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Speaker 2: Our week seventeen reaction is presented by Uber eats. Get

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Speaker 2: here we go. Former NFL scout John Middlecoff, he has

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Speaker 2: a podcast three and Out. It was a very busy

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Speaker 2: weekend Sunday, especially the early window didn't give us much.

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Speaker 2: But let's start with Minnesota twenty seven, Green Bay twenty five.

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Speaker 2: So I had a conversation yesterday with a general manager

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Speaker 2: in the league who said, yeah, you can forget. You

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Speaker 2: can forget Sam Donald at forty million. He said, you're

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Speaker 2: not getting Sam Donald at forty million. Sam's moved into

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Speaker 2: the five five oh five to one. And I watched

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Speaker 2: him today even after his pick five for five fifty

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Speaker 2: five yards touchdown final drive. You know, he got a

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Speaker 2: little bit lucky some play call. You know, let's just

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Speaker 2: be honest here. Kevin O'Connell's development and play calling is substantial.

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Speaker 2: And between Jefferson, Addison and Naylor the Michigan State kid,

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Speaker 2: they have incredible wide receiving group. So I'm not taking

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Speaker 2: anything away. But Sam, here's the thing I take away, John,

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Speaker 2: and you, as a former scout, they're asking him to

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Speaker 2: make big boy throws. Some of this shit is these

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Speaker 2: are hard, even when they were leading late in the fourth.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, guys, screen passes lighting up, They're asking Sam,

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Speaker 2: this is not dink and dunk. These are tough throws.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he's treating this guy like Mahomes meets

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Speaker 1: Joe Montana in terms of his play calling. Complete trust.

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Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, you remove two throws, the interception where

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Speaker 1: he got greedy and the throw toward the end of

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Speaker 1: the game that he airmailed Addison that could have been

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Speaker 1: a disaster. Yeah, he was as good as the josh

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Speaker 1: Allen Mahomes lamar. I mean, that's a dominant, dominant, dominant performance.

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Speaker 1: I thought, given the hype in this game and the pressure,

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Speaker 1: and we know Minnesota's got to be one of the

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Speaker 1: better home field advantages, how loud, it is maybe the best.

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Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you can be overjuiced to go seventeen

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Speaker 1: of twenty two in the first half and just slice

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Speaker 1: and dice this team. You know what I had to

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Speaker 1: do immediately, I had to google Jordan Love's contract because

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking and listen, Jordan Love, for whatever reason, for

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Speaker 1: a good player, he is a slow starter in these games. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I googled he got a seventy five million dollars

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Speaker 1: signing bonus and one hundred and sixty million dollars guaranteed.

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Speaker 1: And if I'm Sam Donald and we beat Detroit next

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Speaker 1: week and we're the number one seed, I don't see

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Speaker 1: how you could take anything less than that. It's like,

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Speaker 1: because Jordan Love got paid really off eight games. Remember

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Speaker 1: the first half of the season. He was atrocious, and

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Speaker 1: obviously he had been there longer, and they liked him

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Speaker 1: and they know him. But every time I hear Kevin

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Speaker 1: O'Connell talk about Sam Donald, it's like the way I

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Speaker 1: hear Andy talk about my homes. I mean, they love

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Speaker 1: the guy, and listen, they didn't. This is not a

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Speaker 1: clunky Atlanta Falcons situation. This was good business. They paid

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Speaker 1: a guy ten million dollars and they drafted a guy

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Speaker 1: essentially fell into their lap that they liked as well

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy. Things changed throughout the course of the year.

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Speaker 1: This is not a thirty five year old strike and

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Speaker 1: oil late in his career, right. This is not a

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Speaker 1: Geno Smith situation. Twenty seven years old. He was one

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Speaker 1: of the younger players to come in the league. Right

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Speaker 1: when he was drafted today was and they've been doing

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Speaker 1: this all season. I was like, this is not It's

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Speaker 1: not like they've peaking. They were blowing out teams immediately.

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Speaker 1: The Giants they destroyed, They destroyed the forty nine ers,

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Speaker 1: they destroyed the Texans, and in their fourth game they

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Speaker 1: in Green Bay, and the Green Bay came back, but

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Speaker 1: they've been dominating start to finish with him at quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Look at the twenty eighteen draft class, Baker, Darnold, Josh Allen, Lamar.

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Speaker 2: All happened last year's and it's funny. Like we used

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Speaker 2: to always talk about the Marino and Lway class, We've

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks out of it. You know, it is funny, John,

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Speaker 2: because in baseball, we understand even if you're Bryce Harper,

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Speaker 2: If you don't get a good fit, I mean, Mahomes

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Speaker 2: at Sam. Now you're like, Sam has four to five

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Speaker 2: more minimum peak years. Here's the other thing. I'm never

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Speaker 2: gonna talk about a guy's money, right, Like, but if

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Speaker 2: even though they have Jay J. McCarthy in the offing,

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Speaker 2: it's weird, Like like, I mean, listen again, if somebody

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Speaker 2: don't let him go. I think you and I agree,

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Speaker 2: I'm not letting him go. But if he goes to

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Speaker 2: the if he goes to the market and somebody offers

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Speaker 2: fifty one, but it's like the Raiders, or you can

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Speaker 2: go to a place that's got better players and better personnel.

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Speaker 2: Because I think what Sam has learned is Wow, coaching

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Speaker 2: and weapons really matter, really matter, because I think, I mean,

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Speaker 2: we can talk about Justin Jefferson, but Hell Naylor today, TJ. Hockinson,

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Speaker 2: the run game, Addison, Kevin O'Connor. You know we haven't

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Speaker 2: talked about this is Kevin O'Connell the coach of the year.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure we'll talk about Harball a little

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Speaker 1: bit later, but to me, it's Kevin O'Connell or Jim Harbaugh.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Jim Harbaugh took over a five win team.

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Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell. They started slow last year, but before Cousins

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Speaker 1: Tours Achilles, they were really coming on. Yeah, and two

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Speaker 1: the first round. But this team has been good for

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Speaker 1: of it. But you know, I always say about play callers.

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Speaker 1: You know certain people in any industry. Obviously you get

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Speaker 1: better at whatever you're doing with reps and experience, but

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Speaker 1: certain people are just much there's like an innate quality

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Speaker 1: but the flow of a game, maybe they freak out,

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Speaker 1: get a quarterback who's young and has these physical skills,

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Speaker 2: I thought the play call of the game, it was

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Speaker 2: to win the game, and the very first play, no

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Speaker 2: defensive coach is calling this. The very first play was

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Speaker 2: a bootleg first down pass. It was like a bootleg

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Speaker 2: first down. And I love Lafleur, but boy, early in

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Speaker 2: I think we both like Lafleur, but I think maybe

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Speaker 2: because he was a quarterback. I think Kevin O'Connell would

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Kevin O'Connell's drawn more to Sean McVeigh.

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Speaker 1: We're at their core that they do like slinging it around,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate because I've watched Kyle win some big games

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Speaker 1: Jordan Adison was a first run pick to USC once

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Speaker 1: upon a time, gave a million dollars as a transfer,

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Speaker 1: Like that's a big time player. Yeah, so I think

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Speaker 1: We can't get in a shootout, even though the Packers

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Speaker 1: because I couldn't. You know, they just weren't explosive on

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Speaker 1: I can't get over like it's just every single week

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he really gives you size arm playmaking.

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Speaker 2: I think the year in San Francisco. Cognitively, I think

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Speaker 2: tad reckless. I don't think he's naturally naturally accurate like Burrow,

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Speaker 1: Well throws it behind guys in a zone thirty yards

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Speaker 2: So I want to talk New England getting thumped by

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Speaker 2: they're number one. Josh Allen's going to own this damn

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Speaker 1: that was interesting, and it's been reported he's interested.

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Speaker 2: By the way, it would be, it's a better job

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Speaker 1: I know that was really that was really bad yesterday.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was thinking about this with Brock Bauers

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Speaker 2: I think it's not just wins and losses. John a

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Speaker 2: I mean Kevin O'Connell and Darnold, they just get more

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you know did a podcast last night

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Speaker 1: one of the bright spots. And you know what, and

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Speaker 1: I got talked out of this. I thought, I'm gonna

427
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Speaker 1: make one of the biggest bets of my life on

428
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Speaker 1: this team making the playoffs. There are seven spots. You look,

429
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 1: the AFC will get weird. Some of these divisions will

430
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Speaker 1: eat themselves. I think Jim Harbaugh can get to nine

431
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Speaker 1: or ten wins, and everyone, even people in the league,

432
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Speaker 1: he's like, they don't have enough offensive talent. They don't

433
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Speaker 1: have this, they don't have that. He never has great

434
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Speaker 1: offensive talent. He runs the ball against the quarterback and

435
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Speaker 1: he plays defense. And he's doing the same thing again,

436
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Speaker 1: and he's going right into the playoffs. And who's gonna

437
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 1: want to play him in the playoffs? Nobody? You know, nobody,

438
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 1: because he will ugly up the game. What Lafour tried

439
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 1: to do today. He actually can execute that. And he

440
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Speaker 1: doesn't win them all, but he can make that game

441
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Speaker 1: look like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I mean at Michigan, the Natty team had

443
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Speaker 2: one big time receiver. His Niner teams had Crabtree. This

444
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 2: team has Mconkey. If you go look at his history,

445
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 2: it's He's Stanford was mostly a run game and Andrew

446
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 2: luck team and a tight end team. Harbaugh, I hurt

447
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 2: the two people I was told good source inside the

448
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 2: building the two players that Harball loved in the first round,

449
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas and Joe Alt. They're two of the best rookies. Yeah,

450
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 2: it wasn't Romadunze. It was he loved LSU's LSU kid,

451
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 2: and he loved Joe Walt. And he decided to bookend

452
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Speaker 2: it with Herbert and say, hey, we got two tackles

453
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Speaker 2: for the next decade. But people forget about this. The

454
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Speaker 2: Chargers also got two fifth round corners, one from Maryland,

455
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Speaker 2: so Jim's gonna have I mean, go look at their draft.

456
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Speaker 2: I didn't miss on anybody. I mean they just boom boom.

457
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Speaker 2: But everybody can play, so and he's gonna have this

458
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 2: is very Pete Carroll out of USC the next yeah,

459
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Speaker 2: the next two drafts. He has an advantage over the league.

460
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Speaker 2: Now by about year four, he's not gonna have the

461
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Speaker 2: same advantage. But it's very Pete Carroll. When he came out,

462
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Speaker 2: he was getting Richard Sherman at a Stanford in the

463
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Speaker 2: fifth round, and everybody's like, how's Pete.

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Speaker 1: No, He's taken over two NFL jobs coming through college

465
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Speaker 1: Stanford where he was in a BCS game in Michigan

466
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Speaker 1: where he won the national championship. The Niners had six wins,

467
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: the Chargers had five wins. That's a combined eleven wins.

468
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Speaker 1: If he wins next week, which I imagine if he

469
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Speaker 1: plays his starters he will beat the Raiders, he will

470
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Speaker 1: have taken a total of two teams eleven wins to

471
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Speaker 1: twenty four wins, more than doubled it coming from college

472
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Speaker 1: twice two different times. He just jumps back and forth.

473
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Speaker 1: Who could do that?

474
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Speaker 2: No, I think, I mean, it's crazy. There's an argument

475
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Speaker 2: to be made that if if you know how basketball

476
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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame takes referees, it takes ambassadors, it takes

477
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 2: college pro, it combines everything. If you combine college and pro,

478
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Speaker 2: Harbaugh and Jimmy Johnson, you know, I mean, now so

479
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Speaker 2: Read and Belichick because of all their wins are like

480
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Speaker 2: the top. You could start making arguments that Jimmy Johnson

481
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Speaker 2: and Harbaugh are like the only two guys ever that

482
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Speaker 2: were literally elite. Now Pete Carroll won in both, but

483
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Speaker 2: Pete's also been fired three times the NFL. And I

484
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 2: like Pete, but that's the reality of it. He's always

485
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Speaker 2: been viewed by my front office friends. It's a little

486
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Speaker 2: quirky and different. Harbaugh is a plus plus college, a

487
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Speaker 2: plus plus NFL, and Jimmy Johnson's about the only guy

488
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Speaker 2: I can ever think of that that was both.

489
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Speaker 1: And I.

490
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Speaker 2: You know, it's for years and years. I had people

491
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Speaker 2: in I know Jim pretty well and I know people

492
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Speaker 2: that have been really close with him. Eric Mangini talks

493
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Speaker 2: about this so much of what we do for a living,

494
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Speaker 2: what people do for a living. And I've told my

495
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 2: kids this before, how badly do you want it? And

496
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Speaker 2: Eric Mangini has always told me, I've never met a

497
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Speaker 2: coach who loves football more than Harball. In his vacation,

498
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 2: he'll be looking up old NFL rules that literally we

499
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Speaker 2: saw it this year right before halftime when they kicked

500
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Speaker 2: that field goal against Denver. Is that he loves football.

501
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Speaker 2: He's not going to golf or go to a water

502
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure he's a great dad and a husband,

503
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 2: but he has such a zeal for it and it's

504
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 2: really and that's the difference. He just he is one

505
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 2: of those guys. There's everything. He likes, the aura, the essence,

506
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 2: the power, the physicality, the schemes, and he'll sit in

507
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Speaker 2: meeting rooms for hours and try to make his assistance

508
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 2: and coordinators figure out the Rubik's c But he loves

509
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: sitting in there. And he's just an advertisement. In any business,

510
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 2: if you want it bad enough and if you love

511
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Speaker 2: it enough, you will just succeed. It doesn't matter when

512
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Speaker 2: you went to college, it doesn't matter the criticism, willful passion.

513
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Speaker 2: And everybody I know that's ever worked with him is

514
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Speaker 2: like this, dude, it's not even it's just there. The hobbies,

515
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Speaker 2: they don't know what they are. It's football.

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Speaker 1: Well the other thing is and I get asked a

517
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Speaker 1: lot of you know, just get dms on Instagram, people

518
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: asking questions. And someone said, I'm a big Charger fan.

519
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Speaker 1: And there's always been this narrative around Jim that he

520
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: rubs people the wrong way and he has a shelf life.

521
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Speaker 1: And I think at Stanford, you know, I think that

522
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Speaker 1: mentality was a lot for people with the forty nine ers.

523
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: It definitely was, and he butted heads with the owner. Yeah,

524
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Speaker 1: I think the guy and you and I have been

525
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: talking about is a different human being than that guy,

526
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: much lighter, with still the same drive. Like Andy is

527
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Speaker 1: a very light He's not like just what Jim was

528
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Speaker 1: that but he's very football intense. When you talk about

529
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Speaker 1: the way you describe I'd never worked with Jim, I

530
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: would describe Andy Reid that way. His love and passion

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Speaker 1: and unwillingness to just slow down when it comes to

532
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: football vacation off season, and I've heard since he's been

533
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: winning Super Bowls, you wouldn't notice any difference. He'll drive

534
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: by his cars in the office on Saturday, just doing

535
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: some miscellaneous shit on an April day, three weeks before

536
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Speaker 1: the draft, when they're not they have three picks. You know,

537
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Speaker 1: it's just his pure passion. And I'm sure you give

538
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Speaker 1: this advice. Anytime that passion you can turn it into

539
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: something you can monetize as a profession, you are much

540
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: more inclined to be successful. But I do think Jim

541
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: had to learn to relax a little bit as the

542
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: head honcho at the guy top of the ORG chart,

543
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: and I think he clearly has Yeah, I think it

544
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: shows and this is the worst his team's gonna be, right,

545
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: And I say the same thing for Sean Payton and Denver,

546
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: Like both those two teams are going to get better

547
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: like the version of the Chiefs, and they're gonna maintain

548
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: being good because they really know what they're doing. But

549
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: it's hard. I mean, they got to fit around some money.

550
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: Like this is the worst those two teams are gonna be. Now.

551
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 1: Herbert is a much better player than bo Nix right now. Yeah,

552
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Speaker 1: So I would just say, like I think the Chargers

553
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: are going to be better next year, and like you said,

554
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: he knows the draft really well. There'll be players Nico Collins.

555
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: I remember last year it's like who is this guy is?

556
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: They played at Michigan and I'm like, I watched it.

557
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: You don't even realize he has wide receivers in college

558
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: that will play for him. Like I didn't quite realize

559
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: that guy was there because it doesn't even use them.

560
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Speaker 1: I mean that's how it's always been.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So forty to seven A Chargers Ham, New England.

562
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Speaker 2: It's time to look at this weekend's tastiest matchup in

563
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Speaker 2: this week's Sunday Night food Ball, brought to you by

564
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Speaker 2: Uber Eats. Okay Bill's forty Jets. Fourteen Jets had sixteen penalties.

565
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: It's over. So I will say this about Buffalo. I

566
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Speaker 2: think these are the Sean McDermott playoffs. So Josh Allen,

567
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Speaker 2: I looked it up today, in ten playoff games, has

568
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: a passer rating of one hundred, twenty one touchdowns, four picks.

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Speaker 2: This is not a Lamar Jackson situation. He has been

570
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Speaker 2: a B plus to a quarterback in the playoffs. And again,

571
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Speaker 2: I don't expect you to be as good as you

572
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: are in the regular season because you're not playing Carolina

573
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Speaker 2: and you're not playing shitty teams. So if you're one

574
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Speaker 2: hundred passer rating quarterback in the playoffs, that's exceptional. And

575
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: Lamar has gotten tight, like you can see it. He's tight.

576
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: That's not Josh. Josh has been excellent. If they get

577
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Speaker 2: bound sturly in the playoffs, and I know this sounds crazy,

578
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 2: and I like Sean McDermott, john if they lost, they

579
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Speaker 2: if they got if Cincinnati got in and played Buffalo

580
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 2: in the first round and Cincinnati won, I'm telling you

581
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Speaker 2: I think with Dermott's in trouble because when I watch

582
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Speaker 2: this team, I don't want to hear about Josh Allen.

583
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 2: Okay that this is not a Josh Allen referendum. He

584
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 2: lost a game because he scored a touchdown with thirteen

585
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Speaker 2: seconds left to Mahomes. He's been fine in the playoffs.

586
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 2: This team, this coaching staff has real pressure on. I mean,

587
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: think about this. Hardball's not gonna get fired if they

588
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: lose in the playoffs, and he's not. I mean, think

589
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 2: of a coach that you know, I mean, Sirianni real pressure.

590
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 2: Sean McDermott, real pressure. I am fascinated to watch Buffalo.

591
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: They have to at minimum get to the conference championship.

592
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 2: At minimum, in my opinion, yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 1: What they're gonna be a more than likely. I think

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Speaker 1: Denver is gonna win next week. If Andy rest everybody

595
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: and it's a kitchen sink game for them, they would

596
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: be a huge favorite in that game. I mean we're

597
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: talking touchdown plus maybe eight nine points. I'm pretty confident

598
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: Buffalo wins that game. Game the next game, though, it

599
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: gets real. I mean you're playing Baltimore, who feels like

600
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: they're really coming on, right. I don't know what Baltimore did.

601
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: Their defense looks better. That would be a make or

602
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: breaker because then if you win that game all of

603
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: a sudden, you'd have a lot of momentum going into

604
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: Kansas City, right, and you've beat them already this year.

605
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: So I think it go one of two ways. I

606
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Speaker 1: think they're winning Week one or you know that that

607
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: first in Buffalo, no matter what. I have a hard

608
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: time but that Week two game against Baltimore is a massive,

609
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: massive game because because I would say this, if they

610
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: go to Kansas City and they have another one of

611
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Speaker 1: those and I listen, he's had some weird moments with

612
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Speaker 1: clock management. If it feels like he blows the game, maybe,

613
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: but if you get beats like some people just couldn't

614
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: be Michael Jordan, some people just couldn't beat Tiger Woods,

615
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: I don't think it. I think losing to Baltimore, you

616
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: already lost to him this season. You get them at

617
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Speaker 1: home in the second round, I think you've got to

618
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: be in the conference championship game. I think you can

619
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Speaker 1: lose to the Chiefs. Keep your head high. Yeah, even

620
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: though it would start to feel like are we just

621
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: always going to be second fiddle, or US in Baltimore

622
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: is always gonna be second. And the fact is, yeah,

623
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Speaker 1: you might. You know, that was kind of like Pittsburgh

624
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: and some of these other teams to Bill Bealijack and

625
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, you just played for second in your conference.

626
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Speaker 1: But I think they'd have to win that game or

627
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: else it could be weird because and listen, I think

628
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: it's hard. I mean, what do you even make of

629
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: the Jets? The Jets are joke. I mean, and I

630
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: give the Bills credit. It was a little weird early

631
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: and then it was forty to nothing and it's like, Okay,

632
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: you guys are just toying with him.

633
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Speaker 2: Well we learned this. Maddy Eberflus and Robert sla got

634
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 2: fired and their teams got worse. So I always believe

635
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 2: be very careful about firing a coach in season because

636
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 2: if the interim coach wins, you get fan and player

637
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: pressure to higher in him coach, and if he loses,

638
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: then you lose the locker room. So they're two and

639
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: nine since Robert Sala left. But I have always felt

640
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: that Solo wasn't the problem. There's an argument he was

641
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: the solution. But I never thought he was the problem.

642
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Speaker 1: But really quick, before the Jets on the bills, if

643
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: you and I own the team and we're sitting down,

644
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: like going to the playoffs, like, what are our different

645
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: options if things go south? Our division is a disaster.

646
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: The Jets couldn't be any more of a laughingstock. The

647
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: Patriots are not even a year away from being a

648
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: year away from winning nine games, and the Dolphins, I mean,

649
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: I just don't really take the franchise safely, and we

650
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: own them. So it's like, now, you know, trying to

651
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: go from really good to great. Totally admire anyone who's

652
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: willing to do that, but it is a pretty risky proposition. Now,

653
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: if that job became open, everyone and their mother would

654
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: be calling them. But I just think that, like, you

655
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: do have a pretty good thing going, yes, And to me,

656
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: especially if you lose the Chiefs, you're gonna keep winning

657
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: twelve thirteen games every year in this division and you

658
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: and you know you have a capable guy. I'm just

659
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: saying it's pretty risky. Yes, I do you just say,

660
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: do you ride the course a little bit? Because the

661
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: Jets could go backwards from here and the Patriots could

662
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: be stick here for a couple of years. Yeah, No,

663
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Speaker 1: I think I think it's I think it's something you

664
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: got to take into account. Yeah, I'm not saying i'd

665
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: fire Sean McDermott, but I do believe the pressure is

666
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: on Sean McDermott, Whereas in Baltimore the pressure's on Lamar.

667
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 1: John Harbaugh's got a ring the pressure with Joe Flacco.

668
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: Lamar needs to play better. That's that's indisputable. He's got

669
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: to play better. Josh has played very well in most spots.

670
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: I would agree, but that organization, I think most people

671
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: would choose the Ravens roster over the Bills roster. I

672
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: think that there's gonna be a tough that game. I mean,

673
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: we have to play it out to look at all

674
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: the different games. That's got to be one of the

675
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: better playoff games of the entire tournament. Right, if I

676
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: tell you Ravens that Bill's, Oh, what's on the line

677
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 1: for those two guys, it doesn't. I mean, that's Saturday

678
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: or Sunday night the week two, Right, that's as good

679
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: as it gets. Yep.

680
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 2: One thing on the Jets, Aaron, you know, twelve completions,

681
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: two picks. He's about the fifteenth or sixteenth best quarterback

682
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 2: probably in the league now, you know, maybe thirteenth, twelfth.

683
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 2: It's interesting this week though, and Eric Mangini pointed this

684
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 2: out to me on television that when Aaron referenced Woody

685
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 2: Johnson's kids, I've never been fired by a teenager. It

686
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 2: was almost as if Aaron was saying, I want out

687
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: of here. And I do think I'll say this. Russell

688
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: may leave Pittsburgh, don't know if he will. Kirk Cousins

689
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: could be on the market, probably will. I think Aaron's

690
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: got about a two team market. I could see the

691
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: Raiders because they won again today. I could see the Raiders.

692
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: If they're like, we're not going to move up for

693
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 2: camera Shaedder, We're just not going to move up. I

694
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Speaker 2: could see them going with like a Kirk Cousins or

695
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: an Aaron Rodgers for a year. I really could for

696
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: one year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. When I saw the story today, that rap sheet

698
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: said that Garrett Wilson has basically let it be known

699
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 1: if this guy comes back, I'm gonna want out. Yeah.

700
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: I was dominating and then you begged for your friend

701
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: to come here, and then I just became kind of irrelevant. Yeah,

702
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 1: and we know how wide receivers can kind of turn

703
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: into divas that way, So that's gotten weird. And I

704
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: would choose a young Garrett Wilson over a forty one

705
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: year old Netflix star at this point in time, So

706
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: I think this Roger. This thing's though, who would you

707
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: hire as a coach? I mean, to me, you just

708
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson would be obviously a guy you'd interview just

709
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: because and I'm always hesitant with these coordinators, but there

710
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: have been enough coordinators excel on the offensive side of

711
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: the ball, and he's been so good that he's to me.

712
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: Him and Vrabel. I mean now that Bill Belichick would

713
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: have been a guy I would hire it if I

714
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: were all these teams. But I think those are the

715
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: two guys. Who else are you really option?

716
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: Now?

717
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Speaker 1: One we got a curveball here because and I know

718
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: he got his ass kick today, but you know, Ceedee

719
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: Lamb was out McCarthy. These teams are gonna want to

720
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: talk to Mike McCarthy. So Jerry has played this out like, yeah,

721
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 1: we'll just date a little bit more before we really

722
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: get married, and turns out like Mike's actually helped himself out.

723
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: So like if Mike McCarthy's available. I know this. The

724
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: Jets could do way worse then just to get a

725
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: grown up, a guy that knows what he's doing, yeah,

726
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: and would be guaranteed to just get the train back

727
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: on the tracks. So, like to me, McCarthy is an

728
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: intriguing option. If he goes yeah, Jerry goes yeah, I

729
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 1: want to bring you back. And if Mike goes yeah,

730
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: you know, I want to talk to some other people

731
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: as well as you kind of played me out and

732
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,439
Speaker 1: I worked my ass off and worked with these quarterbacks. See,

733
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: you have to wonder if Mike, you know, by week

734
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: one of the Black Friday setup, like, is it Mike

735
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 1: McCarthy's meeting with two teams? Like is that possible while

736
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: he's still dealing with the Cowboys. Oh, I keep an

737
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 1: eye on that. I think that's happening.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I said this last week. If you flip the

739
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: telescope on Mike McCarthy, he gets older, stubborn, rigid Brett

740
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 2: Farv two years, goes thirteen and three NFC championship. When's

741
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl with Aaron? We now discover that Aaron's

742
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 2: difficult to coach. Both Lafleur and Robert Sala discovered that

743
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: and Mike McCarthy three for three. He then goes not

744
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: only wins twelve games a year with the best B

745
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 2: player quarterback in the league in an O line rebuild, Dack,

746
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: he's winning with Cooper Rush. And so it's like at

747
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 2: some point he won with Farv. He won with the

748
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 2: southern guy, he won with the prickly passive, aggressive Cali guy.

749
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 2: He won with a guy that kind of is kind

750
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 2: of an overpaid bat plus guy, Dack. He's not winning

751
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 2: with a backup. He say what you want about Mike McCarthy.

752
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 2: He's won with everybody, and all his quarterbacks put up

753
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: their best records and their best numbers with him. So

754
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 2: sometimes I know I always said this, Aaron was this

755
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 2: good looking, cool guy in Green Bay, and Mike looked

756
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: like a Milwaukee cop, and just the aesthetic of it.

757
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 2: Sometimes Mike came across as sort of, you know, unsophisticated,

758
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 2: a little heavy, and Aaron was the hip coolster on TV,

759
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: and I think that played into it that Mike was

760
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 2: sort of marginalized. But we have to be fair about this.

761
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: Every quarterback that plays with Mike McCarthy flourishes, all of them.

762
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 2: Cooper Rush, Dak, Aaron, all of them flourish, and so

763
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: to your point, I think he'll have options.

764
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 1: And he's calling the place, so it's not like, well,

765
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: he's like Tomlin or Dan Campbell or Sirianni. You know,

766
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: he's he's rallying the troops. No, like he's the guy

767
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: in the meeting with the quarterback calling the plays from

768
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: the sideline. So he brings the value. So it's like, wait,

769
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,439
Speaker 1: he can lead the organization. He can handle crazy shit

770
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: because like the end of Aaron, but the last couple

771
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: of years of Jerry could not. I mean, he's dealing

772
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 1: with Jerry Jones in his eighties nuts. And then once

773
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: he got rid of Kellen Moore, I think people thought,

774
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: did he lose his touch at the end of Green Bay.

775
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: You watched last year Dak had the best year of

776
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: his career. Yeah, and then this fight. I mean, if

777
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: if the guy doesn't screw up against the Bengals on

778
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: Monday Night Football touching that ball, he would have won

779
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: five straight games with Cooper Rush. So I think Mike McCarthy,

780
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: if you remove the day, which I think it's fair

781
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: to say, if you just took every team in the NFL,

782
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: and they just nobody had a quarterback and everyone got

783
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: the same quarterback. You might choose the Eagles team. Right,

784
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: If every quarterback was the same, the Eagles probably have

785
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: the best team. Like it was bound to happen to

786
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: him that they were missing a couple of players and

787
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: they got run. But I think, what else is Jerry

788
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 1: gonna do? Like Jerry gonna hire someone else. I think

789
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: he's gonna want McCarthy back. But I do wonder if

790
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: Mike someone plays you a little bit in business and

791
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 1: you got some leverage, I could see Mike screwing with him.

792
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 2: Back a little bit. This week. Sunday Night Football, brought

793
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794
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795
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Speaker 2: I do every week, all right. So the Bengals beat

797
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: the Broncos thirty to twenty four, bow knicks one in

798
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: six and one possession games. Rookie quarterbacks, as you'd suspect,

799
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 2: aren't gonna beat Joe Burrow in games like that. So

800
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 2: Burrow's the only great quarterback in the league that may

801
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 2: not make the playoffs. And he's fricking on fire. And

802
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: I mean they had five hundred total yards, thirty four

803
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: first downs. And by the way, Bonix didn't play well

804
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 2: twenty four to thirty one, three hundred and eleven yards,

805
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 2: seven rushes. He looked so average compared to Burrow. I

806
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 2: mean a couple plays bow like he threw a ball,

807
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 2: I should have thrown it into the dirt. He threw

808
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 2: it to his running back who got smoked. Some of

809
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 2: that stuff is just in the NFL. Some stuff just

810
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 2: doesn't work. That worked your entire college career. Like you

811
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 2: can see top Sometimes he'll make a throw and you're like, yeah,

812
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 2: that's not gonna work here. And I think Bonnix tends

813
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 2: to get locked into his number one receiver and he's

814
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: going to force the ball. But twenty four for thirty

815
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 2: one in every decade is good quarterback play. I'm not

816
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 2: saying MVP, but I now that Herbert has a legit coach.

817
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 2: If I said to you, these are the five best

818
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 2: quarterbacks in the world, Mahomes, Alan, Allen, Lamar, Burrow, Herbert,

819
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Speaker 2: If I just said you get five in the world,

820
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: those are my five? Are they yours?

821
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean there's not anyone in the NFL, that

822
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't pick those five. They have clearly separated. And the

823
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: crazy thing is that if you were picking quarterbacks, we

824
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 1: wouldn't even get to the NFC, and that these guys

825
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 1: like Listen bo Nicks. He hit the awesome deep bomb

826
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Speaker 1: for a seventy yards, and he hit the incredible fourth

827
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: down play, but for the most part he was not.

828
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: They weren't sustaining drives. That's bad. And Burrow is playing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's as good of quarterback play as you

830
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: can have. Now he's got Jamar Chase, is good of

831
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: their line.

832
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 2: Their old line is bottom of ten in the league easily.

833
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Speaker 1: You know, you know, he reminds me of you watched

834
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: like Sam plays more like Josh and Mahomes where they

835
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: are quick to scramble to throw yep. Joe Burrow actually

836
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: plays a lot more like Andrew Luck where part of

837
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: the reason he gets hit a lot is he stays

838
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: in the pocket till the last possible. It's a very

839
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: old school characteristic. Philip Rivers used to play like this.

840
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: Now he didn't have the arm of those guys, but

841
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: they would wait for the last second to get their

842
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: guy that extra step and throw the ball most guys

843
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: half the league doesn't want to get touched, so they

844
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: move because they don't want to get hit. Joe is

845
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: taking some of these hits because he's an old school

846
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: pocket quarterback. I mean, Joe Burrow would have thrived in

847
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: like the seventies. Now he gets absolutely destroyed. Now his

848
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: offensive line's bad and he holds onto the ball to

849
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: the last possible second, which I admire. But his the

850
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 1: way he's played this year, unless they're gonna come up short,

851
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: because I even saw that, they don't even I think

852
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: the Dolphins. If Denver were to lose in the Dolphins win.

853
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure they

854
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: would be in. Yeah, they hit Dolphins to lose too. Yeah,

855
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: they lost a game Colin where he threw five touchdowns

856
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,919
Speaker 1: against the Ravens the first time they played him, where

857
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: they had multiple double digit leads in the fourth quarter.

858
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, they lost to the Patriots in

859
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 2: Week one, or they wouldn't be in this position.

860
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: So it's like their defense halfway even yesterday. It's not great,

861
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 1: but it was so bad at points in time earlier

862
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: this year.

863
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 2: No, I mean, Denver has components to a playoff team.

864
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 2: If you think about it, Hall of Fame, coach, elite

865
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 2: left tackle, best corner arguably in the game, one great weapon,

866
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: and an elite pass rusher. That's mostly John the six

867
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: checks boxes. Now, quarterback Bow is a B to a

868
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 2: B minus right now if this team, if Bow had

869
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: one year in.

870
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: See depending on plus.

871
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you look at what wins in this league,

872
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: it's basically coach quarterback, left tackle, one to two weapons,

873
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 2: at least one good cover corner. That's why the Rams

874
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 2: can't win that The Rams just don't have an elite

875
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 2: The Rams are going to draft a corner one or two.

876
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: They have to.

877
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 2: But I when I look at when I look at

878
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: Denver Cincinnati is one great quarterback, a good edge rusher,

879
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 2: and one great weapon. I don't even know if Zach

880
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: Taylor's it.

881
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: I don't like.

882
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 2: His clock management at the end of the game was atrocious.

883
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: It was crazy. I can't believe that he and kneel

884
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: the ball and no, I didn't get rude when the guy

885
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 1: got hurt and they have to blow the time out

886
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: and Denver gets it back. But if you just kneel again,

887
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: you give a rookie quarterback forty seconds on the road

888
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: to get in the field goal range.

889
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 2: That's pretty hard with time because they would have had

890
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 2: him in college.

891
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's like, here's what I would say about

892
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: bo Nicks to defend him of all the rookies. This

893
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: guy's on the road Cincinnati after Christmas, their season on

894
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: the line against one of the best players we've seen

895
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: in recent memory. Like, that's that's a tough that's a

896
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: real game. Caleb hasn't played in a real game. They've

897
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: lost ten straight games. None of his games matter, you know, uh,

898
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: Drake may. Nothing he does really matters beside their health.

899
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: So it's like bo Nix is playing in real series,

900
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: Like there are real stakes, right, He's playing to get

901
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: into the playoffs. And like between the Chargers in Denver,

902
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: would you lean the Chargers are more likely to win

903
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 1: a playoff game just because they got a better quarterback.

904
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I think in the playoffs Burrows the only

905
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 2: great quarterback that won't make the playoffs. I think, in fact,

906
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 2: I did this John, thinking of you this today, So

907
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 2: I thought about this is my I have seven teams

908
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 2: that I would call the trophy class that can get

909
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 2: to a super Bowl. Kansas City, Buffalo Baltimore, Detroit, Green Bay, Philly,

910
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 2: and I put Minnesota in today. Green Bay Mini. It's doubtful,

911
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 2: but I do think depending on environment where they're playing

912
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 2: in the matchup, I think there are three teams that

913
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 2: can win games but are missing something Chargers, Rams and

914
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: potentially Pittsburgh if they got in Pittsburgh's defense could win

915
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 2: a game if they face the right quarterback. Rams are

916
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 2: very Pooka reliant, and I do feel like the Chargers

917
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: in the AFC. You gotta score twenty seven points in

918
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 2: some of these games. I mean, if JK. Dobbins isn't available,

919
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: it gets really limited. And then I think there's four

920
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,919
Speaker 2: or five teams that probably can't win a playoff game

921
00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:00,720
Speaker 2: Denver or Sincy, Washington, Houston, Atlanta or Tampa. Tampa maybe,

922
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 2: but I just feel like they earn their the spot,

923
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: but I just don't trust them any of those. You

924
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: disagree with.

925
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: I think pittsburghs won and done Okaya as it's aiming

926
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: up like they're going to play. They play Cincinnati next week.

927
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: I don't know about you. I like Cincinnati and then

928
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: they're gonna play Baltimore in the first round. I'm gonna

929
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: take Baltimore. Okay, I think they are a shell of

930
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: what they were when they were ten and three injuries.

931
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: Russell's coming back to earth a little bit. I think

932
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 1: Minnesota is pretty real and we'll see Detroit. Maybe they're

933
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: a little healthier tomorrow. We'll see who plays. But then

934
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: they're playing Minnesota next week, which, even though it's not

935
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: like a winner, get into the playoffs. To me, if

936
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: that's for the number one seed, yeah, I would put that.

937
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: I'd put that Sunday night over like winner of the

938
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: Division Seattle Rams. I would go Minnesota Detroit. Yes, I

939
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: kind of like Minnesota next week, Colin, you know, especially

940
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: if Detroit still got injuries. Now, Detroit's offense is still awesome,

941
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,479
Speaker 1: but defensively the amount of guys they're missing, if Jared

942
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: Goff just has an off quarter against the way this Minnesota,

943
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: plus they get that extra day arrest. If you tell

944
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: me Minnesota like to me Detroit with their injuries. If

945
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: you told me they were healthy and they had the

946
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: number one seed, I would pick them to win the NFC.

947
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: But with their injuries, if they're not the number one seed,

948
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: even if they were, I think they could be beat.

949
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: To me if Minnesota is the number one seed. I

950
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: think their favorite in every game they play, you know,

951
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: whether they play the Eagles, the Packers. Wow, the Rams

952
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: are a good example of last year. Remember how much

953
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: momentum and how well they were playing going into the playoffs. Yes,

954
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 1: like Detroit, this is gonna be a tough first round game,

955
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: and it was. This team like them is winning a

956
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: bunch of games. Down the stretch. They look like shit,

957
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: and maybe Cooper Cup's gotten old. Like you said, if

958
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: Puka doesn't go for twelve and one point fifty, they're

959
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: just off offensively. Luckily, their defense is good.

960
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 2: Well let's talk about that last night.

961
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, I to has done an awesome job, but

962
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: they look I can't pick them to win a playoff

963
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: game the way they're playing.

964
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 2: Rams thirteen Arizona nine.

965
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: I thought they were gonna lose very I had one

966
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: hundred confident Arizona was gonna score.

967
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 2: They only had twelve. They only had twelve first downs.

968
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 2: The Rams had twelve first downs. So we talk about

969
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: this game for a second. So it's really interesting and

970
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 2: I can't quite figure this dilemma out. So generally I

971
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 2: think you'd agree with me. The first half is a

972
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 2: coach's half that you put stuff on paper, especially offensive coaches.

973
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 2: You have the first two series Kevin O'Connell and Darnold

974
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 2: that they're putting stuff on paper, and then in the

975
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 2: second half coaches matter, but you get twelve minutes in

976
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 2: the locker room to really talk to your players, and

977
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 2: there's only so much you can digest. It's a bit

978
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: of an adjustment. But a lot of times the better team,

979
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 2: the better roster, the deeper roster, wins the second half.

980
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 2: That's why Philadelphia so crappy. In the first quarter. They

981
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 2: just roll over. They just got too many good dudes.

982
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 2: You got too many players, and you can scheme up.

983
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 2: You know you're not gonna beat like Detroit, Kansas City, Baltimore,

984
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 2: Buffalo in a short week. When you can't, you don't

985
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 2: get extra days to coach or insall things. They're just

986
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 2: I mean, you see these teams like Kansas in Baltimore

987
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 2: played three games in eleven days. They wereent three to zero.

988
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: Dominated.

989
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 2: You don't have time to coach up your inferior roster.

990
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,479
Speaker 2: And I look at the Rams and this is weird.

991
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,720
Speaker 2: They got time of possession Arizona thirty six minutes. Rams

992
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 2: twenty three, only twelve first downs. I can't figure this out.

993
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 2: They are a They are sluggish in every first half.

994
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 2: And I watched this game and it was almost like

995
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: Stafford's not warm, like he looks old. And then the

996
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: second half it's almost like he's a pitcher that he

997
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 2: needs to get to the fifth, sixth inning. But as

998
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 2: I watch him, I'm like, in the second half, it

999
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 2: just he's more fluid, he's looser, he's letting it rip.

1000
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 2: But I think I can't blame McVeigh. They're healthy offensively,

1001
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 2: John Puka, Tyler Higbee, Kyron Williams, oh lines above average.

1002
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 2: I think some of it is it's I think Stafford

1003
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 2: looks old in first halfs Yeah.

1004
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: Well I think Cooper Cup's gotten really old too. I

1005
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: mean he's essentially he's a blocker now. Yeah, and he's

1006
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: had an incredible career and he was a badass. But

1007
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: it feels like it's over Stafford. I think there was

1008
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: a stretch last year where he threw a bunch of

1009
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: picks for like a four or five game. He is

1010
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: leading touchdown drives where he could have thrown three picks

1011
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: on him going through guy's hands, and he did that

1012
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: in the Niners game. He did that yesterday. If you

1013
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: remove the Bills game where they scored like one hundred points,

1014
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: they're perfect. They played the Saints that that thing was

1015
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: a slugfest till the end. I think it was like

1016
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 1: seven to seven the majority of the game. The forty

1017
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: nine Ers game was an embarrassment. They won. I'm just

1018
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: saying for an offensive unit, last week against the Jets

1019
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,919
Speaker 1: was not very pretty and last night was pretty ugly.

1020
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: Like offensively, they just have no rhythm. And like you say,

1021
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: it's like their coach has kind of proven he knows

1022
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: what he's doing. And you're watching Stafford play. He definitely

1023
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: looks a little older. He just when he gets in

1024
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: that mode of throwing it to other guys, I don't

1025
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: know if he gets a little off kilter, but he

1026
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: has a lot of passes I feel over the month,

1027
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: and luckily he throws hard. Yea, that are just going in.

1028
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: Those guys play defense for reasons. If Pooka was playing defense,

1029
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: the guy he's throwing, he would have had ten picks. Yes,

1030
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: last month, Well, they've gotten lucky. They've dropped a ton.

1031
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 2: It's it's a really it's a one person receiving crew

1032
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,439
Speaker 2: two two at well was a bust for the first

1033
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 2: several years. He gives you about to catch a game.

1034
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 2: Tyler Johnson's a bouncer around the league. Guy Robinson, I

1035
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 2: think it's DeMarcus Robinson. You get about one big catch

1036
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 2: a week. Cooper looks washed. It is incredibly reliant on Pukaakua,

1037
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 2: and so to me, they're obviously going to go draft

1038
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 2: an X receiver if they need somebody up the sideline badly.

1039
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 2: They need another offensive tackle, they need a number one corner.

1040
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 2: I feel like they're a draft away from being a

1041
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 2: really serious, serious team. They're just doing it now with

1042
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 2: mcveigh's coaching Stafford second Half and Pokinakua. And I do

1043
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 2: love the defense, but in fairness, these kids are all young.

1044
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 2: I mean, everybody's a rookie or a second year player.

1045
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 2: They're just there's no age on this defense at all.

1046
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: I also think these last two years are incredible additions

1047
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: to mcveigh's resume, Like Andy Reid's resume isn't all super

1048
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: Bowl so it's a lot of like, well, he went

1049
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: twelve and five with Jeff Garcia one year in Philadelphia,

1050
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: Like when you do things last year one and four,

1051
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: or last year three and six, this year one and four,

1052
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: and to be win the division more than likely back

1053
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: to back years is just an awesome job with a

1054
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: bunch of young guys on defense. And like you said,

1055
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: and listen, you get credit for the third round pick,

1056
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 1: but they're lucky that Pooka is there, like a top

1057
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: five wide receiver. Imagine if he had just been Okay,

1058
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: they would be in major trouble.

1059
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 2: Okay, so I've been right on Darnold. I got to

1060
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 2: take a wrong on this. I was always a defender

1061
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 2: on Kyler Murray because I thought he was I thought

1062
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 2: he was a better version talent wise, or Russell Wilson.

1063
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: I thought he was more elusive and throw a better ball.

1064
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 2: He is historically small. He's five eight and a half's

1065
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 2: he looks so if you take the sideline shot when

1066
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,479
Speaker 2: he's in the pocket, sometimes you'll get the sideline shot

1067
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 2: you can't see. I mean, he's smaller than to us significantly.

1068
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 2: But in the last six games, and this is post

1069
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving football is big boy football. Five touchdowns, eight picks,

1070
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 2: and a passer rating in the seventies. And he's got

1071
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 2: McBride is an all world He's going to be a

1072
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 2: ten time All Pro tight end. Harrison is more than capable,

1073
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 2: Connor's an excellent running back. The O line's okay, not great,

1074
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 2: but okay. This is not a franchise that's bankrupt of

1075
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 2: offensive talent. There's players here, and you know what, I think,

1076
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 2: work ethic catches up to you. You can make you

1077
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 2: can go so long on talent. But John I've always

1078
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 2: believed this. Kobe Bryant at work people, MJ outwork people.

1079
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 2: There's a lot of guys in this league lack of

1080
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 2: work ethic. Curry is a workaholic, Jannis Kyner, Murray's not.

1081
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 2: And I've got it pretty connected. And the truth is

1082
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 2: that's caught up to him is that the really good

1083
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 2: defensive coaches this league punishes you. I mean, you can

1084
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 2: only coach twenty hours in college. You can just get

1085
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 2: away with being talented. You can't in the NFL. And

1086
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 2: I've said this two weeks in a row.

1087
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: I like Kyler.

1088
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 2: He has a market if you got him the right team.

1089
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 2: I think Arizona's going to have a discussion to see

1090
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 2: if they can move him.

1091
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: I really do. To me, my takeaway last night was

1092
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,439
Speaker 1: I would write it out another year and just keep

1093
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: building up the team. But if you are able to

1094
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: unload him for anything of value, I think you could

1095
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: justify it. I mean, he has been a turnover machine

1096
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: down the stretch. Now on the flip side, i'd go,

1097
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: is this team even that good? I mean, like you said,

1098
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: they do have some offensive pieces, but defensively, the casual

1099
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: football fans beside Buddha Baker not gonna be able to

1100
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: name a guy. I think the coach has done a

1101
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 1: really good job to just have them in position all

1102
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: the year. I do think it's hard. I do wonder

1103
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: if his market, like would you just get rid of

1104
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 1: him for like a third round pick? I think you're

1105
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: better off just keeping him. Well, now if you could

1106
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: get a high value, like who else are you?

1107
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 2: So?

1108
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 1: What else are you doing?

1109
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 2: I've made this argument. I think this year you can

1110
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 2: get a number one from Garrett Wilson the Jets. Why

1111
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 2: it's a bad draft, it's a really weak draft. I

1112
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 2: think I think Kyler Murray last year, you're not getting

1113
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 2: much Kyler Murray. Next year you may not get much

1114
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray in this draft. I think you can get

1115
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 2: a number one.

1116
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: I really do.

1117
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 2: There's nothing I mean, listen, every year we have seven

1118
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 2: teams that need a quarterback. There's Cam who will play immediately,

1119
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 2: and Shadu will play immediately. There's not another college quarterback

1120
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 2: that can play. And if the Vikings franchise Dnald, it's

1121
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 2: Aaron Cousins. I mean to me, Kyler's gonna have a market.

1122
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, he definitely would have a market. I don't know

1123
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: if you get a one because all the crappy teams

1124
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 1: and need quarterbacks are all drafted high. So would you

1125
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: trade like the ninth pick if you're the Raiders for him?

1126
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: I think you would. You know, if you just need

1127
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: to kind of get a little spark in your organization,

1128
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,720
Speaker 1: would you just give your second round pick right or something?

1129
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: And if you're them, is it just time to pivot

1130
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: off this situation? The irony about last night I thought

1131
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 1: was one one of his better games. Now, he did

1132
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: throw you know, the bomb pick that was maybe a

1133
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: foot too high for Marvin Harrison in a great play

1134
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 1: in the last play. It's just, I mean, a freaky,

1135
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: unlucky play by both guys. I honestly, here's why I

1136
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: will say about him. I had full confidence that he

1137
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: was gonna lead him on that they were gonna score

1138
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: a touchdown. I was like, the Rams are gonna lose

1139
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: this game, and I thought how he was gonna score

1140
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: was one of his classic scrambles. Everyone's in the back

1141
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: of the end zone. He runs it right in and

1142
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: when they threw that pick, You're like, God, that has

1143
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: to be deflating because they had him right against the rope. Yep.

1144
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: But that's kind of been his defining characteristic. I would

1145
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: say this last month of he has just had I mean,

1146
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: turnovers have been a huge part of his game, and

1147
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: it's not like he's thrown up three or four touchdowns.

1148
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: That's one thing with Sam Darnold, Like he had the

1149
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: pick today, but he also threw three sweet touch.

1150
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,959
Speaker 2: Well, here's the other thing. If you're Arizona, he won't

1151
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,479
Speaker 2: age well. He's not a quarterback that's gonna age well

1152
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 2: because he like Steph Curry age as well because he'll

1153
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 2: dribble and shoot forever. Certain guys like Russell Westbrook's age

1154
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 2: poorly because he's hyper athletic. Cam Newton aged poorly because

1155
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 2: he was he was not pre snap Cam was about

1156
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 2: just sheer talent. Big Ben I thought age very quickly

1157
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 2: Kyler's going to age quickly. By the way, how many

1158
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 2: times in that game did he face pressure? That dude

1159
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 2: does not want to get hit? He Kyler, you can

1160
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 2: He'll trip over his own feet like he didn't want

1161
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 2: to get a hit. Had I had a pass rusher

1162
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 2: three years ago? Tell me, he said, He goes, I've

1163
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 2: played Kyler Murray. He said, I've never played against the quarterback.

1164
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 2: This is an elite pass rusher. He goes off the air.

1165
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 2: He goes, I've never played against the guy. He said.

1166
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 2: He he winces when you hit him, like he's a

1167
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 2: baseball player. He didn't like to get hit at all.

1168
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 2: Some guys like Burrows like, hey, it's part of it, darnold.

1169
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:53,360
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1170
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1178
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 2: talking about this for two weeks. Nine teams right now

1179
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 2: have four wins or fewer less than half of that

1180
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 2: last year four this year. It's almost NBA like there

1181
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 2: is a lot of bad football. It is atrocious. We

1182
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 2: also have three thirteen win teams. So the top is

1183
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 2: bigger and the bottom's huge. Is it a one off

1184
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 2: or is it the reality now? Of two things? The

1185
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 2: league is now so quarterback centric that again Burrows the

1186
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 2: only good quarterback, elite quarterback that's not gonna make the play.

1187
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 2: If you have one, you get in. And Cincinnati may

1188
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 2: still but if you have one, you get in. I mean, go,

1189
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 2: look I went, I'm going to go seven for eight,

1190
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 2: I think potentially in my division picks. Why because I

1191
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 2: took the best quarterbacks. It's never been easier. And because

1192
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 2: of every owner's a billionaire, there's more chaos and ownership,

1193
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 2: they're more impulsive. They fire people quicker, which creates more chaos.

1194
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 2: So the bad organizations are worse, you know, like the

1195
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 2: Giants have been bad for six years now they're I mean,

1196
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 2: it's despite today it's like, oh my god, this is embarrassing.

1197
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 2: Chicago's embarrassing. I don't think it's a one off. I

1198
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 2: think we're going to have a larger bottom because owners

1199
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 2: getting wealthier, wealthier, they're writing forty eight million dollars to

1200
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 2: get coaches off the payroll. As a rounding air, you

1201
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 2: used to just stick it out? What do you make

1202
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 2: of this massive bottom tier?

1203
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: Now? I feel like for the last couple decades, the

1204
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: quarterback thing has been pretty true. You know. I think

1205
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: you've been able to get away with it in the

1206
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: eighties and nineties if you built up your team. But

1207
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: I think that's been a pretty consistent theme, like the

1208
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: shitty teams don't have a quarterback, that's why they're drafting high.

1209
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: I think the money aspect of it and the ability

1210
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: to fire whoever. And I think on the flip side,

1211
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: you have coaches and executives doing everything humanly possible for power,

1212
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: and I would imagine the league's always been relatively political.

1213
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: But when there is this much money on the line

1214
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: to be a general manager and pay five I mean,

1215
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: how many gigs in America pay w two jobs pay

1216
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: five million dollars an assistant coach as a coordinator makes

1217
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: two three million dollars. They're not the decision maker. They're

1218
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: not near the top of the org chart. They're way down.

1219
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: They don't have any responsibility really beside calling the plays

1220
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: in terms of when shit hits the fan. So I

1221
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: think you have a lot of Like I think it's

1222
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: much more difficult. We talk about this a lot with players,

1223
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: you know, building a team, and I think young people

1224
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: naturally kind of gravitate toward each other and good teams

1225
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: like everyone's kind of friends. I think coaching is just

1226
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: so corporate. Everyone's trying to take out each other. You

1227
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: can't trust anybody. I think the league, the amount of

1228
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: money that has come in for front office and coaching,

1229
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 1: has made this completely separate from a lot of politicians

1230
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: in the end, just because you work in the NFL.

1231
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: And I wasn't there long, but I always had this

1232
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: ass like, once you get there, everyone is such a

1233
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: high level guy. It's just not the case, right. And

1234
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: then the longer I've been around this, knowing a bunch

1235
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 1: of people with a bunch of teams, you hear these stories.

1236
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: It's just like any industry when there's a lot of money,

1237
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: the cream will always separate. But people can still make

1238
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: a lot of money being shitty. And how often do

1239
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 1: we see I mean, the Atlanta Falcons are about to

1240
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: play like McKay runs Arthur Blank's trust, you know, and

1241
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: he like runs the football. But you know, it becomes

1242
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: like these family businesses, but these star billion dollar businesses.

1243
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: Most family I've had some family business like close personal

1244
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: friends that run family businesses and got bought out for

1245
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: let's say twenty thirty million dollars. Like that's an American

1246
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: success story. They built this business, they sold it for

1247
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: thirty forty million dollars. These people have businesses that are

1248
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: worth not a billion. We're talking like six seven. If

1249
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 1: Mark Davis put the Raiders for sale, I mean, could

1250
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: he get eight? Could he get nine? I mean, how

1251
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: many companies in America are worth as much money?

1252
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 2: I think?

1253
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: And the Raiders are a good example. They've always had

1254
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: these people that like leads their way in because it's

1255
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: just like a money training and I think it's hard

1256
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: for some of these owners. And we look at all

1257
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: the bad teams. It's all these owners that are listening

1258
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 1: to the wrong people. Yeah, but you know who Steve

1259
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: Bushatty listens to Da Costa Ozzy and Harbaugh. You know

1260
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: who the Yorks listen to, John and Kyle. It's like

1261
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: the I think the chiefs Andy and Veach are very simple.

1262
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 1: They operate like a small business. These others start operating

1263
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 1: like fortune five hundred companies where I want it on

1264
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: the board of directors. I got an idea for you.

1265
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: The kids are involved, and it just becomes Wackoville. And

1266
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: obviously because it's so public and it's a fun thing.

1267
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: It's why Kevin Warren. Kevin Warren has a seven figure job,

1268
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: but you know what his job, no one cares. When

1269
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: he sells PSLs or sells the aiming right steel for

1270
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of dollars, no one will give a shit.

1271
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: But you know what people care about your third round pick, Yeah,

1272
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator. And so when you can start getting

1273
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: involved with that, and I think that has permeated all

1274
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:15,439
Speaker 1: over the league, or at least you know, all these

1275
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: crappy teams, and I think they struggle with that. And

1276
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: these owners have money. Everyone's just trying to leach on

1277
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: because the money right now is I mean, it's like outrageous.

1278
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's crazy. If you could bring back

1279
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: Lamar Hunt and now Davis and Eddie de Barbelow, and

1280
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 1: I would have told these guys in the eighties what

1281
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: this would become. No one could have foreseen what it

1282
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 1: has become. I mean we've seen it come in the

1283
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: last decade, but forty years when I was a kid football.

1284
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: I mean, Tellary cab one point time. I think when

1285
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 1: it first started, it wasn't like thirty forty million dollars.

1286
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was thirty years ago.

1287
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: John Madden was being paid eight million dollars, making more

1288
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 1: than like all the players.

1289
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 2: So I want to touch on a couple of college things.

1290
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 2: So cam Ward and sure Sanders in a very weak

1291
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 2: class are going to go one and two. Should or

1292
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 2: did not play terribly well against BYU, they got run.

1293
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 2: Cam Ward, I would have skipped the bowl game instead

1294
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 2: of played the first half, not play the second, just

1295
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 2: because if I would have played poorly, I would have

1296
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 2: wanted to play the second half. I don't think it

1297
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 2: will affect Listen, if you need a quarterback you're gonna draft.

1298
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 2: I don't think it has any effect on cam Ward's

1299
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 2: draft status, do you?

1300
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: No, I pays you, and I think most people in

1301
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: the NFL non playoff Bowl games are pretty meaningless. Do

1302
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 1: you want to play, whether you play, Yeah, no one

1303
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: gives a shit. I would disagree. I don't think he's

1304
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 1: a lock to be the second pick by any means.

1305
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 2: Well, I think these I think Shoudur and Cam will

1306
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 2: be the top two quarterbacks taken.

1307
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: Oh gotcha, gotcha? I just don't know. Like so one

1308
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: and two, I think this draft is very up in

1309
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 1: the air. Unlike last year was pretty clear guys quarterbacks

1310
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:48,919
Speaker 1: were going high.

1311
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 2: So I think New England's got the number one pick.

1312
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 2: I think somebody will trade up to number one, just

1313
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 2: out of fear. I mean, Tennessee.

1314
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 1: You know what I would do if I was them, Colin,

1315
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 1: What wouldn't you just take Travis Hunter and just try

1316
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: to get some positive momentum. He's a yeah, looks like

1317
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 1: a generational prospect. Yes, that's what I would do. Don't

1318
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: overthink could get the guy and just obviously you could

1319
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 1: make a trade back. But is it one of those

1320
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 1: times just take Travis Hunter and just move on and

1321
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 1: put a smile on everyone's face.

1322
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 2: Well, if I was, Let's say, for instance, the Giants

1323
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:18,959
Speaker 2: who are now third or fourth in the draft wanted

1324
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 2: to move up and Tennessee is second. I could see

1325
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 2: both those team taking quarterbacks. Could I could see New

1326
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 2: England saying, okay, we'll move back no later than third,

1327
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 2: No later than third, especially if somebody moves up to

1328
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 2: take a quarterback. If he's one of these four or

1329
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 2: five teams like New Orleans could take a quarterback Las

1330
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 2: Vegas has taken a quarterback, then I'd feel good. But

1331
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 2: I do think the player to take for New England

1332
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 2: is probably Travis Hunter. I think he's electric. This is

1333
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 2: a team for four years running just doesn't have playmakers.

1334
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 2: He's a playmaker on both sides. I think Cam is

1335
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 2: the better athlete, with a bigger arm, and I think

1336
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 2: you could talk yourself into him being number one. He's

1337
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 2: got a little bit of an edge to him. I've

1338
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 2: been told, but you know whatever, Schaduur's more polished. I

1339
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 2: don't think either as an a prospect. I don't think.

1340
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 2: I don't think either one of them is Caleb Jaden Daniels.

1341
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 2: I don't think either one of them. I like throwing

1342
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 2: the ball as well as Michael Pennix. How do you

1343
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 2: view him as a former NFL skut. I think they're

1344
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 2: B plus prospects.

1345
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say cam is the physically more physically

1346
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 1: gifted guy. Uh Shador I think is the better player,

1347
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 1: But Shador has a little bit and maybe it's just

1348
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 1: the team he was on, but we've seen this carry

1349
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 1: over for Caleb holds onto the ball a little long now.

1350
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: Granted I would too to try to wait for some

1351
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 1: of my wide receivers to get open. One thing I

1352
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: will say about Shador is over the course of his

1353
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: couple of years in Colorado, and I didn't watch much

1354
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 1: of BYU. I had it on a second TV, but

1355
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 1: every time I looked up, he was getting killed. Yeah,

1356
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: he's tough, he can handle it. I think I think

1357
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 1: cam Ward's grades are gonna be all over the map.

1358
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be He's gonna be a pretty

1359
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 1: fascinating prospect. I think when the dust settles, probably if

1360
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 1: I was a betting man, should Door ends up going

1361
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 1: number one overall, especially of New England. You know Trey

1362
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: obviously they're not gonna take him, but yeah, trades back

1363
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 1: a couple spots. I could see cam Wore going anywhere

1364
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 1: from two to like ten. You know, I think he

1365
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: is going to be a polarizing prospect. I think Travis Hunter,

1366
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,720
Speaker 1: and I'm sure you've heard this too consistent theme. We've

1367
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 1: seen some drafts recently with like the Pinae Sools and

1368
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 1: Jamar Chases and Micah Parsons and just some elite players

1369
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 1: draft in the top fifteen. I don't think this draft

1370
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 1: viewed as like Hall of famers everywhere up now, I've

1371
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 1: been told you could be drafted at eighteen and get

1372
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 1: the same player the dude that drafts at four gets

1373
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 1: even last year, like it was pretty clear at the

1374
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 1: top a lot of good players, this draft is not

1375
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: viewed like that at all. I mean there's not left

1376
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: tackle that I don't think anyone views as like Lane Johns.

1377
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 2: My favorite player Mike can't miss player is not Travis Hunter,

1378
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 2: because I think if he comes in and wants to

1379
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 2: be a receiver but he's a better corner, it could

1380
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 2: go sideways. The best player I've seen in college football

1381
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 2: is Mason Graham, the defensive tackle for Michigan. I think

1382
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 2: he is a ten year All Pro. I think Mason

1383
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:03,799
Speaker 2: Graham's the best player. I think that receiver from Arizona,

1384
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 2: Temac McMillan, is a can't bust player. I think the

1385
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 2: corner from Michigan. Will Johnson is not going to miss

1386
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 2: I think he's I think two of the three best players.

1387
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 2: I think even Kelvin Banks and Texas tackle. I could

1388
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 2: see him coming in and just being okay. I think

1389
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 2: there's a lot of I think there's a lot of.

1390
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 1: Lsu tackle too. I think people like him, but they

1391
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 1: don't love him.

1392
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 2: I think Travis Hunter. I mean, I think Shaduur and

1393
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 2: Cam are as good as where they land. I think

1394
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 2: if Shadur lands with a team like, for instance, let's

1395
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 2: say Shaduur the Raiders now with another win, probably won't

1396
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 2: get him. And I don't think Telesco loves either one

1397
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 2: of these quarterbacks. I don't know that, but I just

1398
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 2: just knowing. You know that he drafted Herbert and what

1399
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 2: he looks for in terms of size and mobility is

1400
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 2: neither one of these guys. To me feels like that. No,

1401
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 2: Mason Graham's the best player. Will Johnson the corner of

1402
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 2: Michigan team act the Arizona kid. I think it was

1403
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 2: a down year for the SEC. I think we have

1404
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 2: to be totally honest about this. Is Georgia now, I

1405
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 2: mean Georgia doesn't have Carson back. I think they're very beatable. Jesus,

1406
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 2: USC beat eight and four, LSU and eight and four Texas,

1407
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 2: A and M. I mean and everybody out here as

1408
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley getting whacked. It's like, I don't think the SEC.

1409
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 2: I don't think it's your typical year. In fact, my

1410
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 2: two favorite players right now in college football in terms

1411
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 2: of talent are Caleb Downs for Ohio State and the

1412
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 2: receiver for Ohio State Smith.

1413
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 1: Those to me are that they're not even draft eligible.

1414
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,640
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I mean to me, if they were draft eligible,

1415
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 2: I'm not joking. And I say this in a bad

1416
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 2: quarterback year, if you didn't need a quarterback, like New England,

1417
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 2: they would take that wide receiver from Ohio State. And

1418
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 2: I think who's taking number two right now Tennessee probably

1419
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 2: needs a quarterback. If a team didn't need a quarterback

1420
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 2: in this draft, I would take those two Ohio State

1421
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 2: over every single player in this draft.

1422
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: I'm dead s Yes, yeah, I think Texas has a

1423
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:07,759
Speaker 1: couple of players number eleven that's an underclassman that's not eligible.

1424
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 1: I mean, so I think some of their best players

1425
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:11,640
Speaker 1: are not draft eligible. That's, you know, a good thing.

1426
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:14,759
Speaker 1: If you're starked, I think the tight end at Penn

1427
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 1: State's pretty damn Waller Tyler Warren or Warren Warren, Tyler Warren. Yeah, yeah,

1428
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 1: number forty four. He's the real deal. I think one

1429
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 1: thing if we look at you know, we're big AFC

1430
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 1: West guys, Denver and the Chargers. They need a running back, right,

1431
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 1: young running back. It is a great running back class.

1432
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 2: Listen, let me throw it. Let me throw it at you,

1433
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 2: and he'll probably be a fifth round running back. And

1434
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 2: I don't want to sound like a Homer Woody Marks

1435
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 2: usc Is today I went and looked at the top

1436
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 2: twenty running backs in this class. They had this kid

1437
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 2: up like fourteen, and I'm like, holy shit, he is

1438
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 2: the best running back usc has had. I'm serious since Reggie.

1439
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 2: He is in a Laken Cat. She can block, he

1440
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:03,560
Speaker 2: can run. And they had him listed I think fourteenth

1441
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 2: or fifteenth best running back in the time. I'm glad

1442
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 2: you brought this up. It is the best running back

1443
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 2: draft I can remember in years.

1444
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean that's the thing with uh, you know,

1445
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 1: obviously gent all time great season, but he's five to

1446
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 1: eight and it's like, okay, you're gonna take him. Pick

1447
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 1: seventeen or twenty two, when you could just take your

1448
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:27,839
Speaker 1: starting running back the following round and get a corner

1449
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 1: or get a linebacker, or get a better player. And

1450
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: that's why I think this. I was watching the Holiday Bowl,

1451
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 1: Syracuse had a kid. I'm like, this guy's really good.

1452
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 1: Every team you watch, Carolina, Washington, Yeah, every team just

1453
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 1: has an NFL back and they physically look at they're

1454
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 1: just jack. Most of them are two ten to two twenty.

1455
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,719
Speaker 1: They break tackles, they get downhill. This running back lass.

1456
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 1: That's the one thing I've heard absolutely stacked with NFL.

1457
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 1: The Chargers and the Broncos. You watch both those two teams.

1458
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, Jim, but I even think Denver

1459
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 1: they will take a running back on the set second day,

1460
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 1: in the second or third round, and if they hit,

1461
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 1: that could change both those two offenses.

1462
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, so we're gonna have great quarterfinal games. We'll

1463
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 2: make We'll wrap it up with this. I'll take Penn

1464
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 2: State close over Boise State close. What say you?

1465
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 1: I like Penn State pretty big and I think they

1466
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:18,759
Speaker 1: beat him by double digits.

1467
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 2: I'll take Texas over Arizona State comfortably. A couple of

1468
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 2: touchdowns yeah.

1469
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:27,679
Speaker 1: I think that's a massive talent mismatch. Tough, tough draw

1470
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 1: for ASU.

1471
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 2: I think Ohio State beats Oregon by about a touchdown.

1472
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 2: I don't know if the time off for a young

1473
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 2: Oregon team helped. I'll take the Buckeyes.

1474
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Oregon here. I think everyone's going Ohio State.

1475
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna overreact a little bit and listen

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Speaker 1: to that game. They just got their ass kicked by Michigan.

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Speaker 1: I think people are sleeping on Oregon best teams start

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Speaker 1: to finish Rose Bowl, it's gonna feel like, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl we all grew up on. I like

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Speaker 1: Oregon in that game.

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Speaker 2: Notre Dame Georgia, I do it. I'm gonna take Notre

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Speaker 2: Dame same same. Yeah, I think it's cool.

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Speaker 1: Georgia hasn't been very good this year, and I mean

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Speaker 1: for their standards. I mean they have been a shell

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Speaker 1: of what they've been. That's still good, but.

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Speaker 2: I think Notre Dame explosive in the run game. You know,

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Speaker 2: everybody's making fun of me. I like Riley Leonard. I

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Speaker 2: think he's cleaned his act up. I think he's I

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Speaker 2: think he came there and he was raw. I don't

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Speaker 2: think he's as raw. I think he's going to get

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Speaker 2: drafted in the fourth or fifth round in the NFL

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Speaker 2: this year. It's a very weak quarterback draft. I think

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Speaker 2: Riley Leonard will go somewhere. But you know, you don't

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Speaker 2: have to have a great quarterback. I'm not a huge

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Speaker 2: Viewers fan. I'm not a big Will Howard fan. I

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Speaker 2: think Dylan Gabriel is good not an NFL quarterback. I

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Speaker 2: think Riley Leonard is good enough to win a national championship.

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Speaker 1: I do, yeah. I actually think Penn State. I think

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Speaker 1: aller and that team. I think Notre Dame and Penn

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Speaker 1: State are very similar. They're going to run the ball

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Speaker 1: down your throat and play defense, and if their quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: just play solid, I think they can both those two

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Speaker 1: teams can win this whole thing where most people I

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Speaker 1: think are gonna pick Georgia, Oregon, Ohio State. But I

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Speaker 1: think people are sleeping on Notre Dame. In Penn State

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Speaker 1: running the ball defense historically that wins in the NFL

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Speaker 1: a little different. These games are all neutral site, nice

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Speaker 1: you know weather, which I would say neutralizes their strength.

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Speaker 1: But I think Penn st I could see Penn State

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Speaker 1: going on a little run here.

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Speaker 2: I would love it. I would talk about the draft, Carter,

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Speaker 2: that rush in they have. That dude can play. He's

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Speaker 2: a top six or seven player.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's really good. All right.

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Speaker 2: John Mindelcoff, the former NFL scout. His podcast is three

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Speaker 2: and out. Hardest working guy in this business is always buddy.

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Speaker 2: Great talking to you.

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Speaker 1: See you later this week.

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Speaker 2: The volume