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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: You started out as a third generation pastor, and then

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Speaker 2: something happened. You had a moment that sort of awakened

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Speaker 2: you to a greater consciousness. So can you bring us

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Speaker 2: into what that was and give us up the speed here?

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll try to encapsulate it as briefly as I can.

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Speaker 3: I woke up out of religion at around twenty three

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Speaker 3: years old after taking my first full time pastoral career position,

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Speaker 3: and just started to realize I didn't believe in the

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Speaker 3: version of God that my church was teaching, and that

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Speaker 3: caused a long series of questions for a few years

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Speaker 3: of what do I believe about God? And so I

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Speaker 3: naturally went to the Eastern philosophies Hinduism, Taoism, Buddhism and

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Speaker 3: gained a lot of helpful answers there. But it wasn't

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Speaker 3: until I was twenty eight and I was actually working

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Speaker 3: as a full time personal trainer at Google in Mountain View,

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Speaker 3: and I had I was going through a really heavy

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Speaker 3: peer of depression because I had left my religion, which

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Speaker 3: can be very upending.

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Speaker 2: As you can imagine, I would imagine with your family

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Speaker 2: being very involved in that that wasn't a really great

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Speaker 2: place for you to be. Yeah, super tough because I

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Speaker 2: didn't literally didn't know anybody that wasn't Christian. And so

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Speaker 2: you know what happens when you leave, you know, I

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Speaker 2: don't want to say the cult, but that's kind of

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Speaker 2: what it's like in a sense, is that everybody ostracizes you.

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Speaker 2: You're the new heretic, you know, and you're going to

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Speaker 2: lose all your friends, all your family. And I had

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Speaker 2: to deal with that fear for like three or four

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Speaker 2: years before I could work up the courage to just

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Speaker 2: make the leap.

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Speaker 4: And I was right.

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Speaker 3: Everyone that I knew in my life basically abandoned me

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Speaker 3: as a heretic, and I had to start my life over.

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Speaker 4: And so that led to this period of depression.

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Speaker 3: When I was in my late mid late twenties and

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Speaker 3: I was on the balcony of my gym at Google

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Speaker 3: for my lunch break, and I was listening to a

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Speaker 3: lecture from etkart Tole.

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Speaker 2: Are you familiar with him? I am very much so. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I've listened to quite a few of at art Tole's.

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Speaker 3: Books phenomenal, and he was my gateway into nonuality.

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Speaker 4: Am I still here? Get sure about that? Go ahead,

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Speaker 4: that's right.

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Speaker 3: So he was my gateway into enlighten him at teachings

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Speaker 3: and those kinds of things. And I just had this

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Speaker 3: really remarkable experience where Eckhart was sort of making fun

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Speaker 3: of things that our ego says to us, the stories

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Speaker 3: in our head. If only people would recognize how special

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Speaker 3: I am, then I could truly be happy and those

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Speaker 3: kind of things.

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Speaker 4: Laugh I wanted to.

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Speaker 2: I wonder too, if things like social media feed that beast,

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Speaker 2: especially you being in you know, working with Google in

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Speaker 2: Silicon Valley, if you really sought in hyperdrive.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you better believe it. Man, We're we're in

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Speaker 4: that era right now for sure.

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Speaker 3: But I was laughing at what Eckhart was saying about

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Speaker 3: our ego because I was recognizing, Yeah, that's totally what

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Speaker 3: my ego says to me too, Like I guess we

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Speaker 3: all have the same voice in our head, you know.

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Speaker 4: And that's when it.

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Speaker 3: Struck me where sometimes laughing can be a really powerful

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Speaker 3: laughed myself into this kind of Buddha state of consciousness

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Speaker 3: where I realized, Yeah, the voice in the head is

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Speaker 3: not real. All that is real is reality itself, and

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Speaker 3: reality is good. Reality is one. We're all connected to it,

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Speaker 3: we all are it. And it was just such an

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Speaker 3: incredibly blissful realization that I spent two weeks in that

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Speaker 3: state where I could not suffer, I could not remember

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Speaker 4: Not unsee the oneness all around me.

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Speaker 3: And that's what sort of kicked off my journey as

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Speaker 3: unraveled and I went back into ego consciousness, I started realizing, Wow,

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Speaker 3: the whole purpose of a human lifetime is to transcend

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Speaker 2: So I'm sure I almost feel people listening, almost screaming

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Speaker 2: at me to ask you this question. So let me

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Speaker 2: back it up just a little bit here. Why can't

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Speaker 2: both things be true? Why can't Christianity be true and

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Speaker 2: there be a wider reality as well?

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Speaker 4: It absolutely can.

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Speaker 3: It's just that I think the very limited depiction of

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Speaker 3: it commits way too many essentially philosophical fallacies, such as

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Speaker 3: an omnipotent god needs a blood sacrifice to forgive sins. Well,

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Speaker 3: an omnipotent god can't need anything or require anything of humans,

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Speaker 3: so it has to be something other than that.

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Speaker 4: So it is true in a sense you can have both,

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Speaker 4: but not altogether.

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Speaker 2: You know, it makes me wonder and I know people

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Speaker 2: are going to have questions for you, and my job

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Speaker 2: here is to just give you a platform to share

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Speaker 2: your story and keep on asking questions. So if people

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Speaker 2: believe differently than you, you're welcome to call in and

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Speaker 2: ask questions. I guess I sort of wonder a little

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Speaker 2: bit about this aliens, UFOs, other lives from other planets.

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Speaker 2: I wonder why the Bible doesn't really talk about that.

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Speaker 2: There are some people that say, yeah, well Bibles, and

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Speaker 2: you know, are the Bible mentions UFOs all the time.

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Speaker 2: I talked about wheels with wheels and a spiral array

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Speaker 2: and all that stuff. Yes, but it doesn't necessarily say

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Speaker 2: I am the God of Earth and also you know

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Speaker 2: planet Xenu over here too, I run that too. It

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Speaker 2: doesn't really get into specifics about that. And as a

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Speaker 2: as a pastor or a former evangelist that believes in that,

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Speaker 2: you how do you get that in your head, how

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Speaker 2: do you work around that or work into it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a great question. That was one of the

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Speaker 4: things that I think I woke up.

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Speaker 3: To at about eighteen years old reading the Bible, was

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Speaker 3: I just couldn't get around the obvious fact that the

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Speaker 3: depiction of God, and especially the Hebrew Bible, the Old Testament,

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Speaker 3: is so obviously a human projection. And the Bible almost

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Speaker 3: becomes this unfolding narrative of mankind's evolution of consciousness and

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Speaker 3: understanding God, because in the beginning, it's you know, the pentituke,

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Speaker 3: it's all about following the laws, blood sacrifices, appeasing the

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Speaker 2: And then Thephets all the Testament's way different than the

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Speaker 4: Different books man.

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Speaker 3: And then the Prophets come along, right and they start

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Speaker 3: the Bible front to back, you kind of go, wait

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Speaker 3: a minute, wasn't Leviticus and Exodus commanding all these things?

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Speaker 3: And now the prophets are saying that God never commanded

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Speaker 4: That doesn't really make sense.

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Speaker 3: And then it all culminates to me in the person

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Speaker 3: is truly like, which is omni benevolence, all loving. His

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Speaker 3: law is one law, the law of one love, God,

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Speaker 3: love neighbor, because we're all one. That's a simple philosophy

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Speaker 3: ontological view of God that commits no fallacies, and that's

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Speaker 3: the important part.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting to me. It seems like as a no

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Speaker 2: I grew up Catholic, so we really didn't read the Bible.

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Speaker 2: We just read the whole Catholics still think that's hilarious. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: But as an adult I read the Bible a few

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Speaker 2: can tell is, like the Old Testament lets you know

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Speaker 2: that you really need the New Testament. So stop if

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Speaker 2: but all the bad stuff that happened in the Old

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Speaker 3: Right, And the important part there is that the God

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Speaker 3: revealed in Jesus cannot possibly be the Old Testament Yahweh,

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Speaker 3: who commands genocide in war and all these atrocities. When

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Speaker 3: Jesus commanded the opposite, turn the other cheek, love your enemy,

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Speaker 3: that needs to be reconciled. And so I decided at

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Speaker 3: twenty four, I'm going to go with the God revealed

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Speaker 6: And I know you're going to want some them after

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Speaker 6: hearing this. This is an amazing story.

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Speaker 5: We've got Stephen and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand.

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Speaker 6: Stand that Malachi, who's eight almost nine years old now,

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Speaker 6: was suffering with not just one or two warts, but

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Speaker 6: I mean a significant outbreak of warts all over his body,

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Speaker 6: so significant it impacted his ability to really function.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil

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Speaker 5: to right. It was Tye's book actually that got me

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Speaker 5: thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. It is an amazing immunal modulator, and

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Speaker 1: so I can see that it would work.

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Speaker 6: And so at what point did you see that there

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Speaker 6: was actually improvement, It's really going to work.

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Speaker 1: Well, we really started to notice it.

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Speaker 5: Around twelve weeks you can see these things actually getting

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Speaker 5: talking about what's you know one the size of the wanner.

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Speaker 5: I thought, no way, that's gonna wow. It's just been

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Speaker 5: miraculous to see him get into a pair of shoes.

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Speaker 6: Yes, how wonderful.

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Speaker 5: It's great to see him so happy.

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Speaker 6: And yeah, absolutely wonderful.

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Speaker 5: Friends that have seen it, that is blown away, Ty,

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Speaker 5: this is awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is awesome.

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Speaker 2: Well isn't that a little bit of the dispensation part

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Speaker 2: of the Bible though too? That you know, back then

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Speaker 2: our old Testament, it was a different time. The different

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Speaker 2: and all the all the all the healings of the

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Speaker 2: New Testament. No, are back in the Old Testament that

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Speaker 2: was we were such an unruly people, we had to

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Speaker 2: have a wrathful God.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what Christian apologists would say. But the problem with.

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Speaker 3: That is it still commits fallacies against God's nature, such

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Speaker 3: as any good Christian will tell you God is omniscient, omnipotent,

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Speaker 3: and omnipresent. They're typically called the omni traits. And so

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Speaker 3: you can't have a God that changes its mind, that

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Speaker 3: doesn't have foreknowledge, that gets jealous, because these things violate

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Speaker 3: omnipotence or omnissions rather, and so the only consistent view

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Speaker 3: of God is a God that doesn't change and doesn't

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Speaker 3: need anything from humans to do anything. And that lines

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Speaker 3: Jesus who condemned animal sacrifice and cleanse the temple and says,

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Speaker 3: go and learn what this means, priests. I desire mercy,

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Speaker 2: Okay, so now the book is all about the ego.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about that for a second. Where do you

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Speaker 2: want to start there? And then we'll go from there.

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Speaker 2: So tell me where to stay, because I think this

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Speaker 2: And somehow you've started breaking that down. So maybe we

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's a good place for us to start.

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Speaker 3: Definitely, Yeah, And I think this ties in really well

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Speaker 2: Well, that's that's interesting because I mean, I'm sure you've

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Speaker 3: It definitely could be just a bunch of redacted dots

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Speaker 3: Of course, it's excellent, Okay, yeah, it's phenomenal, And it's

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Speaker 2: It's almost like on my my level, you know, as

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Speaker 3: So, the way I define the ego, which is, like

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Speaker 3: And so the way that I boil it down is

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Speaker 3: In that the first belief in lack is the first

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Speaker 2: A version of manifesting for yourself. Or is that on

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Speaker 2: a lower level than manifesting.

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Speaker 3: It's definitely on a lower level than manifesting, but it's

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Speaker 3: kind of the egos version of manifesting to do everything

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Speaker 3: by personal control rather than typical law of attraction teachings

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Speaker 3: teach the opposite right, it's surrender to the universe. Allow

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Speaker 3: the universe to bring things to you rather than you

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