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Speaker 1: R and B Money.

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Speaker 2: We are.

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Speaker 3: Thanks take Malachi. We are the authority on all things.

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Speaker 4: R and B.

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Speaker 3: Land is a gentleman. My name is Tank.

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Speaker 1: I'm Valentine.

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Speaker 3: Oh and here's the old mother.

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Speaker 1: Come on real anyway on this oh no thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: alry be, come on with you.

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Speaker 3: I've seen the cries of the people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the customers, the customer, Yeah, yeah, they wanted to

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Speaker 2: see him.

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Speaker 1: You you you you you you you you you and you.

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Speaker 3: Him who sings about a woman.

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Speaker 1: Huh, the mixtape man himself, him who.

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Speaker 3: Who loves you more? You don't know who loves you?

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Speaker 3: Who loves you more?

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Speaker 4: Tell them my whole hotewn round John divide.

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Speaker 3: Whatever.

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Speaker 4: Oh, this one's special, broes, it is. This one's special, bro.

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Speaker 4: Like you know, being from the soil, bro and what

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Speaker 4: we come from, who we come from?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: And to be able to have this conversation so many

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Speaker 4: years later and this conversation still matter, it's big, bro.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's big.

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Speaker 5: I often say, man, you know, when we're doing interviews

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Speaker 5: and still hitting radio stations or just you know, talking

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Speaker 5: doing blog blogs, podcast things of that nature, to just

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Speaker 5: have it, you know, it's it's you look, you look

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Speaker 5: up twenty years later, fifteen years later, eighteen years and

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Speaker 5: you're like, man, all right, my na ain't still in

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Speaker 5: the conversation. He's still in He's still in the conversation,

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Speaker 5: you know, top ten, top whatever, you know. I think

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Speaker 5: that that's I think that's the greatest gift, you know,

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Speaker 5: the gift of longevity, you know, and mastering that. And

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Speaker 5: sometimes we could get so convoluted and focus on other

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Speaker 5: things as artists, or feel the pressure of social media

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Speaker 5: and keeping you know, or or looking at what the

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Speaker 5: next person is doing that. You know, we sometimes we

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Speaker 5: don't celebrate even our smallest wins, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 5: or what somebody else might measure something that's not such

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Speaker 5: a big win for me. Around here, we celebrate all

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Speaker 5: the wins, you know what I mean. Here I am

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Speaker 5: r B Money Podcast.

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Speaker 4: I also think, bro, like you've like even in you saying, like,

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Speaker 4: you know, keeping those blinders on and focusing on what

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Speaker 4: you do. You've been doing what you do consistently, and

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Speaker 4: everything you've added to that, every ancillary piece that you've

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Speaker 4: added to that, from foundations, your philanthropy, all that is

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Speaker 4: on brand with who you are, and it's not just artistry.

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Speaker 4: It's you the human being that has transcended time, which

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Speaker 4: is man. That's that's harder to do, you know what

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Speaker 4: I'm saying. It's easy to focus on one thing. I'm

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Speaker 4: just gonna try to nail these records. But now you're

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Speaker 4: existing in so many other spaces, and all of it

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Speaker 4: feeds each other, you know, And that's that's the congratulations

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Speaker 4: to you, brocase you you you do all of it,

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Speaker 4: and you.

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Speaker 3: Do it well.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you, my brother. Give me the I wanted.

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Speaker 4: I've always want to ask you this.

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Speaker 3: Where does Devon come from? You know?

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Speaker 5: I mean, of course you know get that from. It's

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Speaker 5: the background of slavery, of course.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: You know, I traced my roots back to being half

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Speaker 5: Camerony and the Guinea Basa and the Ticar Belanta tribes.

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Speaker 3: don't Yeah, so so African Ancestry dot Com. It is

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Speaker 5: You know, I did the DNA s wid Man to

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Speaker 5: figure out you know, where I'm from, you know, so

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Speaker 5: so technically on West Africa. Yeah, you know, and uh,

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Speaker 5: you know, shout out to all my Cameroonian family and

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Speaker 5: tribes Guinea Bassa. You know which is you know, both

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Speaker 5: so that's so that's where that's you know, that's where

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Speaker 5: I realized that my people come from. On my mother's

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Speaker 5: William Devn is my dad and we haven't when when

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Speaker 5: in actuality, we haven't been able to figure out any

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Speaker 3: Devon, Uh, what's what's uh dominant in the back?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, William Devon, Like what's the name of the group. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I think he from now from what I told you,

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Speaker 5: So, but a lot of people have thought throughout my

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Speaker 5: career like that was my dad. My dad is actually

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Speaker 5: was a you know, child prodigy cellist who was heavily

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Speaker 5: known in the in the classical.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, classical world.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's you know, husic string of ranger, composer, like

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Speaker 5: crazy with that's why you're so music. The artist he's

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Speaker 5: and they pop up like, yeah, I'm such and such.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I played the cello.

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Speaker 5: I play with you know this, yeah this orchestra, and

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Speaker 4: So, so listen, since we're going there, since we're going

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Speaker 4: to the beginning of the origin the bloodline, you know,

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Speaker 4: how early did this start for you, Where did you

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Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you.

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Speaker 5: So, so growing up, you know, Dad wasn't in my

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Speaker 5: But I would spend summers with my dad, like going,

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Speaker 5: You know, I didn't know I was doing music. If

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Speaker 3: It, you know.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, you know, you know, fast forwarding to like when

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Speaker 5: rahiem Devone, like you know is you know, up until

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Speaker 5: you know, definitely have that support system for both parents,

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Speaker 3: Know, yeah you might need to get a new bass

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Speaker 5: Just relate to, you know, or or or I could

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Speaker 5: So it wasn't until later on in my career, you know,

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Speaker 5: My dad dealt with mental health most of his adult life,

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Speaker 5: You know it could be because that was something that

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Speaker 5: I'm definitely been one of those people. Do not turn

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Speaker 5: a really it's a It's a real thing, whether whether

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so Giant So that's like a grocery store, grocery store,

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Speaker 5: But as far as jobs, man, Giant Food, Chevy, Chase Bank, telemarketing,

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Speaker 3: You get your people. Who is it are you selling?

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Speaker 3: You're trying to sell. You're trying to sell people fences, doors, windows.

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Speaker 1: So people can't knock on your doors. Yeah, so y'all

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Speaker 3: Listen. I wouldn't be here if you have for action.

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Speaker 5: So that's definitely, that is great. It's gonna be some cougars.

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Speaker 3: I would I could. I couldn't say I.

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Speaker 3: You know. I went from the register to LP Lost Prevention.

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Speaker 5: That Like my first, my first, my first, my first,

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Speaker 3: So he was coming. So his thing was he was

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Speaker 3: Oh man? That was exciting man, like that job was

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Speaker 5: So we would just go there to just kind of

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Speaker 5: to write for, you know, took a couple of trips.

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00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 5: First time I ever met Mary, her mother, you know,

442
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 5: sitting in on Faith ev you know Faith Faith Eving sessions.

443
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:21,919
Speaker 5: Chucky was like the he was he was he was

444
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 5: just to me, it was like he was he was

445
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 5: the R and B like he was, he was the guy.

446
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 5: He was like the producer God like you know what

447
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 5: I mean. It's like so it's like this is the guy,

448
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 5: Like he's right here in the city, and and and

449
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 5: and and now I got that connection. I can sit

450
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 5: here and just like learn, like like leave and I

451
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 5: ain't leaving. I'm gonna be right here, sleep something, and

452
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 5: I'm gonna get Yeah, I'm gonna be like you you

453
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 5: know what I mean. So yeah, man, that that that

454
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,919
Speaker 5: became like my I think between those things, you know,

455
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 5: doing doing bar none Monday nights became like the Bible

456
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,199
Speaker 5: for me. Doing one Wednesday open mics in Baltimore and

457
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 5: then Black Lilies and Philly. So I would just rotate

458
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,640
Speaker 5: and hit that circuit. So after a while people thought

459
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,919
Speaker 5: I was from Baltimore because I was in Baltimore at

460
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 5: least like once a week. I was in Philly at

461
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 5: least once a month, you know, a few times a month.

462
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 5: And it was my ties to bar None on Monday

463
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 5: night producer underground producer by the name of cav Brown

464
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 5: who approached me with the indie artist Si Young and.

465
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 3: Said, hey, you know who DJ Jazzy Jeff is.

466
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 5: I'm like yeah again because I'm reading the credits and

467
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 5: they're like, well, yeah, we've been working on an album

468
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 5: with him up in Philly and we just want to

469
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 5: take you to me and we think he would really like,

470
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 5: like really.

471
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 3: Like to get to know you.

472
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 5: So they take me up and I go up and

473
00:23:42,600 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 5: I meet Jeff and it's like jackpot because this is

474
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 5: a this is at the time when like the whole

475
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 5: touch of jazz movement has already been moving though, Like

476
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:14,239
Speaker 5: this is like Jill's already out platinum selling artists. I

477
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 5: want to say, like yeah, like I think music is

478
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 5: out there, he is already out at this point of course,

479
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 5: by do me being a huge roots fan, this is it.

480
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 5: And I had never been in an environment where you

481
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 5: go into a building and it's like seven, eight, ten

482
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 5: studios going at the same time you can go the

483
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 5: first first time I ever I ever met Eric Roberson

484
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 5: was was was in this advice. You got, you got,

485
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 5: you got, you got, you got carving, and I even

486
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 5: in one room you got the dall and dre. In

487
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 5: another room, you got oh my god. Like this was

488
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 5: like this was like R and B neo soul, hip

489
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 5: hop heaven.

490
00:24:58,760 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 3: And I didn't.

491
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 1: Leave one deal once again.

492
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 3: Let me go ahead.

493
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 5: You know, I got me a tooth fresh. I got

494
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 5: me some wet whites, you know what I mean. Like,

495
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 5: but I'm you know, saying close, I'm ten toes down,

496
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 5: I'm you know, back and forth.

497
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 3: You know. At this time, I have an indie group

498
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 3: that I'm part of called Urban.

499
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 5: After thirty one. We're doing college. We're doing a college circuit.

500
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 5: So I'm making enough money to you know, to to

501
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 5: to perform as an independent artist. But I never had

502
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 5: that desire to stop pursuing to be a soul and

503
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 5: R and B artist, you know. And I always kind

504
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 5: of just like straddled the line like I was. I

505
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 5: felt like I was just as much as an R

506
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 5: and B singer as a.

507
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 3: Soul artist, you know what I mean.

508
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 5: I just had this appreciation for different genres of music,

509
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 5: and being with Jeff just just intensified it because you know,

510
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 5: touring and going going overseas, eventually meeting Kenny Dope and

511
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 5: Louis Vega, who were like incredible DJ's matches at work,

512
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 5: DJ Terry Hunter, who actually produced you.

513
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 3: It just that period of my life it was. I'm

514
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 3: so thankful for it.

515
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 5: As a as a as a songwriter and as a musician,

516
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 5: as an entertainer because I got a chance to see

517
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 5: the world. I would me and Me and Me and

518
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 5: Va Skills Mass Skills hosted Jeff's like parties like.

519
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 3: He would, he would, he would.

520
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 5: I remember I remember him taking us to Spain the

521
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 5: first time were in Spain.

522
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 3: We're on the beach.

523
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 5: It's like m t V taping and he's DJing and

524
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 5: like me and Skills are like the the I guess

525
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 5: you could say that the MCS ceremonies for the You know,

526
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 5: there be things I kind of like follow with and

527
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 5: I'd be like, in all honesty, like you know, I

528
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 5: always had a I think, a natural thing for the stage,

529
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 5: but I was like following Skills, leading a lot of

530
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 5: spaces and Jeff would give me a moment. You know,

531
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 5: y'all was learning while in the process. You know what

532
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 5: I mean and yeah, man, I like just thankful for

533
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 5: those those those connections, so many, so many great relationships

534
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 5: like brotherhoods, sisterhoods, and music has come from those connections,

535
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 5: you know, when I when I when I, you know,

536
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 5: back from like Lincoln with Chucky, back from you know,

537
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 5: Lincoln with Jazzy Jeff, you know, those are definitely like

538
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 5: my ogs, you know, me and Kenny, Kenny Dope was

539
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 5: like a big brother to me, you know what I mean,

540
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 5: I wouldn't know Ken if it wasn't for Jeff.

541
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 3: You know.

542
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: Legends, yeah, man, and they just legends.

543
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 5: Man. It's just like you know, so, so I've so

544
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 5: I've always been able to thrive in other genres or

545
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 5: be part of things that unconventional things, you know what

546
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 5: I mean.

547
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: So you were so was your main thing at Touch

548
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: of Jazz was to be a writer for the stuff

549
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 1: that they were working on.

550
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.

551
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,479
Speaker 5: It was writing. It was it was writing, definitely. I

552
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 5: was just kind of just going with the flow. It

553
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 5: was definitely writing because like you, I wasn't signed. I

554
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 5: was and at the time at the time I still

555
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 5: was going back to d C because I also was

556
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 5: being was at this point, I was being managed by

557
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 5: by By Juke, By Jerry and cliff you know what

558
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 5: I mean.

559
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 3: Now I met Clifford Jerry. I met Clifford Jerry. I

560
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 3: want to say that. I mean I met Bob and

561
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 3: Kurk first.

562
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 5: I'm trying to remember how we I think we maybe

563
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 5: met at maybe like maybe like knife Flight. It could

564
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 5: have been like Knife Flight. I'm trying to remember the

565
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 5: whole how I actually met Kurt and Bob.

566
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 3: But it was Curt and Bob.

567
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 5: That like took me under date, like like oh yeah,

568
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 5: we gotta we gotta get him to the backwoods, you

569
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 5: know what I mean. So this is so this is

570
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 5: like you know, this is this is like uh, this

571
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 5: is like they got the pub deal, you know what

572
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 5: I mean. They've been you know, working with g you know,

573
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 5: I'm seeing so I'm like you got your motion going,

574
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 5: you know what i mean. So I'm so I'm just

575
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 5: kind of just like and I would just like meet

576
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 5: Kurt like at like random places, Like Kurt would be

577
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 5: like I was living like a law at the time,

578
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 5: and he would be like, yo, meet me at meet

579
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 5: me at Capitol Heights station. So I'm like taking the

580
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 5: bus to the train. I'll get you back, but you

581
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 5: gotta you know, testing me, see like how bad I wanted,

582
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So I'd get there right

583
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 5: and and and they were just it was just it

584
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 5: was just cool because it was an environment where one

585
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 5: I had to pay for studio time, I was gonna

586
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 5: learn something. And I think they were, I think they

587
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 5: were they were early impressed by the way I worked

588
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 5: because of the the fact that, like I didn't write

589
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 5: anything now, so the process is just like I would

590
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 5: just go in and listen and then go in the

591
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 5: booth and then just start to create this storyline or whatever,

592
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 5: and then and and and then and then and then

593
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 5: we knock one out and be like, hey can we

594
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 5: do another one? And they're like yeah, yeah, Like.

595
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 3: Hey can we do another?

596
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 5: And it might be like you know, it may so

597
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 5: so in some days it might be two or three

598
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 5: you know for.

599
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 3: Crash out and wake up, you know what I mean.

600
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 5: And it was just it was just, you know, it

601
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 5: was they provided a space that was just like where

602
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 5: I could just like shed and learn and grow. And

603
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 5: it wasn't too many times that like they would shot

604
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 5: shoot an idea down and be like, oh that's whack.

605
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: It was just you rock out.

606
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:43,959
Speaker 3: Just let me rock out. Yeah, that track wack. So

607
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 3: you got to work on your drums. And I think

608
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 3: it's probably you know, well you had you had.

609
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 4: What you had done is you had been to a

610
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 4: different kind of school already that I hadn't been to.

611
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 4: You know, when I got with Cliff and Jerry, I

612
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 4: was literally fresh out of chick man, I know, you

613
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 4: know what I mean. So in terms of like, you know,

614
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 4: my R and B production and figuring out even my

615
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 4: identity in an R and B space.

616
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: I had none can play a different sounds completely different.

617
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 5: And I'd say this like, you know, be like that

618
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 5: environment versus like a jazzy Jeff, It's like night and day,

619
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 5: and you would you would back then, there was already

620
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 5: a division that had kind of been created in black

621
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 5: music where it was like, okay, either you R and

622
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 5: B or you neo.

623
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 3: And my thing was like why can't can't I'm both?

624
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 3: Like why can't you? Why can't you be both?

625
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 5: So you got this so so so there was always

626
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 5: this very R and B backpack I guess you know,

627
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 5: R and B back that was there was this there

628
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 5: was this very I had this very R and B

629
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 5: one side is very jiggy vibe and then there's a

630
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 5: but then there's a there's a very conscious vibe to

631
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 5: me too, you know what I mean, Like you might

632
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 5: you might catch me with some stones on one day,

633
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 5: you might see me with some diamonds on the next day,

634
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 5: Like you know what I mean.

635
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 3: Like if that, it's just really about the vibe.

636
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 5: Of what you know what I'm on a creative yeah,

637
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 5: but so so musically again, to be in those two

638
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 5: different environments like simultaneously, like kick it, you know, be

639
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 5: in the studio with Curtain Bob for two or three

640
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 5: days and then and then jump on the train and

641
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 5: then be up in Philly with Jeff in them for

642
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 5: a week. Yeah, it's just yeah, and and and and

643
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 5: and and and and and the thing with like with

644
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 5: the Jeff, with the environment, with like Jeff being being

645
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 5: as though that he's a DJ, and the peers and

646
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 5: a lot of his peers that he put me onto

647
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 5: our DJs.

648
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 3: I learned. I learned.

649
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 5: I started to learn about this different like tempos and

650
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 5: just music beyond just the things that the DJ.

651
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: It's so important in music.

652
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: And I you know, it's funny because people when you

653
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: talk about it it's like, oh yeah, but I still

654
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: don't feel as if the DJ gets the respect that

655
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: they deserve. I mean, I mean ultimately there in other

656
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: spaces they get it. Yeah, but they're also they're really

657
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: they're the producers because they hear so much music, and

658
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: they hear so many transitions, and they know how what

659
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 2: what matching, what sound right on the radio and what

660
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: they take record.

661
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 5: Before the politics of you know, things everything getting corporated

662
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 5: out and including you know, radio and to rest your

663
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 5: radio the like DJ's that you know, they set the

664
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 5: tone for the culture, like they diy tate, you know,

665
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 5: even if it's to bring it back, you know, you know,

666
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 5: to bring that good feeling back right to say, hey,

667
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 5: this is the this is the BPM that that matters

668
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 5: right now, you know, the ones that break the records

669
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 5: and just just all of that. You know. So just

670
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 5: being in those two environments was just like it was dope,

671
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 5: man and really important, you know. But I but I

672
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 5: still didn't, you know, going and working it just wasn't enough.

673
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 5: So so one day I cornered Cliff and Jerry. I

674
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 5: think I cornered Jerry at like Omega Studios in Rockville, Maryland,

675
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 5: and I'm like, you know, I'm still kind of in

676
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 5: between odd jobs. I just know it's something more and

677
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 5: I know that I know the data plug, you know

678
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 5: what I mean. So so I'm like, yo, I want

679
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 5: to I want to do music like I want you to.

680
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 5: I want you to manage me like I want you

681
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 5: to manage me. And he was like, I, you know,

682
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 5: kind of I think he was came him out of

683
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 5: conversation with or like let me think about it, whatever,

684
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 5: and and and then I just jumped out and I

685
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 5: was like, and if it's any opportunities to same background

686
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 5: vir ginuine, I want to do that too, or whatever.

687
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 3: Like I was feeling balls.

688
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 5: And then I got the call and it was let's

689
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 5: say it was on a Tuesday, and it was like

690
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 5: and I think I I think I kind of been

691
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 5: you know, I went around, I met G. I had

692
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 5: met G know G at this point, you know, and

693
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 5: and and and and you know and G and Jerry

694
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 5: used the introduction as a means to say like, hey,

695
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,479
Speaker 5: this is this like this the kid I've been telling

696
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 5: you about. He may be interested, you know, we may

697
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 5: bring him on to do some work that. So then

698
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 5: I get the call. They had a show like in Baltimore,

699
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 5: and it was like a Tuesday was like, Yo, so

700
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 5: there's a show tomorrow night.

701
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 3: It's gonna be there.

702
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 5: You're gonna this is you want to sing background, it's

703
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 5: your opportunity. Like so, I'm like, is there a rehearsals? Like?

704
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 3: Nah, what I need to learn? All three albums?

705
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 5: I was already I was already a fan the music. Yeah,

706
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 5: I knew the music. I knew the music. I'm reading again,

707
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 5: you know, I'm looking at the who did what static?

708
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 5: I'm like trying to figure out who you know what

709
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm trying to figure it all out right.

710
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 5: So I pull up, we we we, I.

711
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 3: Pull up to the show. You know, they got the

712
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 3: hand dog flying. It's like.

713
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 5: And I'm like yo, and and so so that was

714
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 5: my ricking red with this was this was this was

715
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 5: this was my this was my audition.

716
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 3: Our whole Lives concert.

717
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 5: Yeah it is and and and and uh and then

718
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 5: you know, after we were done. I remember coming in

719
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 5: and she was like he was like he was nervous,

720
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 5: he was scared.

721
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 3: He was he was like, Noah, you did you did good.

722
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 5: He was like man, he was like he's all right, man,

723
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 5: you win or whatever and then and then you know,

724
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 5: and that and that was my in my introduction to

725
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 5: the music business singing background from GST Listen.

726
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: Podcast.

727
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 5: And and I already know the history, so I already

728
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 5: know you know, like you know, you had already went

729
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 5: through the machine of that, you know what I mean.

730
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 5: So I'm like, oh, man, I want that, I said,

731
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 5: so so on my mom, I'm like, yo, if he

732
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 5: could do it, I could do it too, Like you

733
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, you know, you know, you know

734
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 5: what I mean, And and and and and man, man,

735
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 5: I learned a lot. I had a lot of fun.

736
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 5: And this is and this say, this is g like

737
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 5: in this prime. This is like before we go on

738
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 5: tour with like Jaded Jackson and Seek and just like

739
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 5: all all the things, you know what I mean. Yeah, man,

740
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 5: that experience man, and I and you know, and to

741
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 5: go on the record and say that like he is

742
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 5: one of the greatest entertainers man. That like if you're

743
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 5: talking about Roses in terms of stage performance and being

744
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 5: on and just like you know, like I had a

745
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 5: front row seat and and and definitely I think I

746
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 5: think a combination of that.

747
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 3: Of course, our ties at home and as it relates to.

748
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 5: The go go community and just and knowing the energy

749
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 5: of the room when go gos happened, and and and

750
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 5: how how how the bar is set for the entertainment aspect,

751
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 5: the exchange of energy that like you know, from artists

752
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 5: to music lever and back and forth. Like I've been

753
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 5: able to pull from pull from that, and and and

754
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 5: and and and put it into what I do, you know,

755
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 5: like you know, the artistry of being on stage and performing.

756
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: How long were you on the road with you, man?

757
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 5: I think we I think what he did, I did.

758
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 5: I was on the road with g at least for

759
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 5: like I want to say, maybe two years, like you know,

760
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 5: off and on, you know, talking about touring, spot date stuff.

761
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 5: And then I remember doing a tour and there was

762
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 5: a there was there was another young brother.

763
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 3: That came in to do background singing.

764
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 5: And he came in and he was the new guy,

765
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 5: so he was like the rookie, and I remember kind

766
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 5: of taking him in under the wing and he yeah,

767
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 5: he kind of like falling my you know, kind of

768
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 5: fall on my hands, you know what I mean. And

769
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 5: and and then I remember seeing like the process of

770
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 5: where you can be out there and that shit can

771
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 5: change you too, you know what I mean? And and

772
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 5: and I and I also and I also I also

773
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 5: quickly learned that, like, you know, being in a position

774
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 5: like that, you're gonna have people that like really depend

775
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 5: on you, right, And I had to make a decision

776
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 5: to say whether or not, you know, do I want

777
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 5: to be Is this something that I want to do permanently?

778
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 5: Is it something that I want to do for three years?

779
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 5: Is this something that I want to like like not

780
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 5: do and pursue like figure figure figure out my thing?

781
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 5: And I just remember being on that that particular tour

782
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 5: and just having an epiphany that like, like, yo, this

783
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,959
Speaker 5: is gonna be my last you know, this is gonna

784
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 5: be my last tour, like like I wanted, like it's

785
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 5: trying to you know, they had to push him out.

786
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 3: You're better than me, I had and look and I

787
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 3: and I and I and I and I and I

788
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 3: and then it.

789
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 5: Was some stuff that happened, you know what I'm saying, Well,

790
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 5: it it's like yo, like, yeah, I ain't trying to

791
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 5: do this no more not And it wasn't for it

792
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 5: wasn't because of g you know what I'm saying. It

793
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 5: was just like, yeah, this ain't this ain't I want

794
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 5: to be I want to see what the other side

795
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 5: of this feel like too, you know what I mean.

796
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 5: And that ain't no disrespect to nobody that stays because

797
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 5: you know, just jumping off of this tour with Lettocy, right,

798
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 5: you realize and I'm sure you can relate to this

799
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 5: that whether whether it's the band or the Light Man

800
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 5: or the m D or like, like, man, we can't

801
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 5: do this ship without ourselves. I mean, we can't do

802
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 5: this shit without other people.

803
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 3: Being being involved. You know what I mean. It's no

804
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 3: it's no I in the world tea.

805
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, so so so to have you know, you know,

806
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 5: there's some there's people in my circle that I look

807
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 5: up that's like, you know, been around a decade longer whatever.

808
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 5: They see me go through management, they see me work,

809
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 5: go through these different business.

810
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 3: Transitions, and they're still here.

811
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 5: And I'm like, I'm like, man, it's crazy to see

812
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 5: you dedicate your life to me in this way.

813
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 3: Mm hm, you you know what I mean, Like that that.

814
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 5: Level, that level of commitment, you know what I mean.

815
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 5: And and again, so I think you know, the time,

816
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 5: for the period of time that I was out there

817
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 5: with g it served its purpose, Like I look, you know,

818
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 5: I'm so thankful for it to that ship. It ain't

819
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 5: I can hear, I could be in the I can

820
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 5: be in a I can be anywhere, and A and

821
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 5: a dude and a G record to come on. It's

822
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 5: like it's like it's like being shell shocked, man. But

823
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 5: but like some of the best times of my life

824
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 5: on the road total rock star R and B rock

825
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 5: star moments. Man, like this before, the before, the the

826
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 5: you know, the I G before and the social media

827
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 5: and the phones and just like all of that, man,

828
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 5: like just you know, just memories man.

829
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 3: You know valuable though, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, because that

830
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 3: was a that was a that was a.

831
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 4: Real school genuine wasn't a guy that that hoarded the

832
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 4: information or even the spotlight for that matter.

833
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 3: He was like he genuine was like, let's get it.

834
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 4: That's giddy. Yeah, it's giddy. You get some of this.

835
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 5: My first video he pulled up, Yeah, did a cameo

836
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,959
Speaker 5: in the video. I feel like we needed we needed,

837
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 5: we needed a vehicle for I think another another video.

838
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 3: He gave us a car to youse Like he just.

839
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 5: Always been solid man, you know, and and you know,

840
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 5: I definitely you know again you want you can't you know,

841
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 5: I don't know.

842
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 3: I'll say it. You can't.

843
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 5: You can't talk Usher Chris Brown. We can go down

844
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 5: the list and not talk about g.

845
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 3: Chimberlake.

846
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 4: They finally got in the same room in Atlanta and

847
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 4: seeing Genuine and Chris Brown in the same moment at

848
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 4: the same time, like like I almost got emotional because

849
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 4: of how how close in spirit and animal them two.

850
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 3: Guys are bro Like, yeah, you want to talk, you

851
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 3: know you want.

852
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 5: We're talking roses and we're talking like talent and we're

853
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 5: talking dancing and we're talking like entertaining and diving out

854
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 5: in the crowd and just like like we're talking. We're

855
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 5: talking like you pull up to the hotel and they

856
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 5: wrapped around the ready.

857
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 3: Read it's hell left, Hell left.

858
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 5: Like you're talking, you talking, You're talking like R and

859
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 5: B movie the nineties, what you see or what you

860
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 5: would think.

861
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 3: It has to be a movie. Man, Listen, I'm doing Listen.

862
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 5: Week between the two of us, we like we got movie.

863
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 3: Yeah on the wine and me to the grade with it.

864
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, It's understood, don't need to

865
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 5: be Yeah, we gotta we gotta tell tell the movie.

866
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, the saving for the for the movie.

867
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 5: What we do because he's he's one of one, Yeah

868
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 5: for sure.

869
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 4: Man, So get me from because you said genuine pulled

870
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 4: up to the first video, Get me to the first love?

871
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 3: How do we get how do we get the deal?

872
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 5: So so okay, So so again I'm going back and

873
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,439
Speaker 5: forth from I'm I'm working on what what what would

874
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 5: be the love experience at the time, not knowing, you

875
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 5: know what I mean. A lot of the songs that

876
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 5: I recorded with Curtin Bob in the Backwoods made that,

877
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 5: you know, work that that was a love experience, and

878
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 5: and and the reject and and and the other half

879
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 5: of us what I did in Philly, you know, like

880
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 5: with Jeff you know what I mean.

881
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 3: Cliff Cliff Jones goes into.

882
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 5: Uh Job Records at the time for a totally different meaning,

883
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 5: like to a whole nother artist. And he was meeting

884
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 5: with Jamie Jimmy Mainis at the time and who who

885
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 5: eventually became my A and R. They meet, he's playing records,

886
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 5: he plays he plays a record that I that I

887
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 5: did or demo, don't know what the record was, and

888
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 5: and and then he plays something else and He's like, yo,

889
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 5: go back to the other thing, like what was that?

890
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 5: And that kind of kept happening in the meeting, and

891
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 5: you know, I think Jimmy kind of like simultaneous like

892
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 5: steps out, makes a call to DC, you know, hey,

893
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 5: yours anything about this kid, Rahien? And and at this point,

894
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 5: like I'm buzzing like the piece of man at home

895
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 5: because because I'm already moving around like I'm moving around

896
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 5: like I'm doing, people are already familiar with me with

897
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 5: the open mics, like you know, I'm in this, I'm

898
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 5: in I'm in two groups that's like socially conscious groups. Yeah,

899
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 5: I'm in Urban at thirty one. I'm in the Crossroads

900
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 5: with West Felton, which is a duo group. I'm hitting

901
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 5: this open mic. I'm up in Philly with Jeff. I'm

902
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 5: in the Backwoods with Kurt. Yeah, so so so so

903
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 5: so they say, Yo, we want them to come up

904
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 5: and do a showcase.

905
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 3: So I get a call and Mayo.

906
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 5: This is after we've hit like every label, like you know,

907
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 5: a couple of times we thought we had to deal already.

908
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, so I'm calling. So I'm so why

909
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 3: all this is going up going on?

910
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 5: You know, every so often I'm getting a call from

911
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 5: like Juke or Cliff and it's like, yo, r c

912
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 5: A want to come once you come meet with him

913
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 5: due showcase. So we're getting up, were calling up Bob,

914
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 5: were taking the train up, we do the showcase. And

915
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 5: they'll be like yeah, you know, and then and then

916
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 5: and then and if they be like right there and

917
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 5: it don't happen. Right, So at this point we think

918
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 5: we pretty much have exhausted all the possibilities of who

919
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 5: can call and who wants to meet and then and

920
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 5: then job record says they.

921
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 3: Want me to come do the showcase.

922
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: So do you second guess that?

923
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 3: Never?

924
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 5: Not, not at all because because this again love that

925
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 5: like I'm on five, I'm already doing shows, our show,

926
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 5: sixty minute joints for you. It's just another yeah, it's

927
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 5: just another thing. So it's just like so it's an opportunity.

928
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 5: So they so they say so they kind of like

929
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 5: pre prap me, like, hey, this is you know, this

930
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 5: is it. This is just just you know this, you

931
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 5: know you you don't get no bigger than this. And

932
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 5: the people that's in the meeting at the showcase, you're

933
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 5: only going to do like three tunes.

934
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 3: That's it.

935
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 5: I end up performing for like sixty minutes where they

936
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 5: were just like, yo, don another another, listen more they

937
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 5: and at that point they were like, yo, we want

938
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 5: to do a deal with you, Like we want to

939
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 5: offer you a deal. When to offer you a record deal?

940
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 5: When your publishing deal. I think I said something like

941
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 5: I said something like all right, cool. All I'm saying

942
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 5: is like, you know, if y'all make fifty, can I

943
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 5: at least make five or something like that? Everybody can'd

944
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 5: bust out laughing and then and then yeah, man, like

945
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 5: it really, you know, it got real.

946
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 3: We got real, We got real.

947
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 5: Okay, my brother, she got over there. Man, listen, man,

948
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 5: you know Raheem is here man, so.

949
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: You know I had you know, he got the information.

950
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 4: You don't have to get to this Piana, the Piana

951
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 4: brother Raheem.

952
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 5: M hm.

953
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 4: You've been privy to a lot of great music as

954
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 4: you are from the soil. Indeed, you've written some of

955
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 4: your own break music. But now we want to talk

956
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 4: about the music.

957
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 5: That has.

958
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 3: Inspired the divine. Yeah.

959
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, the people want to know what they want to know.

960
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: What the people want to know?

961
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 3: People want to.

962
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: See people me.

963
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, top fun yeah, your top five.

964
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: That's right, that's where we at. That's where we at.

965
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 4: Fun.

966
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 3: Come on saying your top fun.

967
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: That's what the sing Yeah what else are so come on?

968
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:54,439
Speaker 5: We all to know you got to show West.

969
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 3: Yes, R yes.

970
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 5: Five yeah yeah, and this is your top five moment

971
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 5: with the Less King of sold R and B rahoem

972
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 5: divie dialog dialog dialog R.

973
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 3: Yes, your top five R and B singers.

974
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 5: Oh man, I'm gonna play in no particular, no particular

975
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 5: your world.

976
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 3: I'm gonna play.

977
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,439
Speaker 5: I'm gonna put a ritha Franklin on there. Yeah yeah,

978
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 5: but you better bea Franklin on there. I'm gonna put

979
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 5: I'm gonna put Mic on there.

980
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 3: Why not all four voices? Mm hmmm.

981
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 5: I'm putting Mic on there for for for for a

982
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 5: couple of reasons. I'm gonna put a wild card and

983
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 5: I'm gonna put Bob Olly on there.

984
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 3: Yeah mm hmm yeah, i'mnna put the infectious vocal man.

985
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 3: That's three right, Yeah, damn.

986
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 5: I realized the hardest well episodes was like run it off.

987
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 3: Once you're in the hot seat.

988
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: It's different, it's different.

989
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 3: It is different.

990
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 5: It's different when you're in the hot seat. I mean,

991
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 5: these are my top five. I gotta put prints on there.

992
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, mm hmmm.

993
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 3: And I got and then I gotta put Margaret.

994
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 4: I was waiting for that. Yeah, I was waiting for

995
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 4: you to say Mark, and.

996
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 5: It's and it's and you know it's personal. Yeah, reasons,

997
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 5: you know what I mean?

998
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, your top five.

999
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 5: My uniable mention, I mean seven, I mean I gotta

1000
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 5: do you know Stevie? Yeah, yeah, And I'm gonna stop there. Okay, okay, stop, okay.

1001
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 3: That was good. That was good.

1002
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 5: Now now now, if you're talking entertainers and just the

1003
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 5: other different your top.

1004
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 3: Five R and B songs mm hmm. I'd go with.

1005
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 5: Blame It on the Sun mm hmm by Stevie, Wonder

1006
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 5: What's going On by Marvin Gay mm hmm.

1007
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 4: Uh.

1008
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 3: I don't know if that counts R and B. I'm

1009
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 3: gonna go with Uh. I'm gonna go with.

1010
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 5: H Let's fall in Love by the Ozzie Brothers, which

1011
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 5: I just remade top top fifteen right now, top ten.

1012
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 3: Take it out the way he is, the way.

1013
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 1: He's always in the way.

1014
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 3: It's a D n B thing. You know what I'm saying.

1015
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 3: You know, what I mean. All right, So so those

1016
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 3: are what that three? That's three? What was my three?

1017
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 3: Just now?

1018
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 5: It's just like, uh, I used to smoke a lot

1019
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:55,240
Speaker 5: of weeta. Uh wonder yeahs blaming on the sun.

1020
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: What's going on?

1021
00:53:56,120 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 3: What's going on? Going on? Marvin Gay? Uh? Brother brothers.

1022
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 3: We are the world? Wow?

1023
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Fire, You're the first person in the name we are.

1024
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 2: We are the work Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean the

1025
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 2: greatest selling all times.

1026
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 3: Big Yeah.

1027
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 5: We are the technical and the commodore zoom, the common door.

1028
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1029
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 5: And I'm so mad because I want to say, like

1030
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 5: I got like I got like Switch records.

1031
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 3: You're making him happy. I got switched right, I got

1032
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 3: I got, I got I got.

1033
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 5: Uh not that I got Spinners, I got the Spinners.

1034
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 3: What's the least single from the Spinners?

1035
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 1: We're talking about Cadillac?

1036
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 5: He was, he was, he was, He was like a finisher.

1037
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 5: I think I feel like Rob study him a lot.

1038
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 3: Uh.

1039
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 5: The lead singer from the Spinner from Yeah, from you,

1040
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 5: not from the Spinders from because the Spinners.

1041
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 3: Was Yeah, no is the Spinners. It was a mighty love.

1042
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 3: What's the lead singer on the Spinners?

1043
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 5: Man?

1044
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 3: I can't it won't come to me, right. But I saw,

1045
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 3: I saw, I saw, I saw, I saw.

1046
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 5: There was like a documentary on him and the Spender.

1047
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 5: But the finisher Man, he's the finisher of records.

1048
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I think, I think, I think,

1049
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 3: I think. You know those.

1050
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 4: Bobby Steel Smith, Yeah, was it Bobby maybe Bobby Smith

1051
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 4: principal lead singer, Yeah, for the Spinner, Yeah, yeah, Googles.

1052
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 4: But I think you know, we're in, We're we're in.

1053
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 5: We're in the era now it's kind of harder to

1054
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 5: termine who's who because things are like sonically a lot

1055
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 5: the same. We talked the newer R and B you

1056
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, the vibe, whereas like the bbs,

1057
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, and and and but but

1058
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 5: but but but there was an error you know with artists.

1059
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 2: Just sounds like very distinct, you know what I'm saying,

1060
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 2: Like like there was a time where it wasn't like woman.

1061
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 3: He wasn't gonna catch Rick James sounded like Prince, you

1062
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.

1063
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,919
Speaker 1: And if you call Prince sounded like Rick James, James

1064
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:27,479
Speaker 1: is gonna pull.

1065
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 5: Up closer, like the closest thing you they may have

1066
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 5: in common is the heels or the you know what

1067
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 5: I'm saying.

1068
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1069
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: I know you stole left from nigga.

1070
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean.

1071
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 4: So yeah, stepping on my toes.

1072
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 3: You heard stepping on my toes nigga. Yeah, Yeah, Jerald

1073
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 3: was cold. We got to get back to that Jerald.

1074
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 3: I seen Gerald rest is soul. Jerald.

1075
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 5: We was I forgot. We was like an ample theater.

1076
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 5: And Gerald used to have him teddy bears. So he

1077
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 5: get those cheddy bears out and girl went from one

1078
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 5: into the stage and.

1079
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 3: He rolled.

1080
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 5: What you mean like like like like roll like yeah,

1081
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 5: like like he was on fire, like like from one

1082
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 5: up the state and singing, singing the whole time.

1083
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 4: I will be rolling on the Army Money Tour and

1084
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 4: the big homie crazy bro to roll. Yeah, he was

1085
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 4: the one, not the two man. Let's build your Vultron,

1086
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 4: your super r and b artists. I want to know

1087
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 4: who's gonna get who You're gonna get the vocal from

1088
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 4: the performance style, the styling, the passion of the artists.

1089
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 4: And since you are a song writer, who's gonna write

1090
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 4: for this artist? We're gonna get the one vocal from

1091
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 4: to build your super R and B artist in terms

1092
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 4: of like who's building a super artist?

1093
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 3: What voice? What voice? You still in the building. I'm still.

1094
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: Ship man.

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00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 5: You asked all the other people this, Yeah, who vocals?

1096
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 3: Whose voice? I'm stilling to do it? Build it, you

1097
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 3: build it, build it.

1098
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 2: Uh.

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00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 5: Ship let's be let's live out the box. I'm gonna

1100
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 5: I'm gonna take's voice.

1101
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 3: No box. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean like you know, yeah,

1102
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 3: that's that's that's international.

1103
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: You want to heal somebody.

1104
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 4: Let's do you talk about a vibe before it was

1105
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 4: even called a vibe, we.

1106
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 3: Don't even know what to call the angel. There's something.

1107
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 5: So let's do performance style on stage, performance style on stage.

1108
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: Let's do Prince Okay's voice Prince performance. So it's gonna play.

1109
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 4: Because listen, because Prince said, the vibe a lot of

1110
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 4: different vibes though I used to get hes gonna set

1111
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 4: the vibe.

1112
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 3: He's gonna take you on a on a He's gonna

1113
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 3: make you wanna play patty Cake.

1114
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 5: He gonna he's gonna you know what I'm saying, He's

1115
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 5: gonna make you wanna touch yourself. Yeah, he's gonna know

1116
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 5: but he's gonna also get You're gonna give you moment.

1117
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 5: He's gonna give you tear Jersey, the moments where you cry,

1118
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 5: you're gonna you're gonna you know, you're gonna connect with

1119
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 5: God up in there, you know what I mean.

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00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, he's gonna give you.

1121
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 5: He's gonna give you moments if do you appreciate the

1122
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 5: instrumentation and there's no vocals.

1123
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 3: You don't get your rock and roll ro like, you

1124
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 3: know what I mean?

1125
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 5: So yes, I would So I would say styling, styling.

1126
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 5: I would say, Briar Stinson, who is good my people?

1127
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 5: If you know real styling? Yeah yeah, yeah, she made

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00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 5: this this leather piece right here.

1129
00:59:58,320 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.

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01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, so b I would say, you know she came

1131
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 5: up under like Tamika Foster. Yeahma as well, you know

1132
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 5: what I mean. So like, yeah, I would think, yeah,

1133
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 5: she would have her taking care of her, taken care

1134
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 5: of the stops. She's gonna have a band, she's gonna

1135
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 5: have an artist looking like yeah, you know from you

1136
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:20,439
Speaker 5: name it, from us.

1137
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 3: The Lizo or whoever.

1138
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 5: Like she's killing it and she she's a black own business.

1139
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 5: So you know, shout out the bridge bre he.

1140
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 4: Look piece, the passion of the artist, heart of the artists,

1141
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 4: the passion of the artists.

1142
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 5: Does it have to be an R and B artist

1143
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 5: could be Okay, so your ship, the passion of fantage shoes,

1144
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 5: fantas shoes, kick them off, fan.

1145
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 3: Swept the hair outage.

1146
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 2: Hit every note while you're doing crazy legendary get on

1147
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 2: my nerve?

1148
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, so cold? And who's writing for this artist?

1149
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 3: Leon Ware?

1150
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 5: You're gonna write this drops Mike, the sensual Minister. Yeah,

1151
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 5: rest in peace, he said.

1152
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 3: Forever forever with the sensual Minister leon Ware. I spent

1153
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 3: that I spent the old day.

1154
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: Will Yeah, what she got over there champ.

1155
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 3: Here?

1156
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 1: It's that time.

1157
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 3: I ain't saying no, nick, I ain't saying no. Next

1158
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 3: saying no. I ain't saying no. Was what you did? No,

1159
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 3: I ain't saying no name.

1160
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: I think you got to make a go go version.

1161
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 3: I sharing no name you give me.

1162
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: I think you gotta make a go go version of

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01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: that song too.

1164
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, we gotta take up in here.

1165
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 3: I say what I said, what now? No no name?

1166
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 3: Hold it now now, no name?

1167
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 5: Say no names out side of here?

1168
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 3: Say what now? No name? Shout the big G from

1169
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 3: B y B.

1170
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 2: The go go version man, I listen, I'm here with

1171
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 2: my brothers from the DV.

1172
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 3: But I had to requested answers to say what say

1173
01:02:58,720 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 3: what now.

1174
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: To start saying sexy ladies.

1175
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, just hold sexy ladies out there. Yes, indeed,

1176
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 3: that's the old school talking boy. You gotta do what

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01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 3: you know. I got go go band, Go go man?

1178
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 3: How many group I gotta go? God?

1179
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: Even any more groups than Johnny Gills?

1180
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 5: Like Yo, got I got a go go band. We

1181
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 5: called the Crank Crusaders. We do shows when I'm off.

1182
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 5: You know when I crank Cruise Crusaders.

1183
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 3: I know you're cooking too. Bob just sent me some

1184
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 3: some joints from backyard to do too. Yeah, that's got

1185
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 3: the cook Okay, give me get so.

1186
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're at the very important segment of the show.

1187
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 2: I ain't saying no names. Will you tell us a

1188
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 2: story funny or fucked up? Are funny and fucked up

1189
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 2: throughout your travels in this thing, man, in all your

1190
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 2: fifty seven groups that you'd have been in.

1191
01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 3: I ain't saying no names.

1192
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: Oh he could, right, but but but I can't.

1193
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 3: But but I could have been on.

1194
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 5: I was, I was, I was I was baited to

1195
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 5: be on one of the largest reality shows to play

1196
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 5: someone's boyfriend.

1197
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 3: Okay, and.

1198
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 5: The woman that I was dating at the time that

1199
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 5: I'm not saying her name that everybody on the planet knows,

1200
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 5: was like what.

1201
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 3: You was not fit to go do that? Like, you

1202
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 3: ain't going to do that reality show?

1203
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: Like that ain't happening, So you thought about doing the show?

1204
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 3: Now you know what it's like.

1205
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 5: I never, I never, I never considered doing the reality show.

1206
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 5: It was it was the thought of what it gave me,

1207
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 5: what it would give me, access to visibility, you know

1208
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. And that's always a challenge, right. And

1209
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 5: as bad as I and I am doing some this

1210
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 5: some some television and things happening films, you know, I've

1211
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 5: done a few movies and stuff like that, right, But

1212
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 5: it ain't about you know, typically when you do reality TV,

1213
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 5: it's for one of three reasons. It's one, it's for

1214
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 5: the visibility, of course, if it's something involving dating, it's

1215
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 5: because you're actually looking to to publicly date and you

1216
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 5: want to be part of that machine. Right, And it's

1217
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 5: for money, you know what I mean, right, And you know.

1218
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 3: Money.

1219
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 5: Never I've never been I never made a decision based

1220
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 5: upon like money, Like that's you know, when you make

1221
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 5: a decision based upon the bag, you might make some

1222
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 5: of the worst decisions of your life, you know what

1223
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 5: I'm saying.

1224
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 3: So just saying like you know about the money, right, And.

1225
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 5: Then you know, I've always just been, like I think

1226
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 5: because of being a parent, being you know, so I've

1227
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 5: been conscientious about just what I want to be perceived,

1228
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 5: and just like having a have a conversation, you know

1229
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 5: what I'm saying with my son, Uh, that might but

1230
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 5: you know, anything that's compromising in that space. And and

1231
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 5: then more poorly though, like you know, I know what

1232
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 5: I want to be, and in every other aspect of

1233
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 5: my career, I make control. Like I'm my own boss,

1234
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, own masters, you know, you

1235
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 5: know what I mean, you know what I mean. And

1236
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 5: then and then and then I still understand the culture

1237
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:33,439
Speaker 5: of like the mystique of you know, there's something that's

1238
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 5: there's an art to still there's an art to being

1239
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 5: to being accessible but not accessible that comes with you know,

1240
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 5: with what we do in social media. And it's crazy

1241
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 5: because people can just like you know, it's this concept

1242
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 5: of like oh, I follow you, I like your picture,

1243
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:54,479
Speaker 5: and then somebody run up on you and be like, yo.

1244
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 3: Hey you remember me, Like hey, I'm your friend or whatever.

1245
01:06:59,200 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 3: And it's not that.

1246
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 5: It's not that that that's not the case, right, but

1247
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 5: you know, a lot of what we do and see

1248
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 5: is the perception of the reality of it.

1249
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. So you know what I mean.

1250
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 3: You know, at the end of the day, we're just

1251
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 3: all human trying to exist, and but we also like

1252
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 3: being a public figure is a different thing. You know

1253
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

1254
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 5: You gotta you gotta think it out, you know what

1255
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 5: I'm saying. I just try to think out the worst

1256
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 5: case in best case scenario and everything. So you know

1257
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, not knocking nobody who's done one or

1258
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 5: or you know, you got you know, do to just

1259
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 5: how we talk about using it, using you know, the

1260
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 5: DSPs to the you know smarter or wiser, you know,

1261
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 5: algorithm wise or what platform works best for us musically,

1262
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 5: you know, we have to that that applies to you know,

1263
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 5: television and the decisions that I'm gonna make that like

1264
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 5: especially if you're going like this, because you make the

1265
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 5: wrong move and then you're looking crazy. Crash they all

1266
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 5: come crashing down, you know what I mean. So shout

1267
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 5: out to her and them and all the names we never.

1268
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 3: Mentioned ye.

1269
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 4: With my brother Raheem Devon. Yeah, you know, I appreciate you, man,

1270
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:19,640
Speaker 4: We appreciate you. You know, I've I've always looked at

1271
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 4: you as a brother, you know what I'm saying, As

1272
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,599
Speaker 4: I mean as a family member more so because it's

1273
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 4: like we literally we literally walked damn near the same

1274
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 4: same walk and journey, and I think I think, you know,

1275
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 4: I think you were smarter early on in your journey

1276
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 4: than I was, Like the way you were able to

1277
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 4: utilize things and create the mixtapes and things like that.

1278
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 4: Like I commend you for that, brother, like you you

1279
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 4: really like you really like took control of that thing

1280
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 4: in a way that I had no concept about that

1281
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 4: early in the game.

1282
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1283
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:57,600
Speaker 4: But you know, we come from that terrain and we

1284
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 4: come from that place man where you know its like

1285
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:05,640
Speaker 4: you said, it's like a love hate relationship, you know

1286
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:07,640
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, depending on how you can view it,

1287
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 4: and as a as a brother from that place.

1288
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 3: With you, I love you brother than you I love

1289
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 3: you too, man, and and thank you for that.

1290
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 4: I want nothing but the best for you. And and

1291
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 4: at some point, you know what I'm saying, we got

1292
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 4: to figure out how to this is. This is the

1293
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 4: first step in the people seeing us together, no doubt,

1294
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And now I think the

1295
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:32,679
Speaker 4: city needs to see more of that. Oh no, for sure,

1296
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.

1297
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 3: And here we get in that. We get in that

1298
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:39,679
Speaker 3: dojo and put something but also do some touring and yeah,

1299
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 3: man like like they deserve that. Man.

1300
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 4: And we done worked hard enough man, in between the

1301
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 4: both of us, man to put something cool together, something

1302
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 4: ship man.

1303
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 3: So you know, I think I think I get people

1304
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 3: what they want. Get people. Man, that's the gentleman.

1305
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 1: Not even take Valentine.

1306
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 3: And this is the R and B Money podcast, the

1307
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 3: authority all things R and B. And this has been him, man,

1308
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 3: This has been my brother from another mother.

1309
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 5: Man.

1310
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:11,599
Speaker 3: This is one of the MP's finance of all times,

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