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Speaker 2: He's the Drive with Dale Lolli and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 2: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 2: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolli. He is

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Speaker 3: the Matt Williamson. And well it's a lovely Wednesday outside

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Speaker 3: here in Pittsburgh, Sora. That's so nice right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: last night a storm rolled to here, knock the lights out.

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Speaker 3: We are actually in a studio here that actually has power.

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Speaker 3: Everything else in the building out out. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I walked in and there's something's beeping and I went

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Speaker 4: to use the drinking fountain. That doesn't work. I guess

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Speaker 4: that's the electricity. I didn't put two and two together

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Speaker 4: on that. Then you broke my heart and you're like,

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Speaker 4: I don't think you can make a coffee either.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, Matt always drinks two to three cups of coffee.

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Speaker 3: It's always the same.

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Speaker 4: There's one full one and then it gets almost to

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Speaker 4: the end, and then I top it off and then

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Speaker 4: I go to water.

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Speaker 3: At the end.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, now my systems almost now and I generated and

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Speaker 4: to really pull back the curtain. Last night's the first

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Speaker 4: night I didn't sleep with my seapap for like years,

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Speaker 4: and I'm tired as could be. I'm like, oh, I

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Speaker 4: can't wait for that coffee heartbreaker the day that it

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Speaker 4: couldn't be there because we have power all night, I

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Speaker 3: It came rolling through by my house really bad, but

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Speaker 3: we didn't We never lost electricity or anything.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of trees down.

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Speaker 3: But I texted you last I knew somebody was coming

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Speaker 3: home from it from the South Hills. He he had

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Speaker 3: done a baseball game up there. I'mpired a baseball game,

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Speaker 3: and he was telling me it was really bad. It

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Speaker 3: I'm like, well, we didn't get hit quite that hard.

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Speaker 3: We got hit, but not anything like that. And then

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Speaker 3: I texted you later in the night and you didn't

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Speaker 3: get back to me. I'm like, oh, I bet Matt's Yeah.

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Speaker 4: My phone was a paperweight for a while there until

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Speaker 4: about noon today. Yeah. And what's crazy is some for

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Speaker 4: whatever in our house, we don't get good cell service

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Speaker 4: unless we use the internet. So my kids were losing

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Speaker 4: their minds. They were just going anywhere that had Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I was like, that's like going back to the old

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Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, They're like, I forgot what my son was saying,

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Speaker 4: something like this is like the eighteen hundreds here. I'm like,

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Speaker 4: not quite. You still have fiddling on your iPad, but

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Speaker 3: You know, in regards to that. So I've been doing

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Speaker 3: this a long time. And a friend of mine from

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Speaker 3: we were talking. He came to Pittsburgh a couple about

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Speaker 3: for you know, before he flew back to Boston, and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how it used to be.

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Speaker 3: He's like, they couldn't they couldn't figure out how to

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Speaker 4: I mean, like everybody. We would be on our corded

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Speaker 4: But who knows or you know, somehow we all made

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Speaker 3: It's so I bring that up because it's funny. I

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Speaker 3: was chatting with working on a story on Derek Carmon, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: first round draft pick. I talked to his high school

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Speaker 3: And it was a private school, so it wasn't like

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Speaker 3: it was a neighborhood situation. Okay. He went to an

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Speaker 4: So a lot of them are from distance.

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Speaker 3: They're all, yeah, they're not all in the same neighborhood

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Speaker 3: he said he was. He was like another coach with that.

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Speaker 3: He said, he's a great leader.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've gotten that impression. You know, super well organized,

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Speaker 4: And Mike Pursuda was telling stories about him right after

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Speaker 3: So, uh just interesting how you know, just some of

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Speaker 4: Maybe you ask about an opponent that you're that you're

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Speaker 3: Doing right right right. Couldn't do it, I mean, especially

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Speaker 4: You couldn't get there at all. Yeah, And I didn't

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Speaker 3: That was the first time I saw somebody in a mask.

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Speaker 4: That's strange. Yeah, I remember here in Philip River is

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Speaker 3: Anyway, so, uh, Steelers again will have their rookie Mini

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Speaker 3: Every team has some guys they bring in for tryouts.

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Speaker 4: People don't realize that it is kind of almost like

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Speaker 3: say there is there any names you knew of that

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Speaker 3: and I would think that happens before the mini camp. Yes,

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Speaker 3: that that well, that happens the rookie Mini camp. Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 3: they just bring because you don't for rookie Mini camp,

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Speaker 4: The field some semblance of a team. Yeah, and you

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Speaker 4: if they didn't draft a quarterback. You need a quarterback

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Speaker 4: at these things, right, at least one, probably two. So

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Speaker 4: they're definitely gonna have another not even a camp arm

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Speaker 4: So probably somebody local and and for that guy, it's

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Speaker 4: something you might keep him around. I think I saw

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Speaker 4: you might keep him around just because, just because let's

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Speaker 4: keep let's keep.

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Speaker 3: A fourth arm around until Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 4: Signed specialist could be the same way or whatever. Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you gotta be you got a leg up over whoever else.

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Speaker 3: Right, at least you do something play that position. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's interesting. I did want to make some clarification here

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Speaker 3: yesterday I misspoke with the with the situation with Nick

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Speaker 3: Krbrigg's contract. He just finished year two. Yeah, for some

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Speaker 3: reason I had in my head it was year three.

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Speaker 4: I was thinking about that too, like they got that

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Speaker 4: that's two years down the road, that that could be

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Speaker 4: the situation, right, I'm not gonna lose him next.

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Speaker 3: No, Yeah, he's here for next season in which is big. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I remember talking through him like, boy, that seems quick.

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Speaker 4: It's depth, depth, depth, depth raising them. But he said, fine,

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Speaker 3: glad you had him. Right. You know, it's not a

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Speaker 3: interesting moves going on around the league with the fifty

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Speaker 3: And we are back. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the

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Speaker 3: Matt Williamson and Matt we've talked about this one over

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Speaker 3: that's a Kenny Pickett year. Yeah. The Ravens announcing today

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Speaker 3: Cal Hamilton. Cale Hamilton, I haven't seen any of this yet. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they're not going to pick it up on center Tyler Linderbaum.

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Speaker 4: Which we've talked about this before, but is not an

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Speaker 3: And yet that's what people look at, Well, you didn't

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Speaker 4: Right, all right? I mean the Steelers didn't pick up

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Speaker 3: Fully guarantee gantee the moment you offer that, not only

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the thing that timing is always so goofy

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Speaker 3: They would like contract discussions with him. But if I'm him,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, well, I could have had twenty three point

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Speaker 4: Need, there's more seats that they're going to still have.

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Speaker 3: So looking at this the guys who've been picked up already.

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Speaker 4: We have lights on it. How about that. I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, which is tops good money.

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Speaker 3: That's why you see guys that there's just.

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Speaker 3: So the difference between Walker on a playtime, they play

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Speaker 4: Okay, so that's not a bad pickup for him. He's young.

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Speaker 3: Hutchinson's fifty year option twenty point eight million. Wow, he

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and Ikey started slow and now they're happy enough

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Speaker 3: You know, Jones is going to have the play He'll

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Speaker 3: Oh well, wor getting Matt Coffee. So seventeen point five

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Speaker 3: It will go up next year when the stato is

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Speaker 4: That's a no.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure who the Giants didn't. They didn't take the

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Speaker 4: He's been terrible, Like that's an easy decision for this.

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00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,119
Speaker 3: He'd be worth him. I'm like a six round pick.

436
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:37,679
Speaker 3: Somebody would have to like and then you only get

437
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,119
Speaker 3: him for a year. Somebody would have to be a

438
00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,719
Speaker 3: disaster at one of your two tackle positions.

439
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:46,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, so no, I just like reclamation projects. I didn't

440
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:47,200
Speaker 4: love him coming out of Bama.

441
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:51,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, Drake London got his picked up. Sixteen point eight million. Okay,

442
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 3: that's a good deal for him. That's the playtime. Yeah,

443
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 3: Charles Cross, so he has not gone to a Pro Bowl,

444
00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 3: No London? Okay, Charles Cross with the Seahawks seventeen point

445
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 3: five million. I would say he's better than that, but

446
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:10,480
Speaker 3: that's the playtime option. Yeah, Chris a Lava with the Saints.

447
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 3: He only qualifies for the basic because he's missed some

448
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,119
Speaker 3: time at some time. Yeah, and receivers are tough to

449
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 3: get the Pro Bowl. It's still fifteen point five million.

450
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's very worth it. I mean, that was

451
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:23,879
Speaker 4: an easy decision money.

452
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,400
Speaker 3: But yeah, Jamis and Williams had has picked up fifteen

453
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 3: point five million basic playtime.

454
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 4: I think that was somewhat questioned.

455
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,639
Speaker 3: Some of that was by his own time stuff. I've

456
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 3: been suspended for about fifteen games.

457
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

458
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 3: More more than that. He gets his whole season right,

459
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 3: whole season, I think, or at least the majority of

460
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 3: the majority of it.

461
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:39,399
Speaker 1: Uh.

462
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 3: The Eagles surprisingly picked up Jordan Davis's fifty year option.

463
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:44,399
Speaker 4: That one shocks.

464
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 3: Here's the thing though, at defensive tackle, the interior defensive

465
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 3: line is different than defensive.

466
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 4: But interial line isn't right, which is flaw.

467
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 3: It's only twelve point nine million, so at that price, Yeah,

468
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 3: you pick it right.

469
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 4: One more year of a young player, you hope he's developing.

470
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,160
Speaker 3: If you're the Steelers. You hope that Derek Carmon gets

471
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 3: more than just the basicpe he's been to every Pro Bowl.

472
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 3: I hope he's right. At the very least, he better

473
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:12,400
Speaker 3: get the playtime.

474
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, you know, but he didn't.

475
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 3: He didn't hit the playtime because he barely played. He's

476
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 3: not a high snap guy. But twelve point nine million

477
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 3: for a guy who's plays less than fifty percent of

478
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 3: the snaps.

479
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 4: So I guess that's a pretty easy one to pick up.

480
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 3: It would have been fourteen point three for the playtime,

481
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 3: twenty point eight for one Pro Bowl, twenty five point

482
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 3: one if you've made multiple Pro Bowls at D tackle

483
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 3: at dtackle, which is what you're hoping, pretty significant, Yeah yeah,

484
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 3: and by then it'll be thirty. It just tells you

485
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 3: that the big time defensive tackles are getting paid a

486
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 3: lot of money, but it falls off pretty quickly.

487
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,400
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, that's exactly like linebackers like that.

488
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 3: Too, Hamilton, same thing here, But he's been to multiple

489
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 3: Pro Bowls, so he gets eighteen point six million a

490
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 3: big safety salary. If he just had the basic it

491
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 3: was nine point two so half wow.

492
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, doubles just for that, Okay, interesting.

493
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 3: Uh, Kenyon Green. The Eagles did not pick him up. Yeah,

494
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,640
Speaker 3: nor did they pick up Johan Dotson, the next guy.

495
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 3: They've got three first round guys from this including because

496
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 3: they traded for Green.

497
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 4: They traded for Green, three teams to deside on him.

498
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 4: Kind of.

499
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 3: Green's fifty year option would have been sixteen point six

500
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 3: eight million.

501
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 4: They decided not to pick that up. Okay, so that

502
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 4: he's really a one year rental for them. Yeah, that trade.

503
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 3: Johan Dotson has hit the playtime numbers. His number would

504
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 3: have been sixteen point eight. They're not picking picking that up. Uh.

505
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 3: The Chargers haven't made a decision yet. On Zion Johnson.

506
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 4: I would say I thought he was like as safe

507
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 4: as prospect as you could get, and he hasn't been

508
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 4: that safe.

509
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 3: He's he's also a guard. Yeah, seventeen point five to

510
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 3: six million for the playtime option.

511
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 4: A lot of their interior options, a lot of money

512
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 4: for a guard. Ack, then I bet he won't pick

513
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 4: it up.

514
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 3: Treylon Burks with the Titans fifteen point four three four

515
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 3: nine three. They're not they haven't picked that up yet, okay.

516
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 3: Trevor Penning with the Saints. They had two first round

517
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 3: draft picks that year, his would have been he would

518
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 3: be the basic at sixteen point six eighty five. They

519
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:20,239
Speaker 3: haven't picked that up.

520
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 4: No, they drafted a tackle two years in a row.

521
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 3: Now can he pickt now with the Browns. Kind of

522
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 3: funny they didn't know when they traded for him. Now

523
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 3: that they had to make a decision on his fifty

524
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 3: year option.

525
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 4: That's their he's their property when when the deadline hits, Yes,

526
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 4: it's not the Eagles job.

527
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 3: The basic fifty year option for him would have been

528
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 3: twenty two point one million, okay. The playtime option would

529
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 3: have been twenty five point three uh, the one Pro

530
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 3: Bowl option would have been thirty five point three seven

531
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 3: and if you've been the multiple Pro Bowls, forty point.

532
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 4: Twenty four okay. So like Jayden Daniels, I think is

533
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 4: all he gone to a Pro Bowl? Right in one year,

534
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 4: he'll probably go to multiple. Yeah, and he's gonna.

535
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 3: Which is why if you if you've got a quarterback

536
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 3: like that on the fifth year option, you probably want

537
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 3: to rework that. You can do that after the third year, Yeah,

538
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 3: you can. You can get that out of the way.

539
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 3: And just like we're not even gonna mess with that.

540
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 4: I mean, plus you can get injured, and I don't

541
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 4: love the guaranteed part of it.

542
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 3: Trent McDuffie, they picked that one up. Those last one, two, three,

543
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,239
Speaker 3: four or five six guys haven't haven't been a big

544
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 3: stret Trent McDuffie with the Kansas City thirteen point six.

545
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 3: They have picked that up.

546
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 4: That's an easy one. Yeah, so he's that's a playtime

547
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, okay, Kway Walker with the with the Packers,

548
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 4: his would be fourteen point seventy five for being an

549
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 4: off ball linebacker.

550
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 3: He would get the playtime and they haven't picked.

551
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 4: That up yet. I say Cooper's gone past him.

552
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 3: To kyer Elam now with the Cowboys, got drafted by.

553
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I'm sure they won't.

554
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 3: He hasn't even qualified for the playtime yet. He's twelve

555
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 3: point six to eight. Yeah, you're not going to pick

556
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 3: that up. Problematic. Tyler Smith. They are picking that one up,

557
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 3: but it's twenty one point two to seven million.

558
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 4: It's the same as Lenderbaum.

559
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 3: I bet well, Lenderbaum's actually more because he's Tyron Smith

560
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 3: has only been the Enderbaum's a multiple guy. Okay, yeah,

561
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 3: Lenderbaum has been the multiple Pro Bowl. So he gets

562
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three point four and they have not picked

563
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 3: that up by lenderbaumb Yeah they're not going to yes, right, okay.

564
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 3: Jermaine Johnson with the Jets, what are they doing that one?

565
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 3: They really liked him, then he got they picked it up. Okay,

566
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 3: it's thirteen point four. He hasn't hit the playtime? Yeah,

567
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 3: I guess just the basic. Yeah, he also missed all

568
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 3: last year. Yeah. Devin Lloyd was another one with the

569
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 3: Jaguars today they're not picking it up.

570
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,239
Speaker 4: Really, I think he's a really underrated player. I'm not

571
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 4: say he's a superstar, but I.

572
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 3: Think he's an under He's hit the playtime. I'm sure

573
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 3: numbers on that. So it's fourteen point seventy five. The

574
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 3: Packers with Devonte Wyatt that they're picking it up. Really, Yeah,

575
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 3: he's hit. It's the basic and it's probably the same

576
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 3: as Jordan David thirteen point nine two.

577
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I guess it's not that expensive then.

578
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 3: And then you got Cole Strange with the Patriots. That's

579
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 3: they have not picked it up. It's sixteen point six eight.

580
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 4: I'm sure that's the bottom wrong. Yeah, it's still a Ligne.

581
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 3: Money and the Chiefs have picked up George Carl Loftis

582
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 3: at fifteen point one nine six.

583
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 4: These defensive ends aren't too bad.

584
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then Das Hill the Bengals are picking up.

585
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 3: They're picking up Dax Hill, and they're calling him a cornerback.

586
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 4: I think that's what he is now. But he was

587
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 4: a safety then.

588
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's twelve point six eight million, Okay, and that's

589
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 3: just to do that. That's just a basic if.

590
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 4: You position change or you're in the midst of a

591
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 4: position change, is it like go to a committee and

592
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 4: they improve it or not or I don't think.

593
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 3: Maybe it depends on how many you know, the number

594
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 3: of snaps that you've played.

595
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, where her position? Okah makes sense? So he is

596
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 4: a corner now.

597
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean at least uh, you know, twelve guys

598
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 3: there that haven't been picked up, and including Tyler Linderbaum.

599
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 4: This has a pretty good draft class too. I mean

600
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 4: some of the better players, like the London in a

601
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 4: law of as don't cost you too much because they

602
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 4: didn't hit Pro Bowls, so they were pretty easy decisions.

603
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, but if you got multiple first round draft picks,

604
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 3: that's tough.

605
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 4: Oh, it is so Roger Jones. Decision comes one year

606
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 4: from now. Okay, well, stuff happens quick too, because you're

607
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 4: really got to get ahead of it.

608
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 3: He hasn't made a Pro Bowl yet, right, but he

609
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 3: will get to play.

610
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 4: He'll get the playtime for sure. He won't be the

611
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 4: cheapest one, that's what I say.

612
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 3: And if he makes a Pro Bowl this year, then

613
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 3: it goes up. He can't go to multiple but he

614
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 3: could either be he could be one or three. Yeah,

615
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 3: he's going to be Tier two or three guy. And

616
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 3: right now, if you're looking at tier two or three,

617
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 3: you know you're looking at seventeen point five to six

618
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 3: million for the playtime, and you're looking over twenty probably

619
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 3: you're looking at twenty one point twenty seven if he

620
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 3: makes a Pro Bowl. Now, if he makes a Pro Bowl,

621
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 3: you're happy.

622
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 4: Right right right, I mean you gladly give him that money,

623
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 4: and it'll be even more than that.

624
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 3: Especially if he's your starting left tackle.

625
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 4: That's what I mean, right, ye, if he's the Pro

626
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 4: Bowl starting left tackle for the AFC, Okay, you pick

627
00:28:59,040 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 4: it up.

628
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, a great year.

629
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 4: If it's similar, that's a tough decision. Yeah, but that's

630
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 4: that comes quick. Not all that different money than what

631
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 4: Dan Moore signed for. No, exactly, I mean he's twenty ish. Yeah,

632
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 4: good point. Yeah, maybe relatively speaking, if you're gott to

633
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 4: pick up if Jones is still a sending, the sending ascending.

634
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 3: Jones is probably it's seventeen to five for just the

635
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 3: basic playtime offensive line, which is likely what he'll Yeah,

636
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 3: that's probably what he's going to be the decision seventeen

637
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 3: point five to six. Let's say next.

638
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 4: Year, maybe it's eighteen five.

639
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, eighteen five. Dan Moore just signed for twenty one.

640
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 3: It would rather have.

641
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 4: It's not that it's but still it's a lot of money. Yeah,

642
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 4: that's the thing. That's why you always draft tackles. Yeah,

643
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 4: I mean draft lineman because they're.

644
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 3: Really hard to pay, and that edge rusher hard to find.

645
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 3: The guys that took edge rushers in the first round.

646
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 3: This year you got Miles Garrett's contract.

647
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they've spiked, like Parsons has even to have

648
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 4: Parsons sign, Wat's gonna sign.

649
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 3: Maybe Hutchinson gets a new deal maybe you know why, Yeah,

650
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 3: it's got it might be inflation at that, it might

651
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 3: be thirty five. Yeah.

652
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 4: Wow, it's a good point. I say, what positions jumped

653
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Speaker 4: heavily this offseason. That's one really threw things out. I

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Speaker 4: mean Crosby got money.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Crosby is another one, right, Yeah, it's gonna get

656
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Speaker 3: a real price. I mean you get top five money

657
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Speaker 3: at that position if you make multiple Pro Bowls and

658
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Speaker 3: you get the franchise tag value at edge rusher. Yikes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I would say about receiver too. Jamar Chase signed a

661
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Speaker 4: big deal. I mean he was an easy fifth year

662
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Speaker 4: pickup at the time. But man, it's not that team friendly.

663
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Speaker 4: It really is, and it really isn't. Yeah, and it

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Speaker 4: would rather negotiate beforehand. Like if you can get a

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Speaker 4: deal down with Progert Jones, now do it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm not saying right, Steelers are going to do

667
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Speaker 3: that right right, But you know, because you want to

668
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Speaker 3: see I want him to be motivated when I.

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Speaker 4: Want more info. Yeah, I mean I want to see

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Speaker 4: him as the left tackle for seventeen game right right.

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Speaker 3: You know, But if you're like looking at you know,

672
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Speaker 3: for the Seahawks with Charles Cross, Charles Cross is in

673
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Speaker 3: a superstar left tackle, but they're happy with them, They're

674
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Speaker 3: happy with him, and they pick up the option at

675
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Speaker 3: seventeen point five to six. That's going to be where

676
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Speaker 3: you're going to be out with Roderick Jones.

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Speaker 4: And they're probably happy with that, yeah, right.

678
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Speaker 3: Whereas you look at like Trevor Penning and they didn't

679
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Speaker 3: pick that up, and it's like, okay, I get it.

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Speaker 3: He's not even a starter.

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Speaker 4: No, I mean he is drafted tackles second year in

682
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Speaker 4: a row. Yeah, I don't know if he'll be a

683
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Speaker 4: starting guard play it all for them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's an interesting puzzle. It is an interesting puzzle.

685
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Speaker 3: You have to keep looking at it, but at.

686
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Speaker 4: Least you know it's on the horizon. GMS can plan

687
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Speaker 4: for it, right, you know, you've got this decision and

688
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 4: you have a ballpark what he's going.

689
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Speaker 3: To make in that regard though, and there are no

690
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Speaker 3: running backs on this list, the running back numbers for

691
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Speaker 3: the fifth year option isn't outrageous.

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Speaker 4: I remember, it wasn't crazy.

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Speaker 3: The only problem with it is is when you make

694
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Speaker 3: that offer to the running back after his third season,

695
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Speaker 3: you're guaranteeing the fourth year, fully guaranteeing the fourth year

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Speaker 3: in the fifth.

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Speaker 4: Year, right, all right, I mean that's a at a

698
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Speaker 4: wear in terror position, to wear in terror position, I

699
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 4: mean I thought, nause at the time was an easy pickup,

700
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Speaker 4: and then when they didn't, I understood it better and realized.

701
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Speaker 3: Once you thought it out, it was an easy to climb.

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Speaker 4: It was not because he's the bad players. Just I

703
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Speaker 4: don't want to guarantee two.

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Speaker 3: Years, fully guarantee two years to a running back that's not.

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Speaker 4: That at that point, it never missed time runs as

706
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Speaker 4: hard as possible, I mean, destined to get banged up,

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Speaker 4: and he hasn't to his credit, which is pretty incredible.

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Speaker 3: But man, and I say that because if the Steelers

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Speaker 3: hadn't taken, if Derek Carmon had been gone before their.

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Speaker 4: Pick, if that's Hampton or Henderson or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Right, Omari and Hampton or Trevon Henderson would have been

712
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Speaker 3: a Steeler that was going to be their pick, not

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Speaker 3: a quarterback. They were they were taking one of those

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Speaker 3: two running backs.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I know they liked them both a lot, and

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Speaker 4: I would understand it, but that's a tough decision. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean, you would hope at that point they hit

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Speaker 4: a Pro Bowl too. Yeah, I mean, if you're using

719
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Speaker 4: the first round pick on a running back, you'd hope

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Speaker 4: it'd be in the Pro Bowl. Well, on nausey had

721
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Speaker 4: so that Yeah, yeah, that skewed it a little bit too.

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Speaker 4: It didn't help his cause.

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Speaker 3: Well, I guess he wouldn't have been voted as a

724
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Speaker 3: starter to the pro or no, I think he was.

725
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Speaker 3: He might have been like first alternate or something like

726
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: clearly playing time. Yeah, clearly had the playtime, but would

727
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Speaker 3: have been expensive and as it turned out, when you

728
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Speaker 3: dropt on a third round. Yeah. So anyways, let's get

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Speaker 3: to a break. He is the Matt Williamson. I am

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Speaker 3: Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here on the

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Speaker 3: Steelers Audio Network. When we come back, we need to

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Speaker 3: turn the lights back down because we're going to be

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Speaker 3: joined by the Dean of Doom, the Lord of living

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Speaker 3: in his fears, Bob Labriola right after this.

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Speaker 2: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: on your twenty four to seven Home of the Black

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Speaker 2: and Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back to the Drive. I am Dale Lalli.

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Speaker 3: He is the Matt Williamson and you can tell by

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Speaker 3: the foreboding music. We are now joined on the well

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Speaker 3: not to Justin Miller Hotline today today it's the CJ.

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Speaker 3: Wolfly Hotline by Bob Lariola, editor of Steelers Digest and

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Speaker 3: Steelers dot Com and the Dean of doom and lord

744
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Speaker 3: of living in his fears? How you doing, Labs?

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Speaker 1: I thought you used that music for mel Kiper too.

746
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 3: Now it'd be more crazed. Uh, I don't even know

747
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Speaker 3: what it would be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like, yeah, pretty good. I know. I'm starting to

749
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Speaker 1: get my body back to normal rhythms after the three

750
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Speaker 1: days of the NFL Draft, which is anything but a

751
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: normal you know, situation, but uh it was. It was

752
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Speaker 1: pretty interesting. Matt. How's your throat?

753
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Speaker 4: I'm all right to have to do a lot of

754
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 4: shows since so, you know, no rest for the wicked. Right,

755
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 4: got my coffee here, I'm ready to rock. Right, you

756
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 4: never rubbed them down?

757
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: And we'll go.

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00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, some horse ran back there.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: I was a little weary at the end, I must say, Bob.

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Speaker 3: But looking at how the draft went for the Steelers,

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Speaker 3: how things played out, anything that surprised you there that.

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Speaker 1: Took place, uh, you know, I wouldn't say surprise. I

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Speaker 1: mean I thought, uh I liked it. It made a

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Speaker 1: lot of sense to me. I think that you know,

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Speaker 1: there wasn't any what's the word I guess craziness or

767
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: trying to make something out of nothing, you know. I

768
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Speaker 1: mean I think that the Steelers allowed it the picking

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Speaker 1: to come to them, and then they made some solid

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Speaker 1: decisions based on value at that spot and the needs

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Speaker 1: on their roster. Yeah, I mean, uh, the only thing

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Speaker 1: I'll say about the draft is, uh, Friday was was

773
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Speaker 1: just a slog I just I didn't realize how you know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's and it's you know, this is us talking

775
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: here too. It was mentally taxing, you know, to be

776
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: there all that time and not have a pick.

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Speaker 3: Oh, no doubt the people in Cleveland the last three

778
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 3: years having no first, no second, no thirds, Like what

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00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 3: are you doing all day right? For two days?

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Speaker 1: Right? And it's not like you can just you know,

781
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Speaker 1: go lay down and take a nap and you know,

782
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Speaker 1: wake up ten minutes before you know it's your return

783
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Speaker 1: to pick again because you kind of have to be

784
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 1: paying attention to what's going on. But you know, it's

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Speaker 1: it's just really I don't know, just kind of watching, uh,

786
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: watching everybody else do all the shopping. You don't get,

787
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Speaker 1: you don't get to do anything like that. So yeah,

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00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: Friday was you know it would be Okay, if you know,

789
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Speaker 1: like the last two picks of the seventh round weren't

790
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: there and you were done early. But you know, when

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00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: when you have that long gap in the actual middle

792
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: of it, it was it was a little a test

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Speaker 1: of endormance.

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Speaker 4: I think so labs. I think Mike Tomlins said it

795
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Speaker 4: wasn't an agenda to be so Big ten happy in

796
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Speaker 4: their draft class. But I also don't think it's a

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00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 4: shock or a surprise that they took multiple players from

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Speaker 4: Ohio State and Iowa. Do you agree?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, And I think really, I think it's what's

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Speaker 1: going to happen now in future drafts. It's going to

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Speaker 1: be all Big ten and SEC players. Let's let's say

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00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: the majority, because there's a First of all, there's a

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00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: lot of teams now in each of those two conferences.

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Speaker 1: It's not like there were just eight or ten teams.

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00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: The Big ten is as such a misnomer.

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Speaker 3: Now apparently the count.

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Speaker 1: Right, well, they'll do all much better job in the Southeast.

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Speaker 3: Either they can count the dollar bills, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and that's why you're gonna have, uh, the

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Speaker 1: primarily two conferences I think dominating the the NFL draft.

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Speaker 1: Those are the schools with the nil money. Those are

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Speaker 1: the schools that are playing big time football every week. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and so you know, it's just natural. I think that

814
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Speaker 1: the NFL is going to go looking for players in

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Speaker 1: the leagues that are able to closest replicate the level

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Speaker 1: of football that is played in the NFL. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know the Big ten and the SEC. You know

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Speaker 1: those schools, you know, they they know how to run

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Speaker 1: the ball. I mean it's not all you know, air

820
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Speaker 1: raid offense or throw it seventy times. It's not like

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Speaker 1: you know, some of the like Big twelve schools, they

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Speaker 1: never run the ball. You're throwing the ball whether you're

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Speaker 1: up by sixty or done by sixty. Not a lot

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Speaker 1: of defenses played. So yeah, it doesn't It doesn't surprise me.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's kind of the start of a

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Speaker 1: trend and it will only grow, I think as we

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Speaker 1: move on here down the road, until or unless the

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Speaker 1: college football does something to you know, distribute I won't

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Speaker 1: say the wealth, but maybe that's the word. That's the

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Speaker 1: best word. Distribute the wealth around to some of the

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Speaker 1: other schools and some of the other conferences well, at.

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Speaker 3: Least put some limits on what they're able to spend,

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Speaker 3: like there's no salary cap right now in college football.

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Speaker 1: Right this is and this is.

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Speaker 3: Really you know, for people that that complain about the NFL. Shit, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, this is what college football right now is

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Speaker 3: what the NFL would look like if there wasn't revenue sharing.

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Speaker 3: Hio States, the Yankees and you know, right yeah, I

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Speaker 3: mean right now, Pitt would be Green Bay, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 3: the Pirates, right that's that's that's what you're looking at

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Speaker 3: right now.

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Speaker 4: And speaking of Pitt Labs, I heard some people even say,

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Speaker 4: like what you mentioned too about Pitt, or about you

844
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Speaker 4: know the two conferences that cam Ward you know, he

845
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Speaker 4: was in the a CEC but didn't go to the playoffs. Oh,

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Speaker 4: I'd like to see him play some better competition, like

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Speaker 4: I mean, you never heard that before from someone from.

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Speaker 1: The U, right exactly. And you know, the salary cap

849
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Speaker 1: is what kid differential the n NFL from Major League Baseball.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing that's bad about it, I believe

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Speaker 1: in college football is you know, guys, the transfer portal,

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00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: you know, it is messed up. I mean they have

853
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: to they have to get that under control and you know,

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00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: get a specific window and limited you know, try and

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Speaker 1: regiment some of this stuff because you know, these guys

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Speaker 1: players are just I read somewhere and I don't know

857
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Speaker 1: if this is true or not, but it was on

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Speaker 1: the internet. So it has to be right that you

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Speaker 1: look at the top quarterbacks available projected to be available

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Speaker 1: in the next draft, like all but one or two

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00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: of them are have been in the transfer portal, and

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00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: you know, quarterbacks, I think it's really a situation that

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00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: is kind of conducive to that kind of craziness because

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Speaker 1: a kid, there's no sitting behind arch Manning. You know,

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Speaker 1: if you're a Texas, you're going somewhere else. You know,

866
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Speaker 1: it's shocking to me that he didn't go anywhere. You know,

867
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: he sat behind yours.

868
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, Matt talked about this yesterday when when he was

869
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 3: when he was recruiting at Pitt you kind of had

870
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,479
Speaker 3: the board in front of you, knowing, Okay, we got

871
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 3: we got this senior tackle offensive tackle, and our next

872
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 3: guy is like a freshman. Our next guy is a freshman.

873
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 4: Gap between him, So we better get a JC kidd.

874
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 3: Better get a guy there right now.

875
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 4: You don't know it plan what's going to come back.

876
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: Right right? So you know in recruiting. I don't know

877
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: if recruiting anymore. By recruiting, I mean high school kids.

878
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the lifeblood of a college program.

879
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:43,479
Speaker 3: It certainly isn't.

880
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 4: It can't be.

881
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: Why would write why would you want to gamble on

882
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: an eighteen year old when you can probably wait a

883
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: year or two look at a twenty year old and

884
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: have a better idea of what he might be or

885
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: what he is and what he might become. Then you know,

886
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: a seventeen or eighteen year old out of high school.

887
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 3: And there's more time you're spending this time if you

888
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 3: if you bring in the eighteen year old recruit and

889
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 3: he is not a every downstarter for you, or he

890
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 3: doesn't like his playing time, he's just gonna leave after

891
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 3: a year.

892
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 4: Someone will take him.

893
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 3: Somebody else will take him. Yeah, so you I just

894
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 3: wasted my time recruiting that.

895
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 4: How many hours you put into getting a kid to

896
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 4: say yes to your school?

897
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 3: You know?

898
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: And you know there are so many other non non

899
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 1: significant factors that are you have to weigh, you know, cash,

900
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 1: you know, how many how many people in that kid's

901
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: family because he responsible for financially and if you know,

902
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: he might like the coach, and he might like the facility,

903
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: and he might even not hate you know, his role

904
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: at that point in his college career. But if somebody

905
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: comes up with ten or fifth, teen or twenty thousand

906
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: dollars more, somebody might be in his ear. Hey man,

907
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: you've got to go, and you know, go for the money.

908
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: We need the money. So yeah, it's uh, it's messy.

909
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: I think it's only even get messier. And I don't

910
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: know if it's I don't know that it is a

911
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: good thing for the NFL to try and to be

912
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: figuring out all of that as they're also trying to

913
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: draft and fill holes on their own rosters.

914
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 4: And along those lines, like this past class, it really

915
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 4: showed up to me Evyon's talking about what a great

916
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 4: running back class it was, and it was, but so

917
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 4: few of them pass blocked, and the wide receiver class,

918
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 4: so few of them run blocked. Like they're already becoming

919
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 4: divas where I'm not getting the ball, I'm not going

920
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 4: to run this route hard, you know, Like that's amazing

921
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 4: to me, you know.

922
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, And here's you know, just here's another position. How

923
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: many quarterbacks go through their college eligibility and have never

924
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: called to play in a huddle or taken a snap

925
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: from the house.

926
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was everybody at the Senior Bowl this year.

927
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 3: The first day of practice at the Senior Bowl, they

928
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 3: had to practice the center exchange with all the quarterbacks

929
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 3: because none of them have done it before.

930
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and probably never.

931
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: And they don't and they don't use a cadence either.

932
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: They clap their hands.

933
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 3: Right, it's just a it's a different game. Yes, it's

934
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 3: free agency every year in college football now.

935
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: Yes, And as I said, I don't know that it's

936
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: a good thing for college football or for the NFL

937
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: until the NCAA gets gets a little handle on this

938
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: in some way that you know is not against the law,

939
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: which is how they got themselves into this pickle in

940
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: the first place.

941
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,919
Speaker 3: Bob, did you have a favorite Steelers draft pick?

942
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I seriously, I can say something that

943
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: I liked about everyone, you know, the Derek Harmon pick.

944
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: I have believed for a while that it was time

945
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: to do for the defensive line what the Steelers had

946
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: done in the previous couple of off seasons for their

947
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: offensive line. And that happened with both Derek Harmon and

948
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: Whya Black and you know, the Black pick, to me,

949
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: it was okay to pick a big, stout, run plugging

950
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: interior defensive lineman who's maybe a little bit one dimensional

951
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: in that respect, because you already got Harmon right, So

952
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: you know, picking a player like Black first, to me,

953
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: is not the kind of thing you're looking for, because

954
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: I think offenses will just scheme that kind of guy

955
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 1: out of the game if you don't have more diversified

956
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: players at that position who can both play against the

957
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: pass and against the run. So I like those picks.

958
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: You know, Caleb Johnson, you know, let me let me

959
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: give Matt some props. The one, the one stat I

960
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:27,760
Speaker 1: heard him talking about during the draft, Caleb Johnson running

961
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: against stack boxes and how good he is at that.

962
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

963
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: So, and then the other one, also talking about the

964
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: same guy, Arthur Smith talked about his yards per carrying

965
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter and how that is a a statement

966
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: of you know, this guy's ability. And you know, talking

967
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: about football or Big ten football, people have had to

968
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: have watched IOWA lately to understand how bad their offense

969
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: was trying to throw the ball. So this guy had

970
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: no help long and and I'll tell you what, I

971
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: don't call him you know, an NFL.

972
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 3: Caliber quarterback, college quarterback, but not.

973
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: A not a thrower, not somebody that. Okay, so there

974
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 1: was that. I loved the Sawyer pick. Some people think

975
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: it was a luxury, but let's not forget you know,

976
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: the past couple of seasons or the recent past. You know,

977
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: the Steelers have had to do some you know, bargain

978
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: basement shopping for depth there, Marcus Golden, Preston Smith, that

979
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: kind of thing. And you know, I don't know anything

980
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: about Jack Sawyer except this. He's a guy who I

981
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: saw make big time game changing plays on defense in

982
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: big games, and that is worth something. And that's the

983
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: same thing for the quarterback, Will Howard. You know, the

984
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: fact that they won a national championship and he was

985
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 1: the starting quarterback and played his best football down that

986
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: stretch is not something that you should just take lightly.

987
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: And another thing is this, they lost Ohio State lost

988
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: that game to Michigan, and for him and them to

989
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: bounce back from that and play the way they did

990
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: and go on a run and win a trophy and

991
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: he's the quarterback again, that is that says something to

992
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: me that is a laudable about him. You know, Carson brunner.

993
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if Danny Smith can do cartwheels, but

994
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,439
Speaker 1: he might have been doing some cartwheels because I think

995
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: this might be the first time a guy was ever

996
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: picked as a core special teams player or who will

997
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:11,240
Speaker 1: be a core special teams player. Right from the jump,

998
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: you know he's a four Danny Smith calls him a

999
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: four tool guy. Punt, punt return, kickoff, kickoff return. He

1000
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: is a find the ball, get the guy with the

1001
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: ball on the ground, and that is invaluable in special teams.

1002
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: And who knows how these modified kickoff rules are going

1003
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: to impact the number of kickoffs returns. I mean there

1004
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: may be a lot more because of the you know,

1005
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,439
Speaker 1: moving the touch back up five yards. So you need

1006
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: guys who can do that, who will do that willingly,

1007
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: and who understand that that is their job. And I

1008
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: think he gives you all of that. Dante Kent gives

1009
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: you some punt returning, and he's a combative corner. You

1010
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: can't ever have many of those guys. And you know,

1011
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: seventh round, second pick in the seventh round, you take

1012
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: a shot at a guy like this. He has some

1013
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: interesting production. So you know, again, as I said, all

1014
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: of these picks made sense to me. I didn't. It

1015
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: wasn't any of what were they thinking about that when

1016
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: they when the pick was announced. And let me say

1017
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: this too, I was very happy with who and what

1018
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: players and positions that they did not pick the first

1019
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 1: round quarterback thing made no sense to me at any point,

1020
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,919
Speaker 1: and I was glad that, you know, they didn't fall

1021
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: into that trap. And that's about all I got on

1022
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: the draft.

1023
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 3: Well, we appreciate your time back, Bob, and we'll let

1024
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 3: you get back to plotting the end of the free

1025
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 3: world in your in your little us here and the

1026
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 3: North Hills and you can get back to that, either.

1027
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: That or picking up all the sticks that broke off

1028
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: the trees and stuff last night.

1029
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 3: That was Washington. We didn't get hit anywhere anywhere near

1030
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 3: as hard as you guys. I had electricity all day.

1031
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 3: I got it hard. Our electricity just came back.

1032
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's, it's it was. We were fortunate here

1033
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,959
Speaker 1: specifically where I live, but other areas of the North

1034
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: Hills were out. We're out of power at least until

1035
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: noon today. I don't know how, you know, I'm sure

1036
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: they're getting it close. But yeah, it was, uh, you know,

1037
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: Annie m Annie m.

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Speaker 3: L Our guest has been Bob Barbiola, editor of Steelers

1039
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1040
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1041
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1042
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