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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast is gonna keep on loving you.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition to the Around the NFL

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Speaker 1: Podcast presented by New Era. My name is Dan Hansis

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Speaker 1: and I am joined by Room Build with some heroes,

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Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal and Chris Westling. What's up, boys? How are you?

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Speaker 1: Is that Ario Speedwagon? That was Matt money Smith, the

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Speaker 1: voice of the Los Angeles Chargers, showing his range once again.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's really kind of slumming it when he's

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Speaker 1: a big thing. Hey, he's on TV, he's the biggest

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Speaker 1: radio host in the city, he's the Chargers, and yet

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Speaker 1: he's just kind of our intro guy. He's our hype man.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that though, slumming it because I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you noticed. We now have a large

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Speaker 1: photo hang outside the commis of the Around the NFL

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Speaker 1: Podcast heroes in what appears to be spirited conversation. I

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Speaker 1: feel like west that is a step in the right

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Speaker 1: direction within the walls of this complex. You feel like

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Speaker 1: that's respect. I feel like it's a step, you know,

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Speaker 1: and maybe we can get a shot of that. Um

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Speaker 1: uh when you guys watch this very show. Uh, there

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Speaker 1: is our Tuesday video show, of course, and uh every

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Speaker 1: Tuesday nine pm Eastern six Pacific on NFL dot com

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Speaker 1: slash a t N video. You could watch this show, um,

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Speaker 1: make sure you check it out. I mean maybe respect

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Speaker 1: is problematic though, Dan, you're a man who doesn't take

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Speaker 1: slights easily. Do you think you're driven by them? I mean, now,

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Speaker 1: if the network starts to treat us, well, they're putting up,

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Speaker 1: you know, pictures. We got a video show now, maybe

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Speaker 1: the fire and in the belly quite as much. How

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Speaker 1: about this hashtag gradual decline? This one, I'll be right about.

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Speaker 1: What do you have to rage against anyone? Exactly? You

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Speaker 1: need something to fight against. Um, I think you'll be

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Speaker 1: just as wrong as this end as you were right. UM.

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Speaker 1: I hope so in the this case, I hope so

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong about uh gradual decline. By the way, we

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Speaker 1: have more hats. If you're watching the video show and

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Speaker 1: we're not gonna do this the whole audio showing and

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Speaker 1: people listening, well, the show was supposed to be an

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Speaker 1: audio show, but there are hats on the table. Knew

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Speaker 1: our hats in front of us. A note came down.

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Speaker 1: More hats. You need more hats than we had last Tuesday. So, Sully,

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Speaker 1: what are we up to now? We're up from what

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Speaker 1: four to six? Here? Seven? We're on there. We are

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Speaker 1: all wash and hats. Let's keep it, Let's keep it going.

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Speaker 1: I gotta rap it up. Here's my whole thing. I

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Speaker 1: think the most important thing in the world is h

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Speaker 1: pleasing the corporate overlords. Every week. We should have more

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Speaker 1: hats on this desk, That's what's How could they not

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Speaker 1: be pleased about that? We'll have hats everywhere, Hats coming

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Speaker 1: out of our ears. It's kind of should be like

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Speaker 1: like razors. It's like, you know, forget four blades, let's

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Speaker 1: go five blades. Seven. Let's keep ramming it up. UH.

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Speaker 1: Today's show, good show, and we're gonna get into a

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff, including some news that really went UH

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Speaker 1: big yesterday. On Monday, Kirk Cousins UH did not get

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Speaker 1: happy about it. Also the UH San Diego excuse me,

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Speaker 1: training camp spotlight this week. We'll we'll focus on wide

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Speaker 1: receivers UH for the Chargers, and finally, we will revisit

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Speaker 1: the old Zeuster's pain rankings, breaking down the eight most

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Speaker 1: pained teams and fan bases in the NFL. Put a

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Speaker 1: lot of work into that one. Last night, Fellas, up

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Speaker 1: past midnight. The old man was typing past midnight, trying

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Speaker 1: what we did today. But before we do any of that,

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Speaker 1: I want to check behind the glass formally with Sean Sullivan. Fellas, you, buddy,

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Speaker 1: well ready for our second video show a good one.

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Speaker 1: If you look confident, you have the look of a

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Speaker 1: confident many I'm ready to rock. One thing about Sully,

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Speaker 1: good scratch. But also we're starting to learn that's kind

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Speaker 1: Let's hear what Bruce had to say right after the draft. Actually,

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Speaker 1: What's the incentive for Cousins to sign this contract. He's

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Speaker 1: Tybee Island experience. When you're in a small town, parades

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Speaker 1: are wonderful. Yeah, it's a day to get wild and

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Speaker 1: zany for no reason and just to have fun. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Now where I come from, the cold town, heavy Irish

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Speaker 1: population had one of the biggest St. Patrick's Day parades

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Speaker 1: in the state. Right well, probably one of the reasons

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Speaker 1: why it was named that, like us news is one

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Speaker 1: one best places. Well where the town of friendly, town

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Speaker 1: of friendly people, not a fluent not like Martha's vineyard.

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Speaker 1: But listen, we all got together for the big parade

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Speaker 1: and we all, you know, we left the factory hats

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Speaker 1: at home that day, and the little tweetie bird he

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Speaker 1: stayed in his cape. No one was seveling call and

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Speaker 1: we all canary like mine, they don't. That's how we

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Speaker 1: knew that we were alive. At the end of the day.

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Speaker 1: Right anyway, we all would go to the parade and

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Speaker 1: maybe there would be some spirits ingested and family would

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Speaker 1: get together and friends and you'd see people that you

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Speaker 1: know marching the parade, parade, war veterans, high school marching bands,

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Speaker 1: you name it. But the parade itself, I'm saying, not

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Speaker 1: the most fun thing to watch. It's for kids. It's

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Speaker 1: more about like the experience of being together with people

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Speaker 1: in the town. My kids love the fourth Edgely parides,

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Speaker 1: so that's kind of really reopened my eyes to parades.

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Speaker 1: But then I also think back to my college days

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Speaker 1: and a little Marty Grap. I mean, what's better than

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Speaker 1: a little Marty grap parade. That's a little different, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Though it's a little different. Well, you also hate clowns

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Speaker 1: and I kind of liked them. That's a generational disconnect.

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Speaker 1: I find clowns to be funny and like they're just

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Speaker 1: out to get laughs out of people. That that's harmless.

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Speaker 1: They're out to murder people. If you watch bad movies,

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Speaker 1: that's the that's the kind of thing that you'll be

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Speaker 1: led to believe. But they're really just out there to

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Speaker 1: get a laugh at it. You did grow up on

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Speaker 1: the black and White Bozo the clown episodes. I know

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Speaker 1: that was that an actual generational thing. The five years

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Speaker 1: difference when I grew up, I don't remember a Bozo

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Speaker 1: the clown show. Um, those of the clown that was

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Speaker 1: a show. I don't think it was ever a show.

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Speaker 1: He was just like a famous clown turning into a

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Speaker 1: Seinfeld episode. George Gastanza got into a fight with the

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Speaker 1: clown about this. Um. All right, finally in the news,

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady, Uh, he's the quarterback for the Patriots, but

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Speaker 1: recently his high school. He attended a high school, uh

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Speaker 1: in San Mateo, California. Believe is that correct? That sounds right?

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Speaker 1: Everybody that sounds right? Um, near San Francisco, and they

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Speaker 1: unearthed what they believed to be or um. Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: believed to be his first ever interview, and he was

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Speaker 1: asked for some reason, Dan Fouts was interviewing him. Dan

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Speaker 1: couldn't get a better job at ninety four than doing

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Speaker 1: local TV up there. I don't know, No, he seems

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Speaker 1: to be doing okay. But Dan asked Tom Brady, I

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Speaker 1: believe he's about fifteen, sixteen years old, what his strengths

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Speaker 1: were as a player at this point. Brady was, you know,

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Speaker 1: one of the top high school quarterbacks in his region.

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Speaker 1: Here's what Tom had to say. Okay, I'm a college coach.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen any tape of you. I don't know

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Speaker 1: anything about you. Tell me about Tom Brady the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: What are your strengths? My strength? So everybody tells me

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Speaker 1: I have a pretty strong arm, which is which is good.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty accurate with it. And uh, I think I

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Speaker 1: need to work on my speed a little bit, but

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Speaker 1: hopefully that will come in time. Pretty good work ethics,

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Speaker 1: so so I think I'd get the job done. First

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Speaker 1: of all, I'd love him to know that he'll never

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Speaker 1: be fast. No matter how much you train your little bratt,

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Speaker 1: you'll never run like a horse. I mean, I'd also

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Speaker 1: like him to know that he's going to pick up

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Speaker 1: a first down on third and eleven in the fourth

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Speaker 1: quarter of the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history. Fast

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Speaker 1: enough for that? Wow, I blocked that out. I don't

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Speaker 1: remember what play you're referring to. Um. By the way,

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Speaker 1: if Sessler was here, I would have loved that would

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Speaker 1: have been a perfect east time to talk about how

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Speaker 1: Mark and I long have a very controversial uh stance,

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Speaker 1: a conspiracy theory that tom Brady had a complete reconstruction

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Speaker 1: of his face at some point, most most likely funded

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Speaker 1: buy the Illuminati um in which his his cheekbones and

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Speaker 1: his chin and his eyes and his entire face was

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Speaker 1: It was basically a face off situation, uh, engineered for

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Speaker 1: maximum efficiency. I want you to watch that video again

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Speaker 1: and again. If you're watching this, um, rewind it back

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Speaker 1: right now. Let me know if that's the same person

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Speaker 1: who's now the quote. You don't think it's natural evolution

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Speaker 1: from going from sixteen years old to thirty nine years

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Speaker 1: Here's what happens. You're if you're a little pudgy, not

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Speaker 1: as muscular when you're younger, some of that fat what

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Speaker 1: you know, goes away and yeah, those cheekbones come out. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: am I surprised that you are the mouthpiece? You're like

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Speaker 1: when Joe Thiseman on Twitter tweeted out, I guess I

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Speaker 1: was wrong about Kirk. You're you're the mouthpiece. I get it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm generally anti conspiracy theory, but definitely want

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Speaker 1: if it's about Tom Brady, that's what's happening in the news.

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Speaker 1: All Right, It's time to move on and talk about

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Speaker 1: the training camp. Spotlight presented by new era. Oh my goodness. Uh,

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Speaker 1: this week we're going to talk about the Chargers wide

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Speaker 1: receivers and uh West a little peek behind the curtain.

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Speaker 1: He came in a little earlier today. Uh. We originally

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the Broncos quarterbacks. And then

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Speaker 1: Greg starts just pounding the table like a madman, saying

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Speaker 1: he wants to talk about the l A Chargers white outs.

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Speaker 1: And I said, hey, you want to go get it?

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Speaker 1: Dog wants a boy. I feel like we've talked about

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Speaker 1: the Broncos. I don't know what I left to say

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Speaker 1: about Paxson Lynch and Trevor Simeons. I like Greg's take

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Speaker 1: on this one. In fact, I did a lot of

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Speaker 1: research in film watching of the Chargers. This is wonderful.

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Speaker 1: We'll start with you West. Well, Tyrrelle Williams might be

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Speaker 1: the most underrated, underappreciation unknown wide receiver in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: As Greg tweeted in big in terms of big plays,

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Speaker 1: there weren't many people better than him, Like year, he's

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Speaker 1: great on post routes, he's great on slant routes. And

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Speaker 1: then you have Keenan Allen come back, and then Mike

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Speaker 1: Williams draft did Travis Benjamin can go back to returning

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Speaker 1: punts and being a third slash fourth wide receiver. This

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Speaker 1: is one of the most most deep wide receiver Tyrelle Williams.

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Speaker 1: Is are we talking not to head over to the

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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler fantasy corner, but are we talking about a

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Speaker 1: fantasy sleeper type producer? Uh? For l A this season.

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking fantasy sleeper. I'm just saying as far

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Speaker 1: as NFL players, he was a thousand yard guy, a

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Speaker 1: big playing machine. He's big and he's fast. The list

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Speaker 1: of players who had more than you know more plays

549
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Speaker 1: over twenty yards is basically the best receivers in league.

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Speaker 1: Odell t y Hill and Julio Jones, Antonio Brown. No

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Speaker 1: one had more forty plus plays, and he might be

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Speaker 1: their third or fourth receiver. So I'm not loving him

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Speaker 1: for fantasy. But that's why I kind of want to

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Speaker 1: watch camp and see how this unfolds. Because Mike Williams

555
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Speaker 1: was a little banged up in the off season. Keenan

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Speaker 1: Allen's coming off an injury, and so I think that's

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Speaker 1: one reason why they drafted Mike Williams. Travis Benjamin's better

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Speaker 1: as kind of a third fourth deep threat. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you have a guy on their team, Dontrell Inman, who

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Speaker 1: had eight hundred yards last year, and I figure he

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Speaker 1: is eighth in line for targets. He had eight hundred

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Speaker 1: yards and he's eighth because he's fifth that wide receiver

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Speaker 1: behind the four guys we talked about. And then you

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Speaker 1: have Hunter Henry and Antonio Gates. It really sounds like

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Speaker 1: Hunter Henry is going to be the starter. That's why

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Speaker 1: I want to watch in training camp to make sure

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Speaker 1: that happens. And Antonio Gates is gonna come off the

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Speaker 1: bench behind him, and then you got Melvin Gordon out

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Speaker 1: of the backfield. Catching isn't a time with Antonio Gates

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Speaker 1: and he's been he's been a great guy's going to

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, but he he looked slower than

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Speaker 1: ever last year. And this guy they have a young

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Speaker 1: kid and Henry who made some plays lest year average

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Speaker 1: over thirteen yards of reception, eight touchdowns. It's sound to

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Speaker 1: pass the torch at tight end right, Dick Gates come

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Speaker 1: one TD short of breaking the record for tight ends,

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Speaker 1: so that's why he's coming back. But I think the

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Speaker 1: passing the torch is happening this year. Yeah, and and

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Speaker 1: he was solid. He's a good role player right now.

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Speaker 1: I think he's willing to embrace that. I was shocked.

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Speaker 1: Hunter Henry led the league in touchdowns of it ends,

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Speaker 1: no one scored more than eight, just surprising end itself.

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Speaker 1: And Antonio Gates was second. And so you have the

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Speaker 1: best one two combo, I would say at tight end

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Speaker 1: or certainly one of them. I guess Gronk and Dwayne

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Speaker 1: Allen would be up there along with this wide receiver group.

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Speaker 1: I just kinda want to see how it shakes out

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Speaker 1: if everyone stays healthy. If you're a Chargers supporter, which

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Speaker 1: I'm growing to be, you're always kind of worried. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's not gonna look as good once they actually get

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Speaker 1: on the field because they get hurt. Well, it's it's

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Speaker 1: fair to worry about the offensive line too, as being

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Speaker 1: perhaps the bugaboo in that system. It's been an issue

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Speaker 1: for them for a few years. And it's important that,

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Speaker 1: let's face it, with the Chargers the last two years,

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Speaker 1: it's important that they have a lot of death because

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Speaker 1: every year, Yeah, and who knows, who knows if Keenan

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Speaker 1: Allen's ever gonna be able the guy can stay on

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Speaker 1: the field. But these guys you're talking about, he's not

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Speaker 1: this He's the four teenth target, probably the number one

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Speaker 1: receiver by November. That's just the way it goes with

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Speaker 1: this team for whatever reason. Uh. And that was the

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Speaker 1: be ignored and um and Buck Brooks called moving the sticks?

636
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: Is it moving the sticks? Where do you hit? Is

637
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: it moving the stick? And this topic came up on

638
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: this program, which apparently is a part of our podcast network.

639
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: Let's just listen in on what was said. You know, DJ,

640
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to go out on the limb, but

641
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: I feel really good about If we had the Vega side,

642
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: I would think move the sticks would be prohibitive favorites.

643
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: We would be the heavy favorite. I think, yeah, I think,

644
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: I think like that. I mean, I've seen them do

645
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: the little canoe thing. I like our chances in that

646
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: they shoot hoops. I feel great about about that one.

647
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: Although I think Claib can play a little bit, and

648
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: I know he's I don't know, check check can pull

649
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: all these different guys. He'll try and get like I

650
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: can claim all these guys is his is his guys.

651
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: So I got we got three, we gotta heavy three.

652
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: Though we're good. I'm on this team. I produced that

653
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: that shows sometimes but wow, wow st alot raveal mcnifico.

654
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: I'm doing it to myself. I mean, what is it

655
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: what is it like to watch yourself stab people in

656
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: the back. Hey, we stab people on the back. I'm

657
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell. You guys started out stabbing me in the back.

658
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: I'm really open arms there guys. Honestly, when this did it,

659
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 1: when it was pushed across the table to us earlier today,

660
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: that my my instinct first of all was too uh,

661
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: just declare vengeance upon Sully. But then I took a

662
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: step back and I said, you know what, Sulli's kind

663
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: of a hired gun here, and he's doing a lot

664
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: of work, and he's covering both shows right now, and uh,

665
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: if he associates himself with whatever that other show is,

666
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: that's fine. I don't. I think it's actually it makes

667
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. So Sully, despite the fact that um,

668
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: on some level it leaves a bad taste of my mouth,

669
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: I'm also I'm not going to go after you because

670
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: I feel like I understand where you're coming from, appreciate

671
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: that you have to hook your baby. Thanks, guys, I

672
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: can't speak for the other well. Plus, you're joining the

673
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: losing team. I think that's a key factor. You might

674
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: not help their ca In general, Jeremiah can't step on

675
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: the basketball court without blowing some sort of injury. I mean,

676
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: Achilles will explode saying we're good at parlor games. Parlor games.

677
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: I got a minor in parlor games in college. I

678
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: would like to see. I would if we ever, if

679
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: this ever did happen, I would like to see what

680
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: the events were, because it should be stated that Jeremiah

681
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: and Bucky both played college ball. Bucky actually played in

682
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: the NFL. It was a long time ago, but they

683
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: are obviously at some point in their lives were gifted athletically.

684
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: They probably would be in a good and they would

685
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: have to carry Sally a little bit. Unless you're playing

686
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: parlor games, right, well, we get some racket sports in there.

687
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,959
Speaker 1: I'll take care of West has got the parlor games.

688
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: If we sniffleballs involved, I'm just I'm gonna my slurve

689
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: is gonna take everybody out for sure. You got me

690
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: in softball, you got me, you got me in cornhole.

691
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm pretty confident in the rest of them. Okay,

692
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: well it's the westcot I like being underestimated. Yeah, let's

693
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: see we need that underestimated. Is Dan Campbell at the Gates?

694
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: Who was underestimate? What I mean by you, I mean

695
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: by the two guys hosting that other podcast. I do

696
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: like that the Dan Campbell thing really stuck and sell

697
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: these crawls. It's come up a bunch of time. I mean,

698
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: he who's who's been more beloved as an interim coach

699
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: than Dan Campbell? Look at it and see poems were

700
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: written about that guy. Yeah, um, all right, that was fun.

701
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: Finally let's move on and talk about the Pain Rankings. Yes,

702
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: the old Zu ser um, burning the Midnight Oil, Wes,

703
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: I love it, you know, just not not resting on

704
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,959
Speaker 1: his laurels all these years in channeling two thousand twelve,

705
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 1: user just digging in, digging my heels and say hey,

706
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: I can get my hands dirty. And the thing I

707
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: like about Dan it's like if he does a lot

708
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: of extra work and really really gets after it's like

709
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: you're not you don't necessarily here about it. He's not

710
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: gonna oh wait, no, he's gonna tell you all about right.

711
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: You know. It's just the way I look at it

712
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: is like, do the work, Just do the work. That's

713
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: how I always look at things. So The Pain Rankings

714
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: was a seven part series back in two thousand fifteen, UH,

715
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: in which I broke down what I believed was the

716
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: rankings of the seven most pain franchises in the NFL.

717
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: Two years later, UH thought, during this quiet period before

718
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 1: training camp, it would be fun to revisit the Pain

719
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: rankings and and see where we are now. And uh,

720
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: I think, let's again, there's gonna be some big surprises here,

721
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: because there are. I first of all, I went from seven.

722
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: I'm bumping into eight. There's just so much misery in

723
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: the league with the Patriots doing what they're doing right

724
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: now that now I have to make it a bigger

725
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: group of eight. And I added two teams, I kicked

726
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: out one, and the team seems that it's like increasing

727
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: their pain level. The irony, Yeah, the irony is not

728
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: lost on me that they can't even get the glory

729
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: and the Pain rankings. But the Kansas City Chiefs exit

730
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 1: the Pain rankings. At the time in two thousand fifteen,

731
00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: they were on a long, long playoff drought, uh, which

732
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: they snapped that draft with the thirty nothing win in Houston. Uh.

733
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: And then they've been record wise the best team in

734
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: the NFL for a year and a half in the

735
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 1: in the regular season, and they got a playoff by

736
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: last year. Now, they didn't capitalize on that. But even

737
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: the biggest pessimist Chiefs fan well would probably find it

738
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: hard to say that things are not in a good

739
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: place right now. I'm just with the other teams that

740
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: have entered the fray here. I had to say goodbye

741
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: to the Chiefs for now. Anyway, you could always re

742
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: enter the Pain rankings in two thousand all time playoff

743
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: record nine and seventeen, and I think if I'm a

744
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 1: Chiefs fan, I would I would say we are coming

745
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: off the pain rankings after two painful playoff defeats. Stop

746
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: if you're a Chiefs fan. That Steeler's loss really stung.

747
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: You know. They thought that was a really strong Chiefs team.

748
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: Even the game in Foxborough, they were pretty competitive. They

749
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: came into that game playing well. So I'm luxury pain.

750
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: They're still in a good place though right now. I

751
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: just tell me if they shouldn't had of any of

752
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: these other teams. Coming in at eight is West's former

753
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: football paramore, the Cincinnati Bengals, who, uh, we're six of

754
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: seven last year. Uh our last time I did this

755
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: and since that happened, Uh, they've had more misery and

756
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: most last year was actually almost a bit of a um,

757
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: you know, a breather for the fan base, just a

758
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: six nine in one season where things just didn't work out.

759
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 1: Season before it was a wreck. They started ten and two.

760
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: Uh they looked very, very good. They were leading the

761
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: North and uh Andy Dalton breaks his thumb in Week

762
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 1: thirteen against the Steelers, and then who could forget? Gentlemen.

763
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: One of the all time I think worst losses of

764
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 1: this century so far was the Saturday night loss West

765
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: Cincinnati hosting Pittsburgh. Vante's perfect Jeremy Hill, uh, Antonio Brown

766
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: getting concussed, uh, Joey Porter fighting on the field. Who

767
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: could forget? I think that's one of the most crushing

768
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: losses any of us have ever seen. But I have

769
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: a philosophical disconnect with with this whole thing. I think

770
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: that you give extra points for luxury pain for first

771
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: world football pain. Oh, you made it to the playoffs,

772
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: but you didn't get what you wanted in the end.

773
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 1: Only one of thirty two teams gets what they wanted

774
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: in the end. I don't think it's that big of

775
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: a deal to be crushed the playoffs. To me, the

776
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: most painful thing is going through long stretches of time

777
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: where you have no chance to do better than two

778
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: or three wins in a season. Your team is wayward,

779
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: it's lost, it's soul draining, it's life killing, and those

780
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 1: are the teams that I feel are the most pained,

781
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: Like the Vikings would not be anywhere near my list. Well,

782
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: we'll get to Vikings at number seven here. I think

783
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: that Wes, you make a good point in the sense

784
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: that UH teams that at least fan bases that have

785
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: a team that gets hot every year or so, they

786
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 1: build an organization that that that has ten win seasons,

787
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: eleven win seasons. But really, especially when you're a team

788
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: that that gets so close and blows games the way

789
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: they do. Now, the Vikings are another example. You had

790
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: Blair Walsh miss a twenty seven yard field goal that

791
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: would have knocked off the Seattle Seahawks. This was uh

792
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: last season or two seasons ago, um, and I mean

793
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: one of the worst field goal misses in NFL history. Uh.

794
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: The following August they are darlings of of the summer.

795
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: A lot of people are picking him as a sleeper

796
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: Super Bowl pick. Teddy Bridgewater in a non contact drill,

797
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: plants his leg and the and the damn knee of

798
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: his implodes basically and we don't even know if we're

799
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: gonna see him again. I mean, the Vikings to me,

800
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 1: even though they've had a lot of success in terms

801
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: of getting to the playoffs. The fact that they keep

802
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: knocking on the door, still have no title wins, have

803
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: some of the more crushing losses ever in forty years

804
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,720
Speaker 1: since they've been in a Super Bowl too, that should

805
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: be you know, there there are people our age that

806
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: have not seen the Vikings. Look at their all time

807
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: record for fifty seven, three, eight, seven and ten. That's

808
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 1: got to be in the top eight teams. Ever, this,

809
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: this philsophical debate is reminding me of uh, the famous

810
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: Sessler Westling Kansas pain ranking debates of two thousand and

811
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: fourteen through two thousand and fifteen, which go down with

812
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: Frost Nixon as some of the most classic debates. And

813
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: it really yeah, and you know right down even last

814
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: year after they treaded for Sam Bradford, they start five

815
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: and oh lose eight of ten. Uh. Even the birds

816
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: nice stadium, but all those birds flying into the stadium

817
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: glass and kills. It's a painful world out there that

818
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: that's what's happened to the Vikings in the last two years.

819
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: Yet they actually you know, they moved backwards on this

820
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: list yea. And in full world. Yeah, well, there's there

821
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: are two very interesting editions this year, We're not there yet.

822
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: The number six I have the Detroit Lins, who I

823
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: didn't really even know what to do with the lines.

824
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: The lines obviously deserved to still have a spot. There

825
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: were number five, and I've dropped them to six. Here.

826
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: What have they done in the two years since the

827
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: pain rankings? Well, they made the playoffs last year, but

828
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: we all know they were not a real playoff team,

829
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 1: and they just I don't know. They've made the playoffs

830
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: two of the past three years. But I wrote in

831
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: the piece, does it actually feel like they've turned any

832
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: type of corner or they just still like the Lions,

833
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 1: just floating along really never giving the team, the fans

834
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: anything to really get excited about. The just the Lions.

835
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 1: To me, this this one has justification for being number one.

836
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: Who has been more pain than the Lions fan base.

837
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: They've got twenty playoff games in almost a hundred years

838
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: of existence. That and their best two players of the

839
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: last two decades basically retired because they couldn't deal with

840
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 1: the pain of being a Lion anymore. Megatron Jesse said,

841
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: and people forget now because it happened twenty years ago.

842
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: But Barry Sanders said the same exact thing that he

843
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: decided at thirty one, and basically yard Shy being the

844
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: all time rushing leader, that he couldn't put himself through

845
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: another season knowing that the team around him just wasn't

846
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: good enough, so that they've actually scared away two of

847
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: the great generational talent forget in the last thirty years

848
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 1: just by being the Lions. So West's point, if pain

849
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: is not even making the playoffs. They have the fewest

850
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: playoff appearances other than the Bengals and the fewest playoff

851
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: wins other than the Bengals. So by your thought, in

852
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: terms of not even making it to the playoffs, the

853
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: Bengals and Lions would be the two worst. Well, who

854
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: think of it this way? What is a more painful

855
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 1: existence to have loved and lost? In the acute pain,

856
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: you feel like they're getting your heartbroken or never to

857
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: have loved at all and going your whole life being unloved.

858
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: And that's what the Lions are versus a team like

859
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: the Falcons who has a devastating loss in the Super Bowl.

860
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: There's acute pain there because it just happened. They'll get over.

861
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,919
Speaker 1: It was their greatest season in history. We'll see number five.

862
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: I have the Falcons not ranked a couple of years ago,

863
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: but they could have been because the Falcons have their

864
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: UH they have never never been to the won a

865
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. They've been to two now. But I just

866
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: you know, and maybe I make a bigger deal it,

867
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: but I and being there per person and seeing ludicrous

868
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: crumble next to me. Um, the worst loss I think

869
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: in NFL history happened on Sunday night in Houston, UH

870
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: in February, UH blowing the lead, and I think, UM,

871
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: I don't think the team will ever not just this

872
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: group of players, but I don't think the Falcons will

873
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: probably ever shake that lost. It basically to me defines

874
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons now UH to the entire country. And

875
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: I thought it's also been interesting this season or this

876
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: offseason seeing how how many people both uh you know,

877
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: rivals of the team and just be every man the

878
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 1: other guy on Twitter have have taken delight and going

879
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: after the Falcons and and and having fun at their

880
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 1: expense all across the country. I just think the fact

881
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: that they've never won a super Bowl and then they

882
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: lost the one in the most devastating uh passion imaginable um,

883
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: that's why they they're in the top five. For me,

884
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's heartbreaking, but also thank you. You gave

885
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: me life. When I look back in twenty years, if

886
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: I'm a Falcons fan, that's the team I'm gonna remember

887
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: for giving me life for a year. I think it's

888
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: totally underestimating how crushing that loss had to be for

889
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: their face. And I think part of it, and this

890
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: isn't really part of the Pain rankings, but I think

891
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: for the Atlanta sports fan, it's certainly Falcons fans are

892
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: Hawks fans and their Braves fans, and just the lack

893
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: of success all all those teams have had for now

894
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: a relatively long time since the Braves were decent is

895
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: part of the mix. I just rewatched that game because

896
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: I'm doing a making the leap on the Falcons defense,

897
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: and I the most you know, who should be number

898
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: one on the Pain rankings is Dan Quinn for going

899
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: back and watching that ten twelve times. That's the same

900
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: by doing that, because I was as even as a

901
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: Patriots fan, just watching the unbelievable amount of luck and

902
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: bad you know, just any number of things that could

903
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: have happened, and it just would have turned around, it didn't. Uh.

904
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,280
Speaker 1: Number four in the list, I have the Buffalo bill Owls,

905
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: who um have not been to the playoffs since uh

906
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: the season, which perhaps not coincidentally is coincided with Tom

907
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: Brady's entire playing career. Uh. But um. I I highlighted

908
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: in in the right up, which you can see at

909
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: NFL dot com slash pain Rankings or NFL dot com

910
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: slash and around, I highlighted Luke Russer, who is an

911
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: NBC News correspondent Bill super fan. His father Luke, his

912
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: boy his father. Uh. Tim Russer was obviously a very

913
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: famous Bills fan passed away a few years back. But

914
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: I just want to highlight this quote that when I

915
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: interviewed him two thousand five, right after they hired Rex,

916
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: and it kind of sums up what sucks about being

917
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: a Bills fan is that they get sucked into different

918
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: narratives about how things are gonna change and then nothing

919
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: works out. Here's what Russer said, Bill Chick Bellichick is

920
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: the master. However, the Jets beat Belichick before in the playoffs.

921
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: If Ryan could pull that off one time time, he'll

922
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: be God in all honesty. If he gets to the playoffs,

923
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: they will erect a statue. At this point, doesn't even

924
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: matter if he never goes for the rest of his

925
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 1: career in Buffalo. If he gets to the playoffs this year,

926
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: they will erect a statue. They already hit their season

927
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: ticket record. It's not even August and they did that.

928
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: It's going to be mayhem at least in those first

929
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 1: few games. And you know what it was, and Bills

930
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: fans were never more excited than that early Bills tenure.

931
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: And look, they're right back where they started with Rex

932
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,439
Speaker 1: nowhere to be seen. It does feel like if you're

933
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: in millennial, if you're say thirty years old or younger,

934
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: this has to be one of the most pained fan

935
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: bases out there. Yeah, I mean they won four they

936
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: won four conference titles in a row, lost four Super

937
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: Bowls in a row. When that that streak ended? What

938
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: and ever since then? What's what are the Bills? What

939
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: does an entire generation of Bills fans have to hang out?

940
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of great fan bases on this list,

941
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: but they are right there at the top. I mean,

942
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: just keeping that franchise in Buffalo, many may deserve it.

943
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: I mean, all these fan bases does serve it truly,

944
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 1: but they really deserve a little sunshine. Uh. Number three

945
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: on the list. I have my New York Jets um

946
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: and you know you the to love and lost are

947
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: never loved, loved at all. I think as a Jets

948
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 1: fan you've kind of experienced both ends of the spectrum.

949
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: I believe that their ability to uh to hand out

950
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: pain to their fans, they can they can take you

951
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: through a co tight type era where they're hopeless or

952
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: where they are right now. They could get your hopes

953
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: up and suck you in and completely destroy you, as

954
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 1: they've done many times, most recently in two thousand fifteen

955
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: in that season finale and Buffalo. Um. The Jets just

956
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: never get over the hump. And and it's not easy

957
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: also sharing a city with the Giants. Um, who um

958
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 1: the butt bumble behind me? You know the butt bumble?

959
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: They have the fits, magic fits magic running out last

960
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,439
Speaker 1: year and now the Jets just not even trying this year.

961
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 1: And you just know the Jets and you you really

962
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 1: have had nothing to really celebrate. As someone a thirty

963
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: seven year old Jets fan, I've never even seen the

964
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: Jets in a Super Bowl. And you know, it's still

965
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: far away. It's just a very frustrating, sad, annoying fan

966
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: experience as a Jets fan. Look, you got your owner

967
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: leaving to be an ambassador. Come on, the same thing

968
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: happened to Steelers a few years ago. Yeah, but I trusted.

969
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, I trusted the Rooney family feels different

970
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: for something taking over better than I do. What are

971
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: you done? Brother? He's like, oh, yeah, my brother's gotta do.

972
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: I don't even know he had a brother. And also

973
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, he'll be running the Jets now.

974
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 1: Uh so there you go. The Jets continue uh to

975
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: mortify my soul and um my father's as well. Number two, MM,

976
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 1: number two and this one. You know, this is why

977
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: I wish Mark was here because number two on this

978
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: list of the Cleveland Browns dropping out of the number

979
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: one spot. And uh, it's not anything really the Browns did.

980
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: In fact, you could you could say maybe it is

981
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: like this isn't this is an offseason of optimism where

982
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: they a lot of people gave uh Sashi Brown and

983
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: uh Hugh Jackson a lot of credit and and they

984
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: got the three first round picks and they address some

985
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: big needs. Um in free agency coming off that one

986
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: in fifteen last year. But at the same time, we've

987
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: been down this road before, so before I moved the

988
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 1: Browns anywhere close to out of the pain rings, we

989
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: actually have to see them do something. So they did

990
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: win one game last year, one last they they still

991
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: are in a lot of ways. If there wasn't something

992
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: crazy going on with the number one team, to me,

993
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 1: the team that with the most pain your thoughts was,

994
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I would keep them at number one. And

995
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: I think we just saw the video of fans with

996
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: paper bags on their heads. I don't remember ever seeing

997
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: a Chargers crab with paper bags on their heads. Cleveland

998
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: has been paper bag since they've been back in nine.

999
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: You talk about a team with a great hissed that

1000
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: has never come close to revisiting that history. They were

1001
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: and he still have an all time winning record. So

1002
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: they do because they were so great when our grandparents

1003
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: were in the prime of their lives. I mean, they

1004
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: were so great in the fifties, in the late forties.

1005
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: And if you think about where Cleveland is, where's the

1006
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame just a short drive from Cleveland. This

1007
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: is the cradle of football. And for them to be

1008
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: so bad in the cradle of football to meet carry's

1009
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: extra weight and they you know, the Bills, We hear

1010
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: it all the time. They haven't been to the playoffs.

1011
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: Um since the ninety nine season. The Browns. Everyone forgets

1012
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: they made it once and I believe the two season,

1013
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 1: but they haven't, uh really and lost the pain lost

1014
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: the painful game still Arians and and Kelly Holcomb underrated

1015
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: chapter in the Bruce Arians book on Kelly Holcomb. Uh

1016
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: that last season, as we witnessed with our you know

1017
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: friend Mark, Uh was a pretty tough ficks. That was

1018
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: an underrated chainful experience because it did some bad things

1019
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: tomorrow after and then and I'm I'm sure a lot

1020
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: of Browns fans to the weight of possibly going oh

1021
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 1: in sixteen, it just kept building and building. You saw

1022
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: it on Hugh Jackson. I mean, Hugh Jackson was kind

1023
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: of a mess by the end of that season two.

1024
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: So just carrying that for about them, you know, four

1025
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: to six weeks when it really looked like it was

1026
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: gonna happen. That was tough. And uh, can we get

1027
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: a little timpany uh for this one solid for the

1028
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: number one team on the pain West kind of you

1029
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: know I was trying to do a reveal, said the name,

1030
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: but listen, I could mess up a junkyard. I know

1031
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: you didn't mean it on purpose. So things happen. Love

1032
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: me body. The number one team on the pain rankings,

1033
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: the Chargers, And I'll tell you why. I had something

1034
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: of an epiphany late last Did I tell you I

1035
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: was burning the midnight oil last night when I was

1036
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: working on this. Yeah, that's impressive. It was very late July, Yeah,

1037
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: very late at what a time to a year to

1038
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: be burning the midnight oil? Just you know, just do

1039
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: the work. Just do the work. And uh And I

1040
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,240
Speaker 1: was trying to figure out where to put the charges

1041
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: and I couldn't find the right spot. And then I

1042
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: thought I took, I took. I took a bigger, like

1043
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 1: a more macro viewpoint. What am I doing here? It's

1044
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: about fan pain and what could be more painful than

1045
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: a team quitting on a city? And the and the

1046
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: Browns know about that. But at least they got their

1047
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: team back. The Chargers on the city of San Diego

1048
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: is not getting their their team back. So for a

1049
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: team that already never got a Super Bowl, um they

1050
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: were in, they never want a Super Bowl, the one

1051
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 1: that they appeared in. They were basically a joke. Uh,

1052
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,720
Speaker 1: just a jobber in a in a professional wrestling match.

1053
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: Uh for Steve Young to trounce. Uh. They they've had

1054
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: soul crushing playoff losses. I mean the Jets beat them

1055
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: in San Diego twice for Christ's sake. Uh. Draft draft

1056
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: day bumbles, terrible trades. They traded Drew Breeze. What was

1057
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 1: their hall that they got back for Drew Brees left

1058
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 1: in free agency? Got nothing? They got nothing. Sorry. Off

1059
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: the field tragedy Junior say How's suicide, which was obviously

1060
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: just the terrible thing for the most famous player in

1061
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: franchise history arguably. And then the long not just that

1062
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 1: they left, the way was drawn out over more than

1063
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: a year to the point where they played last season,

1064
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: knowing are they already said goodbye to the team that

1065
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:26,760
Speaker 1: the previous year remember Eric Weddell memorably you know, kissing

1066
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 1: the fifty yard line and and all that, And then

1067
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: they went back anyway because ownership was still trying to,

1068
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: you know, do whatever ownership was doing to to get

1069
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: the best situation. And then they just left and now

1070
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: San Diego has nothing. They they have been left with.

1071
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: They they dealt with a team that they suffered with

1072
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: for fifty years that never brought them home to the

1073
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: Promised Land. And now there's no light at the end

1074
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: of the tunnel. Every other team that we talked about

1075
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: here still has a chance, even the Browns, even the Jets, uh,

1076
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: even even the Bengals. And it's really the San Diego

1077
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: About the San Diego Chargers, there is no tomorrow for

1078
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: the San Diego Chargers. So I had to put them

1079
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:09,439
Speaker 1: in number one to bolster your point. No team has

1080
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: ever spent fifty seven years or more in a city,

1081
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: or fifty six however long they were in San Diego

1082
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: in the NFL and then moved. I mean, this is

1083
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: the longest the team has ever been in a city

1084
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: and then moved. So but I think, what do you

1085
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: think about the argument that say, Okay, San Diego, it's

1086
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: gonna be seventy eight degrees in Sonny every day for

1087
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 1: these fans. What about Cleveland where they had their city

1088
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: taken away with a much rich, richer They had their

1089
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: team taken away, a much richer history, much richer football

1090
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: area of the country, and they are left with snow

1091
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: and grace. Guys, for most of the year, and not

1092
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: only was their team taken away, but we're gonna compound

1093
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: your pain by making you the most dysfunctional franchise in

1094
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: the league for the next two decades when you do

1095
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: get your team back. I think that's certainly a fair point.

1096
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: And if if people feel strongly that the Browns should

1097
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: be number want an exercise like this, I I can't

1098
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: say that makes no sense, but I guess it was

1099
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: more the things. I think the thing about the weather

1100
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: being good in San Diego is a little bit overblown.

1101
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: Like we've been living in l A for a long time,

1102
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:12,959
Speaker 1: you kind of take it for granted after a while,

1103
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: and it's not something like it makes my life better

1104
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: or I have it better than other people just because

1105
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: I just don't even think about it anymore. In some ways,

1106
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: it's a little more like, you know, I could I

1107
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: can understand why you would be, like if you were

1108
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: somebody that dealt with depression, if you were dealing with

1109
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: stuff and it was just beautiful and sunny every day,

1110
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: I feel like it doesn't really it doesn't make it

1111
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: easier on you that your team has gone. I think

1112
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: at that point, I think there's some truth to it west,

1113
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: and I think it maybe reduces the amount, Like if

1114
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: you're talking about the level of support, obviously the Browns

1115
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: have a different level of support and a more broad

1116
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: fan base than the Chargers do. I think for the

1117
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: true die hard Chargers and I went to their final

1118
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: game in San Diego, and you're kind of right that

1119
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: they even were robbed from the real experience of saying goodbye,

1120
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: because by the second time around, they were just exhausted.

1121
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: They were like, we did we did this a year ago.

1122
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: A lot of the same people that went to the

1123
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: you know, the time before it didn't go to this

1124
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: and there those people that were there, they were heartbroken.

1125
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: They had they told me stories that they had been

1126
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,439
Speaker 1: going for fifty years or their family had been going there.

1127
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: They were the season ticket. They were not going to

1128
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: follow the team to l A. And that was a

1129
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: good thing, a good point Adam Rank, our colleague made

1130
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: in the newsroom. Imagine if your favorite team goes to

1131
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: your rival city, the city that you hate. Now there's

1132
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: some there's some gray area here, there's Orange County where

1133
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: the Charges are actually based. Right now, it's like those

1134
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: fans maybe kind of go but I'm talking real San

1135
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: Diego people. They hate l A, they hate the l

1136
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: A sports teams, and that's where the Chargers went to go.

1137
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: So I think that that makes it even worse for

1138
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: those fans. San Diego fans feel pain now, and it's

1139
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: just gonna stay that way until, you know, they just

1140
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: get used to this world without football. I think the

1141
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: Charges will eventually feel too, They just might not realize

1142
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: it yet. Like where the fans going to come from? Here?

1143
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: Do we really think that the Charges are the team?

1144
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: You mean? It's kind of feel yeah. Yeah, And the

1145
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: Charges are gonna develop a huge fan base in Los Angeles.

1146
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: I think if they won and they were good, they

1147
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: would be enough, just because the NFL is popular enough. Like,

1148
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: if they're good, if they're going to the playoffs, people

1149
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: are gonna be into a little NFL playoff football this year. Sure?

1150
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: Why not? I would say that seasonal effective disorder SAD

1151
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: is a real phenomenon. And when you live your life

1152
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: most of it under Leaden Skies, you need diversions like

1153
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: sports more often in your life. Thing you do when

1154
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: you live in sunshine and beautiful weather. Yeah, but the

1155
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: Browns did get it back. They got back worse than

1156
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: they went the worse than what anybody's and some of

1157
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: the fans thought like we're just another po Dunc town.

1158
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,479
Speaker 1: That was a quote. I don't think that's true, because

1159
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: San Diego is a great city. People, a lot of

1160
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: people's favorite city, right people. People love it. But just

1161
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: losing an NFL team, if you're if football is really

1162
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: in your blood, it does take something. It's like, oh,

1163
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: go kitesurfing today. Uh. The Round the NFL podcast presented

1164
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: by New Era has come to a close. We'll be

1165
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:12,439
Speaker 1: back on Thursday with another show and audio only show. Um,

1166
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll have uh. Actually, Greg, you will not be

1167
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: with us, and I'm not. I do not plan to

1168
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: be here. I'm taking a long weekend. They're gonna be

1169
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: with the Shield though. Ahead of I will be playing

1170
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: softball on Thursday night. Yes, I like your priorities in

1171
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: the right spot. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm not missing a game.

1172
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: Last game of the regular season. People need to know

1173
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: by the lay off, the Shield is now on a

1174
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: three game winning streak and a win in Thursday's regular

1175
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: season finale clinches the division title and a by straight

1176
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: into the finals. As you look to go back to

1177
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: back and we're doing it all for Chris Wesling. You know,

1178
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: I hope that we do the patch, we get like

1179
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: the W patch. At this point, I think that's unnecessary.

1180
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: I just you know, no, it's like, you know, it's

1181
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: like when you know dal Strawberry, you know, got cancered.

1182
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: Yankees put like his number on their hats and stuff.

1183
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: Do you want us to go down that route for

1184
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: you at all? I want to play. I know we

1185
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: want you, and that's why we haven't moved you to

1186
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: We have not moved you to the d L I R.

1187
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: You're on the active roster. You know, the boom rang

1188
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 1: you just you just let's skip. No. You know, every

1189
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: Thursday I'm starting to feel better. I'm getting aggressive with

1190
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: my medication. This week. I need to get that back

1191
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: out on the softball field. We got a championship to

1192
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: defend and we're close to doing it. All right, that's it.

1193
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: Check the show out Tuesday night, PM Eastern six pm Pacific,

1194
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: NFL dot Com a t N video. Dan hansis signing

1195
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: off for the Boss, the mail Man and Slid behind

1196
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: the Glass till Thursday