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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome on it. Everybody, Clay Travis and

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show gets going right now. Appreciate you joining

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Speaker 1: us from all across the land. We had quite a

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Speaker 1: day on a Friday as the first of the Twittergate

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Speaker 1: files were dropped. Matt Taiebe, a left wing journalist who

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Speaker 1: decided that he was going to continue to do this

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Speaker 1: thing known as journalism despite what it has become. Two

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Speaker 1: Democrats released released a bunch of internal communications for Twitter.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna break this down for you in a moment.

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Speaker 1: It's a massive story and it's just beginning to Yulon

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Speaker 1: has already said there will be more of these revelations.

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Speaker 1: So it's clearly verified coming from within Twitter. And this

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Speaker 1: is exactly what Clay and I been saying we were

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Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing, hoping to see all along. Plus,

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Speaker 1: you got Fox News reporting more than seventy three thousand

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Speaker 1: illegal immigrants evaded border patrol just in the month of November,

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Speaker 1: so you're looking at about six hundred thousand gotaways in

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Speaker 1: fiscal year twenty twenty two that we know about. Talk

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Speaker 1: about what's going on down to the border blossros back

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Speaker 1: DA in Philadelphia, Larry Krasner is asking a court to

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Speaker 1: stop the impeachment proceedings against him because it turns out

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Speaker 1: that people eventually sometimes do get tired of being bludgeoned

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Speaker 1: with lead pipes by lunatics on the streets of their

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Speaker 1: own cities, and sometimes they don't want the Progressive DA

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Speaker 1: who lets those people go to continue to stay in

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Speaker 1: that role. So we've got a lot to dive into today,

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Speaker 1: plus the latest on all the machinations from within the GOP.

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Speaker 1: But Clay, I want to start with this. You and

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Speaker 1: I have both been fired off about this all throughout

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Speaker 1: the weekend. I usually try to take the weekend off

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Speaker 1: of Twitter. I know you've got a lot of sports stuff,

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Speaker 1: so you're plugged in and you're you're ready to go

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Speaker 1: The emails drop on Friday. We haven't talked about it

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Speaker 1: yet on this show. The short version is that the

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden laptop suppression within Twitter was something that they

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Speaker 1: knew was based on a bogus premise. They also clearly

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Speaker 1: bidding of the DNC and the Biden campaign. And this

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Speaker 1: is just the very beginning of it. A lot of

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Speaker 1: people are saying, this looks like a rigged election in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, This looks like collusion between big tech and

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Speaker 1: the Democrat Party, and there could even be bright red

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Speaker 1: line violations or the First Amendment when all said and done,

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Speaker 1: based on what the White House actually did the Biden

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Speaker 1: this just hammering home everything that you thought all along?

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Speaker 1: It hammers home everything I thought all along. But what

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Speaker 1: it does is provide the rest seats buck because your

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Speaker 1: and mine expectation of what was going on the relationship

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Speaker 1: between big tech and the Democrat Party could be surmised

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Speaker 1: based on the results, but we didn't have the hard

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Speaker 1: and faster seats, the data, the smoking gun evidence of

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Speaker 1: in general. So I was thinking, how would you sum

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Speaker 1: a theory of the case. If you were talking to

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Speaker 1: a jury. And here's what I would say, Buck, and

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Speaker 1: I'm curious how you would expound upon it. Essentially, what

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Speaker 1: was going on here is and we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: The FBI in the run up to the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: argue it was Russian disinformation. Remember, the FBI already had

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Speaker 1: So when this story drops in October, Twitter immediately locks

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Speaker 1: even allow buck the story to be shared via DM,

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Speaker 1: which is a direct message that's not even a public way.

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Speaker 1: They wouldn't allow you to share it in your messages

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Speaker 1: I believe all of that. One thing. We need to

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Speaker 1: know who was the FBI agent or agents or official

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Speaker 1: working effectively as an agent of the Biden campaign. Who

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Speaker 1: the House of Representatives. We also need a full and

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Speaker 1: transparent further release of documents because this didn't stop, right,

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Speaker 1: This didn't stop with the Biden administration when they got

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Speaker 1: Biden administration has been using big tech as a default

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Speaker 1: coordinated arm to help collude against their pocal opposition. This

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Speaker 1: is this makes Watergate, as I said on Fox News

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Speaker 1: over the weekend, Buck, it makes Watergate look like Jaywalking

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Speaker 1: fascinated by as well is the continued refusal of the

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Speaker 1: in the quote unquote mainstream media to refuse to cover

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Speaker 1: this story, Buck, because a lot of their audience still

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Speaker 1: has no idea this went on. And if the largest

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Speaker 1: censorship by a major American corporation that has ever existed

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Speaker 1: in our lives proven via the Twitter release, docks is

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Speaker 1: not newsworthy, what world are you living on? And a

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Speaker 1: they're saying it's the Biden campaign. According to Miranda Divine,

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Speaker 1: that's highly suspicious. But unless the FBI is targeting individuals

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Speaker 1: That's what's so interesting. People are already saying, oh, budd, no,

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Speaker 1: that it was much broader than that. That there was

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Speaker 1: And that's that's massive. I mean, there's going to be

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Speaker 1: And this was after four years of lying about him,

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Speaker 1: all those companies saying that he stole the twenty sixteen

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Speaker 1: election with Russia. Look, I understand why a lot of

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Speaker 1: can't handle this anymore. And it's not just Trump either.

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Speaker 1: To remind our listeners, our interview with Trump from Bedminster

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Speaker 1: has been hacked by Russians, and then the material has

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Speaker 1: been leaked to you know, terrible news organizations like ours

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Speaker 1: that don't check with their material and therefore it's just

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Speaker 1: Russian disinformation. And we at the New York Post to stooges,

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Speaker 1: that's what the FBI was telling Twitter, and we believe

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Speaker 1: Facebook as well. And also they would have had access

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Speaker 1: to my messages with Rudy Giuliani in October of twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: which would have talking about when the Post was publishing

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Speaker 1: and what was going on, what we were going to publish.

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Speaker 1: So the FBI was pretty well worded up about when

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Speaker 1: the material was coming out, where it was going to

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Speaker 1: be coming out and what was in it? Miranda? Do

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Speaker 1: we know how high up it would have to have

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Speaker 1: on at the FBI to be having these briefings at

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Speaker 1: Twitter and Facebook spreading frankly clear lies that they knew

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Speaker 1: were lies. And I think that's important. Do we know

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Speaker 1: who ordered this? Where you know, for lack of a

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Speaker 1: better term, everybody knows the code read. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: feels like it was a code read that was ordered

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Speaker 1: by the FBI. Who ordered it? Yeah? I bet? I

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Speaker 1: don't know. You know, it would have been normal for

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Speaker 1: Christopher Ray, the director, to have teams going out and

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Speaker 1: warning people about Russian disinformation or you know, malign state

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Speaker 1: actors trying to interfere with the election. I doubt whether

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Speaker 1: he knew that they were seeding or prebunking the New

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Speaker 1: York Post story. Maybe they Maybe he did, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: But what we do know we know the name of

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Speaker 1: the Special Age and Elvis Chan in San Francisco, who

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Speaker 1: coordinated these weekly meetings in Silicon Valley with you know, Facebook, Twitter, Google,

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Speaker 1: and there were six or seven b I agents who

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Speaker 1: are flying out every week from Washington, DC for those meetings.

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Speaker 1: And the reason we know that is because Elvis Chan

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Speaker 1: was just deposed on Tuesday as part of this lawsuit

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Speaker 1: that's been brought against the Biden administration by the Republican

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Speaker 1: attorneys general of both Missouri and Louisiana and Eric Schmidt,

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Speaker 1: now Senator elect, has been driving that case and it's

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Speaker 1: just fascinating the material they've got out of it about

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Speaker 1: collusion between big tech and the federal government in violation

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Speaker 1: of the First Amendment. Miranda, you know, just just I

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Speaker 1: want to ask him make sure that I'm getting this right.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like there were what I would call deep

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Speaker 1: state elements within the FBI. We know there were many

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Speaker 1: of them. Some of the names are familiar to us now,

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Speaker 1: but many of them over the lies about Russia Trump collusion,

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Speaker 1: who stayed in the FBI and then in the next

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Speaker 1: election thought that it was their job to somehow stop

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Speaker 1: Russia collusion again. I mean, basically, were they true believers

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Speaker 1: in this or were they just using this as a

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Speaker 1: pretextual scam to help Joe Biden win. I don't really

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Speaker 1: know their motivations, but yes, I mean, ultimately they were

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Speaker 1: helping Joe Biden win and were determined that Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: would not win. Chief among those is a man called

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Speaker 1: James Baker. He was the General Counsel, as in, the

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Speaker 1: top lawyer at the FBI, and was deeply involved in

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Speaker 1: all that Russia collusion scam, everything from the Alpha Bank,

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Speaker 1: you know, Michael Flynn and the Steel Doss, the Crossfire, Hurricane, etc.

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Speaker 1: He also was involved, I believe, in the investigation into

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Speaker 1: the DNC hack back in twenty sixteen, supposedly done by Russians.

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Speaker 1: The jury is still out on that now. Interestingly, James Baker,

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Speaker 1: then just five months before the twenty twenty election, just

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Speaker 1: happened to turn up at Twitter. He became Twitters and

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Speaker 1: I believe still is Deputy General Counsel, And so he

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Speaker 1: was the FBI's man inside Twitter, deciding what, you know,

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Speaker 1: what subpoenas were going to be accepted when the FBI,

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Speaker 1: for instance, wanted to access Twitter accounts of people who

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Speaker 1: might be uncomfortable for Joe Biden, such as we've just

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Speaker 1: found out from a Daily Callers story Tara Reid, the

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Speaker 1: woman who alleged that Joe Biden many years ago had

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Speaker 1: sexually assaulted her. She came out before the twenty twenty election,

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Speaker 1: and we now know that the FBI subpoenaed Twitter for

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Speaker 1: her account all the details, including presumably the names of

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Speaker 1: reporters who were direct messaging her and interested in her story.

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Speaker 1: So that was going on before the election as well,

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Speaker 1: and James Baker's presence inside Twitter was very useful to

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party and to the FBI. Miranda, we know

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Speaker 1: you're busy, and I've said before you deserve like nine

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Speaker 1: or ten Pulitzer Prizes in a row, along with your

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Speaker 1: colleagues at the Post for what you have done on

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Speaker 1: this story. The document release on Friday. Last question for you, what,

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Speaker 1: if anything, did you get info that you needed or

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Speaker 1: wanted out of that? How would you assess what you

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Speaker 1: saw on Friday? Look, I thought it was interesting and

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Speaker 1: particularly there was an email. Unfortunately the date and time

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Speaker 1: was stripped off it. But Matt Taiebi, the journalist too,

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Speaker 1: was tasked by Elon Musk to release all that information.

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Speaker 1: Had this one email from James Baker in which he

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Speaker 1: weighed in on the decision on the morning of the

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Speaker 1: fortength of October twenty twenty, when our story came out,

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Speaker 1: that internal discussion in Twitter about whether not to censor it,

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Speaker 1: and he came down on the side of censoring it,

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Speaker 1: and he said, you know, we don't know if it's

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Speaker 1: hacked material, and we should err on the side of caution. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's crazy, particularly because that hacked material policy they never

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Speaker 1: applied in general. Yeah, you have killed it. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for making time for us. Thanks so much, Clea.

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Speaker 1: You know what, one of the things you learn as

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Speaker 1: you look more and more into the Twitter hacked emails

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Speaker 1: is Twitter is run by a bunch of beta mails

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Speaker 1: What would Twitter look like if it had been run

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Speaker 1: in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. One of the big

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Speaker 1: lessons that we are seeing in the stark light of

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Speaker 1: day is there are a lot of people out there

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Speaker 1: that did not take to heart the concept of sticks

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Speaker 1: and stones may break my bones, but words will never

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Speaker 1: hurt me. My entire generation, Buck whipper Snapper generation, I

565
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: don't know if he was a part of this or not,

566
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: was taught that you can't allow words, even though they

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Speaker 1: might sometimes hurt. Anybody who's ever been a kid in

568
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: school knows that words can hurt. But the important thing

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Speaker 1: is to teach kids how to deal with things that

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00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: are mean that are said to them. Of course, Clay,

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Speaker 1: I'm rubber, your glue. Whatever you say sticks to you.

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00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: So this is like kind of a blanket, I would say,

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Speaker 1: generational way in which we were raised. I still try

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Speaker 1: to make sure that my boys here all these cliches too.

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Speaker 1: But when I listened to this Twitter head of security Buck,

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Speaker 1: I just I wonder, like, what was he taught growing up? Okay,

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Speaker 1: well I want to I want to ask you, like

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Speaker 1: growing up my dad? You know my dad, You don't

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Speaker 1: even really, I don't think none of this. I mean,

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Speaker 1: his his family's from South Dakota and Virginia. Yea, and

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Speaker 1: so he had so you know, Tennessee, South Dakota, Virginia.

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Speaker 1: There may be some similarities you know, some cultural similarities

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Speaker 1: and how you how you'd raise your kids. He was

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Speaker 1: taught you punch a bully in the face. Yeah, And

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00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: so I was growing up, he was always telling me,

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Speaker 1: he's like someone bullis you punched him in the face.

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Speaker 1: And then I had to have my mom can be like, well,

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Speaker 1: like you might get kicked out of school, Like, let's

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00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: not just like punch right away. You know. My dad

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00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: was like, what do you mean, punch him in the face.

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00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: You know, he's like some bullyst you punch him in

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Speaker 1: the face. That's it. Yeah. And I look around now

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Speaker 1: and my kids are in public schools, and I don't

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Speaker 1: think there's any doubt that kids and schools get softer

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00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: and softer because our dads and granddads of people our

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Speaker 1: age and forty years old or so would say, oh,

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Speaker 1: you kids are so soft compared to what we had

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Speaker 1: to go through. And I do think that generationally, that's

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00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: not an exaggeration. I do think the world is getting softer.

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Speaker 1: But at some point it becomes so soft that you

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Speaker 1: become an utter victim. And I don't think we have

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00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: time to play it right now, So we come back

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00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: at the top of the next hour I want everybody

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Speaker 1: thinking about this in terms of the big picture. Here

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00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: is left wingers in this country, in addition to being

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Speaker 1: opposed to free speech, have bought into the idea Buck,

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Speaker 1: that words themselves are violence, and that if somebody says

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Speaker 1: something that is mean to you, that that is an

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Speaker 1: unacceptable thing to happen, and that as a result, censorship

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Speaker 1: is not only allowed, but necessary in some sense of

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Speaker 1: the word. Yeah, like when people play the name game

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Speaker 1: with my name, I am literally traumatized by that, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean? That's what just I don't know

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Speaker 1: how Bucky you get out of bed in the morning.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and look, claim rhymes with gay. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's a It's a wonder that I made it through

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Speaker 1: elementary school with that rhyming pattern. Yeah, I mean, buck

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Speaker 1: buck bow buck. I can't even talk about fanana fana,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, this is what they

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Speaker 1: used to do to me on the playground, And you

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Speaker 1: know that I'd punch him in the face because my

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Speaker 1: dad told me to do that. I'd get in trouble.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I guess we all turn into the

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Speaker 1: Twitter Trust and Safety people. If this keeps going, You're

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Speaker 1: not gonna believe what this loser said. We'll play it

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Speaker 1: for you now