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Speaker 1: Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio

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Speaker 1: and a lot of all things tech. And this is

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Speaker 1: the tech news for Thursday, September nine, twenty one. And

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Speaker 1: before I jump into the news, I want to address

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Speaker 1: something I said earlier this week about political groups using

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Speaker 1: pressure to gain data from various companies, you know, companies

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Speaker 1: like telecommunications companies or internet service providers or social media platforms, etcetera. Uh,

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Speaker 1: specifically data about and belonging to other politicians. A lot

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Speaker 1: of folks reached out to me and made some really

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Speaker 1: good points, you know, kind of in opposition to what

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Speaker 1: I was saying. I spent a lot of time thinking

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Speaker 1: about my perspective and I tried to really critically analyze it,

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Speaker 1: and just as a reminder, I said that generally I

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Speaker 1: am against the idea of politicians doing this because I

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Speaker 1: feel it can lead to a situation in which whatever

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Speaker 1: political party happens to be in power can use that

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Speaker 1: kind of leverage to disempower the other party, and that

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Speaker 1: is fundamentally antithetical to the democratic process. However, I also

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Speaker 1: have to acknowledge that if there is a criminal investigation

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Speaker 1: and if there's a sufficient evidence to support a subpoena,

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Speaker 1: you know, you can't just make a subpoena, you have

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Speaker 1: to file for one and get a court appointed subpoena.

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Speaker 1: If that is the case, then investigators should exercise that

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Speaker 1: to look at data and see what it holds with

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Speaker 1: regard to a crime, and that telecommunications companies and I

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Speaker 1: s p s and whatnot should obey subpoenas if those

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Speaker 1: subpoenas are legally valid. I'm still wary of this sort

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Speaker 1: of approach snowballing beyond situations that appear to be justified,

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Speaker 1: Like we were talking about the January six insurrection. That's

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Speaker 1: a very high stakes, specific situation. But as we all know,

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Speaker 1: justifications can get pretty loosey goosey as time goes on.

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Speaker 1: So like once you start to chip away it's stuff

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Speaker 1: you've got to be super careful or or you know,

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Speaker 1: the whole damn breaks and you get flooded. But under

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Speaker 1: very controlled circumstances, I think seeking out that information can

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Speaker 1: be valid if if all those processes are followed. I

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Speaker 1: just worry that we'll lose a grip on those controls.

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Speaker 1: By the way, just full disclosure. It is not easy

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Speaker 1: for me to amend my thoughts because, like a lot

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Speaker 1: of folks, when I form an opinion, I'm loath to

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Speaker 1: probably not nearly as frequently as I should, but I

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Speaker 1: wanted to get that all the way first. Now, let's

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Speaker 1: go on to the news in Israel. Hacker using the

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Speaker 1: that claims to have stolen personal information from seven million Israeli's. Now,

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Speaker 1: if like me, you wondered how many people live in Israel,

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Speaker 1: But if this claim is true, then that means the

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Speaker 1: hacker got access to the personal information of nearly everyone

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Speaker 1: in Israel. The hacker says that they targeted a website

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Speaker 1: documentation with like personal details like like I D Cards

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Speaker 1: and tax bill. Is that kind of thing? The hacker

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Speaker 1: fun times when it comes to talking about misinformation and

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Speaker 1: misinformation loops through its search and best seller algorithms, potentially

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Speaker 1: asking Amazon to view its recommendation algorithm and to weed

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Speaker 1: out dangerous misinformation. The company has yet to reply as

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Speaker 1: of the recording of this podcast. Microsoft, in a move

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Speaker 1: This postponement also applies to Microsoft's other offices around the

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Speaker 1: United States, and the reason, of course, is the ongoing

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