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Speaker 1: from deep within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at Pally Ran.

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Speaker 1: The Dallas Cowboys Select Byron Joe and now your hosts

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Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us well. It's

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Speaker 1: the Draft Show once again from the two thousand and

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Speaker 1: sixteen NFL Combine here in Indianapolis. Lucas Oil Stadium has

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Speaker 1: been our home here now for the last several days

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Speaker 1: as we physically get workouts being done on the field.

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Speaker 1: It's been a whirldwind day for my colleagues, Dame Brugler

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Speaker 1: from CBS Sports and from Dallascowboys dot Com. David Hellman

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Speaker 1: as well, Uh from Dallascowboys dot Com. And then once

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Speaker 1: again my favorite Brit mister Turner. How are you doing today, sir?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing right well. Thank you. My first good night's

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Speaker 1: sleep last night. Sorry, favorite, he's my favorite Brit. About John,

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Speaker 1: They're all I have a bunch of favorite, but he's

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Speaker 1: my favorite scouting brit. Okkak, I got you so yeah.

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Speaker 1: So Dan Turner once again joins the program and uh, guys.

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Speaker 1: We we've talked about it. Everybody's allowed kind of dragging

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Speaker 1: a little bit right now. I mean, don't don't lump

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Speaker 1: me in there with that, you know, when we lump

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Speaker 1: you in the dragons. I just I just wrote this

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Speaker 1: awesome Miles Jack feature. I'm are you pumped about molest Jack?

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Speaker 1: I am pumped about Miles Jack. Okay, well we'll get

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Speaker 1: to Mommy. I'm easily swayed though. Like basically, every time

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Speaker 1: I go watch a guy talk, if he's good, I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: to kind of replace you in our scouting rotation, because

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Speaker 1: because my man will he will ride the roller coaster ride,

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Speaker 1: like we talk about, the bar goes from his lap,

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Speaker 1: saying tired because every time we turn around there was

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Speaker 1: things going on with the workouts. You're trying to pay

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Speaker 1: attention to the workouts a little bit. You're trying to

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Speaker 1: like Dave says, somebody gets called to the podium and

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Speaker 1: then and then the direction of the story goes another way.

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Speaker 1: And then we had a lot of storylines today. This

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Speaker 1: is a great event for somebody with add Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of stories going going on here and

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Speaker 1: uh but let's let's let's cover the ones. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, you know, we always encourage you to reach

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Speaker 1: out to the Draft show. At the Draft show, Dave

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Speaker 1: is going to go through like we did last night,

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Speaker 1: and like we do all the time, go through the

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Speaker 1: Twitter questions, try and find some uh, you know, questions

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Speaker 1: that are suitable for the draft. I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: have cowboy questions and all that, maybe that's another day

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Speaker 1: for another show. We got plenty of those on the

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Speaker 1: platform as well on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Try and

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Speaker 1: keep things to the draft. You know, we'll answer as

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Speaker 1: many of those as we can. Dave will go through them,

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Speaker 1: h and then we will we'll discuss I also, like

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Speaker 1: little bit about the workouts that we saw today, you know,

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Speaker 1: It's really easy for me to do this. Dame but

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Speaker 1: possible first round pick. That's something we heard a lot

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Speaker 1: view him as the third or fourth best tackle. David.

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Speaker 1: prevents a very interesting dichotomy. Uh, because I mean, we're

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Speaker 1: today Laramie tuns Will talk you talked yesterday, right, yes,

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Speaker 1: Um No, it's just interesting to me that, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: Tunsil's there, Conklin Decker, We've talked about these guys, but today,

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Speaker 1: Tunzel's the Cowboys pick? I don't think so. Is it

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Speaker 1: Com Draft Showboys hundred. We're back here from Radio Row

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Speaker 1: at the twenty sixteen NFL Scouting Combine. Brian Broadest, Dame Brugler,

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Speaker 1: David Helm and Dan Turner with you today. Of any

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Speaker 1: final thoughts though that, I didn't want to leave you

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Speaker 1: guys hanging before we went to break any any more

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Speaker 1: thoughts about anybody else. Uh we we we saw. We

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Speaker 1: finally got a Paxton Lynch. Sat Lynch came and the

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Speaker 1: reason he came late today it was because he was

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Speaker 1: stuck in the medicals for so long. Um and they

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Speaker 1: did find some things with both knees, shoulder and then

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Speaker 1: his shoulder broke as clavicle, and they they found some

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Speaker 1: pieces of you know, fragments of bones floating around in there,

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Speaker 1: and um, it's something that he said he didn't consider serious.

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Speaker 1: He didn't miss any practices or games or anything like that,

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Speaker 1: but it is something he This is Paxton's words, he

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Speaker 1: used the words spooked. A few teams were spooked by

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Speaker 1: what they found. So this is one of those things

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Speaker 1: where it's not something that overreact to, but just something

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Speaker 1: that belongs in his report and something that needs checked

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Speaker 1: out a long term. Although I mean, and I don't know,

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Speaker 1: and this is the first I've heard of it, I'm

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Speaker 1: not I'm definitely not trying to say there's something seriously

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Speaker 1: wrong with the guy. But hasn't that happened before? Jaya

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Speaker 1: Jayi from last year comes to my immediately sure, where

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Speaker 1: he's like, that's no big deal in that, and then

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden around draft him, it's like nobody

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Speaker 1: wants to take a chance on this. Yeah, but it's

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Speaker 1: those medical rechecks, isn't it closer to the draft? And

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Speaker 1: that's when they start to get leaked out a little

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Speaker 1: bit so that they do actually concern me a bit.

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Speaker 1: When when you when you hear these players taught, because

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Speaker 1: obviously they want to put on a brave face and

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Speaker 1: they want to they want to tell people that it

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Speaker 1: isn't anything serious. But in all honestly, these guys don't.

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Speaker 1: These guys don't understand it. I don't think none of

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Speaker 1: these guys have got None of these guys gonna be doctors,

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Speaker 1: none of these guys and they're gonna be physios. So

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Speaker 1: to me, it's almost, um, it's mean. I I don't

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Speaker 1: really believe these guys like Jaylen Smith when she was

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Speaker 1: saying about that there wasn't any nerve damage, like it

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Speaker 1: wouln't surprise me if he comes out comes out later

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Speaker 1: on that actually is nerve damage still. So yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: And in the in the Cowboy Team, doctors did did

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Speaker 1: did surgery. Doctor Cooper didn't surgery on Jilen Smith. So

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Speaker 1: you know it, Doctor Cooper one of the best in

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Speaker 1: the country at putting guys back together. So hopefully we

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Speaker 1: there's not Hopefully there's not any damage and all that,

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Speaker 1: and he can come back and play. I will say

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Speaker 1: the plans on doing is stuff on Saturday tomorrow? Does

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Speaker 1: he not? Yeah? And I want to say this though

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Speaker 1: about and and this is sometimes this is the this

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Speaker 1: is the hazards of not being with the team, but

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Speaker 1: but doing the tape and busting your rear and trying

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Speaker 1: to line these guys up. You evaluate that tape and

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Speaker 1: there's stuff that these college programs that they won't tell

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Speaker 1: these scouts about. And you know, you don't, you don't

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Speaker 1: hear about these things Paxson Lynch until he gets the combines.

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden you evaluate the tape and then

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Speaker 1: the next thing, you know, it's like, wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: now a team might not considering because being spooked and

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Speaker 1: this and this and that. So again that's something that's

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Speaker 1: just the hazards. You know. Paxson Lynch is a guy

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Speaker 1: I absolutely love and I and I will continue to

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Speaker 1: do so. But but it's all it's fascinating me to

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Speaker 1: hear now a shoulder potentially knee stuff and all that.

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Speaker 1: And but I will remember when we traded for Brett Farve,

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Speaker 1: and then and it was and it was going to

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Speaker 1: and Jeremiah Trotter is another guy Philadelphia bad knee. I

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Speaker 1: had a doctor telling me in Philadelphia, Hey, Brian, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if he's gonna play ten years or ten games.

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Speaker 1: So you know, you just these medicals. You just kind

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Speaker 1: of hold your breath on and hope you got the

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Speaker 1: right guy. Okay, So right now we're gonna do a

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Speaker 1: little a little twitter on the twenty. Thanks to Ed K.

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Speaker 1: Hill for always putting us together a long time ago.

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Speaker 1: So Dave take it away, all right. This one is

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Speaker 1: very pertinent to what we were just talking about. Ken

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Speaker 1: wants to know in light of this Jalen Smith press

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Speaker 1: conference and everything that we're learning about him. We were

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Speaker 1: talking about whether he's a first round pick. Do you

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Speaker 1: feel comfortable taking him at thirty four knowing that he's

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Speaker 1: a red shirt. I mean, it's very unlikely he contributes

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Speaker 1: it all this year. It's obviously for us we might

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Speaker 1: that might be completely different than what you know, the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys think or another team. I still think he goes

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Speaker 1: in the first round. As long as we're talking about

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Speaker 1: just like a red shirt, we're not talking about long

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Speaker 1: term issues. And you know, it's a speculation right now

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Speaker 1: until we know for sure what the injury is in

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Speaker 1: the rehab process and recovery. As long as it's just

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Speaker 1: a red shirt and there's no long term damage, I

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00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: still think he's going to go first round. I don't

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Speaker 1: think one of those playoff teams that Cardinals, the Broncos,

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Speaker 1: one of those teams will take a chance on him.

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Speaker 1: But if he is there at thirty four, I guess

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Speaker 1: it depends who you take a pick number focus if

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Speaker 1: you if you take a quarterback, for example, then you're

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Speaker 1: essentially taking two red shirts and with the first two picks, right.

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00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: But but honestly, I think Jane and Smith has the

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Speaker 1: best film of anyone in this entire class. So that's fair,

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00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: that's a fair point. I mean, he can, he can

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Speaker 1: just he's one of the few guys in this class

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Speaker 1: who can actually take over games from the defense. So

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Speaker 1: if he's there at thirty four and the medical even

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Speaker 1: if it's even if it's gonna be a red shirt, yeah,

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Speaker 1: as long as the nerve damage is and as long

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Speaker 1: as there isn't actually nerve damage there, then I would

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Speaker 1: d runs to plodium if he's there at thirty figuring, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's teams, and I always look at the teams out West,

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Speaker 1: and I'm talking about Arizona, and I'm talking about the

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Speaker 1: Rams now, the La Rams, those teams. San Francisco is

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Speaker 1: a team that remember when Harbaugh they had multiple picks

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Speaker 1: and they and they took the South Carolina running back. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and and all of a sudden, you know, you get teams.

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Speaker 1: It might just say, you know what, Saint Louis with

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Speaker 1: two second round picks. If this kid slides through and

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden gets past Dallas at thirty four.

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Speaker 1: Now you're talking about Saint Louis at forty three. I

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Speaker 1: meet the Rams, the Rams at the La Rams at

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Speaker 1: thirty four or at forty three, then here you go.

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Speaker 1: I mean that they they've done this before. They've they've

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Speaker 1: taken guys before and kind of you know and worked

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Speaker 1: it through. They did it last year with Gurley and

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Speaker 1: they in Arizona. Last year they took DJ Humphries in

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Speaker 1: the first round. The tackle he's gonna be yeah with

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Speaker 1: the idea of red shirt. Yeah, Bruce Harrian said that, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And so you know it's a little different position by position,

589
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Speaker 1: but same type of mentality. You know, at some point

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Speaker 1: he's a value pick. You pick them even if he's

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Speaker 1: not gonna play for you. This year, it will pay

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Speaker 1: off long term. Well, if any team knows about the

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Speaker 1: severity of the injury, the Cowboys do their doctor again. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: great point. Um Schmidt wants to know. And for all

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Speaker 1: intents and purposes, we're considering Miles Jack a mike right now? Sure,

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Speaker 1: I am Miles Jack. Reggie Ragland compare and contrast? Do

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Speaker 1: you like maybe Rat? I mean, Ragland's a pure mike.

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Speaker 1: Jack is obviously consideration versatile guy. Right Who do you

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Speaker 1: feel better about there as a mike? Yeah, as specifically

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Speaker 1: as a MIC linebacker. I still prefer Jack Um just

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Speaker 1: because of his versatility. Uh. You know, if you want

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Speaker 1: him to drop in space and cover, he can do

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Speaker 1: everything that you want. Where Raglan? And still the question,

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Speaker 1: is he a three down linebacker? Yeah, exactly, he's He's

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Speaker 1: a garbage man in the run game, cleans up the trash.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the best way to describe him. He's

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Speaker 1: an explosive striker downhill. But again, you know, is he

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Speaker 1: an every down linebacker? He does have some limitations, and

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Speaker 1: because of that, uh, gimme Jack Danie Ragland is probably

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Speaker 1: a better run defender. I just think I just feel

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Speaker 1: like he has better instincts, he can get off blocks,

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Speaker 1: take on skills. Yeah, exactly. And but Miles Jack is

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Speaker 1: so much better in coverage, and that's partly because Reggie

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Speaker 1: Ragland isn't even that good. But Miles Jack is one

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Speaker 1: of the best coverage linebackers I've It's probably is the

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Speaker 1: best coverage linebacker I've ever seen. Yeah. So, and the

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Speaker 1: fact is in these games, when with the play action

618
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Speaker 1: passes and passed on first down and stuff like that,

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Speaker 1: then you can't just have a guy and can't a

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Speaker 1: guy at mike linebacker who who can't do this? I

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Speaker 1: mean we saw at times, not with Rolando McClain as much,

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Speaker 1: but when Anti Hitchins was filling in, then teams are

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Speaker 1: Mike linebackers to turn and run. Most of these guys

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Speaker 1: can't turn and run. I mean, Luke Keachley is the

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Speaker 1: best in the NFL. If you try and do it

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Speaker 1: against Luke Keatchle, then just look at what Romo did

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Speaker 1: against the Panthers. He was thrown interceptions. So yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think the think too that I think Dane made an

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Speaker 1: excellent point. We don't know what Reggie Ragland can do

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Speaker 1: as a drop linebacker if he has to play on

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Speaker 1: the field. And I think the three down questions in

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Speaker 1: Alabama what they did, he was a sick um linebarer,

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Speaker 1: hand in the dirt here we go, So there's there's

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Speaker 1: a lot, there's fewer questions about coverage. And then as

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Speaker 1: much as the Cowboys played Nickel, you know, having him

637
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: and Sean Lee on the field at the same time

638
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: I think would be huge in coverage. This one's just

639
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: for you, Danny, because of what we were talking about

640
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: earlier today. No, it's good guy who had a rough

641
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: rough Friday. Alex Collins, Um, how do you feel? What

642
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: do you think about him? Now? Yeah? I mean I

643
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: wasn't I wasn't too high and Alex Collins going into

644
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: this either, I mean me and Dame both said that

645
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: we were both on and Jonathan Williams prospect. But yeah,

646
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: Colins had a really bad day to day, but bad

647
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: in the three cone road. Didn't run fast in the

648
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: forty And to me that's a translates onto tape as well.

649
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: The reason why he seems to succeed in college is

650
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: just because he's slightly better than the opposition in every

651
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: single facet Whereas if you if you look at him

652
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: in comparisons with these other running backs in the class,

653
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: and I just don't think. I don't think he's I

654
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: don't think he has the speed, and I don't think

655
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: that's the athleticism of them. I don't even think he

656
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: has the should know if the man, honest thing, you

657
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,959
Speaker 1: like him better than Dan? And Dan do I do?

658
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: What do you think I do? I mean around? You

659
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: know I had him in the third round. You think

660
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: I'm not You know, he's one of those guys that

661
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: I think the tape is always going to be better

662
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: than how he works out. But where is he in

663
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: your pecking order in terms out of the running well?

664
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: I pro Site, I'm always with the Dixon Booker pro

665
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: Sie lineup and then and then now give me the

666
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: rest of these guys. Let me figure out who the

667
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: rest of these guys are. And Collins has always been

668
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: that guy to me, I think I like pro sits

669
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: better than what you guys do. And I thought pro

670
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: Sites did a nice job today running and all that

671
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: I thought the best compliment he got listening to the broadcast,

672
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: if folks had a chance to watch it, Marshall Falk

673
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: was like, Hey, this kid gets it. This kid gets

674
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: it in the passing game. I could see him that.

675
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: I could see some teams doing some things with him.

676
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: You know, he way he extends for the ball, the

677
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: way he was running his routes and all that. The end,

678
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: I thought that was for me. In my mind, I'm like, well,

679
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: thank god Marshall fault because he was one of the best,

680
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: you know, receiving running backs in the gain. But I

681
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: think that, like I say, it would be Dixon and

682
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: then you know Booker Procisee. Those are That's how I

683
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: kind of see that that if you gave me choice

684
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: of second and two and three linebackers, that's I mean,

685
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: I mean running backs. That's kind of what I was thinking.

686
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: Collins or Henry. I think that I would take Henry

687
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: over Collins is what I would do. And I posted

688
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: this earlier today, but I posted all the fumble rates

689
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: from this class, and Collins is has one of the worst,

690
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: one of the highest. He fumbled once every forty three

691
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: touches offensive touches in college. And ideally, to put it

692
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: in perspective, Zeke is about one sixty and that's what

693
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: you want. You want at least, you know, I mean

694
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: the hundreds. Uh that that ball security is a big deal.

695
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: So that's something another thing that goes against Collins. My

696
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: biggest disappointment today actually for the running backs was Calvin Tayler.

697
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: I mean I've been filming him up on the sharp. Yeah,

698
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: they touched the ball at all today. It's like he

699
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: fought it the whole time. Watched him and he run

700
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: a full sixth on a full six in the in

701
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: the forty. You know, I just thought he played faster

702
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: than that on tape. And yeah, I'm surprised to hear

703
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: that ye as well. So that isn't helping him with

704
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: in the catching game, and so yeah, it was a

705
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: bit of a shine. The tape was better than how

706
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: he worked out though. Yeah watch him quick. Yeah, and

707
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: you watch the tape and you're and you kind of

708
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: like it. It kind of slaps you in the face

709
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: a little bit. I'll tell you a guy who just

710
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: and I know it's I know it's not the right position,

711
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: but Westerman from from Arizona, his his workout, his workout

712
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: looks like how he plays on tape. And that's where

713
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: you get encouraged, like you're going, oh, Okay, yeah, here

714
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: we go. That's it. But then when a guy like Taylor,

715
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: you're like, wait a minute, I watched him catch the ball,

716
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: I watched him run this one. I mean, I watched

717
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: him look faster. That's where it gets you. Maybe the

718
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: fact and these kids will improve, they'll go to Gainesville,

719
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: they'll get better times on him. He won't look like

720
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: as bad as he did to Dan. Don't believe you

721
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: know what? I love though, as like, if I'm make

722
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: an excuse for it. If you like the guy, you're like,

723
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: his prone will be better. Watch the tape if you

724
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: don't like. But if you I don't like the guy

725
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: and he's bad, you're like, he's a bomb. Get him. Yeah,

726
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: if if he did something too that, yeah, if you know.

727
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what. Though, I brought up Westerman.

728
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 1: We talked about White here that maybe that gap closed

729
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: a little more in some team's eyes though about but

730
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: then again, you know, we'll see. I think Westerman can

731
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: play guard. I'd like to try him at center a

732
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: little bit too, all right, I want to I want

733
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: this one is interesting to me and I move around

734
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: guys right here. AJ wants to know this room, this

735
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: guy reminds me of Eric Armstead from last year, just

736
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: in the sense he doesn't well actually the same school,

737
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: so yeah, but it it's it's it's just you're I

738
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: don't care about the player so much as just the

739
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: situation is, like we've established not really fitting what the

740
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: Cowboys are trying to do, but he keeps cropping up,

741
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: and so I just want to definitively hear from y'all.

742
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: Is it even realistic to think of him as a

743
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: one technique for three defensive tackle or is just shut

744
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: up and let DeForrest Buckner? Go? Go, go and watch

745
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: David Oving's film from last year. And I mean, I

746
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: know that he isn't in the prototypical fit in Rob

747
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: Marlandi's scheme at all, but the tall guy. Yeah, but

748
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: David Irving, I mean, obviously Bootner was a much better

749
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: play than Aving, but Loving was really disruptive in that scheme.

750
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: He was able to get off the ball and he

751
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 1: was able to use his length, And I wouldn't say

752
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: that I'm not sure that Bouttner is a right fit

753
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, but if if they drafted him at four,

754
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: I'm not sure complaining either, because I think he could

755
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: play left. I think he could play right three one.

756
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: Just move him all over, that's right, I agree. I

757
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: mean I like him better. I think his best fit

758
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: as a two gapper in a three four. Let him

759
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: play a five technique. He's a much better player than

760
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: Eric arn But at the same time, I think he's

761
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: good enough where he can fit really any scheme. You one,

762
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: he can play even or odd. He can play on

763
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: the outside. And I'll explaining even an odd to people

764
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,720
Speaker 1: that might be watching three four four three the fronts

765
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: an odd front or an even front, and in a

766
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: three four, I mean he's head up over the tackle,

767
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: you know, two gap and we're in the four to three.

768
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: Might you can't play outside the tackles, shoulder kick inside.

769
00:36:58,719 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: I think you can do a lot of things with

770
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: He's not limited just with his skill set. Now, is

771
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: he a bit taller? Does he play taller at times? Yes,

772
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: and that you know negates the leverage. But he's so powerful,

773
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: he's athletic, he's flexible. You can do things with him,

774
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: and so he is scheme versatile. He is a fit.

775
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: Is he an ideal fit? Probably not, but he's still

776
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: a fit. He can still be disruptive. Let me ask

777
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: you this and just hear me out. And I'm not

778
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: trying to bash this guy, but would you be surprised

779
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: if they liked him better than Bosa as a potential

780
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: what you just described as a you think both. I mean,

781
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: we all think that Bosa can play you know, left in.

782
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 1: You think he could play some right in. We think

783
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,720
Speaker 1: he could play some three technique. Yeah he is. Butckner

784
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: a more versatile player and could in the upside of

785
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: him be more than what you had with Bosa. That's

786
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: a great question because I think you're weighing two different things.

787
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: With Buckner you have the sheer talent and the physical

788
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: ability and some upside, where with Bosa you have a

789
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: little more technique, you know, a better understanding of how

790
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: to use his strength to beat blockers and be productive.

791
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: So you know, if the Cowboys think they can coach

792
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: the rest out of Buckner, wouldn't shock me at off.

793
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: They seem more upset there. Yeah, but if you're a

794
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: twitchy player, you can basically play anybody in Rob Maeronandi's screen,

795
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: Rooni's scheme. So yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

796
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 1: I Bookner ahead of Bosa because Bosa he is limited

797
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: by lack of just natural quick twitch five quiers. So

798
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: like with with Bookner, you could as long as he

799
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: can get off the ball quickly and he can, and

800
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 1: as long as he can. But I guess I personally

801
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: would still like Bosa had a Bookner on my ball. Sure,

802
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: if it's if they if they want just a versatile

803
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: guy there who can create pressure from any spoty ones

804
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: on the line, then then yeah, Bookner would be fit. Yeah.

805
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: I agree with Dane Noo. He's a three four defensive

806
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: is that's where he can be great? I just can't

807
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: And I feel like the Cowboys are sticklers for what

808
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: fits their scheme. Yeah, but it's the it's the you know,

809
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: they get us on this, they get us on this

810
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: multiple position thing. They did it with they did it

811
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: with their safety Yeah, they did it. They'd love to

812
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: do it with their linebackers, and they're talking about it

813
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: with their defensive line. Now. The kids said he met

814
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys, but he but they're really interested as well.

815
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: Was it a formal interview? Yeah, okay, I think, But

816
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: I think you can say the same thing about Joey

817
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: Bosa too. Sure, I mean and that's I think that's

818
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 1: probably half the reason they like him so much in

819
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: my opinion. I don't know if do we cover the

820
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: interviews or you know, how it works. Each team gets

821
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: sixty formal interviews at fifteen minutes each. So uh, if

822
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: he's one of those formal interviews, you can figure the

823
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: Cowboys have a chance to talk to sixty of these

824
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: guys here. Um, so you know it's like twenty percent

825
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 1: of the guys here probably right, Yes, I mean, let's

826
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: see if they bring him in on the thirty was right,

827
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: and that's that's It says a lot that they've interviewed

828
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: with him here. But you know, I'm not sure how

829
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: much it says when they start building the board. That's

830
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: what'll try for the for the for the layman. I

831
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: guess maybe that sounds insulting, but to the fans. I

832
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 1: just last year, I mean from the get from about

833
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: a month d I was like, get Eric Armstead out

834
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 1: of your mock. No, that's wrong. Yeah, so you're telling

835
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: me I shouldn't feel that way about But no, I

836
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 1: had a scout. I had a scout tell me after

837
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,959
Speaker 1: and Kyper was the first one to do it because

838
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: his first draft. He picked Buttner Yeah at that spot,

839
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: and I had a scout walk up to me and go,

840
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: when did we start drafting thirty four defensive ends here?

841
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying, and I went, I go, Yeah,

842
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: I was kind of curious because I go, I've seen

843
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: the guy play and that's where I think his best

844
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: position is. So the fact that they talked to him,

845
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: maybe they're looking at this draft in a little bit

846
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: different way of, Hey, we don't really want to draft Bosa,

847
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: you know, let's find a let's find a candidate that

848
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: could be maybe comparable to Bosa. That's kind of what

849
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 1: I'm in diligence. Yeah, But it goes back to David

850
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: Iving from last year because I never thought that David

851
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: Oving would be a success in the Cowboys scheme. I

852
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 1: just thought it was gonna be one of these guys

853
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: who was on the Cowboys roster for the requisite three

854
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: weeks and then they just cuts him because he wasn't

855
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: so you never saw him play inside of Kansas City then, no, See,

856
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. I watched him play like three

857
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: technique Kansas City and he wasn't bad, and they started

858
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: now playing him with some defensive end as a rusher.

859
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 1: So I loved him in Iowa State. Yeah, good tape.

860
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: I thought Kansas City ran a three four? They do?

861
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: They do? Okay, that makes sense. They were shipped and

862
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: put him down makes way more sense. Now. Oh goodness, gracious,

863
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: where are we? I had a good one. You need

864
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: to star him. Oh that's ah, that's not a bad idea. Um,

865
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: all right, well this this is an interesting one. Um,

866
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: we're talking I mean we're talking real question. It's a

867
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: real question. We're talking about. We're talking about what we

868
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: whatever we were talking about Kimdici Yeah, Um, we're talking

869
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: about Noah Spense. Given what happened with Randy Gregory. Uh, so,

870
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: who impresses you most, that strikes you more as a

871
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: right kind of guy? I'll throw Joey Bosa in there too.

872
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: I mean, he had a suspension. He's not a choir boy.

873
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: Um who stands out to you as a choir boy?

874
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: That that that maybe he's in play for the Cowboys

875
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: at four in general, honestly, going forth, going for But

876
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: I think later in the draft is interesting too, because

877
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: I mean, we know about the guys that are in

878
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: play it for. We know too much about it, could

879
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: Spence being play it for no after what you've kind

880
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: of heard from him today, if he's if he's given

881
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: that message to teams, he hasn't said anything that we

882
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: didn't already know or you know, we didn't hear at

883
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Um. I mean, it's just all it's

884
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: good to hear it, you know, and reinforce it, and

885
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: you know his path to redemption continues, and that's great. Um.

886
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: But again, you know, as much as we talk about

887
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: the off field, the on field is a very talented

888
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: pass rusher, but I still don't trust him versus the run. Um.

889
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: I know his arms were a little bit longer here,

890
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: but at the same time he doesn't quite use them

891
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: effectively all the time. And so as much as I

892
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: do like him as a pass rusher, I still have

893
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,479
Speaker 1: playing of questions about him as a run defender. Okay,

894
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: I think you honestly, if you want, if you want

895
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: to high carts picked him before, then you go to

896
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: type one of these quarterbacks because to me cost him

897
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: when Jared Golf packs to lynch all these guys, I

898
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: mean even the glass light you running the draft, these

899
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: quotes about some scenes he quite high carrit To say

900
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: when you hear them speak, I've been impressed by all

901
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: of them. Actually when they were all in the defensive though,

902
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: and even Christian Hackenburg was lobb and grenades into the

903
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: middle of the things, kind of like, hey, look at

904
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 1: me over here, you know. I mean, well, that's I mentioned.

905
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: You know, we talked about Dak Prescott. Um. You know,

906
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of where my mindset is right now.

907
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: Is this team not drafting a quarterback at four and

908
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: then the third or fourth round. Dak Prescott's gonna look

909
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: awfully appealing. Listen to Dan for several reasons, and one

910
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: of them being his sterling and chant intangibles. His leadership

911
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: is poised, the way he handles himself. I watched the

912
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: LSU tape. Uh you see him just you know, correct

913
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: it up. Sorry, you see, And I mean he was

914
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: the reason you're put the offense on his back, and

915
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: you know he made the things happen. So I think

916
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott would be a perfect example of a good

917
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 1: character guy, guy you can trust. Uh don't have to

918
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: worry about them at all, whether he's in the building

919
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: or not. Who could be on the Cowboys radar. I'm

920
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 1: gonna sound like you. But just for the record, h

921
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 1: Miles Jack. Yeah, and that's right. I loved it today

922
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: when he I mean, he got a million questions about

923
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: his knee. Somebody said, are you tired of hearing about

924
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 1: the knee? And he was like, no, not really, because

925
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: it's the only thing there is to ask about. I mean,

926
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 1: he was like, I don't have any character flaws until

927
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: he works out March fifteen. Yeah, that's what we're gonna

928
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: talk about. No, but and and that's the point. There

929
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: isn't anything else to ask him about because he's a sterling.

930
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: He's got a sterling reputation. Otherwise, now, all right, we're

931
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: gonna hear about this. Is Joey Bosa too relaxed? Is

932
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: he too laid back? I mean, meeting out there with

933
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: with all of us, you know, he was just very

934
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: uh you know, very relaxed, very reserved. You know he

935
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: said he needed a red bull. Yeah then, and that's

936
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 1: what you know. I heard the word when we're walking

937
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: out of that interview, I heard, you know, some media

938
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 1: people sounded like a stone or sounded like he would

939
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: you know, that kind of thing. Like, but if he

940
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 1: comes like that, it comes off like that in interviews

941
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: the teams, you know, is that would that be a

942
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: red flag to you if he comes off just you know,

943
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: that type of present. I think it to Jason Garrett,

944
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: it would be he would take a step back. I mean,

945
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: he's had some bad teammates in his day, guys that

946
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: were kind of over the top kind of guys, and

947
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: so he understands you have to have that. But I

948
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,720
Speaker 1: think he would kind of be taking I think Jason Garrett,

949
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: he I think the reason why he likes Alabama football

950
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: players not only because of Nick Saban, and he just

951
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 1: likes he knows that football is really important to those kids.

952
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,959
Speaker 1: You know, he he understands. He looks at those Alabama kids,

953
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: he goes, if they could play for Saban, my god,

954
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: they could play for I mean, they could play for anyway.

955
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: They got to love football to be on the field

956
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: at Alabama. So maybe with Joey Bosa, he would look at,

957
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: you know and say, you know, I don't know, but

958
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: I Bosa isn't play. Let's not you bring it up

959
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 1: on something out there. It's a very good point. I

960
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: identify with Joey Bosa because he reminded me of me honestly,

961
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: a taller version of you, very a much taller version

962
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: from you know. I mean you carry yourself. He carries

963
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: himself relaxed, he's laid back. I don't doesn't try to

964
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: be someone he's not. And that's fair, and I get

965
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: I get crap about that all the time, and it's

966
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I should, maybe I should listen to

967
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: people's criticisms, But I don't think your demeanor is an

968
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: indicator of your work ethic or anything like that. For

969
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: whatever it's worth. Yeah, just being nice to yourself. I am. Okay,

970
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Speaker 1: all that. Uh had an opportunity today to visit with

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Speaker 1: some defensive lineman and you know, and I was. I

1021
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Speaker 1: a chance to get over and Dave, I think, do

1023
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Speaker 1: you went over did you get to hear Billings? I did.

1024
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: I was at when Danny you were over there as well.

1025
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: What do you think about old Andrew Billings? I and

1026
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I know we talked a lot about him

1027
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: as he's in play for that second pick. He's one

1028
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: of these defensive tackles that everybody likes so much. I

1029
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: love I love this interview. He was calm collecting. It

1030
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: was kind of cool because he was up on the podium. Yeah,

1031
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: but it wasn't like this crush of reporters like there

1032
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: is for some of these guys. You know, there was

1033
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: a crowd, but it was kind of very comfortable setting setting. Yeah,

1034
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: it was a question and people weren't shouting over each

1035
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: other to get their question in. Yeah, what teams have

1036
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: you visited with? Yeah, I hate that question. By the way,

1037
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: it's so stupid. They ought to eliminate that thing, you know,

1038
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: I mean the think port Jalen Smith was up there,

1039
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: but anyway, go ahead. I'm sorry about with billings here, no,

1040
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: I I it was interesting hearing him talk and he

1041
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: was kind of giving an idea of what he can

1042
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: do and what his game's all about. And I know, um,

1043
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: I know that he's seen as a one technique for

1044
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: the most part, but he was I mean, he was

1045
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: talking about how much he like he he likes to

1046
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: make plays, he can penetrate, he can get off blocks. Um.

1047
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: I thought it was funny because I'm I mean, he's

1048
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Speaker 1: six flat if that right. I'm like Aaron Donald, Hey,

1049
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: what's up, Aaron Donald? Get in here. Um. But he

1050
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: said the guy that he really loves and like wants

1051
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: to emulate and stuff like that is Wentz WinCE Vince Wilfork,

1052
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Speaker 1: which obviously, I mean, it's a different scheme from what

1053
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Speaker 1: the Cowboys around, but I still thought that was interesting

1054
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: in terms of what he can do. I mean, Wilfork

1055
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 1: got so much credit for so many years for base

1056
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: basically freeing up half of the Patriots defense to make plays.

1057
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: If he can do that on top of being able

1058
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: to I mean, I like Nick Haden more than the

1059
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: average person, but if he can even make a few

1060
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: more plays than Nick Haden, then it's a big improvement. Danny,

1061
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: you think he's just a two down player, Yeah, but

1062
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: I do think he can learn more though. I mean,

1063
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: the fact is he actually looked raw on tape in

1064
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: my opinion, but there are there's definitely flashes in. There's

1065
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: definitely flashes on there. And interestingly, probably after today, I

1066
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 1: think I actually liked him a little bit more. It

1067
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: just purely because of how he actually looked in person.

1068
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: I mean, he may only be six foot, but this

1069
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: guy looks like a defensive tackle like morehere. Yeah, yeah,

1070
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: you can sell. You can tell he's been a weightlifter

1071
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: and has this air of confidence about him. But it's

1072
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: not cockiness. It's just you can tell he's just a

1073
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: confident lad and um. But yeah, I think after today though,

1074
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: I just start to like him a little bit more. Yeah,

1075
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: he's he's a good player, and I did like how

1076
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: he said that he prefers the four to three. He

1077
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: wants to be in a four man as well, and so, yeah,

1078
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 1: I think Andrew Billing he's interesting. I agree with Dan

1079
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 1: that you know, he is raw in some areas, especially

1080
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: is his ball awareness h and kind of his instincts

1081
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,919
Speaker 1: is anticipation. But physically, when he's healthy, he moves really well.

1082
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: He's obviously strong. So I'll tell you what though. The

1083
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: thing that I was always impressed about him and man

1084
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: his size though, as far as his weight and his

1085
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 1: ability to get to the outside, he's not just limited.

1086
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: He's not gonna get hooked. I mean he's gonna keep fighting,

1087
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: keep moving. And you see him get up to feel

1088
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: that way. And I think that sometimes you get these

1089
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: defensive tackles, especially these ones, and they don't move right,

1090
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: you know, they just kind of get locked on, they

1091
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 1: get scooped and hooked and and then you don't get

1092
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: a guy that's part of the part of the play

1093
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: at the point of attack. And I mean he talked

1094
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: a decent a bit about that. He's He's like, I'm

1095
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: not just here to take up space, right, I mean,

1096
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: that's not his games go outside. Yeah, um, and I yeah,

1097
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: I thought that was going and interesting to me. He

1098
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: actually said he used to play offensive line. Yeah, that's

1099
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: what he most offensive and call or in high school

1100
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: that's what he played most offensive line. I thought, I'm

1101
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: the last person who should criticize anybody's height, but he

1102
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: was like, well, I really fell in love with the

1103
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: game on defense. And I was like, are you sure

1104
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: it's just because you stopped growing? I mean, like, you

1105
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 1: can't play offensive line at a high level when you're

1106
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: six foot tall. Money. Do you have a chance to

1107
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: see Jarren Reid today listen to him talk? Yeah, a

1108
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: little bit, you know, and I think it was kind

1109
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: of what I expected that there wasn't anything any you know,

1110
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: breaking there. One guy that I did enjoy listening to

1111
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: is Darren Lee, Ohio state linebacker. I really liked what

1112
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: he had to say about how the game is changing

1113
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 1: with in terms of speed, you know, just the nature

1114
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: of the game is faster than it's ever been. And

1115
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: because of that, the NFL needs guys like Darren Lead.

1116
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: He's fast linebackers, these versatile guys that might not they're

1117
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: not the Reggie Raglins that we've seen, you know, ten

1118
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, but they're that new breed, and I

1119
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: think Darren Lee embraces that. And I think some team

1120
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: in the mid first round is going to embrace that

1121
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: as well and use his strengths to impact defense. Talk

1122
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: about me a little bit. I actually really like Lee's film.

1123
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 1: I think he has in these things that I can move.

1124
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: But the movie problem with Darren Lee is that there's

1125
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: only so many teams who play a four three, and

1126
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: that means there's only so many will linebacker sports in

1127
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: the NFL, and there's a lot of linebackers out there.

1128
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: There's a lot of undersized linebackers who play. So how

1129
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: many teams actually need, actually need a wild linebacker? And

1130
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: the fact is that Darren Lee is a good player,

1131
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 1: But the fact is he's only played that he's only

1132
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 1: played linebacker. What is it two years or right? Yeah,

1133
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: and he used to be a quarterback before the high

1134
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: school scouts team. See if he has a red shirt,

1135
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: then we've been linebacker the last two years. And he's

1136
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: undersized as well. So there's just quite a lot of

1137
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: not red flags there as such, but just quite a

1138
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 1: lot of things that just make me concern to potentially

1139
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:45,919
Speaker 1: take him in the top half of the first round

1140
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 1: in your linebacker pecking order. Where is he? It goes

1141
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: Miles Jack Jalen Smith, although this is considering he doesn't

1142
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: have the nerve damage then Reggie Ragland, then Darren Lee.

1143
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: That's the same way. Yeah, yeah, I just I've I've

1144
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 1: spaced out on Darren Lee for some reason. I don't

1145
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: feel ever you haven't liked him the whole No, No,

1146
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: and and you know, and I think those guys get

1147
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: to go back to and No. I feel like though

1148
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: I felt like I gave the kid his due. I

1149
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 1: really do. And I felt like that, and correct me

1150
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. Did I catch a bad run of film?

1151
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: Did you know? Did I catch a bad run where?

1152
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: You know I'm watching him I'm trying to watch him

1153
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: against Michigan State, and I'm trying to watch him against

1154
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 1: Michigan And I'm trying to watch him against you know,

1155
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: these teams that you know I'm not I'm not watching

1156
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: him against Hawaii. You know, I'm watching him against people

1157
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: you know they can they can knock his ass off.

1158
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: That's some you know. Some of his best tape is

1159
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 1: from actually the playoff last year. I can to Alabama.

1160
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: Yeah there you got. If I've got, If I've got

1161
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: twelve games of this year, I'm gonna watch twelve games

1162
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: of this year but if I need to go back

1163
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: and watch Alabama level of competitions, obviously what you want. Yeah,

1164
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: I definitely check out those yas. Who did you watch

1165
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: him play? I mean, you don't have to go back

1166
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: and love no, but that's what I'm seeing when we

1167
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: when we sit down with KT, Jeff and I when

1168
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,240
Speaker 1: sometimes with Dane, I mean, I haven't asked you these questions,

1169
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: like we'll get a run of it. We'll get a

1170
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: run of a tape where they broke They've got a

1171
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,959
Speaker 1: guy broken down, and it's like, okay, skip through, skip

1172
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 1: through this one, skip through this. You know they're playing teams. Yeah,

1173
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: if they're playing teams, I don't need to see I

1174
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 1: don't need to see Joey Bosa like sacking the Hawaii

1175
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: quarterback five times. You know, if he's sacking Michigan. If

1176
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: he's sat sacking that guy five times, you know, I'm

1177
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: like going, okay, you know, I'm I'm I'm digging it.

1178
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: But so that that's where I mean, maybe with Lee

1179
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: and and I'm with you, I do there. I mean,

1180
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: he's if I look at my sheet, there's there's two

1181
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: guys that I need to go back and study, and

1182
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: I need to go back and study the Robinson kid

1183
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: from from LSU. I think I have an idea what

1184
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: he is, but I'm but I understand what you're saying.

1185
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying. No, no, he's not, and

1186
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: that's fine, that's fine. He's a train wreck. But I

1187
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: want to make sure I get him right, you know.

1188
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: I want to make sure and I think that's our

1189
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: job to try and do that start of the day

1190
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: after Thanksgiving. If you don't get every player I started

1191
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: the minute that Tony Romo was laying on the thousand Yeah, no,

1192
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: be good, no, no, but I just want to make

1193
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 1: sure that I have him right. And because I trust

1194
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 1: what you guys are saying about the player right, you know,

1195
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: and I you know, and if if if I caught

1196
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: a bad run of tape because he was not being

1197
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: productive against you know, the teams that that they go

1198
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: and watch some past heavy teams who they play against.

1199
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: Because his his big advantages is range, so he can

1200
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: get sidelines to sidelines so easily, and he can get

1201
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: he can turn his hips and run down fields. In

1202
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: all honesty, you probably have to find the best quarterbacks

1203
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: who they played last year and watch those games. Quarterbacks.

1204
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: You can see them on the field tomorrow. Yeah, I

1205
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: was gonna get to that about what some thoughts about

1206
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: that we're kind of a little short on time here.

1207
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: But the way they wow, they are they break up

1208
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: into two groups. In the first group there will be

1209
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: Goth Hackenburg those probably the two main ones in the

1210
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: first group to second group, or Cardil Jones being the

1211
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: first group to second group wentz Lynch. So the quarter

1212
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: big name quarterbacks we've broken up into the two groups,

1213
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: would just be great to see, you know, one after

1214
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: the other, how the ball comes off their hand. They'll

1215
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: be throwing to these receivers they've never worked with before,

1216
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: so there'll be some bad passes that's going to happen.

1217
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: Cam Newton had one of the worst combine performances we've

1218
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: seen here, so don't you know, we can't put too

1219
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: much stock into how the performance here by these quarterbacks,

1220
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: but it's still great to see him out go out

1221
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: there and rip it. Yeah, And I think to keep

1222
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: an eye on sometimes these quarterbacks will get a good

1223
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: and I said, good run or bad run of tape.

1224
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: You get a good run bad run of receivers. You know,

1225
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: they these receivers can make you look bad too. All

1226
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're working with guys that are dropping

1227
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: the football and you're going, wait a minute, now, I

1228
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: just put it right on you man, and you're here

1229
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: at the combine and that to catch that ball. I mean,

1230
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: you talk about people not wanting to run at the combine.

1231
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: People will pass on this stuff too, so they can

1232
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: work with their guys back into our school and also too,

1233
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: flip it the other way. Their receivers that are really

1234
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: good that will catch a bad run of quarterbacks yea,

1235
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden they're running around and the

1236
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: ball goes six feet over their head and they're looking

1237
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: those quarterbacks like, okay, what Connor Cook? Yeah, what did

1238
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: you just do? The biggest thing I'm looking forward to

1239
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: is the gauntlet. That's my favorite drill for these receivers.

1240
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: If you have questionable hands, you're you're not going to

1241
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: survive the gauntlet. Well it's going to be exposed. It's

1242
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: funny because Daniel Jeremiah said today on their pre the

1243
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: pre Combine show, he hates the gauntlet drill. He absolutely

1244
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: hates the drills. His argument was, you're catching it and

1245
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: you're getting you're getting away from it. You're just getting

1246
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: getting rid of it. So well. I love the gulden

1247
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: that drill too, because to me, it's the only way

1248
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: that they any time when you had to see these

1249
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: guys forced to hands catch. So essentially, these guys, if

1250
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: thea's gonna bring their hands together before they got to

1251
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: extend for the ball, right, they're gonna they're gonna get it.

1252
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: And a lot of these guys just call him do

1253
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 1: that and you'll see that tomorrow. And a lot of

1254
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: it is with the eyes because you're looking this way

1255
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: for the ball, then you have to readjust look this way.

1256
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: Your eyes have to be able to quickly pick up

1257
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: that ball in flight and hand hands catch like you said,

1258
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: so there are a lot of benefits. I get what

1259
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,479
Speaker 1: DJ is saying about catching it and immediately you getting

1260
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: rid of It's like catch it and get rid of

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Speaker 1: it as fast as you can. Okay, well listen, that's

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Speaker 1: all the time that we have today. One quick reminder, sorry,

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Speaker 1: go ahead. Just tomorrow we get our look at our

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Speaker 1: last big number four prospect and Jalen Ramsey. Sure, yeah

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Speaker 1: that is jal that will be that'll be yeah, back tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: Dave will be all over that and I can say

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Speaker 1: it's a world wind stuff going on. We lose Dan

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Speaker 1: Brugler tomorrow afternoon, so we'll have to sub out for him.

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Speaker 1: But thank you for a great week. Thank you, my friend,

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Speaker 1: and UH always appreciate your knowledge and your efforts and

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Speaker 1: all that. You're the real MVP DA No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: absolutely all right for so for Dan Burglar, for David Hellman,

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Speaker 1: for Dan Turner, for Kent Gerris, I, Brian Bros. Thank

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Speaker 1: you again for joining us here at the twenty sixteen

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Speaker 1: NFL Scouting Combine. We'll be back tomorrow for our final

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Speaker 1: show here from Indianapolis, so heay care. We'll see you then,

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Speaker 1: Umber