thousand Hispanic men saw some sort of active service

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<v Speaker 1>in the war, and with so many men serving in

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<v Speaker 1>the war, the job market changed dramatically in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>many men who had held agricultural jobs went to serve

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<v Speaker 1>in the war, and then other men and women moved

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<v Speaker 1>out of agriculture and into higher paying manufacturing jobs that

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<v Speaker 1>were either opened up as part of the war effort

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<v Speaker 1>or because the people who had been doing those jobs

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<v Speaker 1>joined the armed forces. That were also disrupted trade with Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>which cut off the United States sources of many goods

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<v Speaker 1>and meant that basically America had to make them for ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>The overall effect of all this on the labor pool

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<v Speaker 1>for agricultural work was, as you might suspect, enormous, and

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<v Speaker 1>it led the US to work out a program specifically

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<v Speaker 1>to recruit Mexican workers. And we're going to talk more

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<v Speaker 1>about that after we pause and thank one of the

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<v Speaker 1>sponsors that keeps our show going to return to the

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<v Speaker 1>Bricero program. That's huge shift in the workforce during World

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<v Speaker 1>War two had immediate and detrimental effects on agriculture. Soon

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<v Speaker 1>after the war began, the Southwest's cotton and vegetable growers

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<v Speaker 1>were petitioning Congress to hire temporary workers to help them

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<v Speaker 1>fill a labor shortfall that basically meant they couldn't harvest

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<v Speaker 1>what they needed to harvest. The key here was that

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<v Speaker 1>this workforce would be temporary. In the words of a

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<v Speaker 1>report from President Harry S. Truman's Commission on Migratory Labor

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<v Speaker 1>later on in nine quote, the demand for migratory labor

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<v Speaker 1>is thus essentially twofold, to be ready to go to

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<v Speaker 1>work when needed, to be gone when not needed. So

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, leaning on Franklin D. Roosevelt's Good neighbor policy,

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<v Speaker 1>started trying to work out a bilateral agreement with Mexico

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<v Speaker 1>that would allow Mexican nationals to enter the United States

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<v Speaker 1>to work and then return home when they were done.

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<v Speaker 1>At first, Mexico was reluctant to do this for a

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<v Speaker 1>number of reasons. Mexican citizens who had previously immigrated to

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<v Speaker 1>do exactly these types of work had faced discrimination and

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<v Speaker 1>exploitive treatment in the United States. Many had been forced

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<v Speaker 1>out of their jobs and stranded during the Great Depression.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically Mexico remembered all of that and just didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of confidence that its citizens would be

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<v Speaker 1>treated fairly if they went back to the United States

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<v Speaker 1>to work. So Mexico insisted that any agreement spell out

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<v Speaker 1>protections for its citizens. One that would protect Mexican laborers

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<v Speaker 1>while in the United States and would protect Mexico's own

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<v Speaker 1>industries from suffering due to a lack of workers. Mexico did, however,

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<v Speaker 1>see some potential benefits to allowing its citizens to work

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States. It was hoped that anyone who

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<v Speaker 1>entered the program would return home with money that would

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<v Speaker 1>be injected into the Mexican economy. Running parallel with that

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<v Speaker 1>was the idea that Mexico's workers would learn new techniques

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<v Speaker 1>relating to agriculture and then bring those new techniques back

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<v Speaker 1>to Mexico. The result of this negotiation between Mexico and

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<v Speaker 1>the United States was the Brissero program, which was launched

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen forty two by executive order and then formalized

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<v Speaker 1>by a bilateral agreement on April nine. It would later

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<v Speaker 1>be amended by Public Law seventy eight and nineteen fifty one.

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<v Speaker 1>The basic terms of the Briscero program would be that

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<v Speaker 1>this would be non military work was not acceptable to

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<v Speaker 1>recruit Mexican nationals to work in agriculture and then put

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<v Speaker 1>them into the military service. Mexican nationals would be protected

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<v Speaker 1>from discrimination. Employers would pay transportation and living expenses, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as a fair wage. Workers would get medical and

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<v Speaker 1>sanitary services at no cost to them. People enrolling in

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<v Speaker 1>the Broscero program would sign a Spanish language contract and

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<v Speaker 1>be paid a fair wage that would not be less

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<v Speaker 1>than what was standard for Anglo workers in the area,

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<v Speaker 1>and workers under the age of fourteen were not allowed.

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<v Speaker 1>There were also protections if there was a shortage of work,

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<v Speaker 1>guaranteeing a subsistence level pay. If someone contracted with a

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican national but turned out not to have work for

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<v Speaker 1>them to do, a percentage of the broscero's pay was

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<v Speaker 1>also to be saved and returned to them once they

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<v Speaker 1>returned to Mexico. The criteria for the workers themselves were

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<v Speaker 1>that they had to be young, healthy men who had

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<v Speaker 1>agricultural experience but did not own land of their own.

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<v Speaker 1>They also needed to have a letter from local authorities

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<v Speaker 1>saying that their labor wasn't needed where they actually lived,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was to try to diminish the impact on

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<v Speaker 1>Mexicans Mexico's own labor force. Applicants would go to collection

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<v Speaker 1>points in Mexico, be fingerprinted, be sprayed down with d

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<v Speaker 1>d T, and then be taken to the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>In spite of concerns that Mexican nationals would take jobs

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<v Speaker 1>away from Americans. At first, this seemed like a mutually

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<v Speaker 1>beneficial agreement. The United States would get the farm labor

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<v Speaker 1>it needed, and Mexico would get new, modernized farming techniques,

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<v Speaker 1>an injection of cash into its economy, and jobs for

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<v Speaker 1>citizens who needed them. However, things took a turn for

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<v Speaker 1>the worst pretty much immediately. Most of the work to

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<v Speaker 1>be done was known as stoop labor. This was cultivation

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<v Speaker 1>work that was done using a short handled hoe stooped

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<v Speaker 1>over rose into the in the fields. This was grueling

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<v Speaker 1>and like it could have been done with a long

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<v Speaker 1>handled hoe instead of a short handled hoe that required

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<v Speaker 1>you to literally stoop over, But for some reason people

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<v Speaker 1>thought a long handled hoo was damaging to the crops. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>the short handled hoe is regarded as an occupational hazard

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<v Speaker 1>and many states it is banned as unsafe. There were

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<v Speaker 1>also way more interested Mexican nationals than there were jobs,

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<v Speaker 1>and soon officials processing applications were accepting bribes to move

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<v Speaker 1>people ahead of the line. Recruitment efforts became prone to corruption.

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<v Speaker 1>People who didn't meet these qualifications for one reason or

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<v Speaker 1>another also started using the constant traffic back and forth

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<v Speaker 1>across the border to make the crossing themselves illegally, and

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<v Speaker 1>as was the case before, there were still plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>growers who were willing to hire these people for almost

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<v Speaker 1>no money. Unscrupulous growers also figured out that a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the Mexican nationals who were actually part of the

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<v Speaker 1>Broscero program didn't have a lot of proficiency in English

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<v Speaker 1>and weren't aware of the pay and protections they were

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<v Speaker 1>legally entitled to under the terms of this program. This

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<v Speaker 1>definitely was not universal. In various parts of the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>broscero's organized themselves and when on strike, to protest wages

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<v Speaker 1>and poor treatment that were specifically outlawed in the Briscero

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<v Speaker 1>program's terms. Many growers flouted the rules of the program

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<v Speaker 1>and hired people who had crossed illegally to get around

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<v Speaker 1>having to worry about all of this. Mexico eventually refused

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<v Speaker 1>to send workers to the entire state of Texas because

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<v Speaker 1>of flagrant hiring of unauthorized workers as well as other abuses.

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<v Speaker 1>So soon illegal border crossings were rampant and the employment

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<v Speaker 1>of people who had entered illegally was widespread. Wages started

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<v Speaker 1>to drop for basically everyone, because there were so many

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<v Speaker 1>low wage workers who had become part of the economy

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<v Speaker 1>in the Southwest that minimum standard housing and medical care

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<v Speaker 1>that was supposed to be part of this program also

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<v Speaker 1>didn't materialize, and a lot of people who actually were

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<v Speaker 1>part of it wound up tightly packed together in barracks

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<v Speaker 1>on canvas cots, where respiratory diseases and other illnesses spread

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<v Speaker 1>like wildfire. Over the twenty two year life of this program,

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<v Speaker 1>four point five million Mexican nationals legally came to the

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<v Speaker 1>United States to work, some of them returning to the

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<v Speaker 1>US repeatedly under new contracts, but far more entered illegally

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<v Speaker 1>outside the bounds of the program. There was actually a

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<v Speaker 1>six thousand percent increase in illegal immigration between nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 1>four and nineteen fifty four. Support for the program, which

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<v Speaker 1>had never been universal, started to wane after World War

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<v Speaker 1>Two was over and Americans who had survived the war

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<v Speaker 1>started to return home and to try to reclaim their

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<v Speaker 1>old jobs. The official wartime program ended on December thirty

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<v Speaker 1>one of nineteen forty seven, although the program continued to

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<v Speaker 1>be extended for peacetime purposes for quite a while after that,

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually Mexico, fed up with what it saw as

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<v Speaker 1>the United States refusal to enforce the terms of their

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<v Speaker 1>bilateral agreement, stopped participating by just declining to send any

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<v Speaker 1>more workers through official channels. According to the Texas State

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<v Speaker 1>Historical Association's Handbook of Texas, the US retaliated against Mexico's

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<v Speaker 1>non participation in nineteen fifty one by allowing thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>people to enter the US illegally, arresting them and then,

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<v Speaker 1>rather than deporting them, turning them over to the Texas

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<v Speaker 1>Employment Commission to be put to work. By the nineteen sixties,

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<v Speaker 1>the Broscero program was officially on the way out. Labor

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<v Speaker 1>organizations had become a lot more influential in policy and

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<v Speaker 1>had started advocating very vocally for jobs in the United

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<v Speaker 1>States to be filled by Americans and not by Mexicans.

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<v Speaker 1>At the same time, increasing mechanization in the agriculture industry

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<v Speaker 1>meant that a lot of the physical labor that had

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<v Speaker 1>required this huge labor pool was disappearing. The need for

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<v Speaker 1>physical labor became a lot smaller. The Brassero program needed

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<v Speaker 1>to be reauthorized periodically, and there were increasingly contentious debates

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<v Speaker 1>whenever it came up for renewal. Its re authorizations in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty one and nineteen sixty three in particular, were

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<v Speaker 1>extremely hotly debated. There was a lot of pressure to

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<v Speaker 1>end the program after a bus accident killed thirty two

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<v Speaker 1>migrant workers in nineteen sixty three. The Burcero program eventually

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<v Speaker 1>expired the following year in nineteen sixty four. With the

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<v Speaker 1>abolition of the program. One of the things that proponents

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<v Speaker 1>had often said about it turned out apparently to be true.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people who were in favor of the

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<v Speaker 1>program insisted that American workers did not want to do

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<v Speaker 1>this work, which is why it needed to be open

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<v Speaker 1>to Mexican nationals. After the abolition of the program, there

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<v Speaker 1>were about five hundred and nineteen thousand unemployed people in California,

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<v Speaker 1>which should have been plenty to cover the seventy thousand

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<v Speaker 1>people who were needed to do stoop labor in the

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<v Speaker 1>agricultural industry, but the nature the nature of the work

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<v Speaker 1>and the wages that were that were offered meant that

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of these jobs went unfilled and tons of

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<v Speaker 1>fruits and vegetables rotted in the fields, so that there

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot of argument that this should have been

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<v Speaker 1>like a gradual phase out rather than just an abrupt abolition.

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<v Speaker 1>As we said at the top of the show. Running

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<v Speaker 1>parallel to all of this was a mass deportation program

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<v Speaker 1>focused on Mexican nationals called the horrible name Operation Went Back.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're going to talk about that after we pause

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<v Speaker 1>once again and take a break and hear from one

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<v Speaker 1>of our fantastic sponsors. To get back to Operation Went

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<v Speaker 1>Back as an example of how the United States thinking

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<v Speaker 1>on immigration shifted. In the nineteen thirties and forties, President

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<v Speaker 1>Franklin D. Roosevelt combined two other government agencies to form

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<v Speaker 1>the Immigration and Naturalization Service in three This agency was

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<v Speaker 1>originally part of the Department of Labor in NTY that

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<v Speaker 1>changed the I n S and the Border Patrol that

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<v Speaker 1>fell under it moved from the Department of Labor to

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<v Speaker 1>the Department of Justice. So with that the I n

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<v Speaker 1>S and the Border Patrol were no longer about work.

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<v Speaker 1>They were about law enforcement. And as we said up,

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<v Speaker 1>Ration Went Back was a mass deportation effort that came

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<v Speaker 1>along after the I and S moved to the Department

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<v Speaker 1>of Justice. It's often portrayed as a swift decisive effort

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<v Speaker 1>to deport people who had entered the US illegally, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was really part of a decades long effort that ran,

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<v Speaker 1>as we said, parallel to most of the Burscero program.

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<v Speaker 1>In the nineteen forties, for example, special Mexican deportation parties

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<v Speaker 1>were established to try to apprehend and deport Mexican migrant

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<v Speaker 1>workers in There was an attempt to reinforce targeted portions

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<v Speaker 1>of the border with chain link fencing. In the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forties and nineteen fifties, some border patrol agents ran an

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<v Speaker 1>unsanctioned quote little barber shop, basically clippers that they carried

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<v Speaker 1>with them to cut the hair of repeat immigration offenders,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes in intentionally humiliating ways. In terms of the more

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<v Speaker 1>above board efforts to control immigration, a lot of them

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<v Speaker 1>really were across national The United States wanted to keep

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<v Speaker 1>illegal immigration from driving down wages and causing housing and

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<v Speaker 1>social issues within its own borders, and Mexico wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>have enough workers to meet its own labor needs, and

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<v Speaker 1>also protected citizens from exploitation and discrimination while they were

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States. In nineteen fifty one, a report

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<v Speaker 1>on Mexican migrant workers in the US pinned all sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of social and economic ills on illegal immigration and characterized

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<v Speaker 1>the situation as an invasion. Soon, the US was diverting

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<v Speaker 1>more and more of the border patrol and I n

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<v Speaker 1>S to the Mexican border, more than doubling the number

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<v Speaker 1>of agents that were stationed there. In between nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 1>three and nineteen fifty three, there were a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>people apprehended in illegal border crossings. The number rose from

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<v Speaker 1>eleven thousand, seven hundred and fifteen in nineteen forty three

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<v Speaker 1>to eight hundred and eighty five thousand, five hundred eighty

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<v Speaker 1>seven in nineteen fifty three, with Mexicans making up more

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<v Speaker 1>and more of those apprehended. At the same time, though,

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<v Speaker 1>the United States didn't actually increase the immigration and Naturalization

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<v Speaker 1>services budgets, so even though there were more agents on

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<v Speaker 1>the Mexican border, there were fewer agents overall, with the

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<v Speaker 1>forces numbers dropping a third between nineteen two and nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty one. When Dwight the Eisenhower took office as president

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen fifty three, it's estimated that three million Mexican

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<v Speaker 1>nationals in the US had entered the country illegally, but

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<v Speaker 1>previous efforts to deport them had increasingly stalled out because

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<v Speaker 1>so many farms and ranches were dependent on this illicit

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<v Speaker 1>labor pool. In the words of Walt Edwards, who served

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<v Speaker 1>in the Border Patrol from nineteen fifty one to nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty four, quote, when we caught illegal aliens on farms

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<v Speaker 1>and ranches, the farmer or rancher would often call and complain,

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<v Speaker 1>and depending on how politically connected they were, there would

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<v Speaker 1>be political intervention. Yeah. That political intervention was basically getting

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<v Speaker 1>their workers out of jail and turning away from the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that they were not supposed to be in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. In nineteen fifty four, Eisenhower pointed General Joseph Swing,

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<v Speaker 1>also known as Jumping Joe, as the commissioner of the

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<v Speaker 1>Immigration and Naturalization Service. Swing started transferring immigration officials who

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<v Speaker 1>had spent a long time in the Southwest to other

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the country with the hope of breaking all

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<v Speaker 1>those social and political ties to all the local farmers, ranchers,

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<v Speaker 1>and political big wigs that was leading the service to

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<v Speaker 1>not actually enforce immigration. Then, on June nine four, Swing

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<v Speaker 1>announced the commencement of Operation Went Back. One arm of

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<v Speaker 1>the operation was meant to physically apprehend and remove people

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<v Speaker 1>who had illegally immigrated into the United States. The other

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<v Speaker 1>was meant to publicize this effort to make sure people

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<v Speaker 1>who weren't in the country legally knew about it and

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<v Speaker 1>see the deportation force as a threat. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>this publicity deliberately exaggerated the size and aggressiveness of the

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<v Speaker 1>deportation force in the hope of scaring people into leaving

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<v Speaker 1>the country voluntarily. On June seventy four, immigration officials started

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<v Speaker 1>the actual sweeps to apprehend and deport people who had

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<v Speaker 1>illegally immigrated. About seven hundred and fifty immigration agents moved

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<v Speaker 1>north through California and Arizona. They started in those few

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<v Speaker 1>states because the entrenched resistance to deportation was lower there,

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<v Speaker 1>so they were hoping to kind of get a good

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<v Speaker 1>foothold before moving on to places where it was more contentious.

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<v Speaker 1>They had a goal of apprehending a thousand people who

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<v Speaker 1>had entered the country illegally every day. By the end

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<v Speaker 1>of July, fifty thousand people had been arrested in California

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<v Speaker 1>and Arizona, and an estimated four d eighty eight thousand

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<v Speaker 1>had fled the United States on their own, and as

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<v Speaker 1>Tracy had said. It started in California and Arizona, but

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<v Speaker 1>from there it moved into Utah, Nevada, Texas, and Idaho,

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<v Speaker 1>and immigration officials put the people that were apprehended in

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<v Speaker 1>these sweeps onto trains and buses bound for Mexico, far

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<v Speaker 1>enough south that they simply couldn't turn around and re

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<v Speaker 1>entered the United States. Two ships were also used for

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<v Speaker 1>this purpose, the Emancipation In and the Mercurial, carried people

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<v Speaker 1>from Port Isabel in Texas about five hundred miles to

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<v Speaker 1>Vera Cruz in Mexico. At the time, the i n

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<v Speaker 1>S claimed that it deported one point three million people

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<v Speaker 1>during operation went Back, but those numbers have not really

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<v Speaker 1>held up to historical scrutiny. It was definitely lower than that,

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<v Speaker 1>and it might have been as low as three hundred thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>These efforts actually disrupted some of the agriculture industry in

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<v Speaker 1>the states that were targeted by deporting their workforces. Like

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<v Speaker 1>we said, a lot of the agriculture industry in the

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<v Speaker 1>Southwest and West had become highly dependent on this illegal labor.

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<v Speaker 1>The government tried to reassure people that they could get

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<v Speaker 1>new labor through the Brascero program, which was still in

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<v Speaker 1>effect at this point. In addition to the immediate impact

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<v Speaker 1>that it had on the agriculture industry, there were other

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<v Speaker 1>problems with Project Wipe Back as well, aside from its name,

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<v Speaker 1>which I'm going to say again is a racial slur

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<v Speaker 1>we would not normally say. On this show, everyone of

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican to scent was suspect, whether they had entered the

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<v Speaker 1>country illegally or not, and a lot of the lawful residents,

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<v Speaker 1>some of them American citizens, were deported in error. Families

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<v Speaker 1>were broken up when some members were caught up in

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<v Speaker 1>a sweep and others weren't. Children were left with anyone,

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<v Speaker 1>without anyone to look after them when their parents were

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<v Speaker 1>arrested and deported. Mexican American communities were disrupted when their

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<v Speaker 1>populations were basically decimated, and then that would basically leave

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<v Speaker 1>whoever was left without the basic life amenities that they needed,

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<v Speaker 1>and the problems did not end north of the border.

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<v Speaker 1>People who were dropped off in Mexico were often left

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<v Speaker 1>in completely unfamiliar territory where they had no friends or family,

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<v Speaker 1>without any food, without water, and with no money. Eighty

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<v Speaker 1>eight people from just one roundup died of heat stroke

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<v Speaker 1>after being left in remote territory without food or water.

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<v Speaker 1>Conditions on the emancipation and the mercuria were also appalling,

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly overcrowded and dismal. On one voyage a Ryan, it

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<v Speaker 1>broke out and the use of ships was eventually stopped

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<v Speaker 1>after seven people drowned during one voyage. Apart from all

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<v Speaker 1>of that, that ten percent of their pay that was

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be withheld for legitimate participants of the Burcero

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<v Speaker 1>program and then returned to them when they returned to Mexico,

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people never saw it. A settlement was

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<v Speaker 1>in the works in two thousand and eight to restore

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<v Speaker 1>this pay to the former workers and their descendants, but

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<v Speaker 1>as of there were still marches and protests going on

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<v Speaker 1>to have this money restored because it had never actually happened.

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<v Speaker 1>So that is the basics of like this long kind

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<v Speaker 1>of convoluted, intertwined effort to both recruit and deport Mexican

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<v Speaker 1>nationals in the United States. Uh. I know for sure

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<v Speaker 1>that there are folks in the world whose mindset is, well,

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<v Speaker 1>they're illegally in here. It serves them right. I personally

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<v Speaker 1>think that if you are traveling hundreds of miles away

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<v Speaker 1>from your family to do physically grueling, stoop labor for

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<v Speaker 1>little money. Like imagine what your life is like to

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<v Speaker 1>lead you to that decision? Right, Like what other option

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<v Speaker 1>might you have? Have empathy? That's what I'm saying. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>do you have some listener mail that is empathetic or otherwise? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>It is, It's so empathetic. It's from Richard, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is about our recent podcast on Desmond T. Doss and

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<v Speaker 1>Um And Richard says, Dear Tracy and Holly, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to drop you a note and tell you how much

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<v Speaker 1>I enjoy listening to the podcast. I go for a

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<v Speaker 1>walk every morning before I go to work, and I

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<v Speaker 1>listened to podcasts as i walk. I'm pretty sure that

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<v Speaker 1>friends and family are tired of me telling them things

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<v Speaker 1>I have learned by listening to you. Your recent podcast

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<v Speaker 1>on Desmond T. Doss really struck a chord with me.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't learn about him in history class, but I

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<v Speaker 1>was familiar with his story. When I was a boy,

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<v Speaker 1>I love to read. My favorite place was the public

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<v Speaker 1>library and long Mont, Colorado. During the time I was

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<v Speaker 1>going to school in long I read just about every

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<v Speaker 1>book in the kids section of the library. I still

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<v Speaker 1>remember being disappointed that I was only allowed to check

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<v Speaker 1>out three books at a time. I also didn't understand

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<v Speaker 1>why I couldn't check out books from the adult section

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<v Speaker 1>on my kids library card. I'm gonna pause from this

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<v Speaker 1>for this, from for this. This was exactly my experience

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<v Speaker 1>as a child, so it was pretty close to mine.

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<v Speaker 1>And I will say when I first read this email,

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<v Speaker 1>when it first came in, my first thought was, Tracy

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<v Speaker 1>is going to fall in love with this? Yep. I

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<v Speaker 1>also had the problem of when I was in preschool,

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<v Speaker 1>I had read all the books in the classroom and

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<v Speaker 1>then there weren't anymore, and I was very frustrated by

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<v Speaker 1>the situation as a as just as a comparison. My

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<v Speaker 1>solution was to kind of sweet talk the librarian and

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<v Speaker 1>I got books on the down low. I was too

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<v Speaker 1>I was too socially anxious to do this. In kindergarten,

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<v Speaker 1>my teacher wanted me to go to the library by

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<v Speaker 1>myself to get books to read, because like I already

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<v Speaker 1>could read, so I didn't really need the lessons about

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<v Speaker 1>how to read, and I would just I would just

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<v Speaker 1>cry because I couldn't handle the idea of going to

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<v Speaker 1>the library by myself and asking a stranger to help

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<v Speaker 1>me find a book. Anyway, I'm gonna get back to

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<v Speaker 1>the letter now, which is much more positive than the

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<v Speaker 1>story that I just told. So Richard says, I would

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<v Speaker 1>take my three books home and have them read in

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<v Speaker 1>a day or two, and then beg my MoMA to

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<v Speaker 1>take me back to the library. I kept a flashlight

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<v Speaker 1>handy for reading after I was supposed to be asleep

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<v Speaker 1>the long mom The long Mont Public Library was my

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<v Speaker 1>access to knowledge. One of the books that I read

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<v Speaker 1>that made a big impression on me was The Unlikeliest

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<v Speaker 1>Hero by Bouten Herndon, was a story of Desmond Doss.

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<v Speaker 1>I had the honor of listening to Desmond Doss speak

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<v Speaker 1>to a group of young people. I had taken a

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<v Speaker 1>group of young boys, they just ten to fourteen to

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<v Speaker 1>hear him. After his talk, my boys wanted to meet him.

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<v Speaker 1>We waited for a chance to talk to him. Doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>state until everyone who wanted to meet him had a chance.

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<v Speaker 1>He took the time to visit with each one of

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<v Speaker 1>the boys personally. After he talked, the boys loved him

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<v Speaker 1>and were very impressed. They said to me, we got

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<v Speaker 1>to meet a real American hero. I am proud to

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<v Speaker 1>have been able to meet this gentleman. His story made

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<v Speaker 1>an impression on me when I was a boy, and

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<v Speaker 1>when I met him, I was impressed by his humility.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though everyone in the audience wanted to hear about

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<v Speaker 1>his medal of honor, he was uncomfortable talking about his actions.

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<v Speaker 1>He focused more on being prepared and being willing to

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<v Speaker 1>help others. He stressed the importance of standing up for

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<v Speaker 1>your convictions. I remember talking him talking about the poster

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<v Speaker 1>that showed the Ten Commandments in the Lord's Prayer and

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<v Speaker 1>what an impression it made on him. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>making more people aware of this humble American hero, Richard.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much, Richard. I don't have anything else

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<v Speaker 1>to add because I interrupted a letter to add all

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<v Speaker 1>of my commentary support your local library. I can say

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<v Speaker 1>that sure, I so much of our work is tied

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<v Speaker 1>directly to our local library. And I have such such

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<v Speaker 1>fond memories of my local library when I was a

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<v Speaker 1>child and summer reading programs, and where we lived was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of rural, so it took us a little while

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<v Speaker 1>to get to the library, but all summer long, I've

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<v Speaker 1>basically looked forward to go into the library and getting

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