Speaker 1: What's up, buddy? Are you doing? Oh man, your setup
Speaker 1: is really putting us to shame here. I've got like
Speaker 1: the velvet seats going on, and these are they sort
Speaker 1: of fancy animal portraits. What's going on back there? Yes,
Speaker 1: it's self portraits. They're self portate. It's it's it's how
Speaker 1: what I what I look like on the inside too.
Speaker 1: What's up? But Dom, I haven't seen you in like,
Speaker 1: I know, it's been a minute. I been over ten years,
Speaker 1: it's been it's been over ten No, I'm good, dude.
Speaker 1: I'm doing really well. I I just finished this TV
Speaker 1: show New York and then on the back of that,
Speaker 1: I've just bought my first house, which is really exciting.
Speaker 1: So I'm congratulations, Thank you, buddy. Slowly trying to figure out,
Speaker 1: you know, growing up stuff like council tax and all
Speaker 1: that jazz. But we're it's it's getting there, bit by bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that'll put some gray hairs in you. So it's yeah, seriously,
Speaker 1: tell me, what's what's new with you? What's been going on? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's going on? I've this past couple of years just
Speaker 1: you know, trying to be a dad. It's been really wonderful.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Yeah, so it's it's a lot of work.
Speaker 1: It's a big shout out to just parents in general. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I thought what we did was really hard,
Speaker 1: but this this pales in comparison for sure. But it's
Speaker 1: one of the coolest things ever. And learning a lot
Speaker 1: about humans. That's the biggest bet, because it's like the
Speaker 1: process sort of evolves, like I mean from my very
Speaker 1: limited knowledge of what it is like, you know, the
Speaker 1: way the way that it was sort of normal to
Speaker 1: raise kids when we were kids is now like, oh no,
Speaker 1: we got like a whole new bunch of information now,
Speaker 1: you know. And then add the pandemic on top of that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, between between the two of you,
Speaker 1: I have no doubt you had an amazing time. But
Speaker 1: also it must be sort of difficult but fun at
Speaker 1: the same time. I mean, yeah, I think it has
Speaker 1: to be both. You know. We always think about like,
Speaker 1: you know, it should be the greatest time ever. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: it's not. It's it's not. It really isn't. Because but
Speaker 1: you can't have that without then it will lead to
Speaker 1: some of the greatest moments, if that makes sense. Like
Speaker 1: if you have great moments every time, then like what
Speaker 1: is the point of anything? And you know, I think
Speaker 1: for for those times when I always think about like,
Speaker 1: oh how many of those days would I have been
Speaker 1: gone for eight ten hours? And to have that and
Speaker 1: to really get to know a person is just really incredible.
Speaker 1: So beyond just having kids, I think you know, whether
Speaker 1: you're with your sibling or you're a loved one, you know,
Speaker 1: I think you get to really know every side of them,
Speaker 1: and I think that informs you a lot on how
Speaker 1: you want to approach it totally. Like so this ties
Speaker 1: in perfectly to this story that I very often tell
Speaker 1: about you, Like I was literally talking to my girlfriend
Speaker 1: about you three days ago. The longer I worked with you,
Speaker 1: the more I got these little like someone in the
Speaker 1: ether would be like, you know, Harry did this right,
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, way, funk off. Really, someone
Speaker 1: would be like, you know how you remember the iPods
Speaker 1: ads and they'd be like, I'd like, yeah, of course
Speaker 1: we remember. Harry was the original silhouette for that, And
Speaker 1: I was like what And I'm going back and watch it,
Speaker 1: like sure, there's his silhouette and his hat, like that's Harry,
Speaker 1: That's how he moves. That's crazy. Yeah, And This is
Speaker 1: what's so astounding about you, Harry, is you're one of
Speaker 1: the most humble pep bowl that that I know, and
Speaker 1: yet you've done so many things, and you've been in
Speaker 1: this industry for so long, but we always found out
Speaker 1: about it circuitously. We're like, wait, I'm sorry, what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised at all here. He is a supremely
Speaker 1: talented individual and has kind of done everything. It's so
Speaker 1: astounding the fact that you have done so many amazing
Speaker 1: things and yet are still the wonderful person that you are.
Speaker 1: Oh no, thanks, thanks, y'all. I always just feel like
Speaker 1: I stumbled onto these things, and like you know how
Speaker 1: you like kind of stumbled and said and like, oh
Speaker 1: in action you're like, uh yeah, best as you can.
Speaker 1: So I still feel that way. Take it to make it, baby.
Speaker 1: I tell this story a lot about you, and it's
Speaker 1: something that um. I was a dancer growing up as well,
Speaker 1: and so you know, I think all of us looked
Speaker 1: up to you and Isaiah and everyone who had been
Speaker 1: through these sort of experiences before, and you know, had
Speaker 1: been in processes that had longevity and that you dealt
Speaker 1: with fandoms and you dealt with all of this crazy
Speaker 1: up and down roller coaster that we were about to
Speaker 1: embark on. And I just remember sitting in my living
Speaker 1: room in Kansas City at you know, ten, eleven, twelve
Speaker 1: years old, watching you on Glee and going, oh my god,
Speaker 1: the way Harry moves and how he dances and how
Speaker 1: he brings character into it and everything else. I want
Speaker 1: to move like that. I want to dance like that.
Speaker 1: I want to figure out how he does what he does.
Speaker 1: Cut to several years later, I'm working with you, and
Speaker 1: you know you're you're becoming a friend and a mentor,
Speaker 1: and I've been in all of you for so many years,
Speaker 1: and just the fact that we get to sit here
Speaker 1: now and reminisce about one of the journeys that transformed
Speaker 1: each of our lives is amazing, so funny. I had
Speaker 1: such a similar experience. Yeah, yeah, I remember, there's one.
Speaker 1: There was one scene in particular in Glee that really
Speaker 1: stands out to me, and I remember it. I can't
Speaker 1: remember what I was doing. I actually think I was
Speaker 1: doing like fame or something at the time and doing
Speaker 1: like a terrible job at it. And then I was
Speaker 1: watching Glee and I was like, maybe I can move
Speaker 1: like these guys. And there was an episode where Mike
Speaker 1: you say you want to sing for the first time,
Speaker 1: and I remember seeing there watching it like let him
Speaker 1: fucking sing, Please let him sing, And I was so
Speaker 1: invested with him. I was let him sing, let him
Speaker 1: have a go. That was really cool. Speaking of dance
Speaker 1: and your background, when you tell us a little bit
Speaker 1: about how you sort of got into dance and how
Speaker 1: that you know, formulated within your young self, let's take
Speaker 1: it back to the beginning. We want to know what
Speaker 1: makes a harrsh On Jr. Because we need more of
Speaker 1: them in this world. Wow. You know I get asked
Speaker 1: this question a lot, and sometimes I have to, like,
Speaker 1: you know, you have to give the one minute version
Speaker 1: or the thirty second version or and you know, no
Speaker 1: one wants to hear the twenty minute version, but I
Speaker 1: think they might. Un mess, You've got as much time
Speaker 1: as you like. Well, I was just I was just
Speaker 1: very shy as as a kid and not I've been
Speaker 1: processing that, like why was I so shy as a kid,
Speaker 1: And you know, kind of moving to from Costa Rica
Speaker 1: to America, specifically San Francisco, I just found it really
Speaker 1: bizarre and just a culture shock of it all I
Speaker 1: think started to really make me shy because I always
Speaker 1: felt I was going to say the wrong thing, and
Speaker 1: I didn't realize how. You know, I didn't really speak English,
Speaker 1: and you know, at that age it's easier to learn
Speaker 1: any new language, but five and six, it's not just
Speaker 1: learning a language and learning a culture and learning how
Speaker 1: people interact with you. And I kind of shut down
Speaker 1: and didn't really didn't do my homework. I didn't know
Speaker 1: how to do anything, like I didn't know what when
Speaker 1: teachers were talking in class. I just kind of just
Speaker 1: shrugged my should and went home. My parents got called,
Speaker 1: and you know, they kind of couldn't speak that much English,
Speaker 1: so the teachers were telling them like, this kid doesn't
Speaker 1: do their homework and it's not paying attention in class,
Speaker 1: and my dad's just like, okay, so is he in trouble?
Speaker 1: And over time I I just academia, like just learning
Speaker 1: kind of in classrooms just really I think would have
Speaker 1: put me in a bad path because I didn't have
Speaker 1: the capabilities at that point and no really no help.
Speaker 1: So I think dance was something I watched and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's a fun way to comme unicate
Speaker 1: that I just get that I didn't really have to learn,
Speaker 1: even though you know, obviously you start learning techniques over
Speaker 1: over a period of time, but just like kind of
Speaker 1: like the initial movement of expressing yourself was something that
Speaker 1: I just like would watch Michael Jackson, and you know,
Speaker 1: at that time, it wasn't like YouTube where you can
Speaker 1: type in dance and then you see like millions of
Speaker 1: videos of dance. You know, I didn't have that, So
Speaker 1: music videos started to become like a thing where you know,
Speaker 1: watching Madonna's vogue and then you're like, oh, that's that's neat.
Speaker 1: It took me until really junior high, serendipitously walking into
Speaker 1: a drama class and saying, well, I want to join
Speaker 1: because it just looks like people were having fun, not
Speaker 1: because I watched movies and I was like, I want
Speaker 1: to be an actor. I want to do that thing.
Speaker 1: It was just to fit in, to feel like, what
Speaker 1: is this language being spoken in here? You know. I
Speaker 1: started doing improv and then mainly being cast at a
Speaker 1: background actor, which really said a lot. When I got
Speaker 1: into Glee, I was like, I got really good at
Speaker 1: being a background actor just because it was it was
Speaker 1: I remember that one of the teachers like would make
Speaker 1: me an example of like, well look at this guy.
Speaker 1: You know, he's in the background, he's like living his
Speaker 1: life back there and not trying to upstage, and so
Speaker 1: like everyone do that. And I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: like I'm a good background actor. Awesome, like amazing and
Speaker 1: so important, and it's so important. That's why I like,
Speaker 1: I give so much props to good background actors, because
Speaker 1: you can make or break a scene and two people
Speaker 1: be like, well, they're just backgrounds, like that bullshit. Again,
Speaker 1: it's the gestalt, Like, it's a whole of it, right,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're making a movie, you need to
Speaker 1: care about the whole of it, not just the mains
Speaker 1: or you know, the above the line. It's just like
Speaker 1: the whole matters. And learning through that, you know. As
Speaker 1: as I slowly moved up the ranks, and then there
Speaker 1: was this musical that we did and it had dance.
Speaker 1: It was like a nineteen fifties like it had swings.
Speaker 1: We had to learn how to swing. It was my
Speaker 1: first time actually like dancing, learning dance properly on stage
Speaker 1: and not just dancing in my bedroom like an idiot.
Speaker 1: And I just I remember that feeling and I was like, oh, ship,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like I get this. Partnering was something
Speaker 1: I wasn't really good at. Us I'm still not good
Speaker 1: at because it just makes me nervous because you have
Speaker 1: to have someone you trust in front of you to
Speaker 1: do it, and then they have to trust you. But
Speaker 1: once that happens, it's like beautiful. It's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: From then on, Like you know, I got into high
Speaker 1: school and I stopped kind of doing plays. It just
Speaker 1: wasn't a thing that I was like really into at
Speaker 1: that time. Then there was this audition for the dance
Speaker 1: team in high school, and it was very similar to
Speaker 1: it to kind of believe. It's like there's no boys,
Speaker 1: I mean except for like one or two, and then
Speaker 1: all that kind of the jocks were just like, hey,
Speaker 1: would it be fun to do this? And then we
Speaker 1: all auditioned, and then ever since then, it just became
Speaker 1: like we're choreographing dances, and then it just became like
Speaker 1: something cool to do, and from then on, like it
Speaker 1: just kind of snowballed. It's just odd because I didn't
Speaker 1: set out to do any of this. It wasn't something
Speaker 1: I told my parents like I wanted to be an actor.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of like I didn't want to go
Speaker 1: to school. I just didn't want to go down that
Speaker 1: path because I sucked at it and this, and I
Speaker 1: just I was like, I have to do this. I
Speaker 1: have to do it well. I have to do with
Speaker 1: the best as I can. I have to learn about
Speaker 1: the business. I have to be kind to people, to myself,
Speaker 1: and hopefully that'll start to become, you know, a big
Speaker 1: part of the how I naturally progress in this business.
Speaker 1: And I told myself like, once it stop becoming fun,
Speaker 1: then I'll stop doing it. And that it's just kind
Speaker 1: of where I'm at right now. It's it's been really
Speaker 1: been really fortunate to have these experiences, to meet people
Speaker 1: like y'all, and to be able to even talk about
Speaker 1: this is honestly just like a privilege. But dance has
Speaker 1: been a big part. And I give a lot of
Speaker 1: my everything too, as far as even acting to dancing
Speaker 1: because the physicality of it, I think is just as
Speaker 1: important as you know, how you're approaching a character, because
Speaker 1: that says a lot about people that we kind of
Speaker 1: don't really put to my emphasis on as a language,
Speaker 1: and you know, we always focus on the dialogue and
Speaker 1: focus on what is being said when I think it's
Speaker 1: just important. When we all know as actors, like what
Speaker 1: is not being said, it's just important, but it was
Speaker 1: not being said as either the stillness, which is still
Speaker 1: a major part of what. The opposite of that is movement,
Speaker 1: So how you are sitting and how you are moving
Speaker 1: to to grab that glass or even approaching a person matters.
Speaker 1: So my long rent is done? Did I couldn't agree more? Well, no,
Speaker 1: but it's interesting that you say that though as three
Speaker 1: all three of us being dancers or people with dance backgrounds,
Speaker 1: it's interesting that you mentioned how many elements of that
Speaker 1: kind of crossover, be it the trust you have in
Speaker 1: another person, or the thought about physicality and the creativity
Speaker 1: that you have to have to carry that through, especially
Speaker 1: when it comes to shadow Hunters and you know, creating
Speaker 1: these characters and these creatures, and all three of us
Speaker 1: had to kind of figure out, you know, how do
Speaker 1: these people move and how do they exist in the world,
Speaker 1: and put our trust in each other that we all
Speaker 1: we're creating this cohesive world. And it's funny how life
Speaker 1: can sort of set up situations and experiences that kind
Speaker 1: of lead you into what you need to have as
Speaker 1: you're as you're moving forward to um so cat you go,
Speaker 1: I'm choking, Yeah, Tom, please don't die. There you go.
Speaker 1: Same comedy. This is a comedy podcast, folks. But you
Speaker 1: let's let's talk a little bit too about your you know,
Speaker 1: once you started in this professionally, you're touring as a dancer,
Speaker 1: you know, tell us what that life is like. That's
Speaker 1: something that I've never done that in the whole industry.
Speaker 1: Seems so fascinating and again another grueling but also probably
Speaker 1: really rewarding process. Yeah. Wow, Yeah, touring is um. When
Speaker 1: I first moved to l A, the first actually I
Speaker 1: didn't move to l A yet, and I booked this
Speaker 1: like music video and you know, at that time, I
Speaker 1: was like, if you book a music video, like you're
Speaker 1: you're good because I used to watching them growing up
Speaker 1: and and that was like the dream just to be
Speaker 1: part of it. The first week I moved to l A,
Speaker 1: I was at you know, I was auditioning so much
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't get anything. And then I was I
Speaker 1: took this dance class because I was taking like five
Speaker 1: six dance classes a day just around driving around. Now
Speaker 1: like yeah, there's this there's this place Millennium that would Yeah,
Speaker 1: Millennium was like kind of during that time was huge
Speaker 1: for like dancers. You pay uh what the price was
Speaker 1: like eighty bucks a month and you get unlimited classes.
Speaker 1: Being like a poor like hungry dancer, you just like
Speaker 1: like a buffet, like how much can I get for this?
Speaker 1: Until my feet fall off? But this one actually I
Speaker 1: was it was at the edge. It was a different
Speaker 1: dance studio that I just happened to take these class
Speaker 1: and these two choreoghras Rozero and Jamal saw me and
Speaker 1: then they just kind of asked me on the spot
Speaker 1: would you like to go on this tour? And I
Speaker 1: was like what I was like, is this how it
Speaker 1: works in l A. I thought you have to do
Speaker 1: it this way? But I think they needed someone. It
Speaker 1: was leaving in a week and it was just for
Speaker 1: this young artist named Casey. She she had a really
Speaker 1: big hit in UK. So it was traveling into tour
Speaker 1: Europe at the most craziest spots, like and it would
Speaker 1: open out for oh Town really dating myself. Oh Town
Speaker 1: was I think making the making the band where they
Speaker 1: want the competition anyways, Like they're huge during that time
Speaker 1: and so we opened up for them. That tour life
Speaker 1: was just it was crazy because we played all the
Speaker 1: way from big stadiums to like Barnes, to like fairs
Speaker 1: and to like bars and like Ireland and Dublin and Cork.
Speaker 1: I just got to go to these places that you know,
Speaker 1: when I was eighteen, Oh my god, Like I saw
Speaker 1: so many things, I felt so many things. And there's
Speaker 1: nothing like having thousands of people like just piercing screams
Speaker 1: and to be able to be on that stage and
Speaker 1: feel that energy, you know, I think that's the coolest
Speaker 1: part of it all. And then you hear the band
Speaker 1: kind of going and just being part of the environment,
Speaker 1: which gets addicting. I can understand why people just keep
Speaker 1: going on the road and after a while, you know.
Speaker 1: And I went on tour with Beyonce. It was only
Speaker 1: the second tour. I've only done a couple of tours.
Speaker 1: And then when I did Beyonce, obviously that was on
Speaker 1: a bigger scale, with like Missy Elliott and Alicia Keys.
Speaker 1: I just remember Alicia Keys would kind of go to
Speaker 1: acts before us and I would just having this luxury
Speaker 1: of this badge to go anywhere you want, the access
Speaker 1: all areas thing that little the access all areas and
Speaker 1: you just felt like the highest of the v I
Speaker 1: P whatever you want to call it, and I just
Speaker 1: remember if I can't have you. Every time she would
Speaker 1: sing and I would walk out sit in a random seat,
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is fucking crazy. Every single
Speaker 1: day I can come out and hear this beautiful song
Speaker 1: by Misha Keys played differently each city, Like it's that
Speaker 1: that was insane me. But I also feel like that
Speaker 1: was a big part. That kind of what really made
Speaker 1: me realize that, you know, I didn't want to keep
Speaker 1: doing this was I was like, this is such a
Speaker 1: beautiful thing. I know I can't get stuck doing this
Speaker 1: because I have so many ambitions elsewhere, but it's such
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing where you you know, the traveling sucks.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that being on a tour bus sucks.
Speaker 1: Like you're you're kind of like sleeping in a bed
Speaker 1: that like has a wall right here, has a ceilings
Speaker 1: right here, and you know you're living in a really
Speaker 1: shared space. You have to wake up at two in
Speaker 1: the morning to like just go walk into a hotel,
Speaker 1: and you know, these are champagne problems. So I'm just
Speaker 1: saying like in the scope of like, do I want
Speaker 1: to keep doing this for years on years? And I
Speaker 1: was like, I think this is a pretty cool experience.
Speaker 1: I think I'm done touring. And then we got to
Speaker 1: do you know, years years later on Glee, we got
Speaker 1: to do these tours, which was that was cool because
Speaker 1: I got to experience the other side of you know,
Speaker 1: helping choreograph the opening number with lx D and then
Speaker 1: also being part of, you know, the main act. It
Speaker 1: was just I got to be behind the scenes and
Speaker 1: and it was just really neat to kind of relive
Speaker 1: that in in a in a different perspective. So I
Speaker 1: highly recommend if you ever get to just even experience
Speaker 1: it like to our life and just even tag along
Speaker 1: with people that are your friends that you've met, Like,
Speaker 1: it's just a cool, cool atmosphere that I understand why
Speaker 1: it's a massive industry because you just feel that energy
Speaker 1: that I think why music is so powerful and it's
Speaker 1: very different than acting obviously. Yeah. Well, but also I
Speaker 1: have to say it says a lot about you as
Speaker 1: a human being and an artist that you even be
Speaker 1: having the all Access badge and having you know, the
Speaker 1: champagne problems and all of that that you still can
Speaker 1: sit down and appreciate the beauty in these special moments
Speaker 1: and appreciate the fleeting nature of the things that we
Speaker 1: get to experience. Because so many people lose side of that.
Speaker 1: I think that's when they start to lose their humanity.
Speaker 1: But that's something that you know, you're clearly very cognizant of,
Speaker 1: and that's an incredible, incredible quality. Why don't we talk
Speaker 1: a little about how you got involved with Shadow Hunters.
Speaker 1: Cat and I have been through to the day's end
Speaker 1: our casting experience. When you tell us what drew you
Speaker 1: to it, and then what was the process like getting involved,
Speaker 1: because I think I had always kind of assumed and
Speaker 1: I remember you telling me that that wasn't the case,
Speaker 1: that this was your role from the beginning, Like they
Speaker 1: were like, we've seen this guy, it's an offer, like
Speaker 1: we're just going to give it. And I remember talking
Speaker 1: to you and you were like, no, man, I auditioned
Speaker 1: like everybody else. I was like, wow, because we can't
Speaker 1: imagine anyone else sitting in that role. Well, because when
Speaker 1: they announced it we all went well, obviously, but tells
Speaker 1: how it really you know, I'm I'm still not too
Speaker 1: familiar I mean, like the way that this industry works
Speaker 1: just for people to kind of know. I think we're
Speaker 1: getting more the inside look on how how people they
Speaker 1: get an offer and then you know, you as an
Speaker 1: actor decide if it's right and if all the elements
Speaker 1: kind of aligned to the things that make you want
Speaker 1: to be part of a show for six years. During
Speaker 1: that time, you know, I think it's starting to change
Speaker 1: a little bit as far as like how long the
Speaker 1: commitment is, but you know that was the commitment, so
Speaker 1: it's getting into a long term relationship, right, and then
Speaker 1: you know you're hoping that it's gonna it's gonna last
Speaker 1: and and and you know you're gonna have a good time,
Speaker 1: but not just that, but it's going to be fulfilling.
Speaker 1: And and I didn't have that other than casting saying
Speaker 1: that you know, they really really are interested in you
Speaker 1: being part of this and having this character. And I
Speaker 1: think part of that is also the limitations on and
Speaker 1: I'm just speaking on on kind of like the logistics
Speaker 1: of it of how you know it was really important
Speaker 1: for them to find an Asian actor, but you know,
Speaker 1: at that time, you know, there are only selected few
Speaker 1: that had had the experience. I guess um to be
Speaker 1: able to you know, be part of an ensemble casts
Speaker 1: and you know, I think there's there, there are probably
Speaker 1: many many that could have done a wonderful job playing
Speaker 1: Magnus Bain. I just happened to be one of the
Speaker 1: lucky ones that you know, had some sort of resume.
Speaker 1: But still at that point, you know, I had to
Speaker 1: go in and audition, and um, and I suck at auditioning.
Speaker 1: I'm terrible at auditioning. I'm loving these self tapes because
Speaker 1: I get to just be a bumming idiot kind of
Speaker 1: because you're just you're you're just figuring it out. You're
Speaker 1: figuring out and you're trying to be like you're testing
Speaker 1: this thing. And then but also you're thinking, like this
Speaker 1: is not the only way I can play it. I
Speaker 1: can play it in other ways, Like I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to give my best take on it. But with the
Speaker 1: beauty sometimes of auditions and when you have a cash
Speaker 1: and director says that was interesting, let's try something else.
Speaker 1: I just feel like when that environment is there, which
Speaker 1: it's unfortunately not in a lot of ways, like because
Speaker 1: just not because of castings, prom but the time, like
Speaker 1: they don't got time, they gotta see like hundreds of
Speaker 1: actors like I don't got time to work, like you
Speaker 1: better bring something, And that would always just make me nervous.
Speaker 1: So going into that audition, like how do you prepare
Speaker 1: for this role like that you just got a couple
Speaker 1: of days ago. You know, you're to the best you can.
Speaker 1: And I actually understood what I need to do for
Speaker 1: the role, but the lines would just tripped me up,
Speaker 1: so I kept sucking up. I couldn't get the lines out.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I'm like ruining this
Speaker 1: whole audition. But you know Michael Michael Reese, who was
Speaker 1: a producer on on Season one, who really wrote a
Speaker 1: lot of magnus and stuff he was in the room
Speaker 1: and his generosity and also patients of like just just
Speaker 1: do it again, I swear to you. I did it
Speaker 1: probably like six seven times before I actually got through it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I couldn't get the words out for some reason.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was. I don't know like
Speaker 1: where my head was at. It's just I still to
Speaker 1: this day, I can't figure out of just maybe nerves
Speaker 1: of maybe you know, like the pressures of getting a
Speaker 1: job and and getting this right and also you know
Speaker 1: at that time, there wasn't very many roles that you're like, yo,
Speaker 1: if you don't get this role, and it's specifically they're
Speaker 1: looking for an Asian actor. They could play this warlock,
Speaker 1: bisexual warlock and just all these elements and you're like, well,
Speaker 1: you know all those things I still need to learn
Speaker 1: and trying to capture that. But you know, if I
Speaker 1: can't even get this like as an Asian act or
Speaker 1: like what other rules can I get? And I think
Speaker 1: that's that's an added pressure for for me during that time,
Speaker 1: because it's like, well, if you don't get this that's
Speaker 1: specifically kind of I guess that they're really seeking you
Speaker 1: out for then like then you're not gonna get shipped
Speaker 1: after this. And in my mind, I think the olive
Speaker 1: nerves started to like kind of really come and but
Speaker 1: it was really sweet of Michael to to really like
Speaker 1: just like allow me to do it. And finally when
Speaker 1: it happened, they're like, cool, we're going to send this
Speaker 1: off kind of restless history. But I think that's what's
Speaker 1: important about And it's also hard because we're just like
Speaker 1: it was just so fast paced and we're just trying
Speaker 1: to get things like to give a little bit of
Speaker 1: grace for people that you actually like see getting it
Speaker 1: if you just give them two more minutes, and then
Speaker 1: you know, after like sucking an hour, you're just like
Speaker 1: all right. So luckily I didn't take an hour or so.
Speaker 1: But I think that's something that's so wonderful about our
Speaker 1: creative family on Shadow Hunters is that everyone did have
Speaker 1: a lot of grace for each other, you know, whether
Speaker 1: it was the cast or the crew or the designers,
Speaker 1: and everyone sort of set their egos aside because we
Speaker 1: all saw something in this story and in these characters,
Speaker 1: and we just let it kind of grow. We sort
Speaker 1: of tended our little shadow Hunter's garden together and let
Speaker 1: it grow into its own creation. Michael especially. Actually that's
Speaker 1: sort of one of three or four stories I've heard
Speaker 1: from Michael Way. He was just like, trust me, this
Speaker 1: is going to work out, and he sort of had
Speaker 1: that creative eye where he was like, I can see
Speaker 1: these people doing these things literally just from casting. I
Speaker 1: know he had a moment with my casting where someone
Speaker 1: had mentioned like, I don't know if he's a leading man,
Speaker 1: and Michael was like, just wait, just trust me. And
Speaker 1: then when they were doing the list of the Jason's,
Speaker 1: he brought my name back out and they went, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure, and he went watched Taylor Swift's music video
Speaker 1: and they watched that ship all right, fair enough and
Speaker 1: that was Michael. That was Michael who put that forward.
Speaker 1: And I was like, so he really did have We
Speaker 1: owe him quite a bit. I think we should get
Speaker 1: on the show and say thank you. Well, we'll get
Speaker 1: him on the show. Shout out to Micha. But this
Speaker 1: is awesome. Congrats putting this together and and and thanks.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's honestly, it's been so much fun. This
Speaker 1: is a core reunion. It is. Yeah. The fun thing
Speaker 1: about a podcast, especially for a show that you're not
Speaker 1: on anymore, is like it really is kind of open season,
Speaker 1: like you don't there's no real filter, and it is
Speaker 1: very positive and we look back and actually we did
Speaker 1: something really amazing and we achieved something really cool as
Speaker 1: a team. But then there are times where it's like,
Speaker 1: actually this was shitty, like this really sucked, and we're
Speaker 1: allowed to say because the show is not anymore, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's why we wanted to do this, because there
Speaker 1: we have so many stories that we couldn't tell at
Speaker 1: the time because the spoilers or this or that or
Speaker 1: whatever it was. And now we can actually we've had
Speaker 1: enough time and space from it that we can look
Speaker 1: back on it as from a bird's eye view. And
Speaker 1: of course you were at the top of our list,
Speaker 1: You're right, I mean, don just just talking about how
Speaker 1: you know, wonderful, the all the wonderful things we did,
Speaker 1: and then also how grueling in some ways it was,
Speaker 1: just mentally and and and physically in such a short
Speaker 1: period of time making a show like this, and the
Speaker 1: pressures of to not get it wrong or to get
Speaker 1: it right right whichever way you want to however for
Speaker 1: your wants to be, and especially from you guys. You know,
Speaker 1: Cat and I talked quite a lot about the pressure
Speaker 1: of getting closed right in that relationship up and whatever.
Speaker 1: But sort of from the beginning, I think from that,
Speaker 1: like do you remember that first time we went to
Speaker 1: New York and McGee brought the couples, the Place couple,
Speaker 1: in the City couple and the Mallet couple up to
Speaker 1: the front of the stage and we heard the three
Speaker 1: consecutively louder cheers, and Malick was the last one. And
Speaker 1: it was fairly supremely evident, evident that like, wow, these
Speaker 1: are everyone's favorite, like this is these are the ones
Speaker 1: that are rating for In this it was deafening possible.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of pressure on you guys right
Speaker 1: to get it right. Yeah, I mean that, and I
Speaker 1: think everyone, you know, everyone had their own pressures just
Speaker 1: coming from a book and people's images of in their heads,
Speaker 1: which can go from anywhere. I just think there's something
Speaker 1: really beautiful that happens when as a book reader. Obviously
Speaker 1: something else happens in this medium where you know, you
Speaker 1: put on television and the visual medium does something really
Speaker 1: interesting because it not just lays it out for you.
Speaker 1: But I think all was fun about this show is
Speaker 1: the fact that there was in between time and a
Speaker 1: TV show. It ends at a certain point and then
Speaker 1: you know, then the imagination kind of starts because you're like, well,
Speaker 1: why did they do that? What what is going on here?
Speaker 1: Then when they talk to friends on social media, I
Speaker 1: think it just brings a different element than any other
Speaker 1: show during other eras were able to do, which I've
Speaker 1: never got to be a part of that, and I
Speaker 1: think that was really exciting and also very daunting as well.
Speaker 1: And that's part of why we wanted to do this
Speaker 1: podcast because you know the power of the Shadow fan,
Speaker 1: and you know how much conversation and love and everything
Speaker 1: there has been from the show since day one, and
Speaker 1: it's sort of a way for folks that are still
Speaker 1: kind of clamboring for this story and for these characters.
Speaker 1: It's a way for us to say thanks and also
Speaker 1: continue to live that out as you know, our continued
Speaker 1: love letter to the Shadow Fan. So yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: it's gaining I think I was talking to Matt the
Speaker 1: other day and he was like, a lot of new
Speaker 1: people are watching for the first time, and it's just
Speaker 1: that that kind of blows my mind. Dude. It's crazy, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: because we would just Matt and I were just a
Speaker 1: convention in Dusseldorf and it was probably fifty fifty. Like
Speaker 1: at these conventions we very often see the same people
Speaker 1: who come every and this was the first one where
Speaker 1: it was like fifty fifty people who were like, oh,
Speaker 1: we just started watching out over the Pandemic and I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, no way, we were done filming over
Speaker 1: the Pandemic. That's crazy that this whole new group of
Speaker 1: people are starting to watch the show. Harry, I had
Speaker 1: a question for you that somehow I've never asked before.
Speaker 1: What was your process of landing on magnus physicality because
Speaker 1: we can't and I have spoken about this, especially in
Speaker 1: season one. You know, the sort of titular role of
Speaker 1: whatever the sort of race of the shadow Hunters was.
Speaker 1: So you were Luke or Alberto Assimon as sorry Isaiah
Speaker 1: as Luke or Alberto as Simon. You sort of had
Speaker 1: the responsibility of, like, this is how these characters are
Speaker 1: going to be, this is how these you know, Warlocks
Speaker 1: are going to be, this is how they're going to move. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you were a first Warlock. You got to establish that,
Speaker 1: establishing the physicality of you know, landing in in his shoes.
Speaker 1: Jeez man, it's you know, it's funny. It's like I
Speaker 1: every role like if I don't start talking about in
Speaker 1: like six months after I I kind of really just
Speaker 1: start to I would say forget, but it starts to
Speaker 1: really kind of move behind, like in the back, and
Speaker 1: then I have to like really pull it out. And
Speaker 1: I I just remember having this book that I just
Speaker 1: threw everything on there, every thought. I had, every image
Speaker 1: that I got from whether it be magazines or I've
Speaker 1: had to print out, and I cut out and made
Speaker 1: this collage of books of just random images of you know,
Speaker 1: whether it be like fashion rock icons, and then seeing
Speaker 1: the way they move, seeing the way they talk, and
Speaker 1: and all the way from that to like K pop too,
Speaker 1: even throughout the Hiss, throughout the period that like Magnus
Speaker 1: was was alive. You know, I think anything goes, so
Speaker 1: there was there was a lot to pull from. I mean,
Speaker 1: this character could have seen or might have seen, or
Speaker 1: wanted to see or didn't want to see. Putting all
Speaker 1: those images, even the darker ones that I didn't really
Speaker 1: ever talk about, which were disturbing because you know, he
Speaker 1: went through a lot, and how depressing it might be
Speaker 1: to like, you know, the show obviously went into it
Speaker 1: of of losing so many loved ones and knowing that
Speaker 1: you know, you'll never go away with someone like we
Speaker 1: imagine in our heads and if you like fall in
Speaker 1: love with someone, and then you know, it's the mortality
Speaker 1: of it all kind of allows you to to kind
Speaker 1: of not exist anymore. And you know, I started kind
Speaker 1: of going through that and then using using humor as
Speaker 1: something to be able to cover that up, and then
Speaker 1: it started building off of that, and it kind of
Speaker 1: naturally started to happen once all that foundation was laid,
Speaker 1: because I really truly believe, you know, if you move
Speaker 1: away from the darkness that is possible inside your heart,
Speaker 1: then the closer is going to come in the worst times.
Speaker 1: I think. I think being able to understand stand that
Speaker 1: as much as possible, it'll just make life a little
Speaker 1: easier because at least you'll know that that's possible to come,
Speaker 1: that that darkness is possible, and it it's always there,
Speaker 1: just because as us humans, we we have to have both.
Speaker 1: Just like you're able to like anger, for instance, with
Speaker 1: people are like I don't want to be angry. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: you just need to know how to be angry, because
Speaker 1: that's just a human emotion that's not going to ever
Speaker 1: go away anyway. So I don't know how, like I
Speaker 1: got so deep and philosophy, but that's look at it,
Speaker 1: That's why we're here. No, that's interesting that you say
Speaker 1: that too, because there's there's such a duality to Magnus
Speaker 1: and that as there are to each of these characters.
Speaker 1: Each of our characters is so even though we're all
Speaker 1: supernatural creatures in one way or another. They're so human
Speaker 1: because each one has their own darkness that they're fighting against.
Speaker 1: And each of the creatures, you know, ther Warlocks, for example,
Speaker 1: are half demon, and that's an interesting element to kind
Speaker 1: of play upon and his past and everything else. Paired
Speaker 1: with the fact that he is this icon in the
Speaker 1: shadow world and also in the fandom. It's interesting to
Speaker 1: hear you talk about balancing those two elements together. You're
Speaker 1: just brilliant. I agree. I think we all have gushed
Speaker 1: about how much of a phenomenal job you did, because
Speaker 1: we get asked that question a lot, don't we. If
Speaker 1: you could take on another role from the show, which
Speaker 1: one would it be? And my answer is never magnus
Speaker 1: to do that. He put so much into it, And
Speaker 1: that's Harry. That's Harry Sink. I'm good. Maybe you know
Speaker 1: one of the others, but that's Harry Sting. I think
Speaker 1: it would have just been a different interpretation, you know.
Speaker 1: I think you'll like there's just so much wiggle room
Speaker 1: for at least when you're talking about like time periods
Speaker 1: that you know you can kind of play because I
Speaker 1: just think he was different in every single time period.
Speaker 1: So it's not to say, like, which is right or wrong,
Speaker 1: and you know, we've also lifted it off of what
Speaker 1: it was and people's imagination. So I also want to say,
Speaker 1: you know on this podcast, how hard you both work.
Speaker 1: I mean everyone, but like, since you're in front of me,
Speaker 1: did really you both just work so freaking hard every
Speaker 1: single day, especially sometimes never have done it before as
Speaker 1: far as how taxing was physically and and and also mentally,
Speaker 1: but these roles weren't easy, you know. I think as
Speaker 1: far as our industry goes, you know, they look at
Speaker 1: a show like this and just call it like, you know,
Speaker 1: young adult. Oh, it's young adult stuff, and it's like
Speaker 1: that doesn't it's not it's not that big of a
Speaker 1: deal in the sense of like how we deal with
Speaker 1: adult themes. And I just think it's bullshit because fans
Speaker 1: who watch this or audience that watch this have real
Speaker 1: human emotions and are dealing with real things, and like
Speaker 1: just because it's in the sci fi world, Like I
Speaker 1: always think that sci fi allows us to make a
Speaker 1: lot of progress as humans because it's our imagination that
Speaker 1: allows us to really get closer to the truth. Whether
Speaker 1: warlocks and vampires exists in the world, I don't know.
Speaker 1: We might be all gone by then before they're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, we found Vampire's existed. Regardless, like I
Speaker 1: think the duality, like you're saying, cat of it, it's
Speaker 1: with everyone. Everyone. Everyone has their inner demons, everyone has
Speaker 1: the angels that make it easier for them to live
Speaker 1: in this world. So you know, I don't think that's untrue.
Speaker 1: So I I really you know, hats off to both
Speaker 1: of you two to lead the show and to kind
Speaker 1: of get us to the place that we all needed
Speaker 1: to be and you know, also be an ensemble cast
Speaker 1: as well. Well, thank you, Harry. That means a lot.
Speaker 1: But you know, something else I wanted to bring up
Speaker 1: is is a very key piece of advice that you
Speaker 1: and Isaiah had for us at the very beginning. I
Speaker 1: remember it was the first dinner I had just arrived
Speaker 1: in Toronto, and we were all sitting around a table
Speaker 1: and you two sort of sat us down and went,
Speaker 1: all right, kids, you know this this could be a
Speaker 1: process that you know, we could be together for a
Speaker 1: lot of years and this could be really great or
Speaker 1: it could be really terrible. So let's you know, let's
Speaker 1: all be a family, and let's be honest with each other,
Speaker 1: and let's be a team and that was such an
Speaker 1: instrumental moment. And I remember, you know, I didn't know
Speaker 1: how to lead a show. I was nineteen years old,
Speaker 1: and I remember watching the two of you going, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is how someone who's done this before operates and
Speaker 1: how they deal with people on set and how they
Speaker 1: you know, handle situations professionally. And so tell us a
Speaker 1: little bit about your kind of beginning and your first
Speaker 1: impression of meeting everyone and getting to set and the
Speaker 1: kind of beginnings of creating this world once we all
Speaker 1: got to Toronto. Yeah, I remember, I remember the first
Speaker 1: dinner we had. It was it was great. You know,
Speaker 1: I think what's important on any show or anything that
Speaker 1: anything you work on, I mean, you know, whatever profession
Speaker 1: you're in or or whatever family here in is just
Speaker 1: hoping that people are like have a good head on
Speaker 1: their shoulders and and have a good heart. You know.
Speaker 1: When we talked about anything, people over emphasized, like talent
Speaker 1: over over things. And I just think, I kind of
Speaker 1: it's a very secondary now for me, because that you
Speaker 1: can build, that you can get better at. It's like,
Speaker 1: if you want someone to be part of your team,
Speaker 1: they better have a you know, somewhat of a kind heart.
Speaker 1: You know, I think that could you could build off
Speaker 1: that because you know, everyone is going through something and
Speaker 1: might not that might not come off as that, but
Speaker 1: I think kindness and and being able to process things
Speaker 1: in a way that is not gonna let your emotions
Speaker 1: overtake your actions. And you know, I saw that and
Speaker 1: all of you where it was. It was I just
Speaker 1: had that feeling that everyone has a good heart, whether
Speaker 1: some people are in different levels of their career of
Speaker 1: like experience wise, that can all be gained obviously off
Speaker 1: of one show, and then you know, over time you'll
Speaker 1: start to experience more. Isaiah is obviously just been in
Speaker 1: it longer than I, so I admire him in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways, and he really took on that role
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, ship, is that me that
Speaker 1: I have to say something now? Because like I was,
Speaker 1: I still considered myself as that guy, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm just still learning, I'm just trying to figure this out,
Speaker 1: so to kind of do that, and I just also
Speaker 1: knew that y'all were smart and you're it was also
Speaker 1: best to like learn those things yourself until someone to
Speaker 1: kind of come and be like, yeah, you're kind of
Speaker 1: sucking up now, like you know, maybe you know, scale
Speaker 1: back a little, but you know you have to learn
Speaker 1: that yourself or then you're gonna have just constantly have
Speaker 1: people tell you like what to do and you be like, well,
Speaker 1: fuck you, I don't want to do that. That's not
Speaker 1: how I do it. So we saw that because you know,
Speaker 1: y'all were young, like what was it like eighteen and
Speaker 1: then like something early. I'm telling you, man, just putting
Speaker 1: it out there, this is one of the hardest things
Speaker 1: psychologically to do at at a young age because you know,
Speaker 1: you know, they're doing studies that like your brain doesn't
Speaker 1: really develop until your twenty five fully, and when I
Speaker 1: look back at my time, I'm like, yeah, that's so true,
Speaker 1: because you're just trying to adjust to like this environment
Speaker 1: that's like hitting at you so hard. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: you and then you have to like act a certain way,
Speaker 1: and then it's like, well, why am I acting that
Speaker 1: way to just appease people instead of like finding things
Speaker 1: that like who you really are and trying to adjust
Speaker 1: to yourself be like, Okay, that doesn't help anybody in
Speaker 1: this situation. But it's also like not knowing how to
Speaker 1: communicate certain things because being blunt, Like, what does it
Speaker 1: mean to be blunt? Because like when people say blunt force,
Speaker 1: like that never sounds good, right when you say you're like,
Speaker 1: why I'm just blunt? It was like, well, there's other
Speaker 1: ways to go about communicating something. And I think these
Speaker 1: experiences that you all had and came out of it
Speaker 1: makes me so happy that you know, you guys are
Speaker 1: doing so well and being able to kind of really
Speaker 1: have have a mindset that goes beyond going to a
Speaker 1: really bad place that a lot of young actors do.
Speaker 1: And you know, I love seeing this cast thrive right
Speaker 1: now to like buying your new you know, both of
Speaker 1: you buying your first house, and and and being able
Speaker 1: to learn from whatever mistakes that you have made before.
Speaker 1: And kind of now you're gonna be that in that
Speaker 1: same position where you're gonna be telling these other actors,
Speaker 1: these younger actors like, hey, yeah, you're not gonna want
Speaker 1: to hear it from you, but when it's right, yeah,
Speaker 1: trust me, these are the things you want to avoid.
Speaker 1: Let's get into it. Whilst we're talking about about being blunt,
Speaker 1: what was it like meaning that for the first time?
Speaker 1: Tell us a little about like we everyone wants to
Speaker 1: hear about matic. People are so so excited about it,
Speaker 1: But tell me what it's like, naturally, Thanks man, I
Speaker 1: appreciate that we're getting good at these segways. Matt. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember when we met at dinner. He was actually
Speaker 1: pretty like reserved during that dinner, so I couldn't really gauge,
Speaker 1: and I was like, Oh, this is the dude I
Speaker 1: have to have a relationship with. Like he doesn't even
Speaker 1: talk interesting, and then when you get to know him,
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, that's not him that uh, and we
Speaker 1: could talk. I think it's the term we planted on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And and the most like, I love that there is
Speaker 1: never gonna be a dull moment with him because you
Speaker 1: can have a conversation about anything and it'll be the
Speaker 1: most fascinating conversation. And because it could just be about
Speaker 1: I don't know, like oscopes, it could be about anything colonoscopies,
Speaker 1: like using drain oh and and the effects of using that,
Speaker 1: like just random ship because he would wouldn't he We'd
Speaker 1: be talking about something at that round table and then
Speaker 1: our conversation would naturally sort of segue off and he
Speaker 1: would be on his phone and then like eight minutes
Speaker 1: later he'd come back in and be like, oh guys,
Speaker 1: this is fascinating, this is crazy, and he's back on
Speaker 1: that original topic. You know that the original drain No
Speaker 1: was actually well he's you know, no, it's okay. So
Speaker 1: I'm working with this other producer on this other project
Speaker 1: and you know, we've been developing and I had the
Speaker 1: Zoom meeting with him, and he's just like, I met
Speaker 1: one of your co stars. And I didn't really put
Speaker 1: a two and two together, but I was out with
Speaker 1: him for like hours on end, like dinner and then
Speaker 1: we're drinking and then just late late like night, just
Speaker 1: having the best conversation. And then I didn't until I
Speaker 1: got home. Then I like looked him up and I
Speaker 1: was like, holy sh it, he's working with you. He's
Speaker 1: working with you, and I'm working with him, and it
Speaker 1: just didn't put two and together. And he's just like
Speaker 1: I just had the best time talking to him because
Speaker 1: he's such a great conversational list and and you know,
Speaker 1: it's just it's true. The stories are true about Matt Didario,
Speaker 1: that he all the legends are true and he is
Speaker 1: just like, um, it was just so fun to talk
Speaker 1: to and work with and and on top of that
Speaker 1: we're talking about particularly on the show, is just we
Speaker 1: took it very seriously, like so we'd have deep conversation
Speaker 1: about this and sometimes to the point where like that
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, like why are we talking about how a
Speaker 1: hand moves on this part? Like, but we would go
Speaker 1: into these details that that that is very much Matt
Speaker 1: Nadario and and and to be able to kind of
Speaker 1: like hear his perspectives was just I think really made
Speaker 1: the relationship special because his mind just it's like seeing
Speaker 1: seeing that dot on your shirt that kind of you
Speaker 1: have to pull off. You're like, why are you Okay,
Speaker 1: that didn't really matter, but I guess I'll take it
Speaker 1: off me. It's like that detail orientated. Well, I think
Speaker 1: that's a big part two of why you know, I've
Speaker 1: always given massive props to the both of you and
Speaker 1: Tom and I have mentioned this many times before on
Speaker 1: the podcast, how much time and effort and energy you
Speaker 1: to put into crafting this relationship and to making it
Speaker 1: not just the sort of poster child for this representation
Speaker 1: that we had in our show, but you really wanted
Speaker 1: to make it a real, authentic, nuanced relationship. And you know,
Speaker 1: that's part of why the show won these glad Awards
Speaker 1: and part of why the show became such an iconic
Speaker 1: piece for this kind of representation, And a lot of
Speaker 1: that has to do with your care and time that
Speaker 1: you guys took, So you know, it's it doesn't surprise
Speaker 1: me to hear this, but it's just a huge testament
Speaker 1: to your work. Yeah. Thanks, And I think it also
Speaker 1: helped that you know, he he loved food as much
Speaker 1: as I did, because if because we would have a
Speaker 1: lot of conversations just eating like NonStop, and the fact
Speaker 1: that how much he loved food was just made it
Speaker 1: so much easier. It's such a weird thing to say,
Speaker 1: but I don't know that that there's something there that
Speaker 1: kind of just brings people together. Dude, I totally get it.
Speaker 1: And and Matt being a well traveler, right, he's being
Speaker 1: He's a well traveled person, so like being able to
Speaker 1: talk to him about different foods, which just made it
Speaker 1: all all easier. Anyways, Matt Dara is awesome. He's he's
Speaker 1: he's what do we call what do we call Matt?
Speaker 1: He's still saved as the Godfather on my phone? Godfather? Okay,
Speaker 1: He's saved, don't do no answer on my phone? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: But let's talk a little bit about the fandom, because
Speaker 1: obviously Malick is such a huge, beloved treasure of the fandom.
Speaker 1: So what's that been like for you sort of going
Speaker 1: through this process of we've done so many comic cons
Speaker 1: all over the world and we live tweet every episode.
Speaker 1: What's that been like for you? Because obviously you experienced
Speaker 1: this huge fandom with Glee, but this, you know, it
Speaker 1: seems like it's a very different, different experience. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is very different. I'm curious to hear it on on
Speaker 1: your guys your guys ends too, you know, because I
Speaker 1: think we experienced the kind of the fandom and similarly
Speaker 1: and differently, I'm just blown away, like realizing how impactful
Speaker 1: these stories are and these characters are. I just you know,
Speaker 1: it's beyond me, beyond whatever I could have have done,
Speaker 1: because you know, I think, you know, the set up
Speaker 1: was was all there with in the books, with um,
Speaker 1: you know, Cassandra Claire and and and the writers on
Speaker 1: on the show, and just compounding over time that allows
Speaker 1: us to do what we do and to have this
Speaker 1: effect on being the face of it in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways. You know, so we have this weird shift
Speaker 1: of responsibility that I honestly I I never fully understood
Speaker 1: and I still kind of don't. But what I do
Speaker 1: understand about why it's being like embraced and and and
Speaker 1: people are so affected by it is just the lack
Speaker 1: of being able to see characters being I always see
Speaker 1: like themesticated, like just like not always fighting for this
Speaker 1: on this evil war and you know, fighting for the
Speaker 1: sake of humanity because you know, we all see those
Speaker 1: like End of World movies and you're just like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's disaster. But over time you're just kind of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what does it mean to say, what are you saving?
Speaker 1: When you're saving in the world, right, you're saving were relationships,
Speaker 1: you're saving people. Wow, that's interesting because we did, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had this whole section with you guys where there
Speaker 1: was this sort of domesticated like turmoil where it was
Speaker 1: like we're going to cook dinner for Maris and that's
Speaker 1: like real human beings problems, that's normal stuff that people.
Speaker 1: Let's meet, our parents were dead or evil. We didn't
Speaker 1: get to do that on the show, but this is
Speaker 1: that's that's sort of a huge part of it. Isn't
Speaker 1: it like this humanization of these like you were saying,
Speaker 1: these sort of super fantastical stories that are told that
Speaker 1: we we get to like ground them, and so much
Speaker 1: of that came through you and Matt and you know,
Speaker 1: we as the rest of the cast as well, have
Speaker 1: a huge amount to thank you, guys for for the
Speaker 1: effort and the grace and the passion that you put
Speaker 1: into these guys and also making them these real characters
Speaker 1: that we grew to love and deeply care about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's away that you mentioned that, don because it's
Speaker 1: in rewatching the show. I think we've talked about this
Speaker 1: a little bit. There's all these little details, little physical
Speaker 1: palities or a little lines that you've added, or just
Speaker 1: little remarks or you know, giggles that you have after
Speaker 1: the side. Oh my god, my favorite one we got
Speaker 1: to talk about it. My favorite Harry ism, the one
Speaker 1: when in season one is my favorite. When you you
Speaker 1: you're doing the autopsy with Emerald and you just did
Speaker 1: this like any other human being would hold that. I
Speaker 1: was like this and you went and just plugged your
Speaker 1: nose and I remember the first time and thought, yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: and it's like the coldest, like that's exactly what Magnus
Speaker 1: would do. Matt, It's exactly what he would do. Like
Speaker 1: it's the coolest, Like it's like elegant, and you're just
Speaker 1: like the dead body, I'm not into it, or and
Speaker 1: then you sort of work and it's the coolest thing.
Speaker 1: It's just so perfect. And we see a time and
Speaker 1: time again too. And actually it's reflected in the show
Speaker 1: because I we just came off of watching episode six,
Speaker 1: which is of Men and Angels, which is one where
Speaker 1: Luke comes in and he's got the Wearabolf scar and
Speaker 1: you have your you know, it's the first time we
Speaker 1: get to see Magnus as the apothecary that he is.
Speaker 1: And it's sort of dawned on me watching you have
Speaker 1: such a mastery. And again it goes back to your movement.
Speaker 1: But they created a whole set for you because of
Speaker 1: what you brought to the character. They created Magnus as
Speaker 1: apothecary later on because of what you brought. And it's
Speaker 1: just such a It taught me so much and such
Speaker 1: a brilliant example of a little detail you bring to
Speaker 1: a character that becomes this humanization can take on a
Speaker 1: whole other life. Yeah. Wow, I mean I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't remember doing, but that's why we want remember. I
Speaker 1: believe you'll entrust y'all. And it's I guess just you
Speaker 1: know it when we're talking about those like little details
Speaker 1: and you know, kind of humanizing, I think that's what's
Speaker 1: important because when we talk about like you know, it's
Speaker 1: so hard because we put words about like representation, representing
Speaker 1: like I don't understand I don't quite understand what that
Speaker 1: foolly means. Yet you know, you kind of have to
Speaker 1: go way deeper. And I know that's kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, the thing that people use to kind of
Speaker 1: just help more underserved characters or people pull on on
Speaker 1: on on our screens. And I think obviously there's there's
Speaker 1: an importance on that, but I think the humanization of
Speaker 1: people and cultures and and even on this where you know,
Speaker 1: I think Todd and Darren showrunners really saw a lot
Speaker 1: of that. But because I know there's like you both
Speaker 1: had like a first date thing, which I thought y'all
Speaker 1: played brilliantly, you know, with with Maya and and Simon,
Speaker 1: and that those are the things that are like giggle
Speaker 1: and like as a fan, you're just like, oh, I
Speaker 1: want to see that I want to see these characters
Speaker 1: squirm and how are they gonna act putting um themselves
Speaker 1: against the corner, and and but also realizing like you
Speaker 1: didn't really know this person that well. And and then
Speaker 1: it's like, what is that relationship really beyond like maybe
Speaker 1: lust or or and I that that was so cool
Speaker 1: to see on your and that those are things that
Speaker 1: I was interested because you know, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, you know, it's kind of like medical show
Speaker 1: like Gray's Anatomy, Like you can learn so much. It's
Speaker 1: not You're not going to watch some new surgery. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you don't. I mean, yeah, there's that what they do,
Speaker 1: and you know they help people. But at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, it's like what happens after that? Um,
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what I feel like the show
Speaker 1: was on on Shadow Hunters. Well, speaking of what happens
Speaker 1: after shadow Unters, before we let you go, we have
Speaker 1: to touch on Crazy Rich Asians, which you know you're
Speaker 1: part of. The Resurgence is a rom com and it's
Speaker 1: such a fantastic film and everything everywhere all at once.
Speaker 1: You have so many incredible projects happening as you move
Speaker 1: forward in the future. So tell us a little bit
Speaker 1: about life after Shadow Hunters. Yeah, it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: been fun to to kind of explore different genres. You know.
Speaker 1: I got to do a kind of romantic comedy drama,
Speaker 1: you know, shortly after and um with all my life,
Speaker 1: and then I did uh really cool and yeah, really
Speaker 1: cool indie uh called Broadcast Signal Intrusion, which is out
Speaker 1: in the UK now, which is so good. Broadcasting so good.
Speaker 1: It messed with my head so much, but it's so good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it was just a fun like it's one of
Speaker 1: those films where you know the audience, you know, if
Speaker 1: if if you're not if you're wanting to watch something
Speaker 1: where you kind of don't have to think, then this
Speaker 1: that might not be a movie for for for you.
Speaker 1: But this movie definitely has a lot of audience engagement
Speaker 1: in the sense of like you're part of this journey
Speaker 1: and you have to figure some stuff out along with
Speaker 1: this character. And it was like a psychological thriller and
Speaker 1: that was just really really fun to do. And it
Speaker 1: was actually like my first lead role, full lead role
Speaker 1: ever and to be able to kind of be part
Speaker 1: of that with director Jacob Gentry, who who just was
Speaker 1: a brilliant filmmaker, and so I got to explore doing
Speaker 1: that and then you know, with Crazy Ridge Asians, it
Speaker 1: was that was kind of in the middle of Shadow
Speaker 1: Hunters or towards the end, you know that that movie
Speaker 1: was obviously just uh, you know, it really made an
Speaker 1: impact and to the kind of like the zeitgeist or whatever,
Speaker 1: and it's cool to hopefully, you know, be able to
Speaker 1: continue that and you know, with everything everywhere all at once.
Speaker 1: Going back to my music video day, I was just
Speaker 1: a big fan of the Daniels, the directors if you've
Speaker 1: never watched like Turned Down for What and like that
Speaker 1: video and even like the most like the obscure ones
Speaker 1: that people don't know about, Like they just have a
Speaker 1: crazy sensitivity to like be able to make the most
Speaker 1: ridiculous lists of kind of things in life, to be
Speaker 1: incredibly emotional. And I just was a big fan of theirs,
Speaker 1: and then to be able to like be part of
Speaker 1: their film was just so I feel so grateful to
Speaker 1: to kind of, I guess for the hobbies I have
Speaker 1: of like just like just being fans of of things
Speaker 1: and and to be able to work with these guys
Speaker 1: but that are also just super fucking kind and like
Speaker 1: so amazing to work with. To see like the d
Speaker 1: I Y type directors that can just do it all themselves,
Speaker 1: not all themselves, but like have a group of people
Speaker 1: that can really make something. I feel very like college
Speaker 1: experiment on a grander scale. Um. So it's just kind
Speaker 1: of exploring these people, you know, the working different people
Speaker 1: that kind of just are very inspiring and and developing.
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm developing like four four or five projects
Speaker 1: right now that kind of I wouldn't say hit different genres,
Speaker 1: but kind of a little bit of genre bending. One
Speaker 1: in particular, I'm really excited about that I wrote that
Speaker 1: has a lot to do with dance and mental illness
Speaker 1: and kind of very family drama driven, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's a film right now, I'm just kind of in
Speaker 1: the early stages of getting it all put together. But
Speaker 1: you know, so just working on stuff like that and
Speaker 1: being able to really tell the stories that I want
Speaker 1: to tell and be part of uh and work with
Speaker 1: people that I want to work with, and just enjoying
Speaker 1: the ship out of doing what we do. So, um,
Speaker 1: I'm happy to be here talking to y'all and reminiscing
Speaker 1: about those stories that kind of were untold and so
Speaker 1: thank you for having me. This is uh, you know,
Speaker 1: it's an honor to be able to go back and
Speaker 1: speak fondly of of our times together. Of course, and
Speaker 1: you know, something we're finding, especially with with people like you,
Speaker 1: is that, you know, there's so much to talk about.
Speaker 1: We'll definitely have to have you back. You know, we'll
Speaker 1: count this as your your season one interview and if
Speaker 1: you grace this with your presence again. When we kind
Speaker 1: of get a little deeper into the series, well we're
Speaker 1: trying not to spoil it too much because we're finding that,
Speaker 1: you know, so many people are new to the show
Speaker 1: that as we kind of dive in, we want to
Speaker 1: get into more detail about is it possible to spoil
Speaker 1: and we're like, well, what is the what is the
Speaker 1: like kind of line of like spoiling the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I've really been struggling with this because there are people
Speaker 1: who are watching We've seen there are people who are
Speaker 1: watching the show with the rewatch of the podcast. They're
Speaker 1: watching an episode then listening to the podcast afterwards for
Speaker 1: the first time, So why do episodes And I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: remember because then this happens in season two and I'm like, ship,
Speaker 1: I can't say that yet because people haven't seen and like,
Speaker 1: for the people who have seen it, you know what happens.
Speaker 1: But for the people who haven't, just keep watching and
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it later on in the podcast. It's
Speaker 1: a whole new world. To me, it's the whole new world.
Speaker 1: Do you like, does it mess with you, guys if
Speaker 1: you are watching something and someone says, well, yeah, that
Speaker 1: person dies, does it like ruin it for you? Or
Speaker 1: does it does it kind of like like, oh it
Speaker 1: does if someone tells you yeah. And I've done it
Speaker 1: with Alberto too. I think it was a game of Thrones.
Speaker 1: I want. We were just talking like and having drinks
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, well, this happens or like, no,
Speaker 1: it wasn't that. It was like in conversation. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: then you know when this happens. I was like detached
Speaker 1: from it or whatever. I was just sort of making
Speaker 1: my point through this thing that happens, and I watched
Speaker 1: his face go what. I was like, Oh, no, I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry. And I think it was three am and
Speaker 1: we were all, yeah, we'd all lost our mind by
Speaker 1: that point on set. But no, I think for me,
Speaker 1: it depends on the projects. Like there's certain projects I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can spoil the movie for me here, you can,
Speaker 1: you know, spoil whatever, it doesn't matter, but certain things,
Speaker 1: certain shows, and like I will, I will remove myself
Speaker 1: from the situation I don't want to know he especially
Speaker 1: something like where you do. It's part of the experience,
Speaker 1: right of going yeah, right, exactly, yeah, I hear. Yeah
Speaker 1: you well, Harry. This has been incredible, and thank you
Speaker 1: so much for being here, and we just adore you
Speaker 1: and will continue to gush about you for until the
Speaker 1: end of today. Feelings neutual love you, love you, guys,
Speaker 1: and yeah, thank you so much. Or it's just so
Speaker 1: good to see you, y'all. Y'all, y'all are thriving evidently
Speaker 1: because of you. Guys. Drinks, drinks, drink soon, Hank soon.
Speaker 1: I want to see Alberto too. I want to see
Speaker 1: him Ron, I want to see everyone. So um, let's
Speaker 1: get the game together. We'd love that. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for being a part of this. And to everyone
Speaker 1: who listened, who knows what an amazing role model, actor, friends, father, husband,
Speaker 1: Harry is, then I want you to join me in
Speaker 1: saying thank you and for all you new people, welcome
Speaker 1: to Harry Sham Jr. Into your lives. I hope you
Speaker 1: get a quarter of as much enjoyment as we have
Speaker 1: from knowing him, because that's pretty special. So thank you
Speaker 1: very much, mate, Thank you guys. Before we go, we
Speaker 1: just wanted to remind you to subscribe to our podcast
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Speaker 1: returned to the Shadows as hosted an executive produced by
Speaker 1: Katherine McNamara and Dominic Sherwood. Our executive producer is Langley.
Speaker 1: Our senior producers are Liz Hayes and Diego Tapia, and
Speaker 1: our producers are Hannah Harris and Kristin Vermilia. Original music
Speaker 1: by Alex Kinsey and performed by Alex Kinsey and Katherine McNamara.
Speaker 1: The episode was mixed by Set the Landscape