1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Ron and Anian not a fan of all short tires, 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: you know, pilandum and all the other strange places tire 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: seemed to be coming from. Now, you know, I don't 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: see great where great durability. You know they are what 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: they are, the chief tires, and say, yeah, I want 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: to be in the jackdown. That's great, get all with fire, 7 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: that car Doctor. I didn't write anything down, but I 8 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: don't have to because I can just looten to your 9 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: podcast here in a couple of hours and I'll write 10 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: everything down there. And you know I should point out 11 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: that's the beauty of coming on there. You know. Once, 12 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: once this broadcast radio show becomes a podcast, then it's 13 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: a library. Welcome to the radio home of Ron and Anian, 14 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor. Since nineteen ninety one, this is where 15 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: car owners the world overturned to for their definitive opinion 16 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, 17 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: pick up the phone and call in the garage to order. 18 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: Are open, but I am here to take your calls 19 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: at eight five five and now running well, well, well, 20 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: I want to talk about cooks and chefs. Um, it's 21 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: just where I want to go, you know, I like cooking. 22 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: I think cooking is a very important part of life. 23 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: I like to eat, and I think there's cooks in 24 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: the world, and I think there's chefs in the world. 25 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: And I think that's the way it is with auto 26 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: mechanics too. I think there are some cooks out there. 27 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: I think there are some chefs out there. I'm not 28 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: really a chef when it comes to the kitchen. I 29 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: kind of follow the recipe book, and you know, it 30 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,559 Speaker 1: sort of behooves me to you know, if it says 31 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: a pinch of salt, I hate to put in more 32 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: than a pinch. It just bothers me. It goes against 33 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: the grain, so to speak, no pun intended. But when 34 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: I'm in the shop, I think that's the time you 35 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: have to throw the book away. Sometimes there's places where 36 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: you have to follow a procedure. You know, you've got 37 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: to go through steps one through ten on a diagnos 38 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: and you can't skip the four and then seven and 39 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: then nine and expect to complete it correctly or accurately 40 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: or fairly or on time. But I think that there 41 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: is a clear difference between mechanics that summer cooks and 42 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: summer chefs. The chefs know what to do. The chefs 43 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: know what sort of let us and tomatoes to put 44 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: into the car to make it run right. The cooks 45 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: don't care. The cooks are just doing what the bus 46 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: told them to do, which, okay, I get it. They're 47 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: the boss. They're just following what the bus says to 48 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: keep their job because they haven't found a better one yet. 49 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: But you know, there's a time and a place. I 50 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: see too many examples as time goes by of too 51 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: many cooks in the business. We need more chefs. We 52 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: need more guys that can think on their feet, or 53 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: girls they can think on their feet and you know, 54 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: be proactive and approach it as a problem. Problems solve 55 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: outside the box. I just think it's too important. You know, 56 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 1: we're dealing with something that's just too important and too 57 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: big a piece of our life. I think about the 58 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: times people bring me cars that you know they've been 59 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: in another shop and it's it's clearly got a problem 60 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: with it, and you can see that they did something wrong. 61 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: They followed procedure, they didn't. They didn't really care how 62 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: the meal came out. They were just you know, put 63 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: the axcelent. It doesn't matter. Put the accelent and ship it, 64 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: get rid of it, get it out the door. And 65 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: that's the fault. You know, when you walk into a 66 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: repair shop, if you're in, if you're really approaching it correctly, 67 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: you realize you're paying not just for the labor of 68 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: the mechanic to do the job, but you're paying for 69 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: that mechanics expertise. You're paying for them knowing what led 70 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: us in tomatoes to put in the car, and you're 71 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: you're not going to question it because it's important, and 72 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: it happens. Listen, it happens to us. We've had people 73 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: I had I've had people in the last month question 74 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: why I'm using a certain brand of part and why 75 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: aren't I using In this case, it was why aren't 76 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: I using a dealer part? Well, the dealer part was 77 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: the same part I was using. It was just by 78 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: the actual manufacturer. And I have a better warranty from 79 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: the actual manufacturer than I do from the dealer part. 80 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: So why wouldn't I buy you the better warranty because 81 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 1: that's what you're you know, that's what you're paying me for. 82 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: You're paying me because I know what led us and 83 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: tomatoes to put in the salad. See in the shop, 84 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: I think I'm a chef. In the kitchen, I'm just 85 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: cooking so and there's a huge difference between that. So 86 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: when you're picking a mechanic or you're talking to your mechanic, 87 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: you gotta start asking yourself, what kind of a cooker 88 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: a chef is this person? Do I trust them? You know, 89 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: I've actually had people tell me, well, you know, I'm 90 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: not sure if I trust you, but I'll give you 91 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: a try. Gee, thanks for the honor. I'm so thrilled. 92 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: You know, I realized trust is earned, not expected, and 93 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: not just given. But people should have a funny way 94 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: of a coaching it and showing it sometimes. So just 95 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: cooks and chefs, I just you know, you're paying for 96 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: their expertise. Do you really understand that? I just wanted 97 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: you to think about that. As we move forward today, 98 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: let's get over to Dan in Connecticut. As we kick 99 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: open the garage doors this hour nineteen jeep, compass and 100 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: a battery going Dad, Dan, Welcome to the car, doctor, sir, 101 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: how can I help? Hey, Ron, it's my daughter's car. Okay. 102 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: We jumped at a couple of times. Took the jump. 103 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: I was wondering if if then a job I can 104 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: do myself. You know, it's got the two batteries start 105 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: stop one two, right, which which battery? Which battery is 106 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: actually going going dead? Dan the Well, I jumped the primary, okay, 107 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: and it took it took the jump. Um, no, I 108 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: don't know if I have to put a memory saver 109 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: or something in that, or if I should pay somebody 110 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: to do that. Well, well, I'm a little confused. Is 111 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: it that you want to replace the battery or you 112 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: want to diagnose the problem? Yeah, well good question. I 113 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: was going to try to replace the battery. Well, but 114 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: how do you know you know, how do you know 115 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: the batteries bad? Yeah? Well, I know, right, and check 116 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: that check that you know, this is a nineteen it's 117 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: it's three going on four years old, depending upon when 118 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: she bought it. And listen, it could be a bad battery, 119 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: but that's likely an AGM battery, an absolute glass matt 120 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: and they tend to last, you know, four going on 121 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: five years, five years typically maybe a little longer. Um. 122 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: You know, they they're they're a better breed of battery. 123 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: So you know, before we just start randomly replacing it, 124 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: do this if you want a little knowledge, a little education. 125 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: Go out to auto batteries dot com. Auto batteries dot 126 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: com is a great website talking about batteries and how 127 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: they're made, how they're constructed, how to test them, how 128 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: to replace them. There's a battery replacement guide there. So 129 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: if you're thinking of replacing the battery in this car 130 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: before you even go down to your local autoparts store, 131 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: all right, you know, let's let's let's start there and 132 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: get some knowledge. Knowledge is always a good thing, right, 133 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: we like knowledge. You always win with knowledge. You know, 134 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: it's unemotional. So get out to auto batteries dot com. 135 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 1: That's number one. Number two. You know, does this have 136 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: a drain? You know, is is she the original owner 137 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: on the vehicle or you or you know as he 138 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: is the original owners the in the family? No, somebody 139 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: had it. Yeah, okay, so she's had it a while though, correct, Yeah, 140 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: all right, so you know the question becomes then you know, 141 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: is there a drain on? It? Is something being left on? 142 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: And you know, I wouldn't take her word for it. Listen, 143 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: if you brought it to the shop, I wouldn't take 144 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: your word for it either. I'd go through the car 145 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: and it's a. It's a simple enough test. We're gonna 146 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: put a digital volt domemeter on it. What do you 147 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: do for a living? Then? Before I go off on this, Okay, 148 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: so you got you got some technical skills? Right? Yeah? 149 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: Do you do you use meters? Digital voltomemeter? Do you ever? 150 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: Do you ever come across them in your work? One? Here? Though? 151 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: Can you measure milk? Can you measure Ambridge and Milliamtraw? 152 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how to do that? But if your 153 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: meter has Milliam, so well listen you can you know? Again, 154 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: you might see it at auto Batteries dot com, but 155 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: you can also get out to I'm sure there's more 156 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: than a few YouTube videos. I should probably write that 157 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: down and maybe do it. Maybe do it. I think 158 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: I do have a on my YouTube channel. I might 159 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: have a milliamtra. I should add that to the library. 160 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: I'll write that down. So research Kathy. If you're listening, 161 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: Kathy will remind me. I want to do a video 162 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: on Milliamtraw. Seeing that's why I have research Kathy. She's 163 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: the she's the real guts of the show. Um Um, 164 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: you want to do a milliamtra? All right? And what 165 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna do is you know, think about a water hose, right, 166 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: you got a garden hose on the side of your house. Yep, 167 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: all right, is the water off right now? Yeah, on 168 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: the back side of that water faucet, is there water 169 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: pressure should be there? Yeah, yeah, of course there is, right, 170 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: whatever city water pressure is all right, A city water 171 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 1: pressure's fifty pounds. There's fifty pounds of water pressure there 172 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: in a car at a battery if there's nothing on. 173 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: Does the battery have voltage? Sure? Does? I didn't check it. 174 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: You know, well, the battery has voltage, right, if the 175 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: battery is good. Let's talk about a good car. If 176 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: a battery is good, it's got voltage. Just like you 177 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: always have water pressure, you always have battery voltage. If 178 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: you took your meter and put it across a battery, 179 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: it should read twelve and a half vaults correct, Yeah, okay, yeah, 180 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: I actually did check that. Yeah, well it's twelve right, 181 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: So it ran all right, right, So it shows the 182 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: charging systems working. My point is water pressure and battery voltage. 183 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: Water pressure and voltage are the same thing in the 184 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: sense in what we're trying to explain here. Pressure is 185 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: always there, Voltage is always there. All right the time. 186 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: If you open that water faucet and you allow a 187 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: gallon of water out an hour, okay, that's flow. Right, 188 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: You're depleting the amount of water that are in the 189 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: pipes in the system. Correct. If you turn the headlights on. 190 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: Out of the battery, you don't flow voltage, You flow current. 191 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,719 Speaker 1: You flow volume. You flow volume of electricity, just like 192 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: that water hose flows volume of water. You're with me, Yes, 193 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: So you want to measure ambridge, draw ambridge and current, right, 194 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: but you want to measure it at a very small level. 195 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: You want to see if your meter will read in milliamps, 196 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: and you want to do a setup. Okay, You're going 197 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: to disconnect the negative battery cable, put your meter in 198 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: milliamp mode. All right, Take the keys, Take the keys 199 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: out of the car, close the doors. I usually leave 200 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: a window, open, driver's window open, close the doors. Put 201 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: the meter. You're gonna put the meter in series with 202 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: the negative battery cable. All right. So one cable is 203 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: going to go of your digital vultometer is going to 204 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: go to the negative battery post. The other one is 205 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: going to go to the negative battery cable. The meter 206 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: is now between the cable and the battery. You're with me. 207 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: So if for example, you turned on the parking lights, 208 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: and I would only turn on the parking lights and 209 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 1: nothing more, because you could blow the fuse in the meter, 210 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: and then you get to buy a fuse, which is 211 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: always a thrill, all right, just to see if you 212 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: have a good connection. But I would wait because you're 213 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: gonna see a milliamp reading. You want to make sure 214 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: you're connected to milliams and you're on the milliams scale. 215 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: You're gonna see a milliamp reading and it's gonna start high. 216 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: It's probably gonna start fifteen hundred milliams, two thousand milliams, 217 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: and then you're gonna see it come down. What you're 218 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: watching is you're watching the draw of all the computers 219 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: and modules that are still awake as they bleed down 220 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: the current as the water runs out of the hose. Right, 221 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: you're looking at the volume of electricity as it flows 222 00:11:55,800 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: through the meter out to the vehicle over time up 223 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: to forty five minutes, in some cases an hour and 224 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: a half. That meter, if the vehicle is okay, will 225 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: eventually drop to under fifty milliams. Fifty milliams is the 226 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 1: accepted industry tolerance on that particular vehicle as okay, and 227 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: you'll you'll you'll you'll see it. If you don't. If 228 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: you want to try it, try it on a car, 229 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: try it on a known good car, all right, a 230 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: car that doesn't have a draw. I always like to 231 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:29,719 Speaker 1: do things on known good before I try it on 232 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: unsuspected bed. Okay, if that If that meter stays over 233 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: fifty milliams over an hour and a half, two hours, 234 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: you've got to draw somewhere. Now, A couple of things. 235 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: If your digital voltometer is like most of them, it's 236 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: going to fall asleep after twenty minutes. Kind of makes 237 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: doing the test difficult. Right. You have to put the 238 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: meter in min max hold min max hold mode, all right, 239 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: and it will record. It'll record the highs and the lows, 240 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 1: and it don't turn off. Last thing, and then I 241 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,839 Speaker 1: last thing, and then I gotta go close. Close the hood. 242 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: Make sure you you know, run the wires out from 243 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: under the hood. Position the cable so it doesn't touch anything. 244 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: Run the wires out under the hood, the meter out 245 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: under the hood, close the hood. Because if the hood 246 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: has a button for an alarm system or a hood 247 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: of jar switch. That'll be a continuous draw in the 248 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: meter will never go to under fifty milliams, all right, 249 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: if it passes. If it passes the fifty milliam draw test, 250 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 1: then get the battery load tested after it's been charging. 251 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: You're probably gonna find that you've got a bad battery. 252 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: But that's how you do a draw test. Okay, thank you, 253 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: all right, ket A, good luck to you. Let me 254 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: know if you need more. I'll be here for you. 255 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: You're welcome. Be well. I'm running any in the car doctor, 256 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: I'll be back right after this. Need advice on how 257 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: to main taking that classic gto Ron is the guy 258 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: eight five five five six zero nine nine zero zero. 259 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: Here's Ron. Hey, let's go get a cheese steak in 260 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: Philadelphia and talk to our buddy Brian. Brian, welcome back 261 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: to the car doctor, Sir. What's going on today? Hey? Ron? 262 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: How you doing good? What's cooking? I got a question. 263 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: This is actually on behalf of my father. My father's 264 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: he drives Hunday Sonatas usually every couple of years gets 265 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: a new one and he puts like twenty five thousand 266 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: miles a year on it. So when he usually hits 267 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: around a hundred, he gets another one. Now. The last 268 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: two I think they were A seventeen and a thirteen 269 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: used oil, which I heard is pretty common among Hunday sonatas. 270 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: My question is this, he actually now has an Olntra 271 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: A twenty twenty three at launch. He hasn't had the 272 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: problem when a car uses oil. If it's not burning 273 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: oil or leaking oil, where is it going. Well, it's 274 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: it's actually burning it. If it's not leaking it, it's 275 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: burning it. You just won't see it because when the 276 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: oil leaves the engine, what does it have to pass 277 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: through to get out the exhaust pipe? Catalytic converter. Yeah. Right, 278 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: so there's no blue smoke because the catalytic converter oxidizes 279 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: it down. But what you what you are doing is 280 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: you are coding the catalytic converter with with with that 281 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: oily material. It gets baked on in the form of carbon, 282 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: and you're lowering the efficiency level of the cat. So 283 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: let's let's back up. Hundays have had a problem at 284 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: least the last ten years with oil consumption and oil 285 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: oil burning issues. All right, Um, you can start to 286 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: read some of the bulletins. You can't swing a bullet. 287 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a bolting. 288 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: That talks about Unday's burning oil. Um. You know. Um. 289 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: One of the more recent ones I was reading recently 290 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: was twenty one EM double three h March of twenty 291 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: one that talks about the procedure where they want you 292 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: to pour a cleaning fluid down inside the cylinders and 293 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: allow it to soak overnight and then remove the fluid, 294 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: start the car and blah blah blah. And it's a 295 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: whole long, you know, thirty pages long whatever it is 296 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: talking about carbon issues and sticking oil rings. Now, first 297 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: of all, a little commentary, because I'm allowed to have 298 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: an opinion. I'm still an American citizen as far as 299 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: I can tell. I can't understand why we let cars 300 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: that do this run on the roads, because they're sort 301 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: of defeating the purpose of what we're trying to clean 302 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: up the ear in the environment. It kind of boggles 303 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: my mind. So in a way, we've put everybody into 304 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: the market of let's buy cheap cars that don't really 305 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: work well, but we'll continue to drive them because there's 306 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: nothing else to drive. It's sort of a I don't understand. 307 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: I really don't. I think, you know, if a car 308 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: is being proved as an oil burner, it should be 309 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: pulled from the road. It should be corrected and then 310 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: allowed to drive and operate. It would sort of make 311 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: the standards or the you know, the level of how 312 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: we have to pay for it easier, if you know 313 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But yeah, but also it passes the 314 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania as enhanced. The mission always passes, right because as 315 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: you the consumer in a shorter period of time, depending 316 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: on how long you hang on to it, we'll have 317 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: to buy a catalytic converter for it, because eventually that's 318 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: what you end up ruining. And that he never did. 319 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 1: He actually got rid of it before it happened, right well, 320 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: he gets when he hits two hundred thousand and you 321 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: have to put on the new plugs and stuff. Usually 322 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: he either puts it on, you know, keeps it for 323 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: another twenty five thousand. This time he wanted a launcher. 324 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: He's eighty seven. It's very active, he will he wanted 325 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: a little bit smaller. The launcher, I know is a 326 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: different engine. And so far this has been entirely different 327 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: ball game, yep, or as not using oil hun days 328 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: in the last ten years have just had engine problems, 329 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: it seems across the board, and they blame it on 330 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: everything from the way the engine was assembled back in 331 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: the day, connecting rod bearings to piston ring issues, sticking 332 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: in the piston grooves or you know, it's just it's incredible. 333 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: I don't understand how the company's still a float to 334 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: day the truth, Brian, because I got to think trying 335 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: to make all these engine repair has got to have 336 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: really put a strain on their resources. But that's the picture. 337 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: That's what's going on there with Hunday. I often think 338 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: of the acronym and it makes me laugh. Hope you 339 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: understand nothing's drivable and an expensive what hunday stands for. 340 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 1: So as always, brother, I appreciate the call, and good luck. 341 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: I hope your dad enjoys this car. I'm on an 342 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: any in the Car Doctor. I'll be back right after this. 343 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: Don't go away, welcome back. You know we've been talking 344 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: about technology this weekend here on the Car Doctor and 345 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: how much technology have we thrown away? And good old research. 346 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: Kathy comes up with an article nine old tools nobody 347 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: uses anymore, which you know, it kind of fits right in. 348 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about this. Let's see how many 349 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,239 Speaker 1: of these do you still have or use? I bet 350 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: you Tom's got a couple of these. A spark plug 351 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: gap tool. Yeah, I gotta admit I've got more than 352 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: a few spark plug gappers. I mean, you know, as 353 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: simple as they are, but you know it's it's you 354 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: don't use them because all the plugs today come pre gap. Tom, 355 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 1: you ever gap sparkle? I use it on my lawn more, 356 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: do you? Well? Okay, a lawnmower, I could see it, 357 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: but you know you can because it's probably a copper 358 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: tipped spark plug. You know, nothing fancy. A modern cars, 359 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: it's it's nothing fancy, and it never comes out of 360 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: the box gapped right right. But a modern car it's 361 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: a ridium or platinum, and it's always got a fine 362 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: drop of precious metal at one end or the other 363 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: or the electrode, the center electrode is a real fine point. 364 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: And you really can't gap them using conventional gapping tools. 365 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: You have to be ever so careful. So I you 366 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: know you keep it. I mean, it takes up no space, 367 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: but when was the last time you used it? A 368 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: dwell meter A dwell meter was the thing. It was 369 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: the electronic measurement. When you didn't have the book of 370 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: matches to set the point gap on a distributor car, 371 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: you use a dwell meter. A dwell meter was the 372 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: electronic measurement of that until you got into here I 373 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: am talking about it, until you got into nineteen eighty 374 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: one when General Motors came out with computer computer command 375 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: control carburetors with mixture dwell solenoids, and you went to 376 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 1: the green connector under the hood and you hooked your 377 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: dwell meter up there and you measured duty cycle or 378 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 1: mixture dwell and adjusted your top of your carburetor. So 379 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: how many of you have dwell meters? If you're driving 380 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: an older car, you absolutely need it. I often think 381 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: of you know, we start to talk about and then 382 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: it goes on and it talks about distributor wrenches. I 383 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: have a draw of distributor wrenches that you know, I 384 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: can't tell you I've got every distributor wrench snap on 385 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: tools ever sold, And I mean there's probably a thousand 386 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 1: dollars worth of distributor wrenches. You just don't use them anymore. 387 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: What do you do with them? You know? Do you 388 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: throw them out? Do you cut them up? Do you? 389 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: I mean a couple of them have been cannibalized. We've 390 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: gotten into weird situations on certain cars we use. We 391 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: actually use distributor wrenches in the shop for that weird place. 392 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: We've got a ten millimeter and we need to come 393 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: at it with a right angle that we can't get 394 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: at it with a crow's foot or another wrench. And 395 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: we don't want to cut up the you know, the 396 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: the fifty dollars snap on wrench, or we don't have 397 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,959 Speaker 1: time to run to the store and buy the cheapie. 398 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: So we'll take a distributor wrench and slice it and 399 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: cut it and weld it and make it into the 400 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: wrench the way we want. We'll make a wrench. And 401 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,239 Speaker 1: that's what distributor wrenches are good for. But you know, 402 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: unless you own the car that it fits, you're never 403 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 1: going to use them anymore. You know, you toss it, 404 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: you you just don't want to keep it. It doesn't matter. 405 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 1: OBD two diagnostics. We know what OBD two is, right. 406 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: OBD two is the computer interface used on vehicles starting 407 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: in Mali year nineteen ninety six some early ninety five 408 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: or late ninety five. But you know that was the interface, 409 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: that's where the connector under the dash was universal. It 410 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: was in one location. Think about how long ago it 411 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 1: was nineteen ninety six, it's coming up on it's twenty 412 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: seven years. It's coming up on thirty years that OBD 413 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: two has been out there. So do you still have 414 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: your scan tool for pre ob D two, your monitor 415 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: four thousand, your snap on brick or whatever and else 416 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: you were using at the time, are going to use 417 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: and do you keep that? Do you want that? Do 418 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: you need it? You know, technology were just throwing her 419 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: away pre OBD two diagnostic scan tools. I just don't 420 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: see it, you know. And then the list goes on. 421 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: It talks about large engine analyzers. Boy, I could I 422 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: could stop and talk about this for twenty minutes back 423 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: in the day, and I'm talking to all my shop 424 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 1: owners out there, and all my technicians have been doing 425 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: this for a long time. You remember the Remember there 426 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 1: was the Sun engine analyzer that was the big thing. 427 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: If you walked into a repair shop in the late 428 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: seventies or the eighties, there was that big engine analyzer 429 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: that sat in the corner and had a scope in 430 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: the middle and had all the meters attached to it. 431 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: Sometimes it was on an overhead boom, an overhead crane 432 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: that that you know, floated around the shop. And at 433 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: the time, in nineteen seventy nine nineteen eighty dollars, that 434 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: engine analyzer was fifty grand, which was a boatload of money, right, 435 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: fifty grand in nineteen eighty that was a boatload of money. 436 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: And it seemed like a lot of shops had them, 437 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: and within ten years they were gone. They were junk. 438 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: You didn't need them anymore. Nineteen nineteen eighty seven, General 439 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: Motors came out with Distributorist Ignition. They started selling adapters 440 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: for these scopes and scanned and types of scanning devices, 441 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: and by the early nineties all these things were over. 442 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: It was it was just obsolete technology and we just 443 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 1: junked them all. The article talks about how many of 444 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: them are still out there, and they're not. I actually 445 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: did a search. You can buy a Sun engine analyzer 446 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: on e Bay right now, if I'm reading it right, 447 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 1: there's one up there listed thirty bucks. You just have 448 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: to go pick it up. It's it's in Tacoma, Washington, 449 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: I think it was, which would kind of need to 450 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: have kicking around the garage this as a conversation piece 451 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 1: to look at it and go wow, and the thing 452 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: still lights up, it still works. But you know it's 453 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: it's not even one hundred dollars. Now. I think I 454 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: just wants to get rid of you, as wife's yelling 455 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 1: at him. But you know, it's technology has just absorbed 456 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: so much. Alan Sea remember alan Sea smart engine analyzers. 457 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: They were snacked in New Jersey. We had a missions 458 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: machine for state inspection, the black machine with the silver 459 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: trim and the and the fancy Allen blue red yellow 460 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: letters across the top. And then there was there was 461 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: the Allen EPA Missions analyzer, and then there was the 462 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 1: Allen Sea Engine analyzer. And there were these two big 463 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 1: long vertical boxes about oh, thirty to thirty six inches long, 464 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 1: and oh they were easily fourteen to eighteen inches tall, 465 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: and big rectangular boxes. Again big money. Allen Sea's that 466 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: company's gone out of business. They existed for the better 467 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,479 Speaker 1: part of, oh, I don't know, twenty years, and then 468 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: it was over. It was like they had this short 469 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: shelf life. Distributor machines is another one in this article 470 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: about tools that nobody seems to have anymore. I used 471 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: to have a distributor machine. To tell you the truth, 472 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: I wish I still had my distributor machine. I wish 473 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: I could find another one, because every once in a 474 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: while you get an older car that you want to 475 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: do a curve on to look at timing and make 476 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: some modifications and trim the weights and other things, and 477 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: nobody has a distributor machine anymore. The automobile industry has 478 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: to be one of the most expensive in terms of 479 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: what you have to invest to repair the car for 480 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: that moment. Now. In the past, in the eighties, you 481 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: could buy that fifty thousand dollars analyzer and reasonable updates 482 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: and care and caution. That tool was good for ten 483 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: to twelve years. That tool lasted a while, but that 484 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: was it at the into the twelve years, you were 485 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: done it because the technology just made it obsolete. Now 486 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: I think we're seeing tooling go obsolete in three years. 487 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: There's certain things that are so expensive to buy, and 488 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: then it's over a lot of shops right now, for example, 489 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: are hesitant to pull the trigger on buying ads. The 490 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,959 Speaker 1: automated driver assist systems, calibration kits, and a lot of 491 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 1: them just don't see the need for it right now. 492 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: And then there's talk on the horizon that the car 493 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: is going to be self calibrating. A lot of the 494 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: domestics already are self calibrating, but they're talking about making 495 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: self calibration across the board. You know, you'll approach a 496 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 1: stop sign, or you'll approach a toll booth, something that's 497 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: at a fixed calibration height, and the vehicles cameras will 498 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: adjust to that fixed object on the side of the 499 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: road and that will be the calibration point. That's what 500 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: the car, if tomorrow, is going to have. So the 501 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: guys that are investing the thirty five thousand dollars today 502 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: have to get their money out of it in a 503 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: five or six year time span at best, maybe three 504 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: or four want to repair it is a tough business. 505 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: There's a lot of there's a lot of expense, there's 506 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: a lot of short term life on tooling, and you 507 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: find yourself going time to buy something else. So just, uh, 508 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: just how many of those tools do you have? I 509 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: have to go find my spark plug gappers. I think 510 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: I've got I've got a Champion spark plug spark plug gapper, 511 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: which is real old. So anyway, five six zero nine 512 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: nine zero zero, run any of the car Doctor. I'm 513 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: coming back right after this. Don't go away. Welcome back, 514 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: Running the Car Doctor. I think I want to talk 515 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: to Tom first. Tom, you've got a comment about spark 516 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: plug gappers. Yeah, I got one for you. Go ahead. 517 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: I got to have a unique use for it in 518 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: an AIM broadcast transmitter. You use them to set the 519 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: spark gap for lightning protection in the final amplifier. Well, 520 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: there you go. At least we know they'll have a 521 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: use for now in perpetuity. So Tooma's probably now everybody 522 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 1: can send their spark plug gappers. Tom. We'll give out 523 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: his address at the end of the show. In the meantime, 524 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: let's get over to Ted in Virginia. Ted oait Toyota camera. 525 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: What's going on here, kiddo? All right, thanks for taking 526 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: my call. I had a two thousand and eight two 527 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: D to camera. Actually, my daughter has it at college 528 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: and about every six weeks she's kind of plotted out 529 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: on her on her calendar. About every six weeks it 530 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: fails to start. It happened once when she was at home. 531 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: So I witnessed this and it seems to turn over, 532 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: but it doesn't doesn't start, and then she has to 533 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 1: wait approximately ten minutes. She's realized if she waits any 534 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: sooner than that five, six, seven minutes, it won't start, 535 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: But if she waits a full ten minutes, it then starts. Okay, 536 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: the ten minutes is the is the clue? Does she 537 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: see Does she see a theft light flashing on the 538 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: dashboard or any kind of a warning light flashing on 539 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,719 Speaker 1: the dashboard when she goes to start it? Um, I 540 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: don't think so. I don't think I saw one either 541 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: when I witnessed it happened one time. Okay, I would 542 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: be willing to bet that vehicle is going into some 543 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: sort of some sort of theft event. Something's timing out. 544 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: Computer modules. Computer modules are very accurate, all right, I mean, listen, 545 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: I could take you through the conversation of as it spark, 546 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: as it fuel, all the usual things, uh, you know. 547 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: But if it's if it's exactly ten minutes, if it's 548 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: nine minutes and thirty seconds and it doesn't start and 549 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: she has to wait another ten minutes, something's on a timer, 550 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: and that is generally an anti theft device. At that point, 551 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: of course, this is a four cylinder. I believe this 552 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: four cylinder has a mass airflow sensor with a rubber 553 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: intake duct. Just for giggles, I would, you know, do 554 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,239 Speaker 1: my basics, my due diligence of tell me what's good, 555 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what's bad. You know good clean battery terminals. 556 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: Is the air intake duct intact, it's not cracked, it's 557 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: not flexing and allowing a burp of air at the 558 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: wrong moment. Because I have seen that where it won't 559 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: set a fault code. It won't. It won't, you know, 560 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: give you any indication other than maybe a fuel trim skew. 561 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: But in every once in a while it goes into 562 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: a crank no start condition. But I'd be willing to 563 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: bet barring looking over the basics, because you always cover 564 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: the basics right anytime you do a diagnosis. I'd be 565 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: into the dealer and they know the dealer couldn't find anything. 566 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: It was working at that time, Yeah, they couldn't, But 567 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,719 Speaker 1: that ten minutes, If that ten minutes is an accurate number, 568 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: I would I would verify that the vehicle has factory 569 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: anti anti theft on it, which it probably does, you know, 570 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: looking the owner's manual get an explanation of what all 571 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: the dashboard icons mean and see if there's an anti 572 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: theft light and if there is, understand how it's supposed 573 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 1: to work when it's normal, and then it likely changes 574 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: color when it goes into a theft moment because you know, 575 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: as a guess again, you know, we're kind of working 576 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: in the dark here until we see it happen. Is 577 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: this a case of, you know, when it doesn't start, 578 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: everybody's kind of focused on g it doesn't start? And 579 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: are we really paying attention to all the dashboard lights 580 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: that are coming on or off at the dashboard because 581 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's got normal dashlights. It just cranks like 582 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: it's out of fuel. Yes, right right, you know, I 583 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: mean listen, it could also be a you know, an 584 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: intermittent bad fuel pump and intermittent relay somewhere along the way. 585 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: Toyo does have a great track record. I'm not saying 586 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: it's impossible, but you know, we've got to consider that too. 587 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: But the first thing that comes to mind is that 588 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: ten minutes. Why is it always ten minutes? What does 589 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: that ten minutes mean? Did you mention did you mention 590 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: that to the dealer when you brought it in, Um, 591 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: I think I did to the intake person. I don't 592 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: know if that information got to the mechanic, right, you know, 593 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: because that would trigger it in my mind that ten 594 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: minutes is a module time of that mean that it's 595 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: falsely being activated. That could be sure, could be could 596 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: be depending upon the theft system, if the chips in 597 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: the key, or if there's a problem with the the 598 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: way the key is being read, it could be the 599 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: try a different key eliminates the problem. Which key is 600 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: she on? She's probably got more than one key, correct? Yes? Yeah, 601 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,239 Speaker 1: and I think being a two thousand and eight and 602 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't have it's just a straight key. There's no 603 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: electronics in the queue and right, so then that means 604 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: the immobilizer has to be in the lock cylinder if 605 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: it's so equipped. Again just a theory. Is this an 606 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: anti event? Uh yeah, that's that makes sense. Yeah, you know. 607 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: But but when I see when I hear ten minutes, 608 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: ten minutes, that's boy, that's that's you know, that's that's 609 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: usually we've got a module that's timing out and changing state. 610 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: So that's great. Yeah, well that's something to go on. 611 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'll look at that. Yeah, that sounds great. Okay, 612 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,959 Speaker 1: that makes sense from everything else that we've heard. Yeah, okay, Well, 613 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: I appreciate your help. You're very welcome. You let me 614 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: know what happens. Take good care, bye, Ted, You're very welcome, sir. Yes, 615 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: sir eighty five by six zero nine nine zero zero. 616 00:32:52,360 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: I'll be back right after this. Don't go away. Well, well, well, 617 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: I guess it's my turn again. Email just in from Bill. Hey, Ron, 618 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,719 Speaker 1: thanks for sharing your wealth of expertise. I took delivery 619 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: of a twenty twenty two Chevy Spark LS in December, 620 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: which I waited almost six months for. You know, cars 621 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: are starting to come back though, they're starting to get inventory, 622 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: so which is kind of hopeful anyway, of course, and 623 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: you see all the other things we're running out of 624 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: in this country, you wonder what the heck is going on. 625 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to protect the new headlight lenses from UV damage. 626 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: I searched and search for an effective product, but nothing 627 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: emerged the definitive in your experience, there's anything you recommended 628 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: or I just wait until they fog up, then buff 629 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: and cote them. I'll tell you what, Bill, you know, 630 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: I don't know how it stands up against UV rays. 631 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: I use regular car wax, well not regular car wax. 632 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: I use mcguires. You know, mcguires makes a bunch of 633 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: different waxes. I really like McGuire's number twenty six, but 634 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: it's a nice polish and finish on everything. You can 635 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: find it online at mcguires dot com. You know, I 636 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: also like any of their cleaner waxes for cleaning up 637 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: the headlight first. But I waxed my headlights and I've 638 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: been doing it forever, and I've got to tell you 639 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: the twenty two thousand and four suburban I finally had 640 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: to and not that I had to, but I finally 641 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: put new headlamps in it from GM two years ago. 642 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,280 Speaker 1: And the old ones were what at the time, seventeen 643 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: years old, and I did it just because they were 644 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,919 Speaker 1: still available and I could buy them, and I bought 645 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,320 Speaker 1: real ones from GM, and you know, I figured another 646 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: seventeen years, I'll worry about it then. But you know, 647 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: I waxed those headlights every day from the day they 648 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: were from the day that vehicle was new, and it 649 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: worked really well. But McGuire's wax, any good heavy quality 650 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: wax that stays on there seems to me, seems to work. 651 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: Aside from that, Bill continues, I'm pretty crazy about this car. 652 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: Five speed, manual trans manual windows, manual mirrors, manual locks. 653 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: It's like nineteen seventy five again. It handles great corners 654 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: flat and you can drive it like a rally car 655 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: if you want, or keep the revs load of conserve 656 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: gas for fifteen grand? What more could you ask for? Anyway? 657 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 1: Keep with a great work? Yeah, what could you ask for? 658 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 1: You know, a simple car? Imagine that? And you know 659 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: you get your use out of it. Fifteen grand? If 660 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: you get five years out of it, Bill, that's three 661 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. You do a bunch of oil changes down 662 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,320 Speaker 1: the road. Uh, you know, how much more could you 663 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 1: ask for? How much simpler could you make it? And uh, 664 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 1: you know it just uh it just kind of really 665 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: makes you really realize that, uh, you know, things are 666 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: what they are and working like they should. So, um, 667 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 1: you know, just uh just really good stuff. And uh, 668 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: in any event, it looks like we're coming to the end. 669 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: Aren't we coming to the end? Tom? I can't tell, 670 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: can you? I? Uh, I can see by the clock 671 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 1: that we're coming to the end. And Uh we've lost, 672 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: uh as we are