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Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us well. It's
Speaker 1: the Draft Show once again from the two thousand and
Speaker 1: sixteen NFL Combine here in Indianapolis. Lucas Oil Stadium has
Speaker 1: been our home here now for the last several days
Speaker 1: as we physically get workouts being done on the field.
Speaker 1: It's been a whirldwind day for my colleagues, Dame Brugler
Speaker 1: from CBS Sports and from Dallascowboys dot Com. David Hellman
Speaker 1: as well, Uh from Dallascowboys dot Com. And then once
Speaker 1: again my favorite Brit mister Turner. How are you doing today, sir?
Speaker 1: I'm doing right well. Thank you. My first good night's
Speaker 1: sleep last night. Sorry, favorite, he's my favorite Brit. About John,
Speaker 1: They're all I have a bunch of favorite, but he's
Speaker 1: my favorite scouting brit. Okkak, I got you so yeah.
Speaker 1: So Dan Turner once again joins the program and uh, guys.
Speaker 1: We we've talked about it. Everybody's allowed kind of dragging
Speaker 1: a little bit right now. I mean, don't don't lump
Speaker 1: me in there with that, you know, when we lump
Speaker 1: you in the dragons. I just I just wrote this
Speaker 1: awesome Miles Jack feature. I'm are you pumped about molest Jack?
Speaker 1: I am pumped about Miles Jack. Okay, well we'll get
Speaker 1: to Mommy. I'm easily swayed though. Like basically, every time
Speaker 1: I go watch a guy talk, if he's good, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: get him. That's why I'll get That's why I need
Speaker 1: to kind of replace you in our scouting rotation, because
Speaker 1: because my man will he will ride the roller coaster ride,
Speaker 1: like we talk about, the bar goes from his lap,
Speaker 1: he holds his hands up and he screams as we
Speaker 1: go through the ride. There. But I and I was
Speaker 1: saying tired because every time we turn around there was
Speaker 1: something and that's the exciting part. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: things going on with the workouts. You're trying to pay
Speaker 1: attention to the workouts a little bit. You're trying to
Speaker 1: see what these running backs are doing, what the offensive
Speaker 1: lines doing. Uh, you know, then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: like Dave says, somebody gets called to the podium and
Speaker 1: then and then the direction of the story goes another way.
Speaker 1: And then we had a lot of storylines today. This
Speaker 1: is a great event for somebody with add Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stories going going on here and
Speaker 1: uh but let's let's let's cover the ones. And by
Speaker 1: the way, you know, we always encourage you to reach
Speaker 1: out to the Draft show. At the Draft show, Dave
Speaker 1: is going to go through like we did last night,
Speaker 1: and like we do all the time, go through the
Speaker 1: Twitter questions, try and find some uh, you know, questions
Speaker 1: that are suitable for the draft. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: have cowboy questions and all that, maybe that's another day
Speaker 1: for another show. We got plenty of those on the
Speaker 1: platform as well on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Try and
Speaker 1: keep things to the draft. You know, we'll answer as
Speaker 1: many of those as we can. Dave will go through them,
Speaker 1: h and then we will we'll discuss I also, like
Speaker 1: I said, want to talk about out you know a
Speaker 1: little bit about the workouts that we saw today, you know,
Speaker 1: and and you know, the offensive line, the running backs.
Speaker 1: It's really easy for me to do this. Dame but
Speaker 1: is there anything that stood out with the offensive line?
Speaker 1: And I'll tell I'm gonna throw a storyline at you
Speaker 1: a little bit. You know, we're talking about the these
Speaker 1: offensive tackles and and how that you know, we all
Speaker 1: have tounsl up here, But did any of these offensive
Speaker 1: tackles close the gap? And maybe not to Tounsil, but
Speaker 1: did it change maybe how you think the others will
Speaker 1: fall behind Tounsl with the way some of these workouts went.
Speaker 1: I think, uh, we talked about this yesterday, but Spriggs
Speaker 1: from Indiana, he'd performed really well during the athletic drills
Speaker 1: and I think that only helps his case as a
Speaker 1: possible first round pick. That's something we heard a lot
Speaker 1: of in Mobile during Senior Bowl week, and I think
Speaker 1: he's continued to positive momentum here. I don't think you
Speaker 1: or I or uh, you knows a few others that
Speaker 1: aren't sold on him as a first round player. But
Speaker 1: with this I thoticism you know mentioned Lane Johnson kind
Speaker 1: of a similar type of there's some similarities there, and
Speaker 1: so I think that's what's really gonna help him jump
Speaker 1: into the first round. And then Cody White Hare you
Speaker 1: know Cody at sixteen reps on the bench, you know.
Speaker 1: And we talked about the bench yesterday and how that
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily translate to the next level as much as
Speaker 1: some of these other drills, and so Cody needed some
Speaker 1: positive numbers just to kind of regain some of that momentum,
Speaker 1: and he did. In the three cone drill, he had
Speaker 1: one of the best time seven three two, And so
Speaker 1: I thought Cody white Hair helped himself. Yeah, Davis, I
Speaker 1: know you were running around maybe okay, some stories any
Speaker 1: other thing. I mean, did you get a chance to
Speaker 1: see the workouts like you wanted to at all? Or
Speaker 1: I know you were running around doing a lot of
Speaker 1: different things. I cast an eye on the running backs
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah. I mean Zeke threw up a four
Speaker 1: four six. Thought that was awesome, which I meant to
Speaker 1: ask you. That's how you signed off last night. You
Speaker 1: were hoping that he would blow people away with his time.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about it? You know what I
Speaker 1: felt like that that's kind of what we had as
Speaker 1: a time that four four five. If i'm you know,
Speaker 1: we all we all had four four five. I had
Speaker 1: a have several scouts in the actual of the workouts,
Speaker 1: So I was worried what TV times were coming off
Speaker 1: as opposed to what and and his second time was
Speaker 1: actually in the four fives. You know, A scout text
Speaker 1: me back and said, first range was a four four six.
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, that's kind of what TV saying.
Speaker 1: And then the second one, and then I went back
Speaker 1: and even did it you know with Henry. You know,
Speaker 1: in his times, we thought that Henry on the Draft show,
Speaker 1: we talked about him being a four or five four
Speaker 1: type of a guy. That's that they had the four
Speaker 1: five seven range on him. So you know, these guys
Speaker 1: ran about what we thought. But I could be honest
Speaker 1: with you guys, I thought that we were going to
Speaker 1: see that Zeke would run better. I thought you were
Speaker 1: gonna see maybe a low four four two four four.
Speaker 1: Oh you know, but we got that from Urban from
Speaker 1: the little guy from a from But when we would
Speaker 1: we talked about yesterday with Derick Henry, Uh, the forties great.
Speaker 1: You know, we knew he was going to run fairly
Speaker 1: well for a guy that size was about the three
Speaker 1: cone and his shuttles, right, and that's where Henry struggled
Speaker 1: and the three cones. Yeah, the fourth worst time at
Speaker 1: seven point two. Uh, you know only you know there's
Speaker 1: a couple of full backs that did worse, but you
Speaker 1: know that That's really the sticking point with Henry is
Speaker 1: when he's in the backfield, can he stretch out those
Speaker 1: long legs and make something happen create on his own?
Speaker 1: We know he can stretch out those legs in the
Speaker 1: open field at the second level keep going, But in
Speaker 1: short area can he do the same type of thing?
Speaker 1: And the three cone drill backs up what we saw
Speaker 1: on tape. Yeah, and you're one of the big fans
Speaker 1: of the three cone drill. It's something you're pushing out.
Speaker 1: I don't want to know how you do in space,
Speaker 1: and not just space but also tight areas. You know,
Speaker 1: can you you have the change of direction, the footwork
Speaker 1: that's needed at the three cone drill. You can't hide
Speaker 1: from that drill. It will expose you if you are
Speaker 1: a stiff at fleet in So we saw a little
Speaker 1: bit of that with Derrick Henry Danny. Well, just going
Speaker 1: back to the offensive lineman quickly, I had Jack Conklin
Speaker 1: as my number two offensive lineman in this past before,
Speaker 1: before to day, ahead of Ronnie Stanley, and today just
Speaker 1: exaggerated that from me because Stanley had Stanley performed really poorly.
Speaker 1: He was near the bottom of the three cone he
Speaker 1: ran a slow forty time, and Jack Conklin run the
Speaker 1: third fastest three cone. He ran a five second flat
Speaker 1: forty yard dash. I mean, he put twenty five reps
Speaker 1: on the bench press yesterday, and to me, that just
Speaker 1: reaffirms what we see on table almost And it's not
Speaker 1: just the it's not just the athleticism and the strength
Speaker 1: of this. It's almost it's also the desire. I mean,
Speaker 1: Jack Conklin just just wants it more when he when
Speaker 1: you see him running that forty yard dash, He's putting
Speaker 1: every ounce of effort into that. And Ronnie Stanley it's
Speaker 1: just almost lackadaiser good at times. He just so Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know what answer I'm going to get from this man, though,
Speaker 1: But in the reason I opened with that because I'm
Speaker 1: thinking that maybe that you were going to talk about
Speaker 1: Conklin in relation to Decker, you know, Ohio State, and
Speaker 1: I know that you've always get on me about that.
Speaker 1: Why would you have Decker? And again I'm not letting
Speaker 1: this come. I'm not letting the numbers, but I'm just saying, though,
Speaker 1: are there things that you saw on tape that made
Speaker 1: you think that, well, hey, Jack Conklin can do? Can
Speaker 1: you know? And is he is he in the pecking
Speaker 1: order of those of those offensive linemen behind Tunsil? Is
Speaker 1: Jack Conklin maybe putting his name into into the hat
Speaker 1: of a potential guy to be taken ahead of one
Speaker 1: of those guys? I think, I mean that's fair. Before
Speaker 1: we came to the combine, that was something that was
Speaker 1: already on the table, and that's a good good Depending
Speaker 1: on who you talk to different teams, Conklin's weird and
Speaker 1: the fact that there's I don't think there's a consensus
Speaker 1: around the league on him. You know, some teams really
Speaker 1: excited what he can do, some little lukewarm, and so
Speaker 1: we'll see moving forward. Um, not to overreact or underreallize
Speaker 1: with what happened at the combine, but we'll see moving
Speaker 1: forward the next few weeks, you know, would catch up
Speaker 1: with some of these NFL teams, what if Conklin did here,
Speaker 1: if that helped him at all, or if they still
Speaker 1: view him as the third or fourth best tackle. David.
Speaker 1: This is a very I love this conversation because it
Speaker 1: prevents a very interesting dichotomy. Uh, because I mean, we're
Speaker 1: the offensive lineman doing and I know they worked out
Speaker 1: today Laramie tuns Will talk you talked yesterday, right, yes,
Speaker 1: very yeah, and I'll did a very good job. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But it's it's interesting to me because I'm sitting here
Speaker 1: thinking we've got some fantastic going on here in the hallways.
Speaker 1: Um No, it's just interesting to me that, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Tunsil's there, Conklin Decker, We've talked about these guys, but today,
Speaker 1: you know, from my standpoint as a Dallas Cowboys staff writer,
Speaker 1: we got a look at probably the first two guys
Speaker 1: that I think are really realistic options at number four
Speaker 1: over all for the Cowboys. Yeah, and that's Joey Bosa
Speaker 1: and and then Miles chat later on today. Um and
Speaker 1: and that's what I love about this show is that
Speaker 1: you know you can get both of those things where
Speaker 1: you know, these are all important issues, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: in determining the pecking order in the first round of
Speaker 1: the draft, and you got you know, you're you're figuring
Speaker 1: out that type of stuff. Is it realistic to think
Speaker 1: Tunzel's the Cowboys pick? I don't think so. Is it
Speaker 1: realistic to think that Elliott is their pick. I don't
Speaker 1: really think so either. Um, So, you know, we're learning
Speaker 1: about everybody and anybody and then at the same time
Speaker 1: you got to investigate and educate here, but you get
Speaker 1: to zero in two on on these other two guys anyways,
Speaker 1: So that that was the interesting takeaway that I had.
Speaker 1: And for those that didn't already know this, Larrmy Tounsel
Speaker 1: decided not to perform any of the agility drills. He
Speaker 1: did to the positional drills, right, but for whatever reason
Speaker 1: decided not to do the forty or any of those
Speaker 1: other drills. So he's gonna do those at his pro day.
Speaker 1: Be an interesting day. They're in Oxford, Mississippi, a lot
Speaker 1: of people traveling. There'll be a lot of guys working
Speaker 1: that day. How Candy, Yeah, I sort of. I've taken
Speaker 1: this at face value for probably a month now. I
Speaker 1: think Laramie Tunsil is the number one pick in this draft.
Speaker 1: He's the best player in this draft. And you've been
Speaker 1: saying that first Friday that did this, We we still
Speaker 1: feel that way, and that honestly, like and you kind
Speaker 1: of get into your own headspace where you just take
Speaker 1: things as fact, you know, and I haven't thought about
Speaker 1: Joey Bosa as a number one pick in weeks and
Speaker 1: people were asking him about that today and I was like,
Speaker 1: do people think that is that? You know? And so
Speaker 1: I want to get y'all's opinion on that. Yeah, go ahead, day, Well, no,
Speaker 1: I think that's to me, Bosa is one of the
Speaker 1: top four to five players in this draft. So I
Speaker 1: think he's in that conversation. I think it just goes
Speaker 1: not necessarily is he the best player? But Tennessee, do
Speaker 1: they want an offensive tackle when they had just drafted
Speaker 1: Lawan in the first round two years ago? Or do
Speaker 1: they want more of a defensive impact guy like a
Speaker 1: Bosa or a Ramsey, uh you know? Or could they
Speaker 1: shock us all and take a line an off ball
Speaker 1: linebacker like Miles Jacket number one? So you know, I
Speaker 1: don't Tunsil makes the most sense because not only does
Speaker 1: he fit a need protecting uh Mariota there in Tennessee.
Speaker 1: But as much as I loved Tunsel, as clean as
Speaker 1: he is on the field, off the field, there's you know,
Speaker 1: there could be some concerns there. Kimdici revealed today that
Speaker 1: tuns was with him when that incident came down. When
Speaker 1: he uh, when Kimdici was arrested that night in December
Speaker 1: for marijuana possession. Right and not that you know, Tunsil
Speaker 1: is old enough to be making these own decisions on himself.
Speaker 1: It's you know, we don't know enough yet to really speculate,
Speaker 1: but you just never know with these types of types
Speaker 1: of things, that team could shy away from another player
Speaker 1: and go towards another. And he was talking about Bosa.
Speaker 1: He has his own h things that he has to
Speaker 1: answer for it with NFL teams. He was a little
Speaker 1: coy about it with the media, said, you know what,
Speaker 1: all when one on one I'll discuss my suspension with
Speaker 1: NFL teams. And it didn't really feel much there. But
Speaker 1: I thought Bosa was a great interview today today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Bosa's the first time I got to see him speak.
Speaker 1: And I was talking to some teams though a little earlier,
Speaker 1: well late last night, about they're digging on him hard.
Speaker 1: I mean on Bosa they're trying to figure out in
Speaker 1: today that today was interesting to watch him interact and
Speaker 1: and you're right, I thought he did a really nice
Speaker 1: job as far as handling the questions and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: The guy to me that came off really well of
Speaker 1: all the potential problem guys, was Noah Spense. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: the one guy. But you know why he came off
Speaker 1: so well because his his transgressions were so long ago
Speaker 1: that he's had time to say hey, yeah, and he
Speaker 1: stands up there they're all out there. Yeah, they're all
Speaker 1: out there in the high front. Yeah. And he's and
Speaker 1: he's kind of like he's like, hey, I've already lived this.
Speaker 1: I've already you know. You you can ask me any
Speaker 1: questions you want, and I'll tell you about what my program,
Speaker 1: what I went through, what I have to do every day,
Speaker 1: what you know. He he's the one that came after me.
Speaker 1: If you if if he's talking like dad, if I'm
Speaker 1: sitting in a room and he's sitting across from me
Speaker 1: and he's telling me the story about his problems a
Speaker 1: year and a half ago, and I'm going, this guy
Speaker 1: sounds clean, right, this guy? You know, I mean, we
Speaker 1: are we are we missing I was getting I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: as we as a team, you know this guy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And by the way, the thing another thing about Noah
Speaker 1: Spense todays, which was quite strange, was he measured him
Speaker 1: with thirty three inch arms at the senior bold What
Speaker 1: did he measure him with thirty two inch arms? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I know it's only one inch, but that's probably
Speaker 1: the difference between I've been a three four outside linebacker
Speaker 1: and a guy who's potentially put his hand on the
Speaker 1: dirt and a four three. So so that actually really
Speaker 1: intrigued me today as well. And like like you say
Speaker 1: about the about the interview, I love these guys who
Speaker 1: who can take accountability for what they do. They don't
Speaker 1: make excuses, they just and we've seen it a few times.
Speaker 1: He saw it with them DeMarcus Robinson yesterday. And again
Speaker 1: I don't really know if he if he's going to
Speaker 1: turn away from it, but but I do quite I
Speaker 1: do prefer that in a player than the ones who
Speaker 1: may make excuses. Another Spence isn't making any excuses. It's old.
Speaker 1: He just he has he has ald his issues out.
Speaker 1: And that was kind of the issue with Kim Dici today.
Speaker 1: He sure it's he was kind of a weird interview
Speaker 1: because at some points he used the words uncharacteristic and embarrassing.
Speaker 1: But then on the other hand, he you know, at
Speaker 1: one point he said he blamed the media, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the exact quote was, the media has done a tarnish
Speaker 1: to my name. Um. And so you know, with Kim Dici,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not completely sold that he's going to
Speaker 1: be doing what all he needs to do. And we're
Speaker 1: in these interviews with teams to convince them that, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't have to worry about me off
Speaker 1: the field. I'm worth the pick he remains, and I
Speaker 1: think he'll, you know, through the rest of the process,
Speaker 1: he'll remain a wild card in this draft class. I mean,
Speaker 1: Combine interviews are pretty intense for the most part anyway.
Speaker 1: But Spence, Kim Dici, and Jayleen Smith today, Yeah, talk
Speaker 1: about Smith a little bit today. Just in general, it
Speaker 1: was three of the more tough interviews I've been around,
Speaker 1: especially Spence. I mean it was probably eight in a
Speaker 1: row that was like, was it ecstasy? How many times
Speaker 1: was it ecstasy? Getting tested? Are you addicted? Were you addicted?
Speaker 1: You use it as a crutch. I was just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Like, this is brutal. And Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: was the same way about his injury and how far
Speaker 1: that he's come from it and what that. Yeah, Jayden's
Speaker 1: is painful to Walt trip. He's just because you could
Speaker 1: tell he was trying to he was trying to convince
Speaker 1: It was almost like he was trying to convince himself
Speaker 1: that it wasn't as serious as as he thought. He
Speaker 1: said it wasn't enough damage. But some of the reporters
Speaker 1: were asking questions like, wait a minute, we've seen you
Speaker 1: now in a boot that it helps you know, and
Speaker 1: he said, well, the boot, the special boot was or
Speaker 1: the brace was to help me walk and he's really
Speaker 1: only what now, just now walking a week ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the big thing with Jalen Smith, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of reports out there that he's not gonna play
Speaker 1: this year because of nerve damage with his ankle and
Speaker 1: his knee. We can't believe anything right now. It's too early.
Speaker 1: He's seven weeks out from surgery. Uh, he's going to
Speaker 1: be back here for the medical rechecks. That's when we'll
Speaker 1: find out. Okay, that's usually the beginning of April. Beginning
Speaker 1: of April, about a month outside of the draft. We've
Speaker 1: got a better idea, a better feel for his rehab
Speaker 1: process and when he'll actually be able to get on
Speaker 1: the field. Um. But you know, nonetheless, it's it's not
Speaker 1: a positive thing, but Jalen was he was still positive
Speaker 1: about it. He says, he still thinks he'll go top ten. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's gonna be interesting to see if that happens. Though.
Speaker 1: You know, the doctors here, he said, not really not
Speaker 1: getting an opportunity to pull and push and do all that.
Speaker 1: But a guy that did get push. I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: who are you talking about, Yes, Miles Jet or on
Speaker 1: the other end of the spectrum with him, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Miles Jet would give. I would love to be able
Speaker 1: to see that, like to actually just I just want
Speaker 1: to watch him do what they do to these guys
Speaker 1: these medical tests. He's sitting. There's an intense deal now,
Speaker 1: and that's sa And you know the thing about it,
Speaker 1: the way this works, and this is from my experience
Speaker 1: of being in that room, it's just not one team.
Speaker 1: They have a cluster of teams. So there might be
Speaker 1: five doctors, you know, each team has they're represented, and
Speaker 1: then they might have two doctors in there. So you're
Speaker 1: talking about ten doctors looking at one knee, and you
Speaker 1: got and doctors don't always look things the same way.
Speaker 1: So if doctor at the Saints wants to pull on
Speaker 1: the knee, while the doctor the Buccaneers wants to pull
Speaker 1: on the knee, the doctor the Cowboys wants to So
Speaker 1: see now that's why. And he was talking about it
Speaker 1: was seven hours of you know, to go through that.
Speaker 1: He got in the MRI at seven or eight this
Speaker 1: morning and he wasn't done right and looked at until
Speaker 1: he came here and hundred seven hours. And remember last
Speaker 1: year though we had there was a bunch of rumor
Speaker 1: about well girl, he doesn't want people to look at
Speaker 1: his knee. That's why he didn't want Because of that,
Speaker 1: what Miles Jack just went through, he didn't He didn't
Speaker 1: want people pushing and pulling on his knee. So to
Speaker 1: get through all that. But talk about Miles Jack, you know,
Speaker 1: questions about really how big he was. I think on
Speaker 1: the Draft show, we've told people he's six one two
Speaker 1: forty five. What Smiles Jack? Six one two forty five,
Speaker 1: that's what they had. He's not a small guy. You
Speaker 1: should eliminate the questions about him being a potential mic line.
Speaker 1: Eliminate that that he's two small questions because he physically
Speaker 1: looks good and NFL teams are they're thinking the same way.
Speaker 1: I mean, right, this is one of those guys you
Speaker 1: just don't overthink it, and you know, say, well he's
Speaker 1: only a fit here or here, he can play any
Speaker 1: linebacker spot. Yeah, well talk about that a little bit day.
Speaker 1: Don't talk about that, he said, talk, well, no, but
Speaker 1: talk but no, no, talk about what he said. He
Speaker 1: said that teams have asked him about all well all
Speaker 1: three four three linebacker spots right inside in a three
Speaker 1: four right safety right and then a couple even threw
Speaker 1: and some jokes about running back. Yeah, like, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's unbelievable. And he's the one that brought up Cam
Speaker 1: Chancellor's name right as a possible fit and that type
Speaker 1: of role where it's a little bit of a hybrid.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he can do it all. I can't overthink it.
Speaker 1: He's that good of a player. Well, Mick and Son,
Speaker 1: while was Jock actually coming in was m led touche
Speaker 1: because he's sometimes just sort of bashes into blockers and
Speaker 1: doesn't really use his arms. So it was one of
Speaker 1: the most it was one of my slight concerns. And
Speaker 1: he measured him with what thirty three and a half
Speaker 1: inch three five eights I believe, Yeah, yes, I mean
Speaker 1: that's tops that you fine I stet up some slight
Speaker 1: consigns about taking him at number before, but just almost
Speaker 1: more because of the positional value of it, more than
Speaker 1: more than anything else. But I mean, he's he look
Speaker 1: tops perffect today and yeah, it'll be fine. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: Well listen, we're gonna take a little break right now.
Speaker 1: We'll come back. We're gonna get to some of these
Speaker 1: Twitter questions and then we will will carry on with
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Speaker 1: at the twenty sixteen NFL Scouting Combine. Brian Broadest, Dame Brugler,
Speaker 1: David Helm and Dan Turner with you today. Of any
Speaker 1: final thoughts though that, I didn't want to leave you
Speaker 1: guys hanging before we went to break any any more
Speaker 1: thoughts about anybody else. Uh we we we saw. We
Speaker 1: finally got a Paxton Lynch. Sat Lynch came and the
Speaker 1: reason he came late today it was because he was
Speaker 1: stuck in the medicals for so long. Um and they
Speaker 1: did find some things with both knees, shoulder and then
Speaker 1: his shoulder broke as clavicle, and they they found some
Speaker 1: pieces of you know, fragments of bones floating around in there,
Speaker 1: and um, it's something that he said he didn't consider serious.
Speaker 1: He didn't miss any practices or games or anything like that,
Speaker 1: but it is something he This is Paxton's words, he
Speaker 1: used the words spooked. A few teams were spooked by
Speaker 1: what they found. So this is one of those things
Speaker 1: where it's not something that overreact to, but just something
Speaker 1: that belongs in his report and something that needs checked
Speaker 1: out a long term. Although I mean, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: and this is the first I've heard of it, I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm definitely not trying to say there's something seriously
Speaker 1: wrong with the guy. But hasn't that happened before? Jaya
Speaker 1: Jayi from last year comes to my immediately sure, where
Speaker 1: he's like, that's no big deal in that, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden around draft him, it's like nobody
Speaker 1: wants to take a chance on this. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: those medical rechecks, isn't it closer to the draft? And
Speaker 1: that's when they start to get leaked out a little
Speaker 1: bit so that they do actually concern me a bit.
Speaker 1: When when you when you hear these players taught, because
Speaker 1: obviously they want to put on a brave face and
Speaker 1: they want to they want to tell people that it
Speaker 1: isn't anything serious. But in all honestly, these guys don't.
Speaker 1: These guys don't understand it. I don't think none of
Speaker 1: these guys have got None of these guys gonna be doctors,
Speaker 1: none of these guys and they're gonna be physios. So
Speaker 1: to me, it's almost, um, it's mean. I I don't
Speaker 1: really believe these guys like Jaylen Smith when she was
Speaker 1: saying about that there wasn't any nerve damage, like it
Speaker 1: wouln't surprise me if he comes out comes out later
Speaker 1: on that actually is nerve damage still. So yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And in the in the Cowboy Team, doctors did did
Speaker 1: did surgery. Doctor Cooper didn't surgery on Jilen Smith. So
Speaker 1: you know it, Doctor Cooper one of the best in
Speaker 1: the country at putting guys back together. So hopefully we
Speaker 1: there's not Hopefully there's not any damage and all that,
Speaker 1: and he can come back and play. I will say
Speaker 1: the plans on doing is stuff on Saturday tomorrow? Does
Speaker 1: he not? Yeah? And I want to say this though
Speaker 1: about and and this is sometimes this is the this
Speaker 1: is the hazards of not being with the team, but
Speaker 1: but doing the tape and busting your rear and trying
Speaker 1: to line these guys up. You evaluate that tape and
Speaker 1: there's stuff that these college programs that they won't tell
Speaker 1: these scouts about. And you know, you don't, you don't
Speaker 1: hear about these things Paxson Lynch until he gets the combines.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden you evaluate the tape and then
Speaker 1: the next thing, you know, it's like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: now a team might not considering because being spooked and
Speaker 1: this and this and that. So again that's something that's
Speaker 1: just the hazards. You know. Paxson Lynch is a guy
Speaker 1: I absolutely love and I and I will continue to
Speaker 1: do so. But but it's all it's fascinating me to
Speaker 1: hear now a shoulder potentially knee stuff and all that.
Speaker 1: And but I will remember when we traded for Brett Farve,
Speaker 1: they told us that he had a degenerate hip, you know,
Speaker 1: and then and it was and it was going to
Speaker 1: be bad, and en it playing twenty years, so you know,
Speaker 1: and Jeremiah Trotter is another guy Philadelphia bad knee. I
Speaker 1: had a doctor telling me in Philadelphia, Hey, Brian, I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's gonna play ten years or ten games.
Speaker 1: So you know, you just these medicals. You just kind
Speaker 1: of hold your breath on and hope you got the
Speaker 1: right guy. Okay, So right now we're gonna do a
Speaker 1: little a little twitter on the twenty. Thanks to Ed K.
Speaker 1: Hill for always putting us together a long time ago.
Speaker 1: So Dave take it away, all right. This one is
Speaker 1: very pertinent to what we were just talking about. Ken
Speaker 1: wants to know in light of this Jalen Smith press
Speaker 1: conference and everything that we're learning about him. We were
Speaker 1: talking about whether he's a first round pick. Do you
Speaker 1: feel comfortable taking him at thirty four knowing that he's
Speaker 1: a red shirt. I mean, it's very unlikely he contributes
Speaker 1: it all this year. It's obviously for us we might
Speaker 1: that might be completely different than what you know, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys think or another team. I still think he goes
Speaker 1: in the first round. As long as we're talking about
Speaker 1: just like a red shirt, we're not talking about long
Speaker 1: term issues. And you know, it's a speculation right now
Speaker 1: until we know for sure what the injury is in
Speaker 1: the rehab process and recovery. As long as it's just
Speaker 1: a red shirt and there's no long term damage, I
Speaker 1: still think he's going to go first round. I don't
Speaker 1: think one of those playoff teams that Cardinals, the Broncos,
Speaker 1: one of those teams will take a chance on him.
Speaker 1: But if he is there at thirty four, I guess
Speaker 1: it depends who you take a pick number focus if
Speaker 1: you if you take a quarterback, for example, then you're
Speaker 1: essentially taking two red shirts and with the first two picks, right.
Speaker 1: But but honestly, I think Jane and Smith has the
Speaker 1: best film of anyone in this entire class. So that's fair,
Speaker 1: that's a fair point. I mean, he can, he can
Speaker 1: just he's one of the few guys in this class
Speaker 1: who can actually take over games from the defense. So
Speaker 1: if he's there at thirty four and the medical even
Speaker 1: if it's even if it's gonna be a red shirt, yeah,
Speaker 1: as long as the nerve damage is and as long
Speaker 1: as there isn't actually nerve damage there, then I would
Speaker 1: d runs to plodium if he's there at thirty figuring, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's teams, and I always look at the teams out West,
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about Arizona, and I'm talking about the
Speaker 1: Rams now, the La Rams, those teams. San Francisco is
Speaker 1: a team that remember when Harbaugh they had multiple picks
Speaker 1: and they and they took the South Carolina running back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and all of a sudden, you know, you get teams.
Speaker 1: It might just say, you know what, Saint Louis with
Speaker 1: two second round picks. If this kid slides through and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden gets past Dallas at thirty four.
Speaker 1: Now you're talking about Saint Louis at forty three. I
Speaker 1: meet the Rams, the Rams at the La Rams at
Speaker 1: thirty four or at forty three, then here you go.
Speaker 1: I mean that they they've done this before. They've they've
Speaker 1: taken guys before and kind of you know and worked
Speaker 1: it through. They did it last year with Gurley and
Speaker 1: they in Arizona. Last year they took DJ Humphries in
Speaker 1: the first round. The tackle he's gonna be yeah with
Speaker 1: the idea of red shirt. Yeah, Bruce Harrian said that, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And so you know it's a little different position by position,
Speaker 1: but same type of mentality. You know, at some point
Speaker 1: he's a value pick. You pick them even if he's
Speaker 1: not gonna play for you. This year, it will pay
Speaker 1: off long term. Well, if any team knows about the
Speaker 1: severity of the injury, the Cowboys do their doctor again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: great point. Um Schmidt wants to know. And for all
Speaker 1: intents and purposes, we're considering Miles Jack a mike right now? Sure,
Speaker 1: I am Miles Jack. Reggie Ragland compare and contrast? Do
Speaker 1: you like maybe Rat? I mean, Ragland's a pure mike.
Speaker 1: Jack is obviously consideration versatile guy. Right Who do you
Speaker 1: feel better about there as a mike? Yeah, as specifically
Speaker 1: as a MIC linebacker. I still prefer Jack Um just
Speaker 1: because of his versatility. Uh. You know, if you want
Speaker 1: him to drop in space and cover, he can do
Speaker 1: everything that you want. Where Raglan? And still the question,
Speaker 1: is he a three down linebacker? Yeah, exactly, he's He's
Speaker 1: a garbage man in the run game, cleans up the trash.
Speaker 1: I think that's the best way to describe him. He's
Speaker 1: an explosive striker downhill. But again, you know, is he
Speaker 1: an every down linebacker? He does have some limitations, and
Speaker 1: because of that, uh, gimme Jack Danie Ragland is probably
Speaker 1: a better run defender. I just think I just feel
Speaker 1: like he has better instincts, he can get off blocks,
Speaker 1: take on skills. Yeah, exactly. And but Miles Jack is
Speaker 1: so much better in coverage, and that's partly because Reggie
Speaker 1: Ragland isn't even that good. But Miles Jack is one
Speaker 1: of the best coverage linebackers I've It's probably is the
Speaker 1: best coverage linebacker I've ever seen. Yeah. So, and the
Speaker 1: fact is in these games, when with the play action
Speaker 1: passes and passed on first down and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: then you can't just have a guy and can't a
Speaker 1: guy at mike linebacker who who can't do this? I
Speaker 1: mean we saw at times, not with Rolando McClain as much,
Speaker 1: but when Anti Hitchins was filling in, then teams are
Speaker 1: just basically sending tight ends up the seam and asking
Speaker 1: Mike linebackers to turn and run. Most of these guys
Speaker 1: can't turn and run. I mean, Luke Keachley is the
Speaker 1: best in the NFL. If you try and do it
Speaker 1: against Luke Keatchle, then just look at what Romo did
Speaker 1: against the Panthers. He was thrown interceptions. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: think the think too that I think Dane made an
Speaker 1: excellent point. We don't know what Reggie Ragland can do
Speaker 1: as a drop linebacker if he has to play on
Speaker 1: the field. And I think the three down questions in
Speaker 1: Alabama what they did, he was a sick um linebarer,
Speaker 1: hand in the dirt here we go, So there's there's
Speaker 1: a lot, there's fewer questions about coverage. And then as
Speaker 1: much as the Cowboys played Nickel, you know, having him
Speaker 1: and Sean Lee on the field at the same time
Speaker 1: I think would be huge in coverage. This one's just
Speaker 1: for you, Danny, because of what we were talking about
Speaker 1: earlier today. No, it's good guy who had a rough
Speaker 1: rough Friday. Alex Collins, Um, how do you feel? What
Speaker 1: do you think about him? Now? Yeah? I mean I
Speaker 1: wasn't I wasn't too high and Alex Collins going into
Speaker 1: this either, I mean me and Dame both said that
Speaker 1: we were both on and Jonathan Williams prospect. But yeah,
Speaker 1: Colins had a really bad day to day, but bad
Speaker 1: in the three cone road. Didn't run fast in the
Speaker 1: forty And to me that's a translates onto tape as well.
Speaker 1: The reason why he seems to succeed in college is
Speaker 1: just because he's slightly better than the opposition in every
Speaker 1: single facet Whereas if you if you look at him
Speaker 1: in comparisons with these other running backs in the class,
Speaker 1: and I just don't think. I don't think he's I
Speaker 1: don't think he has the speed, and I don't think
Speaker 1: that's the athleticism of them. I don't even think he
Speaker 1: has the should know if the man, honest thing, you
Speaker 1: like him better than Dan? And Dan do I do?
Speaker 1: What do you think I do? I mean around? You
Speaker 1: know I had him in the third round. You think
Speaker 1: I'm not You know, he's one of those guys that
Speaker 1: I think the tape is always going to be better
Speaker 1: than how he works out. But where is he in
Speaker 1: your pecking order in terms out of the running well?
Speaker 1: I pro Site, I'm always with the Dixon Booker pro
Speaker 1: Sie lineup and then and then now give me the
Speaker 1: rest of these guys. Let me figure out who the
Speaker 1: rest of these guys are. And Collins has always been
Speaker 1: that guy to me, I think I like pro sits
Speaker 1: better than what you guys do. And I thought pro
Speaker 1: Sites did a nice job today running and all that
Speaker 1: I thought the best compliment he got listening to the broadcast,
Speaker 1: if folks had a chance to watch it, Marshall Falk
Speaker 1: was like, Hey, this kid gets it. This kid gets
Speaker 1: it in the passing game. I could see him that.
Speaker 1: I could see some teams doing some things with him.
Speaker 1: You know, he way he extends for the ball, the
Speaker 1: way he was running his routes and all that. The end,
Speaker 1: I thought that was for me. In my mind, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: thank god Marshall fault because he was one of the best,
Speaker 1: you know, receiving running backs in the gain. But I
Speaker 1: think that, like I say, it would be Dixon and
Speaker 1: then you know Booker Procisee. Those are That's how I
Speaker 1: kind of see that that if you gave me choice
Speaker 1: of second and two and three linebackers, that's I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean running backs. That's kind of what I was thinking.
Speaker 1: Collins or Henry. I think that I would take Henry
Speaker 1: over Collins is what I would do. And I posted
Speaker 1: this earlier today, but I posted all the fumble rates
Speaker 1: from this class, and Collins is has one of the worst,
Speaker 1: one of the highest. He fumbled once every forty three
Speaker 1: touches offensive touches in college. And ideally, to put it
Speaker 1: in perspective, Zeke is about one sixty and that's what
Speaker 1: you want. You want at least, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: the hundreds. Uh that that ball security is a big deal.
Speaker 1: So that's something another thing that goes against Collins. My
Speaker 1: biggest disappointment today actually for the running backs was Calvin Tayler.
Speaker 1: I mean I've been filming him up on the sharp. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they touched the ball at all today. It's like he
Speaker 1: fought it the whole time. Watched him and he run
Speaker 1: a full sixth on a full six in the in
Speaker 1: the forty. You know, I just thought he played faster
Speaker 1: than that on tape. And yeah, I'm surprised to hear
Speaker 1: that ye as well. So that isn't helping him with
Speaker 1: in the catching game, and so yeah, it was a
Speaker 1: bit of a shine. The tape was better than how
Speaker 1: he worked out though. Yeah watch him quick. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you watch the tape and you're and you kind of
Speaker 1: like it. It kind of slaps you in the face
Speaker 1: a little bit. I'll tell you a guy who just
Speaker 1: and I know it's I know it's not the right position,
Speaker 1: but Westerman from from Arizona, his his workout, his workout
Speaker 1: looks like how he plays on tape. And that's where
Speaker 1: you get encouraged, like you're going, oh, Okay, yeah, here
Speaker 1: we go. That's it. But then when a guy like Taylor,
Speaker 1: you're like, wait a minute, I watched him catch the ball,
Speaker 1: I watched him run this one. I mean, I watched
Speaker 1: him look faster. That's where it gets you. Maybe the
Speaker 1: fact and these kids will improve, they'll go to Gainesville,
Speaker 1: they'll get better times on him. He won't look like
Speaker 1: as bad as he did to Dan. Don't believe you
Speaker 1: know what? I love though, as like, if I'm make
Speaker 1: an excuse for it. If you like the guy, you're like,
Speaker 1: his prone will be better. Watch the tape if you
Speaker 1: don't like. But if you I don't like the guy
Speaker 1: and he's bad, you're like, he's a bomb. Get him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if if he did something too that, yeah, if you know.
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what. Though, I brought up Westerman.
Speaker 1: We talked about White here that maybe that gap closed
Speaker 1: a little more in some team's eyes though about but
Speaker 1: then again, you know, we'll see. I think Westerman can
Speaker 1: play guard. I'd like to try him at center a
Speaker 1: little bit too, all right, I want to I want
Speaker 1: this one is interesting to me and I move around
Speaker 1: guys right here. AJ wants to know this room, this
Speaker 1: guy reminds me of Eric Armstead from last year, just
Speaker 1: in the sense he doesn't well actually the same school,
Speaker 1: so yeah, but it it's it's it's just you're I
Speaker 1: don't care about the player so much as just the
Speaker 1: situation is, like we've established not really fitting what the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are trying to do, but he keeps cropping up,
Speaker 1: and so I just want to definitively hear from y'all.
Speaker 1: Is it even realistic to think of him as a
Speaker 1: one technique for three defensive tackle or is just shut
Speaker 1: up and let DeForrest Buckner? Go? Go, go and watch
Speaker 1: David Oving's film from last year. And I mean, I
Speaker 1: know that he isn't in the prototypical fit in Rob
Speaker 1: Marlandi's scheme at all, but the tall guy. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: David Irving, I mean, obviously Bootner was a much better
Speaker 1: play than Aving, but Loving was really disruptive in that scheme.
Speaker 1: He was able to get off the ball and he
Speaker 1: was able to use his length, And I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: that I'm not sure that Bouttner is a right fit
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, but if if they drafted him at four,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure complaining either, because I think he could
Speaker 1: play left. I think he could play right three one.
Speaker 1: Just move him all over, that's right, I agree. I
Speaker 1: mean I like him better. I think his best fit
Speaker 1: as a two gapper in a three four. Let him
Speaker 1: play a five technique. He's a much better player than
Speaker 1: Eric arn But at the same time, I think he's
Speaker 1: good enough where he can fit really any scheme. You one,
Speaker 1: he can play even or odd. He can play on
Speaker 1: the outside. And I'll explaining even an odd to people
Speaker 1: that might be watching three four four three the fronts
Speaker 1: an odd front or an even front, and in a
Speaker 1: three four, I mean he's head up over the tackle,
Speaker 1: you know, two gap and we're in the four to three.
Speaker 1: Might you can't play outside the tackles, shoulder kick inside.
Speaker 1: I think you can do a lot of things with
Speaker 1: He's not limited just with his skill set. Now, is
Speaker 1: he a bit taller? Does he play taller at times? Yes,
Speaker 1: and that you know negates the leverage. But he's so powerful,
Speaker 1: he's athletic, he's flexible. You can do things with him,
Speaker 1: and so he is scheme versatile. He is a fit.
Speaker 1: Is he an ideal fit? Probably not, but he's still
Speaker 1: a fit. He can still be disruptive. Let me ask
Speaker 1: you this and just hear me out. And I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to bash this guy, but would you be surprised
Speaker 1: if they liked him better than Bosa as a potential
Speaker 1: what you just described as a you think both. I mean,
Speaker 1: we all think that Bosa can play you know, left in.
Speaker 1: You think he could play some right in. We think
Speaker 1: he could play some three technique. Yeah he is. Butckner
Speaker 1: a more versatile player and could in the upside of
Speaker 1: him be more than what you had with Bosa. That's
Speaker 1: a great question because I think you're weighing two different things.
Speaker 1: With Buckner you have the sheer talent and the physical
Speaker 1: ability and some upside, where with Bosa you have a
Speaker 1: little more technique, you know, a better understanding of how
Speaker 1: to use his strength to beat blockers and be productive.
Speaker 1: So you know, if the Cowboys think they can coach
Speaker 1: the rest out of Buckner, wouldn't shock me at off.
Speaker 1: They seem more upset there. Yeah, but if you're a
Speaker 1: twitchy player, you can basically play anybody in Rob Maeronandi's screen,
Speaker 1: Rooni's scheme. So yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they did.
Speaker 1: I Bookner ahead of Bosa because Bosa he is limited
Speaker 1: by lack of just natural quick twitch five quiers. So
Speaker 1: like with with Bookner, you could as long as he
Speaker 1: can get off the ball quickly and he can, and
Speaker 1: as long as he can. But I guess I personally
Speaker 1: would still like Bosa had a Bookner on my ball. Sure,
Speaker 1: if it's if they if they want just a versatile
Speaker 1: guy there who can create pressure from any spoty ones
Speaker 1: on the line, then then yeah, Bookner would be fit. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I agree with Dane Noo. He's a three four defensive
Speaker 1: is that's where he can be great? I just can't
Speaker 1: And I feel like the Cowboys are sticklers for what
Speaker 1: fits their scheme. Yeah, but it's the it's the you know,
Speaker 1: they get us on this, they get us on this
Speaker 1: multiple position thing. They did it with they did it
Speaker 1: with their safety Yeah, they did it. They'd love to
Speaker 1: do it with their linebackers, and they're talking about it
Speaker 1: with their defensive line. Now. The kids said he met
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys, but he but they're really interested as well.
Speaker 1: Was it a formal interview? Yeah, okay, I think, But
Speaker 1: I think you can say the same thing about Joey
Speaker 1: Bosa too. Sure, I mean and that's I think that's
Speaker 1: probably half the reason they like him so much in
Speaker 1: my opinion. I don't know if do we cover the
Speaker 1: interviews or you know, how it works. Each team gets
Speaker 1: sixty formal interviews at fifteen minutes each. So uh, if
Speaker 1: he's one of those formal interviews, you can figure the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have a chance to talk to sixty of these
Speaker 1: guys here. Um, so you know it's like twenty percent
Speaker 1: of the guys here probably right, Yes, I mean, let's
Speaker 1: see if they bring him in on the thirty was right,
Speaker 1: and that's that's It says a lot that they've interviewed
Speaker 1: with him here. But you know, I'm not sure how
Speaker 1: much it says when they start building the board. That's
Speaker 1: what'll try for the for the for the layman. I
Speaker 1: guess maybe that sounds insulting, but to the fans. I
Speaker 1: just last year, I mean from the get from about
Speaker 1: a month d I was like, get Eric Armstead out
Speaker 1: of your mock. No, that's wrong. Yeah, so you're telling
Speaker 1: me I shouldn't feel that way about But no, I
Speaker 1: had a scout. I had a scout tell me after
Speaker 1: and Kyper was the first one to do it because
Speaker 1: his first draft. He picked Buttner Yeah at that spot,
Speaker 1: and I had a scout walk up to me and go,
Speaker 1: when did we start drafting thirty four defensive ends here?
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying, and I went, I go, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was kind of curious because I go, I've seen
Speaker 1: the guy play and that's where I think his best
Speaker 1: position is. So the fact that they talked to him,
Speaker 1: maybe they're looking at this draft in a little bit
Speaker 1: different way of, Hey, we don't really want to draft Bosa,
Speaker 1: you know, let's find a let's find a candidate that
Speaker 1: could be maybe comparable to Bosa. That's kind of what
Speaker 1: I'm in diligence. Yeah, But it goes back to David
Speaker 1: Iving from last year because I never thought that David
Speaker 1: Oving would be a success in the Cowboys scheme. I
Speaker 1: just thought it was gonna be one of these guys
Speaker 1: who was on the Cowboys roster for the requisite three
Speaker 1: weeks and then they just cuts him because he wasn't
Speaker 1: so you never saw him play inside of Kansas City then, no, See,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. I watched him play like three
Speaker 1: technique Kansas City and he wasn't bad, and they started
Speaker 1: now playing him with some defensive end as a rusher.
Speaker 1: So I loved him in Iowa State. Yeah, good tape.
Speaker 1: I thought Kansas City ran a three four? They do?
Speaker 1: They do? Okay, that makes sense. They were shipped and
Speaker 1: put him down makes way more sense. Now. Oh goodness, gracious,
Speaker 1: where are we? I had a good one. You need
Speaker 1: to star him. Oh that's ah, that's not a bad idea. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, well this this is an interesting one. Um,
Speaker 1: we're talking I mean we're talking real question. It's a
Speaker 1: real question. We're talking about. We're talking about what we
Speaker 1: whatever we were talking about Kimdici Yeah, Um, we're talking
Speaker 1: about Noah Spense. Given what happened with Randy Gregory. Uh, so,
Speaker 1: who impresses you most, that strikes you more as a
Speaker 1: right kind of guy? I'll throw Joey Bosa in there too.
Speaker 1: I mean, he had a suspension. He's not a choir boy.
Speaker 1: Um who stands out to you as a choir boy?
Speaker 1: That that that maybe he's in play for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: at four in general, honestly, going forth, going for But
Speaker 1: I think later in the draft is interesting too, because
Speaker 1: I mean, we know about the guys that are in
Speaker 1: play it for. We know too much about it, could
Speaker 1: Spence being play it for no after what you've kind
Speaker 1: of heard from him today, if he's if he's given
Speaker 1: that message to teams, he hasn't said anything that we
Speaker 1: didn't already know or you know, we didn't hear at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Um. I mean, it's just all it's
Speaker 1: good to hear it, you know, and reinforce it, and
Speaker 1: you know his path to redemption continues, and that's great. Um.
Speaker 1: But again, you know, as much as we talk about
Speaker 1: the off field, the on field is a very talented
Speaker 1: pass rusher, but I still don't trust him versus the run. Um.
Speaker 1: I know his arms were a little bit longer here,
Speaker 1: but at the same time he doesn't quite use them
Speaker 1: effectively all the time. And so as much as I
Speaker 1: do like him as a pass rusher, I still have
Speaker 1: playing of questions about him as a run defender. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think you honestly, if you want, if you want
Speaker 1: to high carts picked him before, then you go to
Speaker 1: type one of these quarterbacks because to me cost him
Speaker 1: when Jared Golf packs to lynch all these guys, I
Speaker 1: mean even the glass light you running the draft, these
Speaker 1: quotes about some scenes he quite high carrit To say
Speaker 1: when you hear them speak, I've been impressed by all
Speaker 1: of them. Actually when they were all in the defensive though,
Speaker 1: and even Christian Hackenburg was lobb and grenades into the
Speaker 1: middle of the things, kind of like, hey, look at
Speaker 1: me over here, you know. I mean, well, that's I mentioned.
Speaker 1: You know, we talked about Dak Prescott. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of where my mindset is right now.
Speaker 1: Is this team not drafting a quarterback at four and
Speaker 1: then the third or fourth round. Dak Prescott's gonna look
Speaker 1: awfully appealing. Listen to Dan for several reasons, and one
Speaker 1: of them being his sterling and chant intangibles. His leadership
Speaker 1: is poised, the way he handles himself. I watched the
Speaker 1: LSU tape. Uh you see him just you know, correct
Speaker 1: it up. Sorry, you see, And I mean he was
Speaker 1: the reason you're put the offense on his back, and
Speaker 1: you know he made the things happen. So I think
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott would be a perfect example of a good
Speaker 1: character guy, guy you can trust. Uh don't have to
Speaker 1: worry about them at all, whether he's in the building
Speaker 1: or not. Who could be on the Cowboys radar. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna sound like you. But just for the record, h
Speaker 1: Miles Jack. Yeah, and that's right. I loved it today
Speaker 1: when he I mean, he got a million questions about
Speaker 1: his knee. Somebody said, are you tired of hearing about
Speaker 1: the knee? And he was like, no, not really, because
Speaker 1: it's the only thing there is to ask about. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was like, I don't have any character flaws until
Speaker 1: he works out March fifteen. Yeah, that's what we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about. No, but and and that's the point. There
Speaker 1: isn't anything else to ask him about because he's a sterling.
Speaker 1: He's got a sterling reputation. Otherwise, now, all right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna hear about this. Is Joey Bosa too relaxed? Is
Speaker 1: he too laid back? I mean, meeting out there with
Speaker 1: with all of us, you know, he was just very
Speaker 1: uh you know, very relaxed, very reserved. You know he
Speaker 1: said he needed a red bull. Yeah then, and that's
Speaker 1: what you know. I heard the word when we're walking
Speaker 1: out of that interview, I heard, you know, some media
Speaker 1: people sounded like a stone or sounded like he would
Speaker 1: you know, that kind of thing. Like, but if he
Speaker 1: comes like that, it comes off like that in interviews
Speaker 1: the teams, you know, is that would that be a
Speaker 1: red flag to you if he comes off just you know,
Speaker 1: that type of present. I think it to Jason Garrett,
Speaker 1: it would be he would take a step back. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's had some bad teammates in his day, guys that
Speaker 1: were kind of over the top kind of guys, and
Speaker 1: so he understands you have to have that. But I
Speaker 1: think he would kind of be taking I think Jason Garrett,
Speaker 1: he I think the reason why he likes Alabama football
Speaker 1: players not only because of Nick Saban, and he just
Speaker 1: likes he knows that football is really important to those kids.
Speaker 1: You know, he he understands. He looks at those Alabama kids,
Speaker 1: he goes, if they could play for Saban, my god,
Speaker 1: they could play for I mean, they could play for anyway.
Speaker 1: They got to love football to be on the field
Speaker 1: at Alabama. So maybe with Joey Bosa, he would look at,
Speaker 1: you know and say, you know, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: I Bosa isn't play. Let's not you bring it up
Speaker 1: on something out there. It's a very good point. I
Speaker 1: identify with Joey Bosa because he reminded me of me honestly,
Speaker 1: a taller version of you, very a much taller version
Speaker 1: from you know. I mean you carry yourself. He carries
Speaker 1: himself relaxed, he's laid back. I don't doesn't try to
Speaker 1: be someone he's not. And that's fair, and I get
Speaker 1: I get crap about that all the time, and it's
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I should, maybe I should listen to
Speaker 1: people's criticisms, But I don't think your demeanor is an
Speaker 1: indicator of your work ethic or anything like that. For
Speaker 1: whatever it's worth. Yeah, just being nice to yourself. I am. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Swboys the Clock. We're back here twenty sixteen NFL Combine Scouting,
Speaker 1: Combine Radio Row Here at Lucasoil Stadium. Brian Broadest, Dame Brugler,
Speaker 1: David Hellman, Dan Turner, Gonna be with you for the
Speaker 1: next fifteen minutes or so. Kay Garrison, the executive producer,
Speaker 1: actually has been done an outstanding job all week long
Speaker 1: with the video and then also getting us on air
Speaker 1: each day, and we really appreciate his fine efforts for
Speaker 1: all that. Uh had an opportunity today to visit with
Speaker 1: some defensive lineman and you know, and I was. I
Speaker 1: was impressed with a couple of guys. I didn't get
Speaker 1: a chance to get over and Dave, I think, do
Speaker 1: you went over did you get to hear Billings? I did.
Speaker 1: I was at when Danny you were over there as well.
Speaker 1: What do you think about old Andrew Billings? I and
Speaker 1: I mean, I know we talked a lot about him
Speaker 1: as he's in play for that second pick. He's one
Speaker 1: of these defensive tackles that everybody likes so much. I
Speaker 1: love I love this interview. He was calm collecting. It
Speaker 1: was kind of cool because he was up on the podium. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't like this crush of reporters like there
Speaker 1: is for some of these guys. You know, there was
Speaker 1: a crowd, but it was kind of very comfortable setting setting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a question and people weren't shouting over each
Speaker 1: other to get their question in. Yeah, what teams have
Speaker 1: you visited with? Yeah, I hate that question. By the way,
Speaker 1: it's so stupid. They ought to eliminate that thing, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean the think port Jalen Smith was up there,
Speaker 1: but anyway, go ahead. I'm sorry about with billings here, no,
Speaker 1: I I it was interesting hearing him talk and he
Speaker 1: was kind of giving an idea of what he can
Speaker 1: do and what his game's all about. And I know, um,
Speaker 1: I know that he's seen as a one technique for
Speaker 1: the most part, but he was I mean, he was
Speaker 1: talking about how much he like he he likes to
Speaker 1: make plays, he can penetrate, he can get off blocks. Um.
Speaker 1: I thought it was funny because I'm I mean, he's
Speaker 1: six flat if that right. I'm like Aaron Donald, Hey,
Speaker 1: what's up, Aaron Donald? Get in here. Um. But he
Speaker 1: said the guy that he really loves and like wants
Speaker 1: to emulate and stuff like that is Wentz WinCE Vince Wilfork,
Speaker 1: which obviously, I mean, it's a different scheme from what
Speaker 1: the Cowboys around, but I still thought that was interesting
Speaker 1: in terms of what he can do. I mean, Wilfork
Speaker 1: got so much credit for so many years for base
Speaker 1: basically freeing up half of the Patriots defense to make plays.
Speaker 1: If he can do that on top of being able
Speaker 1: to I mean, I like Nick Haden more than the
Speaker 1: average person, but if he can even make a few
Speaker 1: more plays than Nick Haden, then it's a big improvement. Danny,
Speaker 1: you think he's just a two down player, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I do think he can learn more though. I mean,
Speaker 1: the fact is he actually looked raw on tape in
Speaker 1: my opinion, but there are there's definitely flashes in. There's
Speaker 1: definitely flashes on there. And interestingly, probably after today, I
Speaker 1: think I actually liked him a little bit more. It
Speaker 1: just purely because of how he actually looked in person.
Speaker 1: I mean, he may only be six foot, but this
Speaker 1: guy looks like a defensive tackle like morehere. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can sell. You can tell he's been a weightlifter
Speaker 1: and has this air of confidence about him. But it's
Speaker 1: not cockiness. It's just you can tell he's just a
Speaker 1: confident lad and um. But yeah, I think after today though,
Speaker 1: I just start to like him a little bit more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's a good player, and I did like how
Speaker 1: he said that he prefers the four to three. He
Speaker 1: wants to be in a four man as well, and so, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Andrew Billing he's interesting. I agree with Dan
Speaker 1: that you know, he is raw in some areas, especially
Speaker 1: is his ball awareness h and kind of his instincts
Speaker 1: is anticipation. But physically, when he's healthy, he moves really well.
Speaker 1: He's obviously strong. So I'll tell you what though. The
Speaker 1: thing that I was always impressed about him and man
Speaker 1: his size though, as far as his weight and his
Speaker 1: ability to get to the outside, he's not just limited.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna get hooked. I mean he's gonna keep fighting,
Speaker 1: keep moving. And you see him get up to feel
Speaker 1: that way. And I think that sometimes you get these
Speaker 1: defensive tackles, especially these ones, and they don't move right,
Speaker 1: you know, they just kind of get locked on, they
Speaker 1: get scooped and hooked and and then you don't get
Speaker 1: a guy that's part of the part of the play
Speaker 1: at the point of attack. And I mean he talked
Speaker 1: a decent a bit about that. He's He's like, I'm
Speaker 1: not just here to take up space, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's not his games go outside. Yeah, um, and I yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought that was going and interesting to me. He
Speaker 1: actually said he used to play offensive line. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what he most offensive and call or in high school
Speaker 1: that's what he played most offensive line. I thought, I'm
Speaker 1: the last person who should criticize anybody's height, but he
Speaker 1: was like, well, I really fell in love with the
Speaker 1: game on defense. And I was like, are you sure
Speaker 1: it's just because you stopped growing? I mean, like, you
Speaker 1: can't play offensive line at a high level when you're
Speaker 1: six foot tall. Money. Do you have a chance to
Speaker 1: see Jarren Reid today listen to him talk? Yeah, a
Speaker 1: little bit, you know, and I think it was kind
Speaker 1: of what I expected that there wasn't anything any you know,
Speaker 1: breaking there. One guy that I did enjoy listening to
Speaker 1: is Darren Lee, Ohio state linebacker. I really liked what
Speaker 1: he had to say about how the game is changing
Speaker 1: with in terms of speed, you know, just the nature
Speaker 1: of the game is faster than it's ever been. And
Speaker 1: because of that, the NFL needs guys like Darren Lead.
Speaker 1: He's fast linebackers, these versatile guys that might not they're
Speaker 1: not the Reggie Raglins that we've seen, you know, ten
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, but they're that new breed, and I
Speaker 1: think Darren Lee embraces that. And I think some team
Speaker 1: in the mid first round is going to embrace that
Speaker 1: as well and use his strengths to impact defense. Talk
Speaker 1: about me a little bit. I actually really like Lee's film.
Speaker 1: I think he has in these things that I can move.
Speaker 1: But the movie problem with Darren Lee is that there's
Speaker 1: only so many teams who play a four three, and
Speaker 1: that means there's only so many will linebacker sports in
Speaker 1: the NFL, and there's a lot of linebackers out there.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of undersized linebackers who play. So how
Speaker 1: many teams actually need, actually need a wild linebacker? And
Speaker 1: the fact is that Darren Lee is a good player,
Speaker 1: But the fact is he's only played that he's only
Speaker 1: played linebacker. What is it two years or right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he used to be a quarterback before the high
Speaker 1: school scouts team. See if he has a red shirt,
Speaker 1: then we've been linebacker the last two years. And he's
Speaker 1: undersized as well. So there's just quite a lot of
Speaker 1: not red flags there as such, but just quite a
Speaker 1: lot of things that just make me concern to potentially
Speaker 1: take him in the top half of the first round
Speaker 1: in your linebacker pecking order. Where is he? It goes
Speaker 1: Miles Jack Jalen Smith, although this is considering he doesn't
Speaker 1: have the nerve damage then Reggie Ragland, then Darren Lee.
Speaker 1: That's the same way. Yeah, yeah, I just I've I've
Speaker 1: spaced out on Darren Lee for some reason. I don't
Speaker 1: feel ever you haven't liked him the whole No, No,
Speaker 1: and and you know, and I think those guys get
Speaker 1: to go back to and No. I feel like though
Speaker 1: I felt like I gave the kid his due. I
Speaker 1: really do. And I felt like that, and correct me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. Did I catch a bad run of film?
Speaker 1: Did you know? Did I catch a bad run where?
Speaker 1: You know I'm watching him I'm trying to watch him
Speaker 1: against Michigan State, and I'm trying to watch him against
Speaker 1: Michigan And I'm trying to watch him against you know,
Speaker 1: these teams that you know I'm not I'm not watching
Speaker 1: him against Hawaii. You know, I'm watching him against people
Speaker 1: you know they can they can knock his ass off.
Speaker 1: That's some you know. Some of his best tape is
Speaker 1: from actually the playoff last year. I can to Alabama.
Speaker 1: Yeah there you got. If I've got, If I've got
Speaker 1: twelve games of this year, I'm gonna watch twelve games
Speaker 1: of this year but if I need to go back
Speaker 1: and watch Alabama level of competitions, obviously what you want. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I definitely check out those yas. Who did you watch
Speaker 1: him play? I mean, you don't have to go back
Speaker 1: and love no, but that's what I'm seeing when we
Speaker 1: when we sit down with KT, Jeff and I when
Speaker 1: sometimes with Dane, I mean, I haven't asked you these questions,
Speaker 1: like we'll get a run of it. We'll get a
Speaker 1: run of a tape where they broke They've got a
Speaker 1: guy broken down, and it's like, okay, skip through, skip
Speaker 1: through this one, skip through this. You know they're playing teams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if they're playing teams, I don't need to see I
Speaker 1: don't need to see Joey Bosa like sacking the Hawaii
Speaker 1: quarterback five times. You know, if he's sacking Michigan. If
Speaker 1: he's sat sacking that guy five times, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: like going, okay, you know, I'm I'm I'm digging it.
Speaker 1: But so that that's where I mean, maybe with Lee
Speaker 1: and and I'm with you, I do there. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's if I look at my sheet, there's there's two
Speaker 1: guys that I need to go back and study, and
Speaker 1: I need to go back and study the Robinson kid
Speaker 1: from from LSU. I think I have an idea what
Speaker 1: he is, but I'm but I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying. No, no, he's not, and
Speaker 1: that's fine, that's fine. He's a train wreck. But I
Speaker 1: want to make sure I get him right, you know.
Speaker 1: I want to make sure and I think that's our
Speaker 1: job to try and do that start of the day
Speaker 1: after Thanksgiving. If you don't get every player I started
Speaker 1: the minute that Tony Romo was laying on the thousand Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: be good, no, no, but I just want to make
Speaker 1: sure that I have him right. And because I trust
Speaker 1: what you guys are saying about the player right, you know,
Speaker 1: and I you know, and if if if I caught
Speaker 1: a bad run of tape because he was not being
Speaker 1: productive against you know, the teams that that they go
Speaker 1: and watch some past heavy teams who they play against.
Speaker 1: Because his his big advantages is range, so he can
Speaker 1: get sidelines to sidelines so easily, and he can get
Speaker 1: he can turn his hips and run down fields. In
Speaker 1: all honesty, you probably have to find the best quarterbacks
Speaker 1: who they played last year and watch those games. Quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: You can see them on the field tomorrow. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was gonna get to that about what some thoughts about
Speaker 1: that we're kind of a little short on time here.
Speaker 1: But the way they wow, they are they break up
Speaker 1: into two groups. In the first group there will be
Speaker 1: Goth Hackenburg those probably the two main ones in the
Speaker 1: first group to second group, or Cardil Jones being the
Speaker 1: first group to second group wentz Lynch. So the quarter
Speaker 1: big name quarterbacks we've broken up into the two groups,
Speaker 1: would just be great to see, you know, one after
Speaker 1: the other, how the ball comes off their hand. They'll
Speaker 1: be throwing to these receivers they've never worked with before,
Speaker 1: so there'll be some bad passes that's going to happen.
Speaker 1: Cam Newton had one of the worst combine performances we've
Speaker 1: seen here, so don't you know, we can't put too
Speaker 1: much stock into how the performance here by these quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: but it's still great to see him out go out
Speaker 1: there and rip it. Yeah, And I think to keep
Speaker 1: an eye on sometimes these quarterbacks will get a good
Speaker 1: and I said, good run or bad run of tape.
Speaker 1: You get a good run bad run of receivers. You know,
Speaker 1: they these receivers can make you look bad too. All
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're working with guys that are dropping
Speaker 1: the football and you're going, wait a minute, now, I
Speaker 1: just put it right on you man, and you're here
Speaker 1: at the combine and that to catch that ball. I mean,
Speaker 1: you talk about people not wanting to run at the combine.
Speaker 1: People will pass on this stuff too, so they can
Speaker 1: work with their guys back into our school and also too,
Speaker 1: flip it the other way. Their receivers that are really
Speaker 1: good that will catch a bad run of quarterbacks yea,
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden they're running around and the
Speaker 1: ball goes six feet over their head and they're looking
Speaker 1: those quarterbacks like, okay, what Connor Cook? Yeah, what did
Speaker 1: you just do? The biggest thing I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: is the gauntlet. That's my favorite drill for these receivers.
Speaker 1: If you have questionable hands, you're you're not going to
Speaker 1: survive the gauntlet. Well it's going to be exposed. It's
Speaker 1: funny because Daniel Jeremiah said today on their pre the
Speaker 1: pre Combine show, he hates the gauntlet drill. He absolutely
Speaker 1: hates the drills. His argument was, you're catching it and
Speaker 1: you're getting you're getting away from it. You're just getting
Speaker 1: getting rid of it. So well. I love the gulden
Speaker 1: that drill too, because to me, it's the only way
Speaker 1: that they any time when you had to see these
Speaker 1: guys forced to hands catch. So essentially, these guys, if
Speaker 1: thea's gonna bring their hands together before they got to
Speaker 1: extend for the ball, right, they're gonna they're gonna get it.
Speaker 1: And a lot of these guys just call him do
Speaker 1: that and you'll see that tomorrow. And a lot of
Speaker 1: it is with the eyes because you're looking this way
Speaker 1: for the ball, then you have to readjust look this way.
Speaker 1: Your eyes have to be able to quickly pick up
Speaker 1: that ball in flight and hand hands catch like you said,
Speaker 1: so there are a lot of benefits. I get what
Speaker 1: DJ is saying about catching it and immediately you getting
Speaker 1: rid of It's like catch it and get rid of
Speaker 1: it as fast as you can. Okay, well listen, that's
Speaker 1: all the time that we have today. One quick reminder, sorry,
Speaker 1: go ahead. Just tomorrow we get our look at our
Speaker 1: last big number four prospect and Jalen Ramsey. Sure, yeah
Speaker 1: that is jal that will be that'll be yeah, back tomorrow,
Speaker 1: Dave will be all over that and I can say
Speaker 1: it's a world wind stuff going on. We lose Dan
Speaker 1: Brugler tomorrow afternoon, so we'll have to sub out for him.
Speaker 1: But thank you for a great week. Thank you, my friend,
Speaker 1: and UH always appreciate your knowledge and your efforts and
Speaker 1: all that. You're the real MVP DA No, no, no,
Speaker 1: absolutely all right for so for Dan Burglar, for David Hellman,
Speaker 1: for Dan Turner, for Kent Gerris, I, Brian Bros. Thank
Speaker 1: you again for joining us here at the twenty sixteen
Speaker 1: NFL Scouting Combine. We'll be back tomorrow for our final
Speaker 1: show here from Indianapolis, so heay care. We'll see you then,
Speaker 1: Umber