1 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, Friends and neighbors. My favorite letter 2 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: of the English alphabet is Z, and my name is Ben, 3 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: my name is Noel, and I my favorite song is 4 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: the ABC song and uh. For the purposes of today's episode, 5 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: it goes like this, A B D E, F G 6 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: H I, K L, M N O, P R S 7 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: t U V z APP. I don't know how to 8 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: pronounce these characters. Think of characters, right, Ben Franklin, boy, 9 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: and also Noel, you laughed at me. We were hanging 10 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: out yesterday and I tried singing that song with this uh. Folks, 11 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: you may notice that in the rendition of the alphabet 12 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: song you just heard, there were some prominent letters missing. 13 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: And it turns out that's not an accident. This was 14 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: on purpose. You see. There was a fellow, a founding 15 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: father named Benjamin Franklin who did many, many things right. 16 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: He was a renaissance man. He was Polly Maath of sorts, 17 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: a genius. Most people consider him um an elder statesman 18 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: and as you say, founding father, but also an inventor, 19 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: a scientist, a postmaster, and a diplomat. And he just 20 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: kind of did all the things. And today he is 21 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: um sort of an American legend, and there are a 22 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: lot of stories about the guy that turn out later 23 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: not to be entirely true, you know, but it is 24 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: true that he was a prolific renaissance man. As an inventor. 25 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: He created things like by vocals, he created the lightning rod, 26 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: He created us some swimming flippers, sets for hands, flexible catheters, 27 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: which is weird that there was a time when they 28 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: were inflexible catheters, I know, and the ode dometer. But 29 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: one of the things that people might not know about 30 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: Benjamin Franklin is that in addition to inventing things, he 31 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: also improved a lot of things, or tempted to. And 32 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: one of the things that he attempted to improve was 33 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: the English language itself. Yeah, and it's like, you know, 34 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: we we all know that odometers are around still, swimming 35 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: flippers are around, still, bifocals, no one's really made them 36 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: much better than than than old Ben Franklin. But you know, 37 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: we don't really hear much about a redone English alphabet 38 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: that that sticks around to this day, and that's because 39 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: it was a bit of a flop. But before we 40 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: get into its ridiculous, abysmal failure, let's talk a little 41 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: bit about what this thing was. Ben, absolutely no, do 42 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: you recall hooked on Phonics? Were hooked on filens kid? 43 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: It worked for me? There we go. Yeah, Hooked on 44 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: Phonics was this program in the US, at least in 45 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: the US, possibly in other places. Uh, that taught children 46 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: how to pronounce letters and combinations of letters in English 47 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: based on sounding them out. It worked so well for me, though, 48 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: that I ended up in phonics rehab. Oh yeah, you 49 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: had to. I had a problem. I had a real 50 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: phonics problem. Monkey on my back. But I'm cool now. Yeah. Yeah, 51 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: I don't pronounce anything correctly. It's one day at a time, right. 52 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: So Ben Franklin invented a phonetic alphabet. He did successfully 53 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: invent this. He hoped that other people would be fans 54 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: of the invention and that this alphabet would ultimately replace 55 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: the alphabet we used today, and he started by removing letters. 56 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: He did um. Franklin's alphabet basically acted six letters, and 57 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: those were C, J Q, double you, X, and Y. 58 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: You'll notice they were missing from my little alphabet ditty 59 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the show because he thought they 60 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: were redundant. Right. He argued that For example, the letter 61 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: K could handle the hard C sounds, so no need 62 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: for C. You can use okay for that. And then 63 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: the letter S could give a soft C sound, so 64 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: C was gone. Um. And then he also added six 65 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: more characters, which, for for my money, we are unpronounceable. 66 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: When you see them, they look like something out of 67 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: the necronomicon UM, but they were pretty functional um. From 68 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: Franklin's perspective. There were basically two vowels and four new consonants, 69 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: and his idea was to add clarity in pronunciation, and 70 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: his characters were specifically based around sounds. So, for example, 71 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: he had a new consonant that made the en g 72 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: sound um at the end of like running or or 73 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: or reaping or seeking. Right, Yeah, you can see you 74 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: can see the gist or the simplification, or at least 75 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: the well intentioned steps towards simplification. Franklin worked on this 76 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: for a long time. He initially developed the alphabet in 77 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: seventeen sixty eight, but he didn't start publishing it or 78 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: or floating it around until a little more than ten 79 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: years later in seventeen seventy nine. UM. He also published 80 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: some letters that he had written in this language, and 81 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: in seventeen eighty nine, Noah Webster, who had heard of 82 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: Franklin's proposal, included a description of it in his book 83 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: Dissertations on the English Language. However, there was a problem. Webster, 84 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: you see, did not have the correct type blocks because 85 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: at the time they had to use blocks, handcut blocks 86 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: for printing presses, and he couldn't really describe the alphabet. 87 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: Webster couldn't because he didn't have those special six characters 88 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: cut out in a block, so he couldn't really illustrate 89 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 1: Franklin's changes, and the alphabet itself really didn't you know. 90 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: People didn't get it or see it in action until 91 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: Franklin had new blocks cast to print the alphabet for 92 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: his seventeen seventy nine collection called Political, Miscellaneous and Philosophical Pieces. 93 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: It's interesting too, because Webster was one of the very 94 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: very few uh supporters of this new alphabet UM, because 95 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: he was all about UM standardizing American spelling, and this 96 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: was a big thing for Franklin too. He argued that 97 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: his alphabet would help people spell better, would would reduce 98 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: spelling errors. UM. And it's interesting there are a few 99 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: letters that Franklin exchanged with his friend and confidante, Polly Stevenson, 100 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: who was the daughter of his landlady in London. And 101 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 1: you know he gave her away at her wedding, and 102 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: it was a very important person in his life. And 103 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: she had some interesting objections to UM this new alphabet, 104 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: and here Um Franklin responds to a few of them. Um, 105 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: I give you a quote from this letter. Here. The 106 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: objection you make to rectifying our alphabet, that it will 107 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: be attended with inconveniences and difficulties, is a natural one, 108 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: for always occurs when any reformation is proposed, whether in religion, 109 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: government laws, and even down as low as roads and 110 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: wheel carriages. The true question then is not whether there 111 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: will be no difficulties or inconveniences, but whether the conveniences 112 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: will not, on the whole, be greater than the inconveniences. 113 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: So you know, the whole making Omelet you gotta break 114 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: a few eggs argument right right. It's asking people a 115 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: lot to change the way that they speak and write. 116 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: Because if you've ever looked into um an Encyclopedia entry 117 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: and you've seen the pronounce ciation guide, you know where 118 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: they have the strange characters and tell you this is 119 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: a glottal sound is yeah, yeah, the unstressed central vale 120 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: build upside downy in the International Phonetic Alphabet. When when 121 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: you see that, you can if you're not familiar with 122 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: pronunciation guides, then you can kind of get a sense 123 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: of how someone would feel reading a letter in Ben 124 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: Franklin English versus you know English English totally. And when 125 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: you read some of these exerts that he wrote in 126 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: this alphabet, your brain kind of has to kind of 127 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: like do a some gymnastics to even parse that file. 128 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: And once it does, it does kind of click for you. 129 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: It's really interesting the way you can make that leap. 130 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 1: But another interesting criticism from Franklin's friend Polly Stevenson was 131 00:08:54,600 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: the idea that changing the language would obscure etymology of 132 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: words and their meaning. Uh and Franklin could not disagree more. 133 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:10,119 Speaker 1: His response was this, um, etymologies are at present very uncertain, 134 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: but such as they are, the old books would still 135 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 1: preserve them, an etymologists would there find them. Words in 136 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: the course of time change their meaning as well as 137 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: their spelling and pronunciation, and we do not look to 138 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: etymology for their present meanings. Um. So he really had 139 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: a deep philosophical belief that this was the right thing 140 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: to do. And it's interesting because, you know, we talked 141 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: about at the top of the show what a renaissance 142 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: man Franklin was and all the things he invented. But 143 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: one of his biographers kind of referred to this whole 144 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: exercise as taking Franklin's passion for social improvement to radical 145 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: extremes right. And one of the reasons that he did 146 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: find some prominent supporters is because there was an ideological 147 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: and political aspect to the generation of this language, or 148 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: the revision of the language from across the Atlantic. In 149 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: his Peace in seventeen eighty nine, Noah Webster argues, the 150 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: following cheval circumstances render future separation of the American tongue 151 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 1: from the English necessary and unavoidable. I'm doing a Webster voice. 152 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: Numerous slibrical causes, such as a new country, new associations 153 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: of people, new combinations of ideas and arts and science, 154 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: and some intercourse with tribes wholly unknown in Europe, will 155 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: introduce new words to the American tongue. So he was 156 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: arguing that Ben Franklin's concept was timely and prescient, and 157 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: that American English would need to have the opportunity to 158 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: become its own thing. And we do see, we do 159 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: see different versions of the English language dividing, you know, 160 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 1: at least in terms of slang or figures of speech. 161 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: But this idea was radical. This, this idea was paving 162 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: the way for a written version of American English to 163 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: be unintelligible to another English speaker. And to Franklin, language 164 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: um was speech before writing. And then in a lot 165 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: of ways, writing was sort of an inconvenient byproduct of language. 166 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: It was just like a thing you had to do 167 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: to preserve stories and data and such. But it was 168 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 1: ultimately a byproduct and not the first and foremost concern 169 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: to Franklin, at least right. Another quote from one of 170 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: these letters to Polly Stevenson addressed her third objection, which 171 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: was that all books already written would become useless. And 172 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: you know to that, and I agree with this Franklin response. 173 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: This inconvenience would only come on gradually in a course 174 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: of ages, Um, you and other now living readers would 175 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: hardly forget the use of them. People would long learn 176 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: to read the old writings though they practiced the new. 177 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: And the inconvenience is not greater than what has actually 178 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: happened in a similar case in Italy. And you know 179 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: that's been formally Italians spoken wrote in Latin. Doesn't mean 180 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: that they burned all the books that were in Latin. 181 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: They're still even today around here people that speak Latin 182 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: and that do translations. And translations becomes a very important 183 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: thing because you know, you have to know the original 184 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: language and the context and be able to translate the 185 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: nuances of it. Um. So you know, I mean to 186 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: say that to reinvent a language is inherently bad, I 187 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: think as false agreed, especially if it is a living language. 188 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: A living language is defined as a language that has 189 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: living native speakers. And you know, we we know that 190 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: there are dead languages in the world unfortunately throughout history. 191 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: And we can see the written evidence of these languages. 192 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: I can hear them, reference to read them referenced in 193 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: other works of the same rough historical era. But we 194 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: don't know for sure how these sounded languages change over time. 195 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: One of my favorite things about American English is that 196 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: anything can be a verb. Anything could be a verb. 197 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: You just uh, just name something and then add I 198 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: n G and now it's a verba. Let's see walling. 199 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: You know, Ben Bullen ing Noel Brown ning, Yeah, exactly, 200 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: Noel Brown ending Noel Brown to the brown ing. Yeah, 201 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 1: I think I think I added an extra syllable there. 202 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: But you know what, we're going to keep it. And 203 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: as ambitious as it might sound, you and I were 204 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: talking off air about the kind of chuts. But someone 205 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: would have to have to see there you go yecause 206 00:13:50,320 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: I would say hotspot living language of my friend's. So 207 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,719 Speaker 1: how irritated does someone have to be by what is 208 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 1: essentially a tomato tomato argument? Uh? To say, I am 209 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: going to change the entire language. Everyone who's already speaking 210 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: this needs to conform to my expectations of what language 211 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: would be. There's a really interesting thing that happens. At 212 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: some point when most people are learning the basics of 213 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: a new language, there will typically be a moment where 214 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: they say, well, why do you do it that way? 215 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: That's dumb? Why Why does um? Why does every now 216 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: and have to have a gender attached to it or 217 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: something like that, And the answer is, because that's the language. 218 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: That's the way this language works, and it can feel, 219 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: it can feel kind of um. I don't know if 220 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: it's condescending or if it'sself centered for someone learning the 221 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: language to tell everybody else already speaking it that they're 222 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: doing it wrong and they should change for one person. 223 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting too that one of Franklin's big 224 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: concerns in doing this alphabet was to eliminate spelling errors, 225 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: which I find utterly pedantic, you know, and absurd, because 226 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: again it's like, you know, if you're a purist, okay, 227 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: that's fine. If if you're a stickler for the spelling, 228 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: I get that, But ultimately, you know, what someone saying, 229 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: if the communication is successful, isn't a successful is it? 230 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: Isn't that what matters the most? And in fact, um, 231 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: you know, Webster actually persisted in published books, as you said, 232 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: using um a sort of adapted orthography that was I 233 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: believe it was not exactly Franklin's, but he sort of 234 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: used that as a jumping off point and developed something 235 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: of his own. And he was ridiculed by critics. And this, 236 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: this uh new language was called unsightly um and and 237 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: corrupting bastardization of the the proper English language. And that's 238 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: you know, that's another question, right, at what point is 239 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: it evolution? And at what point is it devolution. You know, 240 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,479 Speaker 1: at what point are they deluding or ruining a language 241 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: versus improving, Because one alphabet entrepreneurs improvement is another alphabet entrepreneurs, 242 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: you know, downfall. They see it as the ruination of language. 243 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: And Noah Webster did succeed in creating an American spelling 244 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: but he did also eventually walk away from alphabet reform, 245 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: which he saw is a bit too radical. And it 246 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: turns out he was absolutely on the money about the 247 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: importance of political identity or you know, and in language. 248 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: And we see this happening in other countries as well. 249 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: There was a cool article in the Atlantic monthly magazine 250 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: uh In that talked about how alphabet shifts became common 251 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: in times of instability and former Soviet republics, for instance, 252 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: Alphabet shifts became so common that people started calling the 253 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: phenomenon new alphabet disease. So, you know, Azerbaijan is probably 254 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: the most famous example. They've changed the alphabet three times, 255 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: the whole thing. That's insane in the last hundred years. 256 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: How could you keep up Okay, hundred years, I guess 257 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: you got time to learn it. But even still that 258 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: seems very extreme because, like you said, it's so tied 259 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: to national identity, which I think is probably the main 260 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: reason that this this exercise from Mr Franklin just totally 261 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: fell flat. And he, you know, I'm getting this sensinel 262 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: that he was very much a spaghetti at the wall 263 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: kind of guy. He had stuff, he came up with, 264 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: he had idea, he just went for it. Did you 265 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: know that he even suggested that the eagle was not 266 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: an appropriate icon for America and that it should instead 267 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: be the turkey. Yes, yeah, the turkey, which I think 268 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: he said was a proud bird exactly. He said it 269 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: was a that the eagle was a bird of bad 270 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: moral character. So you out. Franklin was also a bit 271 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: of a troll, which I love, you know. But it's 272 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: like this whole alphabet thing. When you look at it 273 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 1: from an academic perspective and from the mind of a 274 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: brilliant thinker like Ben Franklin, you could see how maybe 275 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: he would think this was a good idea, but in 276 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: practice it's just too much of a pain in the ass, 277 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: right right it is. The people are very sensitive about language, 278 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: especially because we use it so often. Even if uh, 279 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: there were higher rates of illiteracy as there were in 280 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: this time people are still speaking, right, so we're consistently 281 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: using the rules of language, even if we're not using 282 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: the the written aspects of it. And that's why this 283 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: becomes important. Um for Azerbai shot just to like walk 284 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: through real quick what had happened was it went from 285 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: Arabic to Latin, then from Latin to Cyrillic. Uh. This 286 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: was Arabic to Latin nineteen twenties, Latin just really in 287 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties, and then from Cyrillic to Latin again 288 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: most recently. And they're not alone. Uh. Former North Korean 289 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: leader or DPRK leader Kim Jong Il was lauded for 290 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: his quote immortal feats for unified development of national language 291 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: fearless leader. Yeah. He also rewrote the alphabet. They say 292 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 1: it sounds about right. What are you gonna do? What 293 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: else are you gonna do when you're at the top. 294 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: Are you trying to get a gift for that dictator 295 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 1: in your life who already has everything, get him an alphabet? Yeah? Well, 296 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 1: you know he's just trying out different haircuts and inventing 297 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: new alphabets. That's what you do. And people have tried 298 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: phonetic language is before in the past. There was a 299 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: guy we found named William Bullocar, a sixteenth century printer, 300 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: who created get this, a forty letter phonetic alphabet that 301 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: seems like too many letters, seems like what the what 302 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: was the function? The function was you know how Franklin 303 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: added those six new characters to indicate some groups of sounds. 304 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: This guy was doing some of the same stuff. There's 305 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: been a spade of this over time. People are constantly 306 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: trying to come up with their own version of the alphabet, 307 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: it seems, and it's kind of treated like cryptocurrency might 308 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: be a fad here today, gone tomorrow. But typically what 309 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 1: we see in the past is that when people try 310 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: to construct these phonetic languages, they do the same thing 311 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: Ben Franklin was doing. There. You know, they'll have one 312 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: letter that means I N G. At least Ben Franklin 313 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: was trying to simplify, and it's subtracting rather than adding knowe. 314 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: You know though, Ben uh, this still happening today, albeit 315 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: in in something of a fictional realm. Have you heard 316 00:20:55,480 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: of arabsh Is it a language from space? Ohh yes, Ben, 317 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, it is from a galaxy 318 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: far far away. In fact um. It first appeared on 319 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: like uh computer readouts or spaceship readouts in Return of 320 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: the Jedi UM, which is part of the original Star 321 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: Wars trilogy. And it was in the Death Star actually 322 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: um and one of Darth Vader's shuttles. This is all 323 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: according to wookie Pedia, which is a thing that I love. UM. 324 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: And then in the nineties a guy named Stephen Crane 325 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: kind of transcribed this alphabet for use in a Star 326 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 1: Wars miniature role playing game called Star Wars Miniature's Battle Companion, 327 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: and it was given the blessing of Lucasfilm and now 328 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: you can get it in font sets. It's a thirty 329 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: four letter alphabet UM. And it actually was expanded to 330 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 1: have punctuation marks in an update to the role playing 331 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: game that like a supplement that came out a few 332 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: years later. So you know, even Ben Franklin's the thing 333 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: didn't stick around. At least it perseveres in nerd culture absolutely. 334 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: And before you send the email, yes, we are very 335 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: aware that Tolkien himself was created languages. A lot of 336 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: times you will hear uh certain members of our cohort 337 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: here House of Works referred to Tolkien as a linguist 338 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: who made up a story to rationalize the languages he 339 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: was inventing. Is that what was used in the Peter 340 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: Jackson film when you see the etchings on the one 341 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 1: ring or whatever? Is that? Yeah? I think that's the 342 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: language of Mordor. That's right, that's right, that's right, that's 343 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 1: right exactly. And uh and yeah, the Elvish that they 344 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: speak was developed as an actual language. Look at and 345 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: and people are speaking cling on, people are doing marriage 346 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: officiations and cling on. Man, it's a brave new world, 347 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: my friend. And apparently George Bernard Shaw, famous playwright, had 348 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: a huge issue with the English language. Uh, so much 349 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: so that he one time, I don't entirely get this. 350 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: I want to see what you think of this. One 351 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: time he said that the word fish may as well 352 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: be written as g H O T I. The g 353 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: h is from laugh, the O from woman or women, 354 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: and the t i from nation. So he's saying the 355 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 1: way they fit together phonetically doesn't make sense. Yeah, And 356 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: he said the alphabet was hopelessly inadequate. And when he died, 357 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: he left money in his will to develop a new one, 358 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: one last like Shot from the Dark. I bet he 359 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: and Franklin and Webster would have would have been buddies. 360 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: I bet they would have been principle, but then they 361 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 1: probably would have started arguing. Yeah exactly. Uh. The George 362 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: Bernard Shaw competition attracted four hundred and sixty seven entries 363 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: and the winner was a guy named Kingsley Reed, who 364 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 1: had a phonetically accurate alphabet of forty eight letters, twenty 365 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: four vowels, and twenty four consonant. According to the clause 366 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: and Shaw's will, this alphabet had to be used alongside 367 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: the traditional alphabet in the new posthumous publications Play and 368 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: fifty three thousand copies of Andrew Cles and the Lion 369 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: were printed, and one copy was given to each public 370 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: library in Britain, the Commonwealth, and North and South America, 371 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: and to all the national libraries of the world. So 372 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 1: this book is out there and you can find that 373 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: award winning alphabet phonetic alphabet. It's called, of course, goatie fingers. 374 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: Goat fingers. Yeah, I know it sounds like something delicious 375 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: from a takeout menu. But goats had hooves, yes, but 376 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: these are not goat exactly, These are gotee. So what 377 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: are some other invented languages. I know that it seems 378 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: like so much that we I feel like we're cutting 379 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 1: it short, but I want to let you fly, Ben 380 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: oh Man, Okay, yes, thank you for setting me up. There. No, 381 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: just briefly we have to mention Esperanto, which is one 382 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 1: of the world's most popular constructed auxiliary languages. It was 383 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: designed not to be necessarily a first language, but a 384 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: common tongue that anybody could speak, and it has like 385 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: two million speakers worldwide and a William Shatner starring movie, 386 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, right, Yes, his shining moment in 387 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: the nineteen sixty six film Incubus, which my friends who 388 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: speak Esperanto tell me is hilarious due to pronunciation. Sorry, 389 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: Mr sh they made us just event have us quote 390 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: yet the last time? Three time? Yes sounds aloud. It 391 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 1: sounds beautiful, right speaking of Renaissance men, Yes, exactly there. 392 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: And of course Ben Franklin is probably going to be 393 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: a recurring character in the story of Ridiculous History because 394 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: he got up to some really weird stuff. He was 395 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 1: a kinkster. Yes, yes, he was kickster. Uh. He was 396 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: a fan of air baths. People found skeletons, baths yeah, 397 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: is that like Airbnb? It could be in an Airbnb. 398 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: It's uh, it's you know, it's reclining in the buff, 399 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: bathing in the air. He's hanging out naked. Oh okay, 400 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: why not just call it streaking. It was a different time. 401 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: He also made improvements to something called the glass harmonica, 402 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: which sounds super spooky. Uh and uh. Skeletons were found 403 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: under one of his old abodes. Not in his close 404 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: it though, No, no, no, not in this closet. He 405 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: was legit. He was legit. If anything, they were probably 406 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: medical experiments. But that's a story you and I will 407 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 1: have to research for another day. In the meantime, we'd 408 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: like to hear from you. If you are listening to this, 409 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that 410 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: you probably write stuff in English. What improvements would you 411 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: make to the English language? And hey, if you happen 412 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 1: to have invented your own improved English alphabet, write us 413 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: something in that. Send us your phonetic musings too ridiculous 414 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: at how stuff works dot com, or drop us a 415 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: note on Facebook, where we're also Ridiculous History, and we're 416 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: also on Instagram as Ridiculous History. Um. I've driven this 417 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: pinterest joke into the ground, so I'm not even gonna 418 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: say it. All I'm gonna say is where we will 419 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: never have a Pinterest. We will never have a Pinterest. Well, 420 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: let's put a pin in it. That's not a hard 421 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: no yet I don't pin well as as Nolan. I 422 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: resolve this. Uh we bid you Ado and hope you 423 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: will tune in again very soon for more ridiculous history.