1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,239 Speaker 1: Welcome into a new episode of her playbook. Her Playbook 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: podcast is presented by Kendra Scott, Game Day, Just Scott 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: Personal Find your winning look at kendraw Scott, where team 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: spirit meets personal style. Shop jewelry, accessories and more at 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: your New York area Kendra Scott store or online at 6 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: Kendrascott dot com. Welcome into an all new episode of 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: her playbook. I'm Madeline Burke, joined this week by the 8 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 1: Victoria Jacoby. 9 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: You may know her as count On Vic. 10 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: If you follow the NBA or really anything in pop culture, 11 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: you've seen this woman out and about. 12 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining me today. Thank you 13 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 2: for having me. I feel like I've known you for 14 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,279 Speaker 2: years now, I know, and yeah, we really know each other. 15 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: We've seen each other. We go back, we go back, 16 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: and I love it. 17 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: And I think one of the things that the way 18 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: we're going to start this is the question I'm sure 19 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: you get the most, which is how do you describe 20 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: what you do? You do so many things. You're such 21 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: a multi hyphen it. What would you call your job? 22 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 2: You know, I'm still figuring that out. I feel like 23 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 2: it's such a good time for women to be doing 24 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: multiple things and not just being tied down to I 25 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 2: just do marketing, or I just do branding, or I 26 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 2: just do athlete relations, or I'm also you know, I've 27 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: tapped into being kind of my own talent, which you 28 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 2: know I've seen you do as well when you're invited 29 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: to events and you're doing all those things that make 30 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 2: you kind of be under the lights, which has been fun. 31 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 2: But I think I do a little bit of those 32 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: things right, the branding, marketing, athlete relations, and I kind 33 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: of bring it all together. But as you know, NBA 34 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 2: friends like to call me the dot connector exactly, I 35 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 2: think is the best way to describe I really think. 36 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: That's a perfect way of describing you too, because you 37 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: do connect so many dots, whether it's bringing people together 38 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: for opportunities, or bringing brands to an athlete for you know, 39 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: to style somebody in an event, whether it's a WNBA 40 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: draft or an NBA red carpet, and also just being 41 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: such a connector in oh, this person should know this 42 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: person so that they can work together. And you've found 43 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: a creative way to monetize that and to make just 44 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: being a friendly and connected person a career, which is cool. 45 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know, for a very long time, 46 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 2: you do the things that come naturally to you as 47 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 2: that person that just loves being around people, like being social, 48 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 2: and then you get to a point where you're like, Okay, 49 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,399 Speaker 2: this feels like a job because it is a full 50 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 2: time job, right, always communicating and dealing with a lot 51 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 2: of talent, a lot of different egos, a lot of 52 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 2: different entities when it comes to sports, because it's not 53 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 2: just the players, it's not just the people behind the scenes. 54 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 2: It's kind of a little bit of both. So being 55 00:02:54,120 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: able to be the mediator within that and truly like joying. 56 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: I do love to see things come to life after 57 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 2: I've made that connection. Yeah, I think that's what makes 58 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 2: it fun. Yeah. 59 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: Right, Well, and these are all things that are so 60 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: authentic to you. I mean, you are such a fashionable 61 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: stylist person as we can see here in studio, as 62 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,679 Speaker 1: we see anytime we see court side at an NBA game. 63 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: But also you are an athlete. You know, you moved 64 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: to New York as a young girl for tennis. Yes, 65 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: and that is something that really kind of started your 66 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: tell the story about kind of how that trajectory kind 67 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: of started your New York experience. 68 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you know, I am fully in New 69 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 2: York City girl, you can say now, and the city 70 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 2: definitely molded me into what I am, as harsh as 71 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: and lonely as I can feel sometimes. But I moved 72 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 2: here when I was twelve from the Middle East and 73 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 2: always played basketball in tennis. Continued with tennis just because 74 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: it was easier as an immigrant child not really speaking 75 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: language and knowing anybody. Tennis is a solo sport, not 76 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: a team player. And I'm kidd come, but yeah, tennis 77 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: was something that I truly loved and enjoyed. And then 78 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 2: I would go home and watch basketball. I would watch 79 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 2: NBA until one two am because I'm a Laker fan 80 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 2: and US East Coast girls have to stay up, you 81 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 2: know how that is. And it truly just became a 82 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: passion to watch games and connect and learn English through 83 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 2: watching sports. Yeah, so it's always kind of like a 84 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 2: deeper story for me, if that makes sense. It's kind 85 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: of it means more. It's not just watching sports. It's 86 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 2: something that helped me assimilate. 87 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: Right, and it became a part of your identity and 88 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: your career path as well. And you know, as a 89 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: Laker fan, I know Kobe Bryant was pivotal in your career. 90 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: How did you and Kobe first connect and how did 91 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 1: he become such a big part in your life. 92 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 2: Twitter? Yeah, yes, I will be continued. I will continue 93 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: to call it Twitter. It's not excess, you know, listen 94 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 2: the og ones. No, yes, yes, we call it Twitter. 95 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 2: It was on Twitter. I was still a teenager. It 96 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 2: was a holiday weekend. It was like a Friday or Saturday. 97 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 2: And I just started jumping up and down because Kobe 98 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 2: followed me. I had. He said he was following one 99 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 2: hundred fans. He was going to follow one hundred fans. 100 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 2: He made a Twitter. Everyone's like, oh my god, Kobe's 101 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 2: on Twitter. It was twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, and I 102 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 2: think I sent him a shirt that I got from 103 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 2: Nike and it was a Mamba shirt and I sent 104 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 2: him a picture of the shirt still with the tag on. 105 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 2: I was like, look what I just got. I was 106 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 2: a kid. 107 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 3: I don't know. 108 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. Next thing I know, Kobe ro and Bryant follows 109 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: you and I was like, oh my. I started jumping 110 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 2: up and down. My family my dad was like, what 111 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 2: are you doing? Like Kobe is like okay, I don't 112 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 2: know what's happening, and you know, a couple tweets I 113 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: think it was about D'Antoni at the time, the coach, 114 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: the Lakers coach kind of went viral. They were on 115 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: ESPN for the weekend. Everybody was talking about Kobe talkstafan 116 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 2: about coach D'Antoni. What does this mean? And it was 117 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 2: like a whole thing. Gained a lot of following from 118 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 2: that moment and kind of felt like, Okay, Kobe's my 119 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 2: friend now, so you know social media. So I had 120 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 2: DMed him, thank you so much for doing this for 121 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 2: your fans and you know, you're so great and whatever, 122 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 2: and he was just like, yeah, of course, it's all 123 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 2: love and set me a little heart and I was like, 124 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 2: the hell is going on? And then ever since then, 125 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 2: it's just been very like I when I meet him, 126 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: it's gonna be great. And they always say, don't meet 127 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 2: your idols, and I don't think I've ever had an 128 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 2: idol outside of just really loving Kobe Bryant and his 129 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 2: mentality and how he goes about certain things. And I 130 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 2: felt really connected to him also because he as a child, 131 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: he lived in Italy and he had to move back 132 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 2: here and he kind of talked about moving back to 133 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 2: Philly as a teenager and going through you know, becoming 134 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 2: an American again almost and I really resonated with me. 135 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 2: I really connected with that because I was an immigrant 136 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 2: kid and having a sport kind of guide you through 137 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 2: those moments of whether you're lonely, or you're new somewhere 138 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: or you don't really know anyone, that was something that 139 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: I really respected him for. And then I got to 140 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: meet him and he was incredible. Yeah, just a really kind, 141 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: sweet human being and was so happy to give advice. 142 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: I have this video of him just talking to me 143 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 2: outside of a green room and he's like, if you 144 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: have five minutes, I'll just I'll be right back. And 145 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 2: I was like five minutes. 146 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'll be here for hours, right, yeah, yeah, 147 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: I don't have to go home. 148 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 2: And he was just so great, And after that initial meeting, 149 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 2: he remembered me every time I saw him after that. So, 150 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: you know, the few moments that I had are everything, 151 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 2: and they're very meaningful to me. So basically I owe 152 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 2: it all to Kobe. 153 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: Well, and it's and Kobe, but also the impact of 154 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: social media, right, I mean, especially in the early days. 155 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I remember Kobe Shaq was also one of 156 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: those people who would tweet out and say, Hey, the 157 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: first fan to find me on the beach in Miami 158 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: gets two. 159 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 2: Tickets to this game. 160 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: And you know, there were a lot of athletes that 161 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: were using that platform in the early days of connecting 162 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: with people, and it kind of bridged that gap a 163 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: little bit better, and it made it easier for somebody 164 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: who is an avid hoopad like yourself to kind of 165 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 1: break into that world and connect. And you know, now 166 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: when you look at the way that social media has 167 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: evolved and given so many people a voice, but also 168 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: an opportunity to connect with people that may seem out 169 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: of reach or out of your circle, Like how important 170 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: is that? 171 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 2: It's very important? And I think you know, sometimes social 172 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 2: media can be very overwhelming obviously when you're an athlete too, 173 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 2: Like guys are kind of they've had to find what 174 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 2: works for them, like I'm just not going to be 175 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: on social media during the season or during certain games, 176 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 2: or if I'm not playing well or if I'm hurt, 177 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: they kind of like to disconnect, which I really respect 178 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: because it could be a really dark place, you know, 179 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 2: But at the same time I've met some of my 180 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: long term friends. I think we for initially followed each 181 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 2: other on Instagram and then I got to meek Yeah, 182 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 2: and then you meet someone you already have that connection 183 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 2: and you meet someone it's even better in real life. Right. 184 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 2: So I r l as the kids say, but yeah, 185 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 2: I think it's it's helped me a lot. It's it 186 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: put me on the scene because after the Kobe thing, 187 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 2: it was kind of a snowball of a lot of 188 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 2: people in the industry that I respected, like Carrie Champion, 189 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 2: who's another big Laker fan, and Cassidy Hubberth and all 190 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: these women that I really looked up to started following 191 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 2: me and really respecting what I was saying because they 192 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 2: were like, you're hilarious, and you have this like sometimes 193 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 2: you say things that we wish we could say, and 194 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 2: we can't say that we're all thinking it. Yeah, So 195 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, I guess whatever stupid thing I 196 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 2: thought I said it made sense to someone or made 197 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 2: someone laugh. 198 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: So just being authentically yourself as such, I mean people 199 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: always ask what's the magic sauce to getting here there 200 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: or whatever. I think authenticity and that's something that you 201 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: there's no sauce. 202 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 2: There's no sauce. I always get you know, I'm sure 203 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 2: you did too with your career path. There's always young 204 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 2: women who want to know, like, I just love your 205 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: relationships and how you move and how do I do that? 206 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 2: And I'm just kind of like, I can't. I can't 207 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 2: teach that. You either feel it and you have it 208 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 2: or quite honestly, you don't because it's so hard for 209 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 2: so many people to deal with the egos and the 210 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 2: personalities and all those things. It's something that you can 211 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 2: learn to do, but if you don't really enjoy it, 212 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: you're never gonna love doing it. Sure, so the idea 213 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 2: of the highlights that we showcase you and I people 214 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 2: like you on social media is not always what it seems. 215 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 2: It's harder and there's a lot that goes into it 216 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: building those relationships. For example, when you're speaking to athletes 217 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 2: and they're comfortable with you, that takes time, you know. 218 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: And I think as long as the person that I'm 219 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: trying to help or give advice to knows that it's 220 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 2: their own process, it's their own lane, it's their own 221 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 2: path and how they are within themselves, and that resonates, 222 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 2: then it should be a fun experience. But if it's 223 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: not and you're trying to be someone else, I always say, 224 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: comparison secks. It's the worst thing you can do. So 225 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 2: with social media, always remember that whatever someone else is 226 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 2: doing is not what you have to be doing, and 227 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: it's not the same recipe necessarily. 228 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: It's also too it's when you are authentic to who 229 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: you are and using your voice, it feels very different 230 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: than when you are trying to emulate somebody else exact 231 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: and it's like, you know that one's already taken, like, 232 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: be true to you. And that's what's worked so well 233 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: with you in growing your voice and your presence from 234 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: you know, a social media celebrity to somebody who is 235 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: just fully in the mix and in the world and 236 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: has earned the trust of a lot of athletes, from 237 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: you know, from Kobe to Haley van Lyth to several 238 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: devn book er you know, I see you working with 239 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: so many household names and in terms of you know, 240 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: styling and helping them with their personal businesses. And I 241 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: think one of the things that I've always noticed about 242 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 1: you is you don't start from a place of okay, 243 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: how can this work for me? How can I build 244 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: my business. You have always started from a place of giving, right. 245 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: You start from a place of Oh, I see somebody, 246 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: let me give you this, let me help you with that. 247 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: I see an area in which I can enhance your life. 248 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: And that's such a rare quality because I think a 249 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 1: lot of people move through the world looking for ways 250 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: that they can benefit themselves. But you've moved through the 251 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: world looking for ways you can benefit other people. 252 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's the hard part, right, because 253 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 2: a lot of what the industry is is transactional, and 254 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 2: I've had to learn how to go about entities and 255 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,719 Speaker 2: people who are transactional. And that's okay if they are right, 256 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 2: because that's how the industry moves, and people have to 257 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 2: get paid and you have to get something back. I 258 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 2: wish I had learned a little earlier and sooner how 259 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 2: to go about those things because I never worked for anyone. 260 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 2: I've always done my thing. I've had opportunities with teams 261 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 2: and big name brands that I considered when I was 262 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 2: consulting for them in that time, and then I would 263 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 2: get an offer and it just wasn't for me. I 264 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 2: felt like the long run, In the long run, the 265 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 2: harder path is doing it yourself. But I always just 266 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 2: wanted to do my own thing. And don't get me wrong, 267 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 2: there's days where I thought about, maybe I should go 268 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 2: look for a real job and if it's in a 269 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 2: four h one, k yes and a nine to five 270 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 2: and all of that, And you know, it is hard sometimes, 271 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: but you do again go back to how transactional that is, 272 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 2: and it just was never me. Like you said, you 273 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 2: kind of know that about me. But I love seeing 274 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 2: something that I'm excited about or that could work for 275 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: someone and then bringing it to life. So I'm going 276 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: to go make it happen. So whether it's an athlete 277 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 2: or a brand or being in the middle of that. 278 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 2: There's so many brands now right that want to get 279 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 2: in with athletes. Luxury brands, for example, Kendra Scott having 280 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 2: the New York Giants partnership. That's major. That's not really 281 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 2: something that you used to see in this capacity. Now 282 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 2: every team has creative directors. They're getting into that, right 283 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 2: Ronnie with the Knicks and Kith and what they're doing 284 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: in those special courts and collaborations. So those are things 285 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 2: that are just enhancing what the athletes are trying to 286 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: do in their personal brands. So it's very important, especially 287 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 2: with the younger guys when I'm working now with Duce 288 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 2: McBride and Jalen Sucks and those guys, for them to 289 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 2: understand that they are a brand and they can move 290 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 2: like a brand. You're not just going to practice and 291 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 2: then the game and then doing an interview for the 292 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 2: team and you're going home. It can be more than that, 293 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 2: depending on what they want to do and what they 294 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 2: like and what their interests are. There's just so much 295 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 2: out there. So for me to open that world, whether 296 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: it's the fashion thing that I love to do, because 297 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 2: who doesn't love to go to Paris or gaming, you know, 298 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 2: everything with two K and my friend Ronnie Tuk and 299 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 2: everything he's doing and every time he wanted to tap 300 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 2: in with someone that I'm close with in the league 301 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: and do something a little different. I just enjoy being 302 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: able to curate those things, show the athletes that you 303 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 2: can do this, this is an opportunity, you will get 304 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 2: paid for it. And then making that now after years 305 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 2: of like you said, doing things out of love and 306 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 2: build that really helped me build my relationships to now 307 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 2: we get paid and I have an agent and it's 308 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 2: a thing, right, because you have to learn how to 309 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 2: move in a as a business woman well. 310 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: And also what you do and what you offer has value. 311 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: And I think when you do it out of love 312 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: so purely, sometimes people might the wrong people might take 313 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: advantage of that. And so how was that moment when 314 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: you realize, Okay, this is something I need to monetize, 315 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: I need to charge and placing a value on something, 316 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: you know. I think that's something a lot of people 317 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: struggle with of how do I put a monetary value 318 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: on what I'm contributing here and how do I ask 319 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: for what I want and deserve in this situation. 320 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 2: So for me, it was enough people telling me that 321 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 2: I had to Yeah, So whether it was players, like 322 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 2: the first player I ever worked with was Mellow right, 323 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 2: so Carmelo Anthony and being in the gym with him 324 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 2: every day, and then people around that space said, hey, like, 325 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 2: you're doing so much for the players, whether it's making 326 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 2: sure they have private dinner reservations or they want to 327 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 2: go to shows during fashion week because all the guys 328 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 2: would come and play at that gym for fashion week. 329 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 2: Enough people telling you that you are bringing value and 330 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 2: you need to be paid for it, you're gonna believe 331 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 2: it at some point, because that syndrome that a lot 332 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 2: of us have when we're just big hearted and we 333 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 2: want to give all the time is I have to 334 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 2: get something back. So you kind of have to go 335 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 2: through the process of how do I charge? So I 336 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 2: talk to a lot of people I went to even 337 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 2: when I was doing the styling, right, like how much 338 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 2: do you charge per outfit? Or is it for the season, 339 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 2: or how many outfits do they? You know how to 340 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 2: structure those things. I think I just went to the 341 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 2: people I knew were doing that specific thing very well. 342 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 2: And thankfully I know amazing people who are very good 343 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 2: at what they do and learning through that. But again, 344 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 2: it's very hard, especially for creatives, I feel like, to 345 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 2: ask for money. It's not an easy thing, especially when 346 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 2: it's an athlete you've had a friendship with for three 347 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 2: four years and you've done all this stuff for free 348 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 2: or for you know, for the low, and then you 349 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 2: have to have that conversation of hey, in money case 350 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 2: you know, yeah, And it does and I've learned my lessons. 351 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, but I've never really had anyone 352 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 2: question my worth or make me feel lesser than which 353 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 2: which is good because everyone recognizes the value and the work. 354 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 2: So if you want to pay for it, great, I'm here. 355 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 2: If not, we can be friends, but you're gonna have 356 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 2: to go to someone else. There you go, and a 357 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 2: lot of times, you know, those things come back too, 358 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 2: because they realize once they go to a big name agency, 359 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 2: they don't know them like I know them, right, They 360 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,959 Speaker 2: don't have they just don't have the connections I have. 361 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 2: So once you realize what you're worth and what you 362 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 2: have in your bag, there's nobody can touch like, there's 363 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 2: no one that can touch that. So now I'm in 364 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 2: a place where instead of just giving, gim me giving, 365 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 2: I can say, hey, this is what I can do. 366 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 2: This is how it's going to enhance you and what 367 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 2: you have going on. Yeah, And I can kind of 368 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 2: pick and choose, which is nice. 369 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: I can I can find my spots. I can pick 370 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 1: what's worth it and not. And you know, you have 371 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: spent so much of your career lifting up the people 372 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: around you and that people that you've connected with, and 373 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: now you know, like you mentioned earlier, you're in an 374 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: era too where you're stepping into that spotlight as well. 375 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: And realizing like I also am a person to be 376 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 1: you know, promoted and propped up in this space. 377 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 2: How was that process for you? 378 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: Because I know when we first met you were very 379 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: much like I'm behind the scenes. I'm you know, paying 380 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: no attention to the to the vic behind the current. 381 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: And now you're stepping into your shine and I love 382 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: to see that. How was that transition for you? 383 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 2: It's hard, It was hard. No, it was easier than 384 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 2: I thought it would be. Yeah, after you do something 385 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 2: a few times and you kind of enjoy it, you 386 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 2: want to do more of it. It's just how it goes. 387 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 2: But realizing that you can just be yourself and people 388 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 2: want you there as you, it's very empowering, especially after 389 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 2: being that person of I just want to be behind 390 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 2: the scenes. So you know, even my agent when she 391 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 2: came to me a year ago and wanted to sign 392 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 2: me sign with DBA, and that was a moment of 393 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 2: her kind of explaining what she can do for me 394 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 2: and how she sees my trajectory moving forward as just 395 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 2: big as an entity was really cool because you don't 396 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 2: really necessarily think about yourself in that sense. Sometimes you need, 397 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 2: like I said earlier, someone else to tell you, and 398 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 2: I think it's it's very important to be receptive to that. 399 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 2: Right when you're just mostly everyone else's mom and you're 400 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 2: thinking about everyone else, Yeah, you're taking care of everyone else. 401 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 2: You're like, all right, let me let me take care 402 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 2: of me a little bit too. Yeah, And then you realize, 403 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 2: you know, you can get paid to do things and 404 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 2: and look good and be places because your value as 405 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 2: you in the space matters. People care for some reason 406 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 2: what I wear on the court, like we want to 407 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 2: see the full fit. 408 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: First of all, we've never seen this woman miss like always. 409 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, I have games where I'm just 410 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 2: like very very low key in there, but I always 411 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: write like people care and I truly enjoy putting it on, 412 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 2: so I'm gonna put it on. And also, if there 413 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 2: is a brand that wants to pay for certain things, 414 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 2: and I can work with them, but I never say 415 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 2: yes to just say yes just for the money. I 416 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 2: think that's very important to like I've said no to things, 417 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 2: or you know, I'll say yes if I have the 418 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 2: creative say And that's it's a very difficult kind of 419 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 2: line that you don't want to cross because you can 420 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 2: have the potential of doing that, but then the money 421 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 2: and the opportunities will come in and you're just kind 422 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 2: of like, okay, do I do all of this? And 423 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 2: then it's oversaturated and it doesn't seem authentic. Like you 424 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 2: said earlier, you have to be authentic to yourself. 425 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: And it's also you got to ask yourself if is 426 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: aligned with my personal brand? Is just like exactly who 427 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: I am and who I want to present myself to 428 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: be exactly? 429 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, And some things are just not gonna hate. Like 430 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 2: I know my following right it's mostly athletes, basketball fans, 431 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 2: fashion people, New York, LA, like those big cities, and 432 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 2: I know what they're expecting to see. So I'm not 433 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 2: going to come out and, you know, present something that 434 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,239 Speaker 2: I'm not right just for a check. So I think 435 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 2: that's also very important. So having someone like an agent 436 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 2: or a manager or somebody like that to kind of 437 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 2: help you navigate those spaces and then I don't have 438 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 2: to say no anymore and you can just say it. 439 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: For me and somebody else who can be kind of 440 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: like the decipherer for you. 441 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, all right, is this aligned or is this not? 442 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 2: What are you working on now that you're excited about 443 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 2: what I'm working on now. Well, we started we myself 444 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 2: and three other friends. We started an agency. It's called Downtown. 445 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 2: It's a creative consulting agency, and we have really cool 446 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 2: brands that we work with. But growing that is really exciting. 447 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 2: We have a studio in Manhattan where we you know, 448 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 2: kind of do the creative thing as well, and that's 449 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 2: been really fun. And that's a side that I really 450 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 2: don't showcase too much because that is the business, right, 451 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 2: But being able to kind of say I have a 452 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 2: team now, and we have a space, and we can 453 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 2: offer all these things that any agency would, and to 454 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 2: know that we can also execute in the best way 455 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 2: is really cool. It's not just me anymore. I can 456 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 2: kind of tap into that. So that's been really exciting. 457 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 2: Isn't it wild? 458 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: Sometimes you ever think like I just went from just 459 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 1: an avid basketball fan tweeting at my favorite basketball player 460 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: to now building a whole business enterprise. 461 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 2: I have a team now, Yeah, And it's pretty cool. 462 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 1: It's wild how life works and when you just kind 463 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 1: of lean in and follow that bath. 464 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, and still, like you know, people think I have 465 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 2: it all figured out. I don't. Every day is different, right, 466 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 2: And that's I think even yesterday, I met with a 467 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 2: new friend and she just started at a major basketball 468 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 2: talent agency, and she just kind of said she wants 469 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 2: to pick my brain, and she said, it's so hard 470 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 2: to with everything going on and all these new people 471 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 2: you have to meet to navigate that and it's so small. 472 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 2: But she's like, I see you doing all these things. 473 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 2: I'm like, there's not one day that I don't question myself, 474 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 2: you know, Yeah, and you have those moments where it's 475 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 2: kind of like, I don't know if I if this 476 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 2: is for me, or I don't know if I can 477 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 2: do this, and you just kind of have to like 478 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 2: the imposter syndrome, the imposter Yeah. Yeah, and a lot 479 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 2: of my friends in the industry, like we talk about 480 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 2: this all the time, and it's still hard for me 481 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,479 Speaker 2: to navigate through that, but it's something that we all 482 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 2: go through. So by no means do you look at 483 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 2: me and think she has it all figured out. I 484 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 2: have my days. Yeah, we all do. But every day 485 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 2: is different. So I think that's what's always gotten me through. 486 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 2: I'm not a person that can do the same thing 487 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 2: every day. But yeah, it's it's fun. It's fun to 488 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 2: be on the court and see all the love from 489 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 2: these Like sometimes I'm you know, at all star Like 490 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 2: I I'm just on the court and all these players 491 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,959 Speaker 2: are saying HI with something and this and that, and 492 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 2: I'm just like ten years ago, just the kid tweeting 493 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 2: Kobe Bryant, you know what I mean, Like I didn't 494 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 2: know anyone. Yeah, and just knowing that I have those 495 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 2: relationships and the friendships and some guys I'm closer to 496 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 2: than others obviously, but just the respect that I see 497 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 2: and that I get, now, it's it's all making it 498 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 2: worth it, if that makes sense. And for a lot 499 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 2: of the guys, you were with them shooting in the gym, 500 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 2: I was definitely rebounding. I was shooting. I was, you know, 501 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 2: getting the content. I was doing the thing. But that's 502 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 2: why I'm like, I really know you guys. Yeah, I 503 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 2: know you guys off the court, You're just there's just people. 504 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 2: They're people. They have feelings, they they go through things, 505 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 2: they get injured, you know, and then they have their 506 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 2: highs and they have their lows. And the second you 507 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 2: get to know an athlete, you understand that the lows 508 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 2: can be really low and the highs can be really high. 509 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 2: So just being there sometimes is all they need. Right. 510 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: Often people look at, whether it's athletes or influential peoples, 511 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 1: like the surface of who they are or the dollar 512 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: amount that they make, instead of realizing that, you know, 513 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 1: the highs and lows and the complexity of everyone's experience, 514 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 1: whether it's oh, we all have the imposter syndrome, we 515 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: all have our rough days, we all have the moments 516 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: where you know, we feel like we could be doing more, 517 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: could be doing better. No matter who you are, and 518 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: connecting so authentically to people and as you build them 519 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: up is really such a special gift of yours. 520 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you. I feel like we connected on 521 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 2: that a very long time ago, and it's been only 522 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 2: growing since, so I can't complain. But I think the 523 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 2: biggest thing for me was always trying to chase myself right, 524 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 2: because I would get something done and then immediately think 525 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 2: about what's next and how I can top that and 526 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 2: what I'm going to do tomorrow, and still learning how 527 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 2: to do this, but I think I've gotten better at 528 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 2: just realizing, hey, I just did that. That was really cool. 529 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: Me just sit on it for a second and then 530 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 2: I can think about what's next, And that's kind of 531 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 2: grounded me a little better because I feel like I 532 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,239 Speaker 2: was always when you're chasing yourself because you're like, how 533 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 2: are you gonna? That was awesome? Okay, let me know ya, 534 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,959 Speaker 2: how do we do better? It's not healthy? Yeah, And 535 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 2: I think I've just needed to ground myself a little 536 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 2: better because you know, if you were like, you're everywhere, 537 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 2: So once you realize and Carrie Champion said this to me, 538 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 2: she said, you know, sometimes you don't have to be everywhere. 539 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 2: And the second you get to that point where you 540 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 2: come into a room and it's like, oh wow, she's here, right, 541 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 2: and it's more of a moment, then you realize that 542 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 2: running around everywhere was one chapter and that was the 543 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 2: early on days where you needed to do that, and 544 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 2: now you don't. 545 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: Need to do that anymore, right, and now your presence 546 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: carries that weight. That is cool, Yeah, because there's only 547 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: so much. 548 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 2: Time in a day. Girl. Yeah, it's nice to be 549 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 2: able to feel like you don't have the folmo anymore. Yeah. 550 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 2: I like it's so I'm so good if I don't 551 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 2: go here, or I miss this just because I need 552 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 2: a day off, or I just mentally I can't be 553 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 2: around that right now, yeah. So yeah, it's empowering because 554 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 2: I used to always put myself kind of at the 555 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 2: back of it and be like, I have to go 556 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 2: and do this so I can see whoever talk to 557 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 2: this person or you know, this is going to help 558 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 2: me in the future. Yeah, sometimes it doesn't help if 559 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 2: you're not fully feeling well with yourself, or you're tired 560 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 2: or whatever it might be, it's better to just yeah, yeah, no, 561 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 2: I feel that too. 562 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: Sometimes if I'm like, I don't have a full battery today, 563 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: this isn't. 564 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 2: The version of me that needs to show up at that. 565 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 2: So you're better at that. 566 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: Then I feel like somewhere in between me and you. 567 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:56,719 Speaker 3: Is we're never We're never all the way there. No, 568 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 3: we're all just doing our best. But I'm so greatful. 569 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for taking the time to chat 570 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 3: out story. I know the same, and you have like 571 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 3: such a great unique path to where you come into 572 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 3: and what you've built for yourself, and so thank you 573 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 3: for sharing your story on your playbook. 574 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 2: You're the best. You're the best, Victoria Jacoby. 575 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: But you know ours count on vic follow her on 576 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: Twitter because that's what we're gonna call it. 577 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 2: For all of time. 578 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: Uh, Instagram, all of it. Thank you so much for 579 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: joining her playbook. 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