WEBVTT - Weirdhouse Cinema Rewind: Doctor X

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, welcome to Weird How Cinema. My name is Rob

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<v Speaker 1>Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick. And this is a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a rewind here because we are off for this week. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode originally aired on January and it's about the

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<v Speaker 1>movie dr X. Yeah, this one was. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of fun. This one was. It was a film

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<v Speaker 1>that I had never seen before. Was it was all

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<v Speaker 1>new to me and it is especially for what is this?

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<v Speaker 1>This is a very weird film. This is. This one's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of fun. So it's a great one to

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<v Speaker 1>feature once more as a rare Weird House Cinema rerun.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time to rub the synthetic flesh. Welcome to Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>to Blow your Mind production of My Heart Radio. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to Weird House Cinema. My name is Bob Lamb

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm Joe McCormick. And today I think we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be doing the chronologically earliest film that we've done

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<v Speaker 1>so far. Isn't that right? I believe so, So today

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna be talking about Dr X, a nineteen thirty

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<v Speaker 1>two American pre code horror film that that that shocked

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<v Speaker 1>my soul and conscience and I thought it was just

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<v Speaker 1>a fabulous ride. Yeah, yeah, this this one was a

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<v Speaker 1>pleasant surprise for me as well. I was only vaguely

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<v Speaker 1>aware of it. I'll get into into some of that

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<v Speaker 1>in a bit, but I was vaguely aware that it

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<v Speaker 1>existed new basically nothing about it. You suggested it. I

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<v Speaker 1>saw a couple of the people that were involved in it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just signed on side unseen and went in

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<v Speaker 1>without any spoilers or anything. Watched it this morning, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was fabulous. So while it it might seem to

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<v Speaker 1>start out as a rather traditional film, and it ends

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<v Speaker 1>fairly to traditionally as well, it gets just heavily weird

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle in a way that that really has

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<v Speaker 1>to be experienced. Yeah. Well, there's one scene in particular.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I would say that there is a like

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<v Speaker 1>five minute sequence in this movie that you should watch

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<v Speaker 1>the movie for, even if for nothing else. But there's

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<v Speaker 1>some other fun stuff in there as well. Uh and

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<v Speaker 1>and and we'll get into what that is later on.

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<v Speaker 1>But I thought at first we should talk for a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about the historical context of this era of movies.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is a pre code movie. You might have

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<v Speaker 1>heard that term in used by film historians. Before pre code,

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<v Speaker 1>and that that code there refer refers to something called

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<v Speaker 1>the Haze Code. So basically from about nineteen thirty four

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<v Speaker 1>until roughly the end of the nineteen fifties, I think

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes the movie Some Like It Hot in nineteen fifty

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<v Speaker 1>nine is is held out as sort of like the

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<v Speaker 1>demise of the Hayes Code era. But for this period,

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<v Speaker 1>from the mid thirties through the fifties, American film studios

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<v Speaker 1>sort of agreed to be o earned by censorship guidelines

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<v Speaker 1>that were known as the Hayes Code. So this prohibited

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of stuff that you might, you know, automatically

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<v Speaker 1>think of, of course obvious R rated content like nudity

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<v Speaker 1>and profanity, but it also banned content that was considered

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<v Speaker 1>objectionable to conservative social values. So that might be all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of um, you know, references to cannibalism and things.

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<v Speaker 1>You weren't supposed to have movies in which the audience

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<v Speaker 1>would be asked to sympathize with criminals or crime, which

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<v Speaker 1>is just a great guideline for complex moral cinema. Um

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<v Speaker 1>you you weren't supposed to have movies that ridiculed the

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<v Speaker 1>church or religion, or movies with interracial or same sex romance.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was a time before this code was implemented,

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<v Speaker 1>before it was started, before it started to be strictly

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<v Speaker 1>enforced in around nineteen thirty four, and that brief period

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<v Speaker 1>between the spread of talkies so movies was synchronized sound,

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<v Speaker 1>which was mainly in nineteen twenty nine, and then the

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<v Speaker 1>stricter enforcement of the code in nineteen thirty four, that

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<v Speaker 1>like five year period is known as the pre code

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<v Speaker 1>period in American film, and it's characterized by movies that

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<v Speaker 1>experimented with more controversial content of multiple kinds. So you

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<v Speaker 1>had salacious content in terms of sex and violence and crime,

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<v Speaker 1>the normal R rated kind of stuff that that shocks

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<v Speaker 1>the morals. But it was also I think it's worth

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<v Speaker 1>pointing out a period of uh, increased experimentation with progressive

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<v Speaker 1>social themes that would mostly fade from American movies in

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<v Speaker 1>the following decades, only to re emerge in the sixties.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that's an interesting parallel that in the

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<v Speaker 1>same time you see this brief early flowering of kind

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<v Speaker 1>of kind of like RACYR rated content, uh, you also

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<v Speaker 1>see things that we would we would later think are

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<v Speaker 1>like good social values that were prohibited at the time

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, and there they were sort of struck down

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<v Speaker 1>with the same stick in thirty four. Yeah. It's interesting

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<v Speaker 1>too when you think about film, the film output, the

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<v Speaker 1>cinematic output as an indicator of what the underlying culture

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<v Speaker 1>you knows there was, you know, because once you have

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<v Speaker 1>the code in place, Yeah, to a certain extent, the

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<v Speaker 1>code is a product of the culture. Uh. And therefore

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<v Speaker 1>you can see those films that come out of it

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<v Speaker 1>as a reflection of what the culture wanted to see

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<v Speaker 1>itself as. But it also means you have this inauthentic

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<v Speaker 1>view of what was actually going on in the zeitgeist

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<v Speaker 1>of the time. You know, let's go back when we

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<v Speaker 1>watch films from the nineteen fifties, American mainstream films from

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<v Speaker 1>the fifties, and you get this kind of vision that's like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh wow, it looks um looks pretty dry and um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know it's you know, it's it's it's pretty Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty square. Um, I don't know, it's it's very

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<v Speaker 1>sanitized in many respects. Well, people often harken back to

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<v Speaker 1>they say there was a time where movies were more innocent.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever heard that there was a more innocent

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<v Speaker 1>age in cinema, which I think is a horrible way

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<v Speaker 1>of putting it. I mean that that's not really what

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<v Speaker 1>it was. What you're saying is there was a time

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<v Speaker 1>when American movies were more censored, right, yeah, because I

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<v Speaker 1>mean and certainly when you look at films from the fifties, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's plenty of horrible stuff going on, like socially that's

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<v Speaker 1>reflected in those films. Uh. But but yeah, you have

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<v Speaker 1>this this code in place is preventing, uh, this racier

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<v Speaker 1>content from taking place, and it it kind of limits

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<v Speaker 1>the palette that artists of that time had to to use,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that that we're at their disposal to bring

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<v Speaker 1>their message across, be it a like a really highly

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<v Speaker 1>thought out artistic message or the B cinema message, which

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<v Speaker 1>I think, as we've discussed before a lot of times,

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<v Speaker 1>the cinema that is where the genre cinema, cinema, horror cinema,

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<v Speaker 1>science fiction cinema. That's sometimes the first place where some

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<v Speaker 1>of these cultural ideas are explored. Yeah, totally before they

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<v Speaker 1>reach the mainstream. Now, I don't wanna so we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be talking about this movie Doctor X, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>horror movie in the pre code era, and for that reason,

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<v Speaker 1>for it's it's time and place, it does feel very

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<v Speaker 1>weird and edgy and unlike movies, you know, horror movies

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<v Speaker 1>that would be put out by American studios a decade later.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels much more dangerous than that. But at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, I don't want to imply that this movie

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<v Speaker 1>particularly embodies any uh, any like at the time controversial

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<v Speaker 1>progressive social themes that I can think of. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think it really does. I mean, it's it's just like

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<v Speaker 1>a horror, murder mystery movie. But it does have this

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<v Speaker 1>this harder edge from being in that early thirties period

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<v Speaker 1>that I think serves it quite well. Yeah. Absolutely, It's

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<v Speaker 1>just got a darker, weirder, more dangerous sensibility than stuff

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<v Speaker 1>you would normally expect to see, uh from movies of

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<v Speaker 1>the thirties. So then again, I would say, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there are some that are in the postcode era that

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<v Speaker 1>that rival it in certain ways, like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>a Mad Love I think is sort of on the

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<v Speaker 1>on the same level. Yeah, but maybe we should give

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<v Speaker 1>the elevator pitch for this movie. Okay, So what's Doctor

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<v Speaker 1>X about? Okay, So imagine yourself at a medical academy

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<v Speaker 1>where absolutely every member of the faculty is a prime

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<v Speaker 1>suspect in the cannibalistic moon killer slangs like serial murders

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<v Speaker 1>that are taking a place at night during a full moon.

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<v Speaker 1>So we meet up with this character, doctor Xavier, Doctor Xavier,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get into the various pronunciations, um, and he's heading

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<v Speaker 1>up the academy. The police have come to him and

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<v Speaker 1>they say, hey, we think the killer is one of

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, and the doctor, doctor x here says, give

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<v Speaker 1>me forty eight hours. I'll find the killer myself, so

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<v Speaker 1>the police don't have to get involved and we don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to get a lot of bad pr for the academy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a pretty great set up. Maybe we should hit

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<v Speaker 1>that trailer audio. We are all under suspicion of murder.

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<v Speaker 1>What absurd, ridiculous, what inbecial thought that I'm Lee Taylor

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<v Speaker 1>of the Daily World. Then you did it me if

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<v Speaker 1>you included that heart of the story father in this

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<v Speaker 1>morning's paper. Don't be afraid tonight. Be sure you keep

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<v Speaker 1>your eyes closed and relax. I'm land ten bucks to

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<v Speaker 1>a dime, which another moon one of us, maybe a murderer,

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<v Speaker 1>A murderer who killed but the light of a full

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<v Speaker 1>moon leading his victim's body mutilated. Sounds good? Sounds good.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we may have buried one of the leads here,

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<v Speaker 1>which is that this seed nineteen thirty two horror movie

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<v Speaker 1>about cannibalistic murders and synthetic flesh, was directed by Michael Curtiz,

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<v Speaker 1>the director of Casablanca. That's a pretty odd fact. So um.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Curtiz was a Hungarian American film director who made

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the most well regarded movies of Hollywood's

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<v Speaker 1>Golden Age. He made The Adventures of Robin Hood in

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<v Speaker 1>ninety eight with Errol Flynn, of course, Casablanca, and forty

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<v Speaker 1>two Mildred Pierce in nineteen five. He did at least

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<v Speaker 1>one James Cagney crime movie. So we are not dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with a with a Roger Corman type here. This is

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<v Speaker 1>not a scrappy schlock production, you know, for for kids

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<v Speaker 1>at the drive in. This is one of the era's

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<v Speaker 1>most high profile and successful directors. But there are ways

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<v Speaker 1>in which Curtis I think was much like Corman. And

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<v Speaker 1>one of those ways is that Curtiz was prolific, ferociously productive,

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<v Speaker 1>and he put out a staggering volume of film work

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<v Speaker 1>of sort of mixed staying power. Some of it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>is considered classics movies like Casablanca. Other stuff is largely forgotten.

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<v Speaker 1>And he bounced all over genres. He directed musicals, western swashbucklers,

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<v Speaker 1>horror movies, biblical epics. Uh. And and another thing that's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting about him is that basically everybody who chronicles his

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<v Speaker 1>life points out that his personal habits took the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of staying busy to an almost fanatical extreme. Uh. There's

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<v Speaker 1>one example of this. Uh. It's a paragraph that I

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<v Speaker 1>came across when I was reading an article in The

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<v Speaker 1>l A Times by Kenneth Turin. That was a review

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<v Speaker 1>of a book called Michael Curtiz, A Life in Films

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<v Speaker 1>by Alan kay Road. And so turn writes the following.

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<v Speaker 1>Both on camera and off, Curtiz wanted things always to

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<v Speaker 1>be moving, hurdling cars and trains, and propulsive people figured

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<v Speaker 1>prominently in his films. Even the dark factory smoke in

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<v Speaker 1>the movie Female moves purposefully across the screen rather than

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<v Speaker 1>just evaporating lazily into thin air. Someone who is likely

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<v Speaker 1>easily bored and reportedly needed only four hours sleep. Curtiz

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<v Speaker 1>only wanted to be doing, doing, doing, which led to

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<v Speaker 1>difficult situations with his cast and crew. It's not just

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<v Speaker 1>that the director believed lunch breaks were for whimps. Road

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<v Speaker 1>notes that Curtiz is quote demonic work ethic, approached savagery,

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<v Speaker 1>and working conditions on his sets are said to have

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<v Speaker 1>been set are said to be one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 1>that the screen actors give old was formed. Oh wow,

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, just say, just a hyperactive filmmaker who just

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to be working all the time and perhaps just

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<v Speaker 1>did not understand that other human beings either could not

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<v Speaker 1>do that or did not want that as the defining

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<v Speaker 1>energy of their life. Yeah. There, there was a whole

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<v Speaker 1>other thing. I was reading about his war against lunch. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>he hated lunch. He thought lunch was a stupid waste

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<v Speaker 1>of time and that actors were lazy after lunch, and

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<v Speaker 1>so he encouraged people to skip lunch because then there

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<v Speaker 1>would be more productive in the afternoon. Uh. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds borderline pathological, you know. I have to say

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm I'm ultimately not super familiar with with his work.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw Casablanca once for a film class in college

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<v Speaker 1>and and and enjoyed it. You know, it's an important film.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've seen Overdrawn in the memory Bank so many

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<v Speaker 1>times and so many more times than Casablanca, that the

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<v Speaker 1>simulated Casablanca scenes, you know, or drawn are the ones

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<v Speaker 1>my mind goes to when I think of Casta Blanca,

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<v Speaker 1>I think of Rale Julia right as as um as Rick.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not Rick, it's Finger, Yes, yes, Fingle, I get Rick,

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<v Speaker 1>Rick and Finger are one in my mind. Wait, who's

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Laurie and Overdrawn in the memory bank? They have

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<v Speaker 1>some guy doing like a really really you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>stereotypical Peter louri impersonation. I don't remember miss anybody connected

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<v Speaker 1>to the plot roll. Julia was actually a good actor,

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<v Speaker 1>and I bet he could have done a good Peter

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<v Speaker 1>Lourie impression. Oh I bet, yeah, he could have played

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<v Speaker 1>every role in that film. But I mean, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>ral Julia is great in that film. He's great in everything.

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<v Speaker 1>But I would say curtis Is talent comes through and

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<v Speaker 1>doctor X. This is a This is a movie that

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<v Speaker 1>is busy. It moves, I mean, it's got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of action. It is it does not lag. Yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 1>not a lot of space to be bored in this

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<v Speaker 1>in this film. Um. Another thing about Curtis, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if you ran across this. This is an I

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<v Speaker 1>am dB facts, so I don't know to what extent

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<v Speaker 1>we can take this as absolute truth or do he's

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<v Speaker 1>a story about him. But supposedly he fell out of

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<v Speaker 1>a moving vehicle once because he had to he had

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<v Speaker 1>some idea that he had to jot down. He had

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<v Speaker 1>to write down on some notepad paper he was driving

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<v Speaker 1>the vehicle at the time. That sounds about right. So

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<v Speaker 1>another interesting thing about this This film is not interesting

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<v Speaker 1>because of the names attached to it, but for what

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<v Speaker 1>it it tells you about about the various storytelling mediums

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<v Speaker 1>of the time. Uh. This was based on a play

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<v Speaker 1>by Howard Warren Comstock and Alan C. Miller. So back

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<v Speaker 1>in the day when I guess you just had more

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<v Speaker 1>genre plays you could you could have a cannibalistic serial

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<v Speaker 1>killer play that one might view. Yeah, that's interesting. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>if one goes out to see a play, it's almost

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<v Speaker 1>certainly going to be of you know, either either a

0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.600
<v Speaker 1>classical plays like you know, Greek or Shakespeare or something,

0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.040
<v Speaker 1>or if it's a modern play a it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>character driven drama or it's a comedy. But yeah, we've

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<v Speaker 1>forgotten the early twentieth century like genre plays in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of like bloody gory horror productions for the stage were

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<v Speaker 1>extremely common, like the the Grand gen y'all in in Paris. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, in a way I missed this tradition,

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<v Speaker 1>like why don't high school theater groups do viciously bloody

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<v Speaker 1>Grand Gaen y'all. I'm sure you can still get those

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<v Speaker 1>scripts somewhere. They're probably even in the public domain. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and they'd probably be pretty fun to put on. You

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<v Speaker 1>get some kids to do the special effects, all the

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<v Speaker 1>eyeballs squirting out and stuff. I mean, that could be good. Yeah. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get into some of the players in this uh

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<v Speaker 1>this this picture. Okay, Well, you had an actor named

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<v Speaker 1>Lee Tracy in one of the main roles in the movie. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Lee Tracy is not one of He doesn't play any

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<v Speaker 1>of the scientists. Instead, he plays Lee Taylor, who is

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the the everyman anchor for the story. He

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<v Speaker 1>is a reporter for a newspaper are called The Daily World.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a streetwise, fast talking newspaper hack the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of sardonic crime reporter character who appeared in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of movies of this era and then would later be

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<v Speaker 1>sort of imitated or parodied for nostalgic recreations, like the

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<v Speaker 1>character of Alexander Knox and the Tim Burton Batman. Remember

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<v Speaker 1>that guy, Oh yes, yeah, yeah, played by an airless guy. Yeah,

0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Robert wool Yeah. He that that guy. I think is

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be a throwback to this stock character from

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<v Speaker 1>thirties and forties movies. Yeah, Like you know what, the instant,

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<v Speaker 1>the instant a character like this walks on the screen

0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:41.160
<v Speaker 1>because they're like, Hey, what you got there, partner? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna talk to you about this murder that's happening

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<v Speaker 1>all of it own. I am afraid to go out

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<v Speaker 1>of night because you know, it's it has this whole rhythm,

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<v Speaker 1>this cadence. It's an obvious trope. Um. I will say

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<v Speaker 1>that that Lee Tracy is is quite good in this role, though,

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<v Speaker 1>And and while it does contain all these elements of

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<v Speaker 1>the trope, it's SEMs to have some other fun quirks

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<v Speaker 1>added to it as well. So not only is he

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<v Speaker 1>this snappy newspaper man, but there's this whole thing where

0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:08.840
<v Speaker 1>he's a He seems to be a practical joke enthusiast

0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:12.680
<v Speaker 1>who often forgets that he's wearing one of these handshake buzzers,

0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:14.919
<v Speaker 1>you know, where he's like his wedding ring. He just

0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.800
<v Speaker 1>forgets it's on there. He just forgets his on and

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<v Speaker 1>and this gag actually works quite well in the picture

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<v Speaker 1>and plays into the plot a bit. So I applaud

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<v Speaker 1>that for making for making a trope that I'm instantly

0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:30.080
<v Speaker 1>not interested in actually entertaining. Yeah, yeah, I gotta hand

0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:32.840
<v Speaker 1>it to him for that as well. Um and Tracy,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he he is this role. I mean he's

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<v Speaker 1>it's just in his bones, you can tell. Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 1>I read that he apparently played a lot of snappy

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<v Speaker 1>newspaper men. There's an attributed quote I found on IMDb quote,

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<v Speaker 1>I should have quit playing newspaper men after three or

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<v Speaker 1>four parts in the movies, but the money kept coming

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<v Speaker 1>in and I liked it. He liked it. It almost

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like a line his character would say in dr CT. Yeah,

0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:58.720
<v Speaker 1>I should have done it in his voice, but I

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<v Speaker 1>even I can't do that voice too up. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>then the next major player, you've got his Lionel at Will,

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<v Speaker 1>who plays a doctor. Oh my god, so they pronounced

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<v Speaker 1>his name like five different ways in this movie. It

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<v Speaker 1>is like professor Charles Xavier. It's Xavier Xavier or Xavier

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<v Speaker 1>is how I think most Americans would say it today.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the movie they call him doctor Xavier. They

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<v Speaker 1>call him doctors Xavier. I don't know how many different

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<v Speaker 1>ways they say it. And then of course he is

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<v Speaker 1>the titular doctor x But then in a way, the

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<v Speaker 1>title also has another meaning which we'll get to, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is doctor x is in Doctor Unknown. Right. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>So Atwell is one of these actors who played a

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<v Speaker 1>ton of characters who are either inspectors or doctors. Uh.

0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:47.000
<v Speaker 1>In this he gets to play both. He's a doctor

0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:50.080
<v Speaker 1>who acts as an inspector, and sometimes he played villains

0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:52.960
<v Speaker 1>as well, such as the role of Moriarty and Sherlock

0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:56.199
<v Speaker 1>Holmes and The Secret Weapon from ninety three. And he

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<v Speaker 1>was also in a string of horror films in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirties. He he played the one inspector Krog in

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<v Speaker 1>Son of Frankenstein in nine, which I believe was It

0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:08.840
<v Speaker 1>was later parodied in um What is It? The mel

0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Brooks film Um Oh What? In Young Franken stuff. Yeah,

0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:15.840
<v Speaker 1>I believe they parody that roll little bit in there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but in this yes, he is. He is a doctor

0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:20.760
<v Speaker 1>who acts as an inspector, so he has a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of screen time. He's just constantly talking. Yeah, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>got a little bit slightly off brand Christopher Plumber vibes.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he's a little bit Christopher Plumber but slightly

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<v Speaker 1>less dashing. Yes. And then there's also he does have

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<v Speaker 1>this quality to where, um, you're not sure if you

0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:39.919
<v Speaker 1>can trust him or not either. Like a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the films, it centers around it who done it scenario,

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<v Speaker 1>And indeed you don't know what dr Xes deal is

0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:48.080
<v Speaker 1>as well. DR's a Views deal is. Yeah, it's great.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a cast of like seven different creeps who are

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<v Speaker 1>all testifying to each other's integrity. But they're all just

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<v Speaker 1>like the most ominous, menacing people you've ever seen. Yeah,

0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:01.440
<v Speaker 1>it's a real rogues gallery, this medical academy. We'll get

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<v Speaker 1>in like even without getting into the details of which

0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:07.920
<v Speaker 1>we'll get to, they all just look wonderful and grow

0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:10.760
<v Speaker 1>grotesque in their own ways. It's a wonderful We're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to list their name in the name of the actors,

0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:14.639
<v Speaker 1>because most of those names are probably not going to

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<v Speaker 1>really resonate with with listeners. They're worth looking up though,

0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:19.960
<v Speaker 1>if you're if you're curious, But yeah, they're like there's

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<v Speaker 1>so many scenes where you'll have like our leading Lady,

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<v Speaker 1>who are about to get to and she's talking like

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<v Speaker 1>a foot away or less with one of these characters,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like, the lighting between the two characters is

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<v Speaker 1>so distinct because of course she is illuminated and beautiful

0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:37.479
<v Speaker 1>like an angel. And then these various character actors are

0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:40.880
<v Speaker 1>illuminated in ways to like really bring out the rugged

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<v Speaker 1>definition of their face and all the lines and make

0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:48.440
<v Speaker 1>them look like hollow, gaunt, haunted skeletons. It's wonderful that

0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:50.600
<v Speaker 1>that's very well put. Well, we should get to the

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<v Speaker 1>leading Lady because she, I think, is without a doubt,

0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:56.040
<v Speaker 1>the most well known member of the cast here. It's

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<v Speaker 1>Fay Ray. Fay Ray plays Joan Xavier, the daughter I

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<v Speaker 1>think the daughter, Yeah, the daughter of doctor I wasn't

0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:09.960
<v Speaker 1>clear on that for about half the picture. The daughter yeah, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and and I mean got this Faye from King Kong,

0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:17.240
<v Speaker 1>that's right, one of the original scream queens. Um. Yeah,

0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:19.920
<v Speaker 1>she played and Darrow in the nineteen thirty three film

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<v Speaker 1>King Kong, so she hadn't like fully exploded like King

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<v Speaker 1>Kong was the film that really launched her into the

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<v Speaker 1>spotlight in a major way. But she had a very

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<v Speaker 1>long career, so she she was born in Canada but

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<v Speaker 1>raised in Hollywood, so she interacting in an early age,

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<v Speaker 1>at sixteen, I believe in the nineteen short Gasolene Love.

0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:42.760
<v Speaker 1>She acted in a hundred and twenty three titles up

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<v Speaker 1>through nineteen eighty and as first standout roles she was

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<v Speaker 1>in the Most Dangerous Game and um a standout role

0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:53.399
<v Speaker 1>for us anyway would also be Mystery of the Wax

0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:56.720
<v Speaker 1>Museum from nineteen thirty three, which which we've mentioned on

0:21:56.720 --> 0:21:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Stuff to Blow your Mind before. She was in The

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<v Speaker 1>Vampire Bat nineteen thirty three, and uh, yeah, she she

0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:06.359
<v Speaker 1>she's a legend there. You can't deny her. In fact,

0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:10.240
<v Speaker 1>she is mentioned twice in the lyrics to the Rocky

0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:14.120
<v Speaker 1>Horror Picture Show. Um, so there's the the whole Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a whole bit at the start of one of

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<v Speaker 1>the songs. Whatever happened to Fay Ray that delicate satin

0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:21.600
<v Speaker 1>draped frame as it clung to her thigh how I

0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:23.919
<v Speaker 1>started to cry because I wanted to be dressed just

0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:28.359
<v Speaker 1>the same. Does Dr Frankenfurter sing that, Yes, yeah, that's

0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:32.520
<v Speaker 1>one of the closing songs there. But she's also mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>in the lyrics to the opening number science Fiction Double Feature? Um,

0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:39.880
<v Speaker 1>as is this very movie? By the way, Dr X,

0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Dr X. There's of course, yeah where it goes science

0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:53.080
<v Speaker 1>fiction double Feature, Doctor X will build a creature. Very nice.

0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:57.159
<v Speaker 1>That's my riff raff. Uh So anyway, I like, you know,

0:22:57.240 --> 0:23:00.400
<v Speaker 1>Fay Ray Hollywood icon and Dr X in its own

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<v Speaker 1>way is um he's also part of the like the

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<v Speaker 1>legacy of of genre filmmaking here. So I've been hearing

0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:11.280
<v Speaker 1>Doctor X all this time, uh, watching and listening to

0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:13.560
<v Speaker 1>Rocky Hard Picture Show, and I never really looked up

0:23:13.600 --> 0:23:16.640
<v Speaker 1>what that was, but it's clearly a reference to this film.

0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:19.320
<v Speaker 1>It almost sounds like it could be just a stock

0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:21.359
<v Speaker 1>character reference, like it wouldn't have to be a real

0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:24.879
<v Speaker 1>character from something. Yeah, because it sounds it sounds like

0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:27.679
<v Speaker 1>a stock character Doctor X. You know, he's clearly a

0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:30.840
<v Speaker 1>mad scientist of some sort. Right right now, There's another

0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:33.520
<v Speaker 1>strange feature of this movie that I wanted to mention,

0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:36.720
<v Speaker 1>which is that this is nineteen thirty two, but the

0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:40.320
<v Speaker 1>movie is sort of in color. It was made via

0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:43.320
<v Speaker 1>a process that they were they were that they were

0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:47.280
<v Speaker 1>trying to get going at the time called two color Technicolor. Uh.

0:23:47.280 --> 0:23:50.240
<v Speaker 1>It's sort of a strange technical interlude in the history

0:23:50.280 --> 0:23:54.520
<v Speaker 1>of film. The movie is not exactly in full color.

0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:56.680
<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of hues that don't get captured.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not going to get accurate purples and blue s

0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:03.359
<v Speaker 1>and yellows and all that. But it's definitely not in

0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:06.280
<v Speaker 1>black and white. Though there was an alternate version of

0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:09.160
<v Speaker 1>the film that was shot in black and white. I've

0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:12.560
<v Speaker 1>read that it's almost identical in content except for some

0:24:12.640 --> 0:24:15.159
<v Speaker 1>minor changes to ad libs in the dialogue. But there

0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:18.000
<v Speaker 1>are two versions of this movie that were shot, one

0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:21.600
<v Speaker 1>for black and white projectors and one for the Technicolor version,

0:24:22.119 --> 0:24:24.520
<v Speaker 1>and this I think was the product of a deal

0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:28.840
<v Speaker 1>between Technicolor and Warner Brothers. Apparently Technicolor was not happy

0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:31.160
<v Speaker 1>with the fact that an alternate black and white version

0:24:31.160 --> 0:24:34.720
<v Speaker 1>of the film was produced. Um so it's kind of

0:24:34.720 --> 0:24:37.639
<v Speaker 1>hard to describe exactly how it looks, but it's sort

0:24:37.680 --> 0:24:41.640
<v Speaker 1>of in color. Certain types of colors and shades come

0:24:41.720 --> 0:24:46.760
<v Speaker 1>through the dominant ranges of the movie seemed to be

0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:49.760
<v Speaker 1>sort of like green and orange, and I think that's

0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:53.359
<v Speaker 1>because the two color process used two filters, one was

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<v Speaker 1>green and one was red. And I would say this

0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:58.359
<v Speaker 1>two color spectrum would not be a good fit for

0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:01.280
<v Speaker 1>every film, but if like it sort of works in

0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:04.600
<v Speaker 1>this one, it's kind of appropriate because it suggests this

0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:08.640
<v Speaker 1>diseased world of orange light that's kind of shining through

0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:11.359
<v Speaker 1>the glass of a beer bottle. But also with this

0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:15.440
<v Speaker 1>atmosphere of green fog, it works for dr X. Yeah.

0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:17.879
<v Speaker 1>It uh. It kind of has this dope theend vibe

0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:20.000
<v Speaker 1>to it, which is fitting because there is a quote

0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:23.159
<v Speaker 1>unquote dope fend at what point in this film, another

0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:26.320
<v Speaker 1>thing that you wouldn't get with the code. Yeah, so

0:25:26.640 --> 0:25:29.600
<v Speaker 1>I agree. I think it absolutely works here. If if

0:25:29.640 --> 0:25:31.920
<v Speaker 1>you run across a black and white copy of this film,

0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:34.359
<v Speaker 1>don't watch it, watch the technicolor one, because if black

0:25:34.400 --> 0:25:36.800
<v Speaker 1>and white is the spectrum of truth and art for

0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:40.760
<v Speaker 1>filmmaking of the time, then then it feels appropriate that

0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:45.439
<v Speaker 1>we have this alternate unreality of technicolor in this film. Plus,

0:25:45.440 --> 0:25:48.720
<v Speaker 1>there are elements of the flesh, of the synthetic flesh

0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:51.240
<v Speaker 1>that I think really pop well with the color, Like

0:25:51.280 --> 0:25:54.159
<v Speaker 1>I imagine they would have been equally creepy in some

0:25:54.280 --> 0:25:57.080
<v Speaker 1>respects in black and white. But the color, oh, it

0:25:57.119 --> 0:26:00.320
<v Speaker 1>really makes it work. I agree, and especially because such

0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:04.119
<v Speaker 1>an unnatural color schema. But by the way, if you

0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:07.000
<v Speaker 1>want more information on the two color process, the George

0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:10.160
<v Speaker 1>Eastman Museum has a video I found that you can

0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:13.280
<v Speaker 1>find it on YouTube that explains the technical details of

0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:17.000
<v Speaker 1>the process. And one of the things that video points

0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:20.320
<v Speaker 1>out is that the physical characteristics of the two color

0:26:20.400 --> 0:26:24.000
<v Speaker 1>film made it especially prone to scratching. And as soon

0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:26.240
<v Speaker 1>as I saw that, I was like, oh, yep, because

0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:29.359
<v Speaker 1>dr X, at least the version that I streamed is

0:26:29.440 --> 0:26:33.440
<v Speaker 1>full of scratches, long lines running vertically across the frame

0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:37.000
<v Speaker 1>for whole scenes. Yeah. Same here. I streamed it through iTunes,

0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:40.600
<v Speaker 1>I believe, and uh, the same situation. But but I

0:26:40.640 --> 0:26:42.520
<v Speaker 1>like it. I like seeing those flaws in it, you know,

0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:53.840
<v Speaker 1>especially for a film from this period. Totally. Okay, Well,

0:26:53.880 --> 0:26:56.080
<v Speaker 1>are you ready to get into the full plot breakdown?

0:26:56.520 --> 0:26:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Let's do it, alright, So we start with titling credits,

0:26:59.840 --> 0:27:03.760
<v Speaker 1>and then we we opened on a kind of seedy wharf.

0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:06.960
<v Speaker 1>There's a tug boat floating in the background, and a

0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:10.840
<v Speaker 1>policeman strolls by, whistling in the dark, and it's revealed

0:27:10.840 --> 0:27:12.399
<v Speaker 1>that we're out in front of a building with a

0:27:12.480 --> 0:27:16.240
<v Speaker 1>sign that reads the Mott Street Morgue. And then there's

0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 1>a man in a long coat and Fedora skulking around outside.

0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:22.560
<v Speaker 1>He's kind of hiding behind some barrels. He's smoking a

0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:25.080
<v Speaker 1>cigarette and then he looks up at the sky and

0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:28.000
<v Speaker 1>sees a full moon and I think burns himself with

0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:30.880
<v Speaker 1>his cigarette match and he says, are you bad luck?

0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:33.920
<v Speaker 1>I guess talking to the moon. And it turns out

0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:36.440
<v Speaker 1>that this is our our hero in a way. Lee

0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:40.600
<v Speaker 1>Taylor played by Lee Tracy, the crime reporter, and bad

0:27:40.680 --> 0:27:42.800
<v Speaker 1>luck is sort of his catchphrase. He says it like

0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:46.840
<v Speaker 1>eight times in the movie. And he is down here

0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:49.040
<v Speaker 1>at the Mott Street Morgue because he's trying to chase

0:27:49.119 --> 0:27:52.959
<v Speaker 1>down a grizzly lead. There have been a string of

0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:55.600
<v Speaker 1>horrifying murders in the city in recent months. I think

0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 1>it's supposed to be in New York City. I'm not

0:27:57.480 --> 0:28:01.159
<v Speaker 1>quite sure, but that was that the impression got. I

0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:03.480
<v Speaker 1>just got a sense of it being the city, you

0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:06.280
<v Speaker 1>know that the sort of eternal cinematic city that that

0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:10.040
<v Speaker 1>could be any major metropolis of the day. It's dark city, Yeah,

0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:14.960
<v Speaker 1>basically basically dark city. But so these murderers apparently all

0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:17.199
<v Speaker 1>take place on the night of the full moon, and

0:28:17.200 --> 0:28:20.600
<v Speaker 1>there's a full moon tonight. So while he's hanging out

0:28:20.600 --> 0:28:24.000
<v Speaker 1>outside the morgue, authorities are bringing a body in and

0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:27.320
<v Speaker 1>Taylor thinks it might be another victim of the dreaded

0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:31.760
<v Speaker 1>moon killer. Now there's an entourage that goes into the morgue,

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:33.680
<v Speaker 1>gets a bunch of cops, and then it's this one

0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:37.159
<v Speaker 1>guy in a coat with super silky fur lapels and

0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 1>I think that's Dr X that's going in there. But

0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:42.880
<v Speaker 1>it's funny because he's folding these fur lapels under his

0:28:42.960 --> 0:28:45.280
<v Speaker 1>chin while he's entering the building, and he looks like

0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Cruella de Ville. Yeah. They all have a very suspicious

0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:52.440
<v Speaker 1>villain as look to them. Yeah. So Taylor tries to

0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:54.160
<v Speaker 1>get into the morgue but they won't let him in,

0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:56.960
<v Speaker 1>and then he goes down the street, apparently to a brothel.

0:28:57.080 --> 0:28:59.440
<v Speaker 1>I think that's what that's supposed to be. Yeah, I think.

0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:02.160
<v Speaker 1>So where uses the telephone? He makes a phone call

0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:04.720
<v Speaker 1>to uh to the night desk of his paper, The

0:29:04.800 --> 0:29:07.520
<v Speaker 1>Daily World, and he's out here complaining. He's like, I

0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:10.080
<v Speaker 1>can't get any dope. And the guy at the night

0:29:10.120 --> 0:29:13.120
<v Speaker 1>desk is not very interested. And then he says to

0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:16.440
<v Speaker 1>the to the editor here, he goes, listen to your lunkhead,

0:29:16.520 --> 0:29:19.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm not clowning. Look out the window, will you. And

0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:21.360
<v Speaker 1>so the guy at the nightdesk looks out the window

0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:25.080
<v Speaker 1>and it's a full moon, and oh, I think. Then

0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:27.960
<v Speaker 1>he gets it. He thinks, oh, it may be another

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:31.040
<v Speaker 1>moon killer murder. And so the night desk editor is

0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:33.200
<v Speaker 1>impressed by this, and he's like, Okay, see what you

0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:36.600
<v Speaker 1>can dig up. And so then Lee Taylor goes around

0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:38.719
<v Speaker 1>trying to get some leads. He tries to chat up

0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:40.480
<v Speaker 1>a beat cop to see if he can get any

0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:44.280
<v Speaker 1>info and uh. In the course of their conversation, Taylor is,

0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:46.320
<v Speaker 1>as we said earlier, revealed to be kind of a

0:29:46.360 --> 0:29:49.640
<v Speaker 1>prankster because he's zapps the cop with a hand buzzer.

0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:54.040
<v Speaker 1>It's not a good idea, no, I mean, luckily, this

0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:56.640
<v Speaker 1>this cop is like the roundest um. This is the

0:29:56.640 --> 0:29:58.600
<v Speaker 1>softest copy you've ever seen in your life. In this

0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:04.480
<v Speaker 1>picture he's sweetheart. Yeah. Uh, and even he and after,

0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:07.520
<v Speaker 1>after they're chatting, he gives Taylor a cigar. He's like, here,

0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:09.640
<v Speaker 1>some guy gave me this. You know you you can

0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:12.080
<v Speaker 1>have it. And I think maybe Taylor asked him for

0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:13.959
<v Speaker 1>a smoke or something, but he gives him the smart

0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:16.640
<v Speaker 1>and then we got two inside the morgue and then

0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:19.840
<v Speaker 1>things start getting really interesting because here is an autopsy

0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:22.560
<v Speaker 1>scene and Rob, I know you love a good autopsy scene.

0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 1>I do, and yeah, this one kicks it off right.

0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:30.360
<v Speaker 1>So Dr Xavier. Dr Xavier is examining the victim's body

0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:33.120
<v Speaker 1>while the police detectives look on, and there's this great

0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:36.520
<v Speaker 1>shot of the doctor silhouette behind a raised shroud like

0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:38.600
<v Speaker 1>so they're lifting it up off the body and you

0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:41.560
<v Speaker 1>just see him as a shadow operating behind it, but

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:44.560
<v Speaker 1>with his reflector on top of his head and everything's

0:30:44.920 --> 0:30:46.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it looks kind of like horns or something.

0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:50.960
<v Speaker 1>And so the police asked him, what's your theory, doctor,

0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:56.240
<v Speaker 1>and he says it's strangulation by terrifically powerful hands. And

0:30:56.280 --> 0:30:58.040
<v Speaker 1>then they asked him about, well, what do you think

0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:02.200
<v Speaker 1>of this incision at the base of brain and Dr

0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:06.480
<v Speaker 1>x says, obviously made by some type of scalpel used

0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:10.360
<v Speaker 1>for brain dissecting. The word scal pell is said like

0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:14.560
<v Speaker 1>that multiple times, So that's already shocking, right strangulation and

0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 1>an incision at the base of the brain whatever that's

0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:20.600
<v Speaker 1>supposed to mean. But then you know, here we get

0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:24.320
<v Speaker 1>a but wait, there's more moment. The left del toyed

0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:28.400
<v Speaker 1>muscle is missing from the victim and one of the

0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:31.680
<v Speaker 1>cops asks, uh, it was torn right out and doctor

0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:37.080
<v Speaker 1>X says it wasn't torn gentlemen, this is cannibalism. I

0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:41.360
<v Speaker 1>don't know how can he tell that? Like, he doesn't

0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:43.200
<v Speaker 1>say that their teeth marks or that it looks like

0:31:43.240 --> 0:31:47.200
<v Speaker 1>he was chewed out. He doesn't go into detail and say, well,

0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:50.400
<v Speaker 1>this is a traditional like butchering cut or something like. No,

0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:54.200
<v Speaker 1>I just can tell this is cannibalism. And it's firmly

0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:57.560
<v Speaker 1>established and not questioned. It's the chuck portion of the human.

0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:01.920
<v Speaker 1>But so, okay, we established the Moon Killers m O

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:06.560
<v Speaker 1>strangulation by terrifically powerful hands, incision by scalpel at the

0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:10.920
<v Speaker 1>base of the brain, and then eating the victim's left shoulder. Uh.

0:32:10.960 --> 0:32:13.320
<v Speaker 1>And it makes me think this is a really overachieving

0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:16.240
<v Speaker 1>serial killer, like they're trying to get extra credit. Yeah,

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:18.440
<v Speaker 1>but he stands out. You know, it's like I'm instantly

0:32:18.520 --> 0:32:21.520
<v Speaker 1>I watched this and I hear this, and I think

0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:24.920
<v Speaker 1>to myself, well, I haven't come across this exact combination before.

0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:28.600
<v Speaker 1>We're in fresh territory with this picture. I agree. So

0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:30.880
<v Speaker 1>they say this is the sixth the murder in a row,

0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:34.400
<v Speaker 1>all committed during a full moon by means of strangulation

0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:38.520
<v Speaker 1>and incision with a strange surgical knife. So why is

0:32:38.560 --> 0:32:40.880
<v Speaker 1>the killer doing this? The police want to know, and

0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:45.000
<v Speaker 1>then Dr X gets into some brilliant speculation. He says

0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:48.280
<v Speaker 1>the killer is quote a neurotic, of course, some poor

0:32:48.320 --> 0:32:52.000
<v Speaker 1>devil suffering from a fixation, a not or kink tied

0:32:52.040 --> 0:32:55.959
<v Speaker 1>in the brain from some past experience. And then he

0:32:56.000 --> 0:32:58.760
<v Speaker 1>says that that about of madness comes on for the

0:32:58.840 --> 0:33:01.920
<v Speaker 1>killer whenever he's con fronted with a vivid reminder of

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:06.560
<v Speaker 1>the past. And the policeman is skeptical, but Doctor X insists.

0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:10.360
<v Speaker 1>He says, I tell you that locked in each human

0:33:10.440 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 1>skull is a little world all its own. And uh,

0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:16.840
<v Speaker 1>and so the police want to know, well, what's the reminder,

0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 1>what's the thing that's that's triggering the killer to do this,

0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:23.160
<v Speaker 1>and Dr X says, He says it could be anything,

0:33:23.200 --> 0:33:26.080
<v Speaker 1>the side of the sea, the full moon. Every time

0:33:26.080 --> 0:33:29.080
<v Speaker 1>he sees it, he's forced to relive the original moment

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:33.120
<v Speaker 1>that drove him mad. Now this is great too, because

0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:36.400
<v Speaker 1>we we learned that this is Doctor x is specialty,

0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:39.600
<v Speaker 1>this is his area of study, and so of course

0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:44.080
<v Speaker 1>this is tied into his um his hypothesis for the murders.

0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:46.640
<v Speaker 1>It's the same way. You know, if if Terence McKenna

0:33:46.720 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 1>had been called upon to and to uh to inspect

0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 1>these murders, he would have said, I believe it probably

0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:56.280
<v Speaker 1>had something to do with psychedelic mushrooms. Yep, yep, yep, yep.

0:33:57.200 --> 0:34:00.720
<v Speaker 1>Very good comparison. Um. So, anyway, Doctor X has given

0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:03.560
<v Speaker 1>his professional opinion. He's about to leave, but then the

0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:06.640
<v Speaker 1>police flipped the script on him. Turns out they were

0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:10.200
<v Speaker 1>sort of entrapping him here. All of the murders they

0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:13.840
<v Speaker 1>reveal have taken place just in the vicinity of his

0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:18.440
<v Speaker 1>medical academy. And what's more, the strange incisions made on

0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:21.640
<v Speaker 1>the victims at the base of the brain have been

0:34:21.680 --> 0:34:26.239
<v Speaker 1>traced to a special Austrian scalpel that is only in

0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:30.720
<v Speaker 1>the possession of Dr Xavier's facilities. So the medical supply

0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:33.719
<v Speaker 1>companies confirm that no one else in the country has

0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:36.200
<v Speaker 1>a knife Like this seems like it would be hard

0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:39.080
<v Speaker 1>to determine that, but that's what they say. And at first,

0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:44.080
<v Speaker 1>uh Dr Xavier is indignant and offended. He says, his

0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:48.160
<v Speaker 1>students and faculty are exclusively of the highest integrity. This

0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:53.239
<v Speaker 1>is impossible. Yeah, So so again, were we find out that, um,

0:34:53.800 --> 0:34:57.920
<v Speaker 1>the murderer is definitely somebody at the academy. Um. But

0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:00.480
<v Speaker 1>then as we begin to to meet the members of

0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:02.680
<v Speaker 1>the academy, we we will learn and we'll get into

0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:07.200
<v Speaker 1>details here. Everybody is highly suspect and has ties to

0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:11.400
<v Speaker 1>cannibalism or the study of cannibalism or some other elements.

0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:13.920
<v Speaker 1>So it's it's it's wonderfully put together, Like you can

0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:17.479
<v Speaker 1>imagine a spreadsheet and you're like, okay, everybody checks off

0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:21.360
<v Speaker 1>like two things on this list. There's no real standout

0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 1>candidate here. Yeah, it's like you imagine hiring at this

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:27.160
<v Speaker 1>medical academy. It involves like, you know, must have five

0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:32.799
<v Speaker 1>years of experience, must have eaten a human. But so,

0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:37.120
<v Speaker 1>uh Professor x offers a compromise. He says, look, don't

0:35:37.160 --> 0:35:40.919
<v Speaker 1>you investigate the people in my academy. Let me investigate

0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:45.080
<v Speaker 1>my academy in my own way, and the detectives want

0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 1>to know. Then they're like, well, how would you catch

0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:49.359
<v Speaker 1>the killer? And then I had to write down Dr

0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:52.040
<v Speaker 1>X's response because I thought it was great. He says,

0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:57.000
<v Speaker 1>by immediately studying the pathological reactions of every man placed

0:35:57.080 --> 0:36:01.000
<v Speaker 1>under suspicion, then trapped the guilt t one by a

0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:08.960
<v Speaker 1>brain examination. Science. Oh, there is so much science exclamation

0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:11.640
<v Speaker 1>point in this movie. There is. There is an awful

0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:18.240
<v Speaker 1>lot of uh, very funny, implausible technobabble and scientific words

0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:21.319
<v Speaker 1>being used in a context that makes no sense. Yeah.

0:36:21.360 --> 0:36:24.279
<v Speaker 1>If you watch this film, I advise you to not

0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:27.359
<v Speaker 1>try and think too hard about anything science that any

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:30.000
<v Speaker 1>characters say, because none of it really adds up. That

0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:31.600
<v Speaker 1>it will just hurt your brain if you try and

0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:35.320
<v Speaker 1>make sense of it. Yeah. Um so, anyway, the Dr

0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:38.239
<v Speaker 1>X and the detectives agree. You know, Dr X will

0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:41.239
<v Speaker 1>investigate the people in his academy on his own. There

0:36:41.239 --> 0:36:45.040
<v Speaker 1>will be no publicity, the press cannot know. And then

0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:48.040
<v Speaker 1>after they leave the room, one of the sheet draped

0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:51.120
<v Speaker 1>corpses in the morgue suddenly sits up is it someone

0:36:51.160 --> 0:36:54.360
<v Speaker 1>who has risen from the dead. No, it's old Lee Tailor,

0:36:54.400 --> 0:36:58.320
<v Speaker 1>the fast talking reporter. He's been snooping disguised as a cadaver.

0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:01.120
<v Speaker 1>He's even got a little tag on his toe. He's

0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:03.799
<v Speaker 1>just so scrappy he can't can't keep him away from

0:37:03.800 --> 0:37:06.880
<v Speaker 1>the story. Now, I have to say, I think this

0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 1>is all pretty fun set up, with the whole situation

0:37:09.600 --> 0:37:12.759
<v Speaker 1>where Xavier has given the chance to solve this internally

0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:17.040
<v Speaker 1>before the authorities move in. Because, weirdly, having just watched

0:37:17.040 --> 0:37:19.840
<v Speaker 1>the latest TV adaptation of the Name of the Rose,

0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:23.600
<v Speaker 1>this is essentially the same predicament that Brother William finds

0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:25.719
<v Speaker 1>himself in in the Name of the Rows, solve the

0:37:25.760 --> 0:37:29.720
<v Speaker 1>murders in the abbey internally before the papal inquisitor Bernardo

0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:32.680
<v Speaker 1>Goose shows up and makes a bigger to do out

0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:36.520
<v Speaker 1>of everything. Right now, I will say Dr X is

0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:40.400
<v Speaker 1>no William of Baskerville. But but he's I don't know,

0:37:40.440 --> 0:37:43.360
<v Speaker 1>he's a clever guy though. He see. If I have

0:37:43.520 --> 0:37:46.880
<v Speaker 1>any major criticism of Doctor X, it is the Doctor

0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:50.280
<v Speaker 1>X is far too trusting. I mean, just like every

0:37:50.440 --> 0:37:53.080
<v Speaker 1>like creep and weirdo he comes across, he's like that.

0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:56.440
<v Speaker 1>He couldn't possibly have done anything bad. Yes, he ate

0:37:56.520 --> 0:38:00.200
<v Speaker 1>human flesh once, not twice tops, but he's as good

0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:02.400
<v Speaker 1>heart I trust him completely, writes poetry and his spad

0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:05.000
<v Speaker 1>time for gospe. Yeah, that actually happens, So we'll get

0:38:05.000 --> 0:38:09.680
<v Speaker 1>to that. So so we follow Xavier and the detect

0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:12.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I keep saying in different ways, so I'll

0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:14.600
<v Speaker 1>just say Dr X the rest of the time. I'll

0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:16.960
<v Speaker 1>probably fail at that too. But we follow Dr X

0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:20.720
<v Speaker 1>and the detectives to his surgical academy and we begin

0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:23.359
<v Speaker 1>to meet the other characters. Now, first we meet Joe

0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Anne or Joan characters call her both names, and she

0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:31.759
<v Speaker 1>is Dr X's daughter. This is fay Ray here, but

0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:34.200
<v Speaker 1>she doesn't appear to be a suspect. So the police

0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:36.719
<v Speaker 1>are interested in in meeting some of the suspects, and

0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:40.040
<v Speaker 1>they want to interview these other faculty members. So first

0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:43.640
<v Speaker 1>up is Dr Wells, and it just happens to turn

0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:46.440
<v Speaker 1>out Dr X mentions, oh, well, he is a student

0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:50.840
<v Speaker 1>of cannibalism. He's written a book about cannibalism, and this

0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:53.319
<v Speaker 1>makes the attention of the police. And then when they

0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:56.600
<v Speaker 1>go to interview him, he's hunched over a lab table

0:38:57.000 --> 0:39:00.319
<v Speaker 1>with a jar containing a beating heart, and then he

0:39:00.360 --> 0:39:03.160
<v Speaker 1>claims that he has kept this hard alive for three

0:39:03.239 --> 0:39:07.200
<v Speaker 1>years through the power of electrolysis. I do not think

0:39:07.280 --> 0:39:09.440
<v Speaker 1>that is a correct use of the word whatever they

0:39:09.480 --> 0:39:12.400
<v Speaker 1>had in mind. I think electrolysis is the decomposition of

0:39:12.480 --> 0:39:16.279
<v Speaker 1>chemical compounds by the application of electric current. I'm not

0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:18.840
<v Speaker 1>sure how that would keep a heart alive. Yeah, again,

0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:22.200
<v Speaker 1>don't think too too much about anything science e that's

0:39:22.200 --> 0:39:25.280
<v Speaker 1>brought up in this film. Okay, I apologize. He's generally

0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:27.800
<v Speaker 1>said in a very nice British accent, so just accepted.

0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:32.560
<v Speaker 1>I gotta say in a weird way, like Dr Wells

0:39:32.640 --> 0:39:34.839
<v Speaker 1>has a has a creepy vibe, but he's also kind

0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:37.080
<v Speaker 1>of a hunk, Like he's got wild hair and a

0:39:37.120 --> 0:39:40.880
<v Speaker 1>five o'clock shadow and kind of a deep voice. Um.

0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:44.000
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if this is ever remarked upon. Again,

0:39:44.040 --> 0:39:46.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure what this meant. But there's a pair

0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:48.799
<v Speaker 1>of boots in the corner of the room that are

0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:51.680
<v Speaker 1>bubbling as if they have been dipped in toxic goop,

0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:54.680
<v Speaker 1>and the detectives just gonna look at them and notice them,

0:39:54.960 --> 0:40:00.040
<v Speaker 1>and then I don't they're on a radiator. Yeah, and

0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:02.600
<v Speaker 1>figure out. It's like, are there boots melting on the radiator?

0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:05.160
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't sure what was happening there. Yeah, I don't

0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:07.240
<v Speaker 1>think that ever came up again, or if it did,

0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:10.040
<v Speaker 1>I didn't notice it. But it looked nice. Yeah, it

0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:13.160
<v Speaker 1>looked nice. But anyway, it is soon revealed that Wells

0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:16.040
<v Speaker 1>could not possibly be the murderer because remember, the murderer

0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:20.400
<v Speaker 1>strangles with two ferociously powerful hands, and in fact, Wells

0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:23.200
<v Speaker 1>is an amputee and he wears a prosthetic left hand,

0:40:23.320 --> 0:40:27.160
<v Speaker 1>so he is not capable of having performed the murders.

0:40:27.200 --> 0:40:30.680
<v Speaker 1>So so the police exclude him at the beginning. Luckily, though,

0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:35.040
<v Speaker 1>there is an entire faculty of really suspicious characters to

0:40:35.280 --> 0:40:38.360
<v Speaker 1>turn to. Next. Right next, we meet this guy named Haynes.

0:40:38.520 --> 0:40:41.480
<v Speaker 1>The police want to know something about him, and so

0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:44.160
<v Speaker 1>they asked Dr X. Yeah, tell us about this Haynes guy,

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:47.240
<v Speaker 1>and Doctor X, I just have to reproduce this speech

0:40:47.640 --> 0:40:51.799
<v Speaker 1>he says. Dr Haynes and two other scientists were shipwrecked

0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:54.320
<v Speaker 1>off Tahiti about a year ago while making a study

0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:57.279
<v Speaker 1>of the coral reefs for the Killery Foundation. They were

0:40:57.320 --> 0:41:00.960
<v Speaker 1>a drift for twenty four days. Their supply eyes were exhausted.

0:41:01.040 --> 0:41:04.160
<v Speaker 1>When they were picked up, Haynes and one other were delirious.

0:41:04.360 --> 0:41:07.800
<v Speaker 1>The third had vanished. There was no explanation at the time.

0:41:08.160 --> 0:41:10.480
<v Speaker 1>Haynes later claimed at the time that the man had

0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:15.239
<v Speaker 1>died and had been thrown overboard. But so again, it's like,

0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:18.759
<v Speaker 1>it's as if this surgical college only hires people who

0:41:18.800 --> 0:41:24.000
<v Speaker 1>have been suspected of cannibalism. But but Dr X says,

0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:26.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, he's sure that Haynes cannot be the guilty

0:41:27.000 --> 0:41:31.080
<v Speaker 1>party because this is his reasoning. One the killer is

0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:34.120
<v Speaker 1>a maniac, and to Dr Haynes is one of the

0:41:34.200 --> 0:41:37.279
<v Speaker 1>most brilliant men in the medical world. So see, it's impossible.

0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:41.279
<v Speaker 1>So they go to meet Dr Haynes, who is experimenting

0:41:41.360 --> 0:41:44.480
<v Speaker 1>with new procedures in what he calls brain grafting. I

0:41:44.640 --> 0:41:46.359
<v Speaker 1>tried to look that up to see if that's really

0:41:46.360 --> 0:41:48.040
<v Speaker 1>a thing, and no, I think that would just mean

0:41:48.080 --> 0:41:53.000
<v Speaker 1>like a brain transplant, which has never been performed in humans. Uh,

0:41:53.000 --> 0:41:56.480
<v Speaker 1>And it sounds plenty suspicious, Like he definitely has his

0:41:56.480 --> 0:42:00.640
<v Speaker 1>his toes in the mad science, as as does Wells

0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:04.920
<v Speaker 1>with the beating heart. How would you characterize Haynes's personality,

0:42:04.960 --> 0:42:08.200
<v Speaker 1>I would say that he is, uh, he is paranoid,

0:42:08.400 --> 0:42:10.520
<v Speaker 1>like he is not pleased to have the police in

0:42:10.600 --> 0:42:13.640
<v Speaker 1>his lab. And while they're poking around, they find a

0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:16.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of I didn't couldn't tell exactly what it was.

0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:17.640
<v Speaker 1>It looks like they found a kind of risk A

0:42:17.760 --> 0:42:22.680
<v Speaker 1>magazine among his things. It's like ankles quarterly and in

0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:25.560
<v Speaker 1>the police's eyes that seemed to implicate him for some reason.

0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:28.719
<v Speaker 1>It's like, oh, this guy likes you know, Riskue magazines.

0:42:28.760 --> 0:42:33.239
<v Speaker 1>You know who else does moon killers? Okay, so another

0:42:33.280 --> 0:42:36.080
<v Speaker 1>strong candidate. But there are more. Yeah, and then we're

0:42:36.080 --> 0:42:38.400
<v Speaker 1>about to get to maybe my favorite guy in the movie.

0:42:38.520 --> 0:42:43.360
<v Speaker 1>So uh. Next up we meet Dr Rowitz and Dr Duke.

0:42:43.840 --> 0:42:47.360
<v Speaker 1>Now Roewitts is a tall, ominous man in a white

0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:50.160
<v Speaker 1>lab coat with what I first thought was an eye patch,

0:42:50.239 --> 0:42:52.160
<v Speaker 1>but actually I think it is more like a dark

0:42:52.239 --> 0:42:56.160
<v Speaker 1>tinted monocle. So it's like sunglasses, but only one side

0:42:56.200 --> 0:42:58.800
<v Speaker 1>of them. And he when they first made him, he

0:42:58.920 --> 0:43:02.239
<v Speaker 1>smoking a cigarette leaning over a globe. And we find

0:43:02.239 --> 0:43:05.080
<v Speaker 1>out that he studies the moon and is obsessed with

0:43:05.120 --> 0:43:08.960
<v Speaker 1>the effects of lunar rays on neurotic types. See it's

0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:11.600
<v Speaker 1>like a board game. This uh, this picture I love it.

0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:14.400
<v Speaker 1>How all of them have these just highly suspicious elements.

0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:17.480
<v Speaker 1>They're not just a little suspicious, They're all very suspicious. Yes,

0:43:17.600 --> 0:43:20.120
<v Speaker 1>And I gotta say Dr Rhetts is a god. I

0:43:20.239 --> 0:43:23.160
<v Speaker 1>love Dr Rhetts. He's like, I want to be buds

0:43:23.200 --> 0:43:25.640
<v Speaker 1>with him. Yeah, he's great. Uh though in a way

0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:28.560
<v Speaker 1>he's he's almost too suspicious. You like, you kind of

0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:31.440
<v Speaker 1>get the idea this couldn't possibly be the guy because

0:43:31.480 --> 0:43:35.040
<v Speaker 1>he has he picked far too many items out of

0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:40.040
<v Speaker 1>the villain accessory grab bag. Right, Yeah, I agree. But

0:43:40.080 --> 0:43:42.160
<v Speaker 1>then we meet the other guy. We meet Dr Duke,

0:43:42.280 --> 0:43:45.960
<v Speaker 1>who his main personality traits are that he is ornerary

0:43:46.000 --> 0:43:49.799
<v Speaker 1>and irascible. He just complains about everything. Uh. So he

0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:52.480
<v Speaker 1>comes he uses wheelchair and he comes into the lab

0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:56.400
<v Speaker 1>yelling at the detectives. They like ask him how he's doing,

0:43:56.520 --> 0:43:59.160
<v Speaker 1>and he yells at them for asking him how he's doing.

0:43:59.440 --> 0:44:02.640
<v Speaker 1>He's just all always mad about something. There are elements

0:44:02.680 --> 0:44:05.040
<v Speaker 1>of this character that reminds me of Dr Everett V.

0:44:05.120 --> 0:44:08.040
<v Speaker 1>Scott in The Rocky Horror Picture Show, So I would

0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:11.320
<v Speaker 1>not be surprised if there was a connection there. I

0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:14.640
<v Speaker 1>I have nothing to go on other than Dr X

0:44:14.760 --> 0:44:16.680
<v Speaker 1>is mentioned in the lyrics and therefore might have been

0:44:16.719 --> 0:44:19.680
<v Speaker 1>in the mind of Richard O'Brien when he wrote the thing.

0:44:20.080 --> 0:44:22.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, oh oh, And I almost forgot to mention

0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:26.200
<v Speaker 1>that we learned Dr Rowitts was also in the lifeboat

0:44:26.280 --> 0:44:29.440
<v Speaker 1>with Dr Haynes, so the two of them and the

0:44:29.640 --> 0:44:34.120
<v Speaker 1>third delicious man who disappeared and was quote thrown overboard.

0:44:35.040 --> 0:44:38.239
<v Speaker 1>Though that it's funny how it's like it's as if

0:44:38.280 --> 0:44:41.719
<v Speaker 1>the rowboat story only applies to Haynes and does not

0:44:41.880 --> 0:44:44.160
<v Speaker 1>apply to Rowetts. I'm not sure why, even though they

0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:46.600
<v Speaker 1>say he was the other guy in the boat. But

0:44:46.680 --> 0:44:50.399
<v Speaker 1>they start grilling Roe. It's about his moon research. And

0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:54.160
<v Speaker 1>Rowett says, if you suffer sunstroke, might you not suffer

0:44:54.239 --> 0:44:57.799
<v Speaker 1>some similar evil from the rays of the moon. And

0:44:57.840 --> 0:45:02.080
<v Speaker 1>the cops says moonstroke you mean um and Roe it says,

0:45:02.160 --> 0:45:04.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, the moon is powerful. It lifts billions of

0:45:04.920 --> 0:45:07.080
<v Speaker 1>tons of water twice a day. I guess he's talking

0:45:07.120 --> 0:45:10.360
<v Speaker 1>about the tides. And then he compares the water lifting

0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:13.919
<v Speaker 1>to what is done by an old scrub woman, which

0:45:13.960 --> 0:45:16.480
<v Speaker 1>is notable to the police because the last victim of

0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:19.399
<v Speaker 1>the moon killer was at the papers called her an

0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:22.719
<v Speaker 1>old scrub woman. I think the paper headline you see

0:45:22.800 --> 0:45:26.000
<v Speaker 1>is like old scrub woman killed by moon killer. It's

0:45:26.040 --> 0:45:29.760
<v Speaker 1>great that the script is just so well put together. Yeah,

0:45:29.880 --> 0:45:32.799
<v Speaker 1>now the police suspect Rowetts again like every new guy

0:45:32.880 --> 0:45:35.279
<v Speaker 1>they meet there like, oh, it's gotta be him. Uh.

0:45:35.320 --> 0:45:38.719
<v Speaker 1>They It's it's like that scene in um Murder on

0:45:38.800 --> 0:45:41.720
<v Speaker 1>the Orient Express where like every time they interview somebody,

0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:45.080
<v Speaker 1>the companions like that's the one they did it. But

0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:49.480
<v Speaker 1>so the cops are like that, but uh, Doctor X

0:45:49.600 --> 0:45:52.560
<v Speaker 1>is like, no, Roets can't be the murderer because here's

0:45:52.560 --> 0:45:55.560
<v Speaker 1>his reasoning here. He has a lovely nature and he's

0:45:55.600 --> 0:45:58.399
<v Speaker 1>the author of several volumes of poetry. I mean, who's

0:45:58.440 --> 0:46:01.640
<v Speaker 1>ever heard of a poet killing somebody? Yeah, that doesn't

0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:03.880
<v Speaker 1>seem very logical. So this is this is definitely an

0:46:03.880 --> 0:46:07.440
<v Speaker 1>area where he's falling below the Sherlock and brother William

0:46:07.520 --> 0:46:10.919
<v Speaker 1>the threshold, I would agree. So it looks like we've

0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:14.200
<v Speaker 1>met our suspects and the mystery investigation is afoot and

0:46:14.360 --> 0:46:17.439
<v Speaker 1>Dr X promises that he will complete this investigation within

0:46:17.520 --> 0:46:20.640
<v Speaker 1>forty eight hours. And then meanwhile you get some some

0:46:20.840 --> 0:46:25.000
<v Speaker 1>side story with Taylor the newspaperman and fay Ray meeting

0:46:25.080 --> 0:46:28.200
<v Speaker 1>up when she catches him snooping around on the fire

0:46:28.400 --> 0:46:32.319
<v Speaker 1>escape outside the medical academy. She confronts him and then

0:46:32.320 --> 0:46:35.600
<v Speaker 1>shoves a revolver in his belly. Uh. He tries to

0:46:35.640 --> 0:46:39.480
<v Speaker 1>get some facts out of her, but she rebuffs him. Uh.

0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Joe Nixavier clearly wants nothing to do with Mr Hot

0:46:42.600 --> 0:46:45.120
<v Speaker 1>Scoop Like he he thinks he's very cool and he

0:46:45.160 --> 0:46:47.720
<v Speaker 1>thinks he can sweet talk her, but she just wants

0:46:47.760 --> 0:46:49.960
<v Speaker 1>none of it. Right, And she's more concerned about her

0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:54.160
<v Speaker 1>father because he seems overworked. Right. Yes, she's concerned about

0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:56.279
<v Speaker 1>his health that she says several times. I think just

0:46:56.320 --> 0:46:59.719
<v Speaker 1>because like he never gets any rest. There's also I

0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:02.280
<v Speaker 1>guess we could just throw in a we meet more creeps.

0:47:02.280 --> 0:47:04.239
<v Speaker 1>The movie is just crawling with creeps. There's a scene

0:47:04.239 --> 0:47:07.600
<v Speaker 1>where we meet this guy named Otto who is Xavier's butler,

0:47:08.239 --> 0:47:12.239
<v Speaker 1>and he's just another one of these ominous weirdos to

0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:15.160
<v Speaker 1>round out the cast. Yeah, yeah, again, just a great

0:47:15.239 --> 0:47:17.879
<v Speaker 1>cast of character actors in this film. And so then

0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:20.960
<v Speaker 1>we get a scene that goes by pretty quickly, but

0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:23.720
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was pretty good. So Taylor the reporter

0:47:24.200 --> 0:47:26.200
<v Speaker 1>goes off to kind of kick Rocks in the alley

0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:28.719
<v Speaker 1>like he's upset because he's he can't get any good

0:47:28.800 --> 0:47:31.479
<v Speaker 1>leads and he's moping around about his failure to crack

0:47:31.560 --> 0:47:34.920
<v Speaker 1>the case. And then we get a very disturbing moment

0:47:34.920 --> 0:47:39.480
<v Speaker 1>of suspense because behind Taylor's back we see emerge a

0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:44.200
<v Speaker 1>grotesque figure in a hooded cape with a drooping, sagging,

0:47:44.280 --> 0:47:48.960
<v Speaker 1>almost melted sort of face, and it approaches Taylor from

0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:52.760
<v Speaker 1>behind to strangle him just as he's lighting a cigar,

0:47:53.120 --> 0:47:55.319
<v Speaker 1>the cigar that he received as a gift from the

0:47:55.600 --> 0:47:58.720
<v Speaker 1>from his cop friend earlier, And just as the creature

0:47:58.800 --> 0:48:01.560
<v Speaker 1>is about to grasp his neck, you get this pop

0:48:02.080 --> 0:48:04.920
<v Speaker 1>and it's a trick cigar. It explodes, scaring away the

0:48:04.920 --> 0:48:07.799
<v Speaker 1>moon Killer in the process, and Taylor never knows his

0:48:07.880 --> 0:48:10.560
<v Speaker 1>life was saved by a prank. Yeah, it's a great

0:48:10.600 --> 0:48:12.920
<v Speaker 1>little scene because it's suspenseful. It gives us our first

0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:18.200
<v Speaker 1>a very effective glimpse at the murderer, the monster in

0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:22.560
<v Speaker 1>this film. But then also it redeems that whole ridiculous

0:48:22.600 --> 0:48:26.240
<v Speaker 1>scene with the cop earlier. Again. This if at first glance,

0:48:26.560 --> 0:48:28.879
<v Speaker 1>this this script might seem kind of schlocky, but it's

0:48:28.920 --> 0:48:32.520
<v Speaker 1>so economical in the way everything ties together. Like everything

0:48:32.560 --> 0:48:36.360
<v Speaker 1>has a purpose. Yeah, it is very tight. So Taylor

0:48:36.440 --> 0:48:39.480
<v Speaker 1>keeps snooping. He goes by Xavier's house and meets a

0:48:39.480 --> 0:48:43.200
<v Speaker 1>gullible maid named Mamie who lets him inside, and he

0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:45.960
<v Speaker 1>tries to steal a photo of Dr X and a

0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:49.000
<v Speaker 1>photo of fay Rey, and she catches him in the

0:48:49.040 --> 0:48:51.960
<v Speaker 1>act and choose him out for writing a negative story

0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:55.239
<v Speaker 1>about them and throws him out of the house. And

0:48:55.280 --> 0:48:58.640
<v Speaker 1>then after this we get a shift. The action retreats

0:48:58.680 --> 0:49:02.560
<v Speaker 1>to a new location, so everything moves to Dr X's

0:49:02.680 --> 0:49:06.239
<v Speaker 1>country estate on Long Island, and he gathers all the

0:49:06.360 --> 0:49:10.520
<v Speaker 1>various creeps from the academy there and he informs them

0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:13.720
<v Speaker 1>that he has to perform an experiment to determine whether

0:49:13.760 --> 0:49:17.000
<v Speaker 1>any of them is guilty of murder. And I don't

0:49:17.040 --> 0:49:19.919
<v Speaker 1>recall it being established how he figures out to go here,

0:49:19.920 --> 0:49:22.480
<v Speaker 1>but Mr Hot Scoop also shows up. You know, our

0:49:22.520 --> 0:49:25.360
<v Speaker 1>our reporter hero finds his way out to the estate.

0:49:25.719 --> 0:49:28.400
<v Speaker 1>He climbs up a drain pipe and sort of breaks

0:49:28.440 --> 0:49:32.040
<v Speaker 1>into the house to continue snooping around and trespassing as

0:49:32.080 --> 0:49:35.200
<v Speaker 1>the plot develops, And and here there is a scene

0:49:36.440 --> 0:49:41.400
<v Speaker 1>where I think basically anybody will recognize the following sequence

0:49:41.520 --> 0:49:44.880
<v Speaker 1>that goes on with with the Reporter, because it's recreated

0:49:44.920 --> 0:49:48.040
<v Speaker 1>so many times in other movies and TV shows, where

0:49:48.040 --> 0:49:51.480
<v Speaker 1>a character is nervously sneaking around in the dark and

0:49:51.520 --> 0:49:55.200
<v Speaker 1>then is startled by a string of loud noises but

0:49:55.320 --> 0:49:58.520
<v Speaker 1>all caused by inanimate objects, like an ironing board falls

0:49:58.520 --> 0:50:02.239
<v Speaker 1>out of the wall, then a ku clock starts chiming uh,

0:50:02.280 --> 0:50:05.280
<v Speaker 1>and then Otto the butler walks by carrying a skeleton

0:50:05.440 --> 0:50:08.239
<v Speaker 1>for some reason. For the next ten minutes or so,

0:50:08.400 --> 0:50:12.280
<v Speaker 1>there is a lot of Lee Tracy making wise cracks

0:50:12.400 --> 0:50:18.000
<v Speaker 1>at inanimate objects, like telling a skeleton to cut it out. Well, yeah, yeah,

0:50:18.000 --> 0:50:20.480
<v Speaker 1>I gets very stoogey there for a minute. But anyway,

0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:22.640
<v Speaker 1>this is all working up to one of the big

0:50:22.719 --> 0:50:26.560
<v Speaker 1>set pieces of the film, which is Dr X's experiment

0:50:26.640 --> 0:50:30.680
<v Speaker 1>to determine who the killer is. I guess how how

0:50:30.719 --> 0:50:33.439
<v Speaker 1>would it be best to set this up and describe it? Well,

0:50:33.480 --> 0:50:37.359
<v Speaker 1>I would summarize by saying, this is basically sci fi Shakespeare.

0:50:37.560 --> 0:50:40.520
<v Speaker 1>This is Hamlet, this is the play is the thing, right,

0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:43.400
<v Speaker 1>because that's that's essentially what the whole scheme is. I'm

0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:45.880
<v Speaker 1>going to show something to them and then based on

0:50:45.920 --> 0:50:49.480
<v Speaker 1>their reactions I will know. Yeah, like if, like if

0:50:49.520 --> 0:50:52.600
<v Speaker 1>you were hooking the king up to an electrode and

0:50:52.640 --> 0:50:55.880
<v Speaker 1>a machine that would read his guilt as he watches

0:50:55.960 --> 0:50:59.040
<v Speaker 1>the play. Yeah, yeah, and if it were elaborate and

0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:03.719
<v Speaker 1>took some explain and had lots of tubes and liquids. Right.

0:51:03.719 --> 0:51:06.239
<v Speaker 1>So it's at this point it seems like the three

0:51:06.239 --> 0:51:10.160
<v Speaker 1>main suspects are Rowitts, Haynes, and Duke, and they are

0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:13.439
<v Speaker 1>strapped to electrical detectors that are supposed to measure their

0:51:13.520 --> 0:51:17.480
<v Speaker 1>heart rate maybe, and there is just some magnificent technobabble

0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:21.080
<v Speaker 1>about how the machine works. For some reason, it will

0:51:21.200 --> 0:51:27.040
<v Speaker 1>measure the person in the machine for a history of cannibalism.

0:51:27.120 --> 0:51:29.160
<v Speaker 1>And all three of them are going to go into

0:51:29.160 --> 0:51:32.319
<v Speaker 1>the They're gonna get hooked up to the machine, and uh,

0:51:32.880 --> 0:51:35.160
<v Speaker 1>since Dr Wells could not be the killer because he

0:51:35.200 --> 0:51:38.360
<v Speaker 1>does not have the two ferociously strong hands necessary for

0:51:38.400 --> 0:51:42.360
<v Speaker 1>the strangulation, he helps Doctor X administer the test on

0:51:42.400 --> 0:51:45.200
<v Speaker 1>the three others. And there's this great part where Dr

0:51:45.280 --> 0:51:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Duke complains about being able to see the moon through

0:51:48.080 --> 0:51:50.920
<v Speaker 1>the window. He's like, close the shutters, it's giving me

0:51:50.960 --> 0:51:55.360
<v Speaker 1>a shiver. And again, it's wonderful they keep the potential guilt.

0:51:55.480 --> 0:52:00.000
<v Speaker 1>That's a suspicion. Uh just leveled out among all the candidates. Yes, yeah,

0:52:00.280 --> 0:52:03.000
<v Speaker 1>uh well, and so they've got different attitudes. Like Dr

0:52:03.080 --> 0:52:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Duke is complaining just because he's always complaining. He's just

0:52:06.080 --> 0:52:09.799
<v Speaker 1>always mad about something. Dr Haynes again is quite paranoid.

0:52:09.880 --> 0:52:13.640
<v Speaker 1>He's very against the whole situation. He he just feels

0:52:13.680 --> 0:52:16.360
<v Speaker 1>you can tell, he feels his privacy is being invaded

0:52:16.440 --> 0:52:19.920
<v Speaker 1>and he's nervous about something. And he says, if you

0:52:19.960 --> 0:52:23.239
<v Speaker 1>ask me, doctors Xavier, that's how he says. At this time,

0:52:23.320 --> 0:52:27.840
<v Speaker 1>doctor Xavier is using very unethical methods. And then Rowetts,

0:52:27.920 --> 0:52:30.319
<v Speaker 1>who of everybody is the most on board with the

0:52:30.360 --> 0:52:35.919
<v Speaker 1>whole experiment, he just responds, necessity has no ethics. Yeah. Yeah,

0:52:35.960 --> 0:52:38.680
<v Speaker 1>he's straight up like, I celebrate the chance to prove

0:52:38.719 --> 0:52:42.279
<v Speaker 1>my innocence. Bring on the ridiculous mad science. Yeah, but

0:52:42.480 --> 0:52:44.000
<v Speaker 1>I think it's great because he might as well have

0:52:44.080 --> 0:52:48.839
<v Speaker 1>just said, like the ends justify the means. Yeah. Uh

0:52:48.880 --> 0:52:50.920
<v Speaker 1>so the stimulus for the test they're hooked up to

0:52:50.960 --> 0:52:53.799
<v Speaker 1>this machine is going to test them for cannibalism via

0:52:53.880 --> 0:52:58.480
<v Speaker 1>their heart rate, and uh the test, the stimulus for

0:52:58.480 --> 0:53:00.920
<v Speaker 1>the test is going to consist of them looking at

0:53:00.960 --> 0:53:05.040
<v Speaker 1>wax figures of the victims of the Moon Killer murders.

0:53:05.480 --> 0:53:08.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't recall them explaining how these wax figures were made,

0:53:08.960 --> 0:53:14.480
<v Speaker 1>where they came from, uh and beautifully created Agnesta conditioned them. Yes,

0:53:14.560 --> 0:53:17.480
<v Speaker 1>And I think it's also it's worth noting that, so

0:53:17.560 --> 0:53:21.560
<v Speaker 1>this was two. Michael Curtiz, the director, also directed a

0:53:21.600 --> 0:53:24.520
<v Speaker 1>wax horror movie right around the same time that came

0:53:24.520 --> 0:53:27.040
<v Speaker 1>out in thirty three. I wonder if he was double

0:53:27.080 --> 0:53:29.960
<v Speaker 1>dipping with the prop department. He may have. I haven't

0:53:30.000 --> 0:53:32.760
<v Speaker 1>seen Mystery of the Wax Museum from thirty three, but

0:53:32.760 --> 0:53:35.400
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, it was. He also directed that. It was

0:53:35.480 --> 0:53:38.000
<v Speaker 1>also into color technicolor. I think these were the two

0:53:38.040 --> 0:53:40.040
<v Speaker 1>of the last films that came out in that But

0:53:40.080 --> 0:53:43.359
<v Speaker 1>then it also starred at Well and Fay Ray. So

0:53:44.000 --> 0:53:46.400
<v Speaker 1>there you go. He was double dipping in multiple ways.

0:53:46.400 --> 0:53:49.920
<v Speaker 1>I guess. Interesting. Uh, So there's a re enactment of

0:53:50.000 --> 0:53:53.040
<v Speaker 1>the most recent murder. So after looking at the wax figurines,

0:53:53.040 --> 0:53:54.960
<v Speaker 1>there's gonna be a re enactment of the murder, and

0:53:55.000 --> 0:53:57.160
<v Speaker 1>it's going to be put on by Otto and Maymie,

0:53:57.200 --> 0:54:00.560
<v Speaker 1>the butler and the maid and this for for some reason,

0:54:00.600 --> 0:54:04.120
<v Speaker 1>should reveal who the killer is via the machine, And

0:54:04.239 --> 0:54:06.880
<v Speaker 1>just as the reenactment is about to reveal the killer,

0:54:07.040 --> 0:54:10.239
<v Speaker 1>suddenly everything we get the lights go out, you know,

0:54:10.239 --> 0:54:12.720
<v Speaker 1>there's like a power outage, and all hell breaks loose.

0:54:13.200 --> 0:54:15.799
<v Speaker 1>So a bunch of stuff happens while the lights are out.

0:54:16.400 --> 0:54:21.680
<v Speaker 1>Somebody's cannibalism detector device goes off, and then Dr X

0:54:22.120 --> 0:54:25.920
<v Speaker 1>reads it and declares it's Dr Rowetts. But there's a twist.

0:54:26.040 --> 0:54:29.360
<v Speaker 1>When the lights come up, Dr Rowetts is dead, so

0:54:29.520 --> 0:54:33.359
<v Speaker 1>Rohets has been murdered. And also suddenly Dr Duke can

0:54:33.440 --> 0:54:37.239
<v Speaker 1>walk again. He's up walking around and U and Dr

0:54:37.680 --> 0:54:41.279
<v Speaker 1>Haynes points him out and he's like faker, faker. And

0:54:41.320 --> 0:54:44.840
<v Speaker 1>then we we also find out Dr Wells, who was

0:54:44.880 --> 0:54:47.799
<v Speaker 1>helping administer the experiment, has been struck on the head

0:54:47.880 --> 0:54:50.080
<v Speaker 1>by somebody in the dark who called his name and

0:54:50.080 --> 0:54:53.799
<v Speaker 1>then hit him. And there's this part where fay Ray

0:54:54.400 --> 0:54:57.960
<v Speaker 1>quite rightly observes that this experiment was a disaster, and

0:54:58.000 --> 0:55:03.479
<v Speaker 1>then everybody's just like, na, chill out, calm down. Uh,

0:55:03.520 --> 0:55:05.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, they're basically just like, don't worry about it,

0:55:05.719 --> 0:55:08.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, you go get some rest. We'll deal with

0:55:07.840 --> 0:55:11.239
<v Speaker 1>this dead body and everything, um oh, and then other

0:55:11.560 --> 0:55:14.160
<v Speaker 1>like a bunch of stuff happens at once. So in

0:55:14.200 --> 0:55:17.560
<v Speaker 1>the while all this is happening, Taylor, who is hiding

0:55:17.600 --> 0:55:20.960
<v Speaker 1>out in the closet snooping around, he gets gassed, like

0:55:21.040 --> 0:55:24.239
<v Speaker 1>somebody pumps some smoke into the closet with him and

0:55:24.280 --> 0:55:26.880
<v Speaker 1>it knocks him unconscious and you don't know who did it.

0:55:26.920 --> 0:55:30.360
<v Speaker 1>And then they discover him unconscious in the closet, but

0:55:30.480 --> 0:55:32.600
<v Speaker 1>they decide to let him stay for the night at

0:55:32.640 --> 0:55:36.000
<v Speaker 1>the manner. I'm not sure why that is. But after

0:55:36.040 --> 0:55:40.120
<v Speaker 1>that follows some incredibly implausible flirting between Mr Hot Scoop

0:55:40.160 --> 0:55:43.960
<v Speaker 1>and and fay Ray. Suddenly she's just responding to his flirting,

0:55:43.960 --> 0:55:47.560
<v Speaker 1>whereas she hadn't been earlier. But anyway, everybody goes to bed,

0:55:47.640 --> 0:55:51.560
<v Speaker 1>and I did you notice, Like do they explicitly say,

0:55:51.640 --> 0:55:54.080
<v Speaker 1>like now we're not going to report Dr roetz Is

0:55:54.120 --> 0:55:56.440
<v Speaker 1>death to the police. It seems like they just decide

0:55:56.480 --> 0:55:59.680
<v Speaker 1>that they shouldn't do that. No, I mean yeah, I

0:55:59.680 --> 0:56:03.080
<v Speaker 1>think they decided we have to do a follow up experiment.

0:56:03.280 --> 0:56:06.719
<v Speaker 1>We can't stop now we're close, because I mean, it's

0:56:06.800 --> 0:56:10.560
<v Speaker 1>it's basically what happened is you know, you're like you said,

0:56:10.560 --> 0:56:14.200
<v Speaker 1>they're sort of testing to see who was stimulated the

0:56:14.239 --> 0:56:17.719
<v Speaker 1>most by these the stimuli they were presented with. But

0:56:17.719 --> 0:56:20.920
<v Speaker 1>then unfortunately, the individual who was stimulated the most, according

0:56:20.920 --> 0:56:23.680
<v Speaker 1>to the readings, is also now dead, was killed in

0:56:23.719 --> 0:56:25.960
<v Speaker 1>the dark, so it must be someone else. So that's

0:56:25.960 --> 0:56:30.680
<v Speaker 1>funny because that should indicate the fallibility of their experimental method, right,

0:56:31.280 --> 0:56:33.719
<v Speaker 1>Like if he wasn't the murderer and yet he was

0:56:33.760 --> 0:56:36.360
<v Speaker 1>the person that the test identified, that should show that

0:56:36.440 --> 0:56:41.200
<v Speaker 1>the test is not necessarily great. I agree, But yet

0:56:41.680 --> 0:56:44.120
<v Speaker 1>they persist to be you know, because ultimately he's thinking

0:56:44.120 --> 0:56:46.359
<v Speaker 1>about publication. You know, it's not about whether you catch

0:56:46.400 --> 0:56:49.480
<v Speaker 1>the murder, it's that you well document your attempts to

0:56:49.520 --> 0:56:53.359
<v Speaker 1>catch the murder. He's trying to get tenure. Yeah. Yeah. Oh.

0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:55.239
<v Speaker 1>And then also we just get the little tid that

0:56:55.480 --> 0:56:57.960
<v Speaker 1>later that night, like fay Ray's walking around and she

0:56:58.040 --> 0:57:00.919
<v Speaker 1>comes across her father examining row. It's his body under

0:57:00.920 --> 0:57:03.839
<v Speaker 1>a sheet in a room in the house. Uh. And

0:57:03.880 --> 0:57:07.560
<v Speaker 1>then we learned that his body has been cannibalized in

0:57:07.560 --> 0:57:09.520
<v Speaker 1>the middle of the night. Is somebody at the manner

0:57:09.560 --> 0:57:21.439
<v Speaker 1>here cannibalized him? Uh? So, but yes, as you say,

0:57:21.480 --> 0:57:23.600
<v Speaker 1>the murderer still has to be discovered, and this all

0:57:23.680 --> 0:57:27.000
<v Speaker 1>leads to the second test. Before that, there is a

0:57:27.080 --> 0:57:30.400
<v Speaker 1>scene of of hot Scoop and Fayray flirting some more.

0:57:30.480 --> 0:57:33.680
<v Speaker 1>They're down at the beach. They're talking about swimming. Uh.

0:57:33.720 --> 0:57:36.520
<v Speaker 1>There are some lines in this scene that are frankly hilarious.

0:57:36.560 --> 0:57:39.440
<v Speaker 1>There's a great part where he's like, listen, forget that

0:57:39.480 --> 0:57:45.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm a newspaperman. Uh. And I feel like here I'm

0:57:45.080 --> 0:57:47.360
<v Speaker 1>wondering if maybe we should sort of leave off in

0:57:47.440 --> 0:57:50.320
<v Speaker 1>describing the plot in too much detail after this, because

0:57:50.400 --> 0:57:53.720
<v Speaker 1>this is getting up to the climax, and I feel

0:57:53.720 --> 0:57:56.040
<v Speaker 1>like we should at least be a little bit circumspect.

0:57:56.120 --> 0:57:58.320
<v Speaker 1>But we don't want to spoil the mystery, do we? Though.

0:57:58.400 --> 0:58:00.760
<v Speaker 1>There's a thing that has holding up to that we

0:58:00.800 --> 0:58:03.240
<v Speaker 1>have to talk about because it's the best thing about

0:58:03.240 --> 0:58:05.920
<v Speaker 1>the movie. Yeah. I think we basically have to have

0:58:05.960 --> 0:58:08.840
<v Speaker 1>a werewolf break here in the in the episode, so

0:58:08.880 --> 0:58:12.080
<v Speaker 1>we have to say, Look, if you want to experience

0:58:12.080 --> 0:58:16.240
<v Speaker 1>experience the wonderful twist for yourself, and we recommend you do,

0:58:16.600 --> 0:58:19.040
<v Speaker 1>then you should stop listening to this episode. Now, go

0:58:19.120 --> 0:58:21.680
<v Speaker 1>out and at your leisure see the film for yourself.

0:58:22.000 --> 0:58:24.240
<v Speaker 1>And then come back and you can listen to us

0:58:24.400 --> 0:58:26.480
<v Speaker 1>talk about it, and then you can share your own

0:58:26.480 --> 0:58:30.080
<v Speaker 1>thoughts on it, etcetera. Okay, but if you're ready to

0:58:30.080 --> 0:58:33.680
<v Speaker 1>hear the end right now, uh, we absolutely must say

0:58:34.000 --> 0:58:38.400
<v Speaker 1>that the revelation of the killer's identity involves the real

0:58:38.480 --> 0:58:41.040
<v Speaker 1>star of this movie. And the best thing about it

0:58:41.240 --> 0:58:45.680
<v Speaker 1>a a god mode plot device called synthetic flesh that

0:58:45.760 --> 0:58:51.120
<v Speaker 1>even gets like it gets announced in a voiceover segment.

0:58:51.440 --> 0:58:53.520
<v Speaker 1>There's like a voice that is not spoken by a

0:58:53.600 --> 0:58:56.960
<v Speaker 1>character on screen. It just comes on the soundtrack saying

0:58:57.320 --> 0:59:02.960
<v Speaker 1>synthetic flesh. Yes, Yes, it's it's absolutely wonderful, and indeed

0:59:03.000 --> 0:59:06.160
<v Speaker 1>it's it's a fabulous plot twist, and it really I

0:59:06.200 --> 0:59:08.720
<v Speaker 1>really got me too, because I have to admit I

0:59:08.760 --> 0:59:11.920
<v Speaker 1>was convinced that Dr X had to be the villain.

0:59:12.360 --> 0:59:15.040
<v Speaker 1>He's secretly the villain the whole time, and he made

0:59:15.080 --> 0:59:17.160
<v Speaker 1>some sort of monster to do his bidding. And I

0:59:17.200 --> 0:59:20.360
<v Speaker 1>believe this because that's what Richard O'Brien told me in

0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:23.520
<v Speaker 1>the lyrics to Science Fiction Double Feature. He said Dr

0:59:23.760 --> 0:59:26.760
<v Speaker 1>X made a creature. So I'm thinking that that's it.

0:59:26.880 --> 0:59:29.160
<v Speaker 1>That's clearly where we're going with this. Why would Richard

0:59:29.200 --> 0:59:32.000
<v Speaker 1>O'Brien lie to me, right, Richard O'Brien wouldn't lie to you,

0:59:32.000 --> 0:59:33.720
<v Speaker 1>but maybe he had just it had been a while

0:59:33.760 --> 0:59:36.320
<v Speaker 1>since he'd seen it. It got a little bit fuzzy. Um.

0:59:37.280 --> 0:59:40.120
<v Speaker 1>There is almost a sort of creature creation, but no

0:59:40.440 --> 0:59:43.040
<v Speaker 1>one of the parties there at the house is the villain.

0:59:43.160 --> 0:59:46.120
<v Speaker 1>And it is revealed, uh in a great sequence where

0:59:46.240 --> 0:59:50.080
<v Speaker 1>so all of the suspects, including Dr X himself, are

0:59:50.240 --> 0:59:53.160
<v Speaker 1>handcuffed two chairs so that they can't like get up

0:59:53.160 --> 0:59:56.200
<v Speaker 1>and murder each other anymore. During the second test, Dr

0:59:56.240 --> 1:00:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Wells handcuffs Haynes, Duke and Doctor X to these these

1:00:01.440 --> 1:00:04.680
<v Speaker 1>chairs so they're held down, and then Dr Wells reveals

1:00:05.080 --> 1:00:07.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm the killer, and they're like, well, how could it

1:00:07.800 --> 1:00:12.400
<v Speaker 1>be you? And the answer is synthetic flesh, and we

1:00:12.600 --> 1:00:18.760
<v Speaker 1>get this amazing psychedelic body horror sequence where it's very

1:00:18.840 --> 1:00:21.160
<v Speaker 1>much um. I don't want to compare it too much

1:00:21.160 --> 1:00:22.800
<v Speaker 1>to this because this came later, but it's kind of

1:00:22.840 --> 1:00:28.080
<v Speaker 1>clay Face from Batman, where there is this putty that

1:00:28.360 --> 1:00:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Dr Wells applies to himself that I think is made

1:00:32.120 --> 1:00:36.320
<v Speaker 1>from the flesh of the people who he supposedly cannibalized.

1:00:36.880 --> 1:00:40.960
<v Speaker 1>And this this putty goes on his body and can

1:00:41.040 --> 1:00:46.000
<v Speaker 1>make new flesh and organs as he likes, smooths it on. Yeah,

1:00:46.080 --> 1:00:48.280
<v Speaker 1>it is fabulous. Another thing I would compare it to.

1:00:48.600 --> 1:00:51.200
<v Speaker 1>And again this is something that came later and I

1:00:51.240 --> 1:00:54.720
<v Speaker 1>think was probably influenced by Dr X and that is

1:00:55.040 --> 1:00:58.480
<v Speaker 1>Sam Raimi's Dark Man, because the main character in that,

1:00:58.520 --> 1:01:01.800
<v Speaker 1>played Belliam Neeson, is a scientist whose creak it created

1:01:02.000 --> 1:01:06.320
<v Speaker 1>synthetic skin, which he kind of, you know, puts on it. God,

1:01:06.360 --> 1:01:07.560
<v Speaker 1>I forget to be gobs it on or he just

1:01:07.640 --> 1:01:09.360
<v Speaker 1>kind of pulls it on like a mask. But at

1:01:09.360 --> 1:01:11.840
<v Speaker 1>any rate, it's some sort of a fleshy goo that

1:01:11.920 --> 1:01:15.040
<v Speaker 1>can transform his face into the face of another. But yeah,

1:01:15.080 --> 1:01:18.320
<v Speaker 1>the the essential premise here is that you can like

1:01:18.600 --> 1:01:22.600
<v Speaker 1>mold organs and skin out of this clay and just

1:01:22.720 --> 1:01:27.360
<v Speaker 1>smear it onto your body and then it becomes functioning tissue. Yeah.

1:01:27.400 --> 1:01:34.040
<v Speaker 1>So Wells in this fantastic, lengthy, uh mostly dialogue less scene,

1:01:34.120 --> 1:01:37.760
<v Speaker 1>he puts first, he puts on this synthetic flesh claw,

1:01:38.000 --> 1:01:41.760
<v Speaker 1>this great monstrous hand that he attaches uh to to

1:01:42.080 --> 1:01:45.800
<v Speaker 1>uh to to where he suffered his amputation. Uh. And

1:01:45.840 --> 1:01:48.400
<v Speaker 1>then he began he begins to gob this stuff onto

1:01:48.440 --> 1:01:52.040
<v Speaker 1>his face and it it is. It really turns the

1:01:52.080 --> 1:01:54.760
<v Speaker 1>weirdness in this film up to eleven. You have the strange,

1:01:54.800 --> 1:01:58.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, two tone technicolor effects going on, and it

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<v Speaker 1>really feels more in keeping with experimental cinema of later decades,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, at least from a modern filmgoing perspective. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no dialogue other than Well saying synthetic flesh a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of times. But as I said, he doesn't you

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<v Speaker 1>don't see his mouth moving when he says it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like he says it as if like it's in his head,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's a voiceover and it repeats, and so it

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<v Speaker 1>very much has the feeling of something that would be

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<v Speaker 1>sampled in a in a techno song or something. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking the same thing. Um, it feels like

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<v Speaker 1>something that would be sampled in a mix, and I

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<v Speaker 1>hope has been sampled in a mix. DJs, if you're listening,

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<v Speaker 1>sample this because it's wonderful. But also the background audio

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<v Speaker 1>for this whole scene is just kind of like mad

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<v Speaker 1>science e electros. And I was absolutely digging this as

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<v Speaker 1>I was watching and listening to it, because I think

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<v Speaker 1>in many ways it's an accidental or early electronic music score. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know maybe something it sounds like a little

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<v Speaker 1>post industrial, like something something like Nurse with Wound would

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<v Speaker 1>have created. Uh. In fact, I would love that if

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<v Speaker 1>we could actually just listen to a sample, an audio

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<v Speaker 1>sample from this scene so you can get a taste

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<v Speaker 1>for it. Synthetic flesh, synthetic flesh. I want that. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to pick up the single um just as a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a score trivia. Though credit for the first

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<v Speaker 1>electronic score generally goes to BB and Louis Baron for

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<v Speaker 1>their work on with a Magnetic Tape on nineteen six

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<v Speaker 1>film Forbidden Planet. UM. So this isn't an example of

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<v Speaker 1>an electronic score, but if it were an electronic score,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be way ahead of its time. I also

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<v Speaker 1>have to say that the that the quints where he's

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<v Speaker 1>smearing the synthetic flesh over his face and into his

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<v Speaker 1>hair and forming this noon face, this face of the

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<v Speaker 1>moon Killer, it reminds me a lot of the later

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<v Speaker 1>the current the modern performance art. A French artist, all

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<v Speaker 1>Oliver de Sagazin, who I mean, I meany of you

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<v Speaker 1>may have seen. There's one of his performances features into

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<v Speaker 1>the two thousand eleven films Sam Sara. But you can

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<v Speaker 1>also find clips of his work online. Just look for

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<v Speaker 1>Oliver this s A G A Z A N and

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<v Speaker 1>you'll see his see what he does. Basically, he sets

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<v Speaker 1>up in front of a camera and then he layers

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<v Speaker 1>paint and clay over his own face and does a

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<v Speaker 1>fair amount of like you know, performance art with it

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<v Speaker 1>to just transform himself into these various, uh I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of monstrosities. There's an unsettling nature to his work,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's wonderful. And in this film in dr X,

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<v Speaker 1>we kind of see a far earlier version of the

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<v Speaker 1>same performance art. Yeah, I mean it makes me wonder

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<v Speaker 1>what are the other great examples of of sort of

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<v Speaker 1>extreme makeup effects and film from the thirties. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know of any other movies from this era that that

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<v Speaker 1>have effects that look like this. I mean, I would

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<v Speaker 1>have thought, you know, makeup at the time was all

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<v Speaker 1>basically just like realistic accentuation of the face, not not

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of like horror movie makeup effects we associate

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<v Speaker 1>with movies of the seventies and eighties. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's impressive. Um, I'm I'm thinking trying to

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<v Speaker 1>like figure out what it like we can think about

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<v Speaker 1>what it's supposed to be. You know, it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like he's grabbing himself down with sci fi stem cells

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<v Speaker 1>or something, but um or you know, some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>flesh that instantly forges a connection with his own flesh.

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<v Speaker 1>But I imagine it's probably a twist on perceptions of

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<v Speaker 1>elaborate um uh special effects makeup of the day. You

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<v Speaker 1>know that the putty is like flesh, and then it

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be come the flesh, and within the context

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<v Speaker 1>of the film, I don't know, it's like he's got

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<v Speaker 1>this this you know, this big old jar stem cells

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<v Speaker 1>and he's just gobbing it on and sculpting his flesh

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<v Speaker 1>into the desired nightmare. But but I think also we

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<v Speaker 1>can find a possible connection here to sort the zeitgeist

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<v Speaker 1>of the time when you look back at the history

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<v Speaker 1>of plastic surgery, which to be clear, doesn't mean the

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<v Speaker 1>use of plastic in sculpting flesh, but the overall plasticity

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<v Speaker 1>of flesh that can be um utilized in reconstructive surgery.

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<v Speaker 1>So you look at some of the achievements that were

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<v Speaker 1>made even at that time and in you know, previous decades. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>they were pretty amazing, stuff like walking lengths of flesh

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<v Speaker 1>up to the face or down from the forehead in

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<v Speaker 1>order to slowly grafted inform it and to reform features

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<v Speaker 1>that were lost. Uh. Cartilage implantation is another example. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>If you look up images of say World War One

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<v Speaker 1>facial reconstruction, UH, you can see examples of this. Because

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<v Speaker 1>some of it is quite amazing. I mean it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it can be a little tough to take in, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's quite interesting. And remember this is two so

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<v Speaker 1>memories of the First World Wars injuries are still raw,

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<v Speaker 1>as are likely the photographs of the surgical reconstructions that

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<v Speaker 1>were possible. Um. There's even a great line from Wells

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<v Speaker 1>that I feel like reflects this, because as he's having

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<v Speaker 1>his like supervillain reveal speech, he says, yes, look at

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<v Speaker 1>it a real hand. It's alive. It's flesh, synthetic flesh.

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<v Speaker 1>For years, I've been searching to find the secret of

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<v Speaker 1>a living, manufactured flesh, and now I found it. You

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<v Speaker 1>think I went to Africa to study cannibalism. I went

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<v Speaker 1>there to get samples of the human flesh that the

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<v Speaker 1>natives e yes that's what I needed, living flesh from

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<v Speaker 1>humans from my experiments, What difference did it make if

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<v Speaker 1>a few people had to die their flesh taught me

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<v Speaker 1>how to manufacture arms, legs, faces that are human. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>make a cripple world hold again. So again, we at

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<v Speaker 1>a very like ends justify the means things like, look,

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<v Speaker 1>I've had to kill a lot of people, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to create amazing new surgical techniques by what I've

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<v Speaker 1>learned through doing so. Yeah, and I think, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>think about this film is coming out, you know, post

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<v Speaker 1>War War One and before World War Two, it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like it seems like that maybe what is lashing onto here?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's uh uh. And again this is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the territory, this is the area in which genre

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<v Speaker 1>filmmaking often works. I think this is probably also a

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<v Speaker 1>time where people were trying to figure out the limits

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<v Speaker 1>of what was ethical scientific experimentation. Like, there was probably

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of experimentation going on that we would today

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<v Speaker 1>regard as unethical in its nature, but was you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was not just people who were like I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to do evil. It was people who had this idea

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<v Speaker 1>of like, well, think of all the good that we

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<v Speaker 1>could accomplish exactly. Yeah, and and just you know, continuing

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<v Speaker 1>to to to roll with with what these technological change

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<v Speaker 1>is meant for humanity, you know, like suddenly we're able

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<v Speaker 1>to to wage war in ways that we were not

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<v Speaker 1>able to previously. I mean, one of the prime examples

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<v Speaker 1>from the First World War would of course be chemical weaponry,

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<v Speaker 1>and we have a brief scene of chemical weaponry in

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<v Speaker 1>this film is the newspaper Guy lee Is is gassed there.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. As for other ways this movie fits into

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<v Speaker 1>the history of science. There there's a thing that comes

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<v Speaker 1>up several times, which is UH forensic experimentation, like forensic biometrics,

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<v Speaker 1>basically using UH brain examination or heart rate monitoring or

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<v Speaker 1>things like that to determine the guilt of a person

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<v Speaker 1>in UH trying to solve a criminal case. If you

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<v Speaker 1>would like more information about the history of that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing, we did an episode I actually was Christian

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<v Speaker 1>and I did a couple of episodes several years ago

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<v Speaker 1>about the failures of forensic science that where we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about this big report that looked into the reliability of

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<v Speaker 1>forensic science. Is that are supposedly used to establish guilt

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<v Speaker 1>in the courtroom and how some of them are in

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<v Speaker 1>most cases pretty solid, you know, like DNA evidence and

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<v Speaker 1>all that, but a lot of them do not have

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<v Speaker 1>as solid a scientific basis as is often represented and

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<v Speaker 1>may very well be sort of just sort of stealing

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<v Speaker 1>the perimative, the imperimature of science as a concept, to

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<v Speaker 1>placed on some kind of weak evidence. Yeah, speaking of

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<v Speaker 1>weak evidence, I I do love that ultimately Dr X

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<v Speaker 1>was wrong, you know there in the film, he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm totally sure that the the the the Killer sees

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<v Speaker 1>the moon and it awakens these repressed feelings inside him,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is what I will look for, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is not what was happening at all. Like the Killer

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<v Speaker 1>was like Dr X. It was a researcher who was

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<v Speaker 1>fanatically dedicated to his own work and was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>end was willing to do whatever he could to further it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, in a way, it would have been

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to see where they would have gone with a

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<v Speaker 1>sequel to this film, right in that they could ask, well,

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<v Speaker 1>where does Doctor X go from there? He's been kind

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<v Speaker 1>of been proven wrong in a way. He's in a

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<v Speaker 1>similar place to where William of Baskerville is at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the Name of the Rose, where he realizes

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<v Speaker 1>that to a certain extent, his logic and his reason

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<v Speaker 1>has failed him. He wasn't able to actually prevent anything,

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<v Speaker 1>even as he was able to solve the mystery. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a good point. Well, I hope that the doctor

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<v Speaker 1>X has learned his lesson and will no longer say

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<v Speaker 1>that you can prove the guilt of someone suspected of

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<v Speaker 1>murder by using a machine. Yes, hopefully so. But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. He seems he seems rather stubborn and he's

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<v Speaker 1>already invested in all that gear. Yeah, so we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even say how it ends. I mean, so the other

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<v Speaker 1>thing is, after so Wells is going to kill Fay

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<v Speaker 1>Ray while they're all handcuffed to chairs. Then Lee the

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<v Speaker 1>reporter is like, hey, this guy had happened, And so

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<v Speaker 1>he comes out and does it. He gives him the

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<v Speaker 1>old fisticuffs and punches punches Wells in the face and

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<v Speaker 1>they fight, and then I think he kills him by

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<v Speaker 1>throwing a lamp on him, which sets him on fire.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, he suits him and hits him in the

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<v Speaker 1>face with a lamp and then kind of like tackles

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<v Speaker 1>him through a window. Oh, I think He also hits

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<v Speaker 1>him with his hand buzzard, doesn't he Possibly, Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>is looking at his hand buzzer after it happens, so

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<v Speaker 1>that may have played a role. It would make sense

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<v Speaker 1>because again the script is very economical, and then we

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<v Speaker 1>get a nice little spot of romance and that's the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the picture. That's it. Oh we get what

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<v Speaker 1>he by the way he like he calls his society

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<v Speaker 1>editor on the newspaper. He's like, hey, you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>might want to set aside some What does he say?

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, you might want to save some space for

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<v Speaker 1>for doctor Xavier to make an announcement about his about

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<v Speaker 1>his daughter. I guess implying that like that they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to have a wedding announcement or something. Yeah, so you

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<v Speaker 1>get your happy levy ending that The ending again is

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<v Speaker 1>very very mainstream and normal. The beginning is is fairly normal.

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<v Speaker 1>But man, this the middle of this film gets into

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<v Speaker 1>some serious weirdness and I love it. So you might

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<v Speaker 1>be wondering where can you get this film? Well, you

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<v Speaker 1>can rent or buy this one digitally most places, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>wherever you get digital films, you can rent it or

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<v Speaker 1>buy it. You can also pick it up on DVD

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<v Speaker 1>either as part of a two movie pack along with

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<v Speaker 1>the Yes, the Nine sequel. There is an actual sequel

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<v Speaker 1>to this. I doubt that it meets my expectations, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's called The Return of Doctor X, which start an

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<v Speaker 1>up and coming actor by the name of Humphrey Bogart. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen it, but we have brought it up

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<v Speaker 1>on the show before, just because I believe it has

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<v Speaker 1>a synthetic blood plot element. I think I've read that

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<v Speaker 1>it has little to do with this movie. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine it is. Uh it really carries on

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<v Speaker 1>the legacy well uh oh. You can also pick this

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<v Speaker 1>up in a big box set that also includes Mad

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<v Speaker 1>Love and a few other films, so that's worth looking

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<v Speaker 1>for as well. Man, imagine a Mad Love Doctor X

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<v Speaker 1>mash up, though that would have been so yeah. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>one thing I will say that these movies have in

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<v Speaker 1>common is that they're both I think, pretty great sci

1:13:57.040 --> 1:13:59.720
<v Speaker 1>fi horror movies for their time. Both are sort of

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<v Speaker 1>push over the edge into transcendence by one amazingly weird

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<v Speaker 1>scene towards the end. In this case, it's the synthetic

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<v Speaker 1>flesh scene. In Mad Love, it's the scene where he's

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<v Speaker 1>dressed up as or Lac in the brace with the

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<v Speaker 1>sunglasses and all that that that costume. Uh yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>Rolo costume. Yeah, oh yeah, sorry not or like the

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<v Speaker 1>Rolo costume. You're right, yes, Uh, those are like the

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<v Speaker 1>scenes that make the movies in both cases. But whereas

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<v Speaker 1>Mad Love has Peter Lori, I don't think this movie

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<v Speaker 1>has anybody of the Peter Lori caliber in it. No.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, it's it's got it's got a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of of of big names for the time we

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned you've got at Well and you've got Fay Raid.

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<v Speaker 1>But in terms of bringing the performance, like bringing something

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<v Speaker 1>performance wise that's memorably weird, Yeah, they don't really have it.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you've kind of sprinkles off it though with

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<v Speaker 1>the supporting cast. Yeah. Dr Roweitz, Yeah he's I mean

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't have enough screen time, but he's he's my hero. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well we're gonna go ahead and uh put

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<v Speaker 1>a scalpel in this one and scalpel it's done, scalpel

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<v Speaker 1>and and uh and call it done. Um, this has

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<v Speaker 1>been another episode of weird al cinema. We're putting out

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<v Speaker 1>weird how Cinema every Friday. Stuff to Blow Your Mind

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<v Speaker 1>midnight movie goodness. So let us know what you thought.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you feel about dr X? How do you

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<v Speaker 1>feel about the twists and the turns and that crazy

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