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Speaker 1: Hello Sunshine, Hey, bright Side Besties.

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Speaker 2: Today on the bright Side, Jessica Bielle joins us to

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Speaker 2: talk about her new book, all about periods her acting

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Speaker 2: and producing career. Yeah, we're getting into it. It's Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: May fifteenth.

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Speaker 3: I'm Simone Boyce, I'm Danielle Robe and this is the

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Speaker 3: bright Side from Hello Sunshine, Simon. I cannot wait to

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Speaker 3: open the show with this big titty cookies.

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Speaker 4: I love the sound of this.

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Speaker 1: This is what we're talking about today.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, let's get into it.

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Speaker 3: So I have to tell you I've been using your trick.

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Speaker 3: You know how last week on the Mother's Day episode,

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Speaker 3: you taught everybody that's saying the word radiant makes you smile. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's fabulous. I've been sharing it with my friends.

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Speaker 4: It's so good. Right, Oh, I'd love to hear that.

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Speaker 3: One of my friends said, that's how I feel about

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Speaker 3: the word titties.

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Speaker 4: It's so true. You can't help but smile when you

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Speaker 4: say titty.

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Speaker 1: Exacty, so big titty cookies.

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Speaker 3: But we actually have news behind this because cookbook author

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Speaker 3: Molly Baz is speaking out after a Times Square billboard

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Speaker 3: of her promoting lactation cookies sparked major controversy. And before

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Speaker 3: I jump into what that is, I do have to

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Speaker 3: tell you I just learned what lactation cookies are because

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Speaker 3: of this moment. They are cookies with ingredients in them

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Speaker 3: that promote lactation.

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Speaker 1: Simone, did you use these?

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Speaker 2: I did try some lactation cookies. There's this one ingredient.

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Speaker 2: It's called fen Greek. It's a seed and that's in

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Speaker 2: a lot of these lactation recipes. Jury's still out as

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Speaker 2: to whether it actually works. But when a lot of

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Speaker 2: women are trying to lactate more, it's worth a shot.

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Speaker 4: You're like willing to try anything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Basically, what happened is she developed these lactation cookies with

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Speaker 3: a breastfeeding startup called Swell, and it's a really cute ad.

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Speaker 3: You see her big pregnant belly which is exposed and

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Speaker 1: And it was supposed to be in Times Square for

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Speaker 3: After a few days it was on under review, it

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Speaker 3: ultimately was replaced with a photo of her that was

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Speaker 3: quote unquote approved content her and a crop top. Basically,

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Speaker 3: but everyone on the internet was upset, including Molly, because

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Speaker 3: all of these billboards surrounding hers of ads with Calvin

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Speaker 3: Klein and lingerie brands exposing very naked people are allowed

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Speaker 2: I can only imagine how upsetting this was for her.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, and we talked about this, Danielle,

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Speaker 2: this is probably the best thing that could happen to Molly.

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Speaker 2: And also this company Swell because I remember you telling

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Speaker 2: me about these lactation cookies and I was like, oh, cool,

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Speaker 2: you know great lactation cookies. You know, there are a

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Speaker 2: lot of recipes out there that can help spur lactation,

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Speaker 2: get the milk to flow. But then when I heard

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Speaker 4: Let's go.

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Speaker 3: I just can't help but think of the breastfeeding in

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Speaker 3: then there were a bunch of people who found breasts

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Speaker 3: And I feel like her pregnant belly and her breasts

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Speaker 3: Was such a cute ad.

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Speaker 2: There was nothing sexual or graphic about it to me.

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Speaker 2: She was wearing a bikini first of all, underneath this,

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Speaker 2: And then when you think about the ads that it

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Speaker 2: far more sexual, like that doesn't get taken down, that

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Speaker 3: You know, there's something about this billboard being taken down

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Speaker 3: And this isn't the first time that there's been issues.

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Speaker 3: I actually learned because of this moment that it wasn't

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Speaker 3: But women's health is censored, and I think we've all

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Speaker 2: In terms of the feminine hygiene ads. Yeah, there was

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Speaker 2: that was deemed too graphic by the Academy of Motion

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Speaker 2: Picture Arts and Sciences. And this is the crazy thing.

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Speaker 2: This is how whoever is making these decisions, like the

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Speaker 2: like political candidates, religious or faith based messages, guns, gun shows, ammunition,

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Speaker 2: adult diapers, condoms or hemorrhoid remedies. Feminine hygiene products were

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Speaker 2: placed in the same category as ammunition.

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Speaker 1: I feel like adult diapers should not be there either.

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Speaker 1: People need those.

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Speaker 2: I honestly I'm confounded, like I don't get it, Like

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Speaker 2: why is this so upsetting to you? And when I

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Speaker 2: Like this is just our bodies, This is how we're

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Speaker 2: just existing, okay, Danielle. Another thing that has me feeling

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Speaker 2: in People magazine where a newlywed A asks if she's

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Speaker 4: To me, this is like a I'm breaking out in

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Speaker 2: Wait, why I think it's deceptive for him to be

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Speaker 4: Like, I think there's a lot of pressure on.

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Speaker 2: Men to deliver with the ring, right, Like it's it's

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Speaker 2: a lot of pressure, and I think a lot of

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Speaker 4: It's not about the ring.

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Speaker 2: So I get that many men or partners are struggling

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Speaker 2: to find the money to pay for these rings. Right. However,

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Speaker 2: to not ask your future wife if she's okay splitting

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Speaker 2: the cost of the ring, that to me is the

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Speaker 1: Red flag.

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Speaker 2: I also, just like, for the record, I would not

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Speaker 2: be Okay, splitter ring like that is your gift to me.

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Speaker 2: If you're subscribing to traditional gender roles in America, that

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Speaker 2: is your gift to me. It's a present. You will

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Speaker 2: pay for it. It is a present.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing, the lie.

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Speaker 3: I'm with you, huge red flag. You cannot start a

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Speaker 3: we want chivalry. Not that those things are mutually exclusive.

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Speaker 3: You can have both. But if we are wanting to

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Speaker 3: be fifty to fifty financial partners, shouldn't we also set

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Speaker 1: Something about it just doesn't seem right.

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Speaker 3: Feels like back in the day we were being traded

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Speaker 3: we're in the same system.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you, you know, I love to burn

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Speaker 2: work to be done there. However, it does not sound like,

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna let her speak for herself.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So she says We have been having some arguments lately,

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Speaker 2: and he feels that ring is a wedding expense and

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Speaker 2: it's only fair that I contribute towards it too. So

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Speaker 2: that's what you were saying, and that as a woman

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Speaker 2: He expects me to apologize him because I called his

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Speaker 2: actions tacky and his decisions scammy, and in bad face,

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Speaker 2: she is scammy. I hope she actually she actually called

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Speaker 3: I want to say, it is kind of scammy. If

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Speaker 3: Is this redeemable in your eyes?

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Speaker 4: I don't know this. This is a big one.

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Speaker 2: It also sounds like, look, I think most things are

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Speaker 2: things in a marriage. You know what, Danielle, this is

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Speaker 2: such a controversial topic. You've made some really good points

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Speaker 1: Let's call in the reserves. We need a male perspective here.

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Speaker 2: Hold on, let me call him real quick. Well, okay,

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Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen, we have my husband, Michael Lloyd Green

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Speaker 2: of their joint a count without her knowledge. Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: She called him TACKI and scammy. We're having a debate

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't go so far as to say neil breaker,

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Speaker 5: but it's certainly something that I think is, you know,

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Speaker 5: good reason. I mean, that's more than just a big

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Speaker 6: But that's a tough way to start things out.

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Speaker 4: You would never do this to me, babe.

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Speaker 6: No, no way in hell. Also, I just know you'd

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Speaker 2: That's the truth. Well, there you have it, folks. That's

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Speaker 2: that's that's what would happen if if you pulled it

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Speaker 2: on me. I love you, babe, thank you, But oh

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Speaker 2: my god, there you have it.

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Speaker 4: Folks, don't try this at home.

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Speaker 1: We wish them the best.

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Speaker 2: Up next, Jessica bial is talking why two K trends,

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Speaker 2: what it means to be a boy mom, and why

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Speaker 4: That's after the.

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Speaker 3: Break Welcome back today, Jessica Bale is hanging out with

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Speaker 3: us on the bright side.

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Speaker 1: Jessica's been a household name for decades.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I grew up watching her, and I'm in

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Speaker 3: awe of how gracefully she's moved from teenage superstardom to

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Speaker 3: a hugely successful career as an actress and producer. Jessica

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jessica recently partnered with the nonprofit company Period to

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Speaker 2: write a kid's book about periods and changing bodies too. Literally,

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Speaker 2: everything I wish I had in a book as a preteen. Jessica,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the bright Side. Hello, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: We're very happy to have you. You are bright and sunny

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I want to talk about periods. Yes, period

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Speaker 3: Well, I love that the book felt really digestible for preteen.

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Speaker 7: I actually think it's even more important for people who

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Speaker 4: We're back, Jessica.

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Speaker 2: You've been in showbiz since you were fourteen years old,

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Speaker 2: to prove yourself as a producer.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, absolutely. It was basically like starting over on

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Speaker 7: some level. Also, it was during a time where nobody

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Speaker 7: cared about women's stories. Yeah, female storytelling wasn't really that

447
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Speaker 7: really wasn't happening. Was way before me too, way before

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Speaker 7: you know, we really had this amazing runway.

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Speaker 6: For powerful, complex female stories.

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Speaker 7: So it just wasn't the right time either, and we

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Speaker 7: were fighting against all the elements and it was a

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Speaker 7: very humbling experience, and it is it still continues to

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Speaker 7: be humbling. I don't find that my industry or being

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Speaker 7: an actor or producer is easy in any shape, way,

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Speaker 7: shape or form. It is so much blood, sweat and

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Speaker 7: tears that you put into getting these projects made, and

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Speaker 7: so many of the things we work on never ever

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Speaker 7: come to your fruition. And I feel like most producers

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Speaker 7: would say the same thing, that they have that experience,

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Speaker 7: and it's very hard. And also in my own just

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Speaker 7: sort of separating my company from my own acting career,

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Speaker 7: it's the same thing. I am fighting for those roles

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Speaker 7: that I really want and auditioning and not getting them,

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Speaker 7: still hearing nose like a lot of no's. It's a

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Speaker 7: humbling business all around, and I think it might always

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Speaker 7: be that way.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Your project, Crulth Summer is set in y two K.

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Speaker 3: Simone and I are obsessed with the Y two K era.

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Speaker 1: Uh, you are also a teen icon of that era.

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Speaker 3: Like when people think of Y two K, they think

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Speaker 3: of you for sure. Do you ever get nostalgic for

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Speaker 3: that time?

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Speaker 6: I do.

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Speaker 7: I do get nostalgic for that time because it was simpler. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: and maybe that sounds crazy to people who didn't experience it,

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Speaker 7: but we didn't even have We barely had a cell

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Speaker 7: phone at that point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, butterfly clips and chokers.

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Speaker 4: That was it.

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Speaker 7: We didn't need anything else crop crop tops.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, like clips, chokers, and a pager.

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Speaker 7: That's it. Yes, I need anything else but a pager

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Speaker 7: and a beeper. You know, when I was coming up

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Speaker 7: in that time in this industry, there was like teen

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Speaker 7: Beat and Tiger and these like you know, fun magazines,

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Speaker 7: and yeah, sometimes your picture showed up in there or

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Speaker 7: it was like fun to be in those mags. There

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Speaker 7: wasn't this crazy paparazzi kind of thing. There wasn't everyone

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Speaker 7: with a camera on their phone. Like we said, there

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Speaker 7: weren't even real phones back then. So when I got

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Speaker 7: into this business, that wasn't a part of it. It

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Speaker 7: wasn't really part of the culture.

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Speaker 4: Of it.

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Speaker 7: And I've definitely had conversations with people who said, well,

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Speaker 7: you know, you know when you got into this business,

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Speaker 7: so that's part of your life. And I was like, no, no,

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Speaker 7: hold on that. That actually wasn't a part of our life.

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Speaker 6: Back then. It didn't exist.

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Speaker 7: That technology didn't really exist. And as you know, we

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Speaker 7: got into Y two K and then we got into

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Speaker 7: the two thousands, that was a much bigger beast to

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Speaker 7: contend with.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, it was just simpler times.

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Speaker 7: Things were just easier and you know, the dial up

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Speaker 7: internet you can find everything.

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Speaker 1: Feel like that was.

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Speaker 3: I guess I'm wondering, like what era you're in right

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Speaker 3: now because that was your HY two K era?

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Speaker 1: Where is Jessica Bielle now?

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Speaker 7: Mom working? I'm in working mom era. That's definitely the

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Speaker 7: way it feels, and it's it's a great era.

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Speaker 6: I like this era.

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Speaker 7: It's not without a ton of challenges, but it's cool.

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Speaker 7: I like being busy, and I've I've been working professionally

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Speaker 7: for so long. I don't really know anything else. So

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Speaker 7: for me, it's it's cool to be balancing everything. I've

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Speaker 7: always been balancing everything. You talked about still weathering all

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Speaker 7: these no's it is. It is a tough business. But

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Speaker 7: what keeps you going in the face of all that rejection? Like,

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Speaker 7: what's your why? That's you guys are good. These are

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Speaker 7: really good questions.

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Speaker 6: My why is that we cannot.

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Speaker 7: Stop fighting for the stories that need to be told.

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Speaker 7: Storytelling is my life and it always has been and

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Speaker 7: all it's part of all of us. We're all storytellers

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Speaker 7: and no matter what we do, truly, I mean, it's

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Speaker 7: like ancient inside of us. That's how we've always passed information.

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Speaker 7: And I think, especially being a part of like a

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Speaker 7: female tribe, that's part of what we do for.

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Speaker 6: Our members in our tribe.

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Speaker 7: And I just get so tickled when we actually make

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Speaker 7: something and it's good and people like it and it

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Speaker 7: speaks to someone and they see the world in a

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Speaker 7: different way or they get inspired, or even if they

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00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 7: hate it, there's something that's okay too. Right, we're talking,

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Speaker 7: we're having conversation, We're having dialogue about creativity. I have

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Speaker 7: to be creative in my life, and I just I

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Speaker 7: think the why is that I love I love telling

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Speaker 7: stories and I don't know how not to do that.

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Speaker 4: Jessica, we love you. Keep creating, Keep telling stories. Thanks

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Speaker 4: so much for coming on the bright side.

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Speaker 7: Thank you for having me, and you're making this world

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Speaker 7: a brighter place too.

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Speaker 6: So much much, much love to you.

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Speaker 2: Jessica Biel is the author of a kid's book about

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Speaker 2: periods Out Now.

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Speaker 3: That's it for today's show. Tomorrow on the bright Side,

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Speaker 3: Carrie Champion, it's here with us. She's a sports journalist

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Speaker 3: and podcast host.

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Speaker 2: Listen and follow the bright Side on the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Simone Voice.

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Speaker 2: You can find me at simone Voice on Instagram and TikTok.

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Speaker 3: I'm Danielle Robe on Instagram and TikTok.

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Speaker 1: That's r O b A. Y. See you tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Keep looking on the bright side.