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Speaker 1: Welcome to the freedom hunt. Oh my, what a day.

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Speaker 1: Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide for the Republicans in

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Speaker 1: we'd love to repeal at root and branch bya reconciliation,

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Speaker 1: but we you know, we just can't shrug. That's why

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Speaker 1: they were pushing that to Paul Ryan, trying to get

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Speaker 1: him to do this grand bargain in the House, which

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Speaker 1: exploded in his face, uh Geop leadership, and he has

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Speaker 1: never wanted to do a full repeal. Ever, they didn't

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Speaker 1: even want repeal it when it was still being passed.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they kind of sat on their hands. That

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Speaker 1: can know, the quart will take care of the forest.

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Speaker 1: Let's just let the Democrats pass it and then we'll

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Speaker 1: smack them and then politically will win that The fact

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Speaker 1: of the matter is that despite all their votes and

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Speaker 1: all their promises, uh, Senate Republicans don't actually want to

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Speaker 1: repeal it. And when they were telling you, oh, we

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Speaker 1: need the Senate, no, we need the White House. It's

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Speaker 1: then that they were not being truthful and the truth

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Speaker 1: of matters they just don't want to. It's an issue

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Speaker 1: of won't not camp we're speaking of Shaan Davis, co

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Speaker 1: founder of the Federalists. Read his latest pieces up on

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Speaker 1: the Federalist dot com Sean, why don't the people who

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Speaker 1: don't want to have been made Well, the people who

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Speaker 1: don't want you at all in the Senate have been

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Speaker 1: made clear because they've they've stood up and said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I need more. Well, well, what do they want? What

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Speaker 1: are their problems? That's a good question. Uh. One of

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Speaker 1: my colleagues has made the point that in a number

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Speaker 1: of these states, where Ohio, for example, were case, it

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Speaker 1: has just become the biggest aquolic opponent ever. Um, the

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Speaker 1: thing you have to do is follow the money. And

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Speaker 1: it turns out that because of the Medicaid expansion, and

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Speaker 1: remember Obamacare was two things. It was a bunch of

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Speaker 1: mandates and rags governing the private insurance market, and it

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Speaker 1: was the medicaid expansion. It turns out a lot of

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Speaker 1: hospitals have made a lot of money on the Medicaid expansion.

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Speaker 1: Now that the people who are in Medicaid they're not

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Speaker 1: getting any better care than they had before. There, they're

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Speaker 1: they're still being treated very poorly, not getting adequate healthcare um.

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Speaker 1: But the hospitals are making a men on it. And

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Speaker 1: so in a number of these states where you have

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Speaker 1: kind of we need Republicans who were pretending they wanted

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Speaker 1: to repeal, but when it came down to it, didn't

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Speaker 1: really want to. I think a large part of it

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Speaker 1: is that they're being pushed around by hospital lobbies and

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Speaker 1: their states who kind of enjoyed the big SAT revenue

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Speaker 1: stream they're getting from Obamacare's Medicaid expansion. Sean, what do

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Speaker 1: you think should happen here? I think Republicans should do

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Speaker 1: what they promised. They should do what they said, and

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Speaker 1: they should repeal Obamacare and start over. I just want

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Speaker 1: them to keep their word. That's all I want is

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Speaker 1: for them to do exactly what they've been promising to

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Speaker 1: do for the last eight years. No question in your

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Speaker 1: mind that if they don't do that, it is a

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Speaker 1: choice that is being made by senators. Their hands are

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Speaker 1: not tied. Absolutely. Uh. This business that, oh, if only

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Speaker 1: the Senate rules let them do it, they would is

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Speaker 1: absolute nonsense. It's a fig leaves that they're using basically

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Speaker 1: to hide their own iniquity on matter. All right, would

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Speaker 1: you have do you have a prediction you want to

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Speaker 1: offer up, Shaun as to what's gonna happen here? Oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't have the slightest clue. I'm sure they're going

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Speaker 1: to do something crappy and and uh the best interests

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Speaker 1: of everyone in America, Sean, Sean's putting his cash on

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Speaker 1: crappy everybody, just just so you know, putting all my

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Speaker 1: money on brown there, all right, Sean Davis, everybody, co

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Speaker 1: founder of the Federalist is latest on the Federalist dot

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Speaker 1: com sewn. Thanks for making the time and great to

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Speaker 1: have you. Thanks Tim. What do you think about all this?

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Speaker 1: Eight four d buck eight four eight to five is

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Speaker 1: full repeal what needs to be done because that's what

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Speaker 1: was promised. Seems like a pretty straightforward proposition to But

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Speaker 1: GOP could pay a price in the midterms. People might

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Speaker 1: get very unhappy if they feel like they're having the

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Speaker 1: rug pulled out from them when it comes to healthcare.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure there's gonna be some noise here and

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Speaker 1: there from different parts of the industry. Insurance, hospitals, doctors, lobbies,

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Speaker 1: you know, all kinds of folks. So this is gonna

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Speaker 1: get It's definitely gonna get messy. Um, so what are

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Speaker 1: your thoughts? Eight Buck? Also, if you want to tweet

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Speaker 1: at me during the show, if you're on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton and I will try to respond during the breaks. Um,

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Speaker 1: we'll be right back to stay with me. Lines are

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Speaker 1: lit here in the Freedom Hunt. Let's hear what you've

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Speaker 1: got to say. Uh, Team Buck, and I know a

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Speaker 1: lot of you you have a lot to say about this.

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Speaker 1: Mike in North Carolina, w p T I, what's going on? Mike, Yes,

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Speaker 1: thank you for taking my call. The first thing I

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Speaker 1: wanted to say is that you mentioned Senator Capito brought

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Speaker 1: up opioids, which is just the crisis to your The

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Speaker 1: second thing is that medicaid as a single payer is

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Speaker 1: not the standard by which we need to measure medicine.

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Speaker 1: The third thing is that Senator Paul, in a committee

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Speaker 1: with Bernie said basically that forcing doctors and all the

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Speaker 1: support staff to do this kind of work under this

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Speaker 1: set of condition of single payer is the equivalent of slavery.

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Speaker 1: You can find it on YouTube. I don't think anything

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Speaker 1: will happen. I think the left is all in lockstep,

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Speaker 1: and they know too much of the wrong stuff, and

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Speaker 1: conservatives don't know enough of the right stuff to get

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Speaker 1: their attention away from the act of continuing to live

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Speaker 1: undercy Michael the asked, do you think that full repeal

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Speaker 1: in the Senate should happen? And do you think that

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Speaker 1: how should follow suit? Yes? I do, and I think

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Speaker 1: that your last guest was spot on that. Basically, if

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Speaker 1: it's not in the Constitution, it's not. And the only

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Speaker 1: thing that I can think of is two thirds to

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Speaker 1: override a veto and three quarters of the states to amend,

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Speaker 1: and three quarters for a ratification of a treaty. Other

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Speaker 1: than that, I can't think of what a vote is

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Speaker 1: need beyond a majority. All right, Mike down to North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Shield tie uh Jerry also in North Carolina,

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Speaker 1: w p T I. What's going on? Hello, sir? How

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Speaker 1: are you just singing? I'm good, sir, Thank you for

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Speaker 1: calling in. Yes, sir, I just wanted to ask your

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Speaker 1: question if we thought that health care should be repealed,

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Speaker 1: and I believe it should. I also believe the Republicans

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Speaker 1: should follow through on all the promises that they've made

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Speaker 1: here in the electual process. I think they should follow

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Speaker 1: through with building the wall. I think they should repeal.

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Speaker 1: If they can't replace, at least repeal health care and

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Speaker 1: start over. UM. I think they should follow through with

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Speaker 1: the drilling for all all of those problems they made.

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Speaker 1: Could everybody back to work America first? And the one

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Speaker 1: pair that can you hear mer sir, that's the single

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Speaker 1: pair you're saying, yes, yeah, the single payer if it's passions.

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Speaker 1: I'm afraid that research that we have now for cures

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Speaker 1: for stuff like cancer, diabety, so forth and so long

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Speaker 1: will be harm. I don't take that healthcare that we

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Speaker 1: have in America will being the same quality that it

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Speaker 1: is now. I think that it will really slack off

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Speaker 1: homes what we're able to get to healthcare. Jared, I

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Speaker 1: think that's true. I think you remove the profit, motive,

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Speaker 1: profit and sentive from healthcare entirely, and we we see

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Speaker 1: what that does in every other sector. Jared, thank you

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Speaker 1: for calling in. UM. I've dealt with this. You know,

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Speaker 1: if you go into a doctor's office, and I know

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Speaker 1: to make this all about the difference between going to see, say,

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Speaker 1: a dermatologist and going to see an overworked g P

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Speaker 1: who's taking your insurance. But you know, if you go

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Speaker 1: into a fee for service office where they're doing a

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Speaker 1: lot of procedures where you're paying either on a credit card,

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Speaker 1: check or cash, it's just a different experience because they

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Speaker 1: have an incentive to make you want to come back,

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Speaker 1: to make you happy with the process. If you're going

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Speaker 1: in there and you're paying ten bucks or twenty bucks

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Speaker 1: and you're paying a cope and that's it, you know,

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Speaker 1: what are you gonna do. That's what your insurance company,

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Speaker 1: that's the doctor insurance company to let you go. See.

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Speaker 1: So in little ways you can already tell what it

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Speaker 1: would be like and imagine if the government, never mind

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Speaker 1: the insurance come to the government is like, well, now

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Speaker 1: this is the doctor. You're allowed to say. This is

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Speaker 1: the doctor who's doing you know, your dad's heart surgery.

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Speaker 1: This is the doctor who's uh doing your child's town

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Speaker 1: selectomy or whatever. I mean. That's that's no lore going

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Speaker 1: to be in your hands at all. That should not

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Speaker 1: say well, so, I look, the single payer argument, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna hear more of it. It's not quite there yet

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Speaker 1: because we meaning that it's not reached a critical mass

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Speaker 1: because of the Republicans repeal. Uh, if they repeal, But

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Speaker 1: by the way, I don't think they're going to. I

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Speaker 1: think that the the the the mess just continues on.

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Speaker 1: I think this stumbling, wounded Congress of just buffoonery. I

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Speaker 1: don't think that they're going to be able to fake

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Speaker 1: figure it out in time. I really don't. Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna go back to the drawing board

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Speaker 1: on this. And I think that you're going to see

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Speaker 1: a move to other other areas. Um. I think that

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Speaker 1: you're going to see a move to other places, you know,

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Speaker 1: taxes and whatever. They're going to move on with the agenda. Um.

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Speaker 1: That's what I think is going to happen. Let's see

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Speaker 1: guy in Mississippi on w j d X. Hey guy,

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Speaker 1: hello Buck. Uh. As many of our previous commentators oh

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Speaker 1: talked about, Uh, the Republicans have total control today in

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Speaker 1: the mere command as my culture Samer command command. If

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Speaker 1: the Democrats were in the same situation as they have

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Speaker 1: been were back in the day, and the Democrats say

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Speaker 1: a total control, I mean the Republican Party was a

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Speaker 1: minority for decades and they couldn't do anything. Now the

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Speaker 1: Republican Party has everything and they can't get it done.

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Speaker 1: They need to move forward. Whatever it takes two to

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Speaker 1: proceed with their promises. I'm just I mean, Ryan McConnell,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't. I'm not a fan either one

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Speaker 1: of them. They're they're they're once that they're they're taking

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Speaker 1: the heavy lifting here and they're they're not providing support

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Speaker 1: for Trump and what he wants to do. And if

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party can't get together now when they have everything,

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Speaker 1: they have all they want and here they are, But

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Speaker 1: what's the point, right, I mean, a guy, it's at

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Speaker 1: some at some point we have to ask, well, why

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Speaker 1: even go through the motions? Why vote for them? Why

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Speaker 1: give them power? What's the point? What's the point of

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party if they can't get this done? I

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Speaker 1: think we got to ask this questions that's exacted, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, why why you even go to the polls

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Speaker 1: when when we're voting for them to proceed with an

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Speaker 1: agenda and once they get control, they can't get it done.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what's the point? I mean, you know, yeah, no, look,

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Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's the relevant question, guy,

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Speaker 1: And hopefully they'll have an answer for you coming up here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for calling in. Um, let's see

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Speaker 1: we have Bradley in Arizona. Yes, sir, what's up? But

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to comment. I appreciate what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: It's excellent. I love the comedic bit of it as well.

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Speaker 1: But I wanted to talk about the paper tiger that

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Speaker 1: is the Republicans and and the amount of bluster that

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Speaker 1: they spoke of pre Trump and you know, and how

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Speaker 1: now it's all come to fruition that they are in

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Speaker 1: fact paper tigers. Well, yeah, I think that's why they're

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Speaker 1: they're in They're be between a rock and a hard

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Speaker 1: place right now because they can't get their bill through

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Speaker 1: and they won't do repeal. So, to borrow from my

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite movies, Office Space, Senate Republicans, what

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Speaker 1: would you say you do here? Thank you, Michael Bolton, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a fair question, though, right, I mean the senter,

643
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Speaker 1: you know, Mitch McConnell's basically saying I'm a people person,

644
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Speaker 1: I'm good with people. I mean, he doesn't have an answer. Well,

645
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Speaker 1: the other thing that I wanted to touch upon, and

646
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: then I'll go down the dusty trail is as anybody

647
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Speaker 1: ever lived in a single payer country. I've spent time

648
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: in the UK and I got to tell you that

649
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: people that live there, if you're you're a single payer participant,

650
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: it means you cannot afford a private hospital, a private physician.

651
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Speaker 1: It stinks. It is the correlation to our current see

652
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: A system. It's it's it's a terrible system. And if

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Speaker 1: you want to sign on to that, you know the

654
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: people that really needed the most, that your your downtrod

655
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Speaker 1: and etcetera going to be rolled over in a single

656
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Speaker 1: payer system and you think it's the half out, It's

657
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: only gonna get worse. Absolutely, And look, I could have

658
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Speaker 1: people call in. I've got friends and we could have

659
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: Charles Cook tell us what it's like. Uh you know,

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00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: we get him from Nash Review to join us. He's

661
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Speaker 1: from the UK, he's a US citizen now, but uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, we could have people call in and tell

663
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Speaker 1: you what it's like. Tell your stories. Bradley shield Side,

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Speaker 1: thanks for calling in, um, but you do not trust me.

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Speaker 1: You do not want the government in charge of your

666
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Speaker 1: You do not want the government in charge of the

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00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,439
Speaker 1: provision of healthcare, which what's the case in the UK,

668
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: as well as the paying of all health care. It's

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Speaker 1: ruinous for budgets, it's ruinous for economic growth, and it

670
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Speaker 1: just means your care will be substandard to what it

671
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: could otherwise be. Um. I do want to uh get

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Speaker 1: into the latest on some uh investigatory investigative updates. Will

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Speaker 1: do that coming up. He's back with you now, because

674
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Speaker 1: when it comes to the fight for truth, the fuck

675
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: never stops. Got Andy McCarthy on the line, everybody. He

676
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Speaker 1: is a former assistant U S Attorney for the Southern

677
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Speaker 1: District of New York. He is a contributing editor in

678
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Speaker 1: National Review. He's also a best selling author. You can

679
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: read his latest at National Review dot com. And you're

680
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Speaker 1: great to have you back, Buck, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Ah so Andy, We didn't get a chance to hear

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on the most recent uh, the most recent

683
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Speaker 1: data dumps and news cycles with regard to all the

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Speaker 1: investigations going on around this administration. Uh, I just wanted

685
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Speaker 1: your your your big think right now. You're you're sort

686
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Speaker 1: of thirty thousand foot view of is there a problem

687
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Speaker 1: here where you know, if if you were advising the

688
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Speaker 1: Trump campaign and sorry, the Trump administration, would you be

689
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Speaker 1: worried if you were there lawyer. Well, I'd be worried

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Speaker 1: from the moment there's a special council appointed buck, because

691
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Speaker 1: you know, once that happens, where the investigation ends up

692
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Speaker 1: is not necessarily anywhere remotely close to where it began.

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Speaker 1: So I would have said that even before there was

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Speaker 1: any concrete evidence of collusion. And when I say there's

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Speaker 1: now concrete evidence of collusion, it still doesn't mean we

696
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Speaker 1: know collusion in what. But I don't think it's credible

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Speaker 1: any longer to say there's no evidence of some coordination

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Speaker 1: between the Russian regime and the Trump campaign. Um, So

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Speaker 1: my advice to them at this point would be kind

700
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Speaker 1: of the opposite of what they've been doing, which I

701
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Speaker 1: think has gotten them in more trouble than anything else.

702
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 1: They've taken the approach of, you know, basically, don't tell

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Speaker 1: them nothing until you figure out what they have, and

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Speaker 1: then you know, give a little bit more and to

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Speaker 1: be more concrete about that. Think that's what got Don

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Speaker 1: Trump Jr. In trouble. He gave conflicting explanations of his

707
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Speaker 1: connections and the campaigns connections with Russians during the campaign,

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Speaker 1: and as a result, he looked much worse than maybe

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Speaker 1: the reality of the situation dictates because it looks like

710
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Speaker 1: probably nothing terribly earth shattering happened at this meeting, but

711
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Speaker 1: because Trump Junior initially said there was no such meeting

712
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Speaker 1: and then gave a sort of uh mendaciously incomplete view

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Speaker 1: of what or depiction of what the meeting entailed, and

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Speaker 1: then finally disclosed his emails about it only because to

715
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Speaker 1: New York Times was about to beat him to the punch,

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Speaker 1: you know, because he did that, did it that way.

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Speaker 1: He's kind of uh, you know, you're seeing the death

718
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Speaker 1: of a thousand cuts, and you're seeing somebody who who

719
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Speaker 1: looks shifty and acts guilty. So my advice to them

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Speaker 1: would be to get everything out. As long as there's

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Speaker 1: nothing to hide at this point, I would just put

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Speaker 1: it out publicly. And the other thing I'd be doing,

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Speaker 1: if there's anything to it, buck, is I'd be getting

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Speaker 1: the competing narrative out there about um any you know,

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Speaker 1: with respect to any evidence that they may have of

726
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: Obama administration spying on the Trump campaign. Now they've been

727
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Speaker 1: they haven't done that. And as you and I have

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Speaker 1: discussed before, the President is the person in this government

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Speaker 1: who owns classified information. If they wanted to put out uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, unclassified summaries tomorrow of who did the unmasking

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Speaker 1: and who was unmasked and what the circumstances were. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The president could order that to be done, and the

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Speaker 1: fact that he hasn't ordered it to be done leads

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Speaker 1: me to believe that even if there's something there, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe the Trump people don't want all of it to

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Speaker 1: come out or don't think that all of it is

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Speaker 1: uh is helpful to them. But I'd be of a

738
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: mind to try to get everything out there that you

739
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Speaker 1: could and look like you were trying to get to

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Speaker 1: the bottom of this and get it behind you. That's

741
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Speaker 1: certainly on on the public relations side of it, Andy

742
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Speaker 1: that that would and on the the general narrative side

743
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Speaker 1: of it that makes sense to me and I've been befuddled.

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Speaker 1: Is one way to put it at the way that

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Speaker 1: specifically Donald Trump Jr. Who obviously has a tremendous uh

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Speaker 1: team of people, tremendous resources at his disposal, the way

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Speaker 1: that it's been handled since the initial news story broke,

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Speaker 1: I I just don't understand. I don't understand why. You know,

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Speaker 1: now we have Cenn reporting that there was an eighth

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Speaker 1: person at that Trump Tower meeting. Now we have reporting

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Speaker 1: an addition additionally that there was a second hour long

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Speaker 1: meeting between Putin at the G twenty and Trump. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, these things keep keep coming out. We keep

754
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Speaker 1: finding out things that don't look particularly good, and I

755
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Speaker 1: think that that's making this whole situation harder for the administration.

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Speaker 1: That has to be just a question though, on the

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Speaker 1: Special Council side of things. When you were a prosecutor, um,

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Speaker 1: was it something you would take into account? Was it

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Speaker 1: something that the U. S. Attorney's Office if someone came

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Speaker 1: to them and said, look, uh, here's what happened, here's

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Speaker 1: the stuff I've got, here's the context for it. I

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Speaker 1: don't want you to think that this is something that

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Speaker 1: it wasn't you know? Is that you know obviously you

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Speaker 1: have lawyers present for this and such, But is that

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Speaker 1: sometimes the better option. I'm just thinking about how they'll

766
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Speaker 1: approach this because now they're reporting the Special Counsels looking

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Speaker 1: at this meeting. So is it ever the is it

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Speaker 1: ever this situation Andy, where you'll have the lawyer say, Okay, look,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna come in tell the U. S. Attorney's Office

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Speaker 1: everything because there's nothing you know, we we don't believe

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Speaker 1: we've done anything wrong. We want to make sure they

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Speaker 1: hear our side of the story and they don't have

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Speaker 1: to find it first, or is it always Nah, you

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Speaker 1: gotta you know, they're gonna wait and see if the U. S.

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Speaker 1: Attorney's Office finds it. Does that? Do you see what

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00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 1: I'm saying? Yeah? Exactly, And you know, Buck, it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: When I first started as a prosecutor, let me let

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Speaker 1: me answer your question first, which is yes, that's always important,

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00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 1: and it's always relevant, and it's always a hard call

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Speaker 1: for a defense lawyer to make because you have to

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Speaker 1: decide is this something that the government would have stumbled

782
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Speaker 1: upon if we didn't disclose it, versus we didn't really

783
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Speaker 1: do anything terribly wrong here, Let's tell them what happened

784
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Speaker 1: and fall on our sword to the extent you know

785
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: we can do that, and then convinced them that because

786
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Speaker 1: we've been good citizens about it, that we shouldn't be charged,

787
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Speaker 1: or at least that that should be taken into account.

788
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Speaker 1: When I started as a as a prosecutor, that was

789
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Speaker 1: always kind of um in a in an unwritten way,

790
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: the rule of the road. Now it's in a written way,

791
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: since We've gotten sentencing guidelines which started right around and

792
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: have been periodically I guess annually um amended ever since then.

793
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: It's now actually written into the sentencing guidelines, particularly incorporate

794
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 1: enforcement UM that. One of the considerations that that goes

795
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: into sentencing very heavily is whether the enterprise that you're

796
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: talking about actually came in and disclosed, uh, if they

797
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: came upon evidence that at least arguably was evidence of wrongdoing,

798
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: and what measures they took to uh, you know, to

799
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Speaker 1: investigate it and to cure it and to cooperate with

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Speaker 1: the government. All that stuff is now actually written into

801
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: our laws. It's very important. But in the case of

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Speaker 1: for example, Donald Trump Jr. Possibly meeting with the Special counsel,

803
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Speaker 1: if if there's anything that we don't know but that

804
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: the special counsel may be coming into or maybe not,

805
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: it wouldn't matter, could it? Could it be useful or

806
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: to his advantage? And again I'm theorizing here, but I'm

807
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: just trying to understand and how these things work. To

808
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: go to Muller or whomever and say, look, just so

809
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 1: you understand, this is the this is the additional context.

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Speaker 1: Is everything that's going on or do you think that

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Speaker 1: it's uh, is that too risky, Well, it's only risky

812
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Speaker 1: if you've done something that you you know that you're

813
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: trying to conceal. If this is my you know, my

814
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: take on what the common sense of the situation tells us,

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Speaker 1: that is that even though we now know about this

816
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Speaker 1: meeting that we learned about about a week ago, that

817
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 1: doesn't erase the fact that this has been investigated pretty

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Speaker 1: hard by the FBI and the intelligence community for over

819
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Speaker 1: a year and they haven't come up at this point,

820
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Speaker 1: as far as the we know from people who have

821
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Speaker 1: looked at the evidence, they haven't come up with anything

822
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Speaker 1: concrete that's terribly disturbing about the Trump campaign. Assuming that

823
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: that's true, and I do assume that until we until

824
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: we learn otherwise, I think their best play is to

825
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: go in and say here's what we know. But if

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Speaker 1: I were a lawyer in this situation, I must say

827
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Speaker 1: I would want to take uh, you know, Donald Trump Jr.

828
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Speaker 1: And other people similarly situated aside, and you know, in

829
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: as respectful a way as you can do it, which

830
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: is not always very respectful in these situations, beat on

831
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Speaker 1: them until they understand that you know, you've got to

832
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 1: tell them everything or tell them nothing. I mean, I always,

833
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: I always think with with people having looked at this

834
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Speaker 1: from both sides of it, but particularly as a prosecutor,

835
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Speaker 1: you are much better off if you're dealing with me

836
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: as a prosecutor, you're much better off saying, um, with

837
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Speaker 1: due respect, I'm going to take my Fifth Amendment privilege.

838
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: Then you are coming in and telling me half a story.

839
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Speaker 1: So a defense lawyer's challenge, I think in these situations

840
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: is to get the client to understand we play it

841
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: either one way or we played it the other way.

842
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: There's no half measures here, because there's nothing worse with

843
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: the government than going in taking the taking the tone

844
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: like you're being transparent, but holding back information that that

845
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: can only make it go long for you. So unless

846
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Speaker 1: the guy is ready to go in and tell the

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00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: whole story, I would I'd keep him out. We're speaking

848
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Speaker 1: to Annie McCarthy. He is an editor at National Review

849
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Speaker 1: National Review dot com for his articles and also he's

850
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: a best selling author. And what was your last book? Uh?

851
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Speaker 1: The last one, oddly enough, was Faithless Execution, which is

852
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Speaker 1: a book I wrote about impeachment. I kind of feel

853
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Speaker 1: fun now, like I should have held onto it for

854
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Speaker 1: a couple of years because you're you're concerned that's a

855
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 1: good seguator. You're concerned that even if and you're again

856
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Speaker 1: and he's a former decades as a federal prosecutor here

857
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Speaker 1: in New York City. Uh, you're concerned that even if

858
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Speaker 1: there's no crime, which I think a lot of people

859
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: that are predisposed or or feel, you know, that will

860
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Speaker 1: defend on But by the way, I'm not a lawyer.

861
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: I've never prosecutor. But I don't see what the crime

862
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 1: is in the meeting, And I think that people are

863
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: are making a much bigger deal out of the exchange

864
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: of information in there, then they should in a criminal

865
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: sense of it, right, because you know, now it's like

866
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: if someone emails you know, if someone emails you information

867
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: that Hillary has taken bribes from such and such and

868
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Speaker 1: you act on that if it's a foreign government, are

869
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: you in trouble? Now? You don't know, I mean, you know,

870
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: there's I think that that creates very real First Amendment problems,

871
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: is what I'm trying to say. Um, but you know,

872
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: the the opposition research thing, yeah, the opposition research thing,

873
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: um yeah, But on the on the impeachment side of

874
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: the equation, as you point out and have research then

875
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: have written, he's written a book on this. That doesn't

876
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: have to be you're facing federal prison time. That can

877
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: just be you're being sketchy on an ethical right. Yeah, well,

878
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: let me let me because I we broached the subject.

879
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: Let me put my cars on the table at the

880
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: beginning to say, I don't think Trump has been shown

881
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: to have done anything impeachable to this point, and if

882
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: we continue along the way that we're currently going, I

883
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: don't don't see it. But I think it's important to

884
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: broach it because in our system, and this is the

885
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: reason I, you know, I wrote the book to try

886
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: to explain our system. I didn't I didn't think there

887
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: was any political prospect that Obama was ever going to

888
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: be impeached. My my point in writing the book was

889
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: to try to explain to people that in this system,

890
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: when executive misconduct is that issue, the question is impeachment.

891
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: It's not you don't prosecute the president in the criminal

892
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: justice system. You know, when you're dealing with when you're

893
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,760
Speaker 1: dealing with executive access, the question is is it serianus

894
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: serious enough to impeach and remove the president or not.

895
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: And when the Framers put the standard of impeachment uh

896
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: in the Constitution by high crimes and misdemeanors, this was

897
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: a decisive check they gave to Congress. They did not

898
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: confine it to indictable crimes. It's a term of art

899
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: that refers to basically abuses of of power or unfitness

900
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: from for office. And it's a political remedy, not a

901
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,439
Speaker 1: legal one. But Andy, so you don't think you've seen

902
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: anything that would would cross the threshold into this. But

903
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: are you Are you more concerned now than you've ever been?

904
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: Are you still kind of withholding judgment in terms of

905
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: the administration and where this is all going. I'm more

906
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: concerned than I was before. But because before I I

907
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: just pooh pooed the whole idea of collusion since we

908
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: had gone a year and there hadn't been any evidence

909
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: of it. Now we have some evidence of it. I

910
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: don't see it as collusion in the sense of conspiracy.

911
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: For conspiracy, you need to have a crime that the

912
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: people agreed to commit. Right now, what we have is

913
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 1: collusion on the transmission of some opposition research that turns

914
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: out not to have been very much. And I I'm

915
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: making that conclusion not because I think Donald Trump Jr.

916
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: Is an impresco, impeccable source. I think at this point

917
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: he's he's given enough contradictory accounts of this meeting that

918
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't take what he said at face value. But

919
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: there's another person who was there, this former Russian counter

920
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: intelligence uh, the agent who accompanied the Russian lawyer, the

921
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: woman to meet with the Trump Jr. He says that, um,

922
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: she gave the Trump people a plastic file which contained

923
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: these documents that she said contained or showed illegal payoffs

924
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: by Russian people to the Democrat National Committee. Um, if

925
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna credit her, if you're gonna credit his version

926
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: of events on that, and I think a lot of

927
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Speaker 1: people are, and I don't see any reason to doubt

928
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: that he's selling the truth about that. I think you

929
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: probably have to also credit the rest of his account,

930
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: which matches up with what Trump juniors telling us. In

931
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Speaker 1: other words, he's saying he thought the information was was

932
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: basically a big nothing. That the Trump people seemed to

933
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: ask her a few questions and she wasn't really able

934
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,919
Speaker 1: to answer them, and they needed to do a little

935
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: more research on it. And he thought it was a

936
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: big nothing. Um. That seems to corroborate as far as

937
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: I can tell, Trump j one quick thing, and because

938
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: I've seen people saying this and we gotta run in

939
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: a brig in the second. But conspiracy, which which is

940
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Speaker 1: a criminal charge. For example, if the and this is

941
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: not what happened, but just people are surmising a lot

942
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: if the Trump campaign had said, yeah, get us whatever

943
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: great information you can, and then the Russians went in

944
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: hacked and did something illegal and came back unless you

945
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 1: could prove that the Trump's had said yeah, go hack right,

946
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 1: that that wouldn't count either. It would have to be

947
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: you'd have to be knowing in the conspiracy. You can't

948
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: just be a recipient in the conspiracy. Does that make sense? Yes?

949
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: Although you did ask me about my books. My first

950
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,240
Speaker 1: book was called willful Blindness, which there is a doctrine

951
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: of law called conscious avoidance um, which which means you

952
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: can't stick your head in the sand to avoid uh

953
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: learning information that you know neon lights are telling you

954
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: is is criminal. So you could get down to the

955
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: question whether, um, they had reason to think the Russians

956
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: were going to go about getting information by illegal means,

957
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,959
Speaker 1: and they, you know, hid their head in the sand

958
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: about that and whether that's enough to fill the knowledge gap.

959
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: I think if we got to that, we'd have a

960
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: much more serious conversation about impeachment. UM, in which case

961
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: it wouldn't you wouldn't have to prove the prosecutable crime

962
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: that you'd have to that you'd be able to prove

963
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: in court. Um, you know right, it would. It would

964
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: be a high crimes and misdemeanor side of it. Uh,

965
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: all right. And by the as Andy says, nothing yet,

966
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: he's just he's just looking at it, he's keeping eye

967
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: in it, but nothing yet that would be impeachable. Andy

968
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: McCarthy I of nasher View. Everybody, Andy, thank you so

969
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: much for giving us your time. Thank you Buck. Team

970
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: Hitting a Break will be right back, you know. Team

971
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: It's Made in America week and uh the White House

972
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: pushing that agenda and wanting everyone to focus in on

973
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: some of the positive manufacturing and UH corporate and UH

974
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 1: various various stories from within the commercial sector. We will

975
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: have a an entrepreneur and a veteran joining us in

976
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 1: just a few minutes to talk about his success story.

977
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: Also a sponsor of the show, which is gonna be

978
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,479
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Uh. And later on we'll also

979
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: have somebody from a an iconic, enormous corporation joining and

980
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: tell us about some of their made in America initiatives

981
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: and what they're up to. UM. I know that the

982
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: Trump administration has re certified the Iran Deal. If I

983
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: do not get into that at some length today, I

984
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: will certainly do that tomorrow. But I'm just realizing we've

985
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: got a lot of show to fit in and not

986
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: that much time. But I've also got a lot of

987
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: calls coming in van in North Carolina. W p T I.

988
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: What's on your mind? Sir? Hi A back, Nice talking

989
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: to you. UM. I'm a retired position and I think

990
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: that the Healthcare for ARM bill is very doable. I

991
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: think there are four essential parts to it. The first

992
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: part is a repeal, which means no one will be

993
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: enrolled as of the day of passage of the bill,

994
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: and the Medicaid expansion also will stop as of the

995
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 1: day of passage of the bill. That's the section one.

996
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: Section two is what do we do with all those

997
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: people who are already in it? And I would suggest

998
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: that we put them into a Medicaid medicaid type of program,

999
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: and the states will manage them for about three years

1000
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: and after that they're on their own their own. And

1001
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: the third section would be through your two sections to

1002
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: go ahead, Uh, what do we do with medicaid expansion?

1003
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: So similarly, we can put a date limit, time limit

1004
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: on it, and then they're on their own. They have

1005
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: to qualify by state standards. And the fourth one is

1006
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: the most important one is where we give consumer choices

1007
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: to the people. We give choices to insurance companies, to

1008
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: the providers, and to the consumers, and that's where you

1009
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: stimulate market competition. We are not going to replace Obamacare

1010
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: with another program. I think that's where they're all arguing

1011
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: about it, and they shouldn't. They should do consumer choices

1012
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: van various student analysis. I agree with you. Thank you

1013
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: very much for calling him. We got a retired physician

1014
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: waighing in. Much appreciated it, Sir shieldsaye uh, team, we're

1015
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: gonna talk to an entrepreneur and a veteran and we've

1016
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: got a lot more in just a few Stay with

1017
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: me through the break. He's holding the line for America.

1018
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: Buck Sexton his back seem I talk to you about

1019
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: how I am a coffee drinker, and in fact, I

1020
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,959
Speaker 1: right now have a cup of coffee in my hand.

1021
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: But it comes from a very special company, one that

1022
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: is a sponsor of Buck sexon with America now, and

1023
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: it's a company with a story that I want to

1024
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: tell all of you. Black Rifle Coffee Company Company. We

1025
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: have the CEO joining us now, Evan Haafer of Black

1026
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: Rifle Coffee. Evan, great to have you on, Great to

1027
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: be here, Buck, Thank you very much for having me.

1028
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: Evan is an Army Special Forces vettern. He spent the

1029
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: first fourteen years of his career in the U. S.

1030
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: Army as an infantryman and a Special Forces soldier. But Evan,

1031
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: you're not just a guy who's got skill with firearms.

1032
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: You have skill with coffee roasting as well. Tell us

1033
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: a little bit about your journey and how you got

1034
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: to this place where you found a Black Rifle Coffee. Well, Uh,

1035
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: I actually started my coffee journey back in nineteen I

1036
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: moved to Seattle and uh to to go to college,

1037
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: and ultimately I met some really attractive barista and she

1038
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: turned me on to great espresso. Just like every good story,

1039
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: it starts with a girl, right um, She turned me

1040
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: on too great espresso, and for there I fell in

1041
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: love with coffee, just coffee in general. I went out

1042
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: and attended the Special Forces qualification course out at Fort Bragg,

1043
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: North Carolina. Afterwards I went back to Seattle. I was

1044
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: still just kind of infatuated with getting the perfect shot

1045
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: of espresso. I'm an Americano guy and uh I, I

1046
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: flew over to Kuwait in preparation for the invasion of Iraq,

1047
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: and everybody on my O d A was like, hey,

1048
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: what what do you got for coffee? Man? Because we

1049
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: don't want to invade this country without just some awesome coffee.

1050
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: So uh, I got online and I ordered a ton

1051
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: of great coffee. I modified our vehicles so we could

1052
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: actually grind in the field, and uh we had French

1053
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: Press coffee every morning until we ultimately ran out. And

1054
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: that kind of started this infatuation with with coffee that

1055
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: lasted the next you know, decade and some change in

1056
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: all actuality. You and I have some similar paths because

1057
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: I was working for the agency in a selection and

1058
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: vetting course, doing some designing and implementing advanced car being

1059
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: and tactics, and uh I was roasting coffee out on

1060
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: the range when a bunch of guys were telling me, Man,

1061
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: you should really start a coffee company. So you know,

1062
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Speaker 1: I used to have these long dissertations about you know,

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Speaker 1: the car being and how beautiful the rifle was, and

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Speaker 1: and uh it. Ultimately it came to me I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: Black Rifle Coffee Company was born, literally on the range,

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Speaker 1: one pound at a time. Evan have everybody is a

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Speaker 1: is a special weapons and tactics expert as well as

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Speaker 1: a coffee connoisseur, somebody who really knows his way around it.

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Speaker 1: What do you say, French Press, I've got to even

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Speaker 1: learn some of this stuff here you go, well, well,

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Speaker 1: beyond me. I'm just used to paying way too much

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Speaker 1: for coffee in New York until now. Because I've got

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Speaker 1: my Black Rifle coffee sitting with me here, I am.

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Speaker 1: In fact, drinking islands are smooth in between radio segments,

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Speaker 1: so it is delicious, sir. Thank you for that. But

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Speaker 1: tell me a bit about how you pledge to hire

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Speaker 1: ten thousand veterans in response to Starbucks pledging to hire

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Speaker 1: ten thousand immigrants. Well, I think you know, the response

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Speaker 1: initially was literally I think the focus of the media

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Speaker 1: attention that was given to that specifically was was was

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Speaker 1: fairly robust, and people were inflating this idea right and

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Speaker 1: ultimately I just thought the logistics of that are impossible. One.

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Speaker 1: It's like there's so many different things that we'd have

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Speaker 1: to talk about. You know, does this guy have a

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Speaker 1: special relationship with the State Department in order to identify

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Speaker 1: refugees in order pull them into the market, pull them

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Speaker 1: into you know that the private market. Is this this

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Speaker 1: is not a legitimate act, meaning like I really don't

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Speaker 1: think that this can happen. And so, you know, Matt myself,

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Speaker 1: Matt Best and myself, we were sitting on a podcast

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Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, if if we continue

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Speaker 1: to grow like this, this is possible for us to

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Speaker 1: hire ten thousand veterans. And literally it was born in

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Speaker 1: when I say, a ten minute conversation. It was we

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Speaker 1: were already planning on a franchise expansion, you know, and

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Speaker 1: we had already been discussing or with you know, our

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01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 1: franchise development guys, how we're going to roll this out.

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Speaker 1: I talked to some really some smart guys about it,

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Speaker 1: and I asked him, I'd sent out some texts like

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Speaker 1: is it possible for us to do this, and like, absolutely, man,

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Speaker 1: you could. You could definitely do this if you rolled

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Speaker 1: out your expansion of between five dred and seven hundred

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Speaker 1: stores within the next six years. Uh, this was this

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Speaker 1: is absolutely possible. So we launched a meme that ultimately

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Speaker 1: created a very robust rift between us and them. And ultimately,

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Speaker 1: you know, I looked at, you know, the the other side,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, there's nothing really separating them from us

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Speaker 1: other than you know, they were appliance salesman before they

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01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: launched coffee company. And hell, you know, if we're leading

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Speaker 1: fire teams in Helmand or downtown Baghdad, I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 1: that qualifies me as one one rung above an appliance salesman.

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Speaker 1: We're speaking to Evan Heyfer. He's CEO of Black Rifle

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Speaker 1: Coffee Company. You can go to Black Rifle Coffee dot com. There,

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Speaker 1: of course, a sponsor of the show, much appreciated Evans

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Speaker 1: telling us his story about how he went from being

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Speaker 1: an Army Special Forces veteran to a coffee entrepreneur and uh,

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping a coffee mogul. Uh, So tell me a

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Speaker 1: bit about just in general, what were your experiences as

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Speaker 1: a veteran trying to start your own business, and people

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Speaker 1: talk about entrepreneurship and how in particular the veterans community

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Speaker 1: has a lot of folks that are starting and want

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Speaker 1: to start their own businesses. I just wanted you to

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Speaker 1: speak to that. Yeah, I think that you know, we

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Speaker 1: have to break it down to the numbers. Uh. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's about twenty four million veterans in the United States

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Speaker 1: with under unemployment rates that it seed the national average.

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Speaker 1: And you know, veterans come from a certain subculture. They

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Speaker 1: have identified skills that they've learned throughout, you know, the

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Speaker 1: course of their service to the country, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of those are qualifying factors to become good business owners. UM.

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01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: I wrote my first business plan from a five paragraph

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01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 1: up order and our our ultimately what that landed me

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01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 1: was was was a was a great job with a

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Speaker 1: great group of guys, and they did fund the company.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't Black Rifle, It's a different company. But we

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Speaker 1: did start to explore this idea several years ago that

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01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 1: our service could directly translate into uh distinction within the

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Speaker 1: community as a business owner. So what I say is

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Speaker 1: I like to try to empower employee and emancipate veterans

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Speaker 1: through my actions, and you know, creating that opportunity is

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Speaker 1: very important. I think when I made my transition, you know,

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Speaker 1: I had led a sea magnificant amount of operations overseas.

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01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 1: I'd led men, I'd manage men, and logistics and accounting.

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01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of different things that could directly

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01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: translate over into the small business world. It made it

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Speaker 1: a lot easier for me, but I really had to

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01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: think about it in the context of what were the

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Speaker 1: skills that the military taught me and how did those

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Speaker 1: translate over into the business world. I spent the first

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Speaker 1: I don't know three days writing my business plan and

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01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: translating straight off the Small Business Association's website into the

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Speaker 1: five paragraph operations order. Because I could speak this language,

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01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: you know, I can brief something, I can write, but

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Speaker 1: I needed to be able to write my mission, you know,

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Speaker 1: write my mission statement out and then flow my objectives

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01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 1: and logistics and the assumptions and all these things into

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Speaker 1: that and something that made sense to me and ultimately

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01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 1: would make sense to civilians that weren't in the military.

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Speaker 1: And I think that abrupt transition from government service into

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Speaker 1: business I kind of learned by fire was O j T.

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Speaker 1: And it wasn't easy. It's definitely not easy. So I've

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Speaker 1: made it a mission in my life. I hope you

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Speaker 1: don't mind. I mean, I have a business podcast. I

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01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: won't I won't necessarily stump it unless you tell me

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01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: what's um So it's black Hearted, it's you know, available

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01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 1: on iTunes, and really all that is it's really about

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01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 1: empowering and playing and emancipating UH men and women from

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Speaker 1: government service. And it is definitely one of our definable

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Speaker 1: objectives with Black Rifle is to lead the business in

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Speaker 1: an ethical way that can inspire and motivate the men

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Speaker 1: and women that have served the country to go out

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Speaker 1: and stand their stand up their own companies or businesses.

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Speaker 1: Can I ask a couple of rapid fire questions, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you you can only you can only have one rifle.

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Speaker 1: What rifle would that be? I think there'd be ah Novaski,

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01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 1: so a Noveski, a r so we could bury the

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Speaker 1: calibers depending that definitely an a rifle. Best coffee beans

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Speaker 1: in the world come from what country? Oh? I would

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Speaker 1: say Ethiopia. Ethiopia is the birthday place of coffee. The

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01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: history goes back to go orders uh several thousand years ago,

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Speaker 1: and Ethiopia still produces the most amazing, tasted, tasting coffee

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Speaker 1: in the world. And if you could only have you

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01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: can have your own beans from Black Rifle. But if

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Speaker 1: you'd only have one coffee drink every day for the

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Speaker 1: rest of your life, same drink, what would it be?

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Speaker 1: A K forty seven Espresso Double Americano with eight ounces

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Speaker 1: of water? There you go, everybody? All right? Evan Hey

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Speaker 1: for CEO of Black Rifle Coffee Company and also US

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Speaker 1: Army Special Forces veteran. Check out Black Rifle Coffee dot com,

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Speaker 1: proud sponsor of Buck Sexton with America Now the Freedom Hunt.

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Speaker 1: The Freedom Hunt is fueled with Black Rifle Coffee. My friends, Evan,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for make the time. Can rats

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Speaker 1: on your success and thank you for partnering upwards. We we

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Speaker 1: we appreciate it. Thank you for the opportunity to be

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Speaker 1: on the show. All right, thank you, Tom. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: hit a quick break. We'll take your calls. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: Iran Deal, re certification, and a bunch of other things

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Speaker 1: as well. Stay with me. Have you gotten your Freedom

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Speaker 1: you who are old school fans know what Commy Bear is.

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Speaker 1: We are working on getting some Commy Bear stuff going

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Speaker 1: Trust me, I've got a lot of projects working here

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Speaker 1: Trump administration by the way, oh wait wait, and one

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Speaker 1: American Now, those of you who are listening, uh, you

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Speaker 1: can download the podcast. If you ever missed a show,

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Speaker 1: it'll be there waiting for you. And also you can

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Speaker 1: always always listen even if you're out of traditional terrestrial

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Speaker 1: radio range or you're just you know, if you're in

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Speaker 1: the office and you can't listen to radio, but you've

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Speaker 1: got an Internet connection. The I heart app just down

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Speaker 1: with American Now we've got a lot of folks listening

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Speaker 1: on the I Heart appened really appreciate that. It's a

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Speaker 1: core part of of Team Bucks. So all that said,

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Speaker 1: we have the Trump administration. Well this is what Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump in the Iran deal. The deal has been certified.

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Speaker 1: Uh so that's what I'm seeing here from the Hill.

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Speaker 1: I had a feeling, based on the early reporting, this

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Speaker 1: will happen. This was going to happen. And here's what

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Speaker 1: Trump was saying about the Iran deal during the campaign.

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Speaker 1: If you'll recall, they will know I'm not playing games.

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Speaker 1: I hate to inherit a bad deal. And I know

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Speaker 1: some of my compatriots said we won't honor the deal.

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Speaker 1: That's a little tough. I like to honor deal. So

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Speaker 1: they have the money. But by the time I get there,

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Speaker 1: they will be very rich because Obama will have given

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Speaker 1: them all of these many billions of dollars, etcetera, etcetera. However,

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Speaker 1: I study contracts. I'm a I'm a you know in golf,

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Speaker 1: I say I'm a plus five at contracts. Okay, no

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Speaker 1: matter how bad this contract is, I will make this

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Speaker 1: contract beingforced to such an extent that they will not

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Speaker 1: be able to do it, and then I will do

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01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 1: things that you won't believe. Okay. So that was during

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Speaker 1: the campaign. Now here we are the Trump administration is well,

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Speaker 1: this is what the Hill has written on this. The

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Speaker 1: Trump administration certified Iran's compliance with the nuclear agreement reached

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Speaker 1: two years ago under the Obama administration, but said Iran

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Speaker 1: is quote in defaults of the spirit of the accord.

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Speaker 1: A senior Administration official told reporters that the White House

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Speaker 1: will certify to Congress that Iran is meeting the provisions

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Speaker 1: of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, but stress that

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Speaker 1: it plans to take a broader approach to combat Iran's

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Speaker 1: other malign activities, including additional sanctions for Iran's action outside

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Speaker 1: the scope of the nuclear deal. See, uh, there's all.

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Speaker 1: This is a very complicated issue, but I'm gonna try

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Speaker 1: to boil it down to its essence as much as possible.

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Speaker 1: Iran complying with the deal is not surprising because, at

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Speaker 1: least in large part right whether there's little efforts to

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Speaker 1: and I keep in mind, do we even know if

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Speaker 1: they're trying to conceal activity. That's that's always a moving

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Speaker 1: target as well finding out if there are violations, assuming

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Speaker 1: they're violating it in meaningful ways. But it's to Iran's

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Speaker 1: benefit right now to comply with the deal. They're getting

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Speaker 1: the money, they're getting the easing of sanctions, and they

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Speaker 1: don't have to destroy their nuclear program. They really just

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Speaker 1: hit pause on it, right and they will become a

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Speaker 1: stronger country economically and military early in the years ahead

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Speaker 1: because they have essentially an international blessing for their existing

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Speaker 1: program right that. They're not worried right now about some

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Speaker 1: coalition from wherever uh with an air strike which people

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Speaker 1: in the past we're saying, oh, I don't know, they

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Speaker 1: might there, might hit Iran's facilities, and that's that's not

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Speaker 1: a concern right now under the or at least you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not what we're hearing about um with the Iranian regime.

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Speaker 1: Based on the framework, based on the agreement that has

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Speaker 1: been reached, the Iranians have received already a lot of

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Speaker 1: economic relief and sanctions relief as a result of this.

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Speaker 1: The regime is stronger now than it was years ago,

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Speaker 1: and so of course they're going to continue on with

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Speaker 1: the deal because it's a great deal for them. It's

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Speaker 1: a bad deal for the rest of us because at

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Speaker 1: the end of I mean the rest of the world really,

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Speaker 1: because at the end of this you have a rich

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Speaker 1: or more powerful, more militarily advanced Iran that will have

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Speaker 1: a very short breakout time to weaponize nuclear capability. Um

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Speaker 1: now that might be some years down the line, and

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Speaker 1: in a sense, the Iranians are taking advantage of the

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Speaker 1: short political attention span that we all deal with in

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Speaker 1: this country. Of well, by the time we find out

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Speaker 1: how bad the Obama deal really is, the Obama administration

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Speaker 1: will be long gone, and the Democrats will be making

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Speaker 1: all kinds of excuses about how the failures of the

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Speaker 1: Iran deal or someone else's fault, right, that Iran's more

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Speaker 1: aggressive and more lethal foreign policy in the Middle East

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Speaker 1: and beyond is not the result of the Iran of

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Speaker 1: the Obama era deal, but of some other whatever the factory.

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Speaker 1: They'll come up with something, right, Trump's really means, so

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Speaker 1: Iran's doing all this stuff, I mean, they'll have something

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Speaker 1: to say or whomever is the president when we really

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01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 1: are no longer able to avoid the obvious reality of

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Speaker 1: the failure of the Iran Deal. Um, But the administration

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01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 1: is saying that they're in default of the spirit, so

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Speaker 1: they are going to try to rein them in on

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Speaker 1: other aspects of Iranian policy. Right. They still have uh,

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01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:12,480
Speaker 1: they still have Iranian support for terrorism, human rights abuse, abuses,

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Speaker 1: their hostility to Israel, their support for Bashar al Assad's

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Speaker 1: regime in Syria. These are all places where we can

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Speaker 1: try to apply pressure, and there are still certainly ways

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Speaker 1: that the administration we'll be able to show its displeasure

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Speaker 1: with Iran. But I have to say it's it's not

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Speaker 1: as easy to get out of this agreement as some

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Speaker 1: people thought it would be. Um, They're they're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to wait and see what happens. We can keep in

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Speaker 1: mind we're not the only party to this as well,

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Speaker 1: so the administration will turn on the heat and we'll

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Speaker 1: see if that actually bears bears fruit. Bruce and Pennsylvania

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Speaker 1: in the I heart app. I got about a minute,

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Speaker 1: but I wanted to get you in what's up? Um, Well,

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Speaker 1: I was wanted to talk to you about Rona McDaniel,

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Speaker 1: the RNC chairwoman, and what is she doing. We don't

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Speaker 1: hear anything from her if Congress, you know, won't do

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Speaker 1: anything what she needs to do. And when it comes

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Speaker 1: to the Affordable Care Act is come out and say, hey,

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Speaker 1: any Senator, any member of the House of Representatives, if

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Speaker 1: you don't vote for a straight up appeal, no strengths attached,

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01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 1: we're going to primary you and we're going to get

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Speaker 1: you out of there. Because of the American people voted,

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01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:36,680
Speaker 1: we want O'pamacare gone. We'll have to see I mean out.

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01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 1: That would certainly have an effect, but I don't know

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Speaker 1: if we're gonna I think the Republicans are there are

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01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 1: they're scrambling right now. I'm sure the RNC is an

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Speaker 1: interesting place to be right now. I would be fun

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Speaker 1: to be a fly on the wall there at Bruce

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Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania. See another guy listening on the I heart

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Speaker 1: have everybody, great way to listen to the show, Bruce.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Tim. I'm gonna talk to you

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Speaker 1: about some economic issues. We've got somebody joining us from

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01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 1: Walmart and just a little it and then also Betsy

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01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:10,959
Speaker 1: de Voss and campus sexual assault tribunals, Bug Sexton with America.

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01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 1: Now the Freedom Hut is fired up as team Buck

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Speaker 1: assembles shouldered as shoulder shields high call in eight four

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Speaker 1: four d Buck. That's eight four four to eight to five.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back team. So it is Native America Week, and

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Speaker 1: we are going to be joined in just a few

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Speaker 1: minutes by someone who can tell us about one of

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Speaker 1: the most iconic companies in the country, in the world,

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01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 1: in fact, a company that is associated with all things America,

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01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 1: and some of their efforts right now to make products

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Speaker 1: in the country, and some of their initiatives. But I

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Speaker 1: did want to talk a little bit first about some

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01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:59,719
Speaker 1: of the some of the trends that I see happening

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01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 1: that we're not hearing much about these days, but you

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01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 1: probably should when it comes to what's going on in

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Speaker 1: our economy. I know that, and I talked to you

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Speaker 1: a little bit about this yesterday. I know that there

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Speaker 1: is a sense that right now things are good, and

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Speaker 1: that's objectively speaking true today, meaning that the stock markets

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01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 1: in a good place. There aren't major economic pain, there

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Speaker 1: aren't major economic problems that people are dealing with right now.

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Speaker 1: The economic pain seems kind of uh well, certainly less

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Speaker 1: than it's been in years past. But but I see

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Speaker 1: some some big issues. I mean, there was a piece

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Speaker 1: in the Wall Street Journal that was fascinating looking at

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Speaker 1: just one sector of the economy that again you're not

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Speaker 1: gonna hear much about, because we got to hear about

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Speaker 1: thromp and the raw shot and all this other stuff.

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Speaker 1: But farmers, farmers are he wants to but an iconic

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Speaker 1: part of American commerce. I mean, farmers since the founding

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Speaker 1: have been an important part of this nation. And recently,

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Speaker 1: what we've seen happening is that farmers are buying incredibly

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Speaker 1: expensive equipment, incredibly expensive machinery, including tractors that cost two

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Uh, some of these harvesting machines.

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Speaker 1: And I'm learning all about this, and I'm the first

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Speaker 1: one to tell you. You know, my my family, my

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Speaker 1: my grandparents had a place in what we call upstate

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Speaker 1: but really upstate New York. People laugh at that because

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Speaker 1: they're like two hours from New York City is not

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Speaker 1: really upstate, like upstate is practically Canada. But my grandparents

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Speaker 1: have lived lived in that part of the state and

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Speaker 1: they had neighbors that were they have neighbors that had

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Speaker 1: a horse farm, a goat farm with Actually I'm somebody

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Speaker 1: who loves goat milk and thinks that it's delicious. I

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Speaker 1: I like goat milk frozen yogurt. That's right, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna drop some some some board jois tastes here.

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Speaker 1: I like gold milk, frozen yogurt. I'll even put goat

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Speaker 1: milk in my coffee, sometimes a little tangy, but I

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Speaker 1: like it a little higher in protein than than than

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Speaker 1: cow milk, which I also drink all the time. I

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Speaker 1: almost drank almost got cash you milk this week in

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Speaker 1: the store, just to try it and and just to

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Speaker 1: see how funky it was. But then I didn't because America,

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Speaker 1: because I drink how milk and apparently goat milk too.

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Speaker 1: So that's my only exposure related. Farm ring is going

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Speaker 1: and you know, hanging out with the goats. They're fun

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Speaker 1: and there's some donkeys, and I occasionally posted photos of

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Speaker 1: this up on social media. Those who are on Instagram,

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Speaker 1: you can follow me on Instagram by the way, at

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Speaker 1: buck Sexton. If you're an Instagram person, and also on Facebook,

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01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 1: you can go to facebook dot com slash buck Sexton

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01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 1: and you know occasion you'll post photos there. The family dog,

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Speaker 1: I don't have a dog, but my my family has

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01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 1: a dog, a French bulldog named to Lula. She is

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Speaker 1: absolutely adorable and very French. One moment she loves us,

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01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 1: the next minutes she doesn't even know your name. She's

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Speaker 1: very French. But now she's a love bug. She's a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun. Um. I was talking about farms though,

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Speaker 1: and sorry, and a serious issue, I know, I just

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Speaker 1: wanted to say. And my experience of farming is mostly

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Speaker 1: like petting zoo style farms and things like that. I

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Speaker 1: don't really know much about farming, but farming is a

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Speaker 1: a big part of well farming. It plays a major

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Speaker 1: role in in the in the economy, I mean the

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Speaker 1: still we have the Department of Agriculture, and this is

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Speaker 1: an area where there's a tremendous amount of of of

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Speaker 1: capital that is exchanging hands and you get these very

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Speaker 1: expensive machines. Um, this is you know, like I said,

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Speaker 1: the harvesting machines, the tractors, and for a relatively modest

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Speaker 1: sized farm, the amount of operational funds you need just

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Speaker 1: to plant and harvest and whether it's you know, wheat

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Speaker 1: or whatever it is that you're growing wheat corn, I

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Speaker 1: mean some of the major crops, hundreds of thousands of

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Speaker 1: dollars and opera, rational funds and commodities. These commodities have

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Speaker 1: been going down in recent years, and so farmers have

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Speaker 1: been having a really tough time making money. But of

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Speaker 1: course they need to keep going. This is their livelihood,

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Speaker 1: this is this is how they are supporting their families.

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Speaker 1: And so there has been this shift from John Deer,

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Speaker 1: which is another iconic American we're talking about, and this

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Speaker 1: is Made in the USA week, Made in America week. Uh.

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Speaker 1: John Deer, which is known as a tractor company, makes

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Speaker 1: those green and yellow tractors you see all over all

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Speaker 1: over the place. They have become increasingly a financial services company.

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Speaker 1: So when you look at what's going on with the

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Speaker 1: lending um, when you look at what's going on with

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Speaker 1: John Deere specifically, it has put by the way, agriculture,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a break from John. I was looking

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Speaker 1: for this number citing agriculture, food and related industries contributed

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Speaker 1: n billion dollars to US g d P in So

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Speaker 1: that's that's considerable. The output of America's farms was a

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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty six point seven billion dollars of that sum,

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Speaker 1: So it's about one percent of overall g d P.

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Speaker 1: But so you've got these farmers who are trying to

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Speaker 1: keep the farms going, and John Deere wants to keep

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Speaker 1: selling their products, and they make world class products, and

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Speaker 1: John Deere is a great company, and so they've been

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Speaker 1: extending credit the same way that people have been offered

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Speaker 1: auto loans. And you're starting to see this, this is

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Speaker 1: their auto loan defaults are going up. And if you

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Speaker 1: notice the trend here, I'm talking to you about defaults

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01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 1: going up over extended credit, credit cycle, credit bust. There

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01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 1: are some echoes of the mortgage crisis in some of

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Speaker 1: these teams. It's not housing, it's not what we saw

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Speaker 1: back in two thousand and eight, but you or there

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Speaker 1: are some similarities and the structural economic problems are still there.

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Speaker 1: And auto loans, and there have been hundreds of billions

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Speaker 1: of dollars of auto loans put out there and that

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01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 1: are so a lot of them are subprime, meaning that

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Speaker 1: these are lenders who are very unlikely to be able

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Speaker 1: to pay back what they owe. These are people that

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Speaker 1: have bad credit that the car companies because the cost

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Speaker 1: of a new car, by the way, is something the

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Speaker 1: average cost of a new car in America right now

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01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 1: is over thirty thollars if you buy a brand new car,

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Speaker 1: which seems like a ton of money to me. That's

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Speaker 1: that seems to be a pretty shocking number. I know

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Speaker 1: that after your home, your car is usually your biggest purchase.

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Speaker 1: But you know, unless you're like getting Marco boats. Remember

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Speaker 1: market Rubio with his fishing boat that was seventy grand

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Speaker 1: and the New York Times was acting like Rubio was, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, lighting Cuban cigars with hundred dollar bills because

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Speaker 1: he had a many thousand dollar fishing boat. That was

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Speaker 1: good times Marco boats. We were counting the GDP of

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Speaker 1: foreign countries and Marco boats, right. But the truth is

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Speaker 1: that you've seen this extension of John Deere into the

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Speaker 1: credit markets and they have a lot of loans outstanding.

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Speaker 1: Wall Street journals up on this. They're writing about this.

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Speaker 1: And you know what happens if there is an even

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Speaker 1: worse turn in the commodities market, if things continue to

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Speaker 1: go down for food stuffs, If people who are running

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01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:31,679
Speaker 1: these farms all of a sudden start to default, who's

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01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 1: going to bail them out? And what's going to happen there?

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Speaker 1: And and that's that's a troubling I think a troubling

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01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:42,600
Speaker 1: sign of some other industries that also might be overextended

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Speaker 1: and over reliant on credit. I mean zero percent interest

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01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 1: rates as we have seen. Sure, it makes the it

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01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:53,879
Speaker 1: pushes home values up, and it means that big companies

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01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,600
Speaker 1: can borrow tons of money and acquire other companies. And

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01:24:57,479 --> 01:25:01,799
Speaker 1: but a lot of this is value that's being created

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01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:04,799
Speaker 1: out of thin air. A lot of this is credit based.

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01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 1: And so I know I'm talking about farms, and some

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01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 1: of you are probably farmers, but a lot of you

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01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:11,479
Speaker 1: are not. Uh It's like I said, it's one percent

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01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 1: of g d P is America's farms, but they're there

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01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 1: also there's an emotional and psychological attachment to are are

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01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 1: a grarian side in this country. But you know, some

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01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 1: farmers might be in some real trouble here because we're

1499
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 1: just getting the point where some of those loans are

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01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,559
Speaker 1: coming do and there might be defaults on it. And

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01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 1: John Deere has made is the fifth largest lender. Remember

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01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 1: it's a tractor company, it's not a financial services company.

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01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 1: Fit largest lender to America's farms, right behind Bank of America.

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01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,640
Speaker 1: So that's that's the kind of size of loans we're

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01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:49,560
Speaker 1: talking about here in Bank of America's obviously a huge bank, um.

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01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 1: But the farmers might be in trouble and that might

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01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 1: have consequences down the line for the machinery that machine

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01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 1: industry and how that's being produced and and the vehicles

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01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:05,360
Speaker 1: that are necessary to uh to harvest your crops. Uh.

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01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:09,760
Speaker 1: The auto industry is beginning to run into some real

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01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:14,639
Speaker 1: problems and issues. And that, by the way, what happens

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01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:17,680
Speaker 1: to GM when people realize that there are two there

1513
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:20,599
Speaker 1: are too many used cars on the market that are

1514
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:22,759
Speaker 1: basically as good as a new car, and the leases

1515
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 1: up on them. And by the way, they can't extend

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01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 1: more credit to people to buy more cars because they've

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01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 1: already gone after all these subprime borrowers. So uh. There

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01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:34,960
Speaker 1: there are some parts of the economy here we're talking

1519
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:36,760
Speaker 1: about Made in America week, parts of the economy that

1520
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:40,760
Speaker 1: I think could be in trouble um, and we might

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01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:44,280
Speaker 1: see some some difficulties ahead in them. Other parts of

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01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 1: it will be will be strong and continue to grow.

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01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 1: All Right, We're gonna be joined here in just a

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01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 1: second by a a VP from Walmart talking about America

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01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:54,280
Speaker 1: Made in USA let's talk about what's going on over

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01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:56,920
Speaker 1: at Walmart. We'll be back with that and more. Stay

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01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 1: with me, all right, Team Buck, welcome back. It is

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01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 1: Made in the USA Week, Made an America Week. This uh,

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01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:12,280
Speaker 1: this is a an initiative of the Trump administration, and

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01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:16,439
Speaker 1: I wanted to get both small businesses, entrepreneurs and and

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01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:20,680
Speaker 1: also some major and iconic American companies represented here on

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01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:24,360
Speaker 1: the show. And well, we've got Walmart now joining us,

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01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 1: or at least Vice president of US Manufacturing, Cindy mar

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01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:30,639
Speaker 1: Siglio from Walmart. He's gonna tell us what's going on

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01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 1: at one of the most iconic of all companies. Thank

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01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 1: you so much for joining, Cindy, Oh, thanks for having us.

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01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 1: We couldn't be more thrilled to talk about our US

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01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 1: manufacturing commitment. Yeah, please tell me about this two fifty

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01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:45,759
Speaker 1: billion dollar worth billion dollars worth of American made products

1540
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 1: by twenty three. What are you guys doing? Absolutely well. First,

1541
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 1: let me start by by saying something that I often

1542
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:55,840
Speaker 1: find myself having to sort of level set, that this

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01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 1: is a two hundred and fifty billion dollar more commitment

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01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 1: than what we were already sourcing in the US, and

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01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 1: about two thirds of what we already spend for US

1546
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 1: products are on products made grown source here in the US,

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01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:13,799
Speaker 1: So that's two fifty billion more. Now we're a large grocer,

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01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 1: of course, and so a lot of consumable products. So

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01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:19,760
Speaker 1: that's across the Walmart format, both in store and online.

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01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 1: That the impact of that over ten years time could

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01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:25,520
Speaker 1: be as many as a million new jobs across communities

1552
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:27,680
Speaker 1: we serve and and it's just a unique role that

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01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:30,240
Speaker 1: our scale here at Walmart can play. Can you get

1554
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 1: people some some background? By the way, I mean, I'm

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01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:36,559
Speaker 1: sure everybody listening has shopped at Walmart. I'm sure majority

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01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 1: of people listening probably continue to shop at Walmart. I'm

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01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 1: not even sure I wouldn't. I couldn't even get to

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01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 1: the percentage. I would assume it's very, very high. I

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01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:45,439
Speaker 1: was just at Walmart a couple of a couple of

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01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:48,800
Speaker 1: weeks ago. Um, how many how many stores do you?

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01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 1: Can you give us some sense of the scale and

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01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:53,679
Speaker 1: what are are you the You're among the biggest companies

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01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:55,600
Speaker 1: in the world. How many stores do you operate in

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01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 1: the country? Can you give people a sense of this

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01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:01,519
Speaker 1: iconic American company? How many places do you guys operate

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01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 1: and at what at what level? You know, I do

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01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 1: believe that Walmart is is, under the leadership of CM Walton,

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01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 1: a great American business success story. And today we have

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01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 1: grown to more than five thousand locations across across America,

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01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 1: and and our effort in US manufacturing is really designed

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01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 1: to create jobs in those communities UM and and give

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01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:28,639
Speaker 1: our customers what are what they want, which is really great,

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01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:33,040
Speaker 1: high quality, low cost products across our stores and clubs

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01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 1: and every state. What are some products, by the way,

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01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:38,160
Speaker 1: that people might think of and or people are are

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01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:40,720
Speaker 1: very familiar with that you're selling in the stores that

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01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:42,640
Speaker 1: are doing well, that that are made in America. I

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01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:45,000
Speaker 1: mean it is made in America week with the White House,

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01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:47,960
Speaker 1: and we're trying to highlight what's done here at home.

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01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 1: What are some of the brands or some of the

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01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 1: companies you're working with h to sell their products in

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01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 1: stores that are made in America. You know, we are

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01:29:56,479 --> 01:30:00,080
Speaker 1: focused on growing with all of our suppliers. We are

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01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:03,639
Speaker 1: currently doing business with UM companies that sell some great

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01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:09,680
Speaker 1: seasonal items in store today like Coleman coolers or Lifetime Kayaks.

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01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:13,400
Speaker 1: There's just a cross categories companies that have been long

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01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 1: term partners of ours that are using our scale and

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01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:20,360
Speaker 1: leveraging our commitment to expand their footprint and reshore more

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01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:23,160
Speaker 1: of that product for Walmart. In addition to that, we're

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01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 1: always looking for great new US suppliers. We just held

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01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:30,240
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago here in Bentonville, an open

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01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 1: call where we hosted more than five hundred companies pitching

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01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 1: their US made items to our buyers. We found hundreds

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01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 1: of great items that way, and we're anxious to get

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01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:43,400
Speaker 1: those up on our virtual shelf at Walmart dot Com

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01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 1: as well as in our store. So we're seeing growth

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01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:49,600
Speaker 1: and momentum across categories and and I just couldn't be

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01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:51,640
Speaker 1: more thrilled with the progress that we've had over the

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01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:55,559
Speaker 1: last several years. We're speaking to Cindi Marsiglio, she is

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Speaker 1: Walmart's vice president of US Manufacturing uh Sin d. One

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01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 1: of the issues this week, and one of the reasons

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01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 1: why there's a an attempt to raise awareness about made

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01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 1: in American products and the companies here here at home

1604
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:13,600
Speaker 1: has to do with foreign competition. And you're clearly in

1605
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:16,680
Speaker 1: contact with a lot of different American companies. What are

1606
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:20,360
Speaker 1: the challenges when they speak about competing in a global marketplace.

1607
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 1: What are the challenges that they're bringing to your attention

1608
01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:25,320
Speaker 1: and what are the ways that Walmart works with them

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01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 1: so that UH US manufacturing continues to thrive. They continuously

1610
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 1: across the diverse supply chain that we have tell us

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01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:39,960
Speaker 1: commonly they have challenges amongst already workforce, they have challenges

1612
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:44,840
Speaker 1: UM navigating the complexities of site selection comparing states. It's

1613
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:49,479
Speaker 1: a highly diffuse UM process to actually UH start a

1614
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:52,760
Speaker 1: new factory in the US. By and large, they are

1615
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:57,479
Speaker 1: looking to diversify their global supply chain. We want our

1616
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:01,240
Speaker 1: suppliers to produce products close us to our customers. There

1617
01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:04,800
Speaker 1: are great business advantages to that shortened supply chain. We

1618
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 1: can keep products on the shelf and reduce risk and cost.

1619
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:11,120
Speaker 1: And by the way, our customers tell us they want

1620
01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:14,280
Speaker 1: more US made product. In fact, seven and ten of

1621
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:17,519
Speaker 1: our customers tell us it's important, and that's a trend.

1622
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:20,439
Speaker 1: We don't see a diminishing at all. So we want

1623
01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:23,080
Speaker 1: to create those jobs in the communities where we have

1624
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:26,560
Speaker 1: stores and and a digital presence, give our customers the

1625
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:30,280
Speaker 1: great quality US made product that they want, and reap

1626
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:33,200
Speaker 1: all the business rewards. So that's a very sustainable proposition

1627
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:36,680
Speaker 1: for us and our suppliers have just been tremendous. They

1628
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:39,200
Speaker 1: are They are truly the job creators and the risk

1629
01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:42,599
Speaker 1: takers in this, and there's great momentum across the consumer

1630
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:45,439
Speaker 1: goods categories we sell at Lamart. Send me one more

1631
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:49,200
Speaker 1: for you people. Sometimes I think this is just fed

1632
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:52,680
Speaker 1: to us on on both sides of the aisle, politicians,

1633
01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 1: the media. There's a narrative out there that we don't

1634
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:57,640
Speaker 1: really make stuff in this country the way we used to,

1635
01:32:57,800 --> 01:33:00,439
Speaker 1: or some people even say kind of flipping, we don't

1636
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:03,160
Speaker 1: make stuff anymore. That's really not the case at all,

1637
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 1: is it America's I mean, you're selling it. America is

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01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:09,240
Speaker 1: making a lot of stuff. Absolutely. We want to make

1639
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 1: it easier for the customer to find those products that

1640
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:14,800
Speaker 1: are made or grown here. And like I said, two

1641
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:18,599
Speaker 1: thirds is already um from the US. There's certainly room

1642
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:20,840
Speaker 1: to do more. None of us have all the right

1643
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:24,840
Speaker 1: answers alone. So it's truly about public private partnership, and

1644
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:28,720
Speaker 1: I think there's a tremendous opportunity to play an accelerator

1645
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 1: role in terms of the unique scale to Walmart. We're

1646
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:34,559
Speaker 1: we're all in. We think there's a lot made here.

1647
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:36,800
Speaker 1: We think there's a lot of growth that we can

1648
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:39,439
Speaker 1: make it go a little faster and be a great partner.

1649
01:33:39,439 --> 01:33:41,040
Speaker 1: And that's what we've been working on for for the

1650
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:44,720
Speaker 1: last several years. Cindy more Siglio, Walmart's vice president of

1651
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:47,800
Speaker 1: US manufacturing. Really appreciate your time, Cindy, thank you so

1652
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:50,200
Speaker 1: much for joining us. Hey, thanks for having a shop

1653
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:53,799
Speaker 1: at Walmart. Absolutely, I don't think she has to tell

1654
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:56,839
Speaker 1: everybody that. I mean, everybody I know is is it Walmart.

1655
01:33:56,840 --> 01:34:00,679
Speaker 1: I'm actually in the process of of trying to move

1656
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 1: here in New York City, and I was talking to, uh,

1657
01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:06,679
Speaker 1: you know, talking to some folks about and there's just like, well,

1658
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:08,760
Speaker 1: you know, you can go to Walmart and get get

1659
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:10,840
Speaker 1: so much different stuff that you for the move. I'm like,

1660
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 1: I know, I know you can. And as if if

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01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:15,360
Speaker 1: I'm too lazy to even By the way, this is

1662
01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:17,400
Speaker 1: certainly a Walmart commercial I'm doing here. I'm just saying

1663
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:20,759
Speaker 1: it's it's everywhere, um, and obviously you can go online

1664
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:24,720
Speaker 1: as well. I mean, I wonder how some of these partnerships,

1665
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:26,639
Speaker 1: you know, right now, you see what's going on with

1666
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 1: Amazon acquiring Whole Foods, which I know some of you

1667
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:31,960
Speaker 1: like the foods so is that's where is That's where

1668
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 1: you go and buy your your guy, I can sustainable

1669
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:40,600
Speaker 1: soy macha lattes and the answers well one, yes, that

1670
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:43,320
Speaker 1: is where I got to buy my organic sustainable soy macht.

1671
01:34:44,240 --> 01:34:48,720
Speaker 1: But also it's acquisition by Amazon is likely, I think

1672
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:53,280
Speaker 1: to make it a stronger company because the organic food

1673
01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:56,320
Speaker 1: space has gotten much more crowded. People really like it.

1674
01:34:56,520 --> 01:34:59,040
Speaker 1: I'm actually a little if he or than some other

1675
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:02,479
Speaker 1: folks on the important of of organic food. I've I've

1676
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:05,440
Speaker 1: read a fair amount about it. As as a culiac,

1677
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:09,920
Speaker 1: you get a tune to what the offerings are, you know,

1678
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:12,559
Speaker 1: in the in the market place for a whole bunch

1679
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:15,519
Speaker 1: of different uh, in a whole bunch of different ways

1680
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:17,280
Speaker 1: right what where there's gluten. But also then you start

1681
01:35:17,320 --> 01:35:19,679
Speaker 1: reading about GMOs, you start reading a lot of stuff.

1682
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:23,040
Speaker 1: But I think that it might make it might make

1683
01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:27,439
Speaker 1: everything a little bit, just a little bit better for

1684
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:29,519
Speaker 1: whole foods that it's been acquired this way, I mean

1685
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:32,920
Speaker 1: the digital partnering with major digital entities is I think

1686
01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:34,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make some of these companies stronger, but it

1687
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:38,559
Speaker 1: will be disruptions anyway, Walmart, I wanted to It's made

1688
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:41,639
Speaker 1: in America week and Walmart is definitely an American company.

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01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:44,599
Speaker 1: Of my friends. Um, we are going to talk about

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Speaker 1: Betsy Devas's recent initiative and more in just a few minutes.

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Speaker 1: Stay with me. Buck is back, everybody Bucks back. It's

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Speaker 1: more of America out throwing your two cents one eight

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Speaker 1: four four nine Buck. That's one eight four four to

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Speaker 1: eight to five. It was just last week that Education

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Speaker 1: Secretary Betsy Divos held some meetings with different groups that

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Speaker 1: wanted to weigh in on the issue of campus sexual

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Speaker 1: assault and the federal government's role in trying to regulate

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Speaker 1: and prevent campus sexual assault under Title nine, by the way,

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Speaker 1: which prohibits discrimination by sex in higher education, and they're

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Speaker 1: looking at specifically federal guidance to universities and colleges on

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Speaker 1: how to deal with sexual assault. Now, this really isn't

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Speaker 1: an issue for the federal government. This is an issue

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01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:59,320
Speaker 1: for states and uh state and local criminal jurisdictions, because

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Speaker 1: that's what a sexual assault is. It is It is

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Speaker 1: a crime. It is not a a campus Code of

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01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:10,120
Speaker 1: conduct violation, although I guess you could say it's it's

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01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:14,880
Speaker 1: that as well, but this is where the left runs

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01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:19,840
Speaker 1: into incoherence, and they are pushing back very hard on

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Speaker 1: this issue because they feel like they have been fighting

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Speaker 1: this battle to create an environment that is honestly hostile

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Speaker 1: towards procedural rights for men accused of sexual misconduct on

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Speaker 1: college campuses. They've been fighting for this for a long time.

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Speaker 1: Under the Obama administration, they got it, and now under

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration, they're just asking some questions about this.

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Speaker 1: So this is this is where what it all comes

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Speaker 1: down to. President Obama and his Department of Education UH

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01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:57,400
Speaker 1: decided that the the standard of evidence should not be

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Speaker 1: quote clear and convincing. What should go to a preponderance

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01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:06,280
Speaker 1: of the evidence standard when judging sexual assault sexual misconduct

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Speaker 1: on college campuses. Now, these are for campus disciplinary proceedings,

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01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:13,600
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with the criminal Code, but the

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Speaker 1: Obama administration under Title nine, threatened schools to comply with

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Speaker 1: these procedures or else you could be sued under under

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Speaker 1: Title nine. And so you have a situation where colleges

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01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:31,559
Speaker 1: are getting pressure from the federal government to set up

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Speaker 1: tribunals for our disciplinary proceedings for men who accuse of

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Speaker 1: sexual assault or sexual misconduct. Now, a few key things here.

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Speaker 1: First of all, sexual assault does not mean rape. Sexual

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01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:46,920
Speaker 1: assault in the context that's used in these discussions can

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Speaker 1: be a whole range of activity, and on some campuses

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01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:55,559
Speaker 1: they will even refer to any unwanted touching and in

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01:38:55,600 --> 01:39:00,519
Speaker 1: some cases even lewd and aggressive sexual comments as a

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01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:03,959
Speaker 1: form of sexual assault. So there's a lot of blurring

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Speaker 1: of the lines here as to what would legally be

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01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:09,200
Speaker 1: considered sexual assault and what is in fact just uh

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01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:13,240
Speaker 1: acting like well, acting like a jerk, I mean, you know,

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01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:18,880
Speaker 1: luid commentary is not an assault. But the Obama administration,

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01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:21,960
Speaker 1: because of the politics behind this, and because of the

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01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:29,280
Speaker 1: feminist uh currents in which the Democrat Party finds itself

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01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:36,320
Speaker 1: right now, they push for this, and it leads to editorials, um,

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Speaker 1: like this one that I just saw in the Washington

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01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:43,360
Speaker 1: Post a couple of days ago, where the argument offered up.

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Speaker 1: This is from the president of Brooklyn College in favor

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01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:52,040
Speaker 1: of the Obama era campus sexual assault guidelines, which the

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01:39:52,160 --> 01:39:57,960
Speaker 1: current Education Secretary, Betsy Devas is not even necessarily overturning.

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01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:01,000
Speaker 1: She's just meeting. She just held meetings last week with

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Speaker 1: different groups to hear out their views on this, including

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01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:09,560
Speaker 1: some men's rights groups, which are just mocked and derided

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01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:12,160
Speaker 1: by the left and some on the right as well.

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01:40:12,479 --> 01:40:15,920
Speaker 1: But anybody who has spent any time in family court

1751
01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:20,200
Speaker 1: knows anything about how paternity cases go, how child custody

1752
01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:24,680
Speaker 1: cases go, know that there are in fact male specific

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01:40:25,160 --> 01:40:27,920
Speaker 1: justice problems, that this is a real thing and it

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01:40:27,960 --> 01:40:30,479
Speaker 1: shouldn't be. I mean, it's mocked out of ignorance because

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01:40:30,520 --> 01:40:33,120
Speaker 1: anyone who really knows how the system functions and works

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01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:36,640
Speaker 1: knows that there are in fact problems. And on sexual

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Speaker 1: uh sexual assault tribunals on college campuses, there is clearly

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01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:47,240
Speaker 1: a an onus there. There's clearly an additional burden put

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01:40:47,240 --> 01:40:51,479
Speaker 1: on male students who are accused of sexual misconduct as

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01:40:51,479 --> 01:40:54,000
Speaker 1: a result of the pressure from the federal government to

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01:40:54,160 --> 01:40:57,600
Speaker 1: crack down on what is a hysteria that is not

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Speaker 1: found in the numbers. Yes, there are sexual assaults on campus.

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01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:03,720
Speaker 1: Yes they're a rapists on college campuses and universities. They

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01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:06,920
Speaker 1: should go to prison. But one in five women is

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01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:09,840
Speaker 1: not raped on college campuses. And that's a statistic that

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01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:12,559
Speaker 1: people keep repeating, and it's just a lie. It's just

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01:41:12,680 --> 01:41:16,599
Speaker 1: not true. And whenever someone has to exaggerate the scale

1768
01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:19,919
Speaker 1: of a problem in order to get their desire remedy,

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01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:24,880
Speaker 1: we should start asking some very tough questions about what

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01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:28,400
Speaker 1: the real motivations are here. But as I mentioned, this

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01:41:28,479 --> 01:41:31,720
Speaker 1: piece from Michelle Anderson, the president of Brooklyn College, and

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01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:35,719
Speaker 1: this was published in the Washington Post, and she writes

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Speaker 1: the following um. Opponents of the title nines application to

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01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:45,719
Speaker 1: campus sexual assault argue that campus disciplinary tribunals are kangaroo courts,

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01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:50,280
Speaker 1: ill equipped to adjudicate sexual misconduct. But since the early

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01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:55,439
Speaker 1: part of the nineteenth century, educational institutions have used campus

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01:41:55,479 --> 01:41:59,800
Speaker 1: distumary disciplinary tribunals to adjudicate all kinds of miss misconduct,

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Speaker 1: from from plagiarism to rioting. Uh. Okay, First of all,

1779
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:11,519
Speaker 1: plagiarism is a specifically academic in fraction. Okay, it's that.

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01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:14,040
Speaker 1: That's just that's not a crime. You don't go to prison.

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01:42:14,439 --> 01:42:18,960
Speaker 1: No one's in jail because they stole their organic chemistry

1782
01:42:19,880 --> 01:42:23,160
Speaker 1: homework from somebody else, Nor should they be so to

1783
01:42:23,240 --> 01:42:26,599
Speaker 1: put that in here. It's just it's just nonsensical. And

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01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:31,719
Speaker 1: in terms of criminal activity that the campus punishes, well,

1785
01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:35,959
Speaker 1: certainly a student should have the benefit of the criminal

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01:42:36,040 --> 01:42:38,639
Speaker 1: justice system to determine whether or not they are guilty

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01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:41,679
Speaker 1: of that crime before they are punished for an actual

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01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:46,240
Speaker 1: crime like rioting. But it also ignores, very conveniently, this

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Speaker 1: analysis you see from this president of Brooklyn College. It

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Speaker 1: ignores that rape is a particularly politicized in the current environment. Yes,

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01:42:56,560 --> 01:42:59,920
Speaker 1: it is true, there's a campus rape frenzy underwear. The

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01:43:00,040 --> 01:43:03,280
Speaker 1: Democrats are pushing this. They view it as a means

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Speaker 1: of appealing to a a feminist constituency and to position

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Speaker 1: themselves as the defenders of women's rights. Uh, this is

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01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:16,960
Speaker 1: just We've had an author on on the show dealing

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01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:21,559
Speaker 1: specifically with this. Uh. It is true, unfortunately, that sexual

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01:43:21,560 --> 01:43:30,080
Speaker 1: assault is disproportionately a crime that is comparatively to other crimes. Uh,

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01:43:30,120 --> 01:43:33,400
Speaker 1: it is there are false accusations made. H It is

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Speaker 1: estimated by credible studies that about one in ten sexual

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Speaker 1: assault or or or rape accusations are unjustified false claims.

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01:43:44,240 --> 01:43:47,240
Speaker 1: Ten percent high everybody. But that's what that's what credible

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01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:51,599
Speaker 1: reporting on this suggests, um And so to ignore that

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01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:57,920
Speaker 1: is to condemn innocence to possibly prison sentences, as well

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01:43:57,960 --> 01:44:03,679
Speaker 1: as the destruction of the reputation and lives. Now that

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01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:06,080
Speaker 1: is just left out of the analysis. Of this from

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01:44:06,120 --> 01:44:11,200
Speaker 1: the Left that rape is is a specifically UH is

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01:44:11,240 --> 01:44:15,720
Speaker 1: a often very difficult to determine UH the facts of

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01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:21,360
Speaker 1: the case. There's off there often circumstances that become complex,

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01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:26,880
Speaker 1: levels of alcohol involved, other extenuating circumstances, and some of

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01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:31,320
Speaker 1: the most prevalent cases or I'm sorry, some of those

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01:44:31,320 --> 01:44:36,080
Speaker 1: prominent cases of sexual assault that have been raised by

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Speaker 1: the Democrats, whether it's the uv A gang rape that

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01:44:39,680 --> 01:44:42,320
Speaker 1: did not happen, the Duke Lacrosse gang rape that did

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01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:46,240
Speaker 1: not happen, or Mattress girl whose case was not taken

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01:44:46,240 --> 01:44:49,280
Speaker 1: seriously by the NYPD, and who if you learn about

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01:44:49,320 --> 01:44:53,400
Speaker 1: that story despite the fact that she was invited by

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01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:55,400
Speaker 1: a senator from the state of New York to come

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01:44:55,439 --> 01:44:58,639
Speaker 1: to the State of the Union address UH that her

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01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:01,920
Speaker 1: case and and a credible, honest person that reads the

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01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:05,160
Speaker 1: backstory there would say, you would not be writing to

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01:45:05,240 --> 01:45:07,600
Speaker 1: your accused rapists the things that she was writing to

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01:45:07,720 --> 01:45:12,040
Speaker 1: them after the incident in question happened. So they've chosen

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01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:15,760
Speaker 1: some very high profile cases that are UH well in

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01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:19,960
Speaker 1: some outright hoaxes in uv A and UM and in

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01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:25,839
Speaker 1: the case of Duclacrosse case, and also with mattress quote

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01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:30,360
Speaker 1: mattress girl. So it's fair to ask some questions about

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01:45:30,360 --> 01:45:35,400
Speaker 1: why they keep bringing these cases up for public consideration

1828
01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:39,280
Speaker 1: that are such weak cases. Um, why they do this

1829
01:45:39,320 --> 01:45:42,200
Speaker 1: because I think they're trying to create a narrative and

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01:45:42,240 --> 01:45:44,320
Speaker 1: they're trying to get the political leeway to do exactly

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01:45:44,360 --> 01:45:47,680
Speaker 1: what they've done, which is to tilt the system on

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01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:52,360
Speaker 1: campus against male students. But back to this editorial, so

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01:45:52,400 --> 01:45:55,320
Speaker 1: she for she says that they adjudicate misconduct including plagiarism

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01:45:55,320 --> 01:45:59,640
Speaker 1: and writing, uh, sexual assault, rape is different for all

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01:45:59,680 --> 01:46:02,679
Speaker 1: the reason that I'm laying out, and then she goes

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Speaker 1: on Finally, Opponents of Title nine argue that criminal courts

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01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:09,880
Speaker 1: are just better equipped than campuses, so victims should report

1838
01:46:09,880 --> 01:46:13,200
Speaker 1: their rapes to the police instead. But most allegations of

1839
01:46:13,240 --> 01:46:17,439
Speaker 1: campus sexual assault aren't reported to the police. Sexual offenses

1840
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:20,480
Speaker 1: rank among the least reported of serious crimes, and once reported,

1841
01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:26,479
Speaker 1: they're frequently not prosecuted. Well, if they're not being reported,

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01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:30,320
Speaker 1: they should be reported. The answer to a serious crime

1843
01:46:30,439 --> 01:46:32,679
Speaker 1: is not being reported to the police, or serious crimes

1844
01:46:32,680 --> 01:46:36,479
Speaker 1: are not being reported the police. Enough is not to

1845
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:39,840
Speaker 1: uh put it in the hands of college campuses. I

1846
01:46:39,840 --> 01:46:44,280
Speaker 1: mean this is just nonsense and it's dangerous and lives

1847
01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:46,040
Speaker 1: are ruined as a result of this. We've seen this.

1848
01:46:46,120 --> 01:46:49,160
Speaker 1: I've been naming off the top of my head major

1849
01:46:49,240 --> 01:46:53,320
Speaker 1: cases that receive national attention that were rape hoaxes and

1850
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:56,240
Speaker 1: on college campuses. You read about some of the stories

1851
01:46:56,280 --> 01:47:00,479
Speaker 1: that UH in recent years under the Obama administration have

1852
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:03,519
Speaker 1: gotten some attention, including up my own college. Amber's College

1853
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:06,759
Speaker 1: is a very well known case. UM that the students

1854
01:47:06,800 --> 01:47:11,919
Speaker 1: is suing the school. UH, people's lives are ruined. Innocent

1855
01:47:11,960 --> 01:47:18,200
Speaker 1: people should not be destroyed. Because there is a political

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01:47:18,280 --> 01:47:22,120
Speaker 1: proclivity among Democrats to make it seem like they're particularly

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01:47:22,160 --> 01:47:26,000
Speaker 1: tough on sexual assault, that they're the true feminists. UH,

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01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:29,520
Speaker 1: that should not be an excuse to erode due process,

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01:47:30,160 --> 01:47:33,600
Speaker 1: to erode the rights of the accused. And that's exactly

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01:47:33,640 --> 01:47:36,960
Speaker 1: what it is. And that you have senior administrators of

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01:47:37,080 --> 01:47:41,000
Speaker 1: colleges that defend this stuff just goes to show you

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01:47:41,400 --> 01:47:43,880
Speaker 1: that they feel like, you know, if it means that

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01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:47,360
Speaker 1: a few men on my campus have their lives and

1864
01:47:47,479 --> 01:47:51,160
Speaker 1: reputations ruined, their families shattered from false accusations, maybe it

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01:47:51,200 --> 01:47:54,519
Speaker 1: will stop some other rapes from happening. And so I

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01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:57,360
Speaker 1: guess that's just the price we will pay here. That's

1867
01:47:57,360 --> 01:48:01,519
Speaker 1: really the attitude, as Recline of explicitly said as much.

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01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:05,559
Speaker 1: By the way, so this is something that does deserve

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01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:09,800
Speaker 1: a real hearing, a fair hearing, and the standard that

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01:48:09,880 --> 01:48:11,880
Speaker 1: was in place before that was changed by the Obama

1871
01:48:11,880 --> 01:48:16,400
Speaker 1: administration seems much more in line with what the reality

1872
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:18,320
Speaker 1: should be, which is that there should be clear and

1873
01:48:18,360 --> 01:48:23,200
Speaker 1: convincing evidence before a campus is taking any action here,

1874
01:48:23,680 --> 01:48:26,759
Speaker 1: because even if you are proven innocent in a court,

1875
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:30,439
Speaker 1: now what happens if a campus decides that they're going

1876
01:48:30,479 --> 01:48:33,400
Speaker 1: to brand you a rapist. Maybe you don't go to prison,

1877
01:48:33,640 --> 01:48:35,880
Speaker 1: but your life, your life is ruined just the same,

1878
01:48:36,439 --> 01:48:39,320
Speaker 1: and you may be completely innocent. So you know, this

1879
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:41,160
Speaker 1: is an issue. I know it's heated, I know there's

1880
01:48:41,200 --> 01:48:44,880
Speaker 1: a lot of emotions. Rape is a horrible crime, but

1881
01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:50,920
Speaker 1: it really doesn't do anyone any service to allow the

1882
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:55,840
Speaker 1: innocent to be presumed guilty. And it also I think

1883
01:48:55,920 --> 01:49:01,839
Speaker 1: makes the public h question more legitgitimate sexual assault claims

1884
01:49:01,880 --> 01:49:05,000
Speaker 1: that come to light when they realize that there are

1885
01:49:05,080 --> 01:49:10,760
Speaker 1: all of these systemic decisions, systematic decisions put in place

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01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:14,800
Speaker 1: by the government to tilt the scale against the accused,

1887
01:49:14,840 --> 01:49:16,960
Speaker 1: and that is what is happening here. So Betsy Devas

1888
01:49:17,080 --> 01:49:20,160
Speaker 1: is right to hear out what's going on here. And

1889
01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:24,120
Speaker 1: the left mocking and deriving those who have questions about

1890
01:49:24,160 --> 01:49:26,840
Speaker 1: campus due process when it comes to sexual assault, it

1891
01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:30,680
Speaker 1: just shows that they are interested in politics, not injustice.

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01:49:31,439 --> 01:49:39,040
Speaker 1: We'll be back in a few stay with you. I

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01:49:39,120 --> 01:49:41,880
Speaker 1: know this week for the White House is made in

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01:49:41,960 --> 01:49:45,439
Speaker 1: the USA week, and there will be some other themed

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01:49:45,479 --> 01:49:48,760
Speaker 1: weeks out there from the Trump White House. But you know,

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01:49:49,320 --> 01:49:54,080
Speaker 1: next week, not politically speaking, but just in general, is

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01:49:54,280 --> 01:49:58,080
Speaker 1: Shark Week. And I find sharks fascinating. I know a

1898
01:49:58,080 --> 01:50:02,120
Speaker 1: lot of us do. Uh. They have had so much

1899
01:50:02,160 --> 01:50:05,600
Speaker 1: great footage in recent years, and Shark Week is is

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Speaker 1: nothing new. It's been around for quite a while. Um,

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Speaker 1: they've had all kinds of crazy stuff though, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you've seen, and if you haven't, you gotta go check

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Speaker 1: it out right when the show ends. Here great whites

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Speaker 1: that breach when they attack or when they're hunting an

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Speaker 1: engaged in predation against seals and they come flying out

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Speaker 1: of the water off the coast of South Africa. It's incredible.

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Speaker 1: And great white sharks are obviously a particular particularly fascinating

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Speaker 1: species car carradin carcareous for those of you who like

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Speaker 1: to go with the Latin. And so to that end,

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Speaker 1: there is a stunt. It is definitely a stunt that's

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Speaker 1: being set up for next week where the world's greatest swimmer,

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Speaker 1: Michael Phelps, will be in a time trial against a

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Speaker 1: great white shark. Now they're giving Phelps, so it's a race.

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Speaker 1: It's a swimming race between a b ad super olympiad

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Speaker 1: Michael Phelps in a great white shark. Clearly they're not

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Speaker 1: gonna put them in the same pool at the same

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Speaker 1: time or anything, so this is gonna be a time trial. Um.

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Speaker 1: I also wonder how they're going to encourage the great

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Speaker 1: white to go to its top speed. I guess they're gonna, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, dangle a fish that's flopping around at one

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Speaker 1: end and make sure the sharks really hungry. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: you can't really train a shark. Their brains are too small,

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Speaker 1: as I understand it, except for in that movie Deep

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Speaker 1: Blue Sea where their brains get super acute and uh,

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Speaker 1: super powerful. So back to I'm back to the swimming race. Here.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have a showdown between a Great White and

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Speaker 1: Michael Phelps. Uh spoiler alert. I think the Great White,

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Speaker 1: if it chooses to swim and its top speed, will

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Speaker 1: win because a Great White shark goes close to twenty

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Speaker 1: miles an hour in the water, and even our greatest

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Speaker 1: Olympic swimmer, who will have an additional fin to help

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Speaker 1: him cut through the water, probably hits about five or

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Speaker 1: six miles an hour in the water. So that's just

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Speaker 1: a reminder of those of you who are like, if

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Speaker 1: you're ever in trouble, there's a shark that's coming after you.

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Speaker 1: Just swam real fast. No, the shark's gonna The shark's

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Speaker 1: gonna get you if it wants to um. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I actually, over the fourth of July weekend, I met

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Speaker 1: somebody from Mattawan Creek, New Jersey, which some of you

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Speaker 1: might be thinking yourself right away. Oh, Mattawan Creek. Of course,

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Speaker 1: that's where the inspiration, it's believed for the movie Jaws

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Speaker 1: came from, because back in nineteen there were a series

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Speaker 1: of shark attacks there that that killed one and uh

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Speaker 1: an injury. Oh sorry, four people were killed rather and

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Speaker 1: another one was injured. So you had a series of

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Speaker 1: fatal shark attacks right off the Jersey shore. In fact,

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Speaker 1: Mattawan Creek is brackish. It is water that it's a

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Speaker 1: little well. It's a creek that connects out to the ocean,

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Speaker 1: and if you ever see photos of it, it's pretty

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Speaker 1: narrow and it looks like, you know, the biggest stuff

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Speaker 1: you'd find in there might be some some carp or something.

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Speaker 1: And in fact, a bull shark, it's believe, got in

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Speaker 1: there and attacked for people, and it caused something of

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Speaker 1: a sensation back in nineteen sixteen. And while Jaws takes

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Speaker 1: place in Amity, there is no Amity. There's Amityville in

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Speaker 1: Long Island, and it was shot in part on Martha's vineer.

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Speaker 1: By the way, the movie Jaws, I've been to some

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Speaker 1: of the set pieces from it, um But anyway, that's

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Speaker 1: the most famous story of a great white Jaws based

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Speaker 1: on Mattawan Creek, New Jersey, nineteen sixteen, or at least

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Speaker 1: the closest thing to what Jaws is all about. Michael

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Speaker 1: Phelps we swinging again, swimming against a great white. Doubt

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Speaker 1: he will win. But Shark Week is next week, So

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Speaker 1: those of you like me get excited about this, get excited.

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