WEBVTT - Draft Show: LIVE From 2016 NFL Combine - Day 3 0:00:05.720 --> 0:00:10.080 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:14.360 on your war room for insider news and draft analysis 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:17.800 from deep within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at Pally Ran. 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:22.320 The Dallas Cowboys Select Byron Joe and now your hosts 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:28.000 Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us well. It's 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:30.480 the Draft Show once again from the two thousand and 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:35.960 sixteen NFL Combine here in Indianapolis. Lucas Oil Stadium has 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:38.360 been our home here now for the last several days 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:43.560 as we physically get workouts being done on the field. 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:47.239 It's been a whirldwind day for my colleagues, Dame Brugler 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:52.159 from CBS Sports and from Dallascowboys dot Com. David Hellman 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:56.920 as well, Uh from Dallascowboys dot Com. And then once 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:01.959 again my favorite Brit mister Turner. How are you doing today, sir? 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:04.200 I'm doing right well. Thank you. My first good night's 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:08.000 sleep last night. Sorry, favorite, he's my favorite Brit. About John, 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:10.440 They're all I have a bunch of favorite, but he's 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:13.320 my favorite scouting brit. Okkak, I got you so yeah. 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:16.840 So Dan Turner once again joins the program and uh, guys. 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:21.120 We we've talked about it. Everybody's allowed kind of dragging 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:23.520 a little bit right now. I mean, don't don't lump 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:25.119 me in there with that, you know, when we lump 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:26.920 you in the dragons. I just I just wrote this 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:30.319 awesome Miles Jack feature. I'm are you pumped about molest Jack? 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:32.840 I am pumped about Miles Jack. Okay, well we'll get 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:35.800 to Mommy. I'm easily swayed though. Like basically, every time 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:38.440 I go watch a guy talk, if he's good, I'm like, yeah, 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:40.640 get him. That's why I'll get That's why I need 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:43.520 to kind of replace you in our scouting rotation, because 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:47.280 because my man will he will ride the roller coaster ride, 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.320 like we talk about, the bar goes from his lap, 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:51.920 he holds his hands up and he screams as we 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.840 go through the ride. There. But I and I was 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:56.920 saying tired because every time we turn around there was 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:59.280 something and that's the exciting part. There's a lot of 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:01.640 things going on with the workouts. You're trying to pay 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:04.320 attention to the workouts a little bit. You're trying to 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:06.840 see what these running backs are doing, what the offensive 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:09.520 lines doing. Uh, you know, then all of a sudden, 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:11.720 like Dave says, somebody gets called to the podium and 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:14.800 then and then the direction of the story goes another way. 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:17.160 And then we had a lot of storylines today. This 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:19.840 is a great event for somebody with add Yeah, I mean, 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:23.079 there's a lot of stories going going on here and 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:26.040 uh but let's let's let's cover the ones. And by 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:28.920 the way, you know, we always encourage you to reach 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:32.160 out to the Draft show. At the Draft show, Dave 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:33.920 is going to go through like we did last night, 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.000 and like we do all the time, go through the 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:39.760 Twitter questions, try and find some uh, you know, questions 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.560 that are suitable for the draft. I mean, if you 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:45.280 have cowboy questions and all that, maybe that's another day 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:47.400 for another show. We got plenty of those on the 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:50.240 platform as well on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Try and 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:52.280 keep things to the draft. You know, we'll answer as 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:54.280 many of those as we can. Dave will go through them, 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.720 h and then we will we'll discuss I also, like 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:00.359 I said, want to talk about out you know a 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:03.760 little bit about the workouts that we saw today, you know, 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:06.680 and and you know, the offensive line, the running backs. 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:09.880 It's really easy for me to do this. Dame but 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:13.520 is there anything that stood out with the offensive line? 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:15.600 And I'll tell I'm gonna throw a storyline at you 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:19.280 a little bit. You know, we're talking about the these 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.760 offensive tackles and and how that you know, we all 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:26.320 have tounsl up here, But did any of these offensive 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:29.240 tackles close the gap? And maybe not to Tounsil, but 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:34.720 did it change maybe how you think the others will 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:38.080 fall behind Tounsl with the way some of these workouts went. 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:42.920 I think, uh, we talked about this yesterday, but Spriggs 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:47.120 from Indiana, he'd performed really well during the athletic drills 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:49.880 and I think that only helps his case as a 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:52.120 possible first round pick. That's something we heard a lot 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:54.440 of in Mobile during Senior Bowl week, and I think 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:57.160 he's continued to positive momentum here. I don't think you 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.520 or I or uh, you knows a few others that 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:01.880 aren't sold on him as a first round player. But 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:05.080 with this I thoticism you know mentioned Lane Johnson kind 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:08.880 of a similar type of there's some similarities there, and 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:10.680 so I think that's what's really gonna help him jump 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:13.360 into the first round. And then Cody White Hare you 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:16.599 know Cody at sixteen reps on the bench, you know. 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:18.560 And we talked about the bench yesterday and how that 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:22.320 doesn't necessarily translate to the next level as much as 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:24.640 some of these other drills, and so Cody needed some 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:27.279 positive numbers just to kind of regain some of that momentum, 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:30.720 and he did. In the three cone drill, he had 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:34.120 one of the best time seven three two, And so 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:37.120 I thought Cody white Hair helped himself. Yeah, Davis, I 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:42.039 know you were running around maybe okay, some stories any 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:43.599 other thing. I mean, did you get a chance to 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:45.720 see the workouts like you wanted to at all? Or 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:47.640 I know you were running around doing a lot of 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:50.239 different things. I cast an eye on the running backs 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:52.360 for sure. Yeah. I mean Zeke threw up a four 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:54.919 four six. Thought that was awesome, which I meant to 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:58.120 ask you. That's how you signed off last night. You 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:00.279 were hoping that he would blow people away with his time. 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:01.839 How do you feel about it? You know what I 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:04.760 felt like that that's kind of what we had as 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:07.320 a time that four four five. If i'm you know, 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:09.960 we all we all had four four five. I had 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:13.120 a have several scouts in the actual of the workouts, 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:16.280 So I was worried what TV times were coming off 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:19.720 as opposed to what and and his second time was 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.640 actually in the four fives. You know, A scout text 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:25.239 me back and said, first range was a four four six. 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:27.760 I thought, you know, that's kind of what TV saying. 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:29.560 And then the second one, and then I went back 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.240 and even did it you know with Henry. You know, 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:35.080 in his times, we thought that Henry on the Draft show, 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:37.479 we talked about him being a four or five four 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:39.320 type of a guy. That's that they had the four 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:43.159 five seven range on him. So you know, these guys 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.520 ran about what we thought. But I could be honest 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:47.920 with you guys, I thought that we were going to 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:50.920 see that Zeke would run better. I thought you were 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:54.919 gonna see maybe a low four four two four four. 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:57.800 Oh you know, but we got that from Urban from 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:01.960 the little guy from a from But when we would 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:04.920 we talked about yesterday with Derick Henry, Uh, the forties great. 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:06.760 You know, we knew he was going to run fairly 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:09.760 well for a guy that size was about the three 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.279 cone and his shuttles, right, and that's where Henry struggled 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:17.520 and the three cones. Yeah, the fourth worst time at 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:20.760 seven point two. Uh, you know only you know there's 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:23.120 a couple of full backs that did worse, but you 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:26.480 know that That's really the sticking point with Henry is 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:28.599 when he's in the backfield, can he stretch out those 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:31.560 long legs and make something happen create on his own? 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:33.440 We know he can stretch out those legs in the 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.240 open field at the second level keep going, But in 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:38.440 short area can he do the same type of thing? 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:40.480 And the three cone drill backs up what we saw 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:42.800 on tape. Yeah, and you're one of the big fans 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:45.440 of the three cone drill. It's something you're pushing out. 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:47.080 I don't want to know how you do in space, 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:49.880 and not just space but also tight areas. You know, 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:52.880 can you you have the change of direction, the footwork 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:56.800 that's needed at the three cone drill. You can't hide 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:59.320 from that drill. It will expose you if you are 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:01.640 a stiff at fleet in So we saw a little 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.800 bit of that with Derrick Henry Danny. Well, just going 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:07.800 back to the offensive lineman quickly, I had Jack Conklin 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:10.160 as my number two offensive lineman in this past before, 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.160 before to day, ahead of Ronnie Stanley, and today just 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:16.480 exaggerated that from me because Stanley had Stanley performed really poorly. 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:18.320 He was near the bottom of the three cone he 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:21.080 ran a slow forty time, and Jack Conklin run the 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:24.080 third fastest three cone. He ran a five second flat 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:26.560 forty yard dash. I mean, he put twenty five reps 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:28.920 on the bench press yesterday, and to me, that just 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:31.600 reaffirms what we see on table almost And it's not 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:34.360 just the it's not just the athleticism and the strength 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:36.240 of this. It's almost it's also the desire. I mean, 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.560 Jack Conklin just just wants it more when he when 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:40.720 you see him running that forty yard dash, He's putting 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:43.360 every ounce of effort into that. And Ronnie Stanley it's 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:47.040 just almost lackadaiser good at times. He just so Yeah, 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.040 I know what answer I'm going to get from this man, though, 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:51.280 But in the reason I opened with that because I'm 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:53.520 thinking that maybe that you were going to talk about 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:59.000 Conklin in relation to Decker, you know, Ohio State, and 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.679 I know that you've always get on me about that. 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:04.320 Why would you have Decker? And again I'm not letting 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:06.840 this come. I'm not letting the numbers, but I'm just saying, though, 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:11.520 are there things that you saw on tape that made 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:15.360 you think that, well, hey, Jack Conklin can do? Can 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:18.400 you know? And is he is he in the pecking 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:24.320 order of those of those offensive linemen behind Tunsil? Is 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:30.880 Jack Conklin maybe putting his name into into the hat 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:34.160 of a potential guy to be taken ahead of one 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.960 of those guys? I think, I mean that's fair. Before 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:39.360 we came to the combine, that was something that was 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:42.640 already on the table, and that's a good good Depending 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:45.560 on who you talk to different teams, Conklin's weird and 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:48.239 the fact that there's I don't think there's a consensus 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:51.280 around the league on him. You know, some teams really 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:54.840 excited what he can do, some little lukewarm, and so 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:59.679 we'll see moving forward. Um, not to overreact or underreallize 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:03.000 with what happened at the combine, but we'll see moving 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.160 forward the next few weeks, you know, would catch up 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:08.160 with some of these NFL teams, what if Conklin did here, 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:09.760 if that helped him at all, or if they still 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:12.360 view him as the third or fourth best tackle. David. 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:15.400 This is a very I love this conversation because it 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:19.880 prevents a very interesting dichotomy. Uh, because I mean, we're 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:22.719 the offensive lineman doing and I know they worked out 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:26.120 today Laramie tuns Will talk you talked yesterday, right, yes, 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:28.880 very yeah, and I'll did a very good job. Yeah. 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.719 But it's it's interesting to me because I'm sitting here 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:37.040 thinking we've got some fantastic going on here in the hallways. 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:42.040 Um No, it's just interesting to me that, uh, you know, 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:46.040 Tunsil's there, Conklin Decker, We've talked about these guys, but today, 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:49.160 you know, from my standpoint as a Dallas Cowboys staff writer, 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:52.520 we got a look at probably the first two guys 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:55.680 that I think are really realistic options at number four 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.840 over all for the Cowboys. Yeah, and that's Joey Bosa 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:02.280 and and then Miles chat later on today. Um and 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:04.520 and that's what I love about this show is that 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:06.440 you know you can get both of those things where 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:09.560 you know, these are all important issues, uh, you know, 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:11.600 in determining the pecking order in the first round of 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:14.319 the draft, and you got you know, you're you're figuring 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:16.480 out that type of stuff. Is it realistic to think 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:20.360 Tunzel's the Cowboys pick? I don't think so. Is it 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.240 realistic to think that Elliott is their pick. I don't 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:26.240 really think so either. Um, So, you know, we're learning 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:28.920 about everybody and anybody and then at the same time 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:31.800 you got to investigate and educate here, but you get 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:34.560 to zero in two on on these other two guys anyways, 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:36.280 So that that was the interesting takeaway that I had. 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:39.120 And for those that didn't already know this, Larrmy Tounsel 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:42.360 decided not to perform any of the agility drills. He 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:45.520 did to the positional drills, right, but for whatever reason 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:47.920 decided not to do the forty or any of those 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:50.360 other drills. So he's gonna do those at his pro day. 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:53.200 Be an interesting day. They're in Oxford, Mississippi, a lot 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:56.800 of people traveling. There'll be a lot of guys working 0:10:56.840 --> 0:11:00.480 that day. How Candy, Yeah, I sort of. I've taken 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:03.679 this at face value for probably a month now. I 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:06.480 think Laramie Tunsil is the number one pick in this draft. 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:08.400 He's the best player in this draft. And you've been 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:13.360 saying that first Friday that did this, We we still 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:16.360 feel that way, and that honestly, like and you kind 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:18.640 of get into your own headspace where you just take 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:22.920 things as fact, you know, and I haven't thought about 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:26.120 Joey Bosa as a number one pick in weeks and 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.200 people were asking him about that today and I was like, 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:30.840 do people think that is that? You know? And so 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:34.439 I want to get y'all's opinion on that. Yeah, go ahead, day, Well, no, 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:36.720 I think that's to me, Bosa is one of the 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:39.640 top four to five players in this draft. So I 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:41.680 think he's in that conversation. I think it just goes 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:46.680 not necessarily is he the best player? But Tennessee, do 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:49.800 they want an offensive tackle when they had just drafted 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:52.160 Lawan in the first round two years ago? Or do 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:55.160 they want more of a defensive impact guy like a 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:58.679 Bosa or a Ramsey, uh you know? Or could they 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:00.679 shock us all and take a line an off ball 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:03.400 linebacker like Miles Jacket number one? So you know, I 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:05.600 don't Tunsil makes the most sense because not only does 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:09.600 he fit a need protecting uh Mariota there in Tennessee. 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:13.559 But as much as I loved Tunsel, as clean as 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:16.920 he is on the field, off the field, there's you know, 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:21.719 there could be some concerns there. Kimdici revealed today that 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:26.719 tuns was with him when that incident came down. When 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:29.720 he uh, when Kimdici was arrested that night in December 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:34.120 for marijuana possession. Right and not that you know, Tunsil 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:37.080 is old enough to be making these own decisions on himself. 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:39.520 It's you know, we don't know enough yet to really speculate, 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.560 but you just never know with these types of types 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:45.000 of things, that team could shy away from another player 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:47.760 and go towards another. And he was talking about Bosa. 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:49.760 He has his own h things that he has to 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:52.079 answer for it with NFL teams. He was a little 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:54.760 coy about it with the media, said, you know what, 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:58.160 all when one on one I'll discuss my suspension with 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:00.960 NFL teams. And it didn't really feel much there. But 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:04.120 I thought Bosa was a great interview today today. Yeah, 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:06.600 Bosa's the first time I got to see him speak. 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:09.760 And I was talking to some teams though a little earlier, 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:14.200 well late last night, about they're digging on him hard. 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:16.640 I mean on Bosa they're trying to figure out in 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:21.160 today that today was interesting to watch him interact and 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.160 and you're right, I thought he did a really nice 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:26.280 job as far as handling the questions and stuff like that. 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:29.640 The guy to me that came off really well of 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:34.360 all the potential problem guys, was Noah Spense. Yeah, he's 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:36.240 the one guy. But you know why he came off 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:41.280 so well because his his transgressions were so long ago 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:43.800 that he's had time to say hey, yeah, and he 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.040 stands up there they're all out there. Yeah, they're all 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:47.920 out there in the high front. Yeah. And he's and 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.800 he's kind of like he's like, hey, I've already lived this. 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:53.120 I've already you know. You you can ask me any 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.960 questions you want, and I'll tell you about what my program, 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:57.800 what I went through, what I have to do every day, 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:00.559 what you know. He he's the one that came after me. 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:03.319 If you if if he's talking like dad, if I'm 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:05.760 sitting in a room and he's sitting across from me 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.160 and he's telling me the story about his problems a 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:11.520 year and a half ago, and I'm going, this guy 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:14.720 sounds clean, right, this guy? You know, I mean, we 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:16.960 are we are we missing I was getting I'm just saying, 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:20.480 as we as a team, you know this guy. Yeah. 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.360 And by the way, the thing another thing about Noah 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:25.280 Spense todays, which was quite strange, was he measured him 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.680 with thirty three inch arms at the senior bold What 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:29.800 did he measure him with thirty two inch arms? Yeah, 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:32.560 and I know it's only one inch, but that's probably 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:35.280 the difference between I've been a three four outside linebacker 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:37.400 and a guy who's potentially put his hand on the 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:39.680 dirt and a four three. So so that actually really 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:41.640 intrigued me today as well. And like like you say 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:44.720 about the about the interview, I love these guys who 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:46.720 who can take accountability for what they do. They don't 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:50.200 make excuses, they just and we've seen it a few times. 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:53.520 He saw it with them DeMarcus Robinson yesterday. And again 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:55.080 I don't really know if he if he's going to 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:57.160 turn away from it, but but I do quite I 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:58.920 do prefer that in a player than the ones who 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:02.000 may make excuses. Another Spence isn't making any excuses. It's old. 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:04.320 He just he has he has ald his issues out. 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:07.480 And that was kind of the issue with Kim Dici today. 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:09.840 He sure it's he was kind of a weird interview 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:13.760 because at some points he used the words uncharacteristic and embarrassing. 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:16.720 But then on the other hand, he you know, at 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:19.320 one point he said he blamed the media, you know, Yeah, 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:21.920 the exact quote was, the media has done a tarnish 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:26.480 to my name. Um. And so you know, with Kim Dici, 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:29.360 I'm not I'm not completely sold that he's going to 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:31.840 be doing what all he needs to do. And we're 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:34.560 in these interviews with teams to convince them that, hey, 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:36.600 you know, you don't have to worry about me off 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:40.560 the field. I'm worth the pick he remains, and I 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:42.680 think he'll, you know, through the rest of the process, 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:46.040 he'll remain a wild card in this draft class. I mean, 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:50.280 Combine interviews are pretty intense for the most part anyway. 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:54.280 But Spence, Kim Dici, and Jayleen Smith today, Yeah, talk 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:56.680 about Smith a little bit today. Just in general, it 0:15:56.840 --> 0:16:00.680 was three of the more tough interviews I've been around, 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:03.560 especially Spence. I mean it was probably eight in a 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:06.160 row that was like, was it ecstasy? How many times 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:09.800 was it ecstasy? Getting tested? Are you addicted? Were you addicted? 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:11.320 You use it as a crutch. I was just like, 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:16.400 oh my god, Like, this is brutal. And Jalen Smith 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:18.560 was the same way about his injury and how far 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.840 that he's come from it and what that. Yeah, Jayden's 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.160 is painful to Walt trip. He's just because you could 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:25.760 tell he was trying to he was trying to convince 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:27.560 It was almost like he was trying to convince himself 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:29.880 that it wasn't as serious as as he thought. He 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:34.040 said it wasn't enough damage. But some of the reporters 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:36.120 were asking questions like, wait a minute, we've seen you 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:39.360 now in a boot that it helps you know, and 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:41.760 he said, well, the boot, the special boot was or 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:44.640 the brace was to help me walk and he's really 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:49.240 only what now, just now walking a week ago. Yeah, 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:50.960 I think the big thing with Jalen Smith, there's a 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:53.240 lot of reports out there that he's not gonna play 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:55.520 this year because of nerve damage with his ankle and 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:59.280 his knee. We can't believe anything right now. It's too early. 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.760 He's seven weeks out from surgery. Uh, he's going to 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.280 be back here for the medical rechecks. That's when we'll 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:08.000 find out. Okay, that's usually the beginning of April. Beginning 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.280 of April, about a month outside of the draft. We've 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:12.840 got a better idea, a better feel for his rehab 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:14.800 process and when he'll actually be able to get on 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:18.159 the field. Um. But you know, nonetheless, it's it's not 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:21.439 a positive thing, but Jalen was he was still positive 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:23.960 about it. He says, he still thinks he'll go top ten. Yeah, 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:26.520 well that's gonna be interesting to see if that happens. Though. 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:29.639 You know, the doctors here, he said, not really not 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:31.919 getting an opportunity to pull and push and do all that. 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:34.720 But a guy that did get push. I'm gonna say, 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:37.359 who are you talking about, Yes, Miles Jet or on 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:39.320 the other end of the spectrum with him, right, Yeah, 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:42.000 Miles Jet would give. I would love to be able 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.600 to see that, like to actually just I just want 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:46.800 to watch him do what they do to these guys 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:49.480 these medical tests. He's sitting. There's an intense deal now, 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:53.760 and that's sa And you know the thing about it, 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:55.840 the way this works, and this is from my experience 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:58.800 of being in that room, it's just not one team. 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:02.000 They have a cluster of teams. So there might be 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:06.280 five doctors, you know, each team has they're represented, and 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:08.720 then they might have two doctors in there. So you're 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:12.359 talking about ten doctors looking at one knee, and you 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:15.280 got and doctors don't always look things the same way. 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:17.560 So if doctor at the Saints wants to pull on 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:20.360 the knee, while the doctor the Buccaneers wants to pull 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:22.880 on the knee, the doctor the Cowboys wants to So 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:24.879 see now that's why. And he was talking about it 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:27.440 was seven hours of you know, to go through that. 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:29.399 He got in the MRI at seven or eight this 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:32.320 morning and he wasn't done right and looked at until 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:36.400 he came here and hundred seven hours. And remember last 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:38.760 year though we had there was a bunch of rumor 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:41.159 about well girl, he doesn't want people to look at 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:44.800 his knee. That's why he didn't want Because of that, 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:48.080 what Miles Jack just went through, he didn't He didn't 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:51.080 want people pushing and pulling on his knee. So to 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:54.520 get through all that. But talk about Miles Jack, you know, 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:57.639 questions about really how big he was. I think on 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:00.160 the Draft show, we've told people he's six one two 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:03.840 forty five. What Smiles Jack? Six one two forty five, 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:07.080 that's what they had. He's not a small guy. You 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:10.520 should eliminate the questions about him being a potential mic line. 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:14.080 Eliminate that that he's two small questions because he physically 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:17.320 looks good and NFL teams are they're thinking the same way. 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:19.040 I mean, right, this is one of those guys you 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:21.600 just don't overthink it, and you know, say, well he's 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:24.040 only a fit here or here, he can play any 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:26.760 linebacker spot. Yeah, well talk about that a little bit day. 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:29.240 Don't talk about that, he said, talk, well, no, but 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:32.439 talk but no, no, talk about what he said. He 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:36.600 said that teams have asked him about all well all 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:40.000 three four three linebacker spots right inside in a three 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:43.160 four right safety right and then a couple even threw 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:45.120 and some jokes about running back. Yeah, like, I mean, 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:46.920