WEBVTT - Gary H. Miller Meets World 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:23.479 So Susan and I were on a walk as you 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:27.040 do every day every day, twice a day usually, but 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:29.240 we might we might not be on the same walk 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:31.240 twice a day because I walk the dog usually in 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:33.080 the morning, and then we do the walk later at night. 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:37.640 But as as we do, questions pop up. Okay, and 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:40.600 so I got another walking with Sue and sammy question 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:44.040 for you. Okay, I'll ask the question that I'll answer 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:47.479 the question for myself to give you both time to 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:49.640 come up with your answers. So we're walking down the 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:55.520 street and I walk by a beautiful plant and it's 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:58.240 one of my favorite smells in the world, which led 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:01.320 to Top five Smells in Your Life. 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:06.919 Hops five Smells. So here we go and Wilfredell's hand. 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:12.360 Exactly so, in no particular order, the plant I walk 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:15.640 by night jasmine, absolutely, Oh, I love it. 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:21.160 I love it so much. My cologne bread, fresh bread 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:22.360 being baked. 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:23.399 Oh yeah, that's a good one. 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:29.400 Susan makes this amazing oatmeal that are granola that makes 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:32.440 our entire house smell like oats and cinnamon and honey. 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:36.600 It's incredible. And then good old fashioned gasoline. 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:37.920 Oh yeah. 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:40.200 Are some of my top five smells, so I throw 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:45.479 it back to you people loves Gasol's not. 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:47.160 Great for you, man, He's like, hang home. But I 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:47.840 like smell. 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:51.120 I literally insert this smell so we know to stay 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:52.200 away from this stuff. 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:55.920 So either one of you throwing it out there. What 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:59.200 are some of your favorite smells? Books? 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:01.720 Like a library, like you know, which I talked about 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:04.360 on this is actually like there's a vanilla smell that 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:05.000 comes out. 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:06.920 Of old books from the glue they used to bind. 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:08.680 So books. 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:13.480 I have a campfire, and I have a I have 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:15.560 a candle that's called a Knight in the woods. It's 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:18.840 just like it's got a couple of different tree flavors 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:21.160 in it, but it's mostly mostly just smells like campfire. 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:23.280 It's so yeah, And I. 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:30.200 Guess coffee, oh, just like knowing yeah. And then probably vanilla, 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:31.840 which is a little up there with you know, kind 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:34.160 of the same the same thing as books. But yeah, 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:36.600 I like a nice distant vanilla, not like too strong, 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:38.960 not like overdone, but like when you know that there's 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:40.520 like a nice vanilla flavor in the air. 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:42.840 Gosh, what a bread is a good one? Man, I've 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:44.360 never thought about it, but bread is a smell. 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:46.200 Bread like you walk into a place like a bakery 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:47.520 where they're just baking bread. 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:49.680 Oh yeah, I just want to wrap myself up in it. 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:51.120 Yeah, so good. 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:58.920 Danielle cool water cologne Cool, I've never even heard of that. 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:04.440 What is what from the nineties? It's it is boyfriend 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:09.800 smell of every high school boy of the nineties, and 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:11.760 it takes me right back to Michael Goldman. 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:15.560 Like the same thing with old spice. 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:19.440 That's so funny. Old spice will know. 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:22.840 But it's date night, Pickles is coming out. Let's put 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:25.840 on the old spice, old spy, She says, the same thing. 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:27.160 It like smells like high. 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:32.800 School, high school boyfriends, high school boyfriends. I love water 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:36.760 clone similarly to the gasoline. When I was a kid, 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:38.960 I really love the smell of gasoline. But now like 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:43.880 the markers, like the smell of like a those like smell. 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:45.480 Deeply and you wake up thirty seconds later. 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:48.760 Yeah, I love that smell. 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:55.320 I think like anything pine like Christmas, the smell of Christmas. Yes, 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:59.520 something piney tree, Yeah, Christmas smell. 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:01.080 I totally agree. 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:04.280 Bread is really good, but also I'd like to throw 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.720 it in the mix of the smell of bacon, bacon cooking. 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:11.600 You know, like the smell of breakfast. There's there's something 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:16.080 about the mix of coffee toast bacon that like, I 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:20.840 just call it diner smell of diner diner. 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:23.960 If there was a candle that was diner candle, that 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:24.920 wouldn't be a bad call. 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:27.200 It's a great idea. We could we could have a chubby, 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:35.360 chubby candle if I could bottle the smell. The stinky 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:42.880 smell of my children's feet right now, really pre peubescent, yeah, 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:45.239 stinky kid feet. 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:47.840 I'm telling you all that, like loving your kids smells, 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.240 are not being bothered by your kid smells is gone by? 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:52.560 I know by not actually I know. 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:55.240 I was like suddenly I did not want Indy to 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:59.040 be anywhere like yes, until then I was like no, 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:01.200 it's fine. You get used to it and you deal 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:02.880 with or you fall in love with it or whatever. 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:06.120 But now it's like like, literally anytime he smells, I'm like, dude, 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:11.920 figure this out, I know, because it's just what is 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:13.200 it about the stinky feet? 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:14.640 What does it even smell? 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:14.880 Like? 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:16.960 Can you relate it to anything? 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:19.320 It's just human intimacy, man, It's just being close to 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:21.360 somebody that you love so much that you're yeah, I 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:21.600 don't know. 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:24.679 I mean, honestly, Adler's farts when he was a baby, 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.080 I was like, these are delicious, these are this is 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:28.640 smell like India. 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:30.320 The top of India's head was like one of my 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:31.040 you know, because. 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:33.080 It's just like these weird because it's you're never that 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:36.400 close with another human and the pheromones it's your own. 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:41.440 Like I could if they lined twenty kids up, I'd 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:43.840 be able to pick out which one was Addler by 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.160 the smell of his little feet, right. 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:49.560 And you know, it's it's chemical and biological because like 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:56.560 if I was ever around another kid like this is 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:58.520 I'm going to vomit, Like I cannot be in this. 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:00.440 But my kid, I was like totally, I never have 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:04.240 a problem with any of it, Like it's totally. 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:06.559 So yeah, that would have to be online. Just Aller 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:08.880 and Keaton's stinky feet just. 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:09.840 Dipping cool water. 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:13.640 I'd like to give I'd like to give honorable mention 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:15.200 to mushrooms, onions, and. 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:17.840 Garlic cook Oh yeah, great comedy. 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:21.400 Maybe the real question should remove all food considered. 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:23.000 We're talking about food. 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:28.120 It's like just exactly, yeah, you can never do so 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:31.479 I feel like it maybe maybe an addendum should be 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:33.160 that it's only non food, so then. 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:34.680 If I have to take bread off the list, it 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:36.839 would instantly be trumped by W D. 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:45.120 Forty oh oh sawdust cut sawdust like. 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:47.200 Hey yeah, freshly cut hay is another one that. 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:48.360 I really like so much. 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:49.760 Food. I don't like that. And you know what I 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:51.839 don't like. A smell I don't like. I don't like 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.640 that smell of rain on the asphalt that some people love, 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:58.440 you know, people like disprocusting. You know what else I 0:06:58.440 --> 0:06:59.320 don't like the people like. 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:05.480 I don't know the bottom five smells Top five cars 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:06.480 like new car. 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:09.760 Smell, Get it out of here, the wave that smell. 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:11.880 Out, My god, I love new car smell. 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:13.960 Replace it with my kid's stinky feet. 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:18.400 This is stinky feet teenage boy car smell. 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:21.440 And I did know teenage. I think by teenage i'll 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:23.200 be over it. I will not like it. It's something 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:24.000 about the fact. 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:31.800 That they cool. He smells like starburst and cool water. 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:36.520 You don't haven't smelled since the nineties c K one ladies, 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:38.559 I still probably like that. 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:41.160 Girls wore that all through the nineties, and the boys 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:42.240 were all K one. 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:45.960 You car. 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:49.920 Like of all of the perfumes and colognes and stuff, 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:54.160 shaving cream barbasol shaving cream. And I don't use it 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:57.080 that much because I don't know now I should. 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:58.920 But yeah, but I love that smell. 0:07:59.000 --> 0:07:59.760 Yeah that's a good one. 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:00.560 Good Smeuth. 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:06.600 Welcome to Bobby Turr. I'm Danielle Fishel, I'm right or Strong, 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.480 and I'm Will Fordell was like, what are we supposed 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:09.640 to do. 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:11.480 The show? 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:28.800 That's in our endless attempt to recreate every season's writer's room, 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:31.280 we have been able to connect with so many men 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.839 and women who helped craft the show right at its 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:37.079 heart on every page of its script, whether they were 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:39.480 there with us from the start, joined in the Michael 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.920 exit or the Michael return, or maybe just contributed an 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:46.239 episode from outside the staff. Some of our best podcasts 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:49.440 have been with these incredible creatives, and this week is 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:52.360 no different. He joined the show in season five, just 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:55.280 barely sneaking in an episode at the end, the eventually 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:58.120 prohibited tale of teen drinking if you can't be with 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:01.720 the one you love quite and then then, after getting 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:04.600 Corey and Sean blitzed, he wrote two in season six, 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:08.360 including the recently recapped You're Married you're dead. So if 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:11.640 you were wondering which writer liked messing with Corey and Tapanga, 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:15.600 we found him. His middle initial H most likely stands 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:19.000 for heartbreak. He'd write two in the final season, sticking 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:21.400 around till the bitter end. But it was his prior 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:25.280 work experience that is even more impressive, especially probably to 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:29.840 Will Laverne and Shirley Bosom Buddies nine to five, Give 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:32.800 me a Break, a different World, come Crash, Prince of 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:35.040 bel Air, and Reba. 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.040 Oh come on, and I'm talking about any of these 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:39.480 in the day God. 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:44.240 Also, he worked with a murderer, at least according to 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:48.040 a civil suit. And so we are thrilled to welcome 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:53.319 to Pod Meets World writer and producer Gary H. Miller. Yea, 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:57.360 so good to see you. 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:01.480 It's amazing to see you guys. So on the strike 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:05.120 line and then yeah, I think it was twenty. 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:07.920 Two years party. 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:10.320 Actually no, Gary, you and I I don't know if 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:12.240 you remember I ran to you at Target. 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:16.840 You had a Target. We exchanged numbers, right, yeah, yeah, 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:17.959 we'll call each other. 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:20.640 And that never never, that. 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:24.520 Is saying that guy. But you know I would have 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:25.400 loved to listen. 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:29.000 So fun. Well we are so excited to talk to you. 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:31.640 We know that you were an integral part of seasons 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:33.640 five through seven, and we are excited to talk to 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:36.480 you about that. But this is the first interview where 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:38.880 we know, right off the bat we are nowhere near 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.439 the most fascinating actors that you have worked with, because 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:44.240 we know you worked on a show called First and 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:48.720 Ten with O. J. Simpson. Oh my goodness, can you 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:50.360 please tell us what that was like? 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:52.320 You ready to rock the stats? 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:59.439 Always you know us always always. 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:04.440 Well, Okay, God, these are such long anecdotes, and I 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:06.400 know we have limited time, and I certainly want to 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:10.760 get to the drinking episode, but let's sit back and 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:14.560 have a little drink and talk about mister Oja click 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:18.000 backstory before I even mentioned it. Uh So, I used 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:19.680 to be a school teacher in New York City. I 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:22.200 taught school for eight years and I taught in the 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:26.000 school in Queens and on my lunch hour I would jog, 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:32.000 which included going across the Laguardi Airport was right near 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:36.319 the school. And then one day I see him, O J. Simpson, 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:38.040 who was like the biggest star you know from the 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:41.280 Hurts com the America loved him and I saw him 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:43.280 going to the terminal and you know, I'm a stupid 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:47.120 person from Brooklyn Schoolowly School team tour and I said, oh, 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:49.360 Jay oja, you know, like like a ten year old, 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:52.559 and he looked at me. He gave me that OJ smile. Right. 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:56.920 I ran back to school and into the teacher's room 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.960 and I said, I just saw the juice, you know, 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:02.719 And I was so excited. Yah. Well, now cut to 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:07.880 some years later and I'm in now living out here 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.680 with my youngest daughter who was born with the impairment. 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:12.719 So we had taken it to a doctor in a 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:15.400 building in Westwood, and we were waiting at the valet 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:19.400 and there he was again, and like a ferrari pulls 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:23.480 up and right before he gets in, he looks at 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:25.920 me and says, is that your little girl? I said yeah. 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:29.160 She says, she's so pretty, She's beautiful. I said thank you. 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:31.720 I said, oh my god. Again O J. Simpson my 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:35.800 second meeting. So then segue to I take over the 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:39.000 show first and ten. It was kind of floundering, and 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:44.239 I made it more realistic. I ate a big business, steroids, 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:49.320 you know, real football stuff. I wrote O. J. Simpson 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:56.040 into the show and we became kind of close. I 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.200 used to watch Monday night football in his house. You 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:01.600 watch it. The Heisman trophy is right over. 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:03.680 There, and oh, my gosh, man. 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:07.000 And we flew We spent the weekend in Kansas City together, 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:09.440 the two of us. We went to see the Chiefs plane. 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:11.600 The Chief played the Raiders, and we flew on the 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:15.480 Raiders plane. And my god, We've got so many funny 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:18.920 stories about that. How funny funny in hindsight. Right, I'll 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:24.720 get there too. I'm talking real fash. We're in Kansas 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.480 City and you know, everybody loves the guy. And we 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:29.800 were in the marll one day and the father comes 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:32.560 over his son, and the father's crying and he says, 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:35.839 why is your boy crying? Why are you crying? Sir? 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:38.280 He says, that's my boy. His name the boys he 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:45.440 named Moji. This was America's. Yeah, we all know the story. 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:50.040 And uh on a. On the flight back, I have 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:52.600 hit the I was in the worst turbulence I had 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:55.200 ever been into my And I'm talking. I'm on the 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:58.600 plane with the Raiders, right, and they're getting their barf 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:02.120 bigs right, two hundred and sixty pounds linemen and they're 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:04.960 crossing themselves and it looks like we're going down because 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:08.040 we're dropping like ten thousand feet. And I turned to 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:09.719 look at OJ and he's just sitting there with a 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:10.320 smile of this. 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:18.200 Nothing's scary, the calm of a psychopathic. 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:19.320 Exa. 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:23.320 So here's a great you see, you got me started 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:27.920 on this, So here's a great anecdote. So when first 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:31.040 and ten they're negotiating, as you guys know about negotiations 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:34.120 with actors, the producer comes to me. He says, look, Gary, 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:36.920 we're having trouble OJ. We're not sure we can make 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.200 this deal. Can you write him out of the show? 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:42.640 I said, yes, I wrote him into the show. I 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:44.520 guess I could write him out of the show, which 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:48.800 wasn't I didn't like that idea. But then Oja comes 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:51.360 to me by himself. He says, you think you could 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:54.400 write a show like this for me, a different show? 0:14:55.000 --> 0:15:00.400 And I said, sure, so let me write gat. We'll 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:02.160 make it. We'll make it a baseball show. And I 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:05.160 went and I pitched it with him, and then we 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:07.960 get a go on the pilot. It was easy to 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:09.920 pitch over because I'm pitching and I don't even think 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:12.760 the executive she's listening to me. She's just staring at OJ. 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:15.280 And I'm thinking in my head, as you know, if 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:17.400 you pitched. But he says, I'm going, well, I got 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:20.680 to shift gears and got else and I finished, and 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.600 I think this is awful. And she says, this is 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.360 a project we must do. And so I get me 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:28.840 elevator with OJ and I said, this is the easiest thing. 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.200 I have a soul. I said, this is great. He says, 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:34.640 that's good. A little while later, I get a call 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:38.920 from his lawyer. His attorney skipped, and he says, listen 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:43.640 to OJ. Would like co writing credit on the pilot. Oh, 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.960 I said, oh really, I said, okay. I said, tell 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:50.000 him he only has to work with me about two 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:51.640 hours a day, and I'll do that. I'll do the 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:53.640 brunt of it. I'll do most of it. He is no, no, no, 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:57.720 you don't understand. He doesn't actually want to do He 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:02.840 just wants co creating credit for the pilot. I said why. 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:05.880 He said, because his mother would be very proud of 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:09.040 him if he was in the writer's guild. I said, 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:11.320 she'd be proud. He's in the Hall of Fame. Is 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:13.440 proud enough of him? 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:14.400 Is that not enough. 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:20.680 The really so skip to the attorney says, look, you 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:24.000 either agreed this, but this deal was done. It's going 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:28.360 to blow up. I said, okay, I'll agree, but you 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:33.040 tell this to Oj that I'll give him half writing 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:36.240 credit on a script that I write. If he goes 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:38.600 to the Canton Hall of Fame and tell them half 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:49.600 that yard in his mind that I killed that deal. 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:52.440 He then got a deal with NBC. They sent him 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:55.280 to New York to be an on field reporter. I got. 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:57.360 I got him a little going away gift. Was the 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:01.440 last time I had talked to him. And then one 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:05.280 day I was in Florida on vacation, playing golf, and 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:08.160 I got the call from my friend saying, do you 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:13.440 hear about Nicole Simpson? I said, I was on the 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:17.720 golf course most of the day she was found dead. 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:20.480 I said, oh no, this is before cell phones. I said, 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:23.080 I don't have OJ's number. You got you gotta listen, 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:24.840 you gotta get me OJ's number. I got to call 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:27.680 call him and he said, no, you don't understand. They 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:30.159 think he did it. And then it just got you know, 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:34.840 as surreal as it could possibly be. Wow. Some time ago, 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.960 I wrote an article for a mandatory magazine called OJ 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:40.720 and Me, which is basically what I just told you, 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:44.679 you know, in more terms. And uh, I mean I 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:49.440 was subpoenaed for the the second trial also, so I 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:51.240 wrote the article about this. What are telling you that? 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:55.040 This woman in the comment says, how dare you associate 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:58.080 with that murderer as a lady. This was before I 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:02.280 knew he was a murderer. Yeah, exactly, yea murder And 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:04.320 then anyway, there's my longer. 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:06.919 Wow, we did not expect that. 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:09.680 We were like, oh yeah, we talked on set a 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:12.040 few times, and you know, that's incredible. 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.879 And there's other stuff that I won't even go and 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:19.520 it's got nothing to do about the horrific results of 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:22.480 all that. But you know, just because when the lawyers 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:27.119 were interviewing me as a witness, they wanted to know 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:30.399 was the aggressive and all that? And I said, you 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:34.560 know what, I was wrangling real football players. It was 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:36.679 the least aggressive out of any of them. And I 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:40.879 had John Tusak, who would break anything that came close 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:44.280 to you. You know, I got it. John Tusack anecdotes too. 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:44.960 But let's. 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:48.680 Well, I want we want to talk to you about 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:50.240 some of the other shows you worked on too, because 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:53.240 you have truly written on some of TV's most iconic shows. 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:56.520 I mean your first script being Laverne and Shirley, which 0:18:56.600 --> 0:19:00.840 is quite a debut. How did that become your first gig? 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:03.520 We're going to need to make this a five part 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:08.439 so at least I told you I was a school 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:12.119 teacher in New York, hears in and not loving it, 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:16.040 not loving the job, and not loving the pay, which 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:21.000 is always low for teachers. Great, great contributors to our 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:26.000 culture that they are. But so my wife said, hey, 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:29.119 you're funny. Why don't you start writing scripts? What do 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:31.720 I know about scripts? You know? But I went to 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.760 the local library, took out a book, showed me the format, 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:38.359 and I wrote a mass script. Right, I'll make a 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:43.200 very long story shorter. I started writing spects for everything. 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:46.720 I started sending letters. Remember no, no, no enginet, no 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:49.919 way of contacting anybody. And if you guys, remember, if 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:52.880 you're old enough to remember, you can't. You can't get 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:57.280 into seeing anybody if you you know some kinds. Even 0:19:57.320 --> 0:20:01.000 if you are somebody, you can't get in. So I 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:04.760 started writing letters, and I also started hanging out the 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:08.639 improv in New York giving freak jokes to comics, and 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:10.520 they let me know what producers were coming in from 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:13.560 the West Coast. So it would be kind of like 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:16.560 I wait outside the improv and when the producers are leaving, 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:18.960 I'd run after them my script in my hand and 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:21.800 like a BA time pass and a relay race get 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:23.560 in their hands and they can't read this. You know, 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:26.320 you got to sign a waiver. And one guy, Tom Patrick, 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:28.600 he said, look, I'll send you a waives. Send me 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:31.080 a script. I did. It was a mash. That was 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:34.040 my first speck was a mash. He said, this is 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:38.640 not bad. Get yourself an agent. So now I look 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:41.879 up agent in the phone book, remember book, and I 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:44.560 send her the script. She says, this is pretty good. 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:47.639 I'm going to send it to the producer. So again 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:50.399 I'm ignorant. I don't know anything about show business. I 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:53.400 told my wife Karen, I said, I think we're going 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:54.480 to Hollywood. 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:59.240 Because sold our home. 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:03.000 And yeah, by this time we were we had moved 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:06.760 way away, out away from New York in western New Jersey. 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:09.359 Were living in the woods and the mailboxes across the 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:11.320 road and I go every day for the for the 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:15.080 letter of saying you know, come come to Hollywood. 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:17.239 Oh wait, I have to ask, do you remember what 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:19.000 your mash was about? Do you remember the spec? 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:23.240 The title was called Mistress Fever. Okay, it was about 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:27.560 Frank's wife was coming for a visit and whether it's 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:29.439 you know, and they didn't know what to do with 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:34.639 what was the miss uh? What was? Yeah? And so 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:37.760