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Speaker 2: with the former NFL defensive back now an analyst at
Speaker 2: the Mothership. One of the smartest football people I know,
Speaker 2: Dominic Foxworth will join us. Former Cowboys head coach Jason
Speaker 2: Garrett a little bit later on as well. Not a
Speaker 2: free agent frenzy yesterday, but still some notable names.
Speaker 3: Joey Bosa going to Buffalo.
Speaker 2: That to me is spicy because I thought he might
Speaker 2: go to San Francisco to play with his brother, but
Speaker 2: he goes to Buffalo.
Speaker 3: That's a nice addition for them.
Speaker 2: DeAndre Hopkins going to the Ravens got a lot of coverage,
Speaker 2: too much coverage because I think we're still living in
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. You know, Raven's got d hop Okay, they're
Speaker 2: going to get DeAndre Hopkins and hope that he has
Speaker 2: one or two games where you go, that's why they
Speaker 2: got him. Maybe he's going to have seven catches where
Speaker 2: you go, Ah, look at those catches, and they might
Speaker 2: be big catches for them. But DeAndre Hopkins getting a
Speaker 2: hundred balls not going to happen. But DeAndre Hopkins going
Speaker 2: to the Ravens, Joey Bosa goes to Buffalo. March madness
Speaker 2: punching their tickets. Bob Morris, UNC, Wilmington, Saint Francis of PA,
Speaker 2: and Gonzaga. The Cleveland Cavaliers are getting too good for
Speaker 2: shows networks to avoid them. I mean, that's how good
Speaker 2: they've gotten, because I can guarantee you Mothership and Fox
Speaker 2: and anybody else is.
Speaker 3: Going they want again, they want again.
Speaker 2: They're fifty five and ten. That's tied for the fifth
Speaker 2: best record through sixty five games in NBA history. You
Speaker 2: have to cover them now. Not exciting. I watch them.
Speaker 2: They're a really good team. They're a balanced team. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's not the kind of thing where you go, hey,
Speaker 2: tonight the Cavaliers. All right, hey, tune in for teamwork tonight.
Speaker 2: Watch the Cavaliers play both ends of the floor tonight
Speaker 2: on TNT yes Seaton.
Speaker 4: Which is funny because it's kind of what critics of
Speaker 4: the NBA are always looking for. Where's the fundamentals, where's
Speaker 4: the teamwork? All this individual iso play, That's not the
Speaker 4: game I grew up watching.
Speaker 2: So the Cavaliers fifty five and ten. The Warriors in
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen went fifty nine and six. The nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: five Bulls went fifty eight and seven. The Bulls in
Speaker 2: ninety six went fifty six and nine, the seventy six
Speaker 2: ers in eighty two and fifty six and nine. Those
Speaker 2: are the only teams who have had a better record
Speaker 2: through sixty five games. And please don't do this, Please,
Speaker 2: if you're an analyst at a network on a radio show,
Speaker 2: don't say the following, Yeah, but what are they going
Speaker 2: to do in the postseason? This is about the regular season.
Speaker 2: If that's the case, do we go, Yeah, Shay Gilge's MVP,
Speaker 2: but what's he going to do in the postseason? This
Speaker 2: is about the regular season. It's like the Seattle Mariners
Speaker 2: won one hundred and sixteen games. I didn't think they
Speaker 2: were built for the playoffs, but you still have to
Speaker 2: acknowledge that they won one hundred and sixteen games and
Speaker 2: they proved not to be have not to have a
Speaker 2: pitching staff that was built for the postseason. But Cleveland
Speaker 2: has done a wonderful thing here. They play really good basketball.
Speaker 2: It's not maybe your type of basketball, exciting basketball, you know,
Speaker 2: flinging threes all over the place. But Seaton makes a
Speaker 2: great point. This is about playing winning basketball. That's not exciting,
Speaker 2: that's not going to get you clicks, that's not going
Speaker 2: to get you the featured game on TNT or the Mothership.
Speaker 2: But the Cavaliers beat the Nets. They've won fifteen in
Speaker 2: a row, first NBA team to have multiple winning streaks
Speaker 2: of fifteen or more games in a season since the
Speaker 2: six Phoenix Suns. They're that good that you have to
Speaker 2: cover them, which is kind of interesting, but I enjoy
Speaker 2: watching them. If you're going to talk about Shay Gilgis,
Speaker 2: you got to give him the MVP because he's playing
Speaker 2: on the team of the best record in the West.
Speaker 2: Then you have to have consideration for Donovan Mitchell. Donovan
Speaker 2: Mitchell is the best player on the team with the
Speaker 2: best record in the NBA. He's not going to win.
Speaker 2: He's probably going to get a ton of third place votes.
Speaker 2: It'll be SGA, then it'll be Joker, and then it'll
Speaker 2: be Donovan Mitchell. Just be fair, cover the sports. Just
Speaker 2: be fair occasionally and acknowledge some of these sports that
Speaker 2: they're not going to, you know, make the headlines here.
Speaker 2: They're not a ratings draw. But our job is still
Speaker 2: to cover sports. We may go once again. I was
Speaker 2: there for a couple of the Spurs NBA Championships, and
Speaker 2: I can tell you there was an audible groan. When
Speaker 2: Ugh got to go to San Antonio again. You still
Speaker 2: saw one of the greatest teams in NBA history, I mean,
Speaker 2: with David and Tim Manu, Tony Sean Elliott, one of
Speaker 2: the greatest coaches in history.
Speaker 3: But it wasn't exciting.
Speaker 2: We'd rather see a team that is more exciting, not
Speaker 2: as good, and maybe they don't win a championship, but boy,
Speaker 2: they were fun to watch.
Speaker 3: Yes, Marvin, the.
Speaker 5: Crazy thing is the best offensive basketball I've ever seen
Speaker 5: played in my entire life, all forty years of Marvin
Speaker 5: Prince's life. Twenty fourteen Spurs when they molly wopped the
Speaker 5: heat in five games. That is what basketball is supposed
Speaker 5: to be.
Speaker 3: It's so boring.
Speaker 5: That's what you guys wanted, Just like seeing said earlier,
Speaker 5: you guys want all this teamwork. And then when people
Speaker 5: have teamwork, they're not exciting. They don't draw ratings.
Speaker 3: These guys don't shoot sixty threes. You know.
Speaker 2: That's but you know, we've kind of gotten accustomed to
Speaker 2: that's exciting basketball, or that's basketball, and that's not necessarily
Speaker 2: the case. Cleveland is a really good team, really good too,
Speaker 2: and they'll have home court advantage and let's see what
Speaker 2: they do when they, you know, collide with the Boston Celtics.
Speaker 2: I mean that's probably what it's going to come down to. Yes, Sedon,
Speaker 2: I'm on.
Speaker 4: NBA dot Com right now looking at the MVP ladder. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and they Donovan Mitchell right now? Do you want to
Speaker 4: guess where he is in the top ten?
Speaker 2: Oh? You extended it to top ten? Yeah, well I
Speaker 2: had to. I'm gonna say, well I had to. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say he's eighth.
Speaker 4: You're close. He's seventh. Two weeks ago he was tenth. Yeah,
Speaker 4: now he's moved up to seventh. He is behind let's
Speaker 4: he's starting at one, Shay Gildess, Alexander Nikola, Jokic, Jannis
Speaker 4: Jason Tatum, Lebron James is at five, Jalen Brunson and
Speaker 4: then Donovan Mitchell. Okay, his Steph just behind him, Kate
Speaker 4: Cunningham and Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 2: Okay, but Jalen Brunce is a head of Donovan Mitchell. Correct, Like,
Speaker 2: I gotta give that. What is value is value being notable,
Speaker 2: getting clicks, being popular highlights? Like, is what is value
Speaker 2: now to where it used to be? Your team is
Speaker 2: winning at a historical pace. If he's if Donovan Mitchell
Speaker 2: was averaging twenty nine instead of whatever he's averaging twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four, then then all of a sudden he's third,
Speaker 2: because it'd be easy to.
Speaker 3: Go, well, yeah, he's averaging almost thirty.
Speaker 2: Well, he's averaging twenty four, and it feels like there's
Speaker 2: a big difference between twenty four and twenty nine that
Speaker 2: SGA and he's averaging thirty. Well, if he's averaging twenty four,
Speaker 2: is SGA going to be the MVP?
Speaker 3: I don't think so. It's tricky, Yeah, pulling, and you could.
Speaker 6: Maybe, if you want to go deep cut on this
Speaker 6: with Mitchell, make the case by him shooting less. Three
Speaker 6: years ago, he took twenty one shot the game. He's
Speaker 6: down to eighteen. He's opening up for his teammates. He's
Speaker 6: not being selfish. He's not a stat hog, and I'm
Speaker 6: not calling anyone else that. Remember Steph Curry when Kevin
Speaker 6: Durant showed up and he went from thirty points a
Speaker 6: game to twenty four and a half and they won.
Speaker 6: You didn't see stuff complaining about his stats that year. Yeah,
Speaker 6: there's value in certain things that you do. D Wade
Speaker 6: Letting Lebron think the Heat was his team. There's value
Speaker 6: in that Lebron is showing value with what he's doing
Speaker 6: with Luca right now. I mean, there's a lot of
Speaker 6: ways to equate value. And this isn't to diminish what
Speaker 6: SGA has done. He's going to be the MVP. He's
Speaker 6: been wonderfully consistent this year. But I think you've got
Speaker 6: to acknowledge certain people on certain teams at certain times,
Speaker 6: and this is one of those moments. They're fifty five
Speaker 6: and ten and he's averaging twenty four. And I probably
Speaker 6: guarantee you that there's a lot of people haven't watched
Speaker 6: an entire Cleveland Cavalier game, and they're going to be
Speaker 6: voting on these things. It's like the Heisman, but you
Speaker 6: know there's a lot of people vote on the Heisman
Speaker 6: to vote on highlights. If you're voting on highlights, Donovan
Speaker 6: Mitchell's probably not.
Speaker 2: Going to get a lot of love there. SGA does,
Speaker 2: But he's just so good. He is unstoppable. He truly is.
Speaker 2: He can get to the hoop on anybody.
Speaker 5: Yes, Marmon, if this was Utah Donovan Mitchell, Oh, he's
Speaker 5: got some high lights.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's fair, but the Cavaliers are that good.
Speaker 2: Fifteen consecutive wins. Zion Williamson continues to play some pretty
Speaker 2: great basketball. Twenty two ten and twelve. I'm still not
Speaker 2: buying the stock because this is always a if he
Speaker 2: stays healthy, he's the king of well. If he stays healthy, yes,
Speaker 2: but he won't like all he's an ankle turn away
Speaker 2: from all of a sudden being out for a while
Speaker 2: and then coming back and then we have to have
Speaker 2: a slow rebuild again.
Speaker 3: But he's playing well. He's a really good passer.
Speaker 2: He can't shoot, but that's what makes it even more
Speaker 2: amazing at his size, still going inside and dominating. And
Speaker 2: twenty two ten and twelve since January, so the last
Speaker 2: six weeks, seven weeks, he's been great. He's back to
Speaker 2: all when he's healthy. He's been on two All Star teams.
Speaker 2: It's just he's usually not healthy. But twenty two ten
Speaker 2: and twelve. A couple other notes there. The Dodgers extend
Speaker 2: Dave Roberts and rightfully so. And let's see, we got
Speaker 2: a couple of bids that are on the line. Last
Speaker 2: coming up tonight, the Southland, the Patriot League and the
Speaker 2: Big Sky so Lamar and McNeice Navy and American University
Speaker 2: Montana versus Northern Colorado. Also the story that kind of
Speaker 2: slipped in and all of a sudden, it feels like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, Tiger tears his achilles and he's out,
Speaker 2: won't be able to play probably for a year. And
Speaker 2: it was weird because and Seaton brought this up this morning.
Speaker 2: Are we holding on to Tiger or is Tiger holding
Speaker 2: on for dear life to golf? Because I think it's
Speaker 2: us holding on to Tiger. I don't expect him to
Speaker 2: do anything. He can play in the Video Game League
Speaker 2: the tgl Okay. It's great to see him out there,
Speaker 2: but the days of two thousand long long gone. But
Speaker 2: it is a sport that you can play and play
Speaker 2: well when you get older. It's just he's going to
Speaker 2: be fifty years of age coming up, I believe in December,
Speaker 2: and that's an old and that's an old fifty. That
Speaker 2: body has been through an awful lot. But we'll talk
Speaker 2: about Tiger and the achilles injury. And granted, the injury
Speaker 2: and the surgery is a whole lot different than it
Speaker 2: used to be with modern medicine, at least in the
Speaker 2: last couple of years here, and maybe there's a chance
Speaker 2: that we see Tiger and people will say the following, well,
Speaker 2: you only have to be healthy for the four Majors.
Speaker 2: It's not like you just show up at the Majors
Speaker 2: and that's all the golf you play. It is weeks
Speaker 2: of preparation to get to that, and then after that
Speaker 2: it'll be weeks of recovery for him. With that body.
Speaker 2: It's not just four weeks out of the year. It's
Speaker 2: probably twenty weeks out of the year to get ready
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, you have to get
Speaker 2: ready again.
Speaker 3: You got to ramp it up. You can't do it.
Speaker 2: And that's always been my concern when we talk about
Speaker 2: Tiger going into a tournament.
Speaker 3: Can you be healthy? Can you play great golf for
Speaker 3: four days?
Speaker 2: And he can't. It's just too much to ask. He'll
Speaker 2: show those glimpses. The network's fall in love with him.
Speaker 2: They'll show every shot of every round. But I don't
Speaker 2: think he's threatening. And this was before he had the injury.
Speaker 2: But Tiger, there's certain athletes where you go, Nope, I
Speaker 2: will not bet against him, but I don't know how
Speaker 2: much he wants to play I mean he's got a brand,
Speaker 2: he's got you a new business, you've got merchandise to move.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot attached to this, but the
Speaker 2: days of what we saw before, and that's where we're
Speaker 2: holding on to. All I asked for years ago was
Speaker 2: give me one more. That's it, and he gave it
Speaker 2: to me. He gave it to me to Augusta. I'm fine.
Speaker 2: I think he's the greatest golf forever. I think the
Speaker 2: year two thousand, you can put that up with any
Speaker 2: other athlete in any other sport. What he did, he
Speaker 2: changed golf right before very eyes. Maybe this is all.
Speaker 2: This is the way it ends. I'm full, this is
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving meal. I'm very lucky. We'll take a break, we'll
Speaker 2: settle on a poll question. Glad to have you on board.
Speaker 2: We're back after this, Dan Patrick Shaw.
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Speaker 2: No news on the Aaron Rodgers front, but it does
Speaker 2: feel like it's pending. I thought it was going to
Speaker 2: probably wrap up by the end of the week. And
Speaker 2: the question is is Aaron weighing out three different options
Speaker 2: or two different options? Is it the Steelers, the Giants,
Speaker 2: Vikings question mark? And if you're Aaron Rodgers and you
Speaker 2: have the opportunity of all those three, you're taking the Vikings.
Speaker 2: Absolutely take the Vikings. Now, if you're the Vikings, do
Speaker 2: you say, do we want to develop JJ McCarthy on
Speaker 2: the field or do we want to do what happened
Speaker 2: with Jordan Love And Aaron Rodgers is going to be
Speaker 2: in front of him? How much of an upgrade is
Speaker 2: Aaron going to be over Sam Darnol? And is JJ
Speaker 2: McCarthy healthy? Also, what's Aaron Rodgers going to want? But
Speaker 2: if you're looking at bigger picture with Aaron Rodgers with
Speaker 2: a better team, that head coach, those wide receivers, Minnesota
Speaker 2: is where I'd want to go. Pittsburgh, I get it.
Speaker 2: But can you get two years out of Minnesota? Can
Speaker 2: you get two years out of Pittsburgh? Can you get
Speaker 2: two years out of the Giants? Because that's the latest
Speaker 2: report Aaron Rodgers, and nobody has a direct line unless
Speaker 2: he appears on McAfee. But if he says I want
Speaker 2: two years, are you willing to give a forty one
Speaker 2: year old quarterback. Two years, you front load the contract,
Speaker 2: then you decide after one year if you want to
Speaker 2: bring him back. And the numbers were very deceptive. Statistically,
Speaker 2: you go, man, Rogers had a pretty good year. Well,
Speaker 2: if you watch the Jets, he did not. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of garbage time numbers there. And I didn't think
Speaker 2: he played well at all. First half was terrible, but
Speaker 2: that's kind of to be expected, I guess, coming back
Speaker 2: from the surgery. But you know, twenty eight touchdowns, eleven interceptions,
Speaker 2: that's not bad, but it's deceptive. I want to know
Speaker 2: what you do in the fourth quarter. I want to
Speaker 2: know what you do with a potential game winning drive.
Speaker 2: And he didn't do well with those numbers. That's what
Speaker 2: I want to know. You can have great numbers. I
Speaker 2: want to know when you have those great numbers. And
Speaker 2: if I'm Aaron Rodgers, is he an upgrade over Russell Wilson? Yes,
Speaker 2: Russ feels like ninety eight. Rogers feels like ten and
Speaker 2: seven and maybe a win in the playoffs, Like Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: is in uncharted territory from the standpoint of maybe they
Speaker 2: have to stop doing Pittsburgh like things you bring in
Speaker 2: DK metcalp like, now you have to make some moves.
Speaker 3: Now, you got to. You know, it's a.
Speaker 2: Great franchise, one of the great ones. They Letnajie Harris go.
Speaker 2: He signs with the Chargers. So when people say, well
Speaker 2: they got a really good running game, well they just
Speaker 2: let a thousand yard rusher go. Now maybe you say,
Speaker 2: well you plug and play and you get another thousand
Speaker 2: yard rusher. You know, that offense is just it's been
Speaker 2: stagnant for a lot long time. They've changed offensive coordinators.
Speaker 2: George Pickens makes me nervous. DK Metcalf, how consistent is
Speaker 2: he going to be? Dk Metcalf, Russell Wilson they were,
Speaker 2: you know, they know each other. Russell apparently was a
Speaker 2: stealer whisperer for DK Metcalf to what degree, I don't know.
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of things going on right now.
Speaker 3: And then we heard.
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh did want to keep justin Fields that that's probably
Speaker 2: the direction they would have gone in if Fields doesn't
Speaker 2: go to the Jets.
Speaker 3: Now you got Russ.
Speaker 2: There Another situation to keep an eye on, and I
Speaker 2: heard this yesterday afternoon is the Browns with Kirk Cousins. Cousins,
Speaker 2: you can get him at a cheap price if the
Speaker 2: Falcons would release him. Now, if on the Falcons, I
Speaker 2: say we're going to give somebody a starting quarterback, we
Speaker 2: want something in return. What that is I don't know,
Speaker 2: but that's another possibility. Could Cleveland go into the draft
Speaker 2: and maybe take Shadoor Sanders they got Kenny Pickett. If
Speaker 2: the answer is Kenny Pickett, I don't want to know
Speaker 2: the question. You know, you got Deshaun Watson, who's not
Speaker 2: going to play again. Now you can bring in Kirk Cousins. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's n upgrade and he wants to start again. That's
Speaker 2: sort of what's going on, like what's left with the landscape.
Speaker 2: The Niners are mere to me, are fascinating because you're
Speaker 2: watching a team be dismantled. It's like when you watch
Speaker 2: a house being built. This is watching a house being rebuilt,
Speaker 2: taken apart like piece by piece, and you'll go, oh, well,
Speaker 2: all right, full back, oh wow, defensive, Oh well, that's
Speaker 2: what's happening now. There's still star power there. But and
Speaker 2: a lot of teams would love to be in the
Speaker 2: situation the Niners are in. I would say eighty percent
Speaker 2: of the NFL teams would go, all right, we'll take
Speaker 2: that Hall of fameane tackle, great tight end, potential Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame running back, got a quarterback who is good,
Speaker 2: got a couple of defensive players. You got a linebacker's
Speaker 2: going to the Hall of Fame. You know, you've got
Speaker 2: a lot of pieces in there. But it's where they
Speaker 2: were to where they are. It's the you know you're
Speaker 2: going up the escalator. Now you're going down the escalator.
Speaker 2: And can you still compete for a Super Bowl? I
Speaker 2: mean you're in the NFC West, not the AFC West,
Speaker 2: but you lost. I mean you went to two super
Speaker 2: Bowls in six years. How many teams would sign up
Speaker 2: for that? Ninety percent of the teams in the NFL
Speaker 2: would go hell, yes.
Speaker 3: Ninety five percent.
Speaker 2: Yes, But we're looking at what the Niners have done,
Speaker 2: and you probably walk away going unsatisfied, unfulfilled. Had the
Speaker 2: opportunities and they didn't capital and they could have won
Speaker 2: those super bowls. They were great super Bowls that they
Speaker 2: could have won, but you're watching that. I don't know
Speaker 2: if Christian McCaffrey can play an entire season. George Kittle,
Speaker 2: I don't know how long he could play. Brandon Ayuk
Speaker 2: is your go to guy. Ricky Pierson got shot, got
Speaker 2: some defensive players. Bosa is still good, Fred Warner is
Speaker 2: still good. But it just feels like you got a
Speaker 2: car and all of a sudden, it's got three wheels on,
Speaker 2: it needs a carburetor, and the muffler's loud, the interior's
Speaker 2: a little rough, but it can still get you there.
Speaker 2: That's what I feel like that they they've got a
Speaker 2: car that looks good. It's just not as good as
Speaker 2: it used to be. Yeah, Pueng and you have.
Speaker 6: To pay two hundred and sixty million for a new transmission.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, called your quarterback. That's gonna be a tough
Speaker 2: one too, because can you ask Rock Purty, can you
Speaker 2: get something that feels team worthy? Or I should say
Speaker 2: win win, Now, agents don't do that because agent's very proud.
Speaker 2: How much did you get him? I got him two
Speaker 2: fifty two ten guaranteed. Hey, high five Jimmy. They have
Speaker 2: an ego as well. I don't know if you go, hey,
Speaker 2: this is a win win, Like remember when the Chiefs
Speaker 2: did their deal with Patrick Mahomes and everybody's like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, five hundred million. I go it's a bargain.
Speaker 2: It's a bargain.
Speaker 3: In a couple of years, it'll be a bargain. And
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 2: You know Bryce Harper with the Phillies. Oh my god, juice,
Speaker 2: how much they give him. It's a bargain. Now, I
Speaker 2: didn't say that about show Heyo Tani or Mike Trout.
Speaker 2: It's a bargain. Show Heyo Tani may turn out to
Speaker 2: be a bargain. Mike Trout has not turned out to
Speaker 2: be a bargain.
Speaker 9: Yes, Ton, what does the forty nine US front office
Speaker 9: say in negotiations to try to bring the price down, Like,
Speaker 9: what would you like, Well, he didn't win the Super Bowl?
Speaker 9: You know he did this, but you've got to start
Speaker 9: kind of naming players that are better than you at
Speaker 9: the position and the fact that he didn't win a ring.
Speaker 9: You've got to say certain things to try to get
Speaker 9: Brock to agree to something less than what he wants.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's usually what happens behind closed doors where you're
Speaker 2: not there to hear. I mean, I told you the
Speaker 2: story that my agent told me when my boss at
Speaker 2: ESPN said that he's over the hill and he'll never
Speaker 2: get another job, And my agent told me that, and
Speaker 2: he goes, I think we should sign the deal, and
Speaker 2: of course I didn't think I had any other place
Speaker 2: to go. And then I find out later NBC said
Speaker 2: you should.
Speaker 3: Have let us know. I'm like, I'm over the hill
Speaker 3: and I'll never get another job. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think this is sort of the game though, that
Speaker 4: like teams play or I don't know if it's the
Speaker 4: team or if it's just the media society in general.
Speaker 4: But brock Perty should take a team friendly deal so
Speaker 4: he could play better. Know Saquon Barkley should take a
Speaker 4: team friendly deal because he's so old. It's always the
Speaker 4: players that are supposed to sacrifice more money rather than wy,
Speaker 4: don't the owners just pay more?
Speaker 3: The teams just pay more? Why don't they?
Speaker 4: It's always, well, what are you paying Saquon Barkley for?
Speaker 4: He just had a great season, but now he's old,
Speaker 4: so what are you going to give him.
Speaker 3: That money for in the future.
Speaker 4: It's always the players that are supposed to get the haircut.
Speaker 2: Well, you have to fit all of this in under
Speaker 2: a salary cap. If this was baseball, then I could
Speaker 2: understand where you're coming from and be like, hey, you
Speaker 2: got the money, pay them, and if you don't somebody else.
Speaker 2: Will you know you have the confines of a salary
Speaker 2: cap that we got to fit everybody in. We're not
Speaker 2: going to be able to fit everybody in. And then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, rock perty can't go?
Speaker 3: Hey, who am I supposed to throw it to? Yes?
Speaker 4: Right, and the concept of a salary cap benefits who
Speaker 4: the owner?
Speaker 10: There?
Speaker 3: You go?
Speaker 2: Nailed it, Yeah, nailed it. Yeah, it's a time honored tradition.
Speaker 2: The owners do really well.
Speaker 4: We could only do so much here again, you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, how much are we supposed to pay these guys?
Speaker 3: What is the poll question? From the first hour of
Speaker 3: this program.
Speaker 4: We got a couple of options right now. I just
Speaker 4: put up there since we were talking about it. We'll
Speaker 4: Tiger win another major, yes, or I have one here,
Speaker 4: free agent quarterback you would sign? The four options are
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Jameis Winston, Gardner Minshew. They'll seem
Speaker 4: to be the four best.
Speaker 2: Available right now, rightikes, unless Gardner Minshew votes on the
Speaker 2: pole question.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's getting a vote.
Speaker 4: I gotta admit I kind of feel bad that Russell
Speaker 4: Wilson is even in that conversation.
Speaker 3: Yep, Yeah, I really do.
Speaker 4: He's not a bad guy, you know, he just I
Speaker 4: don't really understand how things got so far off track
Speaker 4: for a guy whose career trajectory was an absolute rocket ship.
Speaker 6: Yes, a lot of things went wrong last year. They're
Speaker 6: kind of glazed over. He was going to be the
Speaker 6: starter for the Steelers. Then he had that cap injury
Speaker 6: right before the season started. Justin Fields walks in I
Speaker 6: think did he was? He five and one as a star,
Speaker 6: and then was replaced by Russell when Fields cooled off
Speaker 6: a little bit. So he went in last year with
Speaker 6: the Steelers a little bit underwater perception wise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it happened long before that.
Speaker 2: This has happened in Seattle, where it was either Pete
Speaker 2: Carroll was leaving or Russell Wilson that there was battle
Speaker 2: lines drawn there, and russ was I think polarizing with
Speaker 2: some of his teammates, certainly the defensive players. When he
Speaker 2: was in Seattle. You go into Denver, you want your
Speaker 2: own office, Like now you're part of the front office here.
Speaker 3: You don't play well at all.
Speaker 2: He played well the last year that he was in
Speaker 2: you know, those respectable numbers, but it just doesn't feel
Speaker 2: like I mean it's a check that he can't cash.
Speaker 2: And I think he's so used to being that guy.
Speaker 2: And you know, he's not Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady.
Speaker 2: You know some of these guys as they get older,
Speaker 2: you're like, yeah, they can still play. Russ is not
Speaker 2: in that position anymore. Yes, Ton, That's where.
Speaker 9: Things to me really got big because obviously I've watched
Speaker 9: every game with Russ in Denver, so even with Seattle
Speaker 9: getting you know, moving on from him, what I saw
Speaker 9: in those games with Denver. That's why he's in this
Speaker 9: poll question a lot. He had his moments, and he
Speaker 9: had his moments with Pittsburgh, but what happened in Colorado
Speaker 9: was a disaster and it's going to take a long
Speaker 9: time for him to get the stink up ever off.
Speaker 3: Well, he's not going to.
Speaker 2: But this has to do with Seattle, because if everything
Speaker 2: goes well, you can stay in Seattle. And it came
Speaker 2: down to egos and then all of a sudden he
Speaker 2: says that he wants out. And you know, go back
Speaker 2: to that what couple of days or day after the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl when we had him on the show and
Speaker 2: I said, what did you think when you're watching Brady
Speaker 2: and Mahomes in the Super Bowl, and then you could
Speaker 2: tell that and he gave me an honest answer, like, hey,
Speaker 2: why am I not here? And it felt like that's
Speaker 2: where both sides started to realize, you know what, maybe
Speaker 2: we're better off without each other. And then Russ Denver
Speaker 2: pulled off an unbelievable trade, or Seattle pulled off unbelievable
Speaker 2: trade to get him send him to Denver. And then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you're going, all right, let's go,
Speaker 2: let's see you win. And Russ couldn't do that. In Seattle.
Speaker 2: They had a great game plan. In Denver, they did
Speaker 2: not that first year. Now bow next comes in and
Speaker 2: bow next leads them to the playoffs. That hurts Russ too.
Speaker 2: And I've said this before. Can you play yourself out
Speaker 2: of the Hall of fame? I think Russ is playing
Speaker 2: himself out of the Hall of fame, which sounds maybe crazy,
Speaker 2: going to two Super Bowls, winning one and being a
Speaker 2: really consistent quarterback, really good quarterback, yeah.
Speaker 6: Pony, Yet nine Pro Bowls in Seattle out of ten years.
Speaker 6: He had a four season stretch thirty four touchdowns, thirty
Speaker 6: five thirty one forty his career right now, three hundred
Speaker 6: and fifty touchdowns, one hundred and eleven picks. That is
Speaker 6: a fantastic ratio. Great, but the last three years have
Speaker 6: just been non threatening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's kind of in no man's land, you know,
Speaker 2: can he can he still be a starter the Giants?
Speaker 3: Could he go to Cleveland? Like I don't, I don't know,
Speaker 3: yeh see.
Speaker 4: And it's crazy too with Russell Wilson because if you'd
Speaker 4: just given the ball to Marshawn, if you had just
Speaker 4: done the most obvious play in NFL history, if you
Speaker 4: had just handed the ball off, Russell Wilson somehow would
Speaker 4: be considered a better quarterback by handing the ball. But
Speaker 4: that's not his fault, it's not. But he's the one
Speaker 4: that's well, Pete Carroll's not taking the hit. Carroll's career
Speaker 4: is fine. It's Darryl Bevill who was the offensive coordinator
Speaker 4: I'm calling. Yeah, Well, it's like Atlanta losing the Super
Speaker 4: Bowl to the Falcons.
Speaker 2: That's on Kyle Shanahan. People think Kyle Shanahan was the
Speaker 2: head coach of the Falcons.
Speaker 3: Le Go, No, he was the OC. He called the plays.
Speaker 6: Yes, we need a segment who should be blamed more
Speaker 6: and sports that would be funny.
Speaker 2: Doug in North Carolina leads us off, Good morning, Doug,
Speaker 2: what's on your mind today?
Speaker 11: Well, then I have a little confession to make. I
Speaker 11: didn't root for Tiger early on in his career. Things
Speaker 11: were just too automatic for him. So I naturally gravitated
Speaker 11: towards Phil because Phil understood struggling. He was the people's champion,
Speaker 11: mister thumb's up, mister pager at the US Open, waiting
Speaker 11: to become a father, and when he finally broke through,
Speaker 11: it really was inspiring. But in the last decade everything
Speaker 11: is totally flipped for me. Tiger has become more human,
Speaker 11: Phil has become more well, maybe you realize that you
Speaker 11: brought into something that wasn't real. So what broke my
Speaker 11: heart with.
Speaker 12: The news yesterday was realizing to myself that I didn't
Speaker 12: really appreciate Tiger until it was too late, and now
Speaker 12: you're realizing it's over. And I didn't appreciate the excellence
Speaker 12: because I wrote it off as being too automatic, And
Speaker 12: it breaks my heart.
Speaker 2: We do that though we pick favorites. I brought this
Speaker 2: up when I was growing up. I didn't like Bjorn Bork.
Speaker 2: I never met him. I mean I met him later on,
Speaker 2: but when he was dominating at Wimbledon, he would beat
Speaker 2: John McEnroe.
Speaker 3: Well, I loved McEnroe.
Speaker 2: Therefore, I didn't like Bjorn bork Borg didn't do anything
Speaker 2: other than be great.
Speaker 3: And you tend to have these built in biases.
Speaker 2: It's a rivalry or I can't like that guy, and
Speaker 2: I'm sure Red Sox and Yankees are the Giants and
Speaker 2: the Dodgers, like there are certain players where you go,
Speaker 2: I can never like that guy, and then the further
Speaker 2: away you get from it, you're like, man, he was great,
Speaker 2: and I do hear that. You know, players weren't big
Speaker 2: on Phil Micholson. You know they would tell you who
Speaker 2: Phil was. You know, Phil wasn't what he was presenting
Speaker 2: himself to be. But still I got along with Phil.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed my conversations with him. Tiger I didn't have
Speaker 2: much interaction with him. But you can't cloud your judgment
Speaker 2: because somebody's nice to you or somebody's not. I mean,
Speaker 2: Bonds wasn't nice to anybody. I can't dismiss what I saw,
Speaker 2: even the steroid stuff, like he proved you want to
Speaker 2: see what a guy can do on steroids if they'll
Speaker 2: pitch to me, all hit one hundred home runs. And
Speaker 2: I really believe that if they had pitched to him
Speaker 2: when he hit seventy three, I believe he would have
Speaker 2: hit one hundred home runs. I mean the same thing
Speaker 2: with Lance Armstrong. A lot of people do not like
Speaker 2: Lance Armstrong. I get along with him. I appreciate him.
Speaker 2: Did he cheat, yes, in a sport that everybody was cheating,
Speaker 2: And did he say, oh, you want to see what
Speaker 2: I can do when I cheat? I'm gonna win these
Speaker 2: every year. That's where I see bonds. I see Clemmens,
Speaker 2: I see Lance. Can I separate? I try, I try,
Speaker 2: but I don't want to act like what I saw that.
Speaker 2: I don't like that person because I liked somebody else,
Speaker 2: or you know, if I had a bias towards people
Speaker 2: with things I knew about them. I have a lot
Speaker 2: of biases because in this business, it doesn't take long
Speaker 2: to get an answer on certain things. All right, let
Speaker 2: me take a break. We'll get phone calls. A lot
Speaker 2: of people want to uh weigh in on tiger Woods
Speaker 2: as well, and we have our poll question as well.
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Speaker 3: Chris in Texas, Hi Chris, what's on your mind?
Speaker 8: Dan?
Speaker 3: What's up buddy? How you doing?
Speaker 14: Hey?
Speaker 3: Marvin.
Speaker 10: Great shout out for the twenty fourteen Spurs.
Speaker 3: That brought back a.
Speaker 10: Lot of good memories, but it also brought back some
Speaker 10: pretty big heartaches. Twenty thirteen. I'm sure you guys remember,
Speaker 10: Spurs had a five point lead twenty five seconds left.
Speaker 10: I had a bottle of champagne ready to spray my
Speaker 10: friends and heartbreak. So it got me wondering, what is
Speaker 10: the biggest heartbreak that you guys have ever had? Sports heartbreak,
Speaker 10: not girls, sports heartbreak.
Speaker 2: Hmm yeah, I had far more girl heartbreaks than I
Speaker 2: did sports. Brooks Robinson broke my heart nineteen seventy Orioles,
Speaker 2: third baseman. It might be the best defensive performance in
Speaker 2: a big moment I've ever seen in my life. The
Speaker 2: entire World Series. Anything that was hit towards Brooks Robinson,
Speaker 2: he got it and they beat the Cincinnati Reds, big
Speaker 2: red Machine. That one was a tough one because I
Speaker 2: thought the Reds were invincible and Brooks Robinson almost single
Speaker 2: handedly just diffused them, took away their heart.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 4: Seaton Hall, Michigan Easy, nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 3: I was ten.
Speaker 4: I think I would have been ten at that time.
Speaker 4: Uh eighty to seventy nine in overtime NCAA Championship game,
Speaker 4: Seaton Hall out of nowhere is great, god Man. That
Speaker 4: really felt like just a magical moment that a garbage
Speaker 4: call robbed us off, Roumel Robinson to the line, just sobbing.
Speaker 4: I remember my dad who was also kind of crying,
Speaker 4: but going it's just a game, It's just a game,
Speaker 4: no worry. He was having this like opposite reaction of
Speaker 4: trying to calm everybody down.
Speaker 5: What about you, Marvin two thousand and six, Yukon losing
Speaker 5: to George Mason in the Elite eight.
Speaker 3: Did you cry?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: But my girlfriend at the time now wife, she's really,
Speaker 5: you know, not a big sports but Ukon basketball is
Speaker 5: a thing.
Speaker 8: What the bleed?
Speaker 5: George bleep and Mason, Oh it walks out. Maybe that's
Speaker 5: hers more than mine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sounds like it, PAULI.
Speaker 6: Clearly the two thousand and three Cubs losing to the
Speaker 6: Florida Marlins. I was in New Haven, Connecticut. It was
Speaker 6: only my second year working with you in Fritzy at ESPN.
Speaker 6: So the Cubs were gonna make the World Series and
Speaker 6: I had a cretent credential to attend every single game
Speaker 6: of that World Series, So it was like I would
Speaker 6: have seen every Cub's World Series game winner lose.
Speaker 3: So it was a double hit. What about you, Fritzi?
Speaker 9: Because the Broncos got blown out so many times, there
Speaker 9: was no key moment in one of the Super Bowls
Speaker 9: that they lost. I got to go with the eighty
Speaker 9: six Astros Mets Game six in the Astrodome where Rosco
Speaker 9: ended up throwing the glove up in the air. It
Speaker 9: went like seventeen eighteen innings that if Houston would have
Speaker 9: pulled that game out, then Mike Scott could have likely
Speaker 9: won Game seven and Houston would have played Boston in
Speaker 9: that World Series.
Speaker 2: Cindy in North Carolina. Hi, Cindy, what's on your mind?
Speaker 14: Well, since we're on the topic of heartbreak, I was
Speaker 14: thinking about Tiger Woods and sort of the idea that
Speaker 14: we're trying to hold on to him, and some of
Speaker 14: that may be true, but I think we're sort of
Speaker 14: grieving for the game a little bit. You know, you
Speaker 14: mentioned the Tiger Phil rivalry. If we had some young rivalries,
Speaker 14: I think we would be less inclined to hold on
Speaker 14: to him. But you know, the big problem is you've
Speaker 14: got these great players who defected to Live. I mean, John,
Speaker 14: Ron Bryson, Deshambeau and Brooks Kepka, and we get energized
Speaker 14: at the majors because they're able to play in those.
Speaker 14: But I think part of it is just the state
Speaker 14: of the game right now. We don't have other than Rory,
Speaker 14: anybody who really is excites the fan base.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point, Cindy, but you really didn't
Speaker 2: have a rivalry when Tiger was playing. We tried to
Speaker 2: make rivalries, remember Ernie Els, Phil Micholson, David Duval tried
Speaker 2: to Tiger kicked him to the curb. Now, hey, Justin
Speaker 2: lennr Yeah, okay, Nowadays you got Scotti Scheffler, who might
Speaker 2: be treating the rest of the tour the way Tiger did.
Speaker 3: You're trying to you know, here.
Speaker 2: Comes Rory, here comes Justin Thomas Xandersch.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: And even if the Live guys come back, I mean,
Speaker 2: the only guy Deshambo's the guy that I would say
Speaker 2: he moves the needle. John rahmde I watched the Live
Speaker 2: tour on Saturday. I stumbled upon it and I watched
Speaker 2: and it was sad. They were playing overseas, and you
Speaker 2: know they got music. I mean, nothing really meant anything.
Speaker 2: And you know you got David Ferdy who is very colorful.
Speaker 2: But I'm watching and I know it doesn't mean anything
Speaker 2: like that doesn't feel like it's really important.
Speaker 3: They all got paid.
Speaker 2: You want to keep your spot on your roster, but
Speaker 2: we're wearing shorts and we're playing music. You know, it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, the the dad who thinks he's cool and
Speaker 2: dresses a certain way, and you go, you've seen him.
Speaker 2: He looks dorky, And that's kind of what it was.
Speaker 2: It was just like you're trying too hard and there
Speaker 2: are some great players, we know that, but it just
Speaker 2: doesn't mean anything. It doesn't matter. And then you watch
Speaker 2: some of these other events. You know, Russell Henley ends
Speaker 2: up winning in dramatic fashion. It meant something. That's what
Speaker 2: Live is missing. They all got paid, but none of
Speaker 2: you guys are moving the needle. They don't get any ratings.
Speaker 2: Still don't know if you're going to get a merger
Speaker 2: anytime soon. So what are the Steelers doing if they
Speaker 2: don't get Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 3: What's plan?
Speaker 2: B Dominic Foxworth from the Mothership will join us coming
Speaker 2: up hour two