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Speaker 1: special episode of All the Smoke with the legendary the
Speaker 1: one and only God Shamn God. Welcome to the show,
Speaker 1: broke Man, Thank you. Man's a pleasure being on the show.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll watch you all the time. You know,
Speaker 1: y'all y'all kicked that rail, so it's definitely a pleasure. Man.
Speaker 1: We appreciate having you. So, what's going on right now?
Speaker 1: How is life treating you? Guys? Just came on off
Speaker 1: a nice run last season? How is the off season
Speaker 1: been treating you so far? But it's been good. You know,
Speaker 1: we've just been doing draft workhouse and had free agency
Speaker 1: camp and you know we just um drafted and signing
Speaker 1: player you know jay a Hardy, so you know, just
Speaker 1: talking to him and his pops, you know, chopping it
Speaker 1: up with his team and just getting to know him
Speaker 1: and getting ready for some of the league. That's what
Speaker 1: we're doing right now. This may be above your pay grade,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna ask anyway, y'all gonna be able to
Speaker 1: keep Jalen Brunson. He had a big year last year. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's hit the market and that money is going up obviously.
Speaker 1: You know how important he is to your guys team. Uh,
Speaker 1: can you give us any insight on you know, uh,
Speaker 1: possibilities of him possibly staying with you guys man, The
Speaker 1: only thing I just say is I hope he stayed
Speaker 1: with us. You know what I'm saying, you home grown?
Speaker 1: You know JB is an amazing player with us, for
Speaker 1: anybody would be an amazing player. He's you know, he worked,
Speaker 1: He worked his tail off, you know, so nothing wasn't
Speaker 1: given to him, you know, has everybody know you know,
Speaker 1: he was drafted in the second round, had to be
Speaker 1: in called, you know, Big East Player of the Year,
Speaker 1: so you know you could tell the talent speaks for itself,
Speaker 1: and you know he worked his tail off and you know,
Speaker 1: he was very important for us, and you know, hopefully
Speaker 1: he's still be that. You know, in a few tip
Speaker 1: You've been player development in Dallas for the last six years.
Speaker 1: Tell us how that position came about for you. Well,
Speaker 1: it came about. I was at Providence College and I
Speaker 1: was working out for people I know, Bryce Cott and
Speaker 1: Chris Dunn. Chris Dunn was the number five pick in
Speaker 1: the draft, the biggest player of the year, and you
Speaker 1: know a lot of people just start seeing and hearing
Speaker 1: about me working other players out. You know, whether it
Speaker 1: was doing stuff with Ben Gordon, you know, Dennis Smith Jr.
Speaker 1: Whether it was being like kind of a co mentor
Speaker 1: for like Trade Young, you know, talking to his parents
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And you know a lot of
Speaker 1: people just just reach out to me, like all over
Speaker 1: the like, all over the world just because of dribbling.
Speaker 1: And so I started went back to Providence to get
Speaker 1: my degree to finish body by now, I left school early,
Speaker 1: and you know, I just took on life. Just zon
Speaker 1: Mike Procopio. Shout out to Mike Procopio. You know, he
Speaker 1: was playing development at Dallas, you know before I got there,
Speaker 1: and him and Michael Finley brought me in and kind
Speaker 1: of about me. And I ready knew Mark from working
Speaker 1: out for Doubts like years ago, and you know, they
Speaker 1: bring me in for a workout the first they came
Speaker 1: to Providence to watching me work out. Ricky Leedo, Ricky
Speaker 1: Leedo has sat out. You know, his his freshman year
Speaker 1: had problems, but he still got drafted. And you know,
Speaker 1: everybody kept saying, man, you should, you know, you should
Speaker 1: be playing development for the NBA, for the NBA because
Speaker 1: you know you do. Some of guys like that was
Speaker 1: deeper different people. You know, once I came, you know,
Speaker 1: my first year, you know, we drifted Denn Smith Jr.
Speaker 1: You know, I was working on HB a lot, have
Speaker 1: some Bodus what's the matthreew step Curry and everybody saw
Speaker 1: their development and then you know, after that, it's just
Speaker 1: was kind of like solidified. It was more than you know,
Speaker 1: because I think when people first thought about it, thought
Speaker 1: I was just there to teach people how to dribble,
Speaker 1: you know, and they don't understand, you know, it's not
Speaker 1: really it is dribbling, but it's not really such things
Speaker 1: to driveling coach, because you know, even if you teach drilling,
Speaker 1: you gotta teach how to make layups. You gotta teach
Speaker 1: how to come out of it. So in the actuality
Speaker 1: you're doing and the whole players development ain't just guards.
Speaker 1: And then when people start seeing like I could teach
Speaker 1: big Man and stuff like that, and it goes back
Speaker 1: from years when you know, when I used to work
Speaker 1: with Kobe and different players and Chris Webber, Kevin Garden
Speaker 1: that you know July, you know he was in the
Speaker 1: McDonald's an American game with me, and you know how
Speaker 1: many like whether it was him, brothers, KG was all
Speaker 1: the big actively showed a lot of dribble. It ain't
Speaker 1: just me, Yeah, it ain't. It ain't just me like
Speaker 1: showing point guards how to dribble. And that's what people
Speaker 1: don't understand because you know, it ain't just about dribbling.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not about just doing a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of fancy moves and things like that. It's about teaching
Speaker 1: people get to the spaces they want to get and playing,
Speaker 1: you know, comfortable and uncomfortable situations. Quick questions someone who
Speaker 1: was so obviously how they decorated in high school, in college,
Speaker 1: you know, you had a quick stint in the league
Speaker 1: played overseas for a little while. When did it hit
Speaker 1: you that, like you just said, you kind of it
Speaker 1: was natural. You've always kind of been a teacher even
Speaker 1: while you were a player. When did you kind of
Speaker 1: just really buy into Okay, I love basketball to death. Obviously,
Speaker 1: all the court is not necessarily where I wanted it
Speaker 1: to be. But I see I can make a whole
Speaker 1: new living teaching people. And I've been teaching people in
Speaker 1: my whole life. So when did you kind of buy
Speaker 1: into that mindset that, Okay, as much as I love
Speaker 1: the game and want to play, me teaching the game
Speaker 1: is what's gonna take me to that next level. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I would say, you know, like you said, obvious,
Speaker 1: you know you wish you you know it would be
Speaker 1: you know, hall of fame, playing the NBA for about
Speaker 1: a bunch of years and things like that. I would say,
Speaker 1: I had just got m v P in China and
Speaker 1: then like I got my niece scope. So I went
Speaker 1: back to Providence to rehab. Sean Brooks was there. This
Speaker 1: is like what Shaun's Brooks like sophomore year and I
Speaker 1: was rehabbing and they was acting me like, you know,
Speaker 1: can you talk to him? That's like, yo, he's a
Speaker 1: good player. You know, he's on the verge of something,
Speaker 1: but you know he's got a lot of stuff going on.
Speaker 1: And it was like can you help him? And I
Speaker 1: was like I was like, yeah, you know, I'm up
Speaker 1: here working out. We can work out. And actually right
Speaker 1: after I went back to China and he had a
Speaker 1: great season and everybody was talking about like how much
Speaker 1: I hoped him, and then he was saying how much
Speaker 1: I helped him. And then, like you said, I was
Speaker 1: getting older, and I was like, man, I had two
Speaker 1: or two years left from my contract in China, and
Speaker 1: I was like, do I want to stay over here
Speaker 1: and play? And then at the a d at the
Speaker 1: time man went to school together and he was like, man,
Speaker 1: you should come back and be assistant coach at Providence
Speaker 1: and I was like, uh, I really don't know. But
Speaker 1: then at the time I was like, well, this would
Speaker 1: be a perfect opportunity for me to get into coaching
Speaker 1: because if I keep playing two one years, I don't
Speaker 1: know who would be the coach here. And then Cooley
Speaker 1: really embraced me to come to Providence to be a coach.
Speaker 1: So I was like, man, I gotta take this opportunity now,
Speaker 1: because I don't know two years later, I might not
Speaker 1: have this opportunity to walk into this. So, like you said,
Speaker 1: I was thinking about long term and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I might as going to do this now and then
Speaker 1: with also help. I remember right before the Lakers played
Speaker 1: Boston and they did an interview with Kobe and Kobe
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you know, because I've never said nothing
Speaker 1: about it at that point, Kobe was like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: she and Well taught me how to dribble and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. So of course, when Kobe says, you know,
Speaker 1: the whole world listening to everybody start hitting me up
Speaker 1: like yo, can you do this? Can you do that?
Speaker 1: Can you do this? And I was like alright cool.
Speaker 1: And then after that, like you said, I just I
Speaker 1: came to grips with it more than I think other
Speaker 1: people did, because other dudes like, now you're still trying
Speaker 1: to play and I was like no, man, you know,
Speaker 1: once I came to good with it in my mind,
Speaker 1: I was like, this is what I'm supposed to do. Well,
Speaker 1: once they named and a move after you, you know,
Speaker 1: you come you come up with that transition a little easier,
Speaker 1: and the people you were able to get to and teach,
Speaker 1: you know, those parts of the game that to come
Speaker 1: natural to you. I think that's why you were able
Speaker 1: to have a easier transition. Shout out to the c
Speaker 1: b A too. I played in for a couple of years,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And I know how you
Speaker 1: can get your game off over there, you know, shout up, yeah, sham,
Speaker 1: you're you're one of the most You're one of the
Speaker 1: main characters coming out and Showtimes, uh well, and a
Speaker 1: documentary that will be premiering on Showtime on July twenty nine,
Speaker 1: point Guards. So I told us a little bit about
Speaker 1: point Guards, you know what I mean in the project
Speaker 1: and you know, and how was that for you going
Speaker 1: through the whole process? Man? For me, it was like
Speaker 1: I said, you know, shout out, shout out to k
Speaker 1: d Rich Climate in a you know, a boardroom for
Speaker 1: even having me on there. Want me on there, um
Speaker 1: because I'm only with great with great players that I
Speaker 1: looked up to a course, being from New York. You know,
Speaker 1: it's Robertrick and Mark Jackson, you know, Kenney Smith, you
Speaker 1: know Pearl Washington rest in peace. You know, even even
Speaker 1: my peers that's around my age you know, skip to
Speaker 1: my little rainfast and you know stuff on mare very
Speaker 1: just people like that. For me, it was amazing because,
Speaker 1: like I said, for me to be lumped in a
Speaker 1: group of guys like that have done amazing things like
Speaker 1: in New York City and across the world. Like I said,
Speaker 1: for me, it is amazing because like me coming up,
Speaker 1: you know, class of ninety. You know, me and Steph
Speaker 1: was both point guards coming from New York and all
Speaker 1: we wanted to be was like a person like Kenny Anderson,
Speaker 1: you know, proson at that point, Kenny Anderson was like
Speaker 1: the best thing walking, you know, his legal weapon three.
Speaker 1: And for him to be from New York City, man,
Speaker 1: he had big dudes wanted to be Kenny. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he he. He had to move against barbed early in
Speaker 1: the n C Double A tournament. That was amazing. And
Speaker 1: you know that's all we wanted to do at the time.
Speaker 1: So we're rich. Were Richard them asked me, you know,
Speaker 1: of course, you know, it's a honor for me to
Speaker 1: do it just to you know, to know my um
Speaker 1: impact on on ball players, you know, growing up dribbling
Speaker 1: and people from New York City. I think it's just
Speaker 1: a great documentary. Every state has something, you know, in
Speaker 1: New York City is known for point guards, you know,
Speaker 1: so like, so I think this is gonna be a
Speaker 1: good thing for not just the local people, but just
Speaker 1: for the world to see. Does it ever resonate with you?
Speaker 1: Because I think sometimes as individuals, were always moving on
Speaker 1: to what's next and always on that you know, eternal grind.
Speaker 1: But the fact that you never really had a long,
Speaker 1: successful NBA career, but still your name is mentioned with
Speaker 1: greats and you know, you're still remembered as one of
Speaker 1: the ones. But I think that, I mean, does it
Speaker 1: ever restaurant how motherfucker dope you really are even though
Speaker 1: you didn't decide. I mean, the NBA takes a lot
Speaker 1: of luck, takes a lot of luck to happen. It's
Speaker 1: not always skill. Most of the time it's luck. But
Speaker 1: for you to not necessarily make it in the league,
Speaker 1: but to still kind of I mean, you've got your
Speaker 1: own fucking shoe deal, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: for you to still do and accomplish all these things
Speaker 1: without the long NBA career, but still be talked about
Speaker 1: in these circles and be a part of projects like this.
Speaker 1: Do you ever just sit back, like, yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a cold motherfucker. Even though the other ship didn't pan out,
Speaker 1: I would you know, I definitely did my thing. I
Speaker 1: just want to make sure you know how nice you
Speaker 1: are and how important you are, and like you said,
Speaker 1: the impact you had on the game, but not necessarily
Speaker 1: having that long in your career like you like you
Speaker 1: just said, like I don't, I don't never I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't never realize it because the difference, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's not like you know, and I don't get
Speaker 1: into old school, moved school, but the differences is like
Speaker 1: I grew up around a lot of real dudes, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, you know, just like you know,
Speaker 1: I don't cross path with a lot of really dudes,
Speaker 1: like whether it's you and Matt Barns, whether you know
Speaker 1: me and stack Jack been placed together, you know, July
Speaker 1: we call I'm somebody at a young age, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So like you know, growing up in
Speaker 1: the era of the Kobe's and the people that people
Speaker 1: told you the truth and stuff like that. So everything
Speaker 1: for me, it is amazing because you know, everything for
Speaker 1: me happen organic. You know, we live in and we
Speaker 1: live in a coach and now where people try to
Speaker 1: create create some stuff instead of letting things be organic.
Speaker 1: And one thing you know about organic or organic love
Speaker 1: never fades, you know what I'm saying. When when his love,
Speaker 1: when this stuff that it just happens and people know
Speaker 1: you're not trying to do this, trying to do that.
Speaker 1: That that's the real stuff. So or again a glove stage.
Speaker 1: And for me, you know, it's amazing for me because
Speaker 1: most people see their inspiration like when they die, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I get delivering my inspiration every day,
Speaker 1: you know, and then being a part of the NBA.
Speaker 1: Now when people do moves and certain stuff like that,
Speaker 1: I'm sitting right there and they're like, oh oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you know Sham was right there on that was match
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So I get to see I
Speaker 1: get to see my inspiration every day and my impact.
Speaker 1: And like you said, it's not about you know, if
Speaker 1: I played thirty years, what it is. It's just about
Speaker 1: It's about the respect when people in the love that
Speaker 1: people show me. And it's funny because you know, I
Speaker 1: mean one one year, me and Chauncey was in Vegas
Speaker 1: and then he was laughing because it was like a
Speaker 1: group of kids like walking down the street and they
Speaker 1: walked past both of us and we just sitting there
Speaker 1: talking and then a kid come back and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know we're sitting there. I'm like okay about that
Speaker 1: something whatever. He comes back and he's like, hey, aren't
Speaker 1: you shim got or whatever? And I'm like yeah, and
Speaker 1: then I'm like yeah. So we just start talking. It's
Speaker 1: like he's like, hey, can you take a picture like this?
Speaker 1: And I'm like this to me and Chance. We walk off.
Speaker 1: When we last we're laughing, but me and Chance got
Speaker 1: fifteen years of friendship, so we laughing. Was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: that's crazy, Like I'm a hold of famous. Is that
Speaker 1: these kids they recognize you? And he was like and
Speaker 1: Chance has always been like a person I could call
Speaker 1: talk to, you know, things that talk things out, Like
Speaker 1: even when I was getting back into the NBA and
Speaker 1: he's the main one, you know, kind of like she said,
Speaker 1: he's like, man, you don't know how big it is, Like, bro,
Speaker 1: you gotta shoot you got this. He was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: that's so crazy. He's like, I know you probably don't
Speaker 1: realize that now. He's like, but that's so crazy. Always
Speaker 1: been like that since ninety five, Like you can put
Speaker 1: up he never had a big ego. He's on basketball
Speaker 1: and you know he can get your ass back, right.
Speaker 1: Were at least somewhere in the middle. So I'm glad
Speaker 1: you have glad to know that that class of ninety
Speaker 1: five still kept that ball. I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: there's ale of us throughout the years. We catch up
Speaker 1: with each other and remind each other that we was
Speaker 1: a cold asked McDonald's side school. Yeah, because like it's crazy,
Speaker 1: Like I try to tell people like from the time
Speaker 1: musing to mcdows American going to the mall, get our
Speaker 1: ears pierced and all the other stuff. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like yo, I'm like the ninety five
Speaker 1: class was like it was like so close until this day.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it was like a brotherhood like to this day,
Speaker 1: like when I see Kevin and I see everybody, it's
Speaker 1: like it was just like yesterday. And I don't think
Speaker 1: you have that as much as no more like you
Speaker 1: have back then. We was like such a brotherhood with
Speaker 1: dudes can really tell each other the truth and it
Speaker 1: don't be like a big thing about it. It's just
Speaker 1: like okay, cool, move on, let's figure it out because
Speaker 1: it's genuine love real. So your titleist player development correct, No,
Speaker 1: this year I got I got promoter shows that's just
Speaker 1: assistant coach player development. So you know it's yeah, I
Speaker 1: appreciate it, you know, But I say, but I say
Speaker 1: all that to say, you have your own shoe with Puma.
Speaker 1: Talk to us. How about that situation? How that came
Speaker 1: so a couple of years ago. I mean for people
Speaker 1: that know, you know, jay Z got a best friend
Speaker 1: that's named Embry Embry Jones, and Embry is like, you know,
Speaker 1: he's like the coaching person like that the brands go to.
Speaker 1: And he had called me one day and he was like, hey,
Speaker 1: you signed to anybody right now? And I was like nah.
Speaker 1: He was like, um, you know Puma trying to come
Speaker 1: back to um to the culture. And he was like,
Speaker 1: do you um they want you to give him some
Speaker 1: advice or like what parks to go to, like what
Speaker 1: kids to look at? Stuff like that? You know, would
Speaker 1: you mind talking to him about possibly being a consultant?
Speaker 1: So I was like cool. I was like yeah, because
Speaker 1: I know there was I do a big splash in
Speaker 1: New York City at this summer, and I was like cool.
Speaker 1: I was like, I have to tell you where to
Speaker 1: go with part. So then I get on the phone
Speaker 1: and we were talking about what they're looking for in
Speaker 1: the athlete, like to try to you know, bring it
Speaker 1: back to where it was before. And after we got
Speaker 1: off the phone, you know, like a week later, O
Speaker 1: g on and jay z M and call me and
Speaker 1: he was like, man, you must have had a good conversation.
Speaker 1: Was like, because you know, they was like, yo, one thing,
Speaker 1: just use you and I was like, oh, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: and it was like it was like you're a part
Speaker 1: of the culture. You know, every you know, all the
Speaker 1: kids look up to you for dribbling and stuff like this.
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, it makes sense that then
Speaker 1: we were talking about because I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to do it unless I can't do stuff for
Speaker 1: my community, you know what. I want to make sure
Speaker 1: I do a whole bunch of stuff for the community.
Speaker 1: And then the craziest thing that happened, you know, like
Speaker 1: you were saying earlier, man like Orgainsley for some reason,
Speaker 1: like as soon as I signed with them, you know,
Speaker 1: that summer going into the season, everybody was doing the move.
Speaker 1: So then it was like it just was like man,
Speaker 1: perfect it. It's like like I said, organically again you came,
Speaker 1: and then that's what Russ did it. Rust Folly did it,
Speaker 1: and then they interviewed Russ and Russ was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a movie. You know they called the kids called
Speaker 1: the Sham Guard or whatever, and it was like it
Speaker 1: just was happening like every other week. And you know,
Speaker 1: to your point earlier, if I stayed playing basketball, that's
Speaker 1: what people saying. If I stayed, if I don't follow
Speaker 1: my path and trust and with God God for me,
Speaker 1: if I stayed and tried to force the issue playing, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's still would have been a sham where I move,
Speaker 1: but it would have been totally different if I'm in China,
Speaker 1: I'm somewhere else. Then sitting on the NBA bench is
Speaker 1: a direct is a direct connect. So it's been like oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's some guy that used to play in the NBA. Cool,
Speaker 1: but now kids could Even then when people are saying
Speaker 1: the sham kids, was like, oh, that's a move. I
Speaker 1: remember I used to entruce people people parents and introduced me.
Speaker 1: They'd be like, that's not sham. Sham I was a
Speaker 1: move that's not They're like, no, he's a person. It's
Speaker 1: a person. So it was like so they're like, no way.
Speaker 1: So now you know, if I wasn't sitting on the
Speaker 1: NBA bench and I would have been forcing and trying
Speaker 1: to be like, oh, I'm just played, just to be
Speaker 1: playing and make a couple of dollars do this and
Speaker 1: not follow with with guard half of me from the beginning,
Speaker 1: because like you said, when I look back on it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, you know, even though you know McDonald's
Speaker 1: on American College, American stuff like that, I'm like, it
Speaker 1: seemed like from day one, God was putting me here
Speaker 1: to teach. From me being seven team and teaching Kobe,
Speaker 1: I drew as six team and then keep going and
Speaker 1: all along the whole path, whether it's like I said,
Speaker 1: McDonald's or American with Julianni and KG and I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: can you show me this move? So when I got
Speaker 1: drafted to the Wizard, I used to have to practice
Speaker 1: show Chris Webber moves and stuff like that. We just
Speaker 1: played against the Lakers and shock like, oh man, I
Speaker 1: know you got that the moves ro you know I'm
Speaker 1: gonna show you show me some of the moving. So
Speaker 1: it was like, of course my whole path, Yeah, of
Speaker 1: course my whole path. Everybody was always asking me, yo,
Speaker 1: can you show me this? Can you show me that?
Speaker 1: And then when I finally embraced it, like you said,
Speaker 1: it just opened up the floodgates. And like you said,
Speaker 1: this career well last way longer than my playing career.
Speaker 1: Well you just told us all the people that that
Speaker 1: that kind of recognized the game. But how did the
Speaker 1: move itself come about? Break this down for us? So
Speaker 1: what happened is cancer just do this move there. He
Speaker 1: would go one side and skip his legs and go
Speaker 1: between the legs. So as as I was growing up,
Speaker 1: rap Rap used always, do you know he's called skipped
Speaker 1: to my luis or skip up the court? So he
Speaker 1: used always do you know watch that skip moves stuff
Speaker 1: like that. And then there was a guy named Suran
Speaker 1: Anderson that people would never probably know ever, but in
Speaker 1: New York City everybody know him because at one point
Speaker 1: they thought him and his name insurance. At one point
Speaker 1: they throught him and Kenny Anderson's brothers because the way
Speaker 1: he dribbled and he had just one hand crossover. He's
Speaker 1: always come up the court like somebody rest when here,
Speaker 1: come up to court, full court, full court, and then
Speaker 1: we get to the file out here, double cross and
Speaker 1: lay it up. So he's one of the first three.
Speaker 1: When I first moved from Brooklyn the Hall of I
Speaker 1: saw a play and I was like, man, I gotta
Speaker 1: learned how to do one hand drew and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So then in the mcdown was I mean in college,
Speaker 1: the first time I ever tried was like against Jeff
Speaker 1: b Lett. I was trying to do the move ken incident,
Speaker 1: like to skip, skip to my legs, go between my
Speaker 1: legs and go to opposite direction. What happened was when
Speaker 1: I went to skip and through the ball, I lost
Speaker 1: the ball. The guy reached for the ball. So the
Speaker 1: only thing I can do is pull back at the time,
Speaker 1: so at this time, so at this time, I used
Speaker 1: to always watch, you know, like me learning how I drew.
Speaker 1: I didn't have no big brothers, I didn't have no hat,
Speaker 1: so I used to always watch videotapes and slow motion.
Speaker 1: So I used to have to this cassette take called
Speaker 1: below the Rim for people that know it was like
Speaker 1: Tim Hardaway, Kevin Johnson, uh pistol p tiny archer ball,
Speaker 1: you know, and and Tashi was my coach, and they've
Speaker 1: great and he was always like, man, if you get
Speaker 1: if you if you work on your hand, and you're
Speaker 1: always gonna mean something to a team. And I just
Speaker 1: got possessed after that, to the point where I used
Speaker 1: to be in a park trying to shake my shadow
Speaker 1: and all these other craze. I was looking like nuts,
Speaker 1: so from bug like stuff like that, you know. And
Speaker 1: then I put anchor weights up on my wrist to
Speaker 1: dribble and stuff, so to get back to the point.
Speaker 1: So when I threw it and I pulled it back,
Speaker 1: they go on, I'm watching my I would just always
Speaker 1: watch film, So I'm watching the film and slow, mostly
Speaker 1: because I just always watched so I could learn people, Cadence,
Speaker 1: I could learn people the way how they have they
Speaker 1: how footwork work, stuff like that. So when I watched him,
Speaker 1: like man, this could work. Like this could work. So
Speaker 1: the next day of practice and the practice, I got
Speaker 1: my guy Corey right there with the problems with me,
Speaker 1: and we stayed in the gym for like ten hours,
Speaker 1: just keep going over and keep going over, and keep
Speaker 1: going over and keep going over. And then once we
Speaker 1: got in an n C Double A tournament. You know,
Speaker 1: it just took life of this all playing against Arizona,
Speaker 1: and it was so funny because I mean with Michael
Speaker 1: Dickoson once that happened, We're standing at the free throwne.
Speaker 1: Michael Dickson like, man, what you just do you know
Speaker 1: that at that point, you know you're in competitive And
Speaker 1: I'm like, what, don't talk to me. Don't talk to me.
Speaker 1: None of y'all can't guard me. And I'm just like him,
Speaker 1: and like I said, still up to that point, I
Speaker 1: don't know nothing. I'm just I just did a move squeers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And like I said, again, I don't know nothing. So
Speaker 1: I go on, I go home and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm coming out. So I'm walking past the park, you know,
Speaker 1: going to my old neighborhood, and I hit a little
Speaker 1: kid like, oh, I'm a sham you. I'm ashamed you.
Speaker 1: Like he's talking to another little kid and I'm like what,
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting there watching them play. And then I'm
Speaker 1: trying to steal the board from a little kid and
Speaker 1: a little kid like, oh, I'm a sham guard. I'm
Speaker 1: a sham guard. And I was like what And then
Speaker 1: after that. That's what I knew it was the thing.
Speaker 1: But I'm you know, like you said, I'm thinking like, okay,
Speaker 1: that of fade, that of fade what it is? So
Speaker 1: I gotta give a big shot out to my father
Speaker 1: the name of me cause hm, God, because that plays
Speaker 1: a part of it too. So exactly you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Because I always tell you my name is
Speaker 1: Frank or something. I don't know if you'd be like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm doing a Frank, so I don't I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, that's it might not have working it
Speaker 1: as a Frank, but you did. You all you all
Speaker 1: on the all name team with side Remember scientific map topic, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was that like you know here Papa say so
Speaker 1: and then shout out told the paper says, you know
Speaker 1: he and then my father and his father and father.
Speaker 1: But before we get to onto the next just give
Speaker 1: me a book. What was the eighties and nineties like
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn and the basketball saying scientific matt typographic match
Speaker 1: five percenters hood dudes in between you and Stefan, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. There's just so many people in
Speaker 1: the eighty nineties that have, like you said, if you
Speaker 1: mentioned the name you might not know who he was,
Speaker 1: but he was detrimental into the development of the area
Speaker 1: and either point guard point guard. New York City basketball
Speaker 1: is so real, quick, just give me a couple of
Speaker 1: words on what eighties and nineties basketball. But like in Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: it was like for you know, for for us out
Speaker 1: here in New York, you know, whether it's Brooklyn, whether
Speaker 1: it's Hall of you know, in the eighties and the nineties,
Speaker 1: it was, you know, we're like, we're like rock stars
Speaker 1: were just like how rappers are. Now. That's what he
Speaker 1: was as basketball players at a young age, and that's
Speaker 1: why it was kind of hard for kids to kind
Speaker 1: of make it out of New York City because they
Speaker 1: were in the NBA before being in the NBA, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So it's like even if you
Speaker 1: go back to Pearl Pearl, Washington, Rest in Peace Pearls
Speaker 1: in high school and used to come to the game
Speaker 1: with a motorbike and a gold pac Man chain that
Speaker 1: a coach brought him because they's always said he eat
Speaker 1: up all his opponents. So he used to come in
Speaker 1: and they should call him pact Man. And he had
Speaker 1: come to like this this place called King Don King
Speaker 1: Towers and it'd be like three thousand people there. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like when Me and Stuff was
Speaker 1: coming up, you know, Kenny Anderson, especially when Me and
Speaker 1: Stepp came up, because that's like nineties was like the
Speaker 1: real era of like hip hop and fashion everything in
Speaker 1: New York. And at this point, you know, you gotta
Speaker 1: think me and step is like fifteen sixteen, We're hanging
Speaker 1: out with Puff Daddy, you know, in fact, you know
Speaker 1: jay Z, you know, all these people are legends. Say, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta think for me. And it was
Speaker 1: real crazy for me because the error I came in,
Speaker 1: Like you gotta think I moved from when I moved
Speaker 1: from Brooklyn to Holland, I moved in the middle of
Speaker 1: Holle right across the street. At fifteen, cameeron Live across
Speaker 1: the street, Mason Live up the street, Big l lived
Speaker 1: down the street. God bless her that Alim Black with
Speaker 1: a live across the street. So were all hanging out
Speaker 1: together every day, you know what I'm saying, Like every day,
Speaker 1: you know, before Mason Camp starts rapping, we're hanging out
Speaker 1: every day. Then you know, Jim Jones, you know, we
Speaker 1: all in the same neighborhood. Then we're playing for a
Speaker 1: team called Young Life with me step Raid you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Kareem read as what I'm saying, you know.
Speaker 1: And then I played I played with Goal, got me
Speaker 1: Steph Felipe Lopez and stuff like that. So like that
Speaker 1: error was so enriched in culture, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It was so enriching coach. And then when you go
Speaker 1: away and play tournaments, you meet a guy named Bubba
Speaker 1: Chuck that people you know, at this point we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: who's this dude? We played football and basketball, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and all that other stuff. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it was like it was it was just so it
Speaker 1: was just so enriched in basketball to the point where
Speaker 1: like I think everybody that was in the mcdousand or
Speaker 1: American team where it was from, was like rock stars.
Speaker 1: You know already, you know what I'm saying. And and
Speaker 1: and we was living like the rock star life. So
Speaker 1: even when you look at the NBA, the people for
Speaker 1: the nineties, once they transition NBA, and that's when it
Speaker 1: took off, like the whole fashion thing, the whole jury thing,
Speaker 1: the whole car and stuff like that, because most of
Speaker 1: the babblers felt it was rappidsh you know what, that
Speaker 1: kind like they was living like embracing that lifestyle. And
Speaker 1: so that's why I said, So it was it was
Speaker 1: so amazing for me to grow up in a R
Speaker 1: and I think for me that would always be the
Speaker 1: best R. Not saying the eerror that's now, But back then,
Speaker 1: it was just so all the people there that I
Speaker 1: was route kind of shaped the culture, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, From jay Z, from Puff, from stuff from
Speaker 1: different players, from AI as a whole. The nineties is
Speaker 1: all across the board. Yeah, I think that the nineties
Speaker 1: across the board, sports, culture, fashion, you name it, music,
Speaker 1: it was. It was definitely the legendary And that's why
Speaker 1: I said, And that's why I said, like I was
Speaker 1: the crazy part because I was like a direct in
Speaker 1: the midst of it, you know what I'm saying, because
Speaker 1: like even look at street ball, Rave. Rave took street
Speaker 1: ball to a whole nother level, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And this is a person I'm with all the time too,
Speaker 1: So it's like I'm in the middle of you know,
Speaker 1: at this point, Mass like almost like Drake in the Street,
Speaker 1: Mass like, don't one young boy rapping over and he's
Speaker 1: coming with me to all my games and I'm making
Speaker 1: him wrap for people at the game before you get on.
Speaker 1: I'm like yo. I'm like yo, my man is nice.
Speaker 1: You could wrap. They're like, man, we don't want to
Speaker 1: hear that slow stuff. A year later, now you know
Speaker 1: one person on the trucks like going there. You know
Speaker 1: Cam always was nice, so you know, just to have
Speaker 1: you know, Cam fat joined him on the document The
Speaker 1: documentary is great because they've seen most of us, especially
Speaker 1: me and stuff and rage like since it was like
Speaker 1: fourteen years old. M Again Point Guards premier in July
Speaker 1: twenty nine on Showtime Again shout out kd Rich climates
Speaker 1: in the boardroom, we we winded down right here. You've
Speaker 1: been blessed to kind of have a front row seat
Speaker 1: throughout Luca's career. At what point did you know he
Speaker 1: was different? Uh? The first because we had everybody and
Speaker 1: Jim knew he was different. First because he was doing passes,
Speaker 1: he was doing all types of stuff. And then like
Speaker 1: for people that know, like, um, people know how competitive
Speaker 1: I am? You know how competitive down strong is the
Speaker 1: great dow I'm strong, And we would challenge him every
Speaker 1: day and he would want to play us one on
Speaker 1: one every day. And the words that you're saying right now,
Speaker 1: you uhould always say to him and be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm different whatever. And when he coming out the games now,
Speaker 1: that's what he says every day, like we're a joke,
Speaker 1: and he'll be like, damn, I'm different, I'm different, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, But like you know, l L was like
Speaker 1: one of those I was like one of those people
Speaker 1: that you know how view like a great artist and
Speaker 1: somebody give you a canvas that's so amazing and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I can make this canvas into every anything you want.
Speaker 1: That was one of those things. You don't have to
Speaker 1: give him a lot of stuff to give him a
Speaker 1: little thing, and he turned that little thing into a masterpiece,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's what dribbling, that's what changing angles.
Speaker 1: And like I said, the Scot's a limit for him,
Speaker 1: you know, like and you know, to be on all
Speaker 1: the smoke. He wants all the smoke. So you know
Speaker 1: he's not he's not back down. Oh boy, he wants
Speaker 1: all of it. And he's just he's just a great playing,
Speaker 1: great competitive and the one thing that's good, great about
Speaker 1: he's a great person, like he's gonna you know, he's
Speaker 1: a good kid. He listens and you know he's gonna
Speaker 1: work his tail off and you know, he just want
Speaker 1: to win. I brings being up to uh one of
Speaker 1: my next question. Everybody's seeing that picture of him looking
Speaker 1: a little bit more in shape than he's accustomed to
Speaker 1: about playing internationally. Um, you think that's uh something that
Speaker 1: he's working on, working on extremely taking a little bit
Speaker 1: more serious now, working on his body so he's able to,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, be the best Luca that
Speaker 1: Luca can be. Yeah, you know, Lucas one of them,
Speaker 1: one of them, one of them players, one of those
Speaker 1: people that you know he hears everything, yeah, everything, and
Speaker 1: he's gonna make the adjust meant you know that he
Speaker 1: sees fit and he's gonna he's gonna prove people wrong
Speaker 1: all the time. And for for him, I just think,
Speaker 1: you know, when when he did so much that he
Speaker 1: did the year before, you know, of course you gotta
Speaker 1: relax your body, you know, and stuff like that. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's too much, maybe not, But like right now, he's
Speaker 1: taking everything serious and he hears everything and he sees like,
Speaker 1: what's such an impact he makes on the NBA and
Speaker 1: on our team, and you know, you just want to
Speaker 1: give us up to a great start next year. And
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna do everything possible that he came
Speaker 1: to make sure that happens. Absolutely, being someone who gets
Speaker 1: an opportunity to work with him, what are the some
Speaker 1: of the kind of stuff you guys work on, Is
Speaker 1: that anything new or the kind of fine tuning what
Speaker 1: he already has. Now it's more, it's more fine tuning,
Speaker 1: Like Luca came here with the package. Yeah, he came
Speaker 1: here great. You know, he came here good. Is I
Speaker 1: as I was jobbed to always help to make them great?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. He already came here good.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So if you don't make
Speaker 1: somebody that's good great, than you're doing them a disserting
Speaker 1: the service. So like for him, everything is just morrifined tune,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Because his mind, in his mind,
Speaker 1: you know how the great players are, they might they have,
Speaker 1: they have things they want to get done, they have
Speaker 1: things they want to accomplish and how they want to accomplish.
Speaker 1: So it's just our it's just our hour. You know,
Speaker 1: we just have to give him room to insert us
Speaker 1: into what he wanted to do, for us to about
Speaker 1: player development, like to get accomplished. You know, he might
Speaker 1: come and say, yn't want to work on backdowns, I
Speaker 1: want to work on this. I want to work on
Speaker 1: they could be just yo. You guarded him and put
Speaker 1: in different body types on him just so he could
Speaker 1: see it and get the right angle. So now when
Speaker 1: here in the game, everything is lived and you know
Speaker 1: he's going through the process in his mind because like
Speaker 1: I said, like Lucas one of those he's one of
Speaker 1: those savants, you know what I'm saying. And he got
Speaker 1: the in factor. You know, there's a lot of great players,
Speaker 1: but then so many great players that have the in
Speaker 1: fact and as everybody say, he got the in fact.
Speaker 1: The thing that you just mentioned that I loved, and
Speaker 1: I remember Kobe talking about this, like the trainer should
Speaker 1: never tell you what you need to work on yourself,
Speaker 1: what you need to work on, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: The fact that he knows exactly what he wants to
Speaker 1: do at his young age. I just Luka the great
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a good thing to watch man. Also,
Speaker 1: it's having a guy like Sham God on the staff
Speaker 1: who understands. You know, he was he was a maestro
Speaker 1: with the basketball. He knows, but what what people are
Speaker 1: reacting to or switching up to our king? Uh. Also
Speaker 1: about having people on the staff to understand, Hey, this
Speaker 1: dude don't need too much. He sees something we don't.
Speaker 1: We need to try to get on the same page. So,
Speaker 1: like you said, it's an even exchange. Like another word
Speaker 1: you use, organic as opposed to going in there with
Speaker 1: a playing hundred crossovers right there. Sometimes some some people
Speaker 1: who do basketball development people they go, heywire when you
Speaker 1: can you know they're gonna they'll they'll trip out a
Speaker 1: little bit. You know, Sham God has always been since
Speaker 1: I known it from ninety five, he's been able to
Speaker 1: adjust on the fly very quickly. Like I can come
Speaker 1: up to Sham got a ninety five there y'all teach
Speaker 1: me to Shannon God, No, what you need is a
Speaker 1: basic one to hit him with a cross like, no,
Speaker 1: you don't need that. Let me give you this and
Speaker 1: you're gonna be straight. To go back work on this
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be straight. So like I said, like
Speaker 1: I want to take giving your Flowers and you know
Speaker 1: as a classic class of ninety five. And let you know,
Speaker 1: it's not just savant talent. It's mixed with people like
Speaker 1: you who understand the game the man. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Why people think why some people you know,
Speaker 1: savantage things. So it wasn't it doesn't work that way
Speaker 1: without you. That's why you got it. You know, that's
Speaker 1: why your job title change. You know that. Yeah, you check.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I appreciate because it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's you know, like matten On this because he's
Speaker 1: you know, deadly for so long and then you know,
Speaker 1: like Jason Kidds and stuff like that, like the way
Speaker 1: Jason mind is. You know, he wants everybody to be better.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. He wants everybody to continue
Speaker 1: to grow because he's been such a giver, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And you know, everybody can see the difference,
Speaker 1: like how he worked with Luca this year. And then
Speaker 1: you got you know, a great owner and Mark Cuban,
Speaker 1: you got you know, a great Jim and Nico have
Speaker 1: been around, Nico has have been around basketball, got a
Speaker 1: president the president. Yeah. Yeah, so it's like yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's like it's like you got you got all basketball people,
Speaker 1: so now you know everybody gets you know, Grain Shape Jeans,
Speaker 1: Sean Sweeney. You know, we just got Quentin So it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you just watch Peter Pattons, So you just
Speaker 1: watch all these people and all these people know enough
Speaker 1: to where it. Like you said, we know when the
Speaker 1: fallback and when the push forward. You know when it
Speaker 1: comes to every player because every player is different, like Matt,
Speaker 1: every player can't be told what to do. We player
Speaker 1: camp be you know, some people that want to be
Speaker 1: told what to do and some people that just want
Speaker 1: to be like, Okay, hey, this is what I want
Speaker 1: to work for. And it's like and you take your
Speaker 1: ego because ain't about the sham ain't about to take
Speaker 1: get you out of and say, okay, cool, let's let's
Speaker 1: just get that done. Final question before you get out
Speaker 1: of here. Nine five McDonald's All American team which I
Speaker 1: got two members of or the nineties six team who
Speaker 1: wins oh ninety five that ain't even close, And we
Speaker 1: might have to carry we may we may have to
Speaker 1: carry this conversation on WF You have a ninety six
Speaker 1: representative here next time, like like I tell people all
Speaker 1: the time, I'm never gonna argue ninety five. If it
Speaker 1: ain't one is too got to be top right there, right,
Speaker 1: anything anything else ain't civilized because and this is, this
Speaker 1: is the reason, and this is this is my criteria
Speaker 1: for it. Right. If you look at now, you know
Speaker 1: and then this is not me this this consensions. Right,
Speaker 1: So we're look at now, we probably got we got
Speaker 1: the first high school player that went that went crazy KG.
Speaker 1: That mean it's there's been other high school players I'm
Speaker 1: talking about that that went crazy KG. We argue we
Speaker 1: got the best dunker, and we got to argue the
Speaker 1: best driver in one class. Then we got Paul Peers,
Speaker 1: we got July, we got We're to on Jamison, we
Speaker 1: got Tree fa do right that people don't know like
Speaker 1: hurt you know. So I'm just we had Wayne Turner,
Speaker 1: that Ron Mercer, like you know that's Steph Marbury too, right, yes,
Speaker 1: So like so we we got what I'm saying is
Speaker 1: we got we got culture changing people that the world say.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, I'm saying the world that's what
Speaker 1: they say. That's what they say that people say, that's
Speaker 1: what they said. Well, god man, we appreciate you. Are
Speaker 1: you gonna be a summer league? Yeah yeah, we definitely.
Speaker 1: We definitely got to catch up. We'll be out there
Speaker 1: all weeks. We definitely gotta pull up and chop it
Speaker 1: up a little bit and kicking. But for everyone out there,
Speaker 1: Point God premieres on Showtime July twenty nine. We appreciate
Speaker 1: your time, Best to love. Congratulations, we got you, giving
Speaker 1: you your flowers. Congratulations on the promotion man, and continue
Speaker 1: success my brother man. I appreciate it. Thank you all
Speaker 1: for having me on. Jay Broo