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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is.

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Speaker 3: No, they call me Ben.

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Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer, Dylan the

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Speaker 4: Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you are you. You are here.

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Speaker 4: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know,

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Speaker 4: and we're coming to you with a feel good, optimistic

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Speaker 4: banger of an episode this evening, folks, fellow conspiracy realist

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Speaker 3: Could you survive in nuclear war?

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Speaker 2: No? All right, Well good to hear from everybody this way.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to you next week.

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Speaker 5: We'll do our ba hey, duck and cover, Duck and cover.

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Speaker 5: That's all it takes. Just get under that desk.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I suck in.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 4: We're from slightly different backgrounds, old enough to remember those

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Speaker 4: drills and just how surreal they seemed.

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Speaker 2: It is straight you actually did duck and cover drills.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm yeah as a child.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah yeah, not Cold War era, but just weird

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Speaker 4: the ones for funzies tornadoes where you had to go

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Speaker 4: ass up. And then the nuclear war drills were like

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Speaker 4: Nola's saying, duck and cover, get under your desk, you know,

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Speaker 4: and just hope that your desk is magic for some reason.

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Speaker 5: That way you'll you'll get vaporized in a fetal position

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Speaker 5: for posterity, you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so you can look like that guy in POMPEII

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Speaker 4: pomp exactly. He got caught, enjoyed himself. He didn't really,

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Speaker 4: it's just how the lava hit him. So Ever, since

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Speaker 4: August of nineteen forty five, the world has been terrified

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Speaker 4: of nuclear armageddon. And we know why. August is the

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Speaker 4: lynchpin here. It's because of the disastrous bombings on Hiroshima

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Speaker 4: and Nagasaki. They fundamentally changed war. They fundamentally changed how

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Speaker 4: it's the first time in known history that human civilization

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Speaker 4: had weapons that could not just end a conflict, but

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Speaker 4: could end civilization as we know it. And this is

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Speaker 4: a spiritual successor to an episode we did earlier in

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Speaker 4: gosh I want to say, May maybe of this year,

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Speaker 4: we asked what actually happens in a nuclear war? And

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Speaker 4: then toward the end, Matt noele as we recall, toward

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Speaker 4: lot of people are listening were saying, Okay, yes, I

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Speaker 4: get the science and the conspiracy afoot, but what about me,

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Speaker 4: you guys, what about my family? The natural follow up

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Speaker 4: was could I survive this thing you're describing?

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Speaker 3: Do you have a fallout shelter? That's the first question.

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Speaker 2: This episode goes out to anybody who lives somehow in

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Speaker 2: this goes out to you.

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Speaker 3: This goes out to you, and we're gonna we're gonna help.

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Speaker 4: As a group, we're gonna figure out together the grand

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Speaker 3: Here are the facts, all right.

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Speaker 4: First, let's start with good news. Nuclear blast fact and fiction.

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Speaker 4: The good news is this, here's our headlight. Almost a

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Speaker 4: century after the two disastrous attacks on Japan, those are

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Speaker 5: Maybe, but maybe today it might be that's what we

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Speaker 3: It'sy button finger right now.

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Speaker 4: This isn't, however, to caveat this good news. This is

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Speaker 4: not to say those are the only nuclear explosions nor

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Speaker 4: since his first nuclear test, thousands of nuclear devices have

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's funny though, I mean, I guess when we

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Speaker 5: I mean, those are all products of the same technology,

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Speaker 4: All of this could happen to day to night as

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Speaker 4: you're hearing this. The tricky thing is, we still don't

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Speaker 4: know how many nuclear detonations have occurred. The official estimate

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And shout out to Iran and some of the

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, yeah, it's a bag of badgers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So let's remember the Veil incident and things like that.

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Speaker 2: The instruments that are used to determine whether or not

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Speaker 4: We know that to those excellent points, various countries have

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Speaker 4: we have a lot of unknowns. We don't know how

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Speaker 4: many nuclear weapons actually exist, and for the ones that

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Speaker 4: Because these are not who's that guy we mentioned on

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Speaker 4: Ridiculous History. These are not ron pappeal, set it and

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Speaker 4: Once a nuclear exchange begins, we don't know how many

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Speaker 4: possible debtonations could occur in a domino effective retaliation. Right,

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Speaker 4: how many bullets does one side have? Bullets being bombs?

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Speaker 3: I believe the term is mutually assured destruction, right, Right?

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Speaker 4: And second, you know, we the public don't have the

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Speaker 4: feet of earlier science fiction, dystopian and disaster films, right,

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Speaker 4: and novels and short stories, the stuff we're familiar with.

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Speaker 4: Some of them are highly accurate, like The Day After

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Speaker 3: Smoke and fury kind of thing, like Moon like Moonfall.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I'm recalling The Day After Tomorrow. In

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Speaker 2: that film, it's it's nuclear winter, right, That's one of

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Speaker 3: Jake Jillenhall is the protagonist.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I seem correct me if I'm wrong here. I

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Speaker 3: Definitely some freezy bits I do recall.

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Speaker 3: I'm like that is nuclear.

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Speaker 5: Winter as a concept is I've always thought nuclear winter

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Speaker 4: Yeah, wait wait, I'm thinking of I'm actually I'm thinking

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Speaker 2: So thank you.

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Speaker 4: that is considered highly inaccurate. Oh, I think NASA scientists

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Speaker 3: So that so we see that, I mean that can be.

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Speaker 4: idea of embellishing and nuclear black as arguing that a

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Speaker 4: necessarily true. But then on the other side, some fiction

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Speaker 4: let's remember, as we talked about in our previous episode

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Speaker 4: their full theoretical capacity.

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Speaker 2: Right now, I believe both of those were detonated in

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Speaker 2: I think we talked about that in our previous nuclear episode.

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Speaker 4: Think of the firework canisters that hold multiple iterations of fireworks, right,

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Speaker 5: It's also something like, isn't that a thing Superman do

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Speaker 4: Not mister terrific, but this idea of nuclear war is

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Speaker 4: That's the main and only reason, to be quite honest,

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Speaker 4: loose the dogs of war, feeling compelled to retaliate. How

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Speaker 4: far does it go? What could you do? Folks?

441
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Speaker 3: Could you survive?

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Speaker 5: Well, we'll find out after a quick word from our

443
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Speaker 5: sponsor Globocam and Vought.

444
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Speaker 3: And of course McKenzie and our friends at Halibert.

445
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Speaker 4: Here's where it gets crazy, all right, that question could

446
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Speaker 4: I survive?

447
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 3: In nuclear war?

448
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Speaker 4: Weirdly enough, the answer you're going to discover is the

449
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 4: same thing we always hear in real estate, location, location, location,

450
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Speaker 4: Similar to Matt what you were alluding to earlier, There

451
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Speaker 4: it's your proximity to the initial blast, your proximity to

452
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Speaker 4: high value targets, and as you were saying, no, not

453
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Speaker 4: just your ability to escape an area before or afterward,

454
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Speaker 4: but the possibility of having a reliable shelter in advance.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this also includes concerns about your proximity to other

456
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Speaker 5: things that could be affected by the blast. Some of

457
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 5: these knock on consequences like wildfires, chemical spills, leaks, rather

458
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Speaker 5: all the other dangerous stuff that could affect humans outside

459
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Speaker 5: of just the radiation and the boom boom of it all.

460
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Speaker 5: You know, there's a lot of things that this kind

461
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Speaker 5: of havoc would unleash.

462
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Speaker 4: Yeah, think about, especially here in the United States. Think

463
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Speaker 4: about all the infrastructure that is hanging by a thread

464
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Speaker 4: like a loose tooth, you know. Think of the fact

465
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Speaker 4: that clean water is largely dependent upon water processing sites

466
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Speaker 4: that are already quite vulnerable. Think about the power grid

467
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Speaker 4: which is just going to get absolutely walloped by a

468
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Speaker 4: resulting EMP electromagnetic pulse. Think about you know, the wildfires

469
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Speaker 4: that happen without bombs every year, right, and all of

470
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Speaker 4: the as you said, all the toxic, nasty stuff that

471
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Speaker 4: is creasyly less regulated and just sort of put intakes

472
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Speaker 4: that are not hardened against nuclear blasts.

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Speaker 5: Stuff that goes awry even in you know, outside of

474
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Speaker 5: the event of a nuclear blast, malfunctions and leaks and

475
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Speaker 5: chemical plant explosions and fires and let's not even talk

476
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Speaker 5: about the nuclear power plants themselves.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great. The whole other thing.

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Speaker 5: You know, if there were a nuke detonated next to

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Speaker 5: the nuke, that's kind of double nuke.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's at least radiation leaking out into water sources

481
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Speaker 2: that you would probably need.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, ed if you wanted to seek treatment for any

483
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Speaker 4: of those sort of knock on consequences. Guess what, the

484
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Speaker 4: medical infrastructure is wrecked as well. So you could then

485
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Speaker 4: end up being in a situation where something as mild

486
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Speaker 4: as an infection that could have easily been treated will

487
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Speaker 4: kill you as surely as a nuclear blast, simply because

488
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Speaker 4: you do not have access to medicine or medical care.

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Speaker 2: Well, and the servers are down, so all the AI

490
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Speaker 2: robots can't perform any surgeries.

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Speaker 4: Right or tell you really bad medical advice, you know

492
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Speaker 4: what I mean, how else would you know that you

493
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Speaker 4: should inject bleach?

494
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Speaker 2: And this one wait, but this one goes in your mouth.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, shout out to idiocracy. So there is

496
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Speaker 4: no clear cut way to estimate the impact of a

497
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Speaker 4: single nuclear bomb because it depends on so many other factors.

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Speaker 4: We kick some stats about payload, and yes those are

499
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Speaker 4: mission critical, it's important to remember those, but you also

500
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Speaker 4: have to remember the weather, the time of day of detonation,

501
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Speaker 4: the geographical layout of where it hits, whether it detonates

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Speaker 4: on the ground, in the ground, above the ground, and

503
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Speaker 4: if so, how high, what's the elevation. These all play

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Speaker 4: into what happens next, and there's been a lot of

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Speaker 4: work ever since. Honestly, since around the time of Oppenheimer,

506
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Speaker 4: there's been a lot of work modeling what would result

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Speaker 4: here and what we see time and time again. The

508
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Speaker 4: models don't always agree. By the way, what we see

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Speaker 4: time and time again is that theffects are catastrophic, far

510
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Speaker 4: further than we might assume based in film and fiction.

511
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Speaker 4: You can see plenty of videos about this sum of

512
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Speaker 4: more accuracy than others. Asapp Science did a cool thing

513
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Speaker 4: a while back with an analysis of the detonation of

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Speaker 4: a one mega ton bomb, so a little bit less

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Speaker 4: than B eighty three, and they say, okay, how far

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Speaker 4: away do you have to be as a human person

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Speaker 4: to survive. Even if you're within five miles of this detonation,

518
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Speaker 4: five miles you will still get riddled with third degree burns.

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Speaker 4: Without medical care, you will die at agonizing death. Within

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Speaker 4: seven miles you'll still get first degree burns. And that

521
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Speaker 4: depends on your clothing and on the weather in your

522
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Speaker 4: part of the world. We're not even counting radiation. Even

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Speaker 4: if you're seven miles outside of the city, which again

524
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Speaker 4: is really not that far, you'll be in a crisis

525
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Speaker 4: situation and you'll need to immediately skidaddle because more terrible

526
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Speaker 4: stuff is on the way. As a matter of fact,

527
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Speaker 4: seven miles away, you look at the blinding flash of light,

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Speaker 4: You're going to go blind. It is biblical stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think I mentioned this before, but there is a

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Speaker 5: book that I think was very much a response to

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Speaker 5: the stand or. It was like, you know, this lesser

533
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Speaker 5: known writer who was doing his own version of the standard.

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Speaker 3: I really really like it.

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Speaker 5: It's called Swan Song, and it's about a nuclear holocaust situation,

536
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Speaker 5: but with like magic as well. I mean, I don't know,

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Speaker 5: it's it's not Mcammon, I think is the right thing.

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Speaker 5: I want to say he's from the South, like he's

539
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Speaker 5: from Alabama or something. But it's really good and it's

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Speaker 5: it's very the standy, but it's also it really deals

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Speaker 5: a lot more with the nuclear stuff rather than a

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Speaker 5: disease or like a virus.

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Speaker 3: I remember that. Check it out.

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Speaker 4: I must read that because it's an older book, right,

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Speaker 4: it's an older book. It's from the eighties or the earl. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: we're th reread. I mean, one thing that a lot

547
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 4: of people do get right in fiction, and unfortunately we've

548
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Speaker 4: seen reflected in real world scenarios is that in most

549
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Speaker 4: of these situations, you will have very little time to react.

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Speaker 4: That's why you have to be proactive. I mean, we

551
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Speaker 4: can think of it in terms of three broad zones

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Speaker 4: emanating from that detonation point. The innermost zone game over. Sorry,

553
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Speaker 4: at ground zero, temperatures can be higher than that the

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Speaker 4: surface of the sun one hundred million degrees celsius within

555
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Speaker 4: one thousandth of a second, a massive fireball forbs. This

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Speaker 4: fireball alone again and I even counter radiation, it stretches

557
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Speaker 4: two to two and a half miles in every conceivable direction.

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Speaker 4: The temperatures again reaching over at this time ten million celsius.

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Speaker 4: If you're too close to this explosion, if you're in

560
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Speaker 4: this innermost zone, you are simply here and then gone.

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Speaker 4: You vaporize. You vaporize so quickly, in fact, that your

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Speaker 4: sensory array and your nervous system will not have time

563
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Speaker 4: to communicate to your consciousness what's happening.

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Speaker 3: You're gone.

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Speaker 5: Terrifying, but also, I mean, maybe a little bit of

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Speaker 5: a mercy in a situation like this to be I mean,

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Speaker 5: it's already be super dark about it, but it's like,

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Speaker 5: you know, the alternative that we're going to get into far.

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Speaker 3: Worse than death.

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Speaker 4: In many cases, it's a philosophical quandary, right, because then

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Speaker 4: if you are it's strange because if you visit Hiroshima,

572
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Speaker 4: you'll see that there was a nearby bank, and this

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Speaker 4: bank had a pretty hardened vault where people were actually

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Speaker 4: able to or they attempted to retreat to safety within

575
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Speaker 4: that vault and it helped a little bit, but they

576
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Speaker 4: were simply too close. So in some of these situations,

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Speaker 4: we know that even if you get a shelter and

578
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Speaker 4: you're in that innermost zone, even the shelter may not

579
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Speaker 4: be able to help you, depending upon how deep it

580
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Speaker 4: is and how layered it is a lot of folks.

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Speaker 4: If you are still kind of in this zone where

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Speaker 4: you're not close enough to get vaporized, you may die

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Speaker 4: immediately from the shock waves because the all the construction

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Speaker 4: materials will be weaponized. The flying glass would debris, bits

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Speaker 4: of stone, collapsing buildings. They will fly at tremendous speed.

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Speaker 4: You can see pictures of this clearly, you know, at

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Speaker 4: the Pirotia Museum, for instance, where the glass was flying

588
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Speaker 4: with such energy that it embedded itself into stone instead

589
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Speaker 4: of shattering, so it shatters first.

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Speaker 3: And theyse become knives. The chilling stuff.

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Speaker 2: Well, the shockwave itself too, without anything weaponized in it,

592
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Speaker 2: can obliterate you on the inside essentially from the way

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Speaker 2: your body reacts to that force.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because the shockwave can reach six hundred and fifty

595
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Speaker 4: miles per hour up to four miles away from the

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Speaker 4: detonation point. And the human body is in some ways

597
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Speaker 4: tremendously resilient, but it is not built for that kind

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Speaker 4: of PSI.

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Speaker 2: No, and we're still we're still in the innermost zone, right,

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Speaker 2: but you know this shockwave continues out, Yes, And that's

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Speaker 2: why we're talking about all this weaponized stuff, because you

602
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Speaker 2: can be within a pretty big radius of that detonation

603
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Speaker 2: and you're still going to be dealing with the stuff

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Speaker 2: Ben's talking about.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're and we're also I mean, we're also taking

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Speaker 4: pains to described this these situations where you don't really

607
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Speaker 4: have a chance, so that you can understand the we

608
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Speaker 4: can all understand the importance of location here. Let's move

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Speaker 4: to the secondary zone. This is a little bit less evil.

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Speaker 4: But also before we continue, have to remember, as Matt saying,

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Speaker 4: not just the shock wave, but the EMP and the

612
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Speaker 4: fireball will create other fires, right, including setting ablaze things

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Speaker 4: that you would ordinarily not consider flammable. So this is

614
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Speaker 4: a situation where stuff the bomb touched can touch you

615
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Speaker 4: and result in your death if you make it to

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Speaker 4: the secondary zone. This is where you know, if you

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Speaker 4: have a soundtrack you're playing, gimme shelter, if you were

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Speaker 4: not close to be close enough to be vaporized or

619
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Speaker 4: hit by those other things we just mentioned. Immediately, you'll

620
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Speaker 4: notice that blinding flash, and we are being literal. If

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Speaker 4: you look at it without protection, it will cause intense

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Speaker 4: retinal burns up the forty miles away, which just boggles

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Speaker 4: my mind, you know, forty miles away.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, wouldn't you instinctively look in that direction when

626
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Speaker 4: you hear the sound you see the.

627
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Speaker 2: Cloud, especially depending on the time of day, right, imagine

628
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Speaker 2: that it's close to dusk, you know, or like the

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Speaker 2: sun is going down or coming up, and it's beginning

630
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Speaker 2: to get dark. And this happens, then it is going

631
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Speaker 2: to look as though the sun is rising from one direction,

632
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Speaker 2: and you're you're probably gonna look at it, and you're

633
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Speaker 2: probably going to be wondering what the hell is that,

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Speaker 2: which is going to make you look at it a

635
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Speaker 2: little longer. And yeah, and you're not gonna hear anything either, Remember.

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Speaker 4: Nope, because light travels faster. Let's say you're in a

637
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Speaker 4: slightly better position. Let's say you're still at least twenty

638
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Speaker 4: miles away. You're indoors, right, so you're not drawn to

639
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Speaker 4: that huge blinding light, even though it will be apparent

640
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Speaker 4: if you're anywhere near a window. Let's say the weather

641
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 4: conditions are favorable, you are not downwind for the moment.

642
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 4: That's a huge piece of the puzzle here. This means

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Speaker 4: you've got a good chance of surviving the initial impact

644
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Speaker 4: dot dot dot of the first bob. That's all that means,

645
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Speaker 4: because there may well be retaliation. And here I want

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Speaker 4: to do a little bit of game theory with you, guys.

647
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Speaker 4: How likely or unlikely is it that a bomb would detonate,

648
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Speaker 4: say in Atlanta, and then get hit again. I find

649
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Speaker 4: that somewhat unlikely. I feel like you want to hit

650
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Speaker 4: multiple urban centers military basis.

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, so none of this is absolute, right, because

652
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Speaker 2: these these are all like game theory based on what

653
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Speaker 2: would happen if we've got rational actors and they're following

654
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Speaker 2: through with previous plans that have existed in throughout countries.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, versus like a messianic figure who has determined Atlanta

656
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 4: is the seat of earthly sin, or versus like a

657
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 4: mad dictator who is still pissed about the ninety six Olympics.

658
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 2: Agreed, or some form of what would be considered a

659
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: terrorist attack, right, a one off bomb that goes off

660
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: for one reason or another, like you're describing everything I've

661
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: read states that military targets would be first, right, So

662
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 2: you wouldn't see a bomb over Atlanta immediately. You'd see

663
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 2: a bomb over a strategic base somewhere or some kind

664
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 2: of communications system or energy production. You would first go

665
00:39:55,239 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 2: for military, then infrastructure, and then third would be city centers,

666
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 2: as like make sure they don't recover right.

667
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 4: Right, because then you're descending into what is called total war,

668
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 4: and total war does not consider things like Geneva conventions

669
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 4: or things like the importance of not harming civilians. So

670
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 4: it'd be first military and comms actually at the same time,

671
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 4: and then infrastructure because destroying one military base isn't good

672
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 4: enough if the others can still talk to each other,

673
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 4: or god forbid, in the case of the US, if

674
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 4: they can signal the subs. Because the subs are the

675
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 4: worst pop up nuclear restaurant ever invented. They'll just roll

676
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 4: up and deliver the mail.

677
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 2: So do you have good food on them? At least

678
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: from what I've of.

679
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 4: Course, you know the trick, right, You know, this is

680
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 4: a very specific thing. I love the imtch of the food.

681
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 4: A lot of people might not know this, but there

682
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 4: is a omen that people working on subs can clock,

683
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 4: and it's just it's such a catch twitty two crappy

684
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 4: thing to happen. But the word on the street or

685
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 4: the word on the sub is this. You can always

686
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 4: tell if things are about to get hairy or inconvenient,

687
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 4: or if you're you know, your deployment is going to

688
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 4: get extended because the food one night will suddenly get

689
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 4: better right before the announcement, like instead of you know,

690
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 4: instead of lazadia or meat loaf boom. Now we've got

691
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 4: lobster tails and I haven't had a steak in a

692
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 4: year or six months.

693
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 5: Oh hey, meat love though those are delightful.

694
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, shades, the food is better because you've got to

695
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 4: give people something for being in such an unnatural environment

696
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 4: and for having we're having a hot rack.

697
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 5: Oh boy, hot hot rack is what is that again?

698
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 5: That's like where you're sleeping shifts, yes, kind of.

699
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

700
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 4: You don't have your own bed, you have your own run. Man,

701
00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 4: I know the headshe smells the smells the smells box

702
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 4: is more like it. Yeah, but tell us about your

703
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 4: life on a submarine to the degree that you are

704
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 4: legally allowed to and comfortable. Got to throw that in anyway.

705
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 4: Let's say, let's keep improving this situation. What if we're

706
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 4: in the outer zone, the third of the zones, right,

707
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 4: this is where you are measurably safer from the immediate

708
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 4: effects of the blast, but you are still at immense

709
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 4: risk of the insidious, invisible danger, nuclear fallout and radiation.

710
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 4: This is where if you've made it to a shelter,

711
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 4: no matter how good you feel, get rid of your clothing.

712
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 4: No time for modesty. Get rid of your clothing. Sanitize

713
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 4: the crap out of your body, just like Bruce Willis

714
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 4: in Six Monkeys. Twelve Monkeys. Six Monkeys is.

715
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 2: The sequel.

716
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 3: Only half the monkeys.

717
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 4: Remember when they scrub rub him down and they decontaminate

718
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 4: his entire body. You have to do that and put

719
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 4: your clothing, assume it's contaminated, to put it in a

720
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 4: sealed bag, and get it as far away from your

721
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 4: shelter as possible.

722
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: But is he is he time traveling in that? What

723
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: is the mechanism in twelve Monkeys.

724
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 3: The mechanism and time there's time travel, there is time.

725
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 4: Travel, and he gets basically delaust and decontaminated. Because in

726
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 4: the world of twelve Monkeys, in the present day, Earth

727
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 4: has been civilization has been destroyed, mankind has almost been

728
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 4: eradicated by a tremendously efficient virus.

729
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 3: You have, like time, How does he what's the mechanism

730
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 3: for the time travel? Is that like drugs?

731
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 5: I want to say, there's something like very It's not

732
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 5: like he steps into a cool time machine.

733
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 3: It's something very like differently and ugly exactly.

734
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah it is the director was was it the

735
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 4: guy made?

736
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 3: Oh it's Terry Gillion. That's so yeah, very much.

737
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 2: So love love Terry really quickly. I'm so sorry I

738
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 2: keep bringing this up. This is that graphic novel, The

739
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 2: Secret History that I just remembered. A mechanism in there

740
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 2: is refined or concentrated er got but it's concentrated in

741
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 2: a way that the person who takes it is able

742
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 2: to phase in like almost travel through his mind right

743
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 2: to another time and place and then comes back through

744
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:29,959
Speaker 2: his mind loop thing again.

745
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 4: It's crazy, yeah, yeah, yeah, because it's not necessarily the

746
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 4: physical body traveling right.

747
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 2: Yes, but then others can like see him and hear him,

748
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: and he exists, but it's almost as though he's projecting

749
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 2: internally into some other place.

750
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 3: Oh yes, it kind of.

751
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 4: It also makes us think of Lost, which is oh jeez,

752
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 4: all right, oh yeah, it's not Penny's boat, guys.

753
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, dear, speaking of really up to date.

754
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: References, reminder that we still don't know what the smoke

755
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 2: monster was. We still don't know.

756
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, they never really Wait a minute, it was sort

757
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 5: of a guardian figure.

758
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 3: Natural dorm Moore demand in black or one of the forms.

759
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 2: Do we know that?

760
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 5: I don't know that. The writers don't know.

761
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:20,240
Speaker 3: Sorry, saying that it's not problem.

762
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 5: Remember when I got yelled at for saying that they

763
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 5: were all dead because I don't even think that's even true.

764
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 5: Like that was sort of like a bit of a

765
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 5: what's the word, A simplistic view, the writers saying they

766
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 5: never were going to do that, and then a lot

767
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 5: of people being mad because it seemed like that's what

768
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 5: they were doing.

769
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 3: But I don't even know if that's what they were doing.

770
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 4: Some kinds ambiguous endings are a great part of a story.

771
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 4: You know, I dig it when you don't explain everything.

772
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 4: That's how That's how H. P. Lovecraft work worked. Excuse me,

773
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 4: I can't. I can't violate the official story about his death.

774
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 4: That's also why Sinners is so compelling, because they were

775
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 4: already you other stories that you never really learn, right,

776
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 4: I'm not going to spoil them, And so with this

777
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 4: we're going to pause for a word from our sponsors.

778
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 4: Let's assume we're in the outer zone, We're in a shelter,

779
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 4: and the first thing you want to know is, can

780
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 4: I hear some ads? All right, we have returned folks.

781
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 4: Assuming you've managed to survive all the terrible, terrifying things

782
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 4: we just mentioned, you are probably already bunkered down or

783
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 4: you're on the way to a shelter. You may also,

784
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 4: depending on how things go in your neck of the woods,

785
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 4: you may have made the decision to take your chances

786
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 4: attempting to leave the area. Please know that's going to

787
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 4: be a tall order. We're going to be racing radiation

788
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 4: that can spread for hundreds of miles, and it contaminates

789
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 4: everything it touches. It's like evil glitter on the wind,

790
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 4: but invisible.

791
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 5: Not my best comparison, Nah, evil glitter, I think it's fantastic.

792
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 5: Glitter is already a beli evil and it's it's in

793
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 5: its own right.

794
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 3: No I dig it.

795
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 4: We found speaking of things we did, we found a

796
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 4: great more recent model for what you should do, like

797
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 4: your root bric for action in these situations. It's from

798
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 4: a atmospheric scientist named Michael Dillon over at the Lawrence

799
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 4: Livermore National laboratory in California, and what he finds calls

800
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 4: into question some of the US government's official advice. And

801
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 4: they do have a course official advice. It's pretty clear cut,

802
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 4: but it's also at a certain point the official advice

803
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 4: is very much you're on your own.

804
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 5: So one day Dylan's family, Michael Dillon's family, the scientist

805
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 5: was talking to them about his day job and literally

806
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 5: asked him what they should do if in the event

807
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 5: of a nuclear fallout situation, if they saw that, you know,

808
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 5: doom cloud looming on the horizon.

809
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 3: Hey, you thought your six year old asked weird questions, right, folks?

810
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm, mm hmm. I did officially US stance, as

811
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 5: we discussed earlier, which in large part pretty useless, was

812
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 5: take shelter in the nearest and most protective building.

813
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 3: To your point, Ben, even the folks that were inside

814
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 3: the heavily fortified bank vault did not escape clean.

815
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and this is still the prevailing theory in

816
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 2: many countries. We just mentioned on Strange News how Germany

817
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 2: is creating a bunch of shelters so places that human

818
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: beings who get early warning of a nuclear detonation on

819
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 2: its way, or that one just occurred places that you

820
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: go either underground, right or inside a protected, heavily concrete building.

821
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 2: But again, like wait, we're saying, are we saying that's

822
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: not what we should do?

823
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 4: Well, the US stance is saying, take shelter in the

824
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 4: nearest building that essentially has the smallest amount of windows

825
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 4: and looks like it has the most concrete.

826
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: What so many long lines building.

827
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 4: Exactly so, but they'll probably shoot you upon attempt to

828
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 4: entry in that situation unless you know the right hand signals. Yeah,

829
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 4: But the difference here with Germany is that they are

830
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 4: building structures dedicated to the purpose of shelter. They're not

831
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 4: banks that happen to be rot of stone. So look,

832
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 4: if you're in California, you know this well. The idea

833
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 4: of fighting nearest most protective building is pretty great if

834
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 4: you're in the Northeast where people have a lot of basements, right,

835
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 4: they have a lot of sellers stuff like that. But basements, instance,

836
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 4: aren't that common in California, where Dylan is based. Michael Dillon,

837
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 4: the Scientist also early transit. Another recommendation is a tall milkshake.

838
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 4: Given both the short amount of lead time from deployment

839
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 4: to detonation, as well as the fact that you can

840
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 4: assume all transit routes will be non navigable. They will

841
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 4: be clogged. If we're talking trains, they're not going to

842
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 4: be working. If we're talking arteries and veins of the

843
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:37,720
Speaker 4: American interstate system, they're going to be clogged very quickly.

844
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 4: That's going to result in car accidents and there are

845
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 4: not going to be first responders available for most of that.

846
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 2: So that's why you need the zombie apocalypse vehicles, right,

847
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 2: so you can just go off road on them highways.

848
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 4: Or to have a map in your head, especially if

849
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 4: you're lucky enough to live in a more rural environment,

850
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 4: have a map in your head of the back roads.

851
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 4: The back roads will tend to be more helpful. That's

852
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 4: one of my favorite things about not living in cities.

853
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 3: Man. I'm more and more divided on living in cities.

854
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 3: I don't know about you guys.

855
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. And depending on where previous, if you know,

856
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 2: if we're talking about a bigger thing that's going down

857
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 2: while you find yourself in this situation, your GPS may

858
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 2: no longer work, right, Your ability to navigate via phone

859
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 2: may not work.

860
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 4: Yes, always have a paper map. Check out our episode

861
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 4: on bug out bags one oh one or go bags

862
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 4: if you feel more comfortable with that phrase. Yeah, a

863
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 4: paper map in the ability to navigate that map is huge.

864
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 4: It's a good skill to have. There's also this issue

865
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 4: that Dylan finds with the usual survival logic. There are

866
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 4: serious gaps in it because a lot of the logic

867
00:51:55,719 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 4: was legacy thinking. It had been mapped sassively by boffins

868
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 4: on both sides of the Cold War, and they were

869
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 4: prioritizing their game theory on large scale nuclear exchanges, thinking,

870
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 4: you know, like hit military and comms first and then

871
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 4: hit infrastructure. Then if they don't bend the knee, start

872
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 4: breaking the civilians. They thought of it in terms of

873
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 4: trading cities and figuring out who runs out of bombs first.

874
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 4: They did not prioritize how the average person could survive

875
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 4: outside of you know, the ruling parties, the ruling class.

876
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 4: And so what Dylan finds here is fascinating, and he

877
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 4: says the hard part is figuring out what variables matter

878
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 4: most when you're on the run, and there's it's kind

879
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 4: of like, oh, this happens all the time in video games.

880
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 4: You're in an environment where you're damaged a certain amount

881
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 4: of points per second and you have to get to

882
00:52:58,480 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 4: something else.

883
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 3: I'm thinking they call it like bleed damage, I believe.

884
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, term Yeah, so that happens a fallout, right or burn?

885
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, anything that stacks or that like you know, has

886
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 5: a has a clock on it for sure.

887
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean games like Fallout in Metro twenty

888
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 2: thirty three, I think it was in the Metro series.

889
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 2: You it's all based on like taking on rads, right,

890
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 2: or the amount of.

891
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 5: Radiation mitigating them with with drugs you know, rat away

892
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 5: or rat.

893
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 3: X or whatever.

894
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 4: And that's that's kind of the situation that Dylan is

895
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 4: gaming through. He's saying, the longer you stay outside, the

896
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 4: higher your dose of radiation. Right, But radiation intensity also

897
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:45,919
Speaker 4: lessens over time. Thankfully, it lessens pretty quickly, quicker than

898
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 4: the movies would have us imagine. So your total radiation

899
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 4: dose is therefore a function of when you step outside,

900
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 4: your distance from the detonation, and how long you run

901
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 4: before you reach shelter or a better shelter, uh, and

902
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 4: then how much shielding you get from your quote unquote

903
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 4: local environment while you're out there. So a radiation suit

904
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 4: of some sort is going to be much better than Chino's.

905
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 4: And you're my mama told me TikTok.

906
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:16,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

907
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 4: Uh, we're just working in a shout out to My

908
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 4: mama told me they have tank tops they should.

909
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 3: Like, David, you got that one from us? I don't know.

910
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 3: I don't see a lot of taketoks.

911
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 2: How about aless? My mama told me shirt. I would

912
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 2: buy that.

913
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 3: How about a sleeveless turtle deck.

914
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 5: I've been rocking a Bucky's tight eye tank top lately

915
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 5: since I've gotten all tatted up.

916
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 3: It's pretty pretty dope, is it.

917
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 4: You may want to keep that one form when you

918
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 4: get in the shelter, because I think that's probably the radiation.

919
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 3: I don't know. I haven't I haven't read the tag

920
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 3: on that take radiation sun tan. Yeah.

921
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 2: Okay, well, hold on one minute, let's hear a word

922
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 2: from our sponsors and come back to this exciting, pretty

923
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 2: harrowing thing we're doing now.

924
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 3: And we've returned.

925
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 4: In the end, the math boils down to this critical number,

926
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 4: the ratio of time you spend hunkering down in your

927
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 4: first shelter to the time you spend moving to a

928
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 4: higher quality shelter, and this model assumes that the first

929
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 4: place you go to ground is not going to be

930
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 4: your ideal place.

931
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,720
Speaker 3: It'll just be the place you could find.

932
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 4: So he works out what happens with a variety of

933
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 4: shelter options and transit times. You can read the model

934
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 4: in full online. For low yield nuclear detonations, you can

935
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 4: do better than just sheltering in place, but you will

936
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 4: need a watch and good knowledge of your surroundings. If

937
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 4: the current place you're in is not ideal and there's

938
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 4: a high quality shelter you somehow know is less than

939
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 4: five minutes away, the model says you should skid out

940
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 4: all You should get there as soon as you can.

941
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 4: If you have a poor shelter but a better shelter

942
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 4: is available further away, you should get to it no

943
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 4: later than thirty minutes after detonation, depending on the size

944
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 4: of the city. If everybody follows this advice to the letter,

945
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 4: you could save between ten thousand and one hundred thousand lives.

946
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 4: But I don't think everybody's going to follow that advice,

947
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. It's kind of like a

948
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 4: not too long ago when there was an evacuation order

949
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 4: given to parts of Taran right with oncoming attacks, everybody

950
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 4: evacuated if they could. There weren't people who said, oh,

951
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 4: the news is telling me my neighborhood is safe, so

952
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,399
Speaker 4: I guess I'm just going to kick back.

953
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:00,760
Speaker 3: Nobody does that in these events.

954
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 2: I got a horrifying thought. Guys, that's ten thousand to

955
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand mouths that need to eat food and

956
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 2: to drink podable water and to be able to, you know,

957
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 2: go to the bathroom safely and sleep warmly, you know,

958
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 2: like oh my god.

959
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 4: And drain limited resource capacity as well. And then you know,

960
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 4: our thinking becomes very soviet at that point. And these

961
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 4: are just hypotheticals, but they do need to be discussed.

962
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 4: Would it be possible to calculate that a certain number

963
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 4: of people who would be a resource train might indeed

964
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 4: stay home if they were told to. How much trouble

965
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 4: could you save if you just told them to stay home.

966
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,919
Speaker 2: I've got a vaccine you need to take, ben It's

967
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 2: really important that you take at least two now, and

968
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 2: then three more or later, and then seven and the

969
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 2: seventh one. That's key.

970
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's vaccine plus Yeah, I mean, these are dark things.

971
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 4: And that gets into real politics and dirty businesses that

972
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 4: we don't often discuss in mainstream media, but are very

973
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 4: much real conversations that occur. Let's talk about some of

974
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 4: your worksure. Okay, you make it to your shelter. Why

975
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 4: is your shelter the best? It's because it's made of

976
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 4: concrete or brick. It's ideally buried in the ground. Basements

977
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 4: and subway systems are going to be better than the

978
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 4: bank vault example we're using, because they are so much deeper, right,

979
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 4: and they have dirt, tons of dirt around them, and

980
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 4: got tons of metal and infrastructure that could protect you.

981
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 4: Of course, the ground could collapse around you, but that's

982
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 4: something you're just going to have to roll the dice on.

983
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 3: Yep.

984
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 2: Most preferential is a lead lined refrigerator that have every

985
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 2: thing taken out of it, and then you just take

986
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 2: shelter in that refrigerator. As we've seen Indiana Jones survived

987
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 2: an incredible nuclear explosion.

988
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, he was just a yeah yeah, And I

989
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 4: guess there must have been some intense patting in that

990
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 4: refrigerator too, because he just popped out of it.

991
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 3: Didn't it get didn't it get chalked around? Like?

992
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: Yeah?

993
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, very I haven't seen that one. I just skipped it.

994
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 4: He would have been he would have been just a

995
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 4: glob of human sized anthropologist jelly in real right, Oh,

996
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 4: don't don't hide in your car, and please don't try

997
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 4: to hide in a mobile home.

998
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 5: How are you thinking about desks though, ben our desks

999
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 5: the clear magical safety solutions they were promised.

1000
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 2: Of course, unless you have a cyber truck. Definitely take

1001
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 2: shelter in your cyber truck. They made that claim.

1002
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 3: Have they made that claim? No, wouldn't put it past them.

1003
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. No, there's too much glass on it.

1004
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 5: But if you you couldn't even survive a bow and

1005
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 5: arrow shot, and let alone a nuclear explosion.

1006
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 4: If you find yourself in a building you're indoors when

1007
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 4: this is happening, then head to the center of the

1008
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 4: building as far away from windows and outer walls as

1009
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 4: you can. Head to the basement if they have a basement.

1010
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 4: And again that's going to be regionally dependent. Essentially, the

1011
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 4: more layers you place between yourself and the outside, the better.

1012
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 4: And look, we love improvisation, we love improv but start

1013
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 4: with a plan. In this case, you don't want to

1014
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 4: just sort of see a bright light or a mushroom

1015
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 4: cloud in the sky and say I'm really good at yes.

1016
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 3: Handing, it's probably not going to have the ideal outcome.

1017
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 4: The most crucial aspect for nuclear survival is not putting

1018
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 4: yourself in a place where you have to react on

1019
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 4: the fly. It's putting yourself in a place where you

1020
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 4: can leverage your proactive mechanisms. The stuff you did in

1021
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 4: the past to prepare.

1022
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, like getting used to the taste of human meat. Sorry,

1023
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:05,439
Speaker 2: the very.

1024
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 3: Least ground up insects.

1025
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 4: Sure, ground up insects actually way better choice because as

1026
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 4: we discussed there in Cannibalism Episode one, this sounds weird,

1027
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:20,959
Speaker 4: but here's the truth. One mistake people make about cannibalism

1028
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 4: is that they don't do it until it's too late,

1029
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 4: and the flesh they would have eaten has already been

1030
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 4: exhausted of nutrients. And that's why you're gonna encounter something

1031
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 4: called rabbit starvation. Rabbit like the hop hop animal, not

1032
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 4: like a sickness. That has to do with these speed

1033
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 4: of metabolism, doesn't it. And yeah, respective, yeah, And the

1034
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 4: fact that usually when people are driven to survival, cannibalism

1035
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 4: not religious cannibalism or you know, just for funzies varieties.

1036
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 4: When it's survival cannibalism, they're usually eating the flesh of

1037
01:01:55,920 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 4: someone who's already died of starvation, which means there's very little, uh,

1038
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 4: there's very little nutritional benefit in eating that flesh, which, naturally,

1039
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 4: if we're being cold about it, tells you that the

1040
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 4: smartest I wouldn't say smart, but the ethics society, the

1041
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 4: most efficient survival cannibalism is to choose someone in advance

1042
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 4: and maybe immobilize them and then eat them slowly over

1043
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 4: time before they themselves starve.

1044
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, got it.

1045
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 5: No, I sort of goofed it. It's definitely more to

1046
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 5: do with the nutritional quality of the of the food source.

1047
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 2: Well, that's why you got to get a group of

1048
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 2: friends together who don't mind murdering folks. Hey, this is

1049
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 2: gonna be fun.

1050
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 3: Or do the Stephen King thing from what was?

1051
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 5: It was the story where the doctor is marooned and

1052
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 5: has to slowly eat one piece of himself at a

1053
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 5: time and then he bandages himself up Survivor style or

1054
01:02:59,000 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 5: survivor or something like that.

1055
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's intense. It was a good one.

1056
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is a good one and no supernatural aspects

1057
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 5: at all. It's just like you know very much the

1058
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 5: story of brutal survival. Well, this is thankfully not a

1059
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 5: point you're at yet. In this case, you're not at

1060
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 5: that point because you have other You have other steps

1061
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 5: in your plant. Your plan includes communication strategies with friends,

1062
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 5: loved ones, family members, along with known roots and redundancies

1063
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 5: for shelter and escape. And I think we I can't

1064
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 5: remember if we talked about this on air off mic,

1065
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 5: but did you guys grow up with those kind of

1066
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 5: escape plans like your family ever talked about them with you?

1067
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 3: My parents weren't smart like that.

1068
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I real like fires and never about large scale

1069
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 2: disaster like the whole town goes down or something.

1070
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 3: Like never escape the city. This is the root, this

1071
01:03:58,920 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 3: is the meet up point.

1072
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 2: That's cool, I guess, but it's also I can imagine

1073
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 2: that altering my trajectory a little bit.

1074
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 4: I thought it was normal until I made other friends.

1075
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 4: Ah huh, I thought we all had those, But I guess.

1076
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 4: You know, every every family is a country its own right,

1077
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 4: So look in a mass casualty event, the reason your

1078
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 4: communication plan is going to be crucial is because most

1079
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 4: people are going to be unprepared, They're going to panic,

1080
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 4: they're going to fleet. One thing that Blockbuster movies get

1081
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 4: right is that there are a lot of people who.

1082
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 2: Are carrying guns.

1083
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 4: Carrying guns I would say also not in there at

1084
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 4: their most rational, because they are consumed with saying, you know, hey,

1085
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 4: my kid is at a daycare across town right, my

1086
01:04:53,920 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 4: mom or my spouse is in the hospital twenty miles north,

1087
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 4: So forget everything. I'm going there first. Even if the

1088
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 4: news tells me that part of the city has been flattened,

1089
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 4: I'm still going to go.

1090
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1091
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 4: That that is That's one of the big human aspects,

1092
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 4: very understandable that throws all of these mass movement strategies

1093
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 4: out the window. No matter how well governments and rand

1094
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 4: corporation researched them, you can't account for that.

1095
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:34,439
Speaker 2: That's really it's an intense thing. You guys could could

1096
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 2: both like feel this, I'm sure, but I think in

1097
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 2: particular Nol you'd feel this. Just this concept of knowing

1098
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 2: that you have all these plans in place and you

1099
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 2: might survive, but your child is just going to be

1100
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 2: out there in the wind somewhere, Like could you make

1101
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 2: that decision of I'm going to put my plan into

1102
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 2: place where I'm going to survive without find.

1103
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 3: I don't think first people, I don't think most people could.

1104
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 2: I I don't think I would be able to do that.

1105
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 3: No, I think if anyone, I mean yeah, and for

1106
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 3: for sure.

1107
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 5: And then you know, I think we've talked about this

1108
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 5: in the past, and we've talked about nuclear fallout stories.

1109
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 5: Barefoot Gin is an example of a child that's kind

1110
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 5: of out on it's on their own. And also The

1111
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 5: Grave of the Fireflies is another story about the nuclear

1112
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 5: attacks in Japan where a sibling, you know, older sibling

1113
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 5: and is taking care of their young young sibling. And

1114
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 5: it is a lot but it really does show, you know,

1115
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 5: that untethered kind of you know, divided family situation that

1116
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 5: Matt's describing that the thought of that is terrifying and heartbreaking.

1117
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 4: And Grave of the Fireflies is based on real world events,

1118
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 4: which sorry, I think I say, you guys some stuff

1119
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 4: from the Hiroshima Museum, but these are these are very

1120
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:57,439
Speaker 4: real things that could happen, and that's why having a plan,

1121
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 4: if it all possible, were redundant escape routes that lead

1122
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 4: to the same meetup place, even if it's far away.

1123
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 4: That's why it's a really smart thing to do. Right

1124
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 4: the interstate is clogged up. Luckily, I know that I

1125
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 4: can go this way. It'll take a little bit longer,

1126
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 4: but it's rural and people aren't going to be as

1127
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 4: likely to have rendered that in navigable. And then we can,

1128
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 4: you know, meet up at I'll say it because it's

1129
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 4: no longer the case now, but a family relation has

1130
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 4: had a compound way out in the Moonies and that

1131
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 4: was always our spot and I knew how to get

1132
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 4: there multiple ways. Weird thing to think about in retrospect,

1133
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 4: but if you can do that, that is very smart.

1134
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 4: We also can't assume access to resources like potable water, food, medicine, comms, equipment,

1135
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 4: or fuel. It's great to have all of that in advance,

1136
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 4: even if it's a mobile kit like a toble back in.

1137
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 3: The trunk of your car.

1138
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 4: As long as you're always kind of close to your

1139
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 4: car or stored in a safe place, you know you'll

1140
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 4: be able to access. And then we talked about this too.

1141
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 4: One thing people miss is that it's not enough just

1142
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 4: to have those supplies. You've got to check them, you've

1143
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 4: got to test them. You know, MREs don't necessarily start

1144
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:23,719
Speaker 4: off good, but even they can go bad if they're

1145
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 4: stored at the wrong demperature for long enough time.

1146
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 2: That's why you need the tortilla bucket new from.

1147
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 3: New Chipotle flavor. Yeah, exactly.

1148
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 4: This is this is one hundred percent not accurate because

1149
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 4: a lot of companies are selling this stuff leveraging fear Right.

1150
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:57,680
Speaker 4: You don't need a bunch of super high priced bespoke stuff, right.

1151
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 4: You can go to a lot of local bulk grocery

1152
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 4: suppliers and you can get the same thing for pennies

1153
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 4: on the dollar.

1154
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 2: You know, yep, yep, Bruce's canned yams. If you don't

1155
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:16,759
Speaker 2: have a bunch of those in your basement, you should

1156
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 2: get some now, Bruce's canny.

1157
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 4: Ms, little dotties. Canola oil, a little man with a

1158
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 4: big deal. You don't really need canola oil or you

1159
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 4: know what, We don't know your life.

1160
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:30,640
Speaker 3: Maybe you do.

1161
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:34,839
Speaker 4: Maybe you're like civilization will fall. I will keep my canola.

1162
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 4: There are tons of resources available for this, including things

1163
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 4: like checking schedules. You know, it's It would be similar

1164
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:48,639
Speaker 4: to that Twilight Zone episode spoilers three two one where

1165
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 4: the guy who always wants more time to read, survives

1166
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 4: nuclear tax it breaks his glasses. Imagine making it to

1167
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 4: a shelter. You and a your loved ones are safe.

1168
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 4: You check your huge industrial sized can of garbonzo beans

1169
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 4: or whatever, and it expired three years ago.

1170
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 2: Tut tut, you can still eat them.

1171
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 3: I still do it.

1172
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, you'll have to try, I mean do check to

1173
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:19,759
Speaker 4: see if the if the can is dented or god forbid, bloated.

1174
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:24,599
Speaker 4: But yeah, you'll be in a non Michelin star situation.

1175
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 3: Just deal with that.

1176
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 4: You can also check out shows like our Friend's Casual

1177
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 4: Preppers for more. So why don't we take a second.

1178
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 4: When we're talking short term, let's talk about fallout. So

1179
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 4: it's radioactive particles rise to the air with the mushroom cloud.

1180
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:43,680
Speaker 4: They settle back to ground eventually, not immediately. This is

1181
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:46,639
Speaker 4: this is one of the big dangers for a lot

1182
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 4: of people because it's invisible. The debris is especially dangerous

1183
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 4: in the first few hours. You have that small but

1184
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:59,600
Speaker 4: critical window of about ten to twenty minutes before the

1185
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 4: fall begins to arrive. So if you do have supplies

1186
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 4: but they're in your house twenty miles away, don't attempt

1187
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 4: to get there, just don't try it. You're going to

1188
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 4: get irradiated. Hunker down, lock all the windows in gressg

1189
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 4: exit points you can. And this is the toughest part

1190
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 4: for a lot of people, especially if you have a

1191
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 4: left one that you're trying to reach. If you want

1192
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 4: to survive, you have to plan to stay put for

1193
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 4: a minimum of three days or about seventy two hours.

1194
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Hey, if you still have air conditioning, should you

1195
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:36,679
Speaker 2: turn it off?

1196
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 3: Yes? Why? I don't know. I'd be baffled if there

1197
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 3: was still power.

1198
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 2: I know that's the thing. Well, if you still have power,

1199
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 2: But imagine somebody who has prepped a whole bunch and

1200
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 2: still has, you know, some kind of power source, whether

1201
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 2: it's backup generators or something like that. What they've got

1202
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 2: still an air source that is coming in from the

1203
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 2: outside that isn't fully filtered or something. Well, you just

1204
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 2: have to remember like you're exposing yourself if you do

1205
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 2: something like that.

1206
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, and not in a fun skin imax way. It

1207
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 4: gets bad real quick. You've already sanitized your body, You've

1208
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 4: gotten rid of your clothing, as we discussed earlier, and

1209
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 4: once that's done, you take inventory of supplies for a

1210
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 4: lot of gamers in the crowd. That's the most fun

1211
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 4: part of the game. What do we have already? How

1212
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 4: long will it last?

1213
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 3: What do we need?

1214
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 4: When will we need it? We can assume help is

1215
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 4: on the way. Our most valuable resources are food, water, medicine,

1216
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 4: and communications ability. This is the thing that gets me

1217
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 4: to about communication ability. Because we're putting ourselves in a

1218
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 4: quarantined situation. What is the most likely way we would

1219
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:00,759
Speaker 4: get news from the outside? Would be other people banging

1220
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 4: on the shelter? Would a crank radio work? Who has

1221
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 4: a crank radio? Other than us?

1222
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 3: We're terrible examples.

1223
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 2: I don't know. I would say you need a ham

1224
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 2: radio or smoke signals.

1225
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 3: Every smoked Ham radio. I like smoked ham radio. Let's

1226
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 3: make that a thing we're getting. I guess we're getting

1227
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 3: close to lunch time as well. But I don't know how.

1228
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:28,560
Speaker 4: It'd be tricky to figure out how to communicate with

1229
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 4: the outside world, how to get news about what's happening.

1230
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 4: In the short term, you have to wait for the

1231
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 4: radiation levels to drop. And there's something called the seven

1232
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 4: to ten rule, which I don't think we discussed in

1233
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 4: our previous episode, but it states that after seven hours,

1234
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:50,599
Speaker 4: radiation from a nuclear weapon will the intensity will decrease

1235
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 4: to one tenth of its starting level. After forty eight hours,

1236
01:13:55,600 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 4: it's one percent of the original intensity. So it's a

1237
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 4: waiting game. And on the upside, this gives you time

1238
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 4: to think about the mid terms. You know, how do

1239
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 4: we hear news about stuff outside the shelter?

1240
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 3: Are there more weapons in the air?

1241
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 4: Has the government made any statement about the military or

1242
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 4: emergency assistance. Is it safe to go outside yet? Are

1243
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 4: there specific shelters set up like the ones Germany has planning.

1244
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:27,640
Speaker 4: You'll also need to start thinking about how long you

1245
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 4: can stay in that shelter past seventy two hours. Water

1246
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 4: is going to be the key thing there, even more

1247
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 4: important than food, because if you're a human adult, you

1248
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 4: need between two point seven and three point seven liters

1249
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 4: of water a day. That can come from beverages that

1250
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 4: are not water, right, coffee, soda, whatever, It can come

1251
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 4: from food. About twenty percent of the average human adults

1252
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 4: water intake is from food, but that number doesn't count

1253
01:14:54,680 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 4: anything other than water for ingestion. So washing clothes could

1254
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 4: have drank, flushing commos with water you could have drank.

1255
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 4: That makes a difference. Water is going to play a

1256
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:10,640
Speaker 4: big role in how you determine your next actions.

1257
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:16,719
Speaker 2: I'm trying to imagine, guys, the drive that it would

1258
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 2: take to do all of this stuff that would be

1259
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 2: necessary in hopes of simply surviving.

1260
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 3: I don't know, and surviving to what end? What world

1261
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 3: do you return to?

1262
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 2: Well, I guess it. Maybe if you could somehow wrap

1263
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:42,879
Speaker 2: your mind around the possibility of something better being created.

1264
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,720
Speaker 2: We've seen it over and over and over again in

1265
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 2: popular culture about like that's the concept we're gonna survive this,

1266
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:53,440
Speaker 2: and we're going to rebuild something better, something more, equitable,

1267
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 2: something more or whatever. Just good God, it would take

1268
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 2: the time it would take to get to that place.

1269
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 2: I don't know how you put yourself in a mental

1270
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:09,719
Speaker 2: framework to just get through literally seventy two hours.

1271
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's such a gambit as well, because there's

1272
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 4: so many unknowns.

1273
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 3: I mean.

1274
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 4: Another thing that would be rare for people to have

1275
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 4: is a radiation detection device. Yeah, they who pulled up

1276
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 4: their Geiger counter? Who's fiddling with that right now?

1277
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:26,600
Speaker 3: A lot of.

1278
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 2: My buddy Nick, remember Nick, Yeah, we're talking about it,

1279
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:36,799
Speaker 2: like yeah, uap, he's got a crazy sophisticated nuclear detection

1280
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 2: device he's out using right now.

1281
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 3: Great, Well tell them though, hold on to it and

1282
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 3: give us a good give us a good wreck.

1283
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 4: Uh, and talk about price points because that can help

1284
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:48,759
Speaker 4: you determine if it's safe to go outside.

1285
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 3: You know.

1286
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 4: But a lot of people aren't going to have that

1287
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 4: because why would you. It's not a multifunctional thing. You

1288
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 4: don't use it for other stuff. It doesn't also brew coffee,

1289
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 4: which is another great idea. If we can make a

1290
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 4: radiation detector device that does other stuff, more people will

1291
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 4: buy them.

1292
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 2: That's a good idea.

1293
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 3: That's good. It's up.

1294
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 4: There was smoke dam radio right, yeah, radiation detecting. This

1295
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:19,639
Speaker 4: press the tool and there we go. So the concept

1296
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 4: of long term survival is really tough to answer. Maybe

1297
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:24,760
Speaker 4: this is where we end. It folds in more and

1298
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 4: more variables, and a lot of those are going to

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Speaker 4: be impossible to grasp until you're in that situation. Things

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Speaker 4: like does the government continue? Is help finally coming? Could

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Speaker 4: I and my loved ones escape to a safer region?

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Speaker 4: Are there humans that we need to worry.

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Speaker 3: About on the way right?

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Speaker 4: That that's where the collapse of rule of law will

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Speaker 4: naturally create that mixed with desperation will naturally create some

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Speaker 4: very hard case characters.

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Speaker 2: Especially if you've got stuff and they don't have stuff.

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Speaker 4: Right right, I was hanging with a dear friend of mine.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys ever met him, but

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Speaker 4: he has very different philosophies than me and probably all

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Speaker 4: of us. And he told me one time, when we

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Speaker 4: were talking about some preparation things we were doing, he said,

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Speaker 4: I don't have to worry about preparing because I have this,

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Speaker 4: and he held up one of his firearms, and then

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Speaker 4: he pointed to other houses in this area and he said,

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Speaker 4: which means I have this, and I have this, and

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Speaker 4: I have this as well.

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Speaker 2: Good luck, buddy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, man, because you don't know what

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Speaker 4: they have. Anyway, it's a bad way to think as well.

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Speaker 4: We hope this all stays theoretical. We think this is

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Speaker 4: important to know. There's a lot of stuff they don't

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Speaker 4: want you to know that we discussed here. Full on

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Speaker 4: nuclear war is still luckily considered an unlikely scenario, at

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Speaker 4: least that is until it happens. So we'd love to

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Speaker 4: hear if you and your loved ones have bug out

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Speaker 4: plans roots, prepared alters or without being nihilistic. Are you

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Speaker 4: one of the people who would just rather things end

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Speaker 4: quickly versus sticking around to experience all the consequences. Tell

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Speaker 4: us your thoughts. Thanks, as always so much for tuning in.

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