1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: Make sure you check out this new episode with God 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: Sham Guard, one of the Point guys out of New York, 3 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: one of my brothers. We came up together this episode 4 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 1: you don't want to miss. Wasn't able to beat up 5 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: for this episode, but Man Gelani made sure they took 6 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: everything they need to take up and made a great 7 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: episode for you. Didn't join. Also, it's the last episode 8 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: it was burning. I appreciate you our supporting. Y'all rocking 9 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: with us? Tune in next season. Welcome back to a 10 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: special episode of All the Smoke with the legendary the 11 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: one and only God Shamn God. Welcome to the show, 12 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: broke Man, Thank you. Man's a pleasure being on the show. 13 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: You know, I'll watch you all the time. You know, 14 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: y'all y'all kicked that rail, so it's definitely a pleasure. Man. 15 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,639 Speaker 1: We appreciate having you. So, what's going on right now? 16 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: How is life treating you? Guys? Just came on off 17 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: a nice run last season? How is the off season 18 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: been treating you so far? But it's been good. You know, 19 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: we've just been doing draft workhouse and had free agency 20 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: camp and you know we just um drafted and signing 21 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: player you know jay a Hardy, so you know, just 22 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: talking to him and his pops, you know, chopping it 23 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: up with his team and just getting to know him 24 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: and getting ready for some of the league. That's what 25 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: we're doing right now. This may be above your pay grade, 26 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna ask anyway, y'all gonna be able to 27 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: keep Jalen Brunson. He had a big year last year. Uh, 28 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: he's hit the market and that money is going up obviously. 29 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: You know how important he is to your guys team. Uh, 30 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 1: can you give us any insight on you know, uh, 31 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: possibilities of him possibly staying with you guys man, The 32 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: only thing I just say is I hope he stayed 33 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: with us. You know what I'm saying, you home grown? 34 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: You know JB is an amazing player with us, for 35 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: anybody would be an amazing player. He's you know, he worked, 36 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: He worked his tail off, you know, so nothing wasn't 37 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: given to him, you know, has everybody know you know, 38 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: he was drafted in the second round, had to be 39 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: in called, you know, Big East Player of the Year, 40 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: so you know you could tell the talent speaks for itself, 41 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: and you know he worked his tail off and you know, 42 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: he was very important for us, and you know, hopefully 43 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: he's still be that. You know, in a few tip 44 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: You've been player development in Dallas for the last six years. 45 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: Tell us how that position came about for you. Well, 46 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: it came about. I was at Providence College and I 47 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: was working out for people I know, Bryce Cott and 48 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: Chris Dunn. Chris Dunn was the number five pick in 49 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: the draft, the biggest player of the year, and you 50 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: know a lot of people just start seeing and hearing 51 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: about me working other players out. You know, whether it 52 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: was doing stuff with Ben Gordon, you know, Dennis Smith Jr. 53 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: Whether it was being like kind of a co mentor 54 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: for like Trade Young, you know, talking to his parents 55 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And you know a lot of 56 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: people just just reach out to me, like all over 57 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: the like, all over the world just because of dribbling. 58 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: And so I started went back to Providence to get 59 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: my degree to finish body by now, I left school early, 60 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: and you know, I just took on life. Just zon 61 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: Mike Procopio. Shout out to Mike Procopio. You know, he 62 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: was playing development at Dallas, you know before I got there, 63 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: and him and Michael Finley brought me in and kind 64 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: of about me. And I ready knew Mark from working 65 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: out for Doubts like years ago, and you know, they 66 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: bring me in for a workout the first they came 67 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: to Providence to watching me work out. Ricky Leedo, Ricky 68 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: Leedo has sat out. You know, his his freshman year 69 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: had problems, but he still got drafted. And you know, 70 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: everybody kept saying, man, you should, you know, you should 71 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: be playing development for the NBA, for the NBA because 72 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: you know you do. Some of guys like that was 73 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: deeper different people. You know, once I came, you know, 74 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: my first year, you know, we drifted Denn Smith Jr. 75 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: You know, I was working on HB a lot, have 76 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: some Bodus what's the matthreew step Curry and everybody saw 77 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: their development and then you know, after that, it's just 78 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: was kind of like solidified. It was more than you know, 79 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: because I think when people first thought about it, thought 80 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: I was just there to teach people how to dribble, 81 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: you know, and they don't understand, you know, it's not 82 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: really it is dribbling, but it's not really such things 83 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: to driveling coach, because you know, even if you teach drilling, 84 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: you gotta teach how to make layups. You gotta teach 85 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: how to come out of it. So in the actuality 86 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: you're doing and the whole players development ain't just guards. 87 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: And then when people start seeing like I could teach 88 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: big Man and stuff like that, and it goes back 89 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: from years when you know, when I used to work 90 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: with Kobe and different players and Chris Webber, Kevin Garden 91 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: that you know July, you know he was in the 92 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: McDonald's an American game with me, and you know how 93 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: many like whether it was him, brothers, KG was all 94 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: the big actively showed a lot of dribble. It ain't 95 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: just me, Yeah, it ain't. It ain't just me like 96 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: showing point guards how to dribble. And that's what people 97 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: don't understand because you know, it ain't just about dribbling. 98 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: You know, it's not about just doing a whole bunch 99 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: of fancy moves and things like that. It's about teaching 100 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: people get to the spaces they want to get and playing, 101 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: you know, comfortable and uncomfortable situations. Quick questions someone who 102 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: was so obviously how they decorated in high school, in college, 103 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: you know, you had a quick stint in the league 104 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: played overseas for a little while. When did it hit 105 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 1: you that, like you just said, you kind of it 106 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: was natural. You've always kind of been a teacher even 107 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: while you were a player. When did you kind of 108 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: just really buy into Okay, I love basketball to death. Obviously, 109 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 1: all the court is not necessarily where I wanted it 110 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: to be. But I see I can make a whole 111 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: new living teaching people. And I've been teaching people in 112 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: my whole life. So when did you kind of buy 113 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: into that mindset that, Okay, as much as I love 114 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: the game and want to play, me teaching the game 115 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: is what's gonna take me to that next level. Yeah, 116 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 1: I mean I would say, you know, like you said, obvious, 117 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: you know you wish you you know it would be 118 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 1: you know, hall of fame, playing the NBA for about 119 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: a bunch of years and things like that. I would say, 120 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: I had just got m v P in China and 121 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: then like I got my niece scope. So I went 122 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: back to Providence to rehab. Sean Brooks was there. This 123 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: is like what Shaun's Brooks like sophomore year and I 124 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 1: was rehabbing and they was acting me like, you know, 125 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: can you talk to him? That's like, yo, he's a 126 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: good player. You know, he's on the verge of something, 127 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: but you know he's got a lot of stuff going on. 128 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: And it was like can you help him? And I 129 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: was like I was like, yeah, you know, I'm up 130 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: here working out. We can work out. And actually right 131 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: after I went back to China and he had a 132 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: great season and everybody was talking about like how much 133 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: I hoped him, and then he was saying how much 134 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: I helped him. And then, like you said, I was 135 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: getting older, and I was like, man, I had two 136 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: or two years left from my contract in China, and 137 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: I was like, do I want to stay over here 138 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: and play? And then at the a d at the 139 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: time man went to school together and he was like, man, 140 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: you should come back and be assistant coach at Providence 141 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 1: and I was like, uh, I really don't know. But 142 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: then at the time I was like, well, this would 143 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: be a perfect opportunity for me to get into coaching 144 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: because if I keep playing two one years, I don't 145 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: know who would be the coach here. And then Cooley 146 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 1: really embraced me to come to Providence to be a coach. 147 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: So I was like, man, I gotta take this opportunity now, 148 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: because I don't know two years later, I might not 149 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: have this opportunity to walk into this. So, like you said, 150 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: I was thinking about long term and I was like, man, 151 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: I might as going to do this now and then 152 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: with also help. I remember right before the Lakers played 153 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: Boston and they did an interview with Kobe and Kobe 154 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you know, because I've never said nothing 155 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: about it at that point, Kobe was like, yeah, you know, 156 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: she and Well taught me how to dribble and stuff 157 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: like that. So of course, when Kobe says, you know, 158 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: the whole world listening to everybody start hitting me up 159 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: like yo, can you do this? Can you do that? 160 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: Can you do this? And I was like alright cool. 161 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: And then after that, like you said, I just I 162 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: came to grips with it more than I think other 163 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: people did, because other dudes like, now you're still trying 164 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: to play and I was like no, man, you know, 165 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: once I came to good with it in my mind, 166 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: I was like, this is what I'm supposed to do. Well, 167 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: once they named and a move after you, you know, 168 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: you come you come up with that transition a little easier, 169 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: and the people you were able to get to and teach, 170 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: you know, those parts of the game that to come 171 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: natural to you. I think that's why you were able 172 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: to have a easier transition. Shout out to the c 173 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: b A too. I played in for a couple of years, 174 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And I know how you 175 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: can get your game off over there, you know, shout up, yeah, sham, 176 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: you're you're one of the most You're one of the 177 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: main characters coming out and Showtimes, uh well, and a 178 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: documentary that will be premiering on Showtime on July twenty nine, 179 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: point Guards. So I told us a little bit about 180 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: point Guards, you know what I mean in the project 181 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: and you know, and how was that for you going 182 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: through the whole process? Man? For me, it was like 183 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: I said, you know, shout out, shout out to k 184 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: d Rich Climate in a you know, a boardroom for 185 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: even having me on there. Want me on there, um 186 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 1: because I'm only with great with great players that I 187 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: looked up to a course, being from New York. You know, 188 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: it's Robertrick and Mark Jackson, you know, Kenney Smith, you 189 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: know Pearl Washington rest in peace. You know, even even 190 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: my peers that's around my age you know, skip to 191 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: my little rainfast and you know stuff on mare very 192 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: just people like that. For me, it was amazing because, 193 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: like I said, for me to be lumped in a 194 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: group of guys like that have done amazing things like 195 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: in New York City and across the world. Like I said, 196 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 1: for me, it is amazing because like me coming up, 197 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: you know, class of ninety. You know, me and Steph 198 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 1: was both point guards coming from New York and all 199 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: we wanted to be was like a person like Kenny Anderson, 200 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: you know, proson at that point, Kenny Anderson was like 201 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: the best thing walking, you know, his legal weapon three. 202 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: And for him to be from New York City, man, 203 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: he had big dudes wanted to be Kenny. Yeah, yeah, 204 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: he he. He had to move against barbed early in 205 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: the n C Double A tournament. That was amazing. And 206 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 1: you know that's all we wanted to do at the time. 207 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: So we're rich. Were Richard them asked me, you know, 208 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: of course, you know, it's a honor for me to 209 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: do it just to you know, to know my um 210 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: impact on on ball players, you know, growing up dribbling 211 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: and people from New York City. I think it's just 212 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: a great documentary. Every state has something, you know, in 213 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: New York City is known for point guards, you know, 214 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: so like, so I think this is gonna be a 215 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: good thing for not just the local people, but just 216 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: for the world to see. Does it ever resonate with you? 217 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: Because I think sometimes as individuals, were always moving on 218 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: to what's next and always on that you know, eternal grind. 219 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: But the fact that you never really had a long, 220 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 1: successful NBA career, but still your name is mentioned with 221 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: greats and you know, you're still remembered as one of 222 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: the ones. But I think that, I mean, does it 223 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 1: ever restaurant how motherfucker dope you really are even though 224 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: you didn't decide. I mean, the NBA takes a lot 225 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: of luck, takes a lot of luck to happen. It's 226 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: not always skill. Most of the time it's luck. But 227 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: for you to not necessarily make it in the league, 228 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: but to still kind of I mean, you've got your 229 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: own fucking shoe deal, you know what I mean? Like 230 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: for you to still do and accomplish all these things 231 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: without the long NBA career, but still be talked about 232 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: in these circles and be a part of projects like this. 233 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: Do you ever just sit back, like, yeah, it was 234 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: a cold motherfucker. Even though the other ship didn't pan out, 235 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: I would you know, I definitely did my thing. I 236 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: just want to make sure you know how nice you 237 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: are and how important you are, and like you said, 238 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: the impact you had on the game, but not necessarily 239 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: having that long in your career like you like you 240 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: just said, like I don't, I don't never I don't. 241 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: I don't never realize it because the difference, you know, 242 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: and it's not like you know, and I don't get 243 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: into old school, moved school, but the differences is like 244 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: I grew up around a lot of real dudes, you 245 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, you know, just like you know, 246 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: I don't cross path with a lot of really dudes, 247 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: like whether it's you and Matt Barns, whether you know 248 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: me and stack Jack been placed together, you know, July 249 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: we call I'm somebody at a young age, you know 250 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So like you know, growing up in 251 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: the era of the Kobe's and the people that people 252 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: told you the truth and stuff like that. So everything 253 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: for me, it is amazing because you know, everything for 254 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 1: me happen organic. You know, we live in and we 255 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: live in a coach and now where people try to 256 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: create create some stuff instead of letting things be organic. 257 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: And one thing you know about organic or organic love 258 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: never fades, you know what I'm saying. When when his love, 259 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: when this stuff that it just happens and people know 260 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: you're not trying to do this, trying to do that. 261 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: That that's the real stuff. So or again a glove stage. 262 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: And for me, you know, it's amazing for me because 263 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: most people see their inspiration like when they die, you 264 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I get delivering my inspiration every day, 265 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: you know, and then being a part of the NBA. 266 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: Now when people do moves and certain stuff like that, 267 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: I'm sitting right there and they're like, oh oh yeah, 268 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 1: you know Sham was right there on that was match 269 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So I get to see I 270 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: get to see my inspiration every day and my impact. 271 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: And like you said, it's not about you know, if 272 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: I played thirty years, what it is. It's just about 273 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: It's about the respect when people in the love that 274 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: people show me. And it's funny because you know, I 275 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: mean one one year, me and Chauncey was in Vegas 276 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: and then he was laughing because it was like a 277 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,839 Speaker 1: group of kids like walking down the street and they 278 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 1: walked past both of us and we just sitting there 279 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: talking and then a kid come back and he's like, oh, 280 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: you know we're sitting there. I'm like okay about that 281 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: something whatever. He comes back and he's like, hey, aren't 282 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: you shim got or whatever? And I'm like yeah, and 283 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: then I'm like yeah. So we just start talking. It's 284 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 1: like he's like, hey, can you take a picture like this? 285 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: And I'm like this to me and Chance. We walk off. 286 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: When we last we're laughing, but me and Chance got 287 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: fifteen years of friendship, so we laughing. Was like, Yo, 288 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: that's crazy, Like I'm a hold of famous. Is that 289 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: these kids they recognize you? And he was like and 290 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: Chance has always been like a person I could call 291 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: talk to, you know, things that talk things out, Like 292 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: even when I was getting back into the NBA and 293 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: he's the main one, you know, kind of like she said, 294 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 1: he's like, man, you don't know how big it is, Like, bro, 295 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: you gotta shoot you got this. He was like, Yo, 296 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: that's so crazy. He's like, I know you probably don't 297 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: realize that now. He's like, but that's so crazy. Always 298 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: been like that since ninety five, Like you can put 299 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: up he never had a big ego. He's on basketball 300 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: and you know he can get your ass back, right. 301 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: Were at least somewhere in the middle. So I'm glad 302 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: you have glad to know that that class of ninety 303 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: five still kept that ball. I feel like, you know, 304 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: there's ale of us throughout the years. We catch up 305 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: with each other and remind each other that we was 306 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: a cold asked McDonald's side school. Yeah, because like it's crazy, 307 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: Like I try to tell people like from the time 308 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: musing to mcdows American going to the mall, get our 309 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: ears pierced and all the other stuff. I'm like, yo, 310 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like yo, I'm like the ninety five 311 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: class was like it was like so close until this day. 312 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, it was like a brotherhood like to this day, 313 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: like when I see Kevin and I see everybody, it's 314 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: like it was just like yesterday. And I don't think 315 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: you have that as much as no more like you 316 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: have back then. We was like such a brotherhood with 317 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: dudes can really tell each other the truth and it 318 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: don't be like a big thing about it. It's just 319 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: like okay, cool, move on, let's figure it out because 320 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: it's genuine love real. So your titleist player development correct, No, 321 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: this year I got I got promoter shows that's just 322 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: assistant coach player development. So you know it's yeah, I 323 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: appreciate it, you know, But I say, but I say 324 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: all that to say, you have your own shoe with Puma. 325 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: Talk to us. How about that situation? How that came 326 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: so a couple of years ago. I mean for people 327 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: that know, you know, jay Z got a best friend 328 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: that's named Embry Embry Jones, and Embry is like, you know, 329 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: he's like the coaching person like that the brands go to. 330 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: And he had called me one day and he was like, hey, 331 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: you signed to anybody right now? And I was like nah. 332 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: He was like, um, you know Puma trying to come 333 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: back to um to the culture. And he was like, 334 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: do you um they want you to give him some 335 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: advice or like what parks to go to, like what 336 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: kids to look at? Stuff like that? You know, would 337 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: you mind talking to him about possibly being a consultant? 338 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: So I was like cool. I was like yeah, because 339 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: I know there was I do a big splash in 340 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: New York City at this summer, and I was like cool. 341 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: I was like, I have to tell you where to 342 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: go with part. So then I get on the phone 343 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: and we were talking about what they're looking for in 344 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: the athlete, like to try to you know, bring it 345 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: back to where it was before. And after we got 346 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: off the phone, you know, like a week later, O 347 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: g on and jay z M and call me and 348 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: he was like, man, you must have had a good conversation. 349 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: Was like, because you know, they was like, yo, one thing, 350 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: just use you and I was like, oh, okay, cool, 351 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: and it was like it was like you're a part 352 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: of the culture. You know, every you know, all the 353 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: kids look up to you for dribbling and stuff like this. 354 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, it makes sense that then 355 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: we were talking about because I was like, I don't 356 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: want to do it unless I can't do stuff for 357 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: my community, you know what. I want to make sure 358 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: I do a whole bunch of stuff for the community. 359 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: And then the craziest thing that happened, you know, like 360 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: you were saying earlier, man like Orgainsley for some reason, 361 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: like as soon as I signed with them, you know, 362 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: that summer going into the season, everybody was doing the move. 363 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: So then it was like it just was like man, 364 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: perfect it. It's like like I said, organically again you came, 365 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: and then that's what Russ did it. Rust Folly did it, 366 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: and then they interviewed Russ and Russ was like, oh yeah, 367 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: that's a movie. You know they called the kids called 368 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 1: the Sham Guard or whatever, and it was like it 369 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: just was happening like every other week. And you know, 370 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 1: to your point earlier, if I stayed playing basketball, that's 371 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: what people saying. If I stayed, if I don't follow 372 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: my path and trust and with God God for me, 373 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: if I stayed and tried to force the issue playing, yeah, 374 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: it's still would have been a sham where I move, 375 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: but it would have been totally different if I'm in China, 376 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: I'm somewhere else. Then sitting on the NBA bench is 377 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: a direct is a direct connect. So it's been like oh, yeah, 378 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: that's some guy that used to play in the NBA. Cool, 379 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 1: but now kids could Even then when people are saying 380 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: the sham kids, was like, oh, that's a move. I 381 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: remember I used to entruce people people parents and introduced me. 382 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: They'd be like, that's not sham. Sham I was a 383 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: move that's not They're like, no, he's a person. It's 384 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: a person. So it was like so they're like, no way. 385 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 1: So now you know, if I wasn't sitting on the 386 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: NBA bench and I would have been forcing and trying 387 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: to be like, oh, I'm just played, just to be 388 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: playing and make a couple of dollars do this and 389 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: not follow with with guard half of me from the beginning, 390 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: because like you said, when I look back on it, 391 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, you know, even though you know McDonald's 392 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: on American College, American stuff like that, I'm like, it 393 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: seemed like from day one, God was putting me here 394 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: to teach. From me being seven team and teaching Kobe, 395 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,719 Speaker 1: I drew as six team and then keep going and 396 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: all along the whole path, whether it's like I said, 397 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: McDonald's or American with Julianni and KG and I'm like, yo, 398 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: can you show me this move? So when I got 399 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: drafted to the Wizard, I used to have to practice 400 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: show Chris Webber moves and stuff like that. We just 401 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: played against the Lakers and shock like, oh man, I 402 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: know you got that the moves ro you know I'm 403 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: gonna show you show me some of the moving. So 404 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: it was like, of course my whole path, Yeah, of 405 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 1: course my whole path. Everybody was always asking me, yo, 406 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: can you show me this? Can you show me that? 407 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: And then when I finally embraced it, like you said, 408 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: it just opened up the floodgates. And like you said, 409 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 1: this career well last way longer than my playing career. 410 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 1: Well you just told us all the people that that 411 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: that kind of recognized the game. But how did the 412 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: move itself come about? Break this down for us? So 413 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: what happened is cancer just do this move there. He 414 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: would go one side and skip his legs and go 415 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: between the legs. So as as I was growing up, 416 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: rap Rap used always, do you know he's called skipped 417 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: to my luis or skip up the court? So he 418 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: used always do you know watch that skip moves stuff 419 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: like that. And then there was a guy named Suran 420 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: Anderson that people would never probably know ever, but in 421 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: New York City everybody know him because at one point 422 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: they thought him and his name insurance. At one point 423 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: they throught him and Kenny Anderson's brothers because the way 424 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: he dribbled and he had just one hand crossover. He's 425 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: always come up the court like somebody rest when here, 426 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 1: come up to court, full court, full court, and then 427 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: we get to the file out here, double cross and 428 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: lay it up. So he's one of the first three. 429 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: When I first moved from Brooklyn the Hall of I 430 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: saw a play and I was like, man, I gotta 431 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: learned how to do one hand drew and stuff like that. 432 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: So then in the mcdown was I mean in college, 433 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: the first time I ever tried was like against Jeff 434 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: b Lett. I was trying to do the move ken incident, 435 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: like to skip, skip to my legs, go between my 436 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 1: legs and go to opposite direction. What happened was when 437 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: I went to skip and through the ball, I lost 438 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: the ball. The guy reached for the ball. So the 439 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: only thing I can do is pull back at the time, 440 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: so at this time, so at this time, I used 441 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: to always watch, you know, like me learning how I drew. 442 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: I didn't have no big brothers, I didn't have no hat, 443 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: so I used to always watch videotapes and slow motion. 444 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: So I used to have to this cassette take called 445 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: below the Rim for people that know it was like 446 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: Tim Hardaway, Kevin Johnson, uh pistol p tiny archer ball, 447 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: you know, and and Tashi was my coach, and they've 448 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 1: great and he was always like, man, if you get 449 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 1: if you if you work on your hand, and you're 450 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: always gonna mean something to a team. And I just 451 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: got possessed after that, to the point where I used 452 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 1: to be in a park trying to shake my shadow 453 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: and all these other craze. I was looking like nuts, 454 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: so from bug like stuff like that, you know. And 455 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: then I put anchor weights up on my wrist to 456 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: dribble and stuff, so to get back to the point. 457 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: So when I threw it and I pulled it back, 458 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: they go on, I'm watching my I would just always 459 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: watch film, So I'm watching the film and slow, mostly 460 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: because I just always watched so I could learn people, Cadence, 461 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: I could learn people the way how they have they 462 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: how footwork work, stuff like that. So when I watched him, 463 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: like man, this could work. Like this could work. So 464 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: the next day of practice and the practice, I got 465 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: my guy Corey right there with the problems with me, 466 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: and we stayed in the gym for like ten hours, 467 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: just keep going over and keep going over, and keep 468 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: going over and keep going over. And then once we 469 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: got in an n C Double A tournament. You know, 470 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: it just took life of this all playing against Arizona, 471 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: and it was so funny because I mean with Michael 472 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: Dickoson once that happened, We're standing at the free throwne. 473 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: Michael Dickson like, man, what you just do you know 474 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: that at that point, you know you're in competitive And 475 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, what, don't talk to me. Don't talk to me. 476 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: None of y'all can't guard me. And I'm just like him, 477 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: and like I said, still up to that point, I 478 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: don't know nothing. I'm just I just did a move squeers. Yeah, 479 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: And like I said, again, I don't know nothing. So 480 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: I go on, I go home and I'm like, yeah, 481 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: I'm coming out. So I'm walking past the park, you know, 482 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: going to my old neighborhood, and I hit a little 483 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: kid like, oh, I'm a sham you. I'm ashamed you. 484 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: Like he's talking to another little kid and I'm like what, 485 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: I'm just sitting there watching them play. And then I'm 486 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: trying to steal the board from a little kid and 487 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: a little kid like, oh, I'm a sham guard. I'm 488 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: a sham guard. And I was like what And then 489 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: after that. That's what I knew it was the thing. 490 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: But I'm you know, like you said, I'm thinking like, okay, 491 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: that of fade, that of fade what it is? So 492 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: I gotta give a big shot out to my father 493 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: the name of me cause hm, God, because that plays 494 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: a part of it too. So exactly you know what 495 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Because I always tell you my name is 496 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,360 Speaker 1: Frank or something. I don't know if you'd be like, hey, 497 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: I'm doing a Frank, so I don't I don't know, 498 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, that's it might not have working it 499 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: as a Frank, but you did. You all you all 500 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: on the all name team with side Remember scientific map topic, Yeah, 501 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: it was that like you know here Papa say so 502 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: and then shout out told the paper says, you know 503 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: he and then my father and his father and father. 504 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: But before we get to onto the next just give 505 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: me a book. What was the eighties and nineties like 506 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: in Brooklyn and the basketball saying scientific matt typographic match 507 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: five percenters hood dudes in between you and Stefan, you 508 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: know what I mean. There's just so many people in 509 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: the eighty nineties that have, like you said, if you 510 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: mentioned the name you might not know who he was, 511 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: but he was detrimental into the development of the area 512 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: and either point guard point guard. New York City basketball 513 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: is so real, quick, just give me a couple of 514 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: words on what eighties and nineties basketball. But like in Brooklyn, 515 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: it was like for you know, for for us out 516 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 1: here in New York, you know, whether it's Brooklyn, whether 517 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 1: it's Hall of you know, in the eighties and the nineties, 518 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: it was, you know, we're like, we're like rock stars 519 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: were just like how rappers are. Now. That's what he 520 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: was as basketball players at a young age, and that's 521 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: why it was kind of hard for kids to kind 522 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: of make it out of New York City because they 523 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: were in the NBA before being in the NBA, you 524 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So it's like even if you 525 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: go back to Pearl Pearl, Washington, Rest in Peace Pearls 526 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: in high school and used to come to the game 527 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: with a motorbike and a gold pac Man chain that 528 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: a coach brought him because they's always said he eat 529 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: up all his opponents. So he used to come in 530 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: and they should call him pact Man. And he had 531 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: come to like this this place called King Don King 532 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: Towers and it'd be like three thousand people there. You 533 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like when Me and Stuff was 534 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 1: coming up, you know, Kenny Anderson, especially when Me and 535 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: Stepp came up, because that's like nineties was like the 536 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: real era of like hip hop and fashion everything in 537 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: New York. And at this point, you know, you gotta 538 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: think me and step is like fifteen sixteen, We're hanging 539 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: out with Puff Daddy, you know, in fact, you know 540 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: jay Z, you know, all these people are legends. Say, oh, 541 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: you know, you gotta think for me. And it was 542 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: real crazy for me because the error I came in, 543 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: Like you gotta think I moved from when I moved 544 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: from Brooklyn to Holland, I moved in the middle of 545 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: Holle right across the street. At fifteen, cameeron Live across 546 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: the street, Mason Live up the street, Big l lived 547 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: down the street. God bless her that Alim Black with 548 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: a live across the street. So were all hanging out 549 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 1: together every day, you know what I'm saying, Like every day, 550 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: you know, before Mason Camp starts rapping, we're hanging out 551 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: every day. Then you know, Jim Jones, you know, we 552 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: all in the same neighborhood. Then we're playing for a 553 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 1: team called Young Life with me step Raid you know 554 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Kareem read as what I'm saying, you know. 555 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: And then I played I played with Goal, got me 556 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: Steph Felipe Lopez and stuff like that. So like that 557 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: error was so enriched in culture, you know what I'm saying. 558 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: It was so enriching coach. And then when you go 559 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: away and play tournaments, you meet a guy named Bubba 560 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: Chuck that people you know, at this point we're like, oh, 561 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: who's this dude? We played football and basketball, you know 562 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and all that other stuff. Yeah, so 563 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: it was like it was it was just so it 564 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: was just so enriched in basketball to the point where 565 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: like I think everybody that was in the mcdousand or 566 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: American team where it was from, was like rock stars. 567 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: You know already, you know what I'm saying. And and 568 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: and we was living like the rock star life. So 569 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: even when you look at the NBA, the people for 570 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: the nineties, once they transition NBA, and that's when it 571 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: took off, like the whole fashion thing, the whole jury thing, 572 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: the whole car and stuff like that, because most of 573 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,239 Speaker 1: the babblers felt it was rappidsh you know what, that 574 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: kind like they was living like embracing that lifestyle. And 575 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: so that's why I said, So it was it was 576 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: so amazing for me to grow up in a R 577 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: and I think for me that would always be the 578 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: best R. Not saying the eerror that's now, But back then, 579 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: it was just so all the people there that I 580 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: was route kind of shaped the culture, you know what 581 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: I'm saying, From jay Z, from Puff, from stuff from 582 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: different players, from AI as a whole. The nineties is 583 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: all across the board. Yeah, I think that the nineties 584 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: across the board, sports, culture, fashion, you name it, music, 585 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: it was. It was definitely the legendary And that's why 586 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: I said, And that's why I said, like I was 587 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: the crazy part because I was like a direct in 588 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: the midst of it, you know what I'm saying, because 589 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: like even look at street ball, Rave. Rave took street 590 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: ball to a whole nother level, you know what I'm saying. 591 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: And this is a person I'm with all the time too, 592 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: So it's like I'm in the middle of you know, 593 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: at this point, Mass like almost like Drake in the Street, 594 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: Mass like, don't one young boy rapping over and he's 595 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: coming with me to all my games and I'm making 596 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 1: him wrap for people at the game before you get on. 597 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: I'm like yo. I'm like yo, my man is nice. 598 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: You could wrap. They're like, man, we don't want to 599 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: hear that slow stuff. A year later, now you know 600 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: one person on the trucks like going there. You know 601 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 1: Cam always was nice, so you know, just to have 602 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: you know, Cam fat joined him on the document The 603 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 1: documentary is great because they've seen most of us, especially 604 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 1: me and stuff and rage like since it was like 605 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: fourteen years old. M Again Point Guards premier in July 606 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: twenty nine on Showtime Again shout out kd Rich climates 607 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: in the boardroom, we we winded down right here. You've 608 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: been blessed to kind of have a front row seat 609 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: throughout Luca's career. At what point did you know he 610 00:28:55,400 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: was different? Uh? The first because we had everybody and 611 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: Jim knew he was different. First because he was doing passes, 612 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: he was doing all types of stuff. And then like 613 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: for people that know, like, um, people know how competitive 614 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: I am? You know how competitive down strong is the 615 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: great dow I'm strong, And we would challenge him every 616 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: day and he would want to play us one on 617 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: one every day. And the words that you're saying right now, 618 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: you uhould always say to him and be like, yeah, 619 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: I'm different whatever. And when he coming out the games now, 620 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: that's what he says every day, like we're a joke, 621 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: and he'll be like, damn, I'm different, I'm different, you know, 622 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: you know, But like you know, l L was like 623 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: one of those I was like one of those people 624 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: that you know how view like a great artist and 625 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: somebody give you a canvas that's so amazing and you're like, Okay, 626 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: I can make this canvas into every anything you want. 627 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: That was one of those things. You don't have to 628 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: give him a lot of stuff to give him a 629 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: little thing, and he turned that little thing into a masterpiece, 630 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: you know. And that's what dribbling, that's what changing angles. 631 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: And like I said, the Scot's a limit for him, 632 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: you know, like and you know, to be on all 633 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,719 Speaker 1: the smoke. He wants all the smoke. So you know 634 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: he's not he's not back down. Oh boy, he wants 635 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: all of it. And he's just he's just a great playing, 636 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: great competitive and the one thing that's good, great about 637 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: he's a great person, like he's gonna you know, he's 638 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: a good kid. He listens and you know he's gonna 639 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: work his tail off and you know, he just want 640 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: to win. I brings being up to uh one of 641 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: my next question. Everybody's seeing that picture of him looking 642 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: a little bit more in shape than he's accustomed to 643 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: about playing internationally. Um, you think that's uh something that 644 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: he's working on, working on extremely taking a little bit 645 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: more serious now, working on his body so he's able to, 646 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, be the best Luca that 647 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: Luca can be. Yeah, you know, Lucas one of them, 648 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: one of them, one of them players, one of those 649 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,719 Speaker 1: people that you know he hears everything, yeah, everything, and 650 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: he's gonna make the adjust meant you know that he 651 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: sees fit and he's gonna he's gonna prove people wrong 652 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: all the time. And for for him, I just think, 653 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: you know, when when he did so much that he 654 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: did the year before, you know, of course you gotta 655 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: relax your body, you know, and stuff like that. Maybe 656 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: it's too much, maybe not, But like right now, he's 657 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: taking everything serious and he hears everything and he sees like, 658 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: what's such an impact he makes on the NBA and 659 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: on our team, and you know, you just want to 660 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: give us up to a great start next year. And 661 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna do everything possible that he came 662 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: to make sure that happens. Absolutely, being someone who gets 663 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: an opportunity to work with him, what are the some 664 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: of the kind of stuff you guys work on, Is 665 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: that anything new or the kind of fine tuning what 666 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: he already has. Now it's more, it's more fine tuning, 667 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: Like Luca came here with the package. Yeah, he came 668 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: here great. You know, he came here good. Is I 669 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: as I was jobbed to always help to make them great? 670 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. He already came here good. 671 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So if you don't make 672 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: somebody that's good great, than you're doing them a disserting 673 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: the service. So like for him, everything is just morrifined tune, 674 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Because his mind, in his mind, 675 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: you know how the great players are, they might they have, 676 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: they have things they want to get done, they have 677 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: things they want to accomplish and how they want to accomplish. 678 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: So it's just our it's just our hour. You know, 679 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: we just have to give him room to insert us 680 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: into what he wanted to do, for us to about 681 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: player development, like to get accomplished. You know, he might 682 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: come and say, yn't want to work on backdowns, I 683 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: want to work on this. I want to work on 684 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: they could be just yo. You guarded him and put 685 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: in different body types on him just so he could 686 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: see it and get the right angle. So now when 687 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,479 Speaker 1: here in the game, everything is lived and you know 688 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: he's going through the process in his mind because like 689 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: I said, like Lucas one of those he's one of 690 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: those savants, you know what I'm saying. And he got 691 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: the in factor. You know, there's a lot of great players, 692 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: but then so many great players that have the in 693 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: fact and as everybody say, he got the in fact. 694 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: The thing that you just mentioned that I loved, and 695 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: I remember Kobe talking about this, like the trainer should 696 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: never tell you what you need to work on yourself, 697 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: what you need to work on, you know what I mean? 698 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: The fact that he knows exactly what he wants to 699 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: do at his young age. I just Luka the great 700 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a good thing to watch man. Also, 701 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: it's having a guy like Sham God on the staff 702 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: who understands. You know, he was he was a maestro 703 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: with the basketball. He knows, but what what people are 704 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: reacting to or switching up to our king? Uh. Also 705 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: about having people on the staff to understand, Hey, this 706 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: dude don't need too much. He sees something we don't. 707 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: We need to try to get on the same page. So, 708 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: like you said, it's an even exchange. Like another word 709 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: you use, organic as opposed to going in there with 710 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: a playing hundred crossovers right there. Sometimes some some people 711 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: who do basketball development people they go, heywire when you 712 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: can you know they're gonna they'll they'll trip out a 713 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: little bit. You know, Sham God has always been since 714 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: I known it from ninety five, he's been able to 715 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: adjust on the fly very quickly. Like I can come 716 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: up to Sham got a ninety five there y'all teach 717 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: me to Shannon God, No, what you need is a 718 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: basic one to hit him with a cross like, no, 719 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: you don't need that. Let me give you this and 720 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna be straight. To go back work on this 721 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: and you're gonna be straight. So like I said, like 722 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: I want to take giving your Flowers and you know 723 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: as a classic class of ninety five. And let you know, 724 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,879 Speaker 1: it's not just savant talent. It's mixed with people like 725 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: you who understand the game the man. You know what 726 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: I mean? Why people think why some people you know, 727 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: savantage things. So it wasn't it doesn't work that way 728 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: without you. That's why you got it. You know, that's 729 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: why your job title change. You know that. Yeah, you check. 730 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: Like I said, I appreciate because it's like, you know, 731 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: and that's you know, like matten On this because he's 732 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: you know, deadly for so long and then you know, 733 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: like Jason Kidds and stuff like that, like the way 734 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,320 Speaker 1: Jason mind is. You know, he wants everybody to be better. 735 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. He wants everybody to continue 736 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: to grow because he's been such a giver, you know 737 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,240 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And you know, everybody can see the difference, 738 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: like how he worked with Luca this year. And then 739 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,240 Speaker 1: you got you know, a great owner and Mark Cuban, 740 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: you got you know, a great Jim and Nico have 741 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: been around, Nico has have been around basketball, got a 742 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: president the president. Yeah. Yeah, so it's like yeah, so 743 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,280 Speaker 1: it's like it's like you got you got all basketball people, 744 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: so now you know everybody gets you know, Grain Shape Jeans, 745 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: Sean Sweeney. You know, we just got Quentin So it's like, 746 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 1: you know, you just watch Peter Pattons, So you just 747 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: watch all these people and all these people know enough 748 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: to where it. Like you said, we know when the 749 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: fallback and when the push forward. You know when it 750 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: comes to every player because every player is different, like Matt, 751 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,479 Speaker 1: every player can't be told what to do. We player 752 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: camp be you know, some people that want to be 753 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: told what to do and some people that just want 754 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,839 Speaker 1: to be like, Okay, hey, this is what I want 755 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,879 Speaker 1: to work for. And it's like and you take your 756 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: ego because ain't about the sham ain't about to take 757 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: get you out of and say, okay, cool, let's let's 758 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: just get that done. Final question before you get out 759 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 1: of here. Nine five McDonald's All American team which I 760 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 1: got two members of or the nineties six team who 761 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: wins oh ninety five that ain't even close, And we 762 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: might have to carry we may we may have to 763 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: carry this conversation on WF You have a ninety six 764 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: representative here next time, like like I tell people all 765 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 1: the time, I'm never gonna argue ninety five. If it 766 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: ain't one is too got to be top right there, right, 767 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: anything anything else ain't civilized because and this is, this 768 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: is the reason, and this is this is my criteria 769 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,839 Speaker 1: for it. Right. If you look at now, you know 770 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,359 Speaker 1: and then this is not me this this consensions. Right, 771 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: So we're look at now, we probably got we got 772 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 1: the first high school player that went that went crazy KG. 773 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,839 Speaker 1: That mean it's there's been other high school players I'm 774 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 1: talking about that that went crazy KG. We argue we 775 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: got the best dunker, and we got to argue the 776 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: best driver in one class. Then we got Paul Peers, 777 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: we got July, we got We're to on Jamison, we 778 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: got Tree fa do right that people don't know like 779 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 1: hurt you know. So I'm just we had Wayne Turner, 780 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 1: that Ron Mercer, like you know that's Steph Marbury too, right, yes, 781 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: So like so we we got what I'm saying is 782 00:37:54,760 --> 00:38:00,399 Speaker 1: we got we got culture changing people that the world say. 783 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, I'm saying the world that's what 784 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 1: they say. That's what they say that people say, that's 785 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 1: what they said. Well, god man, we appreciate you. Are 786 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: you gonna be a summer league? Yeah yeah, we definitely. 787 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: We definitely got to catch up. We'll be out there 788 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 1: all weeks. We definitely gotta pull up and chop it 789 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: up a little bit and kicking. But for everyone out there, 790 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 1: Point God premieres on Showtime July twenty nine. We appreciate 791 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,439 Speaker 1: your time, Best to love. Congratulations, we got you, giving 792 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: you your flowers. Congratulations on the promotion man, and continue 793 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 1: success my brother man. I appreciate it. Thank you all 794 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 1: for having me on. Jay Broo