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Speaker 1: This program features the individual opinions of the hosts, guests,

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Speaker 1: and callers, and not necessarily those of the producer, the station,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Thursday, March nineteenth. I am

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Speaker 2: Stephanieleidecker here with my ladies, Courtney Armstrong and Body Move in.

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Speaker 2: And yes, we have a stack knight of headlines. A

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Speaker 2: police officer who was shot by her fellow officers waives

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Speaker 2: her right to a jury trial in a very controversial case.

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Speaker 2: Plus rapper Afroman. If you haven't been following this case,

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Speaker 2: it's about time that you do. He has won his

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Speaker 2: Ohio civil lawsuit against the police department. It has been

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Speaker 2: all over social media today. If you don't know anything

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Speaker 2: about Afroman, buckle up. Plus, we're diving into that twisted

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Speaker 2: murder of sixteen year old Skylar Nice, murdered by her

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Speaker 2: best friends, and so much to discuss there. And also

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Speaker 2: we have some really devastating news about the case that

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Speaker 2: we discussed last night.

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Speaker 3: At the top of the show.

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Gracie, the young twenty year old from the University

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Speaker 2: of Alabama. He had gone missing. He was on spring

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Speaker 2: break basically visiting friends in Barcelona, a great little trip,

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Speaker 2: lots of friends staying in airbnb. He was last seen

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Speaker 2: around three am and had gone missing. His phone was

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Speaker 2: found on the beach. Authorities had that his friends that

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Speaker 2: he was traveling with are obviously losing their minds. They

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Speaker 2: had gone to a nightclub and had gotten separated. You

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Speaker 2: know how that happens, And unfortunately it is not a

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Speaker 2: happy ending. His body was found in the Mediterranean Sea

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Speaker 2: and very fairly shallow water, thirteen feet of water, right

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Speaker 2: outside the club where they were, and the authorities are

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Speaker 2: ruling out foul play. He may have just you know,

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Speaker 2: had one of those nights. Eighteen years old is the

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Speaker 2: drinking age there, And although we don't know this, it's

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Speaker 2: just such a tragic end. He was, by all accounts,

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Speaker 2: a tremendous kid and an honor student. He was studying accounting,

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Speaker 2: and you know, a beloved friend and boy. It's just

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Speaker 2: devastating for everyone. So I wish I had a better

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Speaker 2: update on that. It was suddenly national news all morning,

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Speaker 2: so I saw it everywhere and again we got some

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Speaker 2: close contacts through the family, and needless to say, they

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Speaker 2: are devastated beyond of course.

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Speaker 3: Of course, it really hit me today like this one.

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Speaker 3: For some reason.

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Speaker 2: I know we cover lots of these cases, and I

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Speaker 2: was brought to tears by the news of this and

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Speaker 2: for whatever reason.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: If it's in the air today, it just has been

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Speaker 2: one of those mercury and retrograde heavy heart.

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Speaker 3: Today's the last day. I heard somebody said today's last.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm hoping that week because I think we're all

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Speaker 4: kind of feeling a little heavy today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but.

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Speaker 5: No, I was going to say everybody, and before air

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Speaker 5: we were talking and say, hey, you know, everyone has

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Speaker 5: a going Mike.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Everyone in my whole house, including my dogs, has cried

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Speaker 5: at least once today.

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Speaker 3: Like it is. I can't explain it.

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Speaker 2: I know it's not over anything specific, just a heaviness,

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Speaker 2: you know, And I think that's okay, right, So you know,

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Speaker 2: if you got to cry, cry.

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Speaker 3: It out, let it happening.

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Speaker 2: I would like to volunteer a new idea for us

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Speaker 2: this weekend and the days coming up. Rather than adding

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Speaker 2: more to our list and beating ourselves up, let's just

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Speaker 2: like lighten up on ourselves, you know, just put ourselves

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Speaker 2: proverbial glass of champagne this weekend, get your nails done

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Speaker 2: or whatever that is for you, as opposed to just

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Speaker 2: It's too much like the world is too wild right now,

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Speaker 2: and we all need to power up because I think

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, I have a kind of I have a kind

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Speaker 4: of funny not funny, but it can be funny story.

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Speaker 4: I can tell you guys, it's actually uplifting, funny but

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Speaker 4: also lights aha funny. To change the vibe up a

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Speaker 4: little bit, let's go do a talk about right now.

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Speaker 6: Hi, ladies, Stara again whim into Alberta. I just wanted

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Speaker 6: to provide you some comedic relief, but still in the

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Speaker 6: form of true crime. You should totally go take a

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Speaker 6: look at the Afroman civil lawsuit going on right now.

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Speaker 6: I think it's referring to defamation because he made music

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Speaker 6: the sorts. You have to go look at clips online.

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Speaker 6: It is hilarious. His instrum account is hilarious. Anyways, love

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Speaker 3: We love you too.

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Speaker 2: Helarius has been everywhere today and I have gotten several

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Speaker 5: You know, I've been hearing about this for days. My

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Speaker 5: husband has been following it, and he admittedly he is

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Speaker 5: not a true crime friend, but he keeps texting me

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Speaker 5: to watch Afroman. I keep ignoring, leaving him on red

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Speaker 3: And it's quite a trip. But body's gonna fill us

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Speaker 4: I'm going to talk to like you, Courtney, like you

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Speaker 4: have never heard it before, right, okay, because there's a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of people that haven't.

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Speaker 4: I've been following it as well because it, you know,

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Speaker 4: it has some really important free speech implications to it,

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Speaker 4: and you know, I'm all about the the the amendments

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Speaker 4: and whatnot. So this one's kind of it has it's lighthearted,

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Speaker 4: but it has a serious, serious tone to it right too.

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Speaker 4: So A jury has ruled in favor of rapper Afroman

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Speaker 4: in a lawsuit. This lawsuit was brought by seven Ohio

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Speaker 4: sheriff's deputies over his use Afroman's use of police raid

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Speaker 4: footage in music videos. So Afroman got raided for drug

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Speaker 4: trafficking and kidnapping. Right, He wasn't there at the house,

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Speaker 4: but he has cameras set up all over the house, right,

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Speaker 4: So he got this video footage of this raid, and

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Speaker 4: then he used that video footage for his music videos,

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Speaker 4: which he wrote songs about the raid, which were pretty

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Speaker 4: I guess you can see, uh, the sheriff's deputies like

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Speaker 4: this lemon pound cake.

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Speaker 2: It's like in like one of the like it's a

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Speaker 4: And so he got sued by the sheriff's deputies because

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Speaker 4: of course, the the officer that's seen eyeball in the

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Speaker 3: From Family Guy.

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Speaker 4: He's sent thousands of pound cakes everywhere he goes, he's

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Speaker 4: called deputy pound Cake. You know these this is his

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is really serious, right.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, also they didn't find anything just

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Speaker 2: an Afroman's immediate It wasn't as though.

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Speaker 3: Afroman's like a good guy.

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Speaker 2: He's been a rapper and a commentator, kind of a comedian.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, social justice. You know people who they have.

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Speaker 4: That song, you guys know that song. I was going

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Speaker 4: to clean my room and then I got huh. He

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Speaker 4: makes that a popular song. But he's like a comedy

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Speaker 4: kind of musician, right, Yes, he talks about like serious

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Speaker 4: he also talks about like serious issues but makes it,

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Speaker 4: you know, more lighthearted. All right, and that's what the

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Speaker 4: saying poverty right right. And here's what he said. He said,

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Speaker 4: I asked myself, as a powerless black man in America,

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Speaker 4: what can I do to the cops that kicked my

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Speaker 4: door and tried to kill me in front of my kids,

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Speaker 4: stole my money and disconnected my cameras and Afroman hold

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Speaker 4: uh and pr this back in twenty twenty three, And

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Speaker 4: he continued, and he said, and the only thing I

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Speaker 4: damages they did to my home and move on, which, okay,

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Speaker 4: you know, turning lemons and you're making it unto LeMond exactly.

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Speaker 3: That's what you did.

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Speaker 2: A whole album from this NCD, right like he had

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Speaker 3: He did. And you know, and he testified on the stand.

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Speaker 4: He says, I have the right to kick a can

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Speaker 4: bad times into a good time.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I do.

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Speaker 4: And I think I'm a sport for doing so, because

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Speaker 4: I don't go to their house and kick their doors

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Speaker 4: then try to play the victim and then sue them.

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Speaker 4: I just made funny videos, right well. The UH now

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Speaker 4: retired deputy who was caught on camera checking out the

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Speaker 4: pound cake, his name is Sean Cooley, and he said

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Speaker 4: different people and is even recognized by other cops while

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Speaker 4: he's working cases in other jurisdictions in addition to like

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Speaker 4: want to know why I stole Afroman's money. It just

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Speaker 4: went from being a nice, quiet community, a job you

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Speaker 4: threatened because Afromanical accused them. So they confiscated like four

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Speaker 4: thousand dollars worth of cash from Afromanto five thousand thank you.

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Speaker 4: And when Afroman got it back, because of course he didn't,

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Speaker 4: they didn't find anything. So he got his money back.

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Speaker 4: It was short four hundred dollars. So in his songs,

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Speaker 4: Afroman is accusing them of fealing his money. Right, So

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Speaker 4: they're going on on calls and they're like, you guy

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Speaker 4: stole that from man's money. I mean this is serious, right,

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Speaker 4: I mean it's lighthearted, but it's serious, right. So the

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Speaker 4: jury disagreed. The jury listen, if you are a public figure,

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Speaker 4: which policemen are, right, yes, and you you have a

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Speaker 4: higher bar of defamation than you do against normal people,

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Speaker 4: you know that aren't public figures or even limited public figures.

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Speaker 4: We talked about this with the Jarrett Farantino a couple

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Speaker 4: of weeks ago. Yeah, you have there's a different standard

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Speaker 4: of you know care. I guess I don't know how

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Speaker 4: to say it, but it's a first Amendment, right, even

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Speaker 4: the ACL you got involved with this, you guys, oh wow, yeah, wow,

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Speaker 4: they even got involved with it. Public officials have a

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Speaker 4: higher burden, so the police had to prove that the

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Speaker 3: I mean, was he not looking at the pankcake? Oh,

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Speaker 3: you can't deny it.

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Speaker 2: It's likening camera and it's a little exaggerated in the

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Speaker 2: he's the police officers were following protocol, right, so they

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Speaker 2: were told to go to do this raid. And there

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Speaker 2: you are now in a video that's being you know,

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Speaker 5: Sure, so yeah, And I mean it was his footage

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Speaker 3: Were following their protocol.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't like, you know, they had done anything other

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Speaker 3: And that's totally fair.

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Speaker 8: On the start.

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Speaker 7: Okay, Like career is going to blow up after this

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Speaker 8: And the video. Watch the video and video watch it.

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Speaker 3: Watch the video and listen. Also keep it here.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna talk about jury deliberations ongoing in a landmark

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Speaker 3: It's happening now.

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Speaker 5: It will impact I think a lot of things, and

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Speaker 3: Keep it here. True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

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Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong and Body movin And yes we have producer

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Speaker 3: Eight eight eight three one crime. There's this incredible, terrible case.

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Speaker 2: Also Loyola University also a beautiful school, wonderful place to

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Speaker 2: go to. University, Boddy, do you want to give us

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Speaker 3: Gosh, this is so said. This happened today.

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Speaker 4: So eighteen year old university student Sheridan Gorman. She was

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Speaker 2: But I was curious the schools does not seem to

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Speaker 4: It reminds me of when the University of Idaho who

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Speaker 4: You know, it's just how do you know if you

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Speaker 2: No, And in that case, you know, it's interesting that

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Speaker 3: Nothing to worry about? Just go about your business here literally.

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Speaker 4: Another thing too, is that police are saying that, you know,

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Speaker 3: How do they know that exactly? How do they know?

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Speaker 2: It's wild to me because on the one hand, we

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Speaker 4: You graduate high school, you're you're off in the big

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Speaker 5: No, I was just going to say, well, obviously as

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, if you're just joining us this is true crime. Tonight,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and this was a case we started following with

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, Michael Bryant is the one who

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Speaker 4: she was shot by a fellow police officer inside her

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Speaker 4: why were we Why were the police at our house? Well,

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Speaker 4: Kelsey waived her right to a jury trial and has

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Speaker 4: selected that the judge be the fact finder of the

439
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 4: case instead.

440
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Speaker 3: In the trial is set to begin this week.

441
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Speaker 2: I went down a little bit of an ex dive

442
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 2: today just even about the idea of jury trial.

443
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, that was a.

444
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 2: Really strange choice. This case is complicated though, for two

445
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 2: real reasons. One, the person who's standing trial actually is

446
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 2: the one who had the injury you know, she was

447
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 2: shotting the chests, So I mean that to me in

448
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 2: and of itself, is a little confusing. So she also

449
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 2: has shared that she was having postpartum depression on top

450
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 2: of the mouth that's four month old, a very stressful

451
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 2: police officer job. You know, there were exacerbating circumstances and

452
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 2: maybe a lack of mental health care at the time. Yeah,

453
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 2: you know, she definitely is admitting to the fact that

454
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 2: she was, you know, having an emotional break. But again,

455
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 2: she sustained real injuries and this wasn't premeditated.

456
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Speaker 3: And I think the.

457
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Speaker 2: Hope would be that a judge is very measured obviously,

458
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 2: and because this case perhaps is emotionally charged because it

459
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 2: involves a child. You know, she's a mother, she's a baby,

460
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 2: postpartum mental illness, police officers, that it might be triggering

461
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 2: or emotional for jurors in some way, like she thought,

462
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 2: maybe she wouldn't get a fair shake, and maybe the judge,

463
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 2: who was very black and white, can look at intent

464
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 2: versus perception, you know, the totality of it and think

465
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 2: of it too.

466
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Speaker 4: Really Like I mean, listen, this is a risky, risky business,

467
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Speaker 4: but with a jury, you have to all twelve have

468
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 4: to you know, come up with a guilty verdict, right, which,

469
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 4: in my opinion, you have a better chance with with

470
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Speaker 4: a judge.

471
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Speaker 3: It's just one one. It's just one person. Yeah, it's

472
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 3: just one.

473
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Speaker 4: Kelsey did publicly state that her choice of this bench

474
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 4: trial is strategic. She said, I chose the judge. She'd

475
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 4: be the fact finder in this case. I said, from

476
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Speaker 4: the very beginning, the truth will come out. And you know,

477
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 4: the truth of the matter is she was in this

478
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 4: kind of like I want to say, Gray area with

479
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 4: her fiance, right, they were having problems. The text messages

480
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 4: between her and Justin have been released, and if you

481
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 4: read them, Justin is set to meet her and the baby.

482
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 4: They have a four month old son, okay, and Justin

483
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 4: is going to pick up the baby, and he like

484
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 4: stands them up. He doesn't show up to the park,

485
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 4: and you can really see Kelsey's mental state literally deteriorating

486
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 4: real time in these text messages. Have you, guys, ever

487
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 4: gotten into a conversation with somebody like really important to

488
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 4: you and you're maybe arguing and they stop responding and

489
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 4: you are just like desperate. Yeah, yeah, of course, very human.

490
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 4: And I feel that's like this desperate, this desperation in

491
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 4: one part that I can't quite understand, you know, because

492
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 4: I've never experienced it personally. But the postpartum part of

493
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 4: all this, Right, she had just given birth four months prior.

494
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 4: She was admittedly dealing with some postpartum problems. So these

495
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 4: text messages happened. Justin doesn't show up. The next I

496
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 4: think it was the next day, the cops show up

497
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 4: with custody paperwork. They're taking the baby, okay, instating, Yeah,

498
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 4: And she goes up to her room to like pack

499
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 4: a bag, I think, for the baby, and she reaches

500
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Speaker 4: for her gun because at this point, according to Kelsey,

501
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 4: you know, listen, this is like a really low point

502
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 4: for her, Right, They're taking my baby. I'm postpartum. I

503
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 4: can't explain it, you know, I My heart just breaks,

504
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 4: you know, her for this. She reaches for her weapon

505
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 4: in the presence of another officer by the way, one

506
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 4: that she works with.

507
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, they had done cases together, they

508
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 5: knew each other very well.

509
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 3: And there wasn't anything you know, not pleasant between them.

510
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 4: To this.

511
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 3: It wasn't like these were like work you know, enemies.

512
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 2: They were you know, there were comrades and they were

513
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 2: fellow officers. I don't know how a breakup at that,

514
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 2: you know, you're the idea, and listen, I'm a single

515
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 2: mom and my son's dad and I split very young,

516
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 2: when he was just a baby. And I can promise

517
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 2: you that's sort of really truly funky time when you're

518
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 2: when you're just alone with a baby, you know, that

519
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: can be really challenging, especially if you're you know, dealing

520
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 2: with postpartum depression and your body is not yours and

521
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 2: you've got to get back to work and you're feeling

522
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 2: low about yourself.

523
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 3: All the things.

524
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 5: Well and all of that and her baby was going

525
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 5: to be taken away.

526
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 8: They get away.

527
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 2: I can't imagine that is and she liked to take

528
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 2: her own life at that moment because she's in this

529
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 2: emotional fit, right, and thank god she didn't. I mean

530
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: almost was killed and shot in the chest. I would

531
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 2: have thought this getting shot in the chest part of

532
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 2: it would have maybe made this all kind of go away.

533
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 2: It does seem like from a sentencing standpoint, she will

534
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: likely be receiving mental health care and that this is

535
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 2: not going to be a life sentence, right. I think

536
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 2: it has a maximum of ten years and maybe even

537
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 2: two years of jail. That also could just be probation

538
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: with mental health care, you know, as a mandatory thing,

539
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 2: and maybe whatever it is that she needs.

540
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 4: But well, the prosecution, you know, they're alleging that Kelsey

541
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 4: pulled her you know, police service firearm and pointed it

542
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 4: at this officer, which you know is true. I mean,

543
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 4: it does changings quite a bit, right, And let me say,

544
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 4: you know, even reaching for your weapon in the presence

545
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 4: of an officer, I necessarily don't blame the officer for sures,

546
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, of course, and hopefully he

547
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 4: shot somewhere in her chest where he knew he wouldn't

548
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 4: kill her. I'm hoping, I don't know. Still, I'm definitely

549
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 4: not blaming the officer. I mean, he he's I mean,

550
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 4: this is your training, right, of course, Well so she

551
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 4: But they say that that she pointed it at.

552
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 7: Him, And there's no body cam or anything like that

553
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 7: with this case, no, because we don't know the direction

554
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:14,719
Speaker 7: it's pointed.

555
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 2: So I have seen some video, I believe, and it's

556
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 2: very shot. See the video of the interior of her

557
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: house and listen she's going through it. You know, this

558
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,239
Speaker 2: is somebody who's been through a tough stretch. And you know,

559
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 2: we have to not discount the idea of mental illness

560
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: really putting somebody to their limit. It seems like she's

561
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 2: taken her punishment already. H you know, this woman's been

562
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: shot in the chest and she doesn't have her child.

563
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 3: Remember, do you guys?

564
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 4: Remember she was trying to get off probation or something

565
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 4: and she couldn't do the blow test because she had

566
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 4: been shot in the chest and she couldn't do the

567
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 4: blow test to say that you weren't drinking because she couldn't,

568
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 4: I mean, she had just been shot in the chest

569
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 4: and they wouldn't lift.

570
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 3: That was it the bond.

571
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: It was the bond, And then it was brought in.

572
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: It was real that this has been a snowballed case.

573
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: It's fully controversial.

574
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 4: I think this might be a landmark kind of case

575
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 4: to highlight postpartum It needs to be.

576
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: We're seeing this more and more and more, and maybe

577
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 2: just because I'm when you have you know, friends that

578
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 2: are having babies real time. I mean, it is really prevalent,

579
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 2: and I think we have to really look out for

580
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 2: any moms that are delivering their children. You know, it's

581
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 2: supposed to be so perfect in so many cases, of

582
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 2: course it is.

583
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 3: But you know, if.

584
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 2: Your hormones are not yours and it's not feeling that way,

585
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: it's okay to get help, and certainly for fathers to

586
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: make sure that their baby mamas or wives or whomever

587
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 2: are are feeling as feeling as good as they can.

588
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 5: Although and slightly good news towards Kelly Fitzimmons, the judge

589
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 5: has allowed her to move into an apartment on her

590
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 5: own and to begin the process of seeking customs of

591
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 5: her son, which you know, some say it does indicate

592
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 5: sort of a provisional confidence in her stability and her safety.

593
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 3: She's not a joke. She's a police officer. He knows.

594
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: She's somebody who's been through training and you know, has

595
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: a very hard job. So again, I feel for the

596
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 2: officers who shot their bud. You know, how about shooting

597
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: her colleague in the chest because you think they're going

598
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:21,239
Speaker 2: to kill you.

599
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 3: That's not easy for anybody.

600
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 4: We'll keep everybody updated on what's going to happen with

601
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 4: Kelsey fitsmon suit.

602
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. So let's go to a talk back

603
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 3: right now.

604
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 9: Hi, everybody, this is Elizabeth from Washington State. And I'm

605
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 9: sitting here listening to Stephanie talk about her walkout song

606
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 9: and all of you, I tell you, you're sitting in

607
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 9: the car waiting for my husband who's getting tested for

608
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 9: his second incurable cancer. And I'm so stressed out and

609
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 9: I'm listening to you guys law and it's actually making

610
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 9: me less at a hard time.

611
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 7: I don't cry, it maybe cry, but happy at the

612
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 7: same time, Like I was, like, we brought her some joys.

613
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: We're so sorry that your husband is going through that.

614
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 2: That is not an easy journey. And boy, fight on,

615
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: keep the fight going.

616
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 3: We can.

617
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: We can do a little duet for you, and we'll

618
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 2: send you a little disk that.

619
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 7: Will keep the songs coming, and we will keep you

620
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 7: smiling and laughing.

621
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 3: As much as possible, so nice.

622
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 5: And we will be thinking about you and your husband.

623
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 5: And I mean honestly that you were able to laugh

624
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 5: a little like that valve that laughter through tears is Yeah,

625
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 5: it's just such a poignant.

626
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 3: There's no shuddered so closely.

627
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we've all kind of like giggled through tears

628
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: so many times. And yeah, we are rooting for him

629
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: and rooting for you. He's lucky to have such a

630
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: such a strong woman behind him.

631
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does take a village on that front. That's funny.

632
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: I went and watched the Eddie Murphy video that we

633
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 2: call Taha song My girl likes to party all the time,

634
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: and I got I had church giggles in my sleep,

635
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: like that has brought me the school giggles, So thank you.

636
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 8: Well with all of them.

637
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 7: I listened to the whole show this morning again, did you?

638
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,239
Speaker 7: I was like, I'm having one of these days, and

639
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 7: so I listened to just that segment and I was like, oh,

640
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 7: I gotta start a cracking up and laughing.

641
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 3: So I'm so glad. That's so funny that babe me smile.

642
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 7: And then between that and the news with the Bachelor,

643
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 7: I was like, okay, Bachelorette.

644
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 8: I've been like, okay, now.

645
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: Discuss Can we talk about this a little bit because

646
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: that was a pretty big shocking thing. Now the Bachelorette.

647
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: If you guys haven't been following, it's a big deal.

648
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: You know, we kind of off air maybe two weeks

649
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: ago or so, we were kind of debating is this

650
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 2: the perfect bachelorette? And it seems pretty unanimous. Everybody kind

651
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: of was into it. I don't watch the well, Sam

652
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: and Adam.

653
00:33:55,520 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 3: And I think we're into it. Yes, spent before, Yes,

654
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 3: I was very and courtnant.

655
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 2: You probably have watched the Mormon Show, right, probably more

656
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: than I have.

657
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 3: I've only kind of binged that a.

658
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: Little bit, and I don't even know why because it's like, frankly,

659
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: right up my alley. But to be honest, I think

660
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: the reason why I didn't love that show as a

661
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 2: reality show is that it was so there were some

662
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: parts that were really real and it's not. You know,

663
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 2: sometimes you see goofy people that they all know the

664
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 2: assignment they're they're on a housewife show, and they're dressing

665
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 2: you know, wildly, and it's sometimes it seems like a

666
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 2: little different or a little further away from real life,

667
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: even though that of course it's not. But yeah, I

668
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: was surprised. So now she has been fired and then

669
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: they canceled the show, but they already shot the whole thing.

670
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: It's gonna premiere, so the.

671
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 7: Entire show is shot and it's just going to go

672
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 7: to waste, which I mean that part is shocking to

673
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 7: me that they would.

674
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 3: Can you tell people why?

675
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, let's go through the story. So I know, like wait,

676
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 7: what's going on? Okay, do you want me to just

677
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 7: out skim through really quick? So basically, ABC has canceled

678
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 7: its upcoming season of the Bachelorette, which is starring influencer

679
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 7: Taylor Frankie Paul amid renewed scrutiny over her past legal issues. Now,

680
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 7: for those who don't know Taylor Frankie Paul, she's a

681
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 7: Utah based social media personality know for her viral mom

682
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 7: talk community and she had been set to lead this season,

683
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 7: but the network pulled the plug because she had some

684
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 7: domestic violence incidents that were involving that were involved with

685
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 7: her boyfriend, and TMZ released a video that tied into

686
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 7: the incident. And that video, I mean, I when you

687
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 7: hear and see it, it really is it's raw shocking.

688
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: But it's two things, just to just put out two

689
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 2: quick things. One thing about The Bachelor. So Bachelor, you know,

690
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 2: you say what you want about that show, Tyha. You

691
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: and I worked on it in the early seasons, right,

692
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: we both did the fires of the Firestone, but somehow

693
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 2: neither of us can actually remember where our officer we were

694
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: and like why we like had a brain fog about it.

695
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 7: Today I worked in the casting of like, I only

696
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 7: worked with the women who weren't cast. I had to

697
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 7: call them tell them, you can't be on the show.

698
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,479
Speaker 7: So we were in different divisions, you wouldst I would.

699
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 2: I used to do all their hometowns and stuff, and

700
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: then I did the Trista and Ryan Bachelorette, you know, and.

701
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 3: Those two were still together.

702
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: They're like on the cover of People magazine right now,

703
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: one hundred years later, and I was at, you know,

704
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: the wedding.

705
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 3: Those were the days that I was at.

706
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 5: The Bachelor ps. You sold a little short Stephanie Leidecker.

707
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 5: Not only does she perform duets at Great Adventure see

708
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 5: yesterday's show for what I'm referring to. She also you

709
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 5: were what the host of Tristan and Ryan's wedding, Well,

710
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 5: a host.

711
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 3: Is a strong word.

712
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: Chris Harrison was the host, and I was a producer

713
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 2: on the show at that time, and I was going

714
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: to be a producer at their wedding because I was

715
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 2: a producer for their season, Like I was kind.

716
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 3: Of the last man standing with them.

717
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: I really watched those two fall in love from a

718
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 2: broom closet and they're wonderful. I love them so when

719
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: they were getting married. I was going to work as

720
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: a producer on that, and my then boss was like, hey,

721
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: light Ducker, why don't we have you do a little

722
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: You can be the co host and you'll you know,

723
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 2: you'll be there, you know, with the girls at the

724
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: baby show, at the final shower and.

725
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,439
Speaker 3: Again oh yeah. And then I had to wear a gown.

726
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: I couldn't even like close the back of it, and

727
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 2: I was so nervous, like I had like five lines

728
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 2: at one point, and Chris Harrison is like.

729
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 3: So let's go to Stephanie. And they came to me.

730
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: And by the way, I know all the camera guys

731
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 2: because I work on the show, and they were like, yo,

732
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 2: why Ducker, you know, like throwing.

733
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 3: Stuff on me. I'm like, guys, don't you gonna get

734
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 3: me in trouble?

735
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: And I like tried to like save my big line,

736
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 2: you know, Oh, it's going to be the happiest of days,

737
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 2: and they.

738
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 3: Were like boom. Everybody was just heckling me.

739
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: So I didn't have like a huge part of it.

740
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 2: But the machine is very big. You'd be surprised. Like

741
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 2: The Bachelor, they shoot that for thirty days. You know,

742
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 2: those rose ceremonies in the house. It is lit up

743
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 2: like a like the super Bowl. In all seriousness, it

744
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 2: employs hundreds of people. It is a very big operation.

745
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 2: The casting alone. Taha can attest to it because he

746
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: worked in it. That is a very sophisticated process to

747
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 2: find the person who's the bachelor or their bachelorette, Like

748
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 2: they go through background checks and all of the things

749
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: like that was.

750
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 3: A really big deal. Anyway, that's just to set the stage.

751
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 2: So all these people shot the show, you know, all

752
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 2: these guys, you know, twenty five suitors that went to

753
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 2: find true love with Taylor. You know, now it's not

754
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 2: going to air. People are going to get fired, I

755
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 2: would have to assume. But it is very surprising because

756
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 2: this allegation of domestic violence, which clearly happened, also was

757
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: in the show, like that was their storylines, but neither

758
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 2: of them seemed to be anything other than toxic with

759
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: each other. And we've seen portions of this in the show,

760
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 2: even I've seen and I don't even watch every episode.

761
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 3: And it also was a little stinky that obviously.

762
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 2: They had to have known those were real allegations, these

763
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 2: were involved, so if you did a background check, you

764
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 2: would see it so that can't be a huge surprise.

765
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 8: And she's been talking about it, She's has.

766
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 3: Spoken very openly about it.

767
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then today I do find that scene is

768
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 2: surprising that she was able to pass a background.

769
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 3: I mean from personal experience, I'm being in on a

770
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 3: reality show. Yeah, of course, day deep into your life,

771
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: I mean, do deep into your life.

772
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if anyone doesn't know, but just surprise last

773
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: season of The Mole which was on Netflix, and if

774
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: you haven't watched that, please do because she's so good

775
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: in it.

776
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 3: That's a really hard process.

777
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 4: I'm just saying it's it's a difficult process. The casting

778
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 4: process is just by the way.

779
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 3: You're looking to find love.

780
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: You don't want to set somebody up with a person

781
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: who's potentially domestically violent, right, you find U new mate.

782
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 3: That's not ideal.

783
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 5: But okay, So this video where she throws a chair,

784
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 5: that's one that's circulating. Now, she throws a chair at

785
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 5: her on again, off again father of her third child.

786
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 3: But you could see.

787
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 5: On live TV her getting arrested exactly, So I don't know,

788
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 5: there's not a crime check. It's called turn your TV

789
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 5: on and watch the show that she's starring.

790
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 2: In not to mention it's also a little bit it's

791
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 2: a little bit dirty. I mean, I don't know how

792
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: to say this, because listen, if you watch that video

793
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 2: three and a half minutes, it's really hard. It's hard

794
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 2: to hear, it's hard to watch the child in the rooms.

795
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: The child's only six years old, the child that they share. Obviously,

796
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 2: she went on, they broke up. Obviously she goes on

797
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 2: to become the bachelorette, and there must be a little

798
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 2: more to this. But for the father of this child

799
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 2: to suddenly sell this tape now three years later to

800
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 2: TMZ just days before the premiere of her show so

801
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 2: he can get.

802
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 3: Custody also feels a little terrible too, Like I feel

803
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 3: like this is a real well fest across the board.

804
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 4: I don't think she's taking this seriously at all, because

805
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys follow her on TikTok,

806
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 4: but I don't. I've seen her on TikTok and she's

807
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 4: she made a video and she was like, I'm an

808
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 4: expert at dealing with people who hate me.

809
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: I'm not worried at all, Like she was just not

810
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 3: did she say that today? Well, it was a couple

811
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 3: of days ago. I can't remember differently away when her

812
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 3: show got canceled.

813
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, maybe so just some of the some of

814
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 5: the fallout for How Big and Stuffane was describing how

815
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 5: big of a production and how big a deal the

816
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 5: Bachelor and The Bachelorette are. The show cost about two

817
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 5: million dollars an episode to produce and per episode, yeah,

818
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 5: per episode, and there's a lot of finger pointing shouting

819
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 5: over who's to plaim.

820
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 3: And who should shoulder the cost.

821
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 5: And they've had to so many people have been let

822
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 5: go in the editors. So those listen, yeah, because all

823
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 5: of the footage has been shot. And then also I

824
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 5: didn't think about that. There's really costly problems at the network.

825
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 5: ABC has a bunch of trade outs, which is like

826
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 5: fly on Jet Blue or American Airlines. It's airlines, hotels

827
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 5: and other companies that pay money in return FaceTime on

828
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 5: the show.

829
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: No, No, that was our only job, just a little

830
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 2: inside baseball.

831
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 3: I was like so low on the.

832
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 2: Totem pole at this particular time in my world, we

833
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: were like not.

834
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 3: We weren't at the big kids tables.

835
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 2: Yes, And in my case, I was like, you know,

836
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: you're in cargo pants in a full sweat with a

837
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: headset on chasing around people and hopefully they fall in.

838
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: Love on your watch.

839
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 2: But part of our job before the show was shooting

840
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 2: is you basically plan big fancy dates like all of

841
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 2: those exotic places. Your job is to locate these exotic places.

842
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 2: And then they do what they call a trade out.

843
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 2: So I would say to a resort, hey, we're going

844
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 2: to do a whole you know, maybe even like a

845
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 2: half an episode or at least a big segment about

846
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: you're in the highlight of it will be the balloon

847
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 2: in the background at your resort, and we'll get massages

848
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: and also at your resort and all the signage of

849
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 2: your resort, and it's going to look beautiful. And they

850
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 2: basically not only do they pay to have, or at

851
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 2: least back in the olden days, I don't know if

852
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 2: this is still the case, they pay the resort does,

853
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 2: pays for the whole show to fly there, puts the

854
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: whole crew up.

855
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 3: You know, you're shooting in there. So yeah, that's a

856
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 3: trade that they're not going to get straight on. That's

857
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 3: a lot of money.

858
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 7: I have to imagine, because that was her storyline, they

859
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 7: had to know it. I wonder if it was originally

860
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 7: woven in as part of you know what we would

861
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 7: have seen like a little bit of the domestic violence.

862
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 7: This is a new medium, change, something that had to

863
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 7: tie with it. But the negative press started to come

864
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 7: out and it was just it blew up much bigger

865
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 7: than they anticipated now or they.

866
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 3: Were sloppy a little bit.

867
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: I mean, it might be just new people, because I

868
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: really liked our fellow teams mates that we worked with

869
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: at the time, you know, they took it very seriously.

870
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: And currently I mean, yeah, if you're suddenly going to

871
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: have somebody who's maybe an abuser, maybe you're thinking, oh.

872
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 3: This is going to be great, exciting reality TV.

873
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 2: And I just say, like TV time out on that front,

874
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: Like that is way too far.

875
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 3: And I think we've all evolved out of that.

876
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 2: Type of programming really in general, like watching terrible people

877
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: do terrible things. But I don't think we have, you know,

878
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: I think I think collectively there's a little like you

879
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 2: don't think, so maybe I'm wrong.

880
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 3: I mean, I see, I think my bar is really low.

881
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 2: You know, like I watch pretty much anything for some reason,

882
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: even I didn't watch the Mormon Uh, what is it?

883
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 2: The secret lives of Well Adam does Mormons.

884
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 10: Yeah, Adams, Sam and I both we talked for about

885
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 10: twenty minutes about this when we got into the did

886
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 10: you really Yeah, But yeah, it's well, I was watching

887
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 10: the I'm about halfway through the new season, which I've

888
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 10: been very invested in because it's leading up to Taylor

889
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 10: being Bachelorette. It's like weeks before she goes, right, and

890
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 10: I mean I have to say she didn't seem prepared.

891
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 10: She didn't seem prepared to go on the Bachelorette. A

892
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 10: lot of un resolved dramas, and.

893
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 2: She's leaving her child also for you know, it's easily

894
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 2: thirty days, so it's fourth big commitment. By the way,

895
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 2: for the guys that are trying to find love, no

896
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 2: walk in the park there either.

897
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, they had to all.

898
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: Take off work, they have you know, it's a kind

899
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 2: of a test, you're s questered. Yeah, they're hoping to

900
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 2: go to Bachelor in Paradise, by the way, my guilty

901
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 2: pleasure even to this day. But yeah, they're like, this

902
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: is an investment of time and energy. They don't get paid,

903
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: you know, they have to buy their own clothes and

904
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: do their own makeup. You know again, it's like a

905
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 2: big machine. It's really surprising. I think this is a

906
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 2: pretty astounding thing. Hey, Sam and Adams, since you were

907
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 2: so into this idea, how would you have felt if

908
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 2: you had gone on The Bachelor as a sooner if

909
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: this information came out?

910
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 10: Well, okay, well look this is that. That's not the

911
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 10: kind of question I would go on.

912
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 3: But but it's tough. I mean mentally, it is funny.

913
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 10: You better hope they're there for the right reasons, because

914
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 10: if they're there for fan then that's a pretty disappointing

915
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 10: thing to uh, yeah happens.

916
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 2: That was always our line, they're not here for the

917
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 2: right reasons.

918
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 3: Like you could hear like that. We would almost be

919
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 3: like a drinking game.

920
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 2: Like as soon as any every interview was like, I'm

921
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 2: not sure they're here for the right reasons.

922
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 3: You're like, is it true, Levey, they're here for the

923
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 3: right reasons? Yeah. I I so sorry, it's not gonna happen.

924
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, sorry, fans, my sister does not

925
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 5: know what she's going to do or planned for the season.

926
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 5: But listen, coming up at the top of the hour,

927
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 5: we would love to hear from you where at edit

928
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 5: a three to one crime. So share any of your

929
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 5: thoughts and we're going to get into the case of

930
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 5: Skylar Niece.

931
00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 3: Keep it here at your grounds and a.

932
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 2: Welcome back to true crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

933
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. Listen, we're already in our

934
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 2: second hour. If you've missed any of the first pleased.

935
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 3: No worries. You could always catch us as a podcast.

936
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 2: Remember we're here Sunday through Thursday nights live. But you

937
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: could always leave us a talkback and boom, you're on

938
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 2: the show. We will play it for sure. Keep them coming, everybody,

939
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: We eat them up. We love them and they warm

940
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: our hearts. We were just talking about the Bachelor, and

941
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 2: just to put a pin on that court, you had

942
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: some new information on this front.

943
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 3: Well, just I was reading.

944
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 5: An article and it was, you know, supposed to be

945
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 5: this big series sit down interview with Taylor Frankie Paul

946
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 5: slated to be the new Bachelorette. I mean, oh my gosh,

947
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 5: it's been you know, really promoted so widely. But she

948
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 5: in the interview was with the La time. She literally

949
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 5: talked about missing the flight she was supposed to take

950
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 5: to be on the show because she had been I

951
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 5: mean having sex with her on and off baby data Daddy.

952
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 5: She's like, I don't know, it's like an addiction. I

953
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 5: can't explain it. It's just the way my mind works.

954
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 3: So ratchet to me, her words not mine. Your word's

955
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 3: not mine. But I'm not in front yea, that is

956
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 3: what she said.

957
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 2: That's not even somebody who's really available to necessarily fine true.

958
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 3: Love, right or clout.

959
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 4: I know, but I don't like about reality stars. I

960
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 4: just the clouds thing. It's like so annoying.

961
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: You're the one thing that you would still think that

962
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: the reality shows will still be a thing, Like I

963
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 2: think cable reality shows.

964
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 3: He's taking a hit these days. Oh okay, great.

965
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 4: I said, they have to ratchet up a little bit

966
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 4: to compete with the I r L streaming and you know,

967
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 4: things like that. And I think that's why she makes

968
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 4: such a great bachelorette is because she's so ratchet. Right,

969
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 4: it's controversy. Otherwise people are going to tune in. It's

970
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 4: it's old media. It's just not.

971
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 2: Back in the day, like the casting really was, like

972
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 2: you were looking forward the nurse who can't love in

973
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: your town. Yeah, she works all the time, the real

974
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: estate agent who you know has some cash in her

975
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 2: own pocket but has been focused on her career, so

976
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 2: she hasn't found love in her small town. That all

977
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: really tracked now, of course, yes, it.

978
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 3: Became sort of a celebrity grab. I don't know.

979
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 2: We should ask our audio, you know, would you guys

980
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 2: like to see more reality shows or our cable shows

981
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 2: kind of done?

982
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 3: Like listen, I've done.

983
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 2: We've made a lot of reality for Jersey Shore, you know,

984
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 2: like og right, Yeah, Jersey Shore would not.

985
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 3: I don't think it would sell today. Unfortunately, I love

986
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 3: those kids, so I don't know. It's such a different

987
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 3: time anyway. Either way, it's very good because that was

988
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 3: very that.

989
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 2: She was very violent in that video, and I think

990
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 2: it seems a disturbing video.

991
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 3: It's hard, very so terrible.

992
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 4: Like I think she needs to I think people need to,

993
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 4: Like I don't believe in cancel culture at all, but

994
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 4: I just think people need to stop paying attention to

995
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 4: her period.

996
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 3: Right, Like no more cameras for a hot minute.

997
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 4: So she's so undeserving of whatever fame she has, Like

998
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 4: it's it truly makes me sick of society understood.

999
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 3: You know, that's fair.

1000
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 2: Although the other one from that show who I watched

1001
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 2: on Dancing with the Stars, who's now starring on Broadway

1002
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 2: in Chicago. I don't know what her name is, Courtney.

1003
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 2: Would you know who reaching red hair?

1004
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 3: Which one is she Adam Whitney with the red hair?

1005
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 3: Whitney with the red hair? Like I'm a sucker for her.

1006
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 2: I actually I don't know her from the show, and

1007
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 2: I know she was controversial allegedly on that, but I

1008
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 2: don't know.

1009
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 3: She seems awesome to me, and she's one heck of

1010
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 3: a dancer.

1011
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 5: She was like gently controversial if I can, Is that fair?

1012
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 10: She had one video where her child, like her newborn

1013
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 10: baby child was like having health issues and she's like

1014
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 10: in the intensive care you it, like doing a dance

1015
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 10: like in front of her like sick, like in Troubled Child,

1016
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 10: which was very distasteful.

1017
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 3: Oh okay, I take back episode, taken it back.

1018
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 2: I just think the tides have changed, and then maybe

1019
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 2: the world is so wild right now. I don't know

1020
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 2: that we need to a more into it, right And

1021
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 2: we're all watching our phones.

1022
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 3: Yeah true, true, anyway, who knows.

1023
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 5: Well we're watching our phone unless they're actually why we're

1024
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,760
Speaker 5: talking about the case we're about to which involve sixteen

1025
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 5: year old Skylar Niece, is because there's a new docu

1026
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 5: series out on Hulu and it's called Friends Like These

1027
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 5: and I'm actually very interested to see that because this

1028
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 5: Skylar Niece, I mean, Stephanie and I this is kind

1029
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 5: of been we cut it out of We covered this.

1030
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 3: Oh so ha's covered this. Yeah, we've done this.

1031
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 2: Neither of us can remember with who, but this is

1032
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 2: how many cases?

1033
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 3: But yes, we covered this, I think on Crazy in Love.

1034
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 3: That's correct. Yeah, you're exactly right, Stephanie.

1035
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,240
Speaker 5: So back in July twenty twelve, sixteen year old Skyler

1036
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 5: Nie she appeared to vanish from her home after sneaking

1037
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 5: out to meet friends, so police initially thought that she

1038
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 5: was a runaway. However, the investigators later uncovered that her

1039
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 5: closest friends, Rachel Chauff and Sheila Eddie, had planned and

1040
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 5: carried out her murder.

1041
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 3: Also sixteen. Yeah, they were a real trio.

1042
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 2: So Sheila one of them was like her childhood best friend, like.

1043
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 3: Sheila the accused, one of the accused. They were best

1044
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 3: friends since they were eighth grade, eight years old.

1045
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 5: Excuse me, yeah, yeah, so a little bit about Skyler niece.

1046
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 5: So she grew up to be an honor student, she

1047
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 5: had dreams of becoming a criminal attorney. And Stephanie, as

1048
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 5: you said, she met Shila Eddie, who would ultimately lead

1049
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 5: to her demise at eight years old, and they were

1050
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 5: absolutely a tight two for years and years. Well a

1051
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 5: year before the murder, a girl named Rachel Chouff joins

1052
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 5: the high school and then she becomes very close as

1053
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 5: well with the victim, scholar niece and the soon to

1054
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 5: be killer, Sheila Eddie.

1055
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 2: So now it's three musketeers now thanks or sometimes three

1056
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 2: can be a crowd, especially with teenage girls, right, yes.

1057
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 5: And indeed this friendship between the three it deteriorated, and

1058
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 5: Skuyler was within their friendship sort of the odd man out,

1059
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 5: the odd girl out, and they had tensions that were

1060
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 5: spilling onto social media. This actually kind of ties back

1061
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 5: to what we were talking about of just toxicity. But

1062
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 5: Sheila Eddie she posted, for example, I knew there was

1063
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 5: a reason I hated you so much.

1064
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 3: It was a cryptid tweet. She did not mention Skyler,

1065
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 3: the victim's name. Skyler.

1066
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 5: Meanwhile, post things like life would be so much easier

1067
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 5: if jealousy didn't exist, and this is why I'll never

1068
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 5: completely trust you. So things were tumultuous. However, on the

1069
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 5: night where she sadly lost her life. It was again

1070
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 5: in July twenty twelve, and Skyler, the honor student, had

1071
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 5: returned home from a shift at Wendy's, her job, and

1072
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 5: surveillance footage it showed her climbing out of her bedroom

1073
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 5: window and going into a light colored sedan which was

1074
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 5: driven by Sheila. Yeah, and Skyler left everything, you know, important.

1075
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 5: It just seemed like she expected to return. Now, the

1076
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 5: two girls, Sheila, Eddie and Rachel show if they drove

1077
00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 5: Skyler niece about thirty miles away and they out with

1078
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 5: them knives, bleach, cleaning supplies, and a shovel.

1079
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 3: Oh wow, So.

1080
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 2: This was a planned and by the way, just because

1081
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 2: quote they didn't really like her anymore.

1082
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 8: That's it.

1083
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 3: That's it. Well, it's one of the many quotes that

1084
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 3: we've seen it.

1085
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't want to cut you

1086
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 2: off court, Go ahead, you can cut to the end.

1087
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 2: Because she was missing for a while and everybody was

1088
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 2: looking for her, and even Sheila and Rachel, who we

1089
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Speaker 2: now know to be the killers, were posting online. They

1090
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 2: were a part of her search party. You know, everybody

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00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 2: was looking for her. You could imagine it's a sixteen

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00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 2: year old girl in this really lovely, normal high school.

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00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 2: This is a really lovely place too. Everyone kind of

1094
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 2: knows each other. There's the jocks and the geeks. You know,

1095
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Speaker 2: it seemed, you know, your quote's very wholesome.

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Speaker 3: Yes, body, I question.

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Speaker 4: So you said that the surveillance footage showed her getting

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00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 4: into like a sedan. Did they know that Sheila was

1099
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 4: driving the car at the time or was that something

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Speaker 4: they found out later.

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Speaker 3: I believe they found that out later. And excuse me other, right, right, Yeah,

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00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 3: that came out way later.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, she was also buried thirty miles

1104
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 2: away in Pennsylvania, so there was a pretty decent distance

1105
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,439
Speaker 2: between where they were versus where ultimately they killed her.

1106
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 2: And again, who's going to assume that the two friends,

1107
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 2: the best friends, are involved. I mean, obviously they're behaving,

1108
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 2: very distraught. They're behaving, you know, they're posting on social

1109
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 2: media that they miss her and hope she's home safely. Meanwhile,

1110
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 2: she's in a shallow grave thirty miles away. And these

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00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,439
Speaker 2: girls went back to regular life. They're in school, back

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00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 2: to the normal world.

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Speaker 5: And also in addition, because the motive, when you said,

1114
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 5: is that it and yes, some of what they said

1115
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 5: literally to investigators were we don't like her anymore. However,

1116
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 5: it came to bear that the two girls who murdered her,

1117
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,280
Speaker 5: Sheila and Rachel, they were close.

1118
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 3: In a sort of romantic way and.

1119
00:56:55,000 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 5: Were afraid that it would get out because Skyler was

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00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 5: very close to the two of them, so that.

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00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 2: Maybe was sensing it or was going to tell or

1122
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 2: you know, those the two girls were.

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00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 3: Like, you know, had eyes for each other. It's funny.

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00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 2: I watched an interesting interview with the producer of the documentary.

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00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 2: It was like on the BBC or something, and she

1126
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 2: was the producer. It's the documentary that's out now on Netflix.

1127
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 2: And the interviewer had asked her, you know, was there

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00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 2: something you know, really in the year and a half

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00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 2: that you were doing all your research and going through

1130
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 2: all their social media, you know, was there something that

1131
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 2: you really could sink your teeth in about, you know,

1132
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 2: the why the motive? And of course she mentions like

1133
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 2: there's a potential little love triangle not involving the deceased,

1134
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 2: but maybe just the idea of it getting out.

1135
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 3: That those two had eyes for each other.

1136
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 11: But really what her takeaway was, it's what a love triangle?

1137
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 11: Is that what you're saying, not a love meaning three girlfriends,

1138
00:57:54,720 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 11: three friends, nothing sexual, three friends. Obviously Sheila and the

1139
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 11: Schuyler there were friends since they were eight years old.

1140
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 11: Rachel ads is the newbie basically right, and then Shila

1141
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 11: and Rachel it's intimated that maybe they had a little

1142
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 11: flaying or they were falling.

1143
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 2: For each other, which would put Skyler the victim at

1144
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 2: odds right. She was sort of like, let's get rid

1145
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 2: of Skyler.

1146
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 8: Right.

1147
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 2: Maybe Rachel was like, hey, we get rid of the

1148
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 2: third wheel here because the two of us are meant

1149
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 2: to be. And the producer was saying, you know, it's

1150
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 2: one of those examples that had Rachel maybe not come

1151
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 2: to the school, like, had that intervention not happened, had

1152
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 2: those two Shila and Rachel not met, this likely would

1153
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 2: never have happened because there was nothing really indicating trouble

1154
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 2: in Paradise even with Sheila prior to this, which is

1155
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 2: also pretty wild. There is this like really interesting part too,

1156
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 2: where they put Shila into a lie detective and the

1157
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 2: detectives do the detectives like an interesting person too. And

1158
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 2: so Sheila is one of the girls, the one that

1159
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 2: knows the victims since she's eight years old. And you

1160
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 2: can see her getting frustrated and she literally takes her

1161
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 2: hands in her nails and like scratches the table underneath her.

1162
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 2: So like she's becoming unhinged. And they're obviously living with

1163
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 2: this very big secret.

1164
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 3: Not anymore.

1165
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 2: But yeah, and poor Skyler, you know, she thinks she's

1166
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 2: just a girl trying to keep her friendships alive and

1167
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 2: is literally left for dead.

1168
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 3: Can you imagine?

1169
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 2: It's a depravity, It's and they're so casual about it.

1170
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 2: Like again, we always ask ourselves, like listen again. I

1171
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 2: go through the lie to the detector at the airport,

1172
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 2: and it stresses me out because I swear and I know.

1173
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 3: Johnson, I don't have guns.

1174
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 12: I'm like, oh, I feel nervous going, you know, putting

1175
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 12: my hands up. You know, I'm bled exactly if I

1176
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 12: get pulled over, I'm like, you know, choked up and

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00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 12: friends because.

1178
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, no, sir, yeah, So I'm very compliant. Imagine

1179
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 3: these girls, these.

1180
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 2: Very normal coming from you know, I mean, what's normal

1181
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 2: air quotes. Obviously not so normal because this is really

1182
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 2: premeditated and according to their digital imprint, you know, this

1183
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 2: was something that they had been planning for a while.

1184
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 3: That was building.

1185
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, and Rachel ultimately she experienced a mental breakdown after that.

1186
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 3: I would imagine, And yeah.

1187
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 5: She was hospitalized and then confessed during a police interview.

1188
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 5: And the motive we didn't like her, We didn't want

1189
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 5: to be friends with her anymore, and planning, yes, so

1190
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 5: and then just ultimately Rachel did lead authorities the thirty

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01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 5: miles away to find Skyler's body.

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01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 3: She pled guilty to second.

1193
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:51,479
Speaker 5: Degree murder, and she was eligible for parole after ten

1194
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 5: years because she was compliant, because.

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01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 2: She was still ten years seemed not like a time

1196
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 2: to me, Skyler's mother and father, this premeditated murderer. Give

1197
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 2: me a right as you're not just as somebody who's

1198
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 2: unsafe in society at this stage.

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01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 3: Ten years is not enough? Correct? Wow, terrible what happened

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01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 3: to Sheila, they both discord of. Now they are serving

1201
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 3: their time.

1202
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, Sheila though she was indicted on kidnapping, first degree

1203
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 5: murder and conspiracy and later pled guilty to first degree,

1204
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 5: so it was a higher sentence. She was sentenced to

1205
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 5: life in prison, but with mercy parle eligible after fifteen years.

1206
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 8: Still too short for another one, Way too.

1207
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 2: Short because particularly because they didn't really seem to show

1208
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 2: in a tremendous amount of remorse either, particularly Sheila, who

1209
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 2: they kind of in court correct me if I'm wrong.

1210
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 2: Sheila again, because they had such a steeped long friendship

1211
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 2: with the victim again eight years old. So the families

1212
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 2: know each other, everyone knows one another. She seemed like

1213
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 2: maybe the ringleader in this a bit or was kind

1214
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 2: of the front man of putting us together.

1215
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,479
Speaker 3: One that came in, right, and you're talking about old one.

1216
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 5: Oh, the old one, Yeah, the one that knew.

1217
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 3: Right since she's eight and she was the ringleader. You think, yeah,

1218
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 3: that's what they see. I would think it would be

1219
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 3: the new one, right, She's the one that's.

1220
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 4: At the new myths, right and basically the with the

1221
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 4: fuse or whatever.

1222
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 3: Wow.

1223
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 4: And so if they were, if they were having a

1224
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 4: little fling, obviously the victim would have found out eventually.

1225
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 3: Maybe they were afraid of being outed.

1226
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 8: That's what I was thinking.

1227
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 3: Well, that's part and Rachel.

1228
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 5: She was denied parole several times and claimed in twenty

1229
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 5: twenty three that the motive also did include fear.

1230
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 3: Of her relationship with Sheila very exposed.

1231
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 8: That's it, you nailed it well.

1232
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 4: Coming up next, Metago's on trial over claims its platform

1233
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 4: fueled addiction.

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01:02:49,400 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 13: Keep it right here True Crime Tonight.

1235
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

1236
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Steph here with Courtney

1237
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 2: and Body and Yeah, Courtney. There's also this huge case

1238
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 2: happening in the world of Meta and we've been following

1239
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 2: this pretty closely. It's been going on for weeks now.

1240
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 2: So boom, we're waiting on this verdict. What do you

1241
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 2: have to say?

1242
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 3: Court? Tell us everything.

1243
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 5: Well, everybody is waiting because jury deliberations are continuing into

1244
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 5: their fifth day.

1245
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 3: And this is in regard to yeah.

1246
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 2: Landmark case for social media and technology.

1247
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 5: Absolutely so it's a civil trial, and the claim is

1248
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 5: that Meta and YouTube deliberately designed addictive features that harmed

1249
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 5: in this instance, going by a pseudonym, twenty year old

1250
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 5: Kaylee gm So. Kaylee says she became addicted to Instagram

1251
01:03:56,040 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 5: and YouTube as early as age nine, and that addiction

1252
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 5: led to depression and suicidal thoughts and the real heart

1253
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 5: she kind of stands for many victims, is what I feel.

1254
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 5: It's because if you guys have seen, they were only allowed.

1255
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 5: There's only so many people who can fit in the courtroom, right,

1256
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 5: And you could see the parents of children who have

1257
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 5: died influenced by social media, whether it be suicide or depression,

1258
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 5: or bullying or sextortion. And these parents just standing there,

1259
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 5: you know, holding a picture of their now deceased children.

1260
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 3: So it's important, It's affects a lot of people.

1261
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 5: And meanwhile, so that's the allegation, is that Meta YouTube

1262
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 5: knowingly put these addictive things.

1263
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 3: Say, can I ask one question? Just one pause?

1264
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 2: If you say meta, just in case somebody doesn't know

1265
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 2: what that means. Meta kind of is an umbrella. So

1266
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 2: we're talking Mark Zuckerberg, right, So old school Facebook, Instagram,

1267
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 2: just social chat, GPT, social media in general. Right, So

1268
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 2: it's kind of all falling under this collective, Mark Zuckerberg

1269
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 2: being kind of in the hot.

1270
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 3: Seat for it.

1271
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 4: Not chat Gypt though, but they do have WhatsApp understood, Yeah,

1272
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 4: chatchy chat geepte is a whole other Can.

1273
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 3: I ask a question about that? Though? So does this

1274
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 3: says it only has.

1275
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 2: To do with meta specifically, right, So it's really cool.

1276
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 4: Well, there were other other people, I believe will we

1277
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 4: covered this last time, Snapchat, and there was another one

1278
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 4: I can't remember who now, but they settled. I'll look

1279
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 4: it up while we're talking about it. But I know

1280
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 4: Snapchat settled with her. Do you know if that was, Well,

1281
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 4: you'll look it up to tell us if it was. Yeah,

1282
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 4: I'll look at us her otherwise.

1283
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 5: But the defense, you know, and yes, Mark Zuckerberg is

1284
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 5: the absolute face and head of what we're talking about.

1285
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 5: The defenses are really antiquated at this point. Thing called

1286
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 5: section two thirty of the Communications Decency Act, and when

1287
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 5: it was written, it shields companies from liability for content

1288
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 5: posted by any users. Now, this section two thirty came

1289
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 5: basically at the beginning of social media. It should section

1290
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:30,479
Speaker 5: thirty times. So but yeah, so there were four four

1291
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 5: weeks of testimony. Now again five days of deliberation, and

1292
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 5: it'll be a landmark to see if social media will

1293
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 5: indeed be held accountable or not.

1294
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 3: But finding a liability.

1295
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 5: Could absolutely establish a president for holding these platforms responsible.

1296
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 3: It needs to happen.

1297
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And by the way, there's like two hundred and

1298
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 2: fifty cases right behind this. So if this is a guilty,

1299
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 2: then wow, the floodgates really open because there's literally two

1300
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty plus cases that are kind of

1301
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 2: pending based on this decision. So the stakes are really high,

1302
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 2: and the amount of money that these other two hundred

1303
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 2: and fifty plus cases would be asking for will be monumental.

1304
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 3: Quite frankly, it was pretty disturbing them.

1305
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 2: Like some of the testimony, it seems just so clear,

1306
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 2: and again I feel like we all got a little

1307
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 2: bamboozled on this one. It's yes, they can put in

1308
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 2: safety measures in safety locks and parent locks, but they're

1309
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 2: also while doing that, increasing certain other areas of addictiveness

1310
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 2: and things that would make you it's.

1311
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 3: Impossible to walk away.

1312
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 2: So even if you have certain controls, and they could

1313
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 2: sit there with a straight face, as these CEOs of

1314
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 2: these large tech companies that were all sort of frankly

1315
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 2: addicted to at this point, on the one hand, they're like, oh, well,

1316
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 2: we put the parental controls and that's on the parents

1317
01:07:55,720 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 2: to check it. Meanwhile, real time allegedly also really employing

1318
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 2: so many people to make sure that they're getting this

1319
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 2: addictive quality, correct, like they want that to be the case.

1320
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 3: You know, even we were just saying.

1321
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 2: Chat GPT, that's been like the fastest growing app ever

1322
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 2: again on the heels of all these meta different you know,

1323
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 2: whether it's Instagram or Facebook, et cetera. So it does

1324
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 2: feel like we're at a very real pressure point with

1325
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 2: this one.

1326
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 3: Wow, I really hope so. And just a couple more tidbits.

1327
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 5: So, there's been seven jury notes thus far, and I'll

1328
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 5: just tell you about two of them. One requested read

1329
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:41,560
Speaker 5: back of a thirty minute testimony by YouTube custodian Ian mcneeds,

1330
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 5: and it detailed which accounts were deleted by YouTube and

1331
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 5: which were deleted by the plaintiff herself.

1332
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 4: So that's Google so YouTube or Google owns YouTube, so

1333
01:08:55,360 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 4: meta Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, Google owns YouTube, snap owns Snapchat,

1334
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 4: I can't remember the Oracle owns TikTok and Snapchat. My

1335
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 4: understanding is Snapchat and TikTok settled with her.

1336
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:10,719
Speaker 8: You're correct.

1337
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, m interesting.

1338
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 2: It's crazy because there's no question that AI is doing

1339
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 2: some really serious ads and at the algorithm we talk

1340
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:23,719
Speaker 2: about this so often. I know it sounds probably annoying

1341
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 2: at this point, but it's pretty staggering. And listen, the

1342
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 2: odds are stacked against us because it is big business

1343
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 2: to have us all addictive.

1344
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 3: And it's really in the algorithm.

1345
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 2: You know, there are therapists, child psychologists, general therapists that

1346
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:39,600
Speaker 2: are hired on staff to make sure that they're like

1347
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 2: actually putting their input, but not to make it better,

1348
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 2: but to make sure that it's more addictive. Like there

1349
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 2: are all these different departments allegedly that are feeding the

1350
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 2: beast on the one hand, and then outwardly they're like.

1351
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure it's all safe.

1352
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 2: We put this extra safety thing in there, kind of

1353
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 2: like what we're seeing with roadblocks. Oh yeah, we're just

1354
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:03,679
Speaker 2: scanning your kid's face to make sure they're the right age. Meanwhile,

1355
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 2: scanning a kid's face right now in today's time is

1356
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 2: also not a good idea because now you're giving of

1357
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 2: access to your kid.

1358
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:12,600
Speaker 8: Does that make sense compleatly?

1359
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1360
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,680
Speaker 4: And Section two thirty really is at the core of this,

1361
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 4: and if you don't know what that is, you really

1362
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 4: should learn about it. But it's always been called the

1363
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 4: twenty six words that created the Internet, okay, And it

1364
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 4: gives these companies immunity against prosecution for the content in

1365
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 4: which they host. The user is responsible for the content,

1366
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 4: not the hoster, right, not the people that host the content,

1367
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:43,799
Speaker 4: and it gives them immunity. So section two thirty. Now,

1368
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 4: the people in the tech people will argue that without

1369
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 4: section two thirty, they would have to approve and go

1370
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 4: through every single piece of content that somebody wants to post, right,

1371
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 4: because otherwise now they're held liable for what you know,

1372
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 4: body moves and post on her YouTube, right or you

1373
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 4: know Stephanie Leidekker puts on our Instagram exactly.

1374
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 2: But again, remember back in the day when we were

1375
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 2: all signing up for this, there was no We were

1376
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 2: all dancing and doing dancing TikTok videos.

1377
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 3: You know, and looking at for my chat videos right.

1378
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 2: Literally, like watching makeup tutorials and get ready with me.

1379
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 4: The algorithm wasn't feeding you your deepest, darkest, you know,

1380
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 4: exact crossing thoughts, right.

1381
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 3: Well, and that is what's at issue.

1382
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 5: So whoever is producing the content, it is these platforms

1383
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 5: that are on trial, and these platforms algorithms amplified content

1384
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 5: that promote itself harm, suicidal ideation, body dysmorphia, and appearance modification.

1385
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 2: Which is different from its inception, So meaning that that

1386
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 2: particular two thirty that you're referring to when it created

1387
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 2: the Internet or created all of this, the algorithm is

1388
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 2: kind of more of a later thing, right, So we

1389
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 2: all signed up under one guy's not knowing that this

1390
01:11:57,200 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 2: algorithm was feeding us sort of. If I'm saying, if I,

1391
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 2: you know, do a little search and look at a

1392
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,679
Speaker 2: video about a diet that I want to follow, now

1393
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:06,759
Speaker 2: suddenly I'm being inundated.

1394
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 3: With cabbage diets or whatever the thing is.

1395
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 14: Now.

1396
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 2: Imagine you're twelve years old feeling like you're having a

1397
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 2: fat day because your hormones are crazy and the girls

1398
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 2: are making fun of you at school, and now your

1399
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:19,839
Speaker 2: Instagram is feeding you all this nonsense about diet pills

1400
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 2: and stuff.

1401
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 4: Right, although when she was nine years old, the algorithm

1402
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 4: was algorithm wasn't doing that either.

1403
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 2: That's fair, that's a good That's probably a very key

1404
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 2: point there.

1405
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, I don't know if this is a very

1406
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:32,759
Speaker 4: interesting case.

1407
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:34,880
Speaker 3: The interesting part about it.

1408
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,839
Speaker 2: I don't know how to phrase this without it sounding terrible,

1409
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:42,640
Speaker 2: But hopefully you guys know us all enough. This particular

1410
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 2: case itself as the landmark case. There are far more,

1411
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 2: maybe extreme cases that are being pointed to, and even

1412
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 2: in the two hundred and fifty plus cases behind it,

1413
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 2: you know where you know there there's death.

1414
01:12:57,680 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 3: There's so much behind it.

1415
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 2: We saw all those family members that Courtney just described, right,

1416
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 2: so you know, there is some chatter that if they

1417
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:09,640
Speaker 2: if they win this case, if Meta wins, you know,

1418
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 2: obviously that makes it very hard for the people behind that.

1419
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody will come out of this case

1420
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:19,560
Speaker 2: without feeling like there is for sure an addictive quality

1421
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 2: being pushed by these technology bros. That they're not even

1422
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:26,480
Speaker 2: allowing their own kids to have. You know, Mark Zuckerberger's

1423
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 2: like kids shouldn't have a phone before they're fourteen, and

1424
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 2: I don't even let my kids on social media, you know,

1425
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 2: and body agrees. So but that's really rich coming from

1426
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 2: the person who's created it and is pushing over everybody

1427
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:38,680
Speaker 2: else's case, are you know?

1428
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 5: And also in a twenty eighteen for example, So yeah,

1429
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:46,599
Speaker 5: this goes back a while twenty eighteen, there was a

1430
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 5: Meta presentation at the time.

1431
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 3: I guess it would have been Facebook.

1432
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:53,479
Speaker 5: If we want to win big with teens, we must

1433
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 5: bring them in as tweens. I mean the analogy which

1434
01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 5: many people make of this being like the cigarette moment

1435
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 5: for this.

1436
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 3: Really, media is very apt.

1437
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 2: And by the way, again, we keep reading these articles

1438
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 2: or at least I do of you know again, what

1439
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:11,759
Speaker 2: the future is going to be. And AI is taking

1440
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 2: all of these jobs. And we're seeing this everywhere Amazon

1441
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 2: even just today, there's layoffs everywhere. And as someone whose

1442
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,600
Speaker 2: father lost his job, and you know when I was

1443
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 2: in a young kid, is so brutal to get laid off.

1444
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 2: So people are really in fear, and they're struggling financially.

1445
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 2: Who isn't I should ask? Really is the larger question.

1446
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:35,520
Speaker 2: Except for the Epstein class above us, everybody's kind of struggling.

1447
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 2: So this is just piling on and taking advantage. It's

1448
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 2: pretty terrible.

1449
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, agreed, Well, hopefully they'll be there should be a verdict. Actually,

1450
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 5: when the jurors have completed, you know, all of their deliberations.

1451
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:53,680
Speaker 5: So when the jury does have an answer, we will

1452
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 5: let you know about that for sure.

1453
01:14:57,360 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 4: We keep it here True Crime tonight. Listen, we're just

1454
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 4: talking about the meta case of this woman issuing meta

1455
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 4: saying that she's been basically addicted to social media, and Courtney,

1456
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 4: do we have time.

1457
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:12,719
Speaker 3: For this Epstein update. We can start at the break.

1458
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 3: We can start it. Yeah, we can start it and

1459
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 3: carry it over.

1460
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 5: So interestingly, Jeffrey Epstein's longtime attorney and a state co executor.

1461
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 3: His name is Darren Indyke.

1462
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 5: He testified before the House Oversight Committee today and it

1463
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 5: seems a little rich. He denied knowledge of Jeffrey Epstein's

1464
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:39,720
Speaker 5: sexual abuse. However, this guy, Darren Indyke, has been Epstein's

1465
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 5: attorney since nineteen ninety six and oversaw settlements totaling hundreds

1466
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 5: of millions of dollars while denying awareness of facilitation of

1467
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 5: Ebstein's crimes.

1468
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, so he No, Jeffrey Epstein goes to jail and

1469
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 4: he didn't know.

1470
01:15:56,439 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 3: I don't know why. Yeah, no, literally answering. I have

1471
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 3: no idea. They all have no idea.

1472
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 5: It's unbelievable, I mean really and yeah, this guy, with

1473
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 5: a straight face, testified he had no knowledge whatsoever. Said

1474
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 5: if I'd known he was abusing the trafficking, I would

1475
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 5: have quit working for him at once.

1476
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 3: Really, and it is nothing that what the.

1477
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 4: Accountant said to the accountant testified that nobody knew.

1478
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, not built I know, I wouldn't have Yeah, nobody knew,

1479
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 2: you know, Howard Lutnik.

1480
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 3: He had never even met the guy, and apparently he has.

1481
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 3: That is untrue.

1482
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 2: It is shocking how literally every single person who prior

1483
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 2: to this release, including you know, Pambondi herself, you know,

1484
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 2: just saying there is nothing there, there is nothing, there's

1485
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 2: no files. Not only were there files, there's three million files.

1486
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:55,679
Speaker 2: By the way, we still are missing half of them.

1487
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 2: There's still two more millions that need to still be released.

1488
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 2: We have been told that they're not going to but again,

1489
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 2: what a mess. And Pam Bondi is also sticken by

1490
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 2: the word here, saying, look, we did the best we could. Yeah,

1491
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 2: she said, you know, this to her administration, you know,

1492
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 2: to her point that is true of all the administrations.

1493
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 2: This is the first time that we are seeing anything.

1494
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 2: So Pok's in everybody's house. So again, this is not

1495
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 2: just pointing a finger at this administration.

1496
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 3: I am not. Let me be clear, I'm saying, but

1497
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 3: since Bush.

1498
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 2: This goes back, this goes back to every single election

1499
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,559
Speaker 2: since Bush, and by the way, including Trump once before.

1500
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 3: So I don't know who to be mad at right now,

1501
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 3: but all of them, they all of them, all of them,

1502
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 3: all of them they all were complacent and aware of it.

1503
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 2: And again, I don't think any single one of them

1504
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 2: knew that there would be this law brought into you know,

1505
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 2: that we'd all go so crazy about it. At some

1506
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 2: point we all just had enough of hearing about it.

1507
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 2: And maybe I think the public outcry is why we

1508
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:02,599
Speaker 2: have these in the first place. Pam Bondi is standing

1509
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 2: by it, just basically saying, huh, what do you want

1510
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:06,720
Speaker 2: from us? We did the best we could. This is

1511
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 2: the Department of Justice, the best we could. We are

1512
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 2: apparently the greatest nation. I mean, technology being what it is,

1513
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, anyway, don't get me as absurd.

1514
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 5: The lack of accountability and the seeming memory loss that

1515
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 5: everyone testifying is staggering.

1516
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 3: Staggering, staggering. We'll keep it here.

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01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 4: We've got some talkbacks to get to on all the

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01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 4: major cases we've been covering, and maybe we'll cut up

1519
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 4: a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Keep it through Crime Tonight.

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01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:49,559
Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight and iHeartRadio. We're talking

1522
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Steph here with Courtney

1523
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 2: Amboddy and of course the boys as well.

1524
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 3: Let's go to a talkback one moment here. Adam has

1525
01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 3: to pause The Real House, Secret, the.

1526
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 2: Secret Lives of more from here, out.

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01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 8: Of here we go. I got to talk about.

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01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:16,839
Speaker 15: You, Hellola from Canada. If you're going to call yourself anything,

1529
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 15: then you're gonna have to be angels. I can't believe

1530
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 15: you guys didn't already think of it or say it.

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01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 3: Come on with all the way love you.

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01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 8: But it's the funny thing.

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01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:31,679
Speaker 7: I heard you guys say that when I was out

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01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:34,679
Speaker 7: and I never really thought it. Sounds like the blonde

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01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 7: and brunette the redhead of like, oh my god, it's

1536
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 7: so perfect.

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01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 14: Yeah.

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01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 3: I've been saying it from day one.

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01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 8: Do now I see you with the guns, like, that's

1540
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 8: all I think about.

1541
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 4: Is yes, like jackets, we have gabbles and pieces of justice.

1542
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 3: Don't make me have a gun. Yeah, some handcuffs. Sorry,

1543
01:19:53,960 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 3: I'm into it. That was very sweet. Do we have

1544
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 3: any other ones to play?

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01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 8: We do. We got a couple of here.

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01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 14: Hey, guys, it's Julia from South Carolina. I'm just calling

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01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 14: in regards to taking care of yourself when you're out

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01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 14: with strangers and drinking. Instead of taking your drink to

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01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:20,639
Speaker 14: the bathroom, how about you just finish your drink before

1550
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 14: going to.

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01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:24,480
Speaker 5: The bathroom and then after coming back from the bathroom

1552
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 5: you order.

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01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:29,480
Speaker 14: A new drink a little more and a better idea.

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01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know that is so true.

1555
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 3: You can't really you can't.

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01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 4: I don't really necessarily agree with that because if you're drinking,

1557
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 4: if you're drinking water, okay, fine, if you're drinking like

1558
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 4: Margarita's or like Crown and Cokes or something like that,

1559
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 4: you don't want to be downing alcohol just to go

1560
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:49,639
Speaker 4: to the bathroom.

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01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean.

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01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 2: No, but still, I mean maybe the first date. I

1563
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 2: know this is very counterintuitive to what a first date vibe,

1564
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 2: but like, maybe no drinking on the first date.

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01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:01,559
Speaker 4: I would agree that, you know, maybe a glass of

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01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 4: wine before you know, yeah, the person shows up, you know,

1567
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:08,639
Speaker 4: or something to calm the edge off, get a little

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01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:11,559
Speaker 4: edge off or whatever. But maybe you know, not drinking

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01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 4: at all. I can agree with that. But we shouldn't

1570
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 4: have to like stifle our funness or whatever just because

1571
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:21,839
Speaker 4: people want to put drugs in our on our drinks.

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01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:25,719
Speaker 3: I'm picturing to the bathroom.

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01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:27,879
Speaker 2: I was picturing, you know, how you have a glass

1574
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 2: and then you're trying to rest it like in the

1575
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 2: stall and like the toilet paper.

1576
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 3: Things always crooked, like more times than what I have.

1577
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 4: Listen, if you are the owner, if you are a

1578
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 4: bar owner, you will put cup holders on the doors

1579
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 4: where we hang our horses. Put a little backholder. Help

1580
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:50,719
Speaker 4: some women out, Like, let's get it together here.

1581
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 2: And add some more stalls for the women and for

1582
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 2: the men who have to hear us complain about it.

1583
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 2: You know, the stalls at the restrooms. It seems very

1584
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 2: disproportionate that women should have more spaces.

1585
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 3: The line unreasonable.

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01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:07,639
Speaker 7: The only weird thing that I have taken the glass

1587
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 7: into the stall and then I saw videos later about

1588
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:11,839
Speaker 7: how much will you flush a toilet?

1589
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 3: It's disgusting.

1590
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, I do drink in there.

1591
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 4: No, I know that's the thing, is a hygiene thing,

1592
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 4: but listen, I'd rather like, you know, you'reine particles in

1593
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 4: my drink then get droofyed?

1594
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?

1595
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 8: Right?

1596
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 3: Re evaluated the state or I hope he's in the morning.

1597
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 4: How to drink at the table and then you go

1598
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 4: to the bathroom and then you order a new one.

1599
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm saying bring it in the bathroom is like,

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01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 3: as a guy, I can see how if we bring

1601
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 3: our drinks into the bathroom. It's like, well, we can

1602
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 3: hold them while we're going, and it's.

1603
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 2: Like you guys, we have like, oh my god, it's

1604
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 2: such a hassle, such a hassle. First dates are hard

1605
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 2: to so that's a tough one to be getting with.

1606
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:02,720
Speaker 2: Or some people are just great at it, right. I

1607
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 2: always some people imagine it's a little tough.

1608
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 3: I'm a hot mess. Yeah, I know, I would imagine

1609
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 3: you was a good first dater. Really.

1610
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:13,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh no, because you're interesting, I like, I like

1611
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:16,640
Speaker 4: throw up. I get so nervous. No, I have like

1612
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 4: terrible Oh yeah, I'm terrible.

1613
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1614
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 2: I think most people kind of are putting on like

1615
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 2: their best version of themselves too, so it's a little

1616
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 2: while to get to the you know, fun BedHead version,

1617
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:32,799
Speaker 2: pizza version where you can just be normal.

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01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 3: You know. I have a game. Anyone want to guess

1619
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 3: how many first dates I've been on?

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01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 8: Oh?

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01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:37,759
Speaker 3: Three?

1622
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:41,680
Speaker 8: Yes, I'm gonna say one. Was this the only one?

1623
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:44,800
Speaker 3: I know? This answer? I have definitely not one.

1624
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:48,600
Speaker 2: No, I mean you've had many, You've been you've had relationships,

1625
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 2: so seven I've.

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01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 5: Been on one first date. I did have many. I

1627
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 5: always fell into relationships like.

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01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's in this one's argue, did data to know

1629
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:05,440
Speaker 2: she's the opposite?

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01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 5: No, just like mad to go out and then your

1631
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 5: friends and you know then and then you're kissing you know.

1632
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't want to talk to you anymore.

1633
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 3: I didn't follow up with and all of those relations

1634
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 3: just good.

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01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:30,639
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's funny.

1636
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 3: Let's uh, let's do another talkback.

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01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:37,559
Speaker 16: Good morning True Crime to nineteen is Molly from PA.

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01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 16: I usually call in with doom and gloom, but just

1639
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:42,599
Speaker 16: wanted to send in a little positive fun stuff.

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01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 3: That's nice.

1641
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 16: I love hearing everyone else's call in and talkback, particularly

1642
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 16: Emily from North of Boston is great. So a little

1643
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:53,559
Speaker 16: fun story for everyone, and particularly for Emily. My two

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01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 16: year old loves. Every Friday morning, whatever the gentlemen come

1645
01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 16: to pick up our trash. He always run to the window,

1646
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 16: stands on top of the furniture and the gentlemen are

1647
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 16: so friendly they wave at him, they hank the horn. Well,

1648
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 16: a couple of fridays ago, we go to the same routine.

1649
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 16: He runs to wave at these gentlemen and the guy

1650
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 16: dumps our trash. The one in the truck honks at

1651
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:16,839
Speaker 16: them as they're driving away. And my two year old's waving,

1652
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:19,599
Speaker 16: but then all of a sudden, he goes, they stole

1653
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 16: my trash, and my husband and I loved it so

1654
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:28,760
Speaker 16: fun for everyone in the heaviness. Emily, I hope you

1655
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 16: know how much joy you bring to little children. You

1656
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 16: might have an extemous old boy who thinks you're stealing

1657
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:34,679
Speaker 16: his trash.

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01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:39,639
Speaker 3: I think we have a friend connection. We do.

1659
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 2: But I was just talking about Emily from Boston yesterday,

1660
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 2: and he really was yesterday too. I was early in

1661
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 2: the morning, and I was like feeling a little like

1662
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:51,759
Speaker 2: just tired and a little turned around, and I literally

1663
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:54,439
Speaker 2: thought of Emily, thinking, like, you know, our girl is

1664
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 2: out there working really hard, right now, shake it off.

1665
01:25:57,160 --> 01:26:00,160
Speaker 2: Four in the morning, four o'clock in the morning. If

1666
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 2: there's no crime in baseball, kid, get on with the show.

1667
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:08,439
Speaker 2: And honestly, she motivated me now things, Yeah, actually really did.

1668
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:11,680
Speaker 2: I'm so sad that this caller came in because I

1669
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 2: would have forgotten to mention it.

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01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:14,679
Speaker 3: That is so cute.

1671
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 4: So one of my favorite the social media videos I've

1672
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 4: ever seen is literally almost exactly what she described. It's

1673
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 4: a video of a little boy running to the trash truck.

1674
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 4: You know, in front of his house, and he's got

1675
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:34,439
Speaker 4: his little like dumpster truck with him and the garbage

1676
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 4: the sanitation workers are. They take like a little piece

1677
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:40,720
Speaker 4: of a little bag and they put it in, you know,

1678
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 4: a little dumpster, and the little boys just so excited

1679
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:45,639
Speaker 4: and happy. And the mom was like, thank you. Think

1680
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 4: it's the cutest thing ever of the story too.

1681
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 2: That was like the dream when you're a young mom

1682
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 2: too with a little one, Like you're up so.

1683
01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 3: Early, you.

1684
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 2: Know, you are like you're begging for some interaction or

1685
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 2: something to do construction conso time thing like, oh so funny.

1686
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 3: That is so true.

1687
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 7: That's but I love that, like some of our listeners

1688
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 7: are getting to know the other.

1689
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:17,519
Speaker 3: We can't do a party.

1690
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:19,680
Speaker 2: We should do like a true crime tonight Bush. It

1691
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:20,919
Speaker 2: would just be hard to figure.

1692
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 3: Out where to do it.

1693
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:23,640
Speaker 8: I know, well, we're bringing the.

1694
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 2: Part of the country, yeah, but like where do we

1695
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:29,639
Speaker 2: do it where we can say hey, everybody, like we'll.

1696
01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 8: Meet Vegas, meet us in Vegas.

1697
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:35,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. I want to get on a plane, Okay, I

1698
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:41,680
Speaker 3: want to go somewhere we can.

1699
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 7: Listen.

1700
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 2: Listeners, we all want to read in the middle somewhere

1701
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:47,519
Speaker 2: like what's there in the middle of the country.

1702
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:50,519
Speaker 3: Maybe can all come to my house? The whole everybody

1703
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 3: listening is sounded my voice. Let's go house. Bring a

1704
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 3: pain brush because I don't have. I've always wanted to

1705
01:27:57,080 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 3: go on.

1706
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:01,840
Speaker 7: Now have a little party. Can I remind everybody about

1707
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 7: something coming up? Just to keep on our records. When

1708
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 7: I was away, I know Ava mentioned that our next

1709
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 7: True Crime and Chill, which talk about bringing people together.

1710
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 7: Because everyone seems to love this. Our next one is

1711
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:17,760
Speaker 7: going to be the Alabama Solution, which sadly it did

1712
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 7: not win. The Oscar there was another win that one.

1713
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 7: But how about we unpack that one, like maybe next Thursday.

1714
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:27,719
Speaker 7: Maybe everyone could try to watch it over the weekend.

1715
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:30,439
Speaker 7: I started it, and I will say someone else said

1716
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:32,760
Speaker 7: the same thing. It's it's a hard watch because it's

1717
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 7: kind of it's difficult to see these people.

1718
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:37,759
Speaker 3: It's difficult, but it's very real and raw.

1719
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 7: It's raw, it's it's but it's a lot, but I mean,

1720
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:42,680
Speaker 7: just mentally prepare yourself for it.

1721
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 3: But it is worth I don't think it's for kids

1722
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:45,439
Speaker 3: in any way.

1723
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:49,559
Speaker 7: It's it's not no but not for children. But it's

1724
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 7: also it's on you can watch it on HBO Max.

1725
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 7: You can also catch it on Hulu, so it's in

1726
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:56,440
Speaker 7: two places.

1727
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 9: That people too.

1728
01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:00,599
Speaker 7: I'm seeing it's also available on home so you so

1729
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:01,879
Speaker 7: watch it on those places.

1730
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:03,760
Speaker 8: Will unpack it, believe it or not.

1731
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 7: We've already gotten a few people who've written in with

1732
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:07,680
Speaker 7: their reactions to it.

1733
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:09,080
Speaker 3: So, oh, I'm so glad.

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01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ava, that's a really important one for Ava too.

1735
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 2: We were supposed to talk about it on Sunday a bit. Yeah, yeah,

1736
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 2: talk about prison reform at its core. That's a real look.

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01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 3: So this is tangential. It's obviously not in Alabama.

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01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:25,920
Speaker 5: However, just today it was in the news the sheriff

1739
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:29,680
Speaker 5: is asking federal agency to review La County jail conditions

1740
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 5: there were, so.

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01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:34,280
Speaker 3: We should we should cover this next week for sure.

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01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:38,160
Speaker 5: I believe this was after teny inmates died in less

1743
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 5: than three months.

1744
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 3: We should absolutely cover it.

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01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 4: So that's maybe in conjunction with that, I'd like to

1746
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:46,480
Speaker 4: cover for profit prisons.

1747
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:50,880
Speaker 3: Maybe we could do that. You know, that's really you know,

1748
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:54,759
Speaker 3: I don't think people understand how that works, you know. Excellent, Yeah,

1749
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:55,920
Speaker 3: it's a great idea that.

1750
01:29:57,720 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 8: She would love it. She's focused.

1751
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 7: She said a few times that she really wants to

1752
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 7: do a lot of subjects topics on the prison system.

1753
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:06,720
Speaker 7: But to your point, stuff, that's another good idea to

1754
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:08,920
Speaker 7: bring back the books to prisoners.

1755
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:10,639
Speaker 8: Person that we have so much love.

1756
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got so much love people wrote in about him.

1757
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 2: He's really affected a lot of people. Yeah, myself included.

1758
01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 7: I'd love to know how he's doing. But because I

1759
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:23,679
Speaker 7: think he was just starting a new job right, yeah, yeah,

1760
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:24,640
Speaker 7: it was really exciting.

1761
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:26,280
Speaker 3: In the theater. I hope he's doing well.

1762
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 8: I hope so.

1763
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 7: But another topic, if we want to switch for a second,

1764
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:33,240
Speaker 7: We've got a lot of d ms and people are

1765
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:36,200
Speaker 7: have been writing in a lot of things about the

1766
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 7: Lucy Conversation. So Lucy let Be and for people who

1767
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:44,040
Speaker 7: aren't familiar with the case, Lucy let Be is a

1768
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 7: neo needle nurse who has been convicted of killing seven babies.

1769
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 7: It's it's a tragic story and we had Amanda Knox

1770
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:57,640
Speaker 7: on who you know. There's a debate whether some of

1771
01:30:57,680 --> 01:31:01,840
Speaker 7: this is accurate or not. Here's one that someone wrote,

1772
01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 7: someone named Jenna said, Lucy is guilty. I watched the documentary.

1773
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:09,519
Speaker 7: I know there isn't video proof, but the circumstances are

1774
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 7: very coincidental. She took nurse notes of those babies, not

1775
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:16,960
Speaker 7: copies the nurse notes of those babies. Uh, this entire

1776
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:20,439
Speaker 7: documentary pissed me off. When they pick her up, she

1777
01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:23,840
Speaker 7: didn't argue, she didn't say anything, but cried a little,

1778
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 7: kissed her blank cat, and told her mom not to watch.

1779
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 7: So that was one.

1780
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 2: Okay, there's a documentary that Amanda Knox is not a

1781
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:39,760
Speaker 2: part of the documentary though. So Amanda Knox, her podcast

1782
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:43,280
Speaker 2: is quite and allowed documentary and her and she's just

1783
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 2: investigating it as she's not you know, coming into it

1784
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:47,120
Speaker 2: with the decision.

1785
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:47,559
Speaker 3: You know.

1786
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:49,880
Speaker 2: I think the spirit of it for Amanda is to

1787
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:52,000
Speaker 2: kind of keep an open mind and see all of

1788
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:55,479
Speaker 2: the material and have a really strong open mind and

1789
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 2: open heart. In the documentary, Yeah, I have to agree,

1790
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 2: the document doesn't paint that picture as much.

1791
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:06,840
Speaker 3: Okay, we definitely wanted on that last night.

1792
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:07,439
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1793
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:10,559
Speaker 4: It's very it's it's it's it's Joseph is pretty convinced

1794
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:11,720
Speaker 4: that she did it right.

1795
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:12,120
Speaker 16: Yeah.

1796
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:14,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and none of us know.

1797
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 4: I mean, we didn't even know this case until you know,

1798
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 4: Amanda told us about it, and so we're learning kind

1799
01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:22,320
Speaker 4: of as we go about this case, and I don't

1800
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:24,639
Speaker 4: none of us have taken a stand on it either way.

1801
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:28,960
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a lot of British medical women

1802
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:31,000
Speaker 2: I don't even know how to say that correctly, female

1803
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:35,280
Speaker 2: females in the medical uh community who really are raising

1804
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:37,960
Speaker 2: their hand to say that there's something very maybe maybe

1805
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 2: it needs another look, and that she might have gotten

1806
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:40,960
Speaker 2: a bad rap.

1807
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 5: Well, Mootie mentioned, Yeah, it was just last night with

1808
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:49,480
Speaker 5: jose Scott Morgan that the main personally for the prosecution,

1809
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 5: Dewey was problematic. Well, guess what, there was another whose

1810
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:55,599
Speaker 5: name is not in front of me, there was another

1811
01:32:55,800 --> 01:33:00,519
Speaker 5: person who actually, while he was testifying, his whether or

1812
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:04,719
Speaker 5: not he should be even practicing medicine was in question

1813
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:07,080
Speaker 5: in a formal way.

1814
01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:10,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, almost like she had the access, but maybe other

1815
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:11,840
Speaker 2: people did.

1816
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:14,360
Speaker 3: We should listen to the podcast and did watch the

1817
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:15,920
Speaker 3: This is a lot of down that we have.

1818
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:18,040
Speaker 8: There's a lot a lot of homework.

1819
01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:22,760
Speaker 4: We also, Well, I'm genuinely interested in this case. I'm

1820
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:26,639
Speaker 4: genuinely following outside of Amanda, outside of you know, I'm

1821
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 4: genuinely interested in this case.

1822
01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:31,040
Speaker 7: It's fascinating, it's interesting, And Courtney, you're talking about doctor

1823
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:35,080
Speaker 7: Peter pins Marsh he was. He was reportedly under a

1824
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:39,000
Speaker 7: fitness to practice investigation during the trial, which basically means

1825
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:42,920
Speaker 7: his professional conduct and competence was being reviewed at the

1826
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:46,719
Speaker 7: exact same time he was testifying, So you know, I want.

1827
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 3: To see the evidence against her.

1828
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:52,640
Speaker 2: Also, you know, I do hear like a lot of

1829
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:56,560
Speaker 2: chatter that the new Ryan Ryan Gossling movie what is

1830
01:33:56,600 --> 01:33:58,880
Speaker 2: it called Hail Mary, that comes out this weekend. Just

1831
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:01,000
Speaker 2: got a ticket to the screening of Oh, it's supposed

1832
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:03,680
Speaker 2: to be like the best movie ever in really a

1833
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:07,160
Speaker 2: great feel good movie. And if you love Ryan Gosling,

1834
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:10,559
Speaker 2: who seems so likable and lovely, maybe that's something to

1835
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 2: add to your watch list.

1836
01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:13,639
Speaker 3: But you have to go to the theater.

1837
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:16,439
Speaker 8: Okay, I'll fill you in after I see that.

1838
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:20,000
Speaker 2: Well, listen, everybody, have the most beautiful weekend. We will

1839
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:22,880
Speaker 2: be back here on Sunday and we cannot wait.

1840
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:26,160
Speaker 3: So stay safe out there. We love you

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01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:42,120
Speaker 2: And we will hear you and see you on Sunday.