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Speaker 1: us out. Welsh, what a crazy night of baseball it was.
Speaker 1: You had five walkoff hits for two homer games, three
Speaker 1: walkoff homers, two Grand slams, and a partridge in a
Speaker 1: pear tree. Not bad, not bad, Molb Bruno.
Speaker 2: It was a fantastic fantastic.
Speaker 1: I just noticed it. I didn't even notice.
Speaker 2: Another fun one. Another one, fun one, Bruno, is that
Speaker 2: that was Tatis's first career walkoff. Last night too, we
Speaker 2: had walkoffs across the board. We had rookie stepping up.
Speaker 2: It was a true true site for baseball. Mister brunopiez Apia, Yeah, hey,
Speaker 2: my dad.
Speaker 1: Would be very happy. Right now, Let's talk about another
Speaker 1: thing that made me very happy, which is the Athletics
Speaker 1: performance yesterday, because not only did they beat the Dodgers,
Speaker 1: which is always fun, but Nick Kurtz got his first
Speaker 1: big league home run. I'm so excited. They dropped him
Speaker 1: the ninth in the order and he looked so happy. Welsh,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw the facial expressions of
Speaker 1: Nick Kurtz after the home run. He looked like a
Speaker 1: weight had just been completely lifted off of him. He
Speaker 1: looked like a kid who is out of school for
Speaker 1: the summer. He was so happy, and I hope this
Speaker 1: leads him towards just relaxing and playing ball and not
Speaker 1: pressing too much. Jacob Wilson another big night for him
Speaker 1: with the Athletics four for five. I want to talk
Speaker 1: about this player too, because he's such a strange anomaly
Speaker 1: statistically when you're looking at him what we are used
Speaker 1: to seeing now nowadays in terms of offensive players. He
Speaker 1: was on base all five times, even reached on an error. Yesterday.
Speaker 1: So even though he was four for five, who's still
Speaker 1: on base five times. His slash right now is three
Speaker 1: sixty three, three eighty nine, five twelve. He has five
Speaker 1: fifty eight hits and just forty one hard hit balls.
Speaker 1: What do you think of that, like in just terms
Speaker 1: of like the statistic profile of a guy who doesn't walk,
Speaker 1: rarely strikes out and just makes so much contact. A
Speaker 1: llah arise, but you know, kind of a different version,
Speaker 1: I guess now two point zero.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to touch on Nick Kurts in a second,
Speaker 2: but I completely agree. He has this really fun, great anomaly,
Speaker 2: makes just so much contact. He's got the profile of
Speaker 2: you know, the Luis a Ris type of guys, Like
Speaker 2: they don't barrel the ball a lot, they don't hit
Speaker 2: the ball hard, he doesn't strike out. He's like a
Speaker 2: classic incredible Points League player. I think the ballpark definitely
Speaker 2: is something we've got to take a look at. I
Speaker 2: mean you can see just in the visual hit spray
Speaker 2: chart on Savant. You know they don't look like they're
Speaker 2: no doubters. But also they have an expected home run
Speaker 2: metric on there, and his expected home runs are two less.
Speaker 2: So he's at two point nine where he's got five.
Speaker 2: So you know, even the projections are saying like, yeah,
Speaker 2: three of those five homers were doubted homers. They wouldn't
Speaker 2: have gone in every other place. So you know, I
Speaker 2: think he's taking advantage of specific ballparks. I mean in
Speaker 2: the Dodgers in that corner that really works well. He's pulling,
Speaker 2: but he makes But this is the thing the end
Speaker 2: of the day, this is the thing that makes a
Speaker 2: player like this or any of these guys that have
Speaker 2: these like ninety two. He has a ninety three point
Speaker 2: three zone contact percentage. When they make that type of contact,
Speaker 2: you're just like, just get quality of contact. Figure out
Speaker 2: how to make quality of contact with it, because good
Speaker 2: things can happen, and good things are happening with Jacob Wilson,
Speaker 2: and also they're happening with Nick Kurtz. You know, it
Speaker 2: was a little crazy pilled for me when it wasn't
Speaker 2: just you, but it was like the chat would be
Speaker 2: like or neck Kertch. We did this for like a
Speaker 2: week and it was like, guys, it's a young player.
Speaker 2: But also he was hitting for average this entire time.
Speaker 2: That's what I kept screaming to everybody. He's still hitting
Speaker 2: two seventy even though he's striking out like crazy, showing
Speaker 2: decent metrics, something's going to break here soon. And guess
Speaker 2: what it is. Now? No one's talking about why is
Speaker 2: Nick Kurtz struggling? Because he's hitting two eighty, He's got
Speaker 2: great barrel, great hard hit, he's walking, he's getting the
Speaker 2: ball in the air. Guess what he's expected batting average
Speaker 2: two sixty three. The only negative right now are those strikeouts,
Speaker 2: and he's starting to find some rhythm. So all that panic,
Speaker 2: hopefully everybody chilled out a little bit with Nick Kurtz
Speaker 2: because it's starting to click a little bit and you
Speaker 2: got a really beneficial home ballpark. But what a nine
Speaker 2: to one. By the way, Kurts at nine and Jacob
Speaker 2: Wilson at one. What a weird setup that A's team
Speaker 2: gets to do.
Speaker 1: Joey, it is uh And I'll tell you what. Look,
Speaker 1: I had to start Kurtz this week in my home league,
Speaker 1: and I was just closing my eyes and say, okay,
Speaker 1: it's got to turn on some point. We were talking
Speaker 1: about how to off the schedule is going to be
Speaker 1: ahead of him with the Dodgers and the Phillies and
Speaker 1: some of these other teams, and we said, you know,
Speaker 1: this doesn't look great, but that's baseball, right, Like, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, he's gonna get hot against the better team. Memes,
Speaker 1: that's certainly possible and also anomaly and strange. Jeffrey Springs
Speaker 1: was the guy who stick stuck to the Dodger yesterday.
Speaker 2: And he was in there, so weird the TVDS versus
Speaker 2: where he was. He was always there in that lineup
Speaker 2: we were dealing with.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was weird because you were saying he
Speaker 1: was going to start night He was like, it feels
Speaker 1: like it his but they didn't announce it all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was super well be it wasn't on fan at
Speaker 1: the time of recording the show. Anyway, I thought Padres
Speaker 1: had a big night away, so oh, I think we
Speaker 1: all thought he was going to get obliterated. He did not,
Speaker 1: And that's baseball. Padres. Dylan sees ten strikeouts for him.
Speaker 1: I know last game he had nine. He left with
Speaker 1: a cramp of the forearm all as well. There two runs,
Speaker 1: six and two thirds. The window to buy him is close.
Speaker 1: We tried to tell you two weeks ago, so hopefully listened,
Speaker 1: and he tried to buy him Fernando Tattis Junior, as
Speaker 1: you mentioned, first career walk off homer, and it was
Speaker 1: a big one too off Kenley Jansen. It was monstrous.
Speaker 1: Speaking of monsters, Avier Bias continues to be one. He
Speaker 1: had a pair of three run home runs yesterday. His
Speaker 1: slashes three nineteen, three, fifty seven, five thirteen. He's got
Speaker 1: five homers, twenty seven rebees. We go into at length.
Speaker 1: I don't spend too much time because we talked about
Speaker 1: him at length yesterday in the trade video. If you
Speaker 1: miss that, go watch it on demand on our YouTube channel,
Speaker 1: Fantasy Pros MLB. But this is your moment. This is
Speaker 1: your moment where now it's getting to a point where
Speaker 1: somebody might overpay, you know, for Bias more than he's
Speaker 1: worth the rest of season. I'm not saying you're gonna
Speaker 1: get your Nalvarez back from him, but you know, if
Speaker 1: you're looking at outfielders, would you rather have Brian Reynolds
Speaker 1: rest of season than what he's done consistently of the
Speaker 1: last couple of years. Who was anither over five last night?
Speaker 1: Or would you rather have Hobby or Bias Welsh oh Renn.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not even a question how.
Speaker 1: Quick you answer that, but I guarantee that's a trade
Speaker 1: you could make right now. I don't mich again after
Speaker 1: last night two three run home runs. Man, people, there's
Speaker 1: somebody you'll love to be prisoners of the moment.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's an over fifty percenter still doing that.
Speaker 2: My thing when you said that was like, I'm not
Speaker 2: sure if someone is an overpay, but I think people
Speaker 2: might pay now for hobby bias. In the trade video,
Speaker 2: As talked about the one thing that is very interesting
Speaker 2: when you're talking about process in change equaling results, Hobby
Speaker 2: Bidas does have that and that's something I'm looking for
Speaker 2: for a lot of players, and that there are some
Speaker 2: dramatic swing changes in how he's gotten closed and it's
Speaker 2: very similar, by the way to the Corbyn Carroll thing,
Speaker 2: where he's closed off his stance, he's gotten closer to
Speaker 2: the plate. That's the same thing that Corbyn Carroll's done.
Speaker 2: And he's having some really great results and we're seeing that.
Speaker 2: But all of that to be said, like I don't
Speaker 2: trust it. A profile still looks messy. There's over seventy
Speaker 2: points differential and his expected batting average on the low side.
Speaker 2: But maybe he's turned from an absolutely unroosterble player to
Speaker 2: a serviceable player. But if someone is paying him for
Speaker 2: an everyday startable player, that's where you want to sell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's a lot of good bilos. We mentioned
Speaker 1: a bunch of them. Go check him out on the
Speaker 1: YouTube channel. Also yesterday Elie de la Cruz scary moment
Speaker 1: there when he collided with TJ Friedel Well, that looked
Speaker 1: like it was going to be bad. It was bad
Speaker 1: for Freidile He ended up coming out, but I think
Speaker 1: a lot of us were just worried about everybody there.
Speaker 1: To show you Elie de la Cruz, who we haven't
Speaker 1: talked about, I feel like a lot on the show,
Speaker 1: You're right right, you know. Just that's why I wanted
Speaker 1: to put him in today because we really haven't had
Speaker 1: a lot of Ellie moments. We've had a couple of
Speaker 1: Ellie betts here and there and some things like that.
Speaker 1: But the slash right now is two fifty three twenty four,
Speaker 1: four oh five. Not great with the slugging right. I
Speaker 1: don't love that he's got seven homers, thirty RBI, fourteen
Speaker 1: stolen bases, so cometic stats are kind of there. But
Speaker 1: he hasn't had one of those hot Ellie runs really
Speaker 1: where he just plays out of his mind. So I'll
Speaker 1: put this to you, is this an intriguing by low
Speaker 1: opportunity on Ellie de la Cruz because he it, we
Speaker 1: know he's dreaky, we know he's going to have those
Speaker 1: moments where he's going to just blow up over a week,
Speaker 1: and he hasn't had one of them yet and we're
Speaker 1: six weeks into the season. Don't you feel like it's
Speaker 1: kind of like approaching soon?
Speaker 2: Yeah, if there's any type of a by low, I'm
Speaker 2: all in. Uh, you know, the average is still a
Speaker 2: little bit lower. I think from lower from an expectation standpoint.
Speaker 2: He's not popping off on the power, he doesn't lead
Speaker 2: the league in stolen bases. I still kind of think
Speaker 2: this is, like Legal said, like, I'm not sure anyone's
Speaker 2: like selling buying him low, or selling him low. I
Speaker 2: think what happens is this is like the guy goes
Speaker 2: from an untouchable asset to like, oh, maybe someone's listening now,
Speaker 2: and you're still having to pay a cost, which would
Speaker 2: be a top five overall player, which is a lot.
Speaker 2: But I agree, like I think Ellie is still in
Speaker 2: line to pop up. If if I could find a
Speaker 2: book that would let me do stolen base leaders for
Speaker 2: the rest of the season like they do homers, I
Speaker 2: would still bet Ellie. There's a couple things in like that.
Speaker 2: His expected batting average is a bit lower that I'm monitoring.
Speaker 2: He's a lot worse against off speed pitches this year,
Speaker 2: but he's making more zone contact. I still think he's
Speaker 2: a monster. And the thing he's missing there, look, there's
Speaker 2: like a clear thing. He's not getting the ball in
Speaker 2: the air. It's a four degree launch angle this year,
Speaker 2: so he is struggling in the way because he's barreling more.
Speaker 2: So he's barreling more, but he's getting the ball less
Speaker 2: in the air. That equates to that stat launch angle
Speaker 2: sweet spot. So hitting the ball in a way that
Speaker 2: you can get the ball in the air, he hasn't
Speaker 2: found that yet. When he does, Ball's gonna fly. Would
Speaker 2: I would definitely buy Ellie in opportunities and lie said
Speaker 2: Julio or Ellie Ellie hands down for me. In the
Speaker 2: trade market, that would be one I would love. If
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, I'm trading Julio a little bit on
Speaker 2: the low and maybe he'll bounce back versus Ellie. I
Speaker 2: would buy Ellie ten out of ten times.
Speaker 1: Shane Boss three runs, four and two third. We've been
Speaker 1: watching him very closely these last few weeks because the
Speaker 1: results haven't been great. The E rays above five now,
Speaker 1: but the x FIP is three eight four. So is
Speaker 1: there a circumstance here? Where are buying Boz? And if
Speaker 1: this trend continues, are we concerned that maybe an Ian
Speaker 1: Seymour might get a look at some point sooner than later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know the Ian Seymour thing. I mean, like,
Speaker 2: I think he leads the miners in strikeouts right now.
Speaker 2: Like he's just a beast. How you phrase that? I
Speaker 2: don't think it will be at the expense of Shane Boss,
Speaker 2: like when he gets the opportunity, I don't think it'll
Speaker 2: be at that expense. But Boz has been cursed.
Speaker 1: The guys with five vrrays don't stick in rotations too
Speaker 1: long now.
Speaker 2: But that's a fair point. But I just don't think
Speaker 2: it would be at his expense. But he has been
Speaker 2: cursed ever since that person questioned me on the Dynasty ranks.
Speaker 2: It is like that moment, Shane Boz has just been
Speaker 2: brutal I love him as a buy in Dynasty right now.
Speaker 2: I think it's a it's a it's an okay buy
Speaker 2: in in Redraft versus Dynasty. I mean, you're still seeing
Speaker 2: some of the struggles, but he's got up three and
Speaker 2: a half expected era. He's giving up just way too
Speaker 2: much contact. There's a little probably bit of a pitch
Speaker 2: mix change that he's going to work through because he's
Speaker 2: still throwing like way more curveballs than he's kind of
Speaker 2: scrapped his slider. Maybe we see a readjustment there. But yeah,
Speaker 2: if if he's on the low, I think I would
Speaker 2: probably buy in Redraft. Definitely buy in Dynasty, but I
Speaker 2: have to temper my expectations because people were thinking that,
Speaker 2: you know, Boz was the top twenty sp rest of season,
Speaker 2: and I think you don't want to you don't want
Speaker 2: to pay a cost that's.
Speaker 1: Like that, all right? Uh. Devin Williams Pitch Day perfect tenth.
Speaker 1: That's good news for anybody who's waiting on him to
Speaker 1: come back and be the Devin Williams of old. And
Speaker 1: speaking of you know, guys being the better versions of themselves,
Speaker 1: Jack Lder picked up his third victory of the season Tuesday.
Speaker 1: He limited the Rockies. The Rockies just one run, two hits,
Speaker 1: six innings. He struck out five. But it was the Rockies,
Speaker 1: the worst team in baseball and historically one of the
Speaker 1: all time worst days in baseball.
Speaker 2: They have active baseball team.
Speaker 1: Though, If so, no one's told them, Okay, just.
Speaker 2: Checking, just checking. The Jack Lder wins six.
Speaker 1: That's one, so the ticker is now in one. When
Speaker 1: he gets the six starts, I'll call him a good
Speaker 1: major league But you.
Speaker 2: Don't need to call him a good major league. What
Speaker 2: I think you need to do is you need not
Speaker 2: to pooh pooh when he has a good start and
Speaker 2: then go here we go when he has a bad start,
Speaker 2: and it's like, maybe he's just like a mediocre major
Speaker 2: league pitcher, and I think that's it.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it was the Rockies. So let's not get
Speaker 1: ahead of ours. Let's take some questions here. Jerry wants
Speaker 1: to know about the Pete Rose thing. We'll say that
Speaker 1: for the end of the end of the show, so
Speaker 1: if you stick with at the end of the show.
Speaker 1: I don't know Welsh has any thoughts on it. I
Speaker 1: know he hates the Hall of Fame anyway, I have
Speaker 1: some thoughts, but you have some thoughts, all right? Is
Speaker 1: Tyler O'Neil droppable from Matt on the mound?
Speaker 2: I'd have to pull him up. I'm gonna probably say yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: two o eight two homers. He's dealt dealt with injuries.
Speaker 2: Presumably there's something decent out there. Let's go with yes.
Speaker 1: Austin Hayes ear Kurtz. It's definitely Kurts for me. Kurtz. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I've seen Hayes have these little moments before. Let's go
Speaker 1: to do. It's bogger, Joe. I know how you feel
Speaker 1: about Michael Harris, but I just traded Senga and Alvarado
Speaker 1: for Michael Harris. Can tell Marte and Iglesias. How do
Speaker 1: we feel? I feel great because you got can Tell Marte.
Speaker 2: Trade Senga and Alvarado and got Harris, Marte and Iglesias. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean Senga's been good, but getting Marte.
Speaker 1: And look Senga is also a guy who's era is
Speaker 1: not gonna hold where it is right now. The expected
Speaker 1: the ra is gonna gonna bring it back around for sure.
Speaker 1: I know we have somebody who paid with points. I
Speaker 1: want to them with Stony Lee's I says Stony Stony
Speaker 1: sports question. There you go, Stony, What do I do
Speaker 1: with Brenton Doyle twelve team rodo? My outfield is Meryl
Speaker 1: new bar Springer. I also have Cruise on my bench.
Speaker 1: I'm holding on to for dear life. Also have Josh
Speaker 1: Lowe coming off the il. So what do you want
Speaker 1: to do here with Doyle?
Speaker 2: Ooh man. He was one of the lowest in the
Speaker 2: preseason on Brenton Doyle.
Speaker 1: You were you were, and he got off to a
Speaker 1: decent start to he did your call. The first two
Speaker 1: weeks you were like, eh, bite the nails a little bit.
Speaker 2: I had a couple of those though. It was like
Speaker 2: Matt McClain and Brenton Doyle. I was like lower than
Speaker 2: anybody on and then they came out the gates and
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, here we go and then
Speaker 2: they have come back down to earth. Doyle still got
Speaker 2: some profile stuff that looks solid. You'd probably be surprised at,
Speaker 2: you know, his struggles that he's striking out less than
Speaker 2: he was last year. Hard hit barrels are better than
Speaker 2: they were last year, but he's hitting just two fifteen.
Speaker 2: You got a great ballpark. He's underperforming as far as
Speaker 2: like babbit goes that. You know, if you're in a
Speaker 2: short league, ten team league, I think you can probably move.
Speaker 2: I think it might be advantageous to hold for a
Speaker 2: little bit, because yeah, there's some stuff I keep looking here.
Speaker 2: I mean, zone contact percentage is better, barrel is better,
Speaker 2: hard hit is better. He's improved on strikeouts, like all
Speaker 2: those things are going. He's getting a little bit unlucky
Speaker 2: as far as the Babbitt goes. And he's got a
Speaker 2: great home ballpark, he's got some loud tools, So I
Speaker 2: think if you can hold, probably hold on him. But
Speaker 2: if there's somebody super fun that's out there, you know what,
Speaker 2: Chandler Simpson, I would make that move.
Speaker 1: Here's an interesting one from le may Noevee Marte or
Speaker 1: Royce Lewis rest of season. I mean I would lean
Speaker 1: towards Royce Lewis here because I've seen the high points
Speaker 1: for longer periods of time than Marte. But it wouldn't
Speaker 1: shock me if Marte was the right answer at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, which I know is not great,
Speaker 1: but I think you have to you have to try
Speaker 1: with Royce Lewis. I think at this point, I think
Speaker 1: he's just further along in terms of, like of the
Speaker 1: credibility factor. I think that's where I would put it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that actually is a tougher one than I thought
Speaker 2: it would be, because it's very tough, like Marte got hurt.
Speaker 2: What he was doing before he got hurt, look like,
Speaker 2: you know, he wasn't striking out anymore, and you know
Speaker 2: he's stealing bas is hitting some homers like that actually
Speaker 2: looks pretty encouraging. Royce Lewis is doing absolutely nothing since
Speaker 2: he's got back. I think he just locked in his
Speaker 2: first hits since being backed, so he was oh for
Speaker 2: you know, in the first five games of the season.
Speaker 2: But I think Royce has got some loud tools. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna lean on Royce as well because Marte's hurt and
Speaker 2: we got to see what happens. But you know, in
Speaker 2: a month from now will be hurt in Marte's back.
Speaker 2: It is way closer than when.
Speaker 1: An hour for now, an hour from now, I know,
Speaker 1: it's much closer. I think that's why I said I
Speaker 1: think this is a great question because I think both
Speaker 1: have value and both have risk. But to me, Lewis
Speaker 1: just has had a little bit more of a track
Speaker 1: record at the major league level that I might I
Speaker 1: want to give that guy.
Speaker 2: Don't you think Royce is, by the way, one of
Speaker 2: those guys like, you know, the silly injuries we hear
Speaker 2: in baseball where it's like, you know, he he slipped.
Speaker 1: On soap and oh yeah, he fell into a cure
Speaker 1: bath yelled his name, and he turned around and slipped down.
Speaker 2: And he fell and then he got hurt for a
Speaker 2: couple of days.
Speaker 1: Sorry. Yeah, oh geez, that was back. He is from league.
Speaker 1: Great stat Joe's gonna love this only twice. I wonder
Speaker 1: if Bruno will like it only twice. In MLB history
Speaker 1: has a starting pitcher pitched two and a third innings,
Speaker 1: twelve base runners and eleven hits are all out and
Speaker 1: both were town or how this season? Eh, where's Mike
Speaker 1: Mayer nowhere? Where's he about his about his Boston Red Sox?
Speaker 1: Speaking of the Red Sox, rookie, lookie Marcelo Mayor two
Speaker 1: for four with a three run homer. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: becoming undeniable right now. He's sitting on my bench in
Speaker 1: a league too. I'm just waiting. I'm waiting for that
Speaker 1: call and public Chandler eight eight k's five scoreless for
Speaker 1: Triple A Indianapolis. So I want to put the bubble
Speaker 1: watch back on.
Speaker 2: It's always on, it's next next start. What do we
Speaker 2: We are okay, so here's a good thing to do.
Speaker 2: We are past the line whatever we create that line
Speaker 2: to be. There's a line where it's like I can
Speaker 2: justifiably or anybody could justifiably say. And that was the
Speaker 2: whole season where it was like, all right, you gotta
Speaker 2: build up, you gotta do this. Da da da da dad.
Speaker 2: And then you start to get really close and we're like, okay,
Speaker 2: it could be in the next week or two. Then
Speaker 2: you pass the line where it's like this doesn't make
Speaker 2: sense anymore. It should be any day. That's where Bubba
Speaker 2: Chandler's at. But junior Cameron Naro was at that last
Speaker 2: year where we were just like, what are we doing?
Speaker 2: Why is he down until August or whatever he was?
Speaker 2: We're past the line that makes any like justifiable sense.
Speaker 2: With Bubba Chandler, he had a great he bounced back
Speaker 2: from a poor start, bunch of strikeouts. We should be there. So,
Speaker 2: like I will every time you ask me, I will say,
Speaker 2: the next start is when he should be up in
Speaker 2: the majors and should be the call. And I still
Speaker 2: hold too, Like if you've been holding onto him, I
Speaker 2: still think he kind of should because you drop him now.
Speaker 2: Have you been holding on to him for six weeks
Speaker 2: and you drop him now and then.
Speaker 1: Oh no, he can't some slack.
Speaker 2: He's gonna pick him up off the waivers because you
Speaker 2: dropped him. When he gets called in two days, you're gonna.
Speaker 1: Hate yourself now. Anonymous Kurts or Ronda in a keeper
Speaker 1: Ltz Kurts, it's not even in the same keeper league.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely Kurts.
Speaker 1: Here's when Aronda Kurtz. I think they mean Augustin for
Speaker 1: you utility position. I would go with Kurts too, especially
Speaker 1: after yesterday.
Speaker 2: That's what I'd be looking at. Ronda's pretty incredible so
Speaker 2: far this year. I think I might lean Ronda in redraft.
Speaker 2: But I will say this, the keeper sig even close.
Speaker 2: If Kurtz like carries this over, Kurts is going to
Speaker 2: be on this line. But like you would kill for
Speaker 2: the profile that Ronda has for Nick Kurtz, So I
Speaker 2: guess I'll lean Ronda on that.
Speaker 1: All right. Lucero's I have Grayson Rodriguez and mcclannon on
Speaker 1: my IL my first league. But with the injury news,
Speaker 1: are they worth stashing? They're getting harder and harder to
Speaker 1: keep if you're getting squeezed at the IL spots. But
Speaker 1: I mean you got to try to keep both of
Speaker 1: them or trade one of them. And yeah, I think
Speaker 1: the way I'm looking at both of those players right
Speaker 1: now is if someone's going to take give you a
Speaker 1: useful piece, you know, a David Peterson back of the
Speaker 1: rotation kind of starter that you can pick your year
Speaker 1: moments with and who's actually going to play in the
Speaker 1: next six to eight week, I think I'll take that piece.
Speaker 1: I'll take Griffin Canning for one of these. I just
Speaker 1: don't want to wait and have my whole season waiting
Speaker 1: on these guys to come save my season. And meanwhile,
Speaker 1: every week I don't have them, they're hurting me. I
Speaker 1: just drafted start.
Speaker 2: Is David Peterson and Griffin Canning? Like fix what you've
Speaker 2: been waiting for? Like, that's my only argument.
Speaker 1: You know, statistically speaking, if you just take the names
Speaker 1: away a little bit, I mean they do. That's the
Speaker 1: thing I think you have to. You have to look
Speaker 1: at these hard conversations you have to have with yourself
Speaker 1: at this point where you look at at the here,
Speaker 1: we'll do an exercise, right, well, let's look at the
Speaker 1: stats of major league pictures and where they're at in
Speaker 1: terms of some of these guys. I'll throw some names
Speaker 1: at you that are been surprisingly good. If some, I
Speaker 1: don't think one's gonna give you. Robbie Ray necessarily, right,
Speaker 1: we're very agree right, especially after that last start he
Speaker 1: had yesterday, that's probably not gonna happen. I don't think
Speaker 1: Nola is available, right, I'm not not for these guys now.
Speaker 1: Jose Burrios probably yesterday.
Speaker 2: I think the names you listed are the ones where
Speaker 2: like that's that's probably all I mean, I guess if
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of it, like inversely, like I feel like
Speaker 2: the Shane McClanahan owned Keller, I want to trade him
Speaker 2: for David Peterson. But if you were, like, that's as
Speaker 2: much as you could probably give to get.
Speaker 1: Him, did you take Mitch Keller for him? Strike out
Speaker 1: to walk has been pretty good, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: league average four yard.
Speaker 2: Maybe because there's a lot of trade rumors, maybe he
Speaker 2: can well.
Speaker 1: Look and to Peterson and Canning's you know, Okay, Peterson's
Speaker 1: got three h five e r Can's got two three
Speaker 1: sixty RA. Both have eight starts. Both have gone over
Speaker 1: forty innings forty two to sixteen strike out to walk
Speaker 1: forty three to sixteen strike out to walk. I mean, geez,
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. Here's what I'll say if I told
Speaker 1: you those were Shaan mclanahan's has to be like, Okay, cool.
Speaker 2: Mcclanahan's back to like, I'm being kind of indifferent here
Speaker 2: because I think it's kind of tough. But at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, we still have no timetable on
Speaker 2: Grayson Rodriguez and he said it like a.
Speaker 1: Couple of weeks ago, and I don't think we have
Speaker 1: one on on Well, we have.
Speaker 2: Worst news because yesterday report came out that he's still
Speaker 2: feeling pain in his triceps, and that's pretty concern.
Speaker 1: Not pain. I want to say it was soreness or
Speaker 1: or I want to get the verbiage right, because he
Speaker 1: didn't use the word pain. I think I have it
Speaker 1: in the notes, discomfort, lingering, discomfort.
Speaker 2: I saw a blurb that said pain, but maybe discomfort.
Speaker 1: Maybe lingering discomfort.
Speaker 2: Oh I see this discomfort.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, Yeah, would you drop one of those
Speaker 1: pictures for Chandler Simpson or Bubba Chandler.
Speaker 2: Bubba Chandler Simpson, Yes stole on basis, I think I
Speaker 2: probably would. You know, I probably shouldn't be as indifferent
Speaker 2: as I am at the end of the day. If
Speaker 2: you could get a petersoner canning with what those guys
Speaker 2: are doing, probably should. But I guess like if you're not,
Speaker 2: if your I L is not a huge issue in
Speaker 2: a mess and you're like, oh my gosh, I don't
Speaker 2: have enough space and I got to drop somebody, then
Speaker 2: I feel like the upside of both of those guys
Speaker 2: for the second half of the season is still really positive.
Speaker 2: But if you are in that, I think you can
Speaker 2: make a lot of these moves. Bubba Chandler, I'd probably
Speaker 2: prioritize over both of those guys, I guess right now.
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Speaker 1: they're waiting to give us our Bubba? Where's our Bubba Chandler?
Speaker 1: We've been waiting and waiting, and I know he had
Speaker 1: a bad start not that long ago. And to Watch's point,
Speaker 1: he's human. He's gonna have some bad stars, but ah
Speaker 1: strikeouts yesterday. Come on, if he's not up here by
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Speaker 1: And at the same time, we're waiting for Brian Reynolds
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Speaker 1: a long way to go to compete, but at least
Speaker 1: start being competitive every day on the mound by giving
Speaker 1: that rotation another injection of life too. And all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's a pretty good rotation with Skeens, Keller,
Speaker 1: Chandler and hopefully Jared Jones at some point as well.
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Speaker 1: more baseball, and let's start with the ups and downs
Speaker 1: from yesterday. Robbie Ray three run, six innings, nine strikeouts
Speaker 1: for him, Andrew Abbott great but no decision against the
Speaker 1: White Sox seven k's and Josh Young two homers. For him,
Speaker 1: the downs Jose Burrios classic, Jose good starts, bad starts,
Speaker 1: mediocre starts. At the end of the day, he ends
Speaker 1: up being your league average pitcher. Five runs, four earned, a,
Speaker 1: five and a third. Landon Nac got shelld yesterday against
Speaker 1: the Athletics. He gave up five runs and four and
Speaker 1: two third and Jeff Hoffman five runs blues save. Now
Speaker 1: he is allowed at least three earned runs in three
Speaker 1: of his last five appearances. So Welsh, take me to
Speaker 1: Toronto and the closer role. What's in the future here
Speaker 1: for Hoffman?
Speaker 2: It might be big. Chad Green specula time, I know
Speaker 2: someone had mentioned that not too long ago, and that this,
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the curse of curse, and yeah,
Speaker 2: it was you. Well, I think a listener also had
Speaker 2: brought it up. It just like it was me, listen,
Speaker 2: Jeff brought it up. Okay, Well, Jeff had signed that deal,
Speaker 2: he had been pretty solid through the season, he had
Speaker 2: had everything locked up, and then pretty much right after
Speaker 2: saying that he has had all these poor outings, Chad
Speaker 2: Green has been pretty good. He's got a three and
Speaker 2: a half hera. I will say, though, oh my god,
Speaker 2: he's giving up twenty percent barrel right now, and he's
Speaker 2: gotten expected era that's over five. So this isn't exactly
Speaker 2: Cade Smith taking over for Emmanuel Clause or Luke Weaver
Speaker 2: taking over for Devin Williams. I kind of still think
Speaker 2: that Hoffman, even if they were to say like we're
Speaker 2: gonna give him a little rest or something like that
Speaker 2: and they go to Chad Green, I don't think Chad
Speaker 2: Green's taking this over for him. So I'm still probably
Speaker 2: a pick up if he's dropped or something like that
Speaker 2: on Hoffman. But it never hurts to speculate on those
Speaker 2: second guys if you can. If you have the ability
Speaker 2: and your rosters and he's out there, Chad Green maybe
Speaker 2: gets a savor too. Kause Hoffman has been a little nicy.
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Speaker 1: Baseball My Playbook app today injuries, a lot of them.
Speaker 1: Roki Sazaki goes to the fifteen DAYIL with the shoulder impingement.
Speaker 1: I think he went to the IL with the an
Speaker 1: impingement of his era, which is four seven to two
Speaker 1: fifteen percent strikeout right. Yuck. Has not been great for Roki,
Speaker 1: and I was probably the biggest fader of him going
Speaker 1: into this offseason at all.
Speaker 2: After after me to say we do me both.
Speaker 1: I killed him in the Black Book this year too,
Speaker 1: I really did. I was like, guys, I'm just not
Speaker 1: there on this kid. Heyeh.
Speaker 2: I think he'd be massively talented. He's a really interesting
Speaker 2: dynasty buy. But from day one I got a lot
Speaker 2: of crap. I did this Industry Prospect draft and I
Speaker 2: had the first pick and I didn't take Roki Sazaki,
Speaker 2: and I got crapped on for it. I dated him.
Speaker 2: I took Tom and guys, which doesn't look that great.
Speaker 2: So you can grab on me about that, but that
Speaker 2: I didn't take Roku Zaki, you can grab on me,
Speaker 2: just not the same thing with the crochet stuff, Like
Speaker 2: if you wanted, if you want to come at me,
Speaker 2: come at me about the right stuff, not the wrong stuff.
Speaker 1: But can he bounce back, though, can he come back
Speaker 1: from this? Yeah? Injury and oh yes, well Zaki caim.
Speaker 2: But the problem has always been you saw Vlo down,
Speaker 2: You seen that his uh his, he had no slider,
Speaker 2: his fastball was kind of flattened out. It was all
Speaker 2: the split finger injury problems or seeing this little mental
Speaker 2: game to it from day one, fading him. Unbelievable ADP
Speaker 2: that he had going on zero shares of Roki Sazaki.
Speaker 2: It's a little I told you so. Does that mean
Speaker 2: he's going to be an untalented player? Absolutely not. There's
Speaker 2: a long way to go. But the draft capital that
Speaker 2: was put into him in the preseason is Berserko. Absolutely berserko.
Speaker 1: Uh. Let's get to some better news. Uh, at some
Speaker 1: point on the injury list more bad though, Corey Seeger
Speaker 1: did officially go in the IL. I just want to
Speaker 1: throw that out there. We were waiting for the official
Speaker 1: move to happen and took a while. Acunia though, it
Speaker 1: was back Ronald Acunya, first game back, minor league rehab game,
Speaker 1: first one Welsh What did he do? Hit a home run?
Speaker 1: How'd that make you feel? Well? Feel strong? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, all the cockles were just jingling so wonderful. It
Speaker 2: is sad, that, isn't it sad When a major superstar
Speaker 2: has a rehab assignment and I'm not there, It just
Speaker 2: doesn't feel quite right.
Speaker 1: It is kind of strange.
Speaker 2: I feel like I should have went to Florida just
Speaker 2: for that. But it was phenomenal to see hit a Homer.
Speaker 2: He was hanging with all these kids. This is why
Speaker 2: I'm also taking that under again. He's not going to
Speaker 2: be for the I think it was in the SCL
Speaker 2: He's going to move up. He's going to get a
Speaker 2: little bit more competitive, and I really do think pre
Speaker 2: what did you say June sixth? Originally you're going to
Speaker 2: get him right before May happens that we're going to
Speaker 2: get Ronald Acunya back and love to see Homers in
Speaker 2: those first rehab starts.
Speaker 1: There's no like. I'm trying to remember too. Was he
Speaker 1: on the sixty, Like, is there a date where he's
Speaker 1: not allowed to come back before June?
Speaker 2: That's a great question. I don't remember.
Speaker 1: If he was put on for research that sixty where's
Speaker 1: the research team? Somebody get them on there.
Speaker 2: But also if research team, let's say he was put
Speaker 2: on this because you could retroactively do it if he
Speaker 2: was put on the sixty the season started, I think
Speaker 2: the twenty eighth, which would line up beautiful four the thirtieth, So.
Speaker 1: There you go, just in time. So yeah, what you first?
Speaker 1: All right? Kevin Cash, we mentioned it earlier, was mentioning
Speaker 1: that Shane McClanahan still feeling discomfort, lingering discomfort, and he's
Speaker 1: not going to start ramping up the intensity right now.
Speaker 1: So there's still no timetable for Shamee McClanahan, and that
Speaker 1: just sucks. Man. I went all in this year with
Speaker 1: McClanahan and Alcontra, and let me tell you, in this
Speaker 1: one league, it has not been good to me. It
Speaker 1: has not been good. It's been an epic fail. I
Speaker 1: have to own it. It's been terrible. The math was good,
Speaker 1: the risk was good, the price was good. It's just
Speaker 1: been terrible. Tyler Glass, now he's clear, start throwing, okay,
Speaker 1: So keep your fingers crossed and that goes okay. Logan
Speaker 1: Gilbert twenty five pitch bullpen session yesterday. You Darvish is
Speaker 1: gonna make a minor league rehab start today in triple A. TJ.
Speaker 1: Friedo we mentioned earlier, had that terrible collision in center
Speaker 1: field with Ellie de la Cruz. He was removed with
Speaker 1: a wrist soreness there and then Mike Trout moved from
Speaker 1: the zero gravity treadmill to fielding into Jody drills on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: So maybe getting closer to a rehab assignment for Mike Trout,
Speaker 1: which would be great and Welsh. That brings us to
Speaker 1: the best bets of the day with Joey p and
Speaker 1: the Welsh, Let's take a look at today's betting slave.
Speaker 1: We've got a lot of day games. We're gonna go
Speaker 1: right to the night and I'm gonna go right to
Speaker 1: Nico Horner plus two twenty five to steal a base. Now,
Speaker 1: why am I doing that? Because Augustin Ramirez is just
Speaker 1: one for fifteen throwing out runners this year. That's not great.
Speaker 1: Nico's got some wheels, he can steal a base. We're
Speaker 1: getting a huge return on this plus two twenty five.
Speaker 1: So I love this. I went out there and you
Speaker 1: know I'm doing these stolen base props.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I'm very big on this because I like to see
Speaker 1: the catchers that are struggling to throw guys out and
Speaker 1: find the speed stairs because you're always getting such a
Speaker 1: positive number and tonight Nico Horner is definitely that guy
Speaker 1: that's getting a really good plus two twenty five just
Speaker 1: to get a steal. He's also, by the way, fun
Speaker 1: fact of two players one of two that has yet
Speaker 1: of all qualifying at bats to hit a home run
Speaker 1: him and you want to guess who the other one
Speaker 1: is qualifying.
Speaker 2: At bats that do not have a home run, that
Speaker 2: do not have a home run. Oh, give me like
Speaker 2: a small hint.
Speaker 1: A National League East infielder.
Speaker 2: Oh, those are good hints, Mace. That's central. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Let's leave it for the chat. See what the chat
Speaker 1: has to say about it. In the meantime, give me
Speaker 1: Aaron Judge to drive it a run today a plus
Speaker 1: one twenty five as well. He has a career four
Speaker 1: twenty nine batting average with a fifteen hundred ops against Castillo.
Speaker 1: Who's on the hill tonight for Seattle and Turik scooble,
Speaker 1: give me over seven and a half strikeouts at minus
Speaker 1: one oh four last six starts, he's been brilliant fifty strikeouts,
Speaker 1: one walk in thirty seven innings, pitch four earned runs.
Speaker 1: Just incredible run here for Tarik's schoogle. So those are
Speaker 1: my bets Welsh. We'll go through yours and then we'll
Speaker 1: see if anybody's got an answer. No, it's not Jackson Holiday,
Speaker 1: he said, National League's, National League's.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go with the New York Yankees first
Speaker 2: five money line. I think Will Warren is on the bump.
Speaker 2: But more importantly, even though it's the Luis Castillo on
Speaker 2: is why this is not like heavily favored one direction.
Speaker 2: But Luis Castillo has not been great. Yankees offense has,
Speaker 2: so we're gonna go first five money line. It pushes,
Speaker 2: we push. If they're up by a run through five,
Speaker 2: we taken it home. We're going with the New York
Speaker 2: Yankees first five money line. Corbin Barrels Corbyn Carroll is
Speaker 2: tied for the league lead in homers. Did you know
Speaker 2: that he is a monster. There is some wind blowing
Speaker 2: out it's to his opposite side, but you know he's
Speaker 2: not afraid and he has punched plenty of homers out
Speaker 2: on the opposite field. But we don't even care about that.
Speaker 2: Jordan Hicks hasn't quite done that. But we're gonna go
Speaker 2: with over total bases one point five over total bases,
Speaker 2: which is plus money on carbon barrels, one of the
Speaker 2: hottest hitters in baseball plus one oh five, and then
Speaker 2: this canna be a weird one. But Hunter Dobbins over
Speaker 2: four and a half strikeouts plus one ten. Dobbins has
Speaker 2: kind of been a monster. I was doing a stream
Speaker 2: yesterday on my personal twitch and someone had brought him
Speaker 2: up and you're looking, and you're going, man, this split finger.
Speaker 2: There's this fastball, there's this like three pitch mix that's
Speaker 2: getting it going. He's keeping batters to you know, he's
Speaker 2: not a strikeout monster, but he's keeping batters to bad contact.
Speaker 2: You got the Tigers in town. I think that split
Speaker 2: finger is going to give some people some fits. So
Speaker 2: we're going to go five strikeouts, which Dobbins has hit
Speaker 2: I believe in two of his last three starts. So
Speaker 2: Hunter Dobbins over four point five strikeouts versus the Tigers
Speaker 2: at plus one ten. Those are my best bets, me
Speaker 2: and Puppet Joe. I don't know if you saw Joe.
Speaker 2: We almost had a real true Puppet Joe moment pre
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Speaker 1: To the home run board. There it is Wankee Penguin
Speaker 1: at fifteen, above the Welsh now at fourteen, Marty's still
Speaker 1: at the top of nineteen. I did not get a
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Speaker 1: Get yourself something nice. Well, forget yourself something Bruno, whatever
Speaker 1: you want. All right, So tonight I'm going with Aaron
Speaker 1: Judge again. Great numbers against Guestdio. Aaron Judge is out
Speaker 1: of his mind. He's having a Bonds esque sort of season.
Speaker 1: I need a home run. I'm I have no shame.
Speaker 1: So Aaron Judge, that's it. Uh, I got no uh
Speaker 1: no analysis behind that Welsh what do you got?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna go shameless with you because I haven't
Speaker 2: done this all year. I don't think I picked. I've
Speaker 2: never picked Aaron Judge this year. I think check the records,
Speaker 2: and I don't think I've picked sho heo Tani. I
Speaker 2: usually do most of mine without but we're gonna go
Speaker 2: Otani tonight. There's some wind blowing out Otani. Obviously the
Speaker 2: monster gonna get back on the board. So I saw
Speaker 2: Joe playing at cheap. I'm gonna play at cheap today.
Speaker 1: We're going double down because I have Hotani yesterday.
Speaker 2: So well, Also, you're gonna do a little imperpetuity because
Speaker 2: you're not gonna be here tomorrow.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so I'll just take judge in perpetuity.
Speaker 2: For the next two days because.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow I'm getting my perpetuity checked. That's he's going to
Speaker 1: got to do. When you get in your mid forties,
Speaker 1: he's supposed to go do this, So I'm going to
Speaker 1: do it. Well, No, not that one. Now, that's not that.
Speaker 1: It's not that one. It's the other one. It's the
Speaker 1: one where they, you know, with the camera and they
Speaker 1: go whoo, they look around in me, they see what's it? Well,
Speaker 1: they find speaking of pieces of crap, Pete Rose was
Speaker 1: reinstated to Major League Baseball, I guess yesterday along with
Speaker 1: Shoe was Joe Jackson. People asked us for any comments
Speaker 1: we had at the beginning of the show, so we
Speaker 1: did all the fantasy and all the betting stuff. First.
Speaker 1: I think that America has a complicated history, and I
Speaker 1: think it's important to tell it. I think Baseball has
Speaker 1: a complicated history, and I think it's important to tell it.
Speaker 1: I think at the same time, you have to let
Speaker 1: the people who are in charge of the decisions make
Speaker 1: these decisions. It's funny in some ways Baseball was ahead
Speaker 1: of America, you know, around the like in the fifties
Speaker 1: when you're breaking the color barrier with Jackie Robinson. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of amazing things that went on with major
Speaker 1: league free agency. Yeah, we take that for granted what
Speaker 1: that looks like in other sports now that people aren't
Speaker 1: just indentured servants. In a lot of ways, the story
Speaker 1: of baseball and the story of America go hand in hand.
Speaker 1: And they're not always pretty stories. Sometimes they're a little ced,
Speaker 1: sometimes they're gross, sometimes they're sad, sometimes they're scary. And
Speaker 1: Pete Rose was an incredible baseball player and also probably
Speaker 1: a sociopath. He convinced himself that he wasn't doing something
Speaker 1: he was doing. He did a lot of other things
Speaker 1: that were very unsavory. From all the accounts that we have.
Speaker 1: He's the all time hit leader. I think it's kind
Speaker 1: of crazy to put him in the Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: after he's dead. I know that's what the family wants,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, well for me, I look
Speaker 1: at it and saying, if his peers vote him in,
Speaker 1: or whoever now gets the vote, if it is the
Speaker 1: baseball writers first, which I assume it is, that there's
Speaker 1: a good chunk of them that are going to vote
Speaker 1: for him. I just want the plaque to tell the truth,
Speaker 1: and I think at the end of the day, a
Speaker 1: museum is supposed to be the truth of a scenario
Speaker 1: and the truth of a history. Same with Joe Jackson,
Speaker 1: Which is funny because Joe Jackson was never convicted of
Speaker 1: doing the things. He always said, I never did this.
Speaker 1: He was part of that group, and you know he
Speaker 1: said I never threw the games. You know, the money
Speaker 1: never showed up, all that stuff. So I have an
Speaker 1: easier point with Joe Jackson than I do in some
Speaker 1: ways with Pete Rose. But I'm fine with both of
Speaker 1: them being in the Hall of Fame as long as
Speaker 1: the plaque tells the truth and the whole story and
Speaker 1: not just the warm and sunny version of it. Welsh,
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess I've for the most part,
Speaker 2: just agree with that. Like it's there's a lot of
Speaker 2: stuff that people are bringing out about some things I
Speaker 2: didn't even realize about Pete Rose and what kind of
Speaker 2: like a garbage person he could be in some spaces,
Speaker 2: But the Hall of Fame is about the player on
Speaker 2: the field, and like maybe some of those things can
Speaker 2: be differentiating factors for a fringy player, but like you know,
Speaker 2: I'm this is very different scenario, but like very Bond
Speaker 2: should be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Like there's not.
Speaker 2: A question about it for me.
Speaker 1: Again, tell the truth and tell the truth on the plaque.
Speaker 2: Pete Rose definitely, you know, differentiating the type of person
Speaker 2: he was and the stuff he did to what he
Speaker 2: did in baseball, I think are crazy. But I'll tell
Speaker 2: you this, of all these things, I'm still a little
Speaker 2: I'm always indifferent. I think the Hall of Fame is
Speaker 2: kind of silly and all others, like, especially with how
Speaker 2: it's been treated. But I was thrown off by what
Speaker 2: they decided to do in the take of this, being like,
Speaker 2: well it's a lifetime ban, but they're dead, so now
Speaker 2: we'll talk about it. I think that's hilariously stupid. Really,
Speaker 2: I just think like, yeah, that's going to if you're
Speaker 2: gonna consider them in any capacity, then let's have a
Speaker 2: bigger conversation. Don't just be like, well, now they're dead
Speaker 2: and they went to their grave with all the badness
Speaker 2: and that they'll never get there. But now that they're dead,
Speaker 2: now we can do that. And by the way, US Baseball,
Speaker 2: we're gonna take all the credit and all the accolades,
Speaker 2: and oh, we're gonna now put them here and people
Speaker 2: are gonna come see this, and we're gonna make money
Speaker 2: off of their name, and we're gonna I think it's
Speaker 2: silly and stupid.
Speaker 1: Well, the family's care, the legacy cares. They can make
Speaker 1: money off of it too, sure to a certain degree.
Speaker 1: But you know, once the once the person's gone, which
Speaker 1: is why I always hate when people go in possums.
Speaker 1: I hated when Buck O'Neil went in after he had
Speaker 1: passed away, a man who gave his life to the
Speaker 1: game of baseball, and so many people from the Negro
Speaker 1: leagues had gotten in the Hall of Fame, but not
Speaker 1: Buck O'Neill, who was an ambassador of the game everywhere,
Speaker 1: just an incredible human being and a great baseball player too.
Speaker 1: I was so grateful that Dave Parker was not in
Speaker 1: that circumstance. He's not been well for some time. I
Speaker 1: want Dave Parker in the Hall of Fame, to be
Speaker 1: there at the Hall of Fame, but you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's baseball. Hall of Fame is a weird.
Speaker 2: And there's not definitive answers for anybody. I think everybody
Speaker 2: knows that. At the end of the day, it's like
Speaker 2: everybody has their opinion on it. It's fine. I think there
Speaker 2: are some things that are kind of like you can
Speaker 2: just full on, you know, say, like we can't really disagree.
Speaker 2: Like Pete Rose was the all time hits leader, you know,
Speaker 2: so like that speaks for himself.
Speaker 1: That is what it was his letter, But he lied
Speaker 1: about betting on baseball, which he did, which was illegal
Speaker 1: at the time and was subsequently banned. Tell the story.
Speaker 1: It's okay, it's a museum. It's music museums. Think about
Speaker 1: the museums, you know that have horrible things in them.
Speaker 1: They tell the truth, right, but they're accurate and it's important.
Speaker 2: And there's some scumbags that are in there right now
Speaker 2: for sure. They just hit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's guys who took steroids. There's some horrible human
Speaker 1: being of Ty Cobb, not the best human being. Yeah right,
Speaker 1: you know, but again the circumstances are what they are.
Speaker 1: The answer, by the way of the trivia question, the
Speaker 1: other guy was Xavier Edwards, who's in this next and
Speaker 1: last question. He's the guy that doesn't have a home run?
Speaker 1: Who should I take rest of season? Head to head, Edwards,
Speaker 1: Netto Wilson or William Thomas, all available on waivers. Wow,
Speaker 1: shallow league, very shallow.
Speaker 2: They gotta go Nedo. But these are all great options,
Speaker 2: and you should go with the hot hand if all
Speaker 2: those type of guys are sitting out there, because then
Speaker 2: you could just burn and churn.
Speaker 1: Here you go. That'll do it for us, But the
Speaker 1: story of the game goes on for the Welsh. I'm
Speaker 1: Joey P. We'll see you next time. Kids. Thanks for
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