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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Giants huddle as we honor the nineteen

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Speaker 1: nineties Super Bowl champions It's presented by bud Light. When

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Speaker 1: game days ago, there's a bud light there. I'm Paul

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Speaker 1: de Tino defensive. And Leonard Marshall may have made the

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Speaker 1: loudest hit in the Giants fifteen to thirteen NFC Championship

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Speaker 1: game win at San Francisco that year, but he said

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Speaker 1: the seeds to the nineteen Super Bowl victory over Buffalo

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Speaker 1: were planted in the playoff loss to the Rams the

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Speaker 1: year before. You know what, and I'm serious, I knew

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Speaker 1: that our football team was just that good in n

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Speaker 1: as it was in eighty nine. I've felt eight nine

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Speaker 1: we left, we left a lot more on the table.

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Speaker 1: Then we took we shouldn't we teacher and went eight

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Speaker 1: nine teaching them went for the eighty nine, And I

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Speaker 1: thought in eighty nine that the round the way around

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Speaker 1: and this was like closed the door, that's it. You know.

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Speaker 1: I kind of felt like major slaps in the face.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna recover from this, you know. And I

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Speaker 1: felt like our team put a chip on its shoulder

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Speaker 1: that whole all season, UH with the vengeance and intend

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Speaker 1: we played that day against Iran UH the last time

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Speaker 1: we saw them. Now. Now, granted, it took a hell

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Speaker 1: back from that seventh three loss UH at San Francisco

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Speaker 1: UM early November, and that that hung in the back

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Speaker 1: of my mind and UH and then hung in that

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Speaker 1: that I could tell you is difference between that game

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Speaker 1: at seven three in the championship game, UH, that team

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Speaker 1: and that team that played the championship game had it

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Speaker 1: don't know if that was January January nineteen, it was

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Speaker 1: January ninety one. So so, Leonard, you think it was

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Speaker 1: important that you guys had gone through that slug fest

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Speaker 1: I think it's benefited And I tell you for a

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Speaker 1: I think that impacted it was the fact that one

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Speaker 1: we we we kind of you know, we uh we

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Speaker 1: we knew that, you know, uh, he knew the mentality

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Speaker 1: our team. We knew the respect we had in San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: But he also knew our mentality going in to play

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Speaker 1: them that we always felt we were the more more

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Speaker 1: You know, we did everything the hard, help build ourselves,

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Speaker 1: I think that that was to our favor. Uh, It's

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Speaker 1: you know, Leonard, I've heard some of your teammates talk

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Speaker 1: it was after that that your defense seemed to have

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Speaker 1: what I considered the NFL shot heard around the world

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Speaker 1: You know, the ball is third and long. Um, third

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Speaker 1: famous heads I think in in NFL postseason history for

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Speaker 1: Those two men being Bill Belichick and Bill Pusha. Well,

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Speaker 1: package where Belichick says, Okay, Thermat Thomas can have his

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Speaker 1: thankful football. You don't miss on the other crep you

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Speaker 1: missed death. That's defensive end Leonard Marshall in the Giants

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Speaker 1: huddle as we celebrate the nine nineties Super Bowl champions

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Speaker 1: I'm Paul to Tino, so long, everybody,