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Speaker 1: in Barrio, Ohio. This is Cleveland Browns Daily, brought to

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Speaker 1: fifty ESPN Cleveland. Here are your hosts, Bow Bishop and

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Speaker 1: Nathan Zigura. Oh, let's do it live on a Monday

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Speaker 1: edition of Cleveland Browns Daily. I am merely Bow here

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Speaker 1: is the great z. How you living, buddy, I'm doing well, brother,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well. I thought it's beautiful to see the

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Speaker 1: our way. So I'm doing great. Had a nice, a

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Speaker 1: nice holiday weekend, and I got to spend some time.

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Speaker 1: He was a family. We took in it's unbelievable that

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Speaker 1: we're in the same place, but took in the guards

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Speaker 1: opening to a home opener, which was a lot of fun,

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Speaker 1: albeit in frigid temperatures, quite cold, but it ended up

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Speaker 1: being ended up being a great time. So yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: been they win, they did not, they did not, and

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Speaker 1: I think they lost Friday Saturday, but then one yesterday

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Speaker 1: in extra innings. Okay, yeah, I'm finding it very difficult.

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Speaker 1: It's been a couple of years now since I've been

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Speaker 1: difficult to re engage. My kids aren't playing it. It's

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Speaker 1: not part of my habit anymore. In terms of checking

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Speaker 1: on things. Yeah, so I just you know, I'm aware

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Speaker 1: that it's ongoing and that type of stuff. In terms

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Speaker 1: it's just been it there for me in your other worlds,

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Speaker 1: is there not? Is there not much? Is it more

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Speaker 1: there's zero demand, got it? None? Yeah, I mean, like

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Speaker 1: if one of them is, no, it's definitely more of

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Speaker 1: it's one of those things where like if one of

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Speaker 1: pay attention to Tuesday through Thursday, but not on the weekends,

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Speaker 1: not with the football. So it's just not it's not

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Speaker 1: something that that rates quite frankly. I mean, you pay

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Speaker 1: like April and then it's not going to really into

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Speaker 1: manifest tell September or October. You really have to. I

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Speaker 1: think if you're going to be in a market that

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Speaker 1: have to set the agenda like the beginning of even

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Speaker 1: in the lead up to the season, you have to

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Speaker 1: talk about the storylines of it, and you have to

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Speaker 1: view everything. You will always talk about with tronches. Remember

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Speaker 1: that with the four game tronches, you love a trunch

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Speaker 1: and that's really how you have to talk about baseball.

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Speaker 1: You have talked about it in these five in these

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Speaker 1: ten games, STANDSA what has happened? And you do the

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Speaker 1: same thing with NHL and probably NBA, except even in

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Speaker 1: NBA you do have these one off games that feel

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Speaker 1: probably have measuring stick series here. But it's a really

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Speaker 1: hard talk daily because even in the case of a series,

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Speaker 1: over the weekend. Oh, really interesting, very interesting weekend because

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Speaker 1: Rom is good. I mean, rom Ho hummed it and

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Speaker 1: don't want Tiger Woods being but if like Tiger Woods

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Speaker 1: can still go out there and play and win under

427
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Speaker 1: those auspices, I'm for it. I'd I'd be fine with

428
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Speaker 1: him having a card. I think it's more fun when

429
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Speaker 1: he's playing than when he's not. Yeah, and I think

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Speaker 1: if I would agree with you, just from someone who

431
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Speaker 1: enjoys consuming this type of stuff and just make it

432
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Speaker 1: to where anybody wants to use one can like if

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Speaker 1: you want to. I don't know how many guys would

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Speaker 1: actually choose to do it or not. It'd be a

435
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Speaker 1: lot of sitting and waiting versus walking. I'm sure the

436
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Speaker 1: routine if you're a competitive player, would be better to

437
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Speaker 1: walk and to keep laser focused. Yeah, yeah, it's it's

438
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 1: it's pretty amazing when you think about it. We're so

439
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Speaker 1: lucky to have had nineteen with him now that you

440
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Speaker 1: see how it all played out, because and that was

441
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 1: miraculous from eight to nineteen. You've got that one. It's

442
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 1: like the guy had fourteen majors and hasn't he's won

443
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Speaker 1: one in fifteen years. Yeah, so it's a and he

444
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,360
Speaker 1: was still very much at his prime, you know when

445
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Speaker 1: all this stuff happened, with all the injuries and then

446
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Speaker 1: all the personal stuff. So um, yeah, I thought it was.

447
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 1: I thought it was. You know, it's good to see

448
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Speaker 1: it again. It was a crazy masters and of the

449
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,880
Speaker 1: weather swings to it. And again I would also say

450
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Speaker 1: this like it's one of those things like I'm thinking

451
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Speaker 1: of this as John ram Is putting on the green

452
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Speaker 1: jacket like he's in like a red a red shirt,

453
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Speaker 1: which of course was famous for tiger of course, but

454
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Speaker 1: like does not go with green in any way. And

455
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: it was more it was almost even. It was like

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Speaker 1: it was whatever shade would be between a red and

457
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: a salmon, right, Like, yeah, it was a different shade

458
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: for sure. Like it almost feels like you have to

459
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: if you're in the final couple of pairings at the Masters,

460
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: have to think, like, what's gonna go with with green?

461
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 1: Like wider, yellow, black. There's a few that do. Even Spieth,

462
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: I think always look good. He always has the blue

463
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Speaker 1: on Sundays. That's very doable. But you don't want to

464
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Speaker 1: be you don't want to be in that red and

465
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Speaker 1: the other thing I thought, And you always keep a

466
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Speaker 1: close crop on the on the dome there. But I

467
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 1: think about like if I wore a cap all day

468
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Speaker 1: and then took it off and have to put on

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Speaker 1: the jacket with it off, Like the hair is gonna

470
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Speaker 1: be a to backle like you saw Rom trying to

471
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: fluff his up because it was under a hat all day.

472
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Speaker 1: There's gonna be a mess. Yeah, you got You're not

473
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Speaker 1: getting a shower in after that thing? Absolutely great, It

474
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Speaker 1: was great. Um, I wish we could have. I think

475
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Speaker 1: we were robbed a little of the competitors down the stretch.

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Speaker 1: But other than that, it was totally. It wasn't it

477
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Speaker 1: was nothing to see. It's nothing to see here. Yeah, yep. Uh.

478
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: It got the boys fired up. They were wanting to hit.

479
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Speaker 1: We went and hit at the simulator on Saturday and

480
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 1: they were playing around the yard hitting the balls to

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Speaker 1: get him out there. This week. They were all jacked up.

482
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Speaker 1: They got lacrosse and hoops and everything else. But for

483
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Speaker 1: one weekend we had a little bit of freedom. They

484
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Speaker 1: were able to play a little golf and that was

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Speaker 1: that was fun to see. Um, we will get to

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Speaker 1: the OBJ thing in just a second. One thing here

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Speaker 1: before we before we set sail here on the first segment,

488
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Speaker 1: the Beast is now available our good Dane Bruegler's manifesto

489
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Speaker 1: when it comes to the draft. Um, go to the

490
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Speaker 1: Athletic dot com and download your copy of that to day. Honestly,

491
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Speaker 1: this year with the Beast, probably if you're someone who's

492
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Speaker 1: dialed in and really want to know what's going to

493
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Speaker 1: happen with some of these guys who we pick in

494
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Speaker 1: the third round, this is your best opportunity to do that. Totally, yep,

495
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Speaker 1: because this is deep these are deep cuts. Now, when

496
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Speaker 1: you're talking about two third rounders, you're not You're not

497
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Speaker 1: picking eleventh overall, you're picking deep into the draft. So like,

498
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Speaker 1: in terms of who gets drafted, it's it's very likely,

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Speaker 1: and as close as you and I follow this stuff,

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Speaker 1: it's very likely. Probably don't you think it's fifty percent

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Speaker 1: likely that we will not have heard of one of

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Speaker 1: the two guys we pick in the third round? Well,

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Speaker 1: once we read the Beast will have heard of them.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, no, no, no, like right now, Oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: for sure, for sure. Yeah. I mean that's and I

506
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Speaker 1: do a lot of college football, especially if it's not

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Speaker 1: a receiver. Now I'm center, but yeah, right, and it's

508
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Speaker 1: not a receiver. Who knows? Who knows? Right? We? I

509
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Speaker 1: mean we were talking, wasn't it. We did Seattle the

510
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Speaker 1: other day and they have five of the top fifty

511
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Speaker 1: picks and we don't pick until seventy four and then

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Speaker 1: again I think ninety eight something around those those ball

513
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Speaker 1: that ballpark pretty hard to wrap your head around them

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Speaker 1: having five picks in the first fifty and we won't

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Speaker 1: have one, and they could get They're sneaky. They they

516
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Speaker 1: are a sneaky football team. To me, they could get

517
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Speaker 1: They could be pretty good in a hurry. If you

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Speaker 1: believe in Geno Smith, it could be really good right now.

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Speaker 1: And if you don't, they're a quarterback away even. But

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Speaker 1: what I mean is if Gino Smith plays, if he

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Speaker 1: runs to what he did a year ago, Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: you get to add five very talented pieces around that

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Speaker 1: or four and a quarterback, I think that you're going

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Speaker 1: to be in a pretty good spot there. Well, they

525
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Speaker 1: got Bobby Wagner backed at subil stability at the linebacker spot.

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Speaker 1: He's a second team All Pro last year. Again, um,

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Speaker 1: they had what they draft in last year's four starters. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's four starters. Both tackles safety. It's crazy. What Oh

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Speaker 1: and then Walker? Yeah, both tackles the safety and Walker

530
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Speaker 1: all in last year's draft. So they stack another one

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Speaker 1: like that, they can go in a in a very

532
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Speaker 1: very big hurry in the NFC. All right, coming up next,

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Speaker 1: as you no doubt I've heard Ode Beckham Junior has

534
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Speaker 1: a new team. It is in the division. What does

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Speaker 1: it mean for the Ravens, What does it mean for Odell?

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Speaker 1: What does it mean for the FC North? Among the things,

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Speaker 1: we will get to little free agent conversation with you

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Speaker 1: as well. What does our team of the day is

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Speaker 1: that the Lions do with the Lions today? Yeah, joining us,

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Speaker 1: that'll be fun DLD back in the days we go

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Speaker 1: old school, that's our old studios for that, we'll do

542
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: a little. They're one of the up and comers. We'll

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Speaker 1: get to that in the two o'clock hour as well.

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Speaker 1: Rough and running here on a Monday edition to Cleveland

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Speaker 1: Browns Daily, a fifty ESPN Cleveland. Cleveland Browns Daily, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Bally Bet coming soon to Ohio on

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Speaker 1: eight fifty ESPN Cleveland. Well, I gotta tell you, I

548
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Speaker 1: was surprised at the money on this Odell Beckham junior deal. Man.

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Speaker 1: It's a one year deal with Baltimore. It's a deal

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Speaker 1: that will pay him fifteen million dollars guaranteed in the

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Speaker 1: one year. Thirteen point eight comes in the form of

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Speaker 1: a signing bonus. So they're one point one six five

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Speaker 1: in base salary upwards of eighteen with incentives. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot to unpack here with Odell, and obviously him and

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Speaker 1: Todd would have worked together one year here. Todd Monkin,

556
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Speaker 1: who's the new offensive coordinator in Baltimore. So there's some

557
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Speaker 1: a little bit of continuity for him from that side

558
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Speaker 1: of things. But the thing that I think is, I

559
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Speaker 1: guess what's most interesting to you that he got fifteen

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Speaker 1: million guaranteed or that he signed with the Ravens without

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Speaker 1: and known quarterback. As I've said all along, I think

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson's either playing for the Ravens or he's not

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Speaker 1: playing yep. And my guess is this is a move

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Speaker 1: to try to make him want to play with the Ravens.

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Speaker 1: And the way that the contract was structured, it's all

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Speaker 1: signing bonus and all a space salary of like one

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Speaker 1: million bucks. I'm stunned that he got fifteen million dollars

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Speaker 1: guaranteed from somebody a floored flummixed. In twenty nineteen, he

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Speaker 1: averaged sixty four yards a game, seventy four catches, one

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Speaker 1: thousand and thirty five, and four touchdowns. He has not

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Speaker 1: reached eleven hundred yards in a season since two thousand

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Speaker 1: and sixteen. He has not exceeded six touchdowns in a

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Speaker 1: season since two thousand and sixteen. His best year since

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Speaker 1: then was seventy seven one thousand and fifty two six

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Speaker 1: touchdowns in two thousand and eighteen, which was with the Giants.

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Speaker 1: Receivers don't tend to flourish in Baltimore, you know, in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven games twenty three, three, nineteen and three

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Speaker 1: the next year in with both Cleveland and the Rams,

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Speaker 1: and even with the Rams, he averaged thirty eight yards

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Speaker 1: a game. He just caught five touchdowns five of twenty

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Speaker 1: seven catch or touchdowns eleven yards a catch. It's he's

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Speaker 1: being like, he is potentially a number one receiver, which

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Speaker 1: I don't know that you can say that. I love O'Dell.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to get to see him. I'm excited to

585
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Speaker 1: say hi to him. I hope that he is excellent

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Speaker 1: for them because I like him as a guy. I

587
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: hope that, you know, he doesn't help them too much.

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Speaker 1: But it's a surprising number. I thought there's no way

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Speaker 1: he would get more than maybe ten none, Okay, so agreed,

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I thought eight. Yeah, he'd be sitting at fifteen.

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Speaker 1: So that part is pretty stunning to me. That he

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Speaker 1: that he's gonna get fifteen million bucks out of this deal,

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Speaker 1: that's stunning. Basically, it's been twenty sixteens a long time

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Speaker 1: ago at this Yeah, it's been a long time. So

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Speaker 1: from that perspective, I'm surprised he got it. I understand

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Speaker 1: why he got it, because fifteen million dollars is fifteen

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Speaker 1: million dollars and that's a nice chunk of change for him. Odell,

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Speaker 1: as we know, and I loved him when he was here.

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Speaker 1: I know you did as well. I think our players

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Speaker 1: loved it. I know he's loved in the community and

601
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: rightfully so. Odell's lifestyle is bigley yep, really, so you

602
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: think from the standpoint of you need to get as

603
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: much and he can probably feel his football mortality. So

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Speaker 1: I'm saying all of this to say, I don't think

605
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Speaker 1: he was caring too much. Who's going to throw him

606
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Speaker 1: the ball? I think he was caring about how can

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Speaker 1: I get the most cash that I can get right

608
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Speaker 1: now because I'm done with the prime of my earning career.

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Speaker 1: That's in the past, man, So I've got to cash

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Speaker 1: as big at checks as I can cash when I

611
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: can cash him. And I think that's pretty straightforward in

612
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Speaker 1: terms of that. I don't think there's any correlation from

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Speaker 1: O'Dell's perspective of signing with the Ravens having anything to

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Speaker 1: do with Lamar Jackson, yep. I think it's they offered

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Speaker 1: me the most. I took the most the end agreed.

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Speaker 1: I do think that they're trying to utilize that to

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Speaker 1: as a as part of their selling point to Lamar Jackson, right,

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Speaker 1: I said, from Odell's perspective, right, No, I agree. From

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Speaker 1: the Raven's perspective, you nailed it. They are going to say,

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Speaker 1: we signed Odell for you, and that is something we

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Speaker 1: remember how popular Odell was here in the room. We

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Speaker 1: remember upon signing him that he had more social media

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Speaker 1: followers than everyone else in the NFL by twofold. Second

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Speaker 1: place was Brady and he had at the time when

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Speaker 1: we signed him, he had second. He had the most,

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Speaker 1: two times more than anybody else. Brady was second at

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Speaker 1: that time. I'm sure he's not anymore. I'm sure it's

628
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Speaker 1: Mahomes at this point now, but at that time that's

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Speaker 1: what it was. He is ultra popular among NFL players.

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Speaker 1: My guess is Lamar Jackson thinks he's a righteous dude. Yep,

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Speaker 1: So I think that you like that. I think that

632
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: there is absolutely from Baltimore's perspective, this will buoy our chance,

633
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: is to make Lamar happy and allow for him to

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Speaker 1: come home. I also think Zee, and I'm curious what

635
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 1: you think about this is someone who studies a lot

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Speaker 1: more tape than me. We've known, you know with Lamar.

637
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Speaker 1: What Lamar is really good at is break pocket, find

638
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: somebody sitting in his zone, hit him between the numbers

639
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: and let him go, or throwing the go route. Well,

640
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: it's not great at is deep over the middle into windows,

641
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: in and out of windows. That's not his strength. O'Dell

642
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: does the first really well better than he does the

643
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: ladder quite frankly. Yep. So from a football perspective, I

644
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: think it makes some sense, not at that number necessarily,

645
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: but in terms of him getting the most out of

646
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: it and Lamar liking it, I think there's some sense

647
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: to be made with it. I think what's going to

648
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: be interesting to see is, you know, getting down to

649
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: it is Odell, you know, average eleven yards of catch

650
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: with the rams. Can he run by people anymore? I

651
00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: mean this is twice surgically repairing ACL so thirty, if

652
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: any's thirty, can he run by people anymore? And if

653
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: the answer to that is no, then he becomes a

654
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: It's funny. I'm with what you're saying, and I do

655
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: think he'll be able to find some soft spots, but

656
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: he's still probably add his best in an offense. It's

657
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: going to give him more man opportunities to create a

658
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: separation and kind of freelancing at Lamar can buy time

659
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: so that when he breaks open. But I'll be curious

660
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: to see how that fit works, and then also how

661
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: that fit works when you know Mark Andrews is still

662
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: going to be the top target. And this is even

663
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: if they have Lamar, Odell probably will be number two.

664
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: You got Bateman as well, who was their first round

665
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: pick that they obviously I think would like to be successful.

666
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: And then they're going to run the ball a tome.

667
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: From a football standpoint, I find it to be an

668
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: it's an interesting fit because and I think you're right.

669
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: From Odell's standpoint, it's I don't know if there's a

670
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: little bit, Hey, it's cool to be in this division,

671
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I think it's just they were

672
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: willing to give me what I was most Yes, yeah, yeah,

673
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: I mean it's not the best football place for him

674
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: in anyway, shape or for him. And you'll say people

675
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 1: and I said, you know, like ideally, what I advise

676
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: is take a lesser deal with Kansas City, ball out,

677
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: win at a high level, catch a bunch of passes

678
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: from Patrick Mahomes and try to turn that into money

679
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: on the other end. But I'm not the guy who's

680
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: had to rehab my knees twice, right, I just like

681
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: he how many more finished the season years does he have?

682
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, look, I want nothing again.

683
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: We love Odell. I want nothing but success for Odell Beckham.

684
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: But what I it's just to me, it feels I

685
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: think they overpaid to get him there to try to

686
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: appease Lamar Jackson. I don't know that it's necessarily a

687
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: great fit in terms of what he's going to do

688
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: on the field. I mean, I don't know. Like the

689
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: notion that he's going to have a thousand yards no,

690
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: something like that. I think to me is would be

691
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: it would if he does that, Wow, is what I

692
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: would say. Yeah, I think you're you're thinking more like

693
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: you know, seven hundred yards. Seven touchdowns would be like

694
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: the ceiling, and seven is a lot from a touchdown perspective.

695
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: He has not made a Pro Bowl since twenty sixteen,

696
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: right for perspective, and he actually had the one good

697
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: year here with Monkin in nineteen seventy four for one

698
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: thousand and thirty five fourteen yards to catch, four touchdowns. Yeah,

699
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: with the four touchdowns. Now it is one hundred and

700
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: thirty three targets to get there. Yeah, his target his

701
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: catch rate has been under fifty percent, like five years

702
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: in a row. Which that also that makes it tough

703
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: to rack up big numbers as well. Yeah, boy, him

704
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: and Jarvis are both thirty Jarvis seven thirteen seven seventy

705
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: eight seventy on career yards so seven thirteen for seven

706
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: seven seven seven eight zero. O'Dell is five thirty one

707
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: for seventy three sixty seven. Yeah, Jarvis had a rough

708
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: year last year, right, really yeah right right? Career touchdowns

709
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: fifty six for Odell, just thirty eight for Jarvis. Yeah,

710
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: I don't know where Jarvis. I mean, Jarvis got hurt, man,

711
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: he's our guy. That he got hurt. It's hard to overcome.

712
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: Here's the here's the synopsis of this. Good for him,

713
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: way more money than I ever thought he would get.

714
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think it means anything in regards to Odell,

715
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: Beckham or Lamar or him. Knowing that Lamar was coming back.

716
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: I do think that Baltimore absolutely will play this up

717
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: to Lamar as a reason to come back and for

718
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: them to be acrimony between them and him, And I

719
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: think it might. I think it could have real value there.

720
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: But Buddy, I see no way that this is any

721
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: sort of needle mover in the in the AFC North

722
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: because I thought Lamar coming back anyway, No, agreed. I

723
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: totally agree with that he will make some plays for them.

724
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: I think he'll make some obviously highlight catches, that's what

725
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: he does. But yeah, it's just hard to see a

726
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: situation where he is going to be right a needle mover,

727
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: as you said, into the sense that he fundamentally changes

728
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: the way that they operate as an offense. He puts

729
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: up a thousand yards, he changes. I'm curious if he

730
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: changes the Lamar dynamic, you know, the righteous dude part

731
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: of it I think is important. But if they're not

732
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: willing to pay him what he wants, I don't know

733
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: that he cares. And if he's really mad at him,

734
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: he's gonna be like if you guys just gave fifteen

735
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: million dollars and don't have a quarterback. Yeah, no, if

736
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: he's if he's opening a spite store, this just adds

737
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: another level to the spite. Absolutely, yep, yeah, absolutely the

738
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: other thing. And I didn't watch as closely when he

739
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: was here versus the time the time when when he

740
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: was in the rams, but it did seem like, you know,

741
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: when he was here, that he would want it. I

742
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: think the injury stuff is real, like you know, like

743
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: he would catch it a lot of time, just get down,

744
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: you know, like you'd see him trying to make a

745
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: couple of miss if he didn't that he would just

746
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: get out of bounds, like you know, you could feel

747
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,479
Speaker 1: your football mortality. It's it was real. You can feel

748
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: that when he was here. It's you're not as reckless

749
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: abandoned as you were at twenty three. That's human nature.

750
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: And he's coming back from an entire year off. Yeah,

751
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: in many ways, it's kind of like you know, Josh

752
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: Gordon kept coming back and you go, oh, he's gonna

753
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: be great again. And he's gonna be great again, and

754
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: it's hard. You're chase to kind of chasing the magic dragon,

755
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: but it's a hard thing to land that plane, as

756
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: O'Dell certainly was for Josh Gordon. Josh Gordon was more

757
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: of in some ways a physical freak than than O'Dell

758
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: was Odell incredibly special. But you're right. I mean it's

759
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: it's been since twenty and sixteen. That is a long

760
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: long time ago. It's two catastrophic the injuries, let alone

761
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: the years. Yep. So it's a lot going on. Um

762
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: all right, Coming up next, although I'm happy for him,

763
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,439
Speaker 1: glad he got the fifteen million. Good job. Um. Coming

764
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: up next, we'll take a look at some of the

765
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: best free agents still available. Um, do any even make

766
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 1: sense for us? Here's a cliffs Notes version. No, no,

767
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: I don't believe that they not not at these not

768
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: at these numbers. Certainly we'll get into that. Coming up next.

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778
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: Now we're good? Um there you are? Yeah? Are you?

779
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: I guess I keep thinking the Kareem would have been

780
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: signed by now, but he's also not. Neither he nor

781
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: Zeke or signed these None of these guys check boxes

782
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: for us on this list for us, No, the guy

783
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: that think makes sense for us at running back would

784
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: be like a Jerick McKinnon who you could get cheap.

785
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 1: He can absolutely play on third downs. He can pass

786
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: protect for your quarterback and can catch the ball very

787
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: effectively and plays well in a spread style offense which

788
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: will run more of this year. Is there anybody on

789
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: this list offensively? I mean, if I think of like

790
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: us still being involved in free agents, it would be

791
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: d Line. Yeah, there's nobody offensively I would think of

792
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: that you would be looking at Yeah, to me, it

793
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: would be on the It certainly would be somebody on

794
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. If if that's how

795
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: you were looking at it. If we're going to add

796
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: somebody else who isn't currently on this roster who's not

797
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: going to come be a trade. To me, it would

798
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: be waiting until later in the summer, right before camp,

799
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: even during camp, a veteran on the defensive line who

800
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: maybe didn't want to do all the off season. That

801
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: type of a situation, to me, makes more sense than

802
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: us signing anybody from either side of the ball at

803
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: this juncture in the off season. I think it's all

804
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: into the draft now, and you'll revisit this stuff by

805
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: the time you get to camp or just right before agreed. Yeah,

806
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: I think that you're pretty you're in a pretty good

807
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: spot right now. You know, barring an injury to somebody

808
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: in the offensive line, you're pretty good there. You'll probably add,

809
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: you know, maybe in the draft or somebody to be

810
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: a backup, but you probably feel pretty good about what

811
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: you've got on that side of the ball. And yet,

812
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: to me, anything that's happening is being is going to

813
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: happen on the defensive line if we're or versatile safety

814
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 1: that you think could be your you know, third safety

815
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: in this group. Yeah, are you surprised Kareem hasn't signed

816
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: anywhere yet? Not much mood he's asking for. I just

817
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: physical backs like that it feels like when they start

818
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 1: to decline, perhaps they do. And it felt like last

819
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: year he just did not have the juice that he

820
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: had had in years previous, So, you know, it was

821
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: it was a tough season for him. Obviously, I still

822
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: think that he is very, very good, but he's he's

823
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: looking at a part time role. I think two years

824
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: ago you would have said, Okay, when Kareem's out of here.

825
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: It wouldn't after the twenty twenty season, you'd say, oh,

826
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna go be somebody's starter and be a top

827
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: ten back. I just clearly that's not what the league thinks.

828
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: And then the other part of it is this is

829
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: such a great running back draft that you could say,

830
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: I think I can get somebody who can produce on

831
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: that same level, close to that same level, you know,

832
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 1: relatively there, and have them be on a rookie contract

833
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: for four years. Yeah. So I think it's tough for

834
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: these guys. I think it's tough for Zeke. I think

835
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough for Leonard Fournette. It's gonna be

836
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: tough for you know, cree Month. These are guys with

837
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: tread on their tires who are clearly not the dominant

838
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: players they once were. So what does that mean? How

839
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 1: does that look when it's all said and done, that's

840
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 1: the question. And Zeke and Fournette kind of the example

841
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: of this is, you know, top ten picks at running

842
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: back and both still shy of their thirtieth birthday and

843
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: what do you what do you have to stand for it?

844
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 1: You know, people think this Robinson, how do you say?

845
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: His first name? Is it? Bjan Bijean? Robinson is as

846
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: good a running back prospect as there has been in

847
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: the draft in a long time, Like better than se Quon,

848
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: better than all those guys, And a lot of the

849
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: mocks have him going in the twenties or if not

850
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: in the first round at all, because it's just, yeah,

851
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: you don't do that. Go back to it that the

852
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: Cowboys could have taken in that spot. Jalen Ramsey, Yeah, yep,

853
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: like it's a no brainer. Yeah. I think the only

854
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: spot I could see for Robinson is Philly because they

855
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: have two and for them, they're so ready made and

856
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: they put an explosive they could he could be the

857
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: difference for them winning the title next year, like that

858
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: type of explosive performer. But that's just because they have

859
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: everything else. Yeah, and the way they play too. I

860
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: mean their style fits him specifically in terms of that,

861
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: like you put him next to Jalen Hurts in the backfield.

862
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 1: It's a problem trying to decide it, and they're viewing

863
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: it from a they would be. I'm not saying i'd

864
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: give him a second contract, but I'm saying a two

865
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: to five year window of let's go right now and

866
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: go win it. He could be the type that puts

867
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 1: you over the top based on how they play offense.

868
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: But you don't need it if you have if you're

869
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: one of these teams who spends it, you don't need

870
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: a guy like that in any way. In fact, they

871
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: might be the only team that I would take him

872
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: in the first round with everybody else maybe the Bills,

873
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: because you feel like you're right there. But it's it's

874
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: a short shortlist. We'll continue our team by team look

875
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: of the NFL offseason. We're in Detroit. Tim Twentyman going

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00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: to join us on that. Coming up next, she's to

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00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,759
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Speaker 1: senior writer and insider host of the Twentyman in the

888
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: Huddle podcast, and he joins us now. Tim, thank you

889
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,720
Speaker 1: so much for taking the time. You know, it's interesting

890
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: you look around this division. You say to yourself, if

891
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: not the Lions, then who and if not when, how

892
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: about right now? Is that kind of the feeling in

893
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: Lions Country that they're on the cusp of something. Yeah,

894
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: that is the feeling. And I have to tell you

895
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: it's a little strange because it's obviously there's been some

896
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: some lean times here, you know, over the past few decades,

897
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: and especially with going from Brett Farve to Aaron Rodgers,

898
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: Green Bay has kind of dominated then the elite team

899
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: in this division. For a long time, but with Rogers

900
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: headed out of the division, Chicago is still kind of building.

901
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: And then love Minnesota one thirteen games last year, but

902
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 1: I think they were eleven to zero and one score games,

903
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: and that's really hard to duplicate. Yeah, I think you

904
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: look at the division and it is the Lions. I think,

905
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: you know, they returned a top five offense, They've made

906
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: significant improvements to the defense. They've got five picks in

907
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: the top eighty one in this draft, including two first

908
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: and two seconds, and then again what they did in

909
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: free agency just improving their biggest need, which was to

910
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: improve the defense. I think you look at this team,

911
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 1: you're like, Wow, Detroit's in a pretty good position to

912
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: compete and potentially win the NFC Nords in twenty twenty three. Tim,

913
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: we'll get into, you know, looking forward, but I have

914
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: to do one look back because there's something that happened

915
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: last year that still to this day, absolutely befuddles me.

916
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: And that was the trade of t J. Hockinson to

917
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: the division rival Minnesota Vikings. Why did they do that?

918
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: Do they regret doing that? Because I feel like you

919
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: drop him into this offense with Jamison Williams now and

920
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 1: obviously a monros st Brown. It just feels like he's

921
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: a very good player. And I was just the whole

922
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: thing kind of stunned me from from afar. Give us

923
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: the up close. Why did that happen and what's kind

924
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 1: of the thought on that move? Now? Yeah, you know,

925
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 1: at the time, obviously they were struggling, they had gotten

926
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: off to the one and sixth start. But the thing

927
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: about that is the Detroit Lions at a Franchi record

928
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,919
Speaker 1: with touchdowns by the tight end position last season and TJ.

929
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: Hockinson accounted for three of those and they had twelve

930
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: in total without him. I just think they wanted to

931
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: feature more of Aman Ross Saint Brown, DJ Charkin, and

932
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 1: obviously Jamison Williams this year. They're a run first football

933
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: team and they really value the play action, and they

934
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: just thought that Ben Johnson can get a lot out

935
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: of the tight ends with scheme, not so much with

936
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: having an elite caliber tight end who is going to

937
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: be up for a significant pay raise here in the

938
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 1: next year. So I think that was really the thought

939
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: behind it was just they liked some of the guys

940
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: that they had behind him in brock Wright. They drafted

941
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: James Houston last year. They really liked where he's headed,

942
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 1: and they just thought, you know, we can get an asset,

943
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 1: which turned out to be a second round pick, we

944
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 1: can turn that into a bigger need. And it was

945
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: a team that still got twelve touchdowns from the tight

946
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: end position, was a top five offense without TJ. Hockey. Yeah,

947
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: you mentioned Jamison Williams there, and you mentioned the fact

948
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: that you have two first round picks. Kind of feels

949
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 1: like he got three right with him. Yeah, I remember

950
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: it when he does go ahead, hit it go ahead

951
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 1: to him? No, no, go ahead? Ask crushing. Well, I

952
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: was just gonna say, because I'm you know, we saw

953
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: him in little little windows here and there last year

954
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: certainly covered him in and he was dynamic and the

955
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 1: ones you saw certainly when I was around him when

956
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: he was at a high state. It was a situation where,

957
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: like I remember hearing the whispers about him and it

958
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: was like, look, these guys are all pretty good, but

959
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: this one might have the highest ceiling of all of them.

960
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: Are those whispers there with Jamison Williams In terms of

961
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: what he can be in really his first full season.

962
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: They are really, really, really excited about jameson Williams around here, guys. Yeah.

963
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: I just I had Ben Johnson on my on my podcast,

964
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator, and he said, you can you can

965
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: list the guys in the league on one hand that

966
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: are as dynamic and as Jamison will James is. I

967
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: mean guys like Hill. You know, guys that no matter

968
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: where you get the ball to them, they can take

969
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 1: it to the house eighty yards. That's what this Lions

970
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: team thinks Jamison Williams can do for them. He saw

971
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: in flashes. Obviously the one touchdown on his first catch,

972
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: the one run, but for an entire season, he just

973
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: has elite speed. I mean I asked him after the

974
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: Lions drafted him what he would have ran at the

975
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: combine had he done it, and he was completely serious.

976
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: He said, I would have broken that record. I mean

977
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: he was dead serious. I mean, that's the kind of

978
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 1: speed that you're getting. You talked to Jared Golf and

979
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: some people that saw him played with him right at

980
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: the end of the year when he came back, and

981
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: they said it it's different. That speed, that explosiveness is

982
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: way different than Jared said he's ever seen and played with.

983
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: So there's some excitement here, certainly, about what he's going

984
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: to do now that he's going to be a very big, key,

985
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: featured piece in this offense. In twenty twenty three with

986
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: Tim twenty minute about what we think is a very

987
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: exciting Lions team. Let's stay on the offense. Jared Goff

988
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 1: last year sixty five percent completions, twenty nine touchdown, seven picks.

989
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: You feel like he can get into the thirties this

990
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,439
Speaker 1: year in touchdowns forty four hundred and thirty eight yards played. Well,

991
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: is Goff the guy? Would you expect one of those

992
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: first round picks, one of the two to be used

993
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,240
Speaker 1: on a quarterback? You know, somebody maybe like an Anthony

994
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: Richardson who needs some time to develop, or are they

995
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: locked in with Jared Goff? I think they're locked in

996
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: with Jared Goff. I mean you look at Golf. You

997
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: mentioned the numbers from last year. Let's not forget he's

998
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: twenty eight years old, so it's not like we're talking about,

999
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: you know, mid thirties, a thirty three thirty four year

1000
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: old quarterback. Jared Golf is twenty eight years old. He's

1001
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: also up under contract for two more years at a

1002
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: very reasonable price considering what quarterbacks are going for now,

1003
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 1: the sport Lions are paying Jared Golf thirty million dollars

1004
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: for a Pro Bowl caliber quarterback in terms of the

1005
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: numbers he put up last year, and they expect those

1006
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: to be even better, like you mentioned this year. So

1007
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: now I think back quarterback job they need to shore up.

1008
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: Obviously the reports with the offer into Teddy Bridgewater, he's

1009
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: got to decide what he wants to do. They have

1010
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 1: Nate Sudfield as the backup. He was the backup last year,

1011
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: but Nate's playing only six games. He's attempted thirty seven

1012
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: passes in his career, so you know, maybe getting a

1013
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: guy like a Bridgewater that has more experience adds a backup.

1014
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: But if not get a developmental guy, I would be

1015
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 1: really surprised if it was at six in eighteen. I

1016
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: think kind of what we're talking about here about this

1017
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: team being close the goals to win the division, I

1018
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 1: think getting an impact player at six, giving an impact

1019
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: player at eighteen probably makes more sense to kind of

1020
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: take that next step. But I think certainly with one

1021
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: of those two second round picks, with a third round pick,

1022
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: a guy like Hendon Hooker, if he's there, get a

1023
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: developmental guy who you like and you can kind of

1024
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 1: groove for the future. But they're certainly not looking for

1025
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: a starting caliber quarterback. Jared Golf is their guy. They've

1026
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: made that very clear, all right. Last one for me.

1027
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: On the offensive side of the ball, you know, you

1028
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: look at the free agent signings and the laws net

1029
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: net huge positives for this organization. Offensively, you lose DJ Chark,

1030
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: but you're replacing him with Williams basically, and then also

1031
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: Marvin Jones comes in on a one year deal, and

1032
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: then the running back I think that you know, you

1033
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: look at Jamal Williams a season last year, one thousand

1034
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: and sixty six yards, seventeen touchdowns. Felt kind of improbable

1035
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: that those would be the numbers when he started the year,

1036
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: but that's where he ended up. Also felt like very

1037
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 1: much kind of the heart and soul of this team

1038
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: in many ways, a leader from from the offseason to

1039
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: start on hard knocks and obviously the fiery speech he

1040
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: gave after they went to Green Bay and knocked the

1041
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: Packers out of the playoffs in Lambeau. He's gone, but

1042
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: incomes probably a more talented If we're being apples to apples,

1043
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: David Montgomery, What did you make of that move at

1044
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: running back and Williams And how big is that loss

1045
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: not only on the field but in the locker room? Yeah,

1046
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: you know what, it is a big loss. You know,

1047
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: on the field, both because of the numbers that you

1048
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: mentioned the touchdown production, but off the field, like he was,

1049
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, he was a really good locker room guy.

1050
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: He was a favorite among the players, and the Lions

1051
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: wanted to sign him back. They made a contract offer

1052
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: to him. Williams didn't accept the first and want to

1053
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: see what he could get. And by that point that

1054
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: the Lion said, hey, we don't want to, you know,

1055
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: get stuck with nothing, made the offer to Montgomery and

1056
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 1: moved on. And look, you are talking about a player

1057
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: in Montgomery who's two years younger than Williams, a guy

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00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: who is probably a little bit better of a pass protector, protector,

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00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: a little bit better of a runner. Not as physical

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00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: as Williams, not so much of between the tackles, you know,

1061
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: one yard line and give him the ball, he's going

1062
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: to plow it in him. But he's very yes, much

1063
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: more dangerous, especially in the pass game. That was not

1064
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: one of William's strength. That it was DeAndre Swift always

1065
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: in the game and passing situations. So you know, now

1066
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: you've got a guy who I think is younger, a

1067
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: little bit more dynamic. You're paid the same price that

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00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: you offered Williams, so you know, I think you made

1069
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: out in there. And he's going to be running behind

1070
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: arguably one of the top two three offensive lines in football,

1071
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: So I think you have a chance to be potentially

1072
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: even better on the ground. And this was a team

1073
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: that threw for four thousand yards and rush for at

1074
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 1: least two thousand years the first time in franchise history

1075
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: last year, is DeAndre Swift kind of the next you know,

1076
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: I know it's for different ways, but you know, kind

1077
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 1: of the next job he'd best in terms of a

1078
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: Lion running back. He thought was gonna be this unbelievable

1079
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: dual threat, and it just never really came to be.

1080
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, last year, you remember in Hard

1081
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: Knocks they're talking about him going for a thousand and

1082
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 1: a thousand Roger Craig style, and it just never seemed

1083
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: to matureize incredibly effective. You average five and a half

1084
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: yards of carry. I know, from a fantasy standpoint, people

1085
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: wanted more of him, But it just feels like, for

1086
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: whatever reason, there isn't that commitment to him internally. Availability

1087
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,919
Speaker 1: is the best ability, right, guys, That's right, And that's

1088
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: really been the story with Swift. I mean, you look

1089
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: at the week one, you rushes for one hundred and

1090
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: forty four yards, has that great game, but injures his

1091
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: ankle and he was never really the same. And then

1092
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: week three he injures his shoulder. You know, missed a

1093
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: chunk of time, was playing with that stuff, was limited

1094
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: and really wasn't until the end of the year that

1095
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: he was healthy again. And that's really been the story

1096
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: of Giant Strift through his first three years. Dynamic player again,

1097
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: a guy you just see some of the highlights where

1098
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: he catches the past, falls on his butt, gets uh

1099
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: you know, cuts it back, has a touchdown, you know,

1100
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: some of the long runs and big plays. A dynamic player.

1101
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: But it seems like he's kind of always dealing with

1102
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: something and that's been the biggest issue. Games missed and

1103
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: just being limited by injury. I'd love to see him

1104
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: for seventeen games healthy. Oh look, no players ever healthy

1105
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: by mid season, end of the season. But but just

1106
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: be that guy that's available that that can have fifteen

1107
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: to twenty touches because he's such a dynamic player. But again,

1108
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: it's the whole availability thing, and that's really been his

1109
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: achilles field first three seasons. Tim, what are they you

1110
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: look at this roster's a lot of talent. You mentioned

1111
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: in free agency how active they were. We've talked a

1112
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: lot about their offense and the talent there by the

1113
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: way two first round picks. What what would make Lions

1114
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: fans most happy at six and eighteen? Well, I think

1115
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: it's six. You've got to look at the best defensive

1116
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: player available, whether that's Jalen Carter and you vetted that

1117
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: and you feel comfortable about him, whether that's you know,

1118
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: Will Anderson Junior if he somehow falls, Tyree Wilson, whatever,

1119
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: that best defensive player on your board is at six,

1120
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: I think Lions fans will be extatic about that. This

1121
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: is a defense that that needs to be better now.

1122
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: They obviously addressed the secondary a lot in free agency,

1123
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: resigned some guys up front, Isaiah Bugs, John Kaminski, but

1124
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: they were just an average defense last year. I mean,

1125
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: we're talking about a playoff team and a possibility team

1126
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: that could have done some damage in the playoffs, and

1127
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: so they knew they had to address that inside of

1128
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:49,919
Speaker 1: the football. I think they'd come away at pick six

1129
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: with a guy that they can maybe, you know, pair

1130
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: up front with Aiden Hutchinson and James Houston and some

1131
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: of those young players that they really like up front,

1132
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: and then at number eighteen, I just think you're in

1133
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: a position then to just best available player, whether that's

1134
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: Bjean Robinson, whether that's you know, one of the offensive linemen,

1135
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: whether that's a receiver to add to that group, or whoever.

1136
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: It is a tight end like we talked about earlier,

1137
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: I think it's your best defensive player. At six, a

1138
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: guy can come in and make an impact on that

1139
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: side of the ball, and then that really opens you

1140
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: up at eighteen to just take who's numb, who's the

1141
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: top guy on my board, Let's take him, and then

1142
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: we're off and running. Yeah, because you really did a

1143
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: great job where the lines did addressing kind of their

1144
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: defensive backfield right yet, Cam Sutton was kind of their

1145
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 1: big early move. Immanuel Moseley, the guy who's played when

1146
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: he's availables played at a high level for the forty

1147
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: nine or certainly and then probably from a dollar standpoint,

1148
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: one of the steals of free agency that nobody really

1149
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: saw coming. CJ. Gardener Johnson one year's eight million, one

1150
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: year eight million. That's a cute guy. Le league interceptions

1151
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: last year. How do they feel about what they've done

1152
00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: on the back end of this defense? And then now

1153
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: you're talking about getting an other game wrecker up front

1154
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: to go Thadan Hutchinson, and then it feels like this

1155
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: could be pretty talented team. Yeah, then you're off and running.

1156
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: Like I said, you know, they love being able to

1157
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: pick up those guys. I mean, like you said, they

1158
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: identified Camp Sudden early a guy that can play at

1159
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: the nickel and outside. Mosley really physical brand of football

1160
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,919
Speaker 1: starter in San Francisco. I think he was available because

1161
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: he's coming off the ACL but he's expected to be

1162
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: ready by the regular season. And then um, Mosley, he's

1163
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: a guy that can play safety and can play nickel.

1164
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: So what they did was they added bettering guys with

1165
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 1: experience with production that at versatile and could do a

1166
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: lot of different things. And so I agree, Now you

1167
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: just you know, help marriage that that you're you know,

1168
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: helped put together that the marriage between the rush and

1169
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: the cover. I think you addressed the cover part of it.

1170
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: You like where some of the rush is coming. Obviously

1171
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: James Houston the way he finished the season with eight sacks. There,

1172
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson was the runner up for Defensive Rookie of

1173
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,919
Speaker 1: the Year. Um, they've got some other young guys up front.

1174
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: They really liked. You have one more guy, maybe a

1175
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: difference maker up front, and now you got to cover

1176
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: part taken care of. You got the rush part taken

1177
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: care of. I think your defense can take a big

1178
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: leap forward. We've already talked about the offense from last

1179
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: year and what we expect that to be. You improved

1180
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: that defense. You become a top fifteen defense in this

1181
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: league with a top five offense. I think the NFC

1182
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: North is very much in reach, and this is what

1183
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people want to play.

1184
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm sure nobody's sad about Aaron Rodgers seemingly

1185
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 1: departing the division for the first time and obviously a

1186
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: long time. One of my final one wanted to ask

1187
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 1: you about Dan Campbell because it was just such a

1188
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 1: compelling thing to watch him and Aaron Glenn and Do

1189
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: Staley and all of them, but especially Dan Campbell and

1190
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: the leadership style that he had that you know, man

1191
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: getting guys run through a wallman and all of that,

1192
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 1: and it worked is and they played well and they

1193
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: battled through adversity. You mentioned that slow start. What's kind

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01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: of the take on Campbell and is this something that

1195
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: you think can work long term? It certainly would have

1196
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: seemed that way and certainly very likable guy from the outside. Yeah,

1197
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: he is very likable. Look, he's a players coach. And

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01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: I just look at Week eight team last year, right, guys,

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01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: I mean the Lions, you know, devastating that that you

1200
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: know you're not going to be in the playoffs, right,

1201
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: I mean you know the rams from ZA game Seattle

1202
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: wins that you've got nothing to play for besides pride.

1203
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 1: And we've seen many times over the years that this

1204
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: the discouragement of that, maybe it gets the better of you.

1205
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: You don't have your best performance. But to go on

1206
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 1: the road with Green Bay needing a win to get in,

1207
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: they have everything to play for, and you're you, you

1208
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: play a physical brand of football and beat them in

1209
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: their place, um and and you know, play the way

1210
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Speaker 1: that they did. I think that tells you a lot

1211
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Speaker 1: about Dan Campbell and what these players think of Dan

1212
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 1: Campbell and how they want to play for Dan Campbell. Um, Look,

1213
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: he's a player himself. He's not going to ask anybody

1214
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: to do anything one he hasn't done already you're two

1215
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 1: been asked to do himself. And so he's very honest

1216
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: with players. He's open, we play with players. He tells

1217
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: it like it is, and I think players respect that.

1218
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: And then he's got their their best interest in mind.

1219
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,959
Speaker 1: And so um, look he's fiery, he's all about ball,

1220
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: and I think just players love playing for a guy

1221
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,919
Speaker 1: like that who is very very genuine, very hard nose

1222
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Speaker 1: and and just wants to win and wants to do

1223
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Speaker 1: the best. First players, These guys love them. And I

1224
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: can see a guy like that, and I can see

1225
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: that playing for a long time in Detroit, a city

1226
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 1: like you guys know, like where you're at in Cleveland,

1227
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: hard nosed, lunch pale right, that kind of mentality. I

1228
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: think that plays in Detroit just like it does in Cleveland.

1229
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: And so I think it certainly plays here and can

1230
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 1: play for a long time. But look, as you guys know,

1231
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: you've got to win football games. Head coaches and quarterbacks

1232
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 1: are defined by wins. So it all sounds great and

1233
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 1: it was great on hard Knocks and everything else, but

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01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you've got to win

1235
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 1: football games, and the Lions think they're gonna start doing

1236
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 1: that with with Dan Campbell. Yeah, it certainly should be

1237
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Speaker 1: a fun year. Great stuff. Tim, really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: get to that point, this feels like it feels a

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Speaker 1: little bit how you know, we've felt a couple of

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Speaker 1: times in the last four or five years like it

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Speaker 1: was our time to ascend totally after struggling. You check

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Speaker 1: all the boxes and you go, gosh, you got all

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Speaker 1: this stuff. It's one thing to have it all lined up,

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Speaker 1: is another thing to actually do it. And they're the

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Speaker 1: Lions are at do it stage right now. The only

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Speaker 1: thing standing in front of them is the kind of

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Speaker 1: an aging Vikings Foster. The Bears don't feel like they're

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01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 1: there yet to me, not at all, and the Packers

1267
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 1: are could be completely rebuilding without Rogers, so it's it's

1268
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 1: there for them on a silver platter, one hundred percent.

1269
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 1: It feels in many ways a lot like we felt,

1270
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 1: you know, coming into twenty nineteen, coming off a two

1271
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: thousand and eighteen, and you know that, uh, that didn't

1272
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 1: work out well for us. It's hard to be the

1273
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: hyped team and deliver. That's what they're going to be

1274
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 1: faced with. And I think that they will be up

1275
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 1: for the challenge because of what's going on in their division.

1276
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: But nonetheless, it you gotta you gotta get it done,

1277
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: that's the bottom line. You've got to go out there

1278
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 1: now and deliver. So they're going to be a team

1279
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 1: that is predicted for the first time in a long

1280
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 1: time to win their division, probably the first time in decades,

1281
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: I would say. I was trying to think, when's the

1282
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 1: last time they would have been predicted to win the division?

1283
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: Would have been like coming out of the year they

1284
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 1: played in the NFC Championship, like ninety one or two

1285
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 1: before five was good because I don't even think with

1286
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: Stafford when they went to the playoffs that next year,

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01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: that's still have been Rogers would have still been predicted

1288
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 1: to win the division. It would have been five Rogers.

1289
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: There may have been some Bears teams in there, because

1290
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: the Bears played for a Super Bowl, you know, the

1291
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 1: one time they had some really good defenses and Rex Grossman,

1292
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 1: But like it would have always been a Packers predicted

1293
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:53,479
Speaker 1: to win or Vikings. Okay, so they are the betting

1294
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 1: favorites to win the NFC North. The last time that

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01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 1: they won the NFC North was nineteen ninety one. So

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01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 1: nailed that, Eric Kramer, yep. I don't. Nobody seems they

1297
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 1: would be saying the last time that they were favored

1298
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 1: to when the division was I don't see that best.

1299
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 1: It's ninety two. Yep. I feel very confident with that.

1300
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 1: There's no scario when the Packers had a fully formed

1301
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 1: FARV Rodgers that they would have been predicted to finish

1302
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 1: ahead of them. And on the odd chance that the

1303
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 1: Packers weren't favored, it would have been the Vikings who've

1304
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 1: had some really good teams with Adrian Peterson, or the

1305
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: team with some of those random Moss Chris Carter teams. Ye,

1306
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: And then the Bears defense would have been good enough

1307
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 1: that they would have been favored ahead of them. So ye, no,

1308
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 1: I think it's probably you probably go back to like

1309
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: ninety two, the last time that they were favored to

1310
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: do something. So it's one thing to be talked about,

1311
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 1: it's another thing to actually do it. They're in they're

1312
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 1: in the duet stage right now. Here's a wild stat too,

1313
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: is that they were favored in Week two this year

1314
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 1: against Washington Commanders, and that was the first time that

1315
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 1: they had been favored just in a game, let alone

1316
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 1: favored to win their division in over twenty games. They

1317
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 1: were last favored to win the game in the middle

1318
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty season. So they bottom down several times.

1319
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 1: They've come a long way quickly they did. Yeah, but

1320
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:10,439
Speaker 1: they're they're Look, they kind of crushed the Stafford trade. Yeah,

1321
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: lots of ones. It's kind of a win win the Rams. One.

1322
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:16,759
Speaker 1: They won the Super Bowl right away and the Lions

1323
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 1: won two. They got a franchise quarterback on a much

1324
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 1: cheaper deal, and they were able to recoup a bunch

1325
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 1: of draft picks, and they're still doing it. They get

1326
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 1: two ones this year. Because of that deal, they could

1327
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: get a franchise, franchise cornerstone defender to add with Hutchinson

1328
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: on the defensive side. I mean, dude, I was just

1329
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 1: thinking about this, like, if Jackson Smith and Jigba falls

1330
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 1: and you're able to put him in this, they would

1331
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 1: have Mron sat Brown, Jamison Williams, Jackson Smith and Jigba

1332
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 1: a receiver. Be ridiculous with you, as somebody who's watched

1333
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: him more as Jackson, Smith and Jigba because that's like

1334
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 1: a the comp I see form is I'm on Raith

1335
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: the same brown is that? Are they redundant in terms

1336
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 1: of what they do? M I think Smith and jigb

1337
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 1: is a higher ceiling of it. Yeah. I mean Heartline

1338
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: rated him the second best receiver that he's coached at

1339
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 1: Ohio State, behind Marvin Harrison junior and then him and

1340
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 1: even he's more of a complete receiver than he's given

1341
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 1: credit because he can play more outside. Yeah, I think

1342
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 1: he played mostly in the slot because of because Wilson

1343
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 1: and Olavey were on the outside. The way O High

1344
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 1: State did that from a hierarchy was go in the slot,

1345
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: earn your keep, and then we put you outside. Like

1346
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: they did that even with Harrison. They were doing it

1347
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 1: with Harrison this year, like he was going to start

1348
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: in the slot. It was going to be Smith and

1349
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 1: Jigba outside Harrison and the slot Abuka outside and then

1350
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 1: all of that changed with the injuries. But no, I

1351
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 1: think he's more than capable of being outside. He's player

1352
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: route runners. You'll find Williams on Jamis and Williams on

1353
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 1: one side and Smith and jib on the other. With

1354
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 1: im on Rosse Bryan and you're gonna be just fine.

1355
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. Yeah, that's a lot of weapons to

1356
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 1: deal with. All right, let's get the categories on the lines,

1357
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 1: and let's start with the uniforms. Keep change or what variation.

1358
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 1: I liked their uniforms. I like the blue. I think

1359
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 1: if we were gonna go you know, nitpicky, I'd like

1360
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 1: to see some of the you know, the older ones,

1361
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 1: that older helmet maybe, but I think they're pretty good.

1362
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 1: So they are getting new uniforms. They are one of

1363
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 1: the teams that's going to get new uniforms. It's not

1364
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:20,640
Speaker 1: this year. I think it might be next year. Uh,

1365
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 1: these aren't that old. And I actually I'm with you.

1366
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 1: I think these were a pretty good version of where

1367
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,560
Speaker 1: they had a little bit of mix of modern with

1368
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 1: their historic uniforms. Yeah, they were coming off of some

1369
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 1: some kind of crazy ones they had sometimes with Stafford

1370
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 1: that they had some black. They had an all blue

1371
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 1: uniform in it at one. I liked when they had

1372
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:40,560
Speaker 1: the black one. You know, of course I think that

1373
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 1: I had a black Calvin Johnson. So it says that

1374
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 1: they will not black is always going to be clean.

1375
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:51,680
Speaker 1: They will not have new uniforms in twenty twenty three.

1376
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,679
Speaker 1: According to their team president, people get over their skis

1377
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 1: on that. But they will have a new helmet, a

1378
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 1: new alternate helmet, new uniforms coming probably twenty twenty four.

1379
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah, I think they're the ones they

1380
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 1: have are fine. The new helmet. I mean, they've always

1381
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 1: had a silver head helmet, haven't they. If they ever

1382
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 1: worn anything other than a silver helmet, they had, and

1383
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:18,560
Speaker 1: they had like the full silver originally. Yeah, there's the

1384
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 1: old like, well, I remember the one that logo we

1385
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 1: saw on hard Knocks. Do that one? Oh man, that

1386
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 1: logo is so good. Yeah. Yeah, So like they had

1387
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 1: the Barry Sanders one where they were the bright blue

1388
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,560
Speaker 1: with just the silver helmets, like on like a Thanksgiving

1389
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 1: date exactly. That thing's unbelievable. Yeah. I like the lion

1390
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 1: on the helmet though, I do doo that. I kind

1391
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 1: of like, I mean to me, their uniforms now were

1392
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 1: a modern take on what it used to be, which

1393
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 1: are excellent. And I do think that that there black

1394
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 1: variation because the black and that blue are so good

1395
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,639
Speaker 1: together that those should that should still they should always

1396
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 1: keep a black. They went to the silver one. Yeah,

1397
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 1: I think they should always keep a black one in

1398
01:11:56,240 --> 01:12:00,679
Speaker 1: the mix because those black ones were just so good. Yeah,

1399
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 1: the black with black silver and that bright blue always

1400
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 1: always works. Yeah. So I'm looking at one right now

1401
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 1: where Calvin Johnson had the silver lid, it had a

1402
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 1: black face mask. He had a black jersey with blue

1403
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:17,759
Speaker 1: number numerals outlined in silver and white. They had silver

1404
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 1: pants with blue and white striping that's outlined in a

1405
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:24,720
Speaker 1: black black and then the black sox like that one

1406
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:26,679
Speaker 1: right there, that needs to be in that that needs

1407
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 1: to be in the rotation. Like it doesn't have to

1408
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 1: be the number one, it doesn't have to be a classic,

1409
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:34,599
Speaker 1: but that has to be in the rotation always. It's

1410
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 1: too good. Good, it's too good. Yeah, I wonder what

1411
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 1: alternative could that Calvin Johnson I had that one that

1412
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:49,480
Speaker 1: is so that is such a good uniform. It's beautiful

1413
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 1: and it's not all black, just the jerseys black. I'm

1414
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 1: looking at some of their alternative helmet stuff and there's

1415
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 1: not a whole lot you can do unless you go

1416
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 1: blue blue. Yeah, seems to be like kind of what

1417
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 1: you see. I mean, they have different varying degrees of

1418
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:09,760
Speaker 1: um of silver, like they have a like almost like

1419
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 1: a chrome silver. Do they have a black with the blue? Yeah,

1420
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,600
Speaker 1: it's not much. Yeah, I see a black with like

1421
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 1: the lion is also black, but just outlined in blue,

1422
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 1: lined in blue. A CHROMEI a really chrome, yeah, one

1423
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 1: that they wore a couple of times. Yeah, that's pretty

1424
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 1: much unchanged. I mean it's a silver with that prancing lion,

1425
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 1: which is such a great look. Yeah, I think the

1426
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 1: blue doesn't look good. No, they are, they're excellent uniforms. Yeah,

1427
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 1: it's just one of those things that, like, because they

1428
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:47,679
Speaker 1: haven't won, but if you're redoing a franchise, you would

1429
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:49,560
Speaker 1: who wouldn't want to be lions? Who wouldn't want to

1430
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 1: wear blue and silver? Like it's a win. It's just

1431
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 1: that they haven't done much. Like I'm even looking at

1432
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 1: this black one and I like it, but it looks

1433
01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:03,560
Speaker 1: so much like the Carolina Panthers blacks. They're black helmets. Yeah, yeah, no,

1434
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 1: they'll just keep the silver. I think you put the

1435
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 1: black face mask on the silver when you wear that

1436
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:10,640
Speaker 1: black jersey. That's pretty much all you need. From an

1437
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 1: alternate standpoint. I keep seeing this white one here that's

1438
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 1: got a black lion outline in blue yeah. I think

1439
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 1: it's good. What they've got good, it's just good. There

1440
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 1: is a oh, here's a good one. It's the one

1441
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 1: where they have like that throwback mascot on it silver

1442
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 1: one at the throwback lion mascot where there's no like

1443
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 1: you don't see his arms, like where there's no interior

1444
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 1: highlighting the lion. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's pretty good. I

1445
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 1: don't know, we'll see, but I think it's a it's

1446
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 1: a good look. Ford Field. I've never been to Ford Field.

1447
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 1: What no, man. I saw WrestleMania twenty three there. That

1448
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: was the also the home of the preseason game where

1449
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 1: Freddie called the plays for Baker yep, which led to

1450
01:14:54,960 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 1: that whole in Freddie called plays that's right man, it's

1451
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 1: CBD history. And then we were there for the Bills

1452
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 1: game this year. Yeah. Yeah, so you guys have been

1453
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 1: there a lot. What do you think? Yeah, solid stadium,

1454
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 1: very good. The brick on the inside, the one side's

1455
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 1: got the brick, it's like, it's just it's cool. It's

1456
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 1: a very nice dome. Is it one of the best

1457
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 1: domes in the league. No, but very nice dome. And

1458
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 1: I think the brick on the interior of it makes

1459
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:25,680
Speaker 1: it look really cool and unique. It's an example of

1460
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 1: when you build a dome the things that come with it.

1461
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 1: So since building that place, Super Bowls, WrestleMania's final fours, ye,

1462
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 1: MAC championship games. I can't believe they haven't hosted a

1463
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 1: Big ten championship game at this point, but they will.

1464
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 1: They're going to host college football playoff games once it

1465
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 1: goes to a twelve teen playoff. This has put a

1466
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 1: rough on it. And this is what happens that our

1467
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 1: downtown is way nicer than Detroit's. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I

1468
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 1: haven't been to Detroit and probably ten years I think

1469
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: since I've been. Not sure you're missing much. Brother went

1470
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 1: there to Uh we went there. Uh we did like

1471
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 1: a MGM grand went there one night. This was like

1472
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 1: a decade ago. Went there on like a date night

1473
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 1: one time to drove up and went. It was fine.

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01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 1: We stayed at the MGM. Graham kind of hung around

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01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 1: right there. Um road trip to Detroit. Yeah, yeah, I

1476
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 1: can't say there's anything that's I must do. It's that

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01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 1: maybe hopping across the border in the Windsor Yeah, Windsor's

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01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 1: kind of I remember doing that actually too. We did

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01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 1: one night there one. Maybe that's what we did. I

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01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:34,560
Speaker 1: can't remember, but I do remember the windsor side of

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01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 1: it as well, going across the bridge. I don't that's

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01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 1: that used to be something that was very easy and

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01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 1: now I don't know if it's still that way or not. Yeah,

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01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 1: I don't believe. Um. Yeah, it's fine. It's it's nothing

1485
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 1: that you need to write home about. Must do thing

1486
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 1: on a road trip to Detroit? Is there anything you do?

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01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:56,799
Speaker 1: Nothing right? It's just a city windsor yeah? Yeah, player

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01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 1: you want from their current roster. Oh so I think

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01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 1: there are two answers here, and I think I'm gonna

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01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 1: go Aidan Hutchinson. I want I'm tempted to take Jamison Williams,

1491
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 1: but Aidan Hutchinson's a stunt. If we just said we're

1492
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 1: rolling Adan Hutchinson and Miles and Geartt out there every week,

1493
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:21,599
Speaker 1: I feel like that would be a great thing for us. Yeah,

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01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 1: that would be a pretty great thing. Jamison Williams would

1495
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 1: be a pretty great thing. I mean both of those

1496
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 1: would be just high end, just high end. I think

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01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 1: Williams is going to explode, So so would you take

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01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 1: him or would you take Aidan? I would take Williams

1499
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:40,759
Speaker 1: because I gotta be honest with what am which is weapons, weapons, weapons,

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01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 1: So like I would want him, you put him opposite

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01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 1: Amari in DPJ, you know, and Elijah in the mix

1502
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 1: as well. I mean it, Yeah, Deshan throwing bombs over

1503
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 1: beg Dead to Jamison Williams excites me a great deal.

1504
01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I don't know that he can

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01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 1: have I think he's I don't know if he'll have

1506
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:06,080
Speaker 1: this type of of impact, but I think from an

1507
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 1: athletic profile standpoint, he's probably most similar to Jamar Chase

1508
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 1: in terms of just an explosive athlete. So if he

1509
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 1: can stay healthy and you put him on with a

1510
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 1: quarterback who can sling it, I think he could have

1511
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 1: that type impact on the roster sort. I think if

1512
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 1: he had played last year and been decent, I would

1513
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 1: take him over in Hutchinson to Hutchinson. Just Hutchinson's a

1514
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 1: smart pick. If you go that Garrett Hutchinson for the

1515
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:35,719
Speaker 1: next five to ten, you're locked in. Yeah, you're feeling

1516
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:37,639
Speaker 1: pretty good. And I think he's also he would fit

1517
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 1: I think he would fit Cleveland very well. He would Yeah, yep.

1518
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:50,720
Speaker 1: All time favorite Lion Megatron Barry. Probably you could make

1519
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 1: an argument the two most. I mean, I think Barry

1520
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:57,639
Speaker 1: Sanders is the most freakish running back we've ever had,

1521
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 1: and played largely in obscurity. They had a couple of

1522
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 1: playoff teams. Calvin Johnson's maybe the most dominant physical player

1523
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 1: we've ever had play receiver, Yeah, and played entirely in obscurity. Yeah,

1524
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:15,240
Speaker 1: and I was both of them quit early. I'd add

1525
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 1: another one who had a four year stretch that was

1526
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 1: just incredible was Herman Moore. Herman Moore for forty years

1527
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 1: was and from ninety four to ninety seven was as

1528
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 1: good as anybody who's the receiver opposite him. Wasn't it

1529
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 1: a pereman? Brett Perriman was a Prett pereman. Yeah, Yeah,

1530
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 1: I think it was. Yeah. Towards the end of Barry

1531
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:40,639
Speaker 1: and they were transitioning from Kramer to Scott Mitchell, Barry

1532
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:43,679
Speaker 1: had like a two thousand yard season in there. Berry's

1533
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:45,559
Speaker 1: one of those guys, and Berry kind of disappeared after

1534
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 1: his playing career. Like if if you show, if I

1535
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 1: show like my kids video of Barry Sanders, like on YouTube,

1536
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, that's how he did. Yeah. Yeah, Herman

1537
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 1: Moore in nineteen ninety five. By the way, so Herman

1538
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 1: Moore had three first Team All Pro in a row. Yeah, yeah,

1539
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 1: ninety seven first Team All Pro led league and catches

1540
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 1: two of those years in ninety five one hundred and

1541
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:12,640
Speaker 1: twenty three catches, six hundred and eighty six yards, and

1542
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 1: fourteen touchdowns like in nineteen ninety five. Those are clonkers numbers. Yeah. Uh,

1543
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 1: playoff team, yep, Yeah, absolutely should be. We've gone over

1544
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 1: some of the biggest off season's editions and in the draft,

1545
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 1: they can We talked about this, they can go a

1546
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 1: lot of ways. Right at the top, they can go

1547
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:32,799
Speaker 1: I think obviously to Tim's point, they would go defense

1548
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 1: at six and then whatever falls to them at sixteen

1549
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 1: or eighteen, whatever fall. Yeah. They're a fun team. They are.

1550
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 1: They are They're gonna be They're gonna be a very

1551
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:42,960
Speaker 1: very fun team to watch this year. Ben Johnson did

1552
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 1: a great job with their offense. Aaron glenn Are, a

1553
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:49,240
Speaker 1: good friend of ours and former Brown's cornerback coach back

1554
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 1: under Mike Petton has done a great job as a

1555
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. They're They're gonna be fun. Last year they

1556
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 1: had they were the number five offense and scoring. They

1557
01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 1: were twenty eighth in scoring defense. I mean and Tim

1558
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:02,799
Speaker 1: Twentyman's point earlier. They can just get to the average.

1559
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 1: They're gonna be tough, like they're gonna be a better

1560
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 1: offense this year. I mean, you're subbing Jamison Williams for

1561
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 1: DJ Chart. I mean that's yeah, that's better. Yeah, they

1562
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 1: basically have three first round picks. Is the way that

1563
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 1: this is going to play out. Williams, they were just

1564
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 1: these flashes and that's about it. Fun team to watch.

1565
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 1: I'm I'm thrilled for them from our day's hosting DLD.

1566
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:26,679
Speaker 1: That's a fan base that deserves Motor City. Bring it back, baby.

1567
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 1: Um all right, Coming up next, we'll take a look

1568
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 1: into the association. We know the Cavs matchup, and also

1569
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 1: I don't know that the West in the first I

1570
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 1: don't know that anything in the first round has been

1571
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 1: as good as what the West could be this year.

1572
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 1: We'll get into that coming up next. Briefly, listen to

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01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns Daily on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland Cleveland Browns Daily,

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01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:50,799
Speaker 1: brought to you by Bally Bet. Coming soon to Ohio

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01:21:51,200 --> 01:22:04,599
Speaker 1: on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland Calves in the postseason, will

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01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 1: do so as the four seed against the Knicks. The

1577
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:12,680
Speaker 1: Knicks without Julius Randall, Calves a heavy favorite, as they

1578
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 1: should be to win that first round, and I think

1579
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 1: that's kind of the minimum expectation now for them, especially

1580
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 1: without Randall, that you get to that second round, it

1581
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 1: would be a matchup with Milwaukee most likely than not

1582
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 1: if they get there. Here's what I'm not sure most

1583
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 1: people realize, and I kind of had some awareness of

1584
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 1: it because obviously the Calves are in this game last year,

1585
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 1: but seven through ten is playing in the NBA. So

1586
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 1: what that means is seven will play eight. So in

1587
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:39,760
Speaker 1: my head, for some reason, I thought seven played ten,

1588
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:42,280
Speaker 1: but seven will play eight in what amounts to a

1589
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:45,639
Speaker 1: single elimination or a double elimination between those two teams.

1590
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 1: The winner will be the seven. The eight will then

1591
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:51,240
Speaker 1: have to play the winner of nine ten to be

1592
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:55,440
Speaker 1: the eighth. So that's the setup. So just for perspective

1593
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 1: in the Western Conference, this is where you stand. The

1594
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:00,800
Speaker 1: Lakers are playing the Timberwolves a play in game on

1595
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:03,680
Speaker 1: Tuesday night at ten o'clock. The winners the seventh seed.

1596
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:06,799
Speaker 1: They would host Memphis. Can you imagine the Lakers against

1597
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 1: John Morant. Give it to me Ad and Lebron against

1598
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:13,719
Speaker 1: John Moran in the first round. The loser there would

1599
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 1: be Minnesota. If Minnesota loses, they play the winner of

1600
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 1: the Pelicans of the Thunder for the eight. But the

1601
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 1: Western Conference playoffs Denver versus whatever. That amalgamation would be

1602
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 1: provided the Lakers win. Memphis, La yea, Sacramento Golden State,

1603
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 1: and the four five is the Sons and the Clippers. Yeah,

1604
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:37,800
Speaker 1: it's a lot of star power. Who who do the

1605
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:40,599
Speaker 1: Sons have? How are the Sons the three seed? Kevin Durant,

1606
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I misspoke. The Kings. The Kings

1607
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 1: have Daron Fox and then they've got Sabonis's kid. Oh yeah,

1608
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:54,640
Speaker 1: former pacer saw him in Indiana. Yeah, they've slowly just

1609
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 1: built up. I mean it's not it's just been a

1610
01:23:57,400 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 1: slow built for Doin. They have not played a game

1611
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 1: on ABC since two thousand and two. Three, and they're

1612
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 1: the three seed, and they're heavily underdogs to the Warriors. Yes,

1613
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 1: in that, but I can't recall a first round in

1614
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 1: East or West that good. I mean, Suns Clippers is

1615
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 1: a first round that feels like a Western Final Yeah.

1616
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:20,519
Speaker 1: If it plays out that way, Lakers against Morant and

1617
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:25,599
Speaker 1: then Warriors against Kings, that's really really strong. I mean,

1618
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 1: in the first round, you're gonna have Chris, Paul Booker,

1619
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 1: Durants and Eton against Paul George and Kawhi Leonard. That's

1620
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:36,639
Speaker 1: a first Ron George's George will miss the first round,

1621
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 1: so they're probably losing, so it'll be Kawhi and then

1622
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 1: everything else. But the Clippers are frisky even without George,

1623
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 1: They're frisky. But it be hard press imagine they're not

1624
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:49,719
Speaker 1: being the Suns. Yeah, the Suns. I mean really, on paper,

1625
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,800
Speaker 1: the Sun should probably be the one, right, Yeah, yeah,

1626
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 1: a lot of fire. They've only I think they've all

1627
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:57,680
Speaker 1: lost once with Durant um the Lakers. This will be

1628
01:24:57,720 --> 01:24:59,600
Speaker 1: the first time Lebron will play in front of a

1629
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 1: full house in the postseason since he's been with the Lakers,

1630
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 1: because they won it in the Bubble and then twenty

1631
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 1: twenty one it was eighty five hundred fans because of

1632
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 1: COVID still in California, So this will be the first

1633
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:14,840
Speaker 1: time he's played in front of a full house in

1634
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:18,560
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. When they host on Tuesday night in the

1635
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:22,680
Speaker 1: East in the East, Bucks are the one Celtics. The

1636
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 1: two Celtics will play the it's gonna be Celtics Heat,

1637
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:28,639
Speaker 1: which would be really good. Six It will play Brooklyn.

1638
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 1: So that's the three six heavily heavily favored over Yeah. Yeah,

1639
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:38,599
Speaker 1: yeah they should be. It's a it's a really good,

1640
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 1: really good first round both sides. Yeah. Second round in

1641
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 1: the East is going to be really good, and the

1642
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 1: whole West tournament is gonna be great all every round,

1643
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:53,680
Speaker 1: all the way through. If the star power plays out,

1644
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:57,439
Speaker 1: if you're a television executive and the star plower plays out,

1645
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:02,360
Speaker 1: and you get Warriors Lake in the second round, and

1646
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 1: then Nuggets and Sons in the second round, yeah, pretty good.

1647
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 1: And then you're gonna get Celtics sixers yea and Bucks

1648
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 1: Caps yeah, which will be absolutely Bananza. Feels like there's

1649
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,599
Speaker 1: a really good chance, and I think deservedly so. Donovan

1650
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 1: Mitchell will be a first team All NBA player. First

1651
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:24,840
Speaker 1: he will be just the third Cavalier ever. Lebron James

1652
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 1: is one. Do you know who the who the other

1653
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 1: one is? Lebron James was first Team All NBA, I

1654
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 1: don't know eighty five times. But there's one other cab

1655
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 1: who is at once? I'm gonna guess Mark Price, got it.

1656
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:43,760
Speaker 1: Let's nineteen ninety three. Good job of of you. Mark

1657
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 1: Price was first Team All NBA in nineteen ninety three,

1658
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 1: so that had to be the year after Magic Magic's

1659
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:52,280
Speaker 1: out yea, so I had to be him and Jordan

1660
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:53,760
Speaker 1: had to be the backcourt on the first team All

1661
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 1: NBA and ninety three. Yeah, good job out of you.

1662
01:26:57,240 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 1: All right, We're back tomorrow for more fun, the next level.

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